Path: szdc!super.zippo.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.urz.tu-dresden.de!rcs7.urz.tu-dresden.de!uroess From: uroess@rcs7.urz.tu-dresden.de (Ulrich Roessler) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel: A Prominent False Witness Date: 21 May 1997 17:16:23 GMT Organization: TU Dresden (URZ) Lines: 100 Message-ID: <5lval7$uf$1@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> References: <01bc63cf$7918a690$5aa2cdcd@odin> <5loi7b$kit@explorer2.clark.net> <33812219.5796@kaiwan.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rcs7.urz.tu-dresden.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: szdc alt.revisionism:105081 In article <33812219.5796@kaiwan.com> (Mon, 19 May 1997 21:01:29 -0700), Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com) wrote: : Charles Power wrote: : > "Anthony Sabatini"writes: : > >"Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses : > >to the alleged : > >Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no : > >mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed : > >Jews being burned : > >alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. : > : > This is an absurd assertion on the face of it. Please demonstrate that : > Wiesel's story has been dismissed by so many as five historians who have : > published in reputable peer-reviewed historical journals. : For a real taste of the absurd, you should read Night, by Wiesel. Are : you actually claiming that historians now believe that the Nazis tossed : people into huge flaming pits while the victims were still alive? Below, you can read a few testimonies asserting that at times living people were burnt in the incinerating pits ins Auschwitz. To my knowledge, the proceedings and findings of the Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt are considered valid sources by the historians. u.roessler uroess@Rcs7.urz.tu-dresden.de [Excerpts from: Hermann Langbein (ed.): Der Auschwitz-Prozess: eine Dokumentation. Frankfurt am Mein: Verlag Neue Kritik, 1995. ISBN 3-8015-0283-X (=Reprint of first edition, Europa-Verlag, Wien 1965.) i.e. witness testimonies in the Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt, Western Germany, 1961ff.] p.88: _Langbein_: Im Jahre 1944 wurden lebende Kinder in die grossen Feuer geworfen, die neben den Krematorien brannten. Wir hoerten das im Stammlager, und ich teilte es dem Standortarzt mit. Dr.Wirths wollte es mir nicht glauben. Er fuhr nach Birkenau hinaus, um nachzusehen. Als ich am naechsten Tag zum Diktat zum ihm kam, sagte er nur: "Das war ein Befehl vom Lagerkomman- danten Hoess. Er wurde gegeben, weil nicht mehr genug Gas da war." Seitdem glaubte mir Dr.Wirths alles, was ich ihm sagte. [_Langbein_: In 1944, living children were thrown into the big fires burning near the crematoria. We heard this in the _Stammlager_, and I reported it to the chief surgeon of the camps. Dr.Wirths didn't want to believe me. He went out to Birkenau to check it out. When I came to take dictation from him the next day, he only said:"This was an order of the camp-commander Hoess. It was issued, because there wasn't enough gas." After that, Dr.Wirths believed all, I told him. [Langbein was an Austrian political prisoner in Auschwitz, who was "privileged" and working as a secretary for the above mentioned SS-surgeon, Dr.Wirths. Langbein later became one of the historians of the concentration camps.] p.80f _Fuks_: Einmal, es duerfte vielleicht im November 1943 gewesen sein, kam ein Transport aus Lettland an. Unser Kommando hatte bei den kam ein Transport aus Lettland an. Unser Kommando hatte bei den Transporten dabei zu sein, um die Effekten der Angekommenen aus den Waggons zu holen. Schon beim Einrollen der Waggons stank der Transport entsetzlich. Das war so schlimm, dass der Lagerarzt Dr. Mengele, der auf der Rampe stand, die SS sofort zurueckziehen liess. Als wir die Waggontueren oeffneten, sahen wir gleich: Alle waren wie Leichen. Sprechen konnte keiner mehr, aber einige atemeten noch. Alle wurden sofort auf Lastwagen verladen und in die Verbrennungsgruben geschuettet. Man hat sie vorher nicht einmal mehr vergast. _Vorsitzender_: Lebten aus diesem Transport nocht einige, als sie in die Gruben geworfen wurden? _Fuks_: Ja, einige lebten noch. [_Fuks_: Once, this would perhaps have taken place in November 1943, a transport arrived from Latvia. Our command had to assist at transports, in order to fetch the personal effects of the arrivals from the wagons. Already, when the wagons rolled in, the transport stank horribly. It was so awful, that the camp-doctor Dr.Mengele, who was standing on the ramp, allowed the SS to withdraw at once. When we opened the doors to the wagons, we saw at once: all resembled corpses. Nobody could speak anymore, but some were still breathing. All were put on lorries, and thrown into the burning pits. They weren't even gassed first. _Presiding Judge_: Were some of the transport still alive, when they were thrown into the pits? _Fuks_: Yes, some were still alive. ]
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