Archive/File: orgs/american/oregon/banished.cpu gannon.answers Last-Modified: 1994/03/16 Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [1/9] Message-ID: <9403160137.A4503wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:37:11 Lines: 190 kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes: >Dan Gannon: > >You have been asked, dozens of times, to answer the ten specific >questions which follow, in order to provide rational debate in this open >forum. To date, you have failed to answer them - even one of them. I asked you to have patience. My busy life does not revolve around you and your demands. You have somehow failed to notice -- even after I have repeatedly pointed it out to you -- that I have already answered many of these questions in messages which I have posted previously. When you say I have "failed to answer...even one of them", you are lying. As usual. Because of the deliberate lies and venomous name-calling which you constantly engage in against me, I long ago decided not to waste my time trying to converse with you. Judging by your behavior, you are definitely not worth my time. I have answered these 10 questions because of the great opportunity it provided me to refute your strongest "evidence" for all to see. Aside from that, you and your "Holocaust" propaganda "buddies" seemed very eager for the answers. I'm sure you will all be quite happy now. Below are your ten questions, with my answers following each of them: ___________________________________________________________________________ 1) Why do some of the authorizations for travel between Auschwitz and Dessau describe the Zyklon-B as "material for resettlement of Jews" and "material for special treatment"? Both are common codewords for killing, as demonstrated by many original documents. Why not just "material for delousing", "material for disinfection" etc? Note, for instance, the use of the expression "special treatment" in the following document: Memorandum of Gestapo Headquarters, 15 June 1944 [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. IV, p. 1166] ------------------------------------------------------------------ In amending my directive of June 20 1944, I request that those people subject to special treatment be sent to a crematorium to be cremated if possible. ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #1: First, who was the author of the "Memorandum of Gestapo Headquarters, 15 June 1944" which you cite? Is the original available, or just the typical unsigned, typewritten "copy"? What was the context surrounding the document...? "Special treatment" ("Sonderbehandlung") was not a "code word" and did not automatically mean "killing". It meant a whole range of things, depending on the context. Below is an example, taken from _Not Guilty at Nuremberg: The German Defense Case_, by Carlos Whitlock Porter: "Sonderbehandlung" (special treatment) is an example of the ugly jargon used in all bureaucracies, and is probably best translated as "treatment on a case by case basis". Kaltenbrunner was able to show that it meant, in the context of one document, the right to drink champagne and take French lessons. The prosecution got a winter resort mixed up with a concentration camp (XI 338-339); (XI 232-386; XVIII 40-68). (The winter resort document is Document 3839-PS, XXXIII 197-199, an "affidavit"). More examples of meanings for "special treatment" ("Sonderbehandlung"): ----- In the meantime, on August 26 and October 2, 1942, two other documents of the same sort speak of "material for special treatment" and "material for the transport of the Jews." There Pressac sees proof that, BOTH TIMES, what is meant is gas for KILLING the Jews! This is no proof at all. As the general context (three other texts of the same sort) demonstrates, the gas was for disinfecting clothing or rooms on account of the arrival of the Jews who had been deported. The term "special treatment" (Sonderbehandlung) here designates transport (Transportierung) of the Jews (_Reponse a Vidal-Naquet_, op. cit., p. 24). The more people arrived at Auschwitz, which functioned as a turntable for redistributing a large number of deportees to other camps after a quarantine period, the more necessary was Zyklon-B. [From "Improvised Gas Chambers & Casual Gassings at Auschwitz & Birkenau, According to J.-C. Pressac (1989) -- Part I", by Robert Faurisson. Printed in _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 1 (Spring 1991).] ----- The reality was the following: Sonderbehandlung could have a whole series of meanings, from the most serious to the most benign. The context should instruct the reader. The primary meaning seems to be medical, and one will find, for example: "Sonderbehandlung: Quarantanelager (quarantine camp)." On the other hand, in document PS-502, the same word means explicitly "executions." Sonderbehandlung was also applied to the favored treatment enjoyed in captivity by high officials. See what defendant Kaltenbrunner says about it at the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg (French edition, Volume XI, pp. 347-348): In those two deluxe hotels [for special treatment] were lodged some of the best people such as M. Poncet, M. Herriot, etc. They received rations triple those normal for a diplomat; that is to say, nine times the wartime rations of a German. Every day each received a bottle of champagne; they corresponded freely with their families, they could receive parcels from their families left behind in France. These internees received frequent visits, and we would inquire about all their desires. That is what we called "SPECIAL TREATMENT." Arrivals and departures were noted in the reports of the daily population of each camp. Among the departures might be noted the dead, the "S.B." (Sonderbehandlung), the freed (people forget that many of the concentration-camp inmates could leave Auschwitz after completing a sentence of several months), and those transferred. They would have us believe that the "S.B." were those condemned to "gassing." There were, however, "S.B." in the camps that had no gas chambers, even according to the Exterminationists. These "S.B." must have been, in all probability, internees assigned to other camps for some reason (Bergen-Belsen for health; Bergen-Belsen for categories of Jews to be exchanged with the Allies; Ravensbruck for women; Dachau for priests; Theresienstadt for old people, etc.). The "transferred" category, properly speaking, was made up of people assigned to a particular job either in the camp, or in a distant camp. [From "Response to a Paper Historian", by Robert Faurisson. English translation printed in _The Journal of Historical Review_, Volume 7, Number 1 (Spring 1986).] ----- As for "material for resettlement of Jews", Zyklon-B was used for the delousing of clothing and such, which was to preserve the health of the inmates in the face of lethal Typhus epidemics. The Nazi government's policy was to resettle the Jews to a territory of their own (Madagascar and Palestine were considered). It was referred to as the "final solution", or the "final solution to the Jewish problem". That policy was repeatedly discussed, and has been documented. To make this resettlement possible, it was necessary to keep the Jews alive. Zyklon-B could therefore be accurately called "material for resettlement of the Jews". ___________________________________________________________________________ 2) What were the underground cellars in Kremas II and III for? ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #2: The underground cellars of Kremas II and III were designed and used as morgues. The following is excerpted from _REMARKS_ issue #2, in which Jack Wikoff reviews Pressac's _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_: ----- Homicidal gassings are claimed to have taken place in six concentration camps in German-occupied Poland. The most infamous of these is Auschwitz-Birkenau. Although it is claimed homicidal gassings of human beings took place in seven or eight locations at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the vast majority of the killings, about seventy-five percent, would have happened in just two buildings.* * On page 264 of Jean-Claude Pressac's _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_ he says the Nuremberg figure of 4,000,000 is "now recognized as 'emotional' and should really [be] more in the order of 1 [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [2/9] Message-ID: <9403160137.A4504wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:37:16 Lines: 177 [Continued from previous message:] million". He claims the number of alleged gassings in Crematories Two and Three totaled about 750,000 people. These buildings are known as Crematories Two and Three: two buildings, mirror-images of one another, built from identical architectural plans. So in an architectural sense most of the killings at Auschwitz/Birkenau must have taken place in this one single type of industrially designed facility. [...] Pressac emphasizes that the central question in his _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_ center around Crematories Two and Three. When it is understood that these buildings, essentially one structure, were not designed or used for homicidal gassings, the "holocaust" house-of-cards collapses. Crematories Two and Three were designed by the Auschwitz Bauleitung (Construction Management) Drawing Office of the SS in early 1942. Bids for construction were taken in the summer of 1942, and the facilities began functioning in March, 1943 and June 1943 respectively. Examination of the blueprints in Pressac's book make it very clear that these buildings were cremation and morgue facilities. The basement rooms which are alleged to have been used for undressing and gassing are clearly marked as "Leichenenkeller" [corpse cellars or morgues]. [...] Pressac admits that these buildings were designed and built as crematories and morgues, not as gas chambers. On page 429 we find the following statements: Faurisson asked for 'one proof...one single proof' of the existence of homicidal gas chambers. The 'traditional' historians provided him with an 'abundance of proofs' which were all based on human testimony...But human testimony is fallible. It is unreliable and Faurisson wanted a CONCRETE historical proof, that is proof based on incontestable and irrefutable documents. As for the technical drawings of the Krematorien, cited in legal actions and described as proving that they were planned for large scale assassination by gas (which is in fact incorrect), NOT ONE explicitly mentions in so many words anything like: 'Blausaure' [prussic acid] 'Vergasungs-' or 'Gaskammer' or '-keller' ['gassing' or 'gas chamber' or 'cellar']. This is not because the drawings were 'camouflaged' in any way, but is simply because the buildings concerned were converted from their original function, cremation pure and simple, and transformed for criminal use, so that the compromising words could not have been written on the original drawings of Krematorien II and III... In final analysis, there remain only the various items of correspondence and official documents of German origin. Through the 'slips' that can be found in them, they form a convincing body of presumptive evidence and clearly indicate the presence...of gas chambers... In the absence of any 'direct', i.e. palpable, in-disputable and evident proof (lacking so far as we know at present) such as a photograph of people killed by toxic gas in an enclosed space that can be perfectly located and identified, or of a label on a Krematorium drawing of a 'Gaskammer um Juden zu vergiften / gas chamber for poisoning Jews' an 'indirect' proof may suffice and be valid. By 'indirect' proof, I mean a German document that does not state in black and white that a gas chamber is for HOMICIDAL purposes, but one containing evidence logically that it is impossible for it to be anything else. These are extraordinary admissions! This is the "amazing, rapidly shrinking 'holocaust'" we have heard so much about! It has taken Revisionists forty-five years to get Exterminationist "experts" to admit these facts. Thus, Pressac's only argument is that very late in the construction process (early 1943), the morgues were converted to homicidal gas chambers. He contrives all sorts of sinister meanings from construction order forms, drawings and office correspondence. The huge volumes of paperwork seized by the Soviets from the Auschwitz camp say NOTHING about extermination. As Robert Faurisson has pointed out, there are no orders, plans, budgets, drawings for gas chambers or records of gassings. Also, Crematories Two and Three were built long after the alleged extermination of the Jews was supposed to have been ordered, planned and initiated. ___________________________________________________________________________ 3) What do you make of the reference to a "gassing cellar" in Krema II, in a letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Bischoff, of the Auschwitz construction department, to SS General Kammler, January 29, 1943? ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #3: That document, and others, indicates that plans were made to convert basement rooms of Crematoria Two and Three to Zyklon B disinfestation chambers and/or air raid shelters, not extermination facilities as Pressac claims. The text below is again excerpted from _REMARKS_ issue #2 (review by Jack Wikoff of Pressac's _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_): ----- In 1942-43 Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps were suffering from epidemics of typhus and other infectious diseases. On December 28, 1942 an urgent order had gone out from Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler that the death rate "be reduced at all costs".* An attempt to convert Leichenkeller I into a disinfestation chamber in early 1943 is consistent with these urgent disease-control programs being implemented by the German armed forces in wartime Europe. * Gerald Reitlinger, _The Final Solution_, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968: pg 127; Nuremberg document 2172-PS. The clothing on cadavers brought into the underground morgues was frequently infested with disease-carrying lice. If more corpses were in storage than could be handled quickly by the ovens, then these corpses might also have had to be disinfested, ideally in the same building. Also, in March 1943 an attempt was made to provide heat, when needed, to the basement of the Crematoria, by diverting it with fans and ducts from the crematory ovens. (p. 223) Unfortunately one of the forced-draught motors caught fire and caused considerable damage. The idea of heating for the basement was consequently dropped. Since the hydrogen cyanide in Zyklon B has an evaporation point of 78.3 degrees F., this temperature must be reached for a room to function either as a disinfestation or homicidal gas chamber. But these underground morgues were designed to stay cool to prevent decomposition of cadavers. Thus the difficulty of effectively heating these rooms may have been a reason to abandon use of them as disinfestation chambers. The forensic samples taken in the ruins of these basement rooms by Fred Leuchter indicate that very small amounts of Zyklon B were used there, amounts inconsistent with regular use as disinfestation or homicidal gas chambers. Also the gas-tight doors may have been retained to keep noxious smells contained within the rooms. Gas-tight doors with peep holes are standard for air-raid shelters and this is another explanation for their presence in the basement rooms. In 1939 orders were given throughout Germany to equip apartment houses, office buildings and other structures which had basements with facilities for shelter from air raids. A bomb blast near a shelter can exhaust all oxygen in the vicinity in addition to producing poisonous gases. This author [Jack Wikoff] has in his possession photocopies of 1939 German manuals on the construction of gas-tight bomb shelters. (These photocopies were kindly made available by Revisionist researcher Friedrich Paul Berg.) The gas-tight doors with peep holes illustrated in the manuals are similar to those reproduced in the Pressac book. Several of the documents reproduced in _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_ prove that extensive defenses against aerial bombing were instituted at Auschwitz-Birkenau. On page 156 is a blueprint for the conversion of the morgue (alleged homicidal gas chamber) in Crematoria One at the Auschwitz Main Camp into a bomb shelter. This shelter had a gas-tight door with a peep-hole which can still be seen by tourists today. Furthermore, Pressac states that the alleged homicidal gas chamber in Crematorium Two may have been divided in half in 1944 (p. 251). This is very consistent with other documentation on bomb shelters at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The dividing wall would have provided extra reinforcement for the concrete ceiling. Those with a macabre sense of humor can imagine the irony of one room being used simultaneously as a gas chamber and an air-raid shelter. Picture [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [3/9] Message-ID: <9403160137.A4505wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:37:20 Lines: 196 [Continued from previous message:] scores of SS guards, civilian workers, and privileged inmates rushing to the underground shelter as warning sirens wail, only to have the air-raid warden say "Sorry guys, this room is occupied. Can you come back when these 3000 corpses have been removed?" ___________________________________________________________________________ 4) Why do the construction documents for Kremas IV and V mention "gas chambers" in them? ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #4: First, what precise term (in German) is used, and in what context? What is your source for the documents? To which documents do you refer? Kremas IV and V may have had delousing chambers in them. The following excerpts are taken from "Improvised Gas Chambers & Casual Gassings at Auschwitz & Birkenau, According to J.-C. Pressac (1989) -- Part I", by Robert Faurisson: ----- Krema IV and V are supposed to have been planned WITH homicidal gas chambers (p. 384). They are supposed to have functioned, one beginning on March 22, the other on April 4, 1943 (p. 378), but to have been scarcely used. "After two months, Krematorium IV was completely out of service. Krematorium V did not enter service until later, but was scarcely any better." (p. 384, 420). The gassing procedure is described as "illogical to the point of absurdity" (p. 379) and as "constituting a circus act" for the SS man carrying out the gassing (p. 386; see p. 43-46 below). It is important to recall here that in 1982 Pressac maintained that Kremas IV and V had been planned WITHOUT homicidal gas chambers; the Germans had, according to him, transformed harmless rooms into homicidal gas chambers ("Les 'Krematorien' IV et V de Birkenau et leurs chambres a gaz, construction et fonctionnement," _Le Monde juif_, July-September 1982, p. 91-131). He never lets us know why he renounced that thesis in order to adopt one diametrically opposed now. To sum up, if one is to believe our guide, one obtains, as to crematoria planned WITH or WITHOUT homicidal gas chambers, the following sequence, arranged in chronological order according to initial date of operation: Krema I: planned WITH homicidal gas chamber Krema IV: planned WITH (Pressac's thesis in 1982: WITHOUT) Krema II: planned WITHOUT Krema V: planned WITH (Pressac's thesis in 1982: WITHOUT) Krema III: planned WITHOUT Neither logic nor chronology can be served by such caprice and such incoherence. ----- The "Circus Act" of Krema IV and V Had he been honest, the author would have begun the section he devotes to Krema IV and V by recalling his interpretation of 1982. At that time, he maintained in _Le Monde juif_ (op. cit.) that these two Krema had been planned WITHOUT criminal intent, as simple crematoria; then, later, the Germans had carried out improvisations in order to transform certain rooms there into homicidal gas chambers. In 1985 the author was still sticking to this thesis (Colloque de l'Ecole des Hautes Etudes en sciences sociales [Francois Furet and Raymond Aron], _L'Allemagne nazie et le genocide juif_, Gallimard/Le Seuil, 1985, p. 539-584). But in the present work Pressac makes a 180-degree turn, giving his reader no warning other than after the fact, in veiled terms at that (p. 379, 448). Since Pressac is always confused, readers will be unaware of why he held his former thesis (that these Krema were planned WITHOUT criminal intent), or what led him to adopt a new thesis, diametrically opposed to the earlier one (these Krema were planned WITH criminal intent).^2 The author's embarrassment is considerable. One wonders if he wouldn't be happy to send to the devil the history of these two Krema IV and V which--he insists on this point--should not have worked because they were so badly designed and constructed that the ovens were quickly out of service (p. 384, 420). He writes that at the end of May 1944 most of the members of the Sonderkommando who lived in a section of the Men's Camp at Birkenau--and therefore, he adds in passing, openly and publicly--were transferred "to Krema IV, which was converted into a dormitory for them" (p. 389). In the Holocaust literature the revolt of the Jewish Sonderkommando, which set fire to Krema IV out of despair at having gassed and burned masses of their co-religionists, is presented as a page of heroism. For his part Pressac doubts the "veracity" of this story and writes that Krema IV was only a dormitory at that time and that this rebellion was an act of despair on the part of prisoners who were overcrowded and underoccupied, who had seen too much and felt that their end was near (p. 390). As one will see right away, the layout of the premises was such that, at Krema IV and V, it would have made a mockery of a homicidal gassing operation. Let's take either of these two Krema. To start with, since there was no undressing room, the crowd of victims is supposed to have been led into the morgue, where bodies were already piled up. There, the victims undressed with the corpses in full view. Then they were led into an antechamber, and next a corridor. Wisely, they passed the doctor's office, then a coal storage room. Next, at the end of the corridor, they were divided up between two "homicidal gas chambers," each equipped with a coal stove which was fired from the corridor. Then an SS man, stationed outside the building, is supposed to have poured the granules of Zyklon B through shutters on the roof. Due to the height, he had to use a ladder. He had to position the ladder and climb up for each shutter; he would open the shutter with one hand and empty the contents of the Zyklon can with the other. Quickly, he would close the shutter and go on to the next. At the next he would move all the more quickly because, HCN being lighter than air, the emissions from the granules from the first made the operation more dangerous, even if our SS man was wearing a gas mask. At the end of the operation, he would have had to ventilate these rooms at length and with care. Given the small size of the shutters and the absence of any sort of equipment for ventilation, one can't see how the operation could be carried out. The doors would have to be opened, and thus the antechamber, the doctor's office, etc. The corpses would have to be removed from each of the two gas chambers; then dragged the length of the corridor and past three successive doors to end up... in the morgue, where presently other prospective victims would be arriving. In his 1982 study in Le Monde juif (op. cit., p. 126), Pressac wrote: "This improvisation is stupefying," concluding: So, it becomes obvious: KREMATORIUM IV AND V WERE NOT PLANNED AS CRIMINAL INSTALLATIONS BUT WERE CONVERTED INTO SUCH [Pressac's capitals]. In the great opus under review, he makes obscure reference to his feelings of "1980"; he says that at that time he found that the operation was "illogical to the point of absurdity" (p. 379). Nine years later, has our pharmacist finally arrived at either explaining this operation, "illogical to the point of absurdity," or discovering that the Germans in fact used a different procedure, one logical, sensible, explicable? Not at all. He begins by relating that the SS took note of the fact that their procedure "had become irrational and ridiculous" (p. 386). The SS gasser had to pour the Zyklon B through six openings (Pressac considers that there were three gas chambers, not two, the hall doing service as the third!). This SS man, he states, had to go up or down his ladder no fewer than eighteen times while wearing his gas mask. According to our guide, after two or three gassings carried out in this fashion, the Bauleitung (Construction Office) determined that natural ventilation was dangerous and that the method of introducing the poison resembled "a circus act." For ventilation a door was installed which resulted, Pressac assures us, in preventing the west wind from blowing the gas in a dangerous direction and which allowed the rooms to be ventilated only by the north or south winds. As to the procedure for introducing the gas (the "circus act"), that remained the same, except that the shutters were widened by 10 centimeters. Pressac writes, in all seriousness, that The method of introduction remained the same, however, the camp authorities considering that a little physical exercise would do the medical orderlies responsible for gassing a world of good. Here, as elsewhere, our pharmacist shows marvelous aplomb, telling his story without supplying his reader a reference to any evidence whatsoever. [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [4/9] Message-ID: <9403160137.A4506wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:37:24 Lines: 196 [Continued from previous message:] Where has he seen, for example, that the camp authorities (which? when?) decided that the "circus act" was absurd but that "a little physical exercise would do the medical orderlies responsible for gassing [the Jews] a world of good"? One of the constants in Pressac's writings is the stupidity which the SS demonstrated by its boasts. He uses this to explain many of the anomalies, absurdities, and ineptitudes in the stories of homicidal gassing. It is curious that he apparently doesn't suspect that this "stupidity" could be attributed precisely to those who describe to us the activities of the SS gassers in such fashion. Or yet again, since all these operations are supposed to be tinged with stupidity, is it the SS's stupidity or that of Pressac himself? Lastly, it is surprising that before concluding that Krema IV and V definitely had homicidal gas chambers, he didn't wonder whether they didn't simply house showers or delousing chambers. I have in my archives a sketch of Krema IV and V, after a plan which I entrusted to him; I see written plainly in our subject's handwriting the words "Showers 1" and "Showers 2" at the places he calls the homicidal gas chambers today. And, on his third gas chamber, I read "Corridor." ----- - Regarding a time sheet indicating the make-up of a crew constructing a chimney for Krema IV or V, Pressac comments that "the composition of the gang employed is typical, with 12 civilians and 20 prisoners working as bricklayer's laborers" (p. 412); so there was no possibility of secrets on that side either; ----- I also have, by Pressac, a two-volume study which he entitled _Auschwitz, architecture paisible_ (Auschwitz, Peaceful Architecture). It concerns Krema IV and V. It is extremely disordered and has never been published. My copy is marked No. 2. The dedication page is laughable: Pressac, offering his services to all comers, launches into flattery addressed to certain Exterminationists as well as certain Revisionists. I come in for my share of these compliments, which are laid on too thick to be sincere. ----- - Krema IV and V: What were coal stoves doing in the gas chambers? ----- In 1982, I reviewed Pressac's study on Krema IV and V at Birkenau. I entitled that review: The Myth of the "Gas Chambers" Enters Its Death Agony To this review, which I wrote in 1990, I could give the following title: The Death of the "Gas Chamber" Myth In the media, this myth manages to survive somehow or other; in academic or scientific circles, it is dead. Our "suburban pharmacist," as Vidal-Naquet calls him, had offered himself as a savior; his magic potions, in 1982, aggravated the patient's condition; and in 1989, that is, seven years later, they have finished him off. I know Revisionists who, confronting a thesis so disastrous for Exterminationism, wonder whether Pressac could be one of their own, and working undercover, have hoodwinked the Klarsfelds. I don't believe that in the least. Pressac is a neophyte, an autodidact, an innocent crossed with a fox. His personality is unstable; he is inconsistent, a weathercock that turns with every wind. He argues illogically and does not know how to express himself either in speech or writing - a deficiency that would be merely annoying in the exposition of a coherent thesis, but which here, with an incoherent and hybrid thesis, becomes absolutely catastrophic. Pressac isn't wearing any mask; it is his real face which we find disconcerting. For their part, the Klarsfelds lack discernment; they are even blind. They find it "normal" that, in certain cases, persons who displease the Jewish community should be killed or seriously injured (_Radio J_, 17 September 1989, Agence France Press, 1:36PM; _La Lettre telegraphique Juive_, 18 September, p. 1; _Le Monde_, 19 September, p. 14). The anguish of Serge and Beate Klarsfeld at the rise of Revisionism - despite their awareness that it has access neither to money nor to the public forum - is causing them to lose their judgement and their self-control. To the Klarsfelds, all means seem justified; every assistance is welcome; any media operation can serve. Pressac, driven away by Faurisson, dismissed by Wellers, went on to offer his services to the Klarsfelds. He was hired. This tedious tome must have cost them plenty. But, if friends of the Klarsfelds paid for it dearly in money, its results will cost them even more, which will be fatal for the Exterminationists and providential for the Revisionists. ___________________________________________________________________________ 5) Why are there cyanide traces in the Auschwitz gas chambers - including the chamber of Krema I, which you claim is a "fake"? Moreover, you claimed that using HCN in that gas chamber would have been too dangerous. However, it *was used* there, as the traces prove. Explanation? Same question holds for the other gas chambers, of course. ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #5: As Dr. Franciszek Piper (senior curator of the Auschwitz State Museum) has confirmed on videotape ("David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper"), Zyklon-B was used for disinfestation of "the buildings". That explains the barely-detectable levels found in some samples taken from the alleged homicidal gas chambers and in other places (such as bathrooms). To disinfest buildings in that way would not have caused the same dangers or difficulties that mass gassings of human beings would have caused, for numerous reasons which have been enumerated at length elsewhere. See in particular the writings of Robert Faurisson and Fred Leuchter. Whoever wrote question #5 (Ken McVay?) misrepresents what I have claimed. I have not simply "claimed that using HCN in that gas chamber would have been too dangerous." The "questioner" is shooting at a "straw man" argument. ___________________________________________________________________________ 6) Do you really think that the SS could not handle - in 1943 - "technical difficulties" in using HCN for execution, "difficulties" which were overcome in 1920, when the first gas chamber used to kill people with HCN was built in the US? ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #6: Yes, I suspect the SS could have handled, in 1943, the "technical difficulties" involved in using HCN for execution -- even for mass execution -- should they have set out to do so. ___________________________________________________________________________ 7) What do you make of the following document? What are the "special actions", that made the construction of the new crematorium building so urgent? Do you know that "special action" is another codeword for killing, and appears as such many times in SS and SD documents? (see second document below). Letter from Bischoff, head of construction management at Auschwitz, to the SS economic and administrative head office in Berlin, regarding construction at Auschwitz, 13 October 1942 [Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 198] -------------------------------------------------------------------- As regards the construction of the new crematorium building, it was necessary to start immediately in July 1942 because of the situation caused by the special actions. Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14 November 1941 [Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 99] -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general, routine reason should be given. ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #7: "Special action" was not a "code-word", nor did it necessarily mean "killing". On page 210 of Jean-Claude Pressac's _Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_ is an example. Pressac describes this [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [5/9] Message-ID: <9403160137.A4507wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:37:29 Lines: 190 [Continued from previous message:] example on page 213: On 17th December, the camp Gestapo, for reasons of security, undertook a <> (which probably in fact began the previous day) AMONG THE CIVILIAN WORKERS (of whom there were about 40 or 50 at worksite 30). [NB: the term < > in this context means checks and interrogations among a specific category of person and has nothing to do with the selection of those fit for work and the gassing of the rest]. [...] A facsimile of the document in question (in German) appears along with its English translation on page 210. (By the way, the English translation neglects to translate the words "der Gestapo". This error changes the meaning of the document.) The "special actions" referred to in the document were more than likely actions intended to fight typhus epidemics, or the transportation of sick and dying prisoners from other camps. If you insist on interpreting "special actions" and "special treatment" as "code-words for killing", the burden is upon you to prove that they always meant "killing". Obviously, that is impossible, since I have already provided several counter-examples. Intellectual honesty thus compels you to admit that they are not "code-words for killing", and to stop deceptively interpreting them as such. ___________________________________________________________________________ 8) What do you make of the following excerpts from the diary of SS Doctor Kremer? Now don't say these are "forgeries by Zionist Holocaustomanics"; all the people you quote, such as Faurisson, agree it is genuine. Note, again, the use of the expression "special action": Notes From Diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268] ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 September 1942 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing! [Sonderaktion = special action] 5 September 1942 In the morning attended a Sonderaktion from the women's concentration camp; the most dreadful of horrors. Hschf. Thilo -- army doctor -- was right when he said to me this is the 'anus mundi'. In the evening towards 8.00 attended another Sonderaktion from Holland. ['anus mundi' is Latin for "the anal orifice of the world"] 10 October 1942 Extracted and fixed fresh live material from liver, spleen and pancreas... 11 October 1942 Today, Sunday, there was roast hare for lunch -- a real fat leg -- with dumplings and red cabbage for 1.25 RM. 12 October 1942 Second innoculation against typhus, later on in the evening severe generalized reaction (fever). Despite this in the night attended a further Sonderaktion from Holland (1,600 persons). Ghastly scenes in front of the last bunker! That was the 10th Sonderaktion. 13 November 1942 Extracted fresh live material (liver, spleen and pancreas) from a previously photographed, severely atrophied Jewish prisoner aged eighteen. Fixed as always, liver and spleen in Carnoy and pancreas in Zenker (Prisoner No. 68,030). ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #8: Again I emphasize that "special action" and "special treatment" were NOT "code words for killing", as I have already demonstrated in my answers to questions #1 and #7. The excerpt below, which answers your question, is taken from "Confessions of SS Men who were at Auschwitz", by Robert Faurisson, from _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 2, No. 2 (Summer 1981). ----- Let us leave Ravensbruck and the confession of Schwarzhuber for Auschwitz and the confession of Kramer, the other SS man who had "an intelligent expression" as well as "the appearance and the behavior of a psychologically normal man." To begin with, let us look at some extracts from his private diary written during his short stay at Auschwitz, and then at the explanations that he gave to those extracts, after the war, to his Polish jailers, explanations that he held to later on in 1960 at his trial which took place at Munster (Westphalia) and at the trial of the Auschwitz guards, in 1964, at Frankfurt-on-Main. The name of Professor Doctor Kremer should not be confused with that of Josef Kramer. The latter had high positions successively at the camp of Struthof-Natzweiler (Alsace), then at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and finally at Bergen-Belsen. In his case also there were various confessions. All are interesting to study. On the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" at Struthof, I would like to point out that the French did not wring out of him, as I until recently still believed, only a single confession but, as I have recently discovered, two totally absurd and wonderfully contradictory confessions. Of the one people sometimes speak, while the other was carefully kept hidden. I will some day speak about it, as well as about the two reports of the French Military Couts on that "gas chamber" at Struthof: the one, really childish, which concludes on the existence of "gassings"; and another one, which has disappeared from the archives of the military courts, which reaches the opposite conclusion: this report, dated 1 December 1945, was done by the eminent toxicologist, Professor Rene Fabre. 1. EXTRACTS FROM THE DIARY OF DR. JOHANN PAUL KRAMER (DOCTOR AT AUSCHWITZ DURING THE SUMMER OF 1942), SELECTED AND PRESENTED BY THE OFFICIAL HISTORIANS (LEON POLIAKOV, GEORGES WELLERS, SERGE KLARSFELD,...) 2 September 1942: This morning, at three o'clock, I was present for the first time at a SONDERAKTION. Compared to that, Dante's Inferno appears to be a comedy. It is not without reason that Auschwitz is called extermination camp. [the version of Georges Wellers, in _Le Monde_, 29 December 1978, p8; the author explains beforehand that a SONDERAKTION is a "selection for the gas chambers."] At three o'clock in the morning, I was present for the first time at a "special action" (thus did they refer to the selection and murder in the gas chambers). In comparison with the Inferno of Dante that seemed to me almost a comedy. It is not without reason that they call Auschwitz and extermination camp. [the version of Serge Klarsfeld, in _Le Memorial de la Deportation des Juifs de France_ (Memorial to the Deportation of the Jews from France,) 1978, p245; the author has obviously reproduced page 48 of a book (not dated) published in Poland by the International Auschwitz Committee under the title _KL Auschwitz; Arbeit Macht Frei_ (Concentration Camp Auschwitz/Work Makes You Free), 96 pages.] This morning at three o'clock, I was present for the first time at a "special action." In comparison, Dante's Inferno appeared to me a comedy. It is not for nothing that Auschwitz is called an extermination camp. [Leon Poliakov's version, in _Auschwitz_, Collection Archives Gallimard/Julliard, 1973, p40]. For this first date of 2 September, I have cited three versions. For the following dates, I will content myself with citing a single version: the official version of the State Museum of Oswiecim (Auschwitz), such as it appeared in _Auschwitz vu par les SS_ (Auschwitz Seen by the SS), French translation, 1974. I will confine myself intentionally only to what the official historians have the habit of citing in their works and only to what, in the eyes of the authorities of the State Museum of Auschwitz, would tend to prove that Dr. Kremer had participated in the "gassings" of human beings. 5 September 1942: This noon was present at a special action in the women's camp ("Moslems") -- the most horrible of all horrors. HSCF. Thilo, military surgeon, is right when he said today to me we were located here in "ANUS MUNDI" [ANUS OF THE WORLD]. In the evening at about 8p.m. another special action with a draft from Holland. Men compete to take part in such actions as they get additional rations then -- 1/5 litre vodka, 5 cigarettes, 100 grammes of sausage and bread. Today and tomorrow (Sunday) on duty. On the next day, Dr. Kremer said that he had had an excellent lunch. On numerous occasions, his diary contains in that way some remarks about food. Historians often cite these remarks to show the cynicism of the doctor; they say that the atrocities of the "gas chambers" do not hurt his [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [6/9] Message-ID: <9403160141.A4508wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:41:29 Lines: 158 [Continued from previous message:] appetite. Dr. Kremer mentions a special action of Sunday, 6 September at 8 o'clock in the evening, then on the evening of 9 September, then on the morning of 10 September, then in the night of the 23rd and on that of the 30th. He writes then: 7 October 1942: Present at the 9th special action (new arrivals of women "Moslems") [...] 12 October 1942: [...] was present at night at another special action with a draft from Holland (1600 persons). Horrible scenes in front of the last bunker! This was the 10th special action. 18 October 1942: In wet and cold weather was on this Sunday morning present at the 11th special action (from Holland). Terrible scenes when 3 women begged to have their bare lives spared. 8 November 1942: This night took part in 2 special actions in rainy and murky weather (12th and 13th) [...] Another special action in the afternoon, the 14th so far, in which I had participated [...] Dr. Kremer is wrong in his counting. He has forgotten that on 5 September there had been not one but two special actions, which made a total of 15 special actions for his stay at Auschwitz. This stay lasted for 81 days, of which only 76 were on duty (because of a five day leave). The notes in the Polish edition say that the dates of these special actions coincide with the dates of the arrival of the convoys of deportees. [...] 5. EXTRACTS FROM THE DIARY: MY EXPLANATIONS AND MY COMMENTARIES I note first that these extracts contain neither the word "gassing" nor the expression "gas chamber." The diary of Dr. Kremer was a private diary. The doctor expressed himself freely there. He frankly expressed his horror of the camp. He does not mince words. He compares what he sees to a vision from Dante. One can therefore think that, if he had seen those virtual human slaughterhouses which the "gas chambers" would have been, he would have mentioned that absolute horror. Wouldn't Dr. Kremer, as a scientist, at least have noted some precise physical details about these slaughterhouses which, in the history of science, would have been an amazing invention? But let us begin at the beginning. Did Dr. Kremer in fact write what they say that he wrote? The answer to that question is NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. His text has been gravely distorted. This is even the work of a forger. As an example I am going to reproduce the text in the version given by Georges Wellers but I am going to insert in it, in capital letters, what he has omitted and I am going to insert in place of SONDERAKTION and of EXTERMINATION, which are misinterpretations, the two words which fit; I will also put them in capital letters. Therefore, here is the text translated from the original German (see document NO-3408 in the National Archives): 2 September 1942: This morning, at 3 o'clock, I was present OUTSIDE for the first time at a SPECIAL ACTION. Compared to that, Dante's Inferno appears TO ME ALMOST LIKE a comedy. It is not without reason that Auschwitz is called THE camp of THE ANNIHILATION! Every text must be scrupulously respected, especially when the text is supposed to serve as the basis for a shocking demonstration and for a terrible accusation. The concealing of the word OUTSIDE is very serious. Why, after having given us the indication of the time, has the indication of the place been concealed? The German text says: DRAUSSEN. Dr. Kremer was not in a closed place as a gas chamber would have been. He was "outside," "on the outside." Without doubt that detail is not very clear, and perhaps it meant "out of the camp itself," but one must not conceal that possibility. For SONDERAKTION, Wellers has kept the German word; in appearance, this is evidence of scrupulousness and care; in reality, it is a clever trick. As a matter of fact, this word, at least for a French reader, has a sound that is disturbing, Germanic, barbaric, and can only conceal horrible things. But there is even more: just before citing that entry by Dr. Kremer, Wellers, in his article in _Le Monde_, wrote: "[Kremer] had participated in the selection for the gas chambers (SONDERAKTION)." In other words, Wellers imposes on his reader the following lie: in his diary, Dr. Kremer said in so many words: "this morning at 3 o'clock I was present at a selection for the gas chambers." We see very well now that it was nothing of the kind. Dr. Kremer was contented to speak of a "special action." What is one to understand by that expression? To some people who, like me, doubt the existence of the homicidal "gas chambers" it is absurd to answer, as does Wellers, by positing their existence at once as an accepted fact. Suppose that someone does not believe in the existence of flying saucers. To such a person one could not retort that those saucers exist since, in such and such a report by the police, it is written: "A witness declares that he saw something SPECIAL in the sky" -- "Some witnesses noted in the sky some UNUSUAL phenomena." Therefore, for the time being, the only honest -- if not very clear -- translation of SONDERAKTION could only be "special action." I will later come back to the probable meaning of this word about which, for the moment, we have no right to speculate. Dr. Kremer did not write next: "Compared to that, Dante's Inferno seemed to be a comedy" but "Compared to that, Dante's Inferno seemed TO ME ALMOST LIKE a comedy." Here, the concealing of three words by Wellers is perhaps not very important, but it contributes in its modest way to doing violence to the meaning of the text, always with a view to producing the same effect. There is a shade of difference between "seemed [almost] like," in which one senses a softening, and "seemed to be," which is more affirmative. Dr. Kremer has not transformed an impression which was personal to him into an impression common to a whole human group. In some sense, he did not state: "Dante's Inferno appeared here to everyone around me like a comedy"; if he had stated that, one could suppose that he was present at an unquestionably Dantesque scene. In reality, he contented himself with a confidence of a personal kind and in effect he wrote: "Dante's Inferno here appeared TO ME, who had just arrived (that impression is personal to me, yet others can perhaps share it) ALMOST LIKE a comedy." In other words, the scene is certainly horrible for this doctor who has just arrived for the first time in his life in a concentration camp, but all the same not to the point of decreeing that Dante's Inferno is obviously a comedy to everybody in comparison with this scene. But there is something very much more serious that Georges Wellers has made the Kremer text undergo. Kremer did not say that Auschwitz was "called an extermination camp," which, in the original German, would have been: "genannt Vernichtungslager." In reality, we read in the original German: "gennant DAS Lager DER Vernichtung" ("called THE camp of THE annihilation"). If Wellers had respected the presence of the two articles and if he had given to "VERNICHTUNG" the meaning of "extermination" which is indispensible to his exterminationist thesis, he would have gotten the following phrase: "It is not without reason that Auschwitz is called the camp of the extermination." Thus constructed, the phrase sounds bizarre both in German and in French. That has to be for us the sign that a word of the text undoubtedly has been badly translated. That word, as will be seen later on, is "Vernichtung." The context will reveal to us that that word is not to be translated as "extermination" (a meaning that it can very well have in other contexts) but by "annihilation." There is here no extermination, murder, assassination, killing, nor massacre; there are not the results of an act, an action, or a will; there is nothing here about a "camp where they exterminate," there is here no "extermination camp" (an expression invented by the victors, some years after 1942, to designate camps allegedly endowed with "gas chambers"). What there is here in reality is an annihilation: men and women are reduced to wasting away; they ware annihilated, reduced to nothing by the epidemics and notably by that illness whose name "typhus" (in Greek TUPOS) signifies precisely: torpor, stupor, a kind of lethargy, a rapid destruction of the faculties, sometimes up to the point of death. Auschwitz is not "an extermination camp" (an anachronistic expression, and we know that anachronism is one of the most reliable signs of the presence of a falsehood) but the camp, yes, indeed, the camp PAR EXCELLENCE of general annihilation. Without doubt, just at the moment of taking his post at Auschwitz, this newcomer, Dr. Kremer, had heard his colleagues say: "You [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [7/9] Message-ID: <9403160141.A4509wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:41:34 Lines: 153 [Continued from previous message:] know, this camp, they call it the camp of annihilation. Look out for typhus! You yourself also take the risk of contracting it and dying from it." And, at the end of his entry for 2 September 1942, Dr. Kremer puts an explanation point. That point indicates the doctor's emotion. If one conceals it, as does Wellers, the phrase takes on another tone: one would perhaps believe that the doctor is cruel and cynical. One would perhaps believe that Dr. Kremer coldly thought: "The Auschwitz camp is called an "extermination camp." So it is. It is indeed. Let us take things as they are." In reality, he is overwhelmed. Due to lack of time, I cannot devote myself to the criticism of the texts given by Leon Poliakov, by Serge Klarsfeld, by the authorities of the State Museum of Oswiecim, by the official translation of document NO-3408, etc. I would only like to point out an especially serious fact. It concerns the German courts. The court at Munster which, in 1960 tried Dr. Kremer, quite simply skipped over the word DRAUSSEN when it reproduced the entry of 2 September 1942. It piled up other serious dishonesties. Here is an example of them: to overpower Dr. Kremer, the tribunal appealed to the "Calendar of Events at Auschwitz" as it was drawn up by the Communist authorities in Poland. It is already strange that a court in the western world thus shows confidence in a document drawn up by Stalinists. But there is more. The courts have established that, for most of the convoys that arrived in the camp, the Polish in their "Calendar" indicated with extraordinary precision the number of persons "gassed." Since we know that, according to the Exterminationist standard literature the people "gassed" were not the object of any accounting, of any counting, an honest man could only be astonished to read in this "Calendar" that, from the time when Dr. Kremer was at Auschwitz, they had, on such and such a day, "gassed" 981 persons and, on another day, 1594 other persons. Also, the court at Munster cynically used a subterfuge. It reproduced in its text numerous citations of the "Calendar", making it clear that it was a question of this "Calendar," but...each time that the "Calendar" uses the word "VERGAST" ("gassed"), the court itself substituted for that clumsy word the word "UMGEBRACHT" ("killed"). Thus the reader of the judgement at Munster is deceived. Whoever might find it suspect that they can talk to him about "981 gassed" or about "1594 gassed", easily lets them talk to him about "981 dead" or about "1594 dead." Finally, two remarks about the entries other than that of 2 September: (1) The expression ANUS MUNDI would not be appropriate, it seems to me, to scenes of "gassings" but rather to a repugnant and nauseating scene of groups of people fallen prey to disgusting diseases, to dysentery, etc. (2) When Dr. Kremer says that he was present at a special action in rainy, cold weather or in grey and rainy autumn weather, it is probable that those actions took place outside in the open air, and not in a gas chamber. 6. THE TRUTH OF THE TEXTS: AUSCHWITZ AS PREY TO EPIDEMICS DURING THE SUMMER OF 1942. It is sufficient to read the diary with a minimum of good faith in order to see the evidence. Here is the complementary information that this diary gives us. I will summarize it. Dr. Kremer came to Auschwitz to replace a sick doctor there. Typhus had ravaged not only the camp, but also the German-Polish city of Auschwitz. Not only the internees were struck, but also the German troops. There was typhus, malaria, dysentery, tropical heat, innumerable flies, and dust. The water was dangerous to drink. Diarrhea, vomiting, stomach aches made the atmosphere stink. The scene of people reduced to nothing by typhus was demoralizing. In that hell, Dr. Kremer himself contracted what he called "the sickness of Auschwitz." However, he underwent several vaccinations, at first against exanthematic typhus, then against abdominal typhus (a name which, in itself, would explain very well the term ANUS MUNDI). The principal bearer of typhus is the louse. On 1 September 1942, he wrote: "In the afternoon was present at the gassing of a block with ZYKLON B against lice." ZYKLON B is stabilized hydrocyanic acid. That product is still used today throughout the entire world. Many documents prove to us that that disinfection operation was delicate and could demand the presence of a doctor to bring help, should the occasion arise, to certified personnel charged with carrying out the gassing of a barrack and, 21 hours after the beginning of the airing out of such a barrack, testing for the disappearance of the hydrocyanic acid before permitting people to return to live in their barracks. On 10 October 1942, the situation was so serious that, for everyone, there was a quarantine of the camp. The wife of the OBERSTURMFUHRER or STURMBANNFUHRER Casar died of typhus. All of the city of Auschwitz was in bed, etc. It is sufficient to refer to the text of the diary. For more details of that epidemic of the year 1942, one can also consult the calender of the _Hefte von Auschwitz_ (year 1942). In the _Anthology of the International Auschwitz Committee_, Volume I, second part, page 196 (in the French edition), we read that the SS physician Dr. Popiersch, head doctor of the garrison and of the camp, had died of typhus on 24 April 1942 (four months before the arrival of Dr. Kremer). In Volume II, first part, published also in 1969, we read on page 129 and in note 14 on page 209 that the Polish physician Dr. Marian Ciepielowski of Warsaw also died of typhus while caring for the Soviet prisoners of war. The work of Dr. Kremer at Auschwitz seems to have been principally to devote himself to laboratory research, to dissections, to anatomical studies. But it was also necessary for him to be present at some corporal punishments and some executions. He was not present at the very arrival of the convoys, but, once the division between those fit for work and those not fit for work had been made, he arrived, in a car with driver, from his hotel room in Auschwitz (room #26 at the Train Station Hotel). What took place then? Did he lead people into some "gas chambers" or to disinfection? Let us see below what they claim that he said first in 1947 to the Polish communists; secondly, in 1960 to the court at Munster; and thirdly, in 1964 to the court at Frankfurt. [...] 8. TEXTUAL CONFIRMATION OF THE CORRECTNESS OF THE REVISIONIST INTERPRETATION OF THE DIARY OF DR. KREMER On page 42 of _Justiz und NS-Verbrechen_ we learn that in the trial at Munster, in 1960, Dr. Kremer had had someone appear as a witness for his defense. That witness was a woman whose name began with Gla. (German law authorizes that, in a public document, certain names may be revealed only in abridged form.) That name was very probably that of Miss Glaser, the daughter of Dr. Kremer's housekeeper; one about whom he speaks on several occasions in his diary. The witness brought to the court some post cards and some letters that the doctor had sent to her at the time of his stay in Auschwitz. The witness said that the doctor "had not been in agreement with what took place at Auschwitz" and that he had hurried to leave that camp. Miss Gla[ser] then put into evidence a letter of 21 October 1942 that Dr. Kremer had sent to her. The content of it is of extreme importance, which apparently eluded the tribunal. It proves that, when Dr. Kremer spoke of the Auschwitz camp as a hell, it was indeed as I have said, because of the typhus and the other epidemics. Here are the very words used by the doctor in his letter: I don't really know for certain, but I expect, however, that I'll be able to be in Munster before 1 December, and thus finally turn my back on this hell of Auschwitz where, in addition to the typhoid, and so on, typhus has once again broken out strongly... Here is therefore that "Dante's Inferno" from the entry of 2 September 1942! Professor of Medicine Johann Paul Kremer had seen the horrors of a formidable epidemic at Auschwitz wiping out internees and guards; he had not seen monstrous "gassing" operations, exterminating crowds of human beings. [...] NOTES I reproduce here the text of the entry of 2 September 1942 (Diary of Johann Paul Kremer) after the photocopy of the original as it is found in the National Archives in Washington (Doc. #NO-3408). Some Exterminationist works reproduce the photograph of this entry among other entries from the diary. But the reader has little chance to go about deciphering each word of the German handwriting of Dr. Kremer. He will be inclined to have confidence in the printed reproduction that they will propose to him, for example, in the margin; that is the case with _KL Auschwitz, Arbeit Macht [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [8/9] Message-ID: <9403160141.A4510wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:41:38 Lines: 178 [Continued from previous message:] Frei_, edited by the International Auschwitz Committee, 96 pages (not dated). On page 48 there appears a photograph of a manuscript page of the diary on which are found three entries relating to five dates (1 through 5 September 1942). In the margin, you discover the alleged printed reproduction of the single entry of 2 September. That reproduction appears in French, English and German. In French and English the text is outrageously distorted. In German, it was very difficult to distort the text in a similar way since the photocopy of the manuscript is available to the reader. But we must have unlimited confidence that the Exterminationists will falsify texts that embarrass them. The International Auschwitz Committee has found a solution thanks to a typographical trick. After the word SONDERAKTION the authors of the book have printed in the same typeface the following parenthesis, as if it were from Dr. Kremer: "So wurde die Selektion und das Vergasen genannt" ("Thus did they refer to selection and gassing"). Either the reader, as is highly probable, will not notice the difference between the manuscript text and the printed text and then will believe it to be a confidence imparted by Dr. Kremer, which will appear to him to be all the more normal since, according to an Exterminationist myth, the Nazis spent their time inventing a coded language in order to cover up their crimes; or else the reader will see the difference between the texts and then the authors will plead a simple and innocent typographical error. Serge Klarsfeld, as I said above, has used this fallacious page in his _Memorial of the Deportation of the Jews from France_. It is thus that historical tricks are spread and perpetuated. Here is the original manuscript text in its authentic form: Zum 1. Male draussen um 3 Uhr fruh bei einer Sonderaktion zugegen. Im Vergleich hierzu erscheint mir das Dante' sche Inferno fast wie eine Komodie. Umsonst wird Auschwitz nicht das Lager der Vernichtung genannt! Finally, here is the text of the passage from the letter of 21 October 1942 addressed to Miss Gla[ser]: [...] Definitiven Bescheid habe ich allerdings noch nicht erwarte jedoch, dass ich vor dem 1. Dezember wieder in Munster sein kann and so endgultig dieser Holle Auschwitz den Rukken gekehrt habe, wo ausser Fleck usw. sich nunmehr auch der Typhus machtig bemerkbar macht... I reproduce the text with its errors in punctuation and spelling. ___________________________________________________________________________ 9) You have posted articles claiming that humans cannot be killed with the exhaust of diesel engines. I posted here, many times, the results of a series of experiments conducted by British researchers, and reported in a respected scientific journal, which proved that the exhaust of a tiny 6 BHP diesel engine can be lethal to animals. Do you still maintain that squeezing people into a chamber and having a 500 BHP engine - like those used in Treblinka - pump fumes into it, will not be, let's say, hazardous to the health of these people? (You will find the journal citation for the British tests in my Leuchter FAQ, which is posted monthly to alt.revisionism, and which is available via my listserver.) ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #9: Again, you are shooting at another "straw man" argument. Contrary to what you say, I have never claimed that "humans cannot be killed with the exhaust of diesel engines." In fact, the report I transcribed and posted on the subject said just the opposite. Below are portions of text excerpted from "The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth Within a Myth", by Friedrich Paul Berg, published in _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 5, Number 1 (Spring 1984): ----- Although it would be most convenient for the revisionist camp in the holocaust controversy to be able to say that mass-murder could not possibly have been committed with Diesel exhaust in half an hour, that simply cannot be said with total accuracy. It must be conceded that it would have been remotely possible to commit the deeds in question with Diesels. However, it would certainly have required an inordinate amount of expertise and determination and, for all their efforts, the would-be murderers would have had an arrangement which at best (worst?) would still have been only marginally effective at its morbid task. From a practical perspective the whole idea of perfecting a Diesel arrangement for such a purpose would have been contrary to all common sense. [...] The information gaps are bad enough; what is far worse is that the bits and pieces of information which one DOES find are simply incredible. To kill people with gas is not inherently incredible since it certainly does happen, even accidentally. But if one carefully examines the available information about the German gas chambers from a scientific, medical or technical perspective, he soon realizes that he is dealing with an absurd muddle. To characterize the alleged mass-murder methodology as "hare-brained," "crackpot," or simply "weird" is to understate the situation. The more one examines what little information there is, the more obvious it becomes that the people who repeat the holocaust story in one form or other really have no idea as to what they are talking or writing about. The testimony of the so-called eyewitnesses is especially weird. The Gerstein statement, which has been widely accepted by the holocaust specialists, is probably the best example of such testimony. But the other "statements" or "confessions" are almost as bad or worse. The absurdity of the various alleged extermination methods does not in itself prove that the holocaust did not happen, but it should at least persuade reasonable people to ask for some other evidence before they let themselves believe such a monstrous tale. The fact that other evidence such as documents ordering the killing of Jews with gas, or hard, physical evidence such as workable gas chambers--not just ordinary rooms that have been mislabeled--is also absent should make it quite obvious that something is seriously wrong.^1 [...] According to the exterminationists, the nasty deed was always done in less than half an hour. In order to determine how much carbon monoxide would be needed to kill in only half an hour, instead of a full hour, one can use the widely accepted rule of thumb known as "Henderson's Rule," which is: % CO x (exposure time) = Constant for any given toxic effect. In other words, for any given toxic effect, the poisonous concentration must be inversely proportional to the time of exposure. This means that to kill in half an hour, one would need twice the concentration that one would need to kill in a full hour. Applying this rule to the "0.4% and above" needed to kill in "less than one hour," we get 0.8% and above as the concentration needed to kill in less than half an hour.^13 [...] The important consideration is always the "average" concentration over the entire exposure period and not some quantity of poison measured in pounds or cubic feet. To try to analyze the problem by determining actual quantities of CO produced, rather than "concentrations," would be futile since the little that one is told, in the case of Gerstein's description, about the actual size of the chamber or chambers is so incredible to begin with. [...] If Gerstein had claimed that the carbon monoxide was generated by gasoline engines, his story might be more credible. [...] NOTES 1. The "gaschambers" that one is shown today in Dachau, Auschwitz and elsewhere are practically nothing more than ordinary rooms which could not have been used to kill in the manner alleged. The Diesel gas chambers in Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor were all supposedly destroyed long before the end of the war. [...] 13. F.E. Camps, _Medical and Scientific Investigations in the Christie Case_ (London: Medical Publications Ltd., 1953), p. 170. ----- I direct you to read the entire article from which the above text is excerpted. It would be impractical to duplicate all of the relevant portions of it here. The article (including illustrations) is available from Banished CPU's FTP Mail Server. As in so many other areas, this is an area in which you have persisted in making false claims about what revisionists are saying, even after you have been corrected repeatedly. I repeat: We have NOT claimed that "humans cannot be killed with the exhaust of diesel engines." I believe the reason you resort to shooting down such "straw man" arguments and making ad hominem attacks is because you cannot refute our actual arguments. [Continued in next message] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!banished!dgannon From: dgannon@banished.com Subject: KEN MCVAY'S "10 QUESTIONS" ANSWERED [9/9] Message-ID: <9403160141.A4511wk@banished.com> Organization: Banished CPU - (503) 232-6566 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.41 Distribution: world Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:41:43 Lines: 185 [Continued from previous message:] You write that you have: [...] posted here, many times, the results of a series of experiments conducted by British researchers, and reported in a respected scientific journal, which proved that the exhaust of a tiny 6 BHP diesel engine can be lethal to animals. Do you still maintain that squeezing people into a chamber and having a 500 BHP engine - like those used in Treblinka - pump fumes into it, will not be, let's say, hazardous to the health of these people? (You will find the journal citation for the British tests in my Leuchter FAQ, which is posted monthly to alt.revisionism, and which is available via my listserver.) And in your "Leuchter FAQ", which you refer to above, you write: ----- 2.16: Fumes from a diesel engine are not toxic enough to kill people. (This claim is made with regard to the death camp of Treblinka - see file with ruling of German courts on this. In other death camps, gasoline engines were used. The method of killing was simple - people were crammed into the gas chambers, and the exhaust of powerful engines was pumped into them). Nonsense. In a closed chamber, of course diesel fumes will kill. There was actually a study on this, and its results are reported in "The Toxicity of Fumes from a diesel Engine Under Four Different Running Conditions", by Pattle et al., British Journal of Industrial Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p. 47-55. These researchers ran a few experiments in which various animals were exposed to diesel fumes, and studied the results. In the experiments, the exhaust of a small diesel engine (568 cc, 6 BHP) was connected to a chamber 10 cubic meters (340 cubic feet) in volume, and the animals were put inside it. In all cases, the animals died. [...] ----- Again I ask you: Where you have seen it claimed that "Fumes from a diesel engine are not toxic enough to kill people"? As the report by Friedrich Paul Berg (cited above) demonstrates, diesel exhaust can cause death under certain carefully controlled circumstances, after certain periods of exposure. Mr. Berg has graciously provided me with a copy of the report you cite. You blatantly and seriously lied about the report you cite! The British report you cite, by Pattle et al, supports Berg's article completely! Even in the most lethal of the 4 experiments, it still took 3 hrs and 20 minutes to kill all the animals in D1 and 4 hrs 35 minutes in D2. The article and your question #9 show that you are a liar, or that you have simply not read your own reference material. Although you claimed that "In all cases, the animals died," experiment A shows that no animals at all died, even after 5 hours of exposure! Even though, as Berg wrote in his article, "According to the exterminationists, the nasty deed was always done in less than half an hour," NONE of the British tests caused the animals to die within that amount of time! NOT EVEN CLOSE! As I said, the British report you cite AGAINST Berg's article supports Berg's article completely! Many people are killed, accidentally or otherwise, by gasoline automobile engines. Newspaper clippings of these events abound. I challenge you find a newspaper clipping which details a similar death by a diesel engine. ___________________________________________________________________________ 10) What do you make of the following letter, in which it is suggested that cellar no. 1 of Kremas II and III in Auschwitz be preheated? Some Nazi crackpot "revisionists" claim this room was a morgue. If so, why preheat it? It is stupid to heat a morgue, right? On the other hand, it makes sense to preheat a gas chamber using Zyklon-B, as it makes the gassing process more efficient. Also, what is the "undressing room" mentioned in the letter (and in many other documents)? Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to Topf & Sons, March 6 1943 [Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 221] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KL Auschwitz Krematorien II and III In accordance with your suggestion, the service agrees that cellar 1 should be preheated with the air coming from the rooms of the 3 forced draught installations. The supply and installation of the ductwork and blowers necessary to this end are to be effected as soon as possible. As you point out in your above-mentioned letter, execution should commence this week. We would ask you to send in triplicate detailed quote for supply and installation. At the same time, we would ask you to send an additional quotation for the modification of the air-extraction installation in the undressing room. ___________________________________________________________________________ ANSWER TO QUESTION #10: To answer these questions, I again quote from Jack Wikoff's review of Jean-Claude Pressac's _Auschwitz: Technique an Operation of the Gas Chambers_, printed in _REMARKS_ issue #2: ----- In 1942-43 Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps were suffering from epidemics of typhus and other infectious diseases. On December 28, 1942 an urgent order had gone out from Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler that the death rate "be reduced at all costs".* An attempt to convert Leichenkeller I into a disinfestation chamber in early 1943 is consistent with these urgent disease-control programs being implemented by the German armed forces in wartime Europe. * Gerald Reitlinger, _The Final Solution_, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968: pg 127; Nuremberg document 2172-PS. The clothing on cadavers brought into the underground morgues was frequently infested with disease-carrying lice. If more corpses were in storage than could be handled quickly by the ovens, then these corpses might also have had to be disinfested, ideally in the same building. Also, in March 1943 an attempt was made to provide heat, when needed, to the basement of the Crematoria, by divering it with fans and ducts from the crematory ovens. (p. 223) Unfortunately one of the forced-draught motors caught fire and caused considerable damage. The idea of heating for the basement was consequently dropped. Since the hydrogen cyanide in Zyklon B has an evaporation point of 78.3 degrees F., this temperature must be reached for a room to function either as a disinfestation or homicidal gas chamber. But these underground morgues were designed to stay cool to prevent decomposition of cadavers. Thus the difficulty of effectively heating these rooms may have been a reason to abandon use of them as disinfestation chambers. The forensic samples taken in the ruins of these basement rooms by Fred Leuchter indicate that very small amounts of Zyklon B were used there, amounts inconsistent with regular use as disinfestation or homicidal gas chambers. Also the gas-tight doors may have been retained to keep noxious smells contained within the rooms. [...] - A worker installing the ventilation systems for Crematoria Two and Three referred to Leichenkeller II as the "undressing room". (pp. 432-438) (In each building there were three basement rooms designated on the original drawings as morgues.) Pressac interprets something sinister from this, claiming this room was where those about to be gassed were persuaded to disrobe before going into Leichenkeller I to shower (and were gassed instead). But Leichenkeller II, in its true function as a morgue, was also the first room in which clothed corpses would have been unloaded to be undressed, searched for money, precious metals and gold teeth. This may have been repugnant but certainly not homicidal. ----- [End of questions and answers] -Dan Gannon Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech! ___________________________________________________________ | | | -=> How to access Banished CPU's public FTP Mail Server: | | Send regular Internet E-Mail to "FTPMAIL@BANISHED.COM". | | Include in your message the command "GET BANFTP-L.TXT". | |___________________________________________________________|
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