Archive/File: orgs/american/oregon/banished.cpu winston.refute From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate Message-ID: <1992Apr10.072640.26671@midway.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics References:Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:26:40 GMT Lines: 52 In article , ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes: > >From _The Daily Northwestern_ >(Northwestern University's newspaper), >Thursday, April 4, 1991: > > > THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? None of it is false. Ralph here presents a paid article in a newspaper, provided by a front for the IHR, as a newspaper article in the newspaper of a major univeristy. Bradley Smith claims gets the ads in by appealing to considerations of freedom of speech, and then Ralph Winston quotes it as if its a newspaper story. What Ralph Winston omits here is the one page rebuttal by the editorial staff of the Norwestern Newspaper, saying how the piece is a collection of anti-Semitic lies. He also omits the rebuttals and condemnation of the other newspaper at college campuses that either printed the add or refuses it. But this is how the IHR bunch treats historical sources in general; quoting out of context, etc. This comes from a group that is a front for hate groups that distribute white-supremicist and anti-Semitic propaganda. A couple of days ago, Ralph posted something from the NAAWP, a white supremicist organization connected to the KKK. All of the stuff from Ralph Winston and the rest of his friends at B-CPU should be read as propaganda from hate groups. None of it has any validity as history, as the American Historical Association, The Duke Univeristy Department of History, and other organizations have publically stated. > Ralph Winston >Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions. They put this line in so the IHR doesn't get sued again. The IHR has been sued for a variety of torts, and have lost. They continue to behave in the same manner that got them sued in the first place. Leon Gross I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV. From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) Subject: How Many Died? Message-ID: <1992Apr9.205855.23504@techbook.com> Summary: How many Jews were murdered by the Nazis? Keywords: Holocaust B-CPU Final Solution Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:58:55 GMT Lines: 63 According to Gerald Fleming's book "Hitler and the Final Solution", which required an immense amount of research, here are the Jewish Casualties Due to the Final Solution. (A footnote says: "It is impossible to establish a definitive, absolutely accurate total of victims. One can only say with certainty that the figure reaches the five million mark." At another point, Fleming also notes: "The precise count of those murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp alone cannot be given with complete, attestable certainty, for the Jews "cleared" (_abgeschafft_) from occupied Europe and deported to Auschwitz for liquidation were brought immediately "into the gas," without any prior registration in the camp index files. Reitlinger's [author of The Final Solution, 1971] figure for Auschwitz--700,000 gassed--is undoubtedly too low." German Reich (boundaries of 1938) 130,000 Austria 58,000 Belgium 26,000 Bulgaria 7,000 Czechoslovakia (boundaries of 1938) 245,000 France 64,000 Greece 58,000 Hungary & Carpatho-Ukraine 300,000 Italy 8,000 Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia 200,000 Luxembourg 3,000 Netherlands 101,800 Norway 677 Poland (boundaries of 1939) 2,700,000 Romania (boundaries prior to 1940) 220,000 USSR (boundaries prior to 1939) 800,000 Yugoslavia 54,000 ------- 4,975,477 Well, according to Fleming, 6 million Jews weren't killed by the Nazis -- only 5 million. But, of course, as the IHR will tell us, these figures are all lies: no Jews were gassed, no Jews were lined up in the woods outside Riga and gunned down by SS troops. Reichskommissar for the Ukraine Eric Koch didn't clear 175,000 acres of the Zuman district to establish a private hunting reserve, shooting down hundreds of villagers because it was impossible to "resettle" them. SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Franke-Gricksch never wrote a report entitled "Resettlement of the Jews" describing the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz, and their subsequent burning in the crematoria. (Hey, Ralph!, Franke-Gricksch says the capacity of the ovens is 10,000 in twenty-four hours.) Incidentally, Fleming pretty thoroughly demolishes Irving's thesis that Hitler wasn't aware of the Final Solution; according to Fleming, Hitler certainly ordered Himmler to carry out the extermination of the Jews and then insisted on what American presidents call "deniability" so that the shining image of the Chancellor would not be smudged. The boys at B-CPU are going to be scrubbing at that tarnish for a long time and old Adolph ain't never going to shine again. --Jeff Frane -- gummitch@techbook.COM Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) "Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson
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