Archive/File: orgs/australian/adelaide-institute/statement-of-collins Last-Modified: 1998/04/15 [Page 1] Jeremy Jones and members of the Committee of Management of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry on Behalf of those members of the Jewish community of Australia who are members of organisations affiliated to the Executive Council of Australian Jewry Complainant and Fredrick Toben on Behalf of the Adelaide Institute Respondent Witness Statement: Mr. Doug Collins, 413-606 14th Street, West Vancouver, B.C. V7T 2R3, Canada 22 October 1997 To whom it may concern: Dr. Fredrick Toben has asked me to comment on the Witness Statement by Mr. Jeremy Jones, which I do herewith. I am a Canadian journalist of nearly 50 years' experience who was born in the UK. I have worked for newspapers, radio and television, and spent many of those years as a columnist and commentator. I have been employed by the Vancouver Sun, the Vancouver Province, and The North Shore News, and have freelanced occasionally for The New York Times, The Times (London) and the Globe & Mail (Toronto). I have also written three books, one of which - POW A Soldier's Story Of His Ten Escapes From Nazi Prison Camps - was published in New York and London and concerned my war experiences. I retired in September. For some years after the Second World War I was a Political Intelligence Officer with the British Control Commission in Germany, and assisted with the de-Nazification programme in that country. It would be an understatement to say that the Holocaust is a delicate subject. To criticize in any way the version favoured by Jewish organisations is to arouse anger and calumny. 'Revisionists' are called neo-Nazis, racists, and anti-Semites (vide Mr. Jones). I am something of a revisionist myself and the Canadian Human Rights Commission [sic] concerning a column I wrote in 1993 on the movie Schindler's List, which I dared to call 'Swindler's List'. Schindler's wife having described him as such. [Enclosure 'A'] A hearing has been held on the case but to date no verdict has come down. The B.C. Press Council has intervened on behalf of myself and the North Shore News and the Council's lawyer put it well when he told the Tribunal that the B.C. 'human rights' laws "are an attempt to stifle speech that is not criminal" The case will probably reach the Supreme Court of Canada because it involves free speech and a free press. The price of freedom, as John Curran said, is eternal vigilance. And vigilance involves frankness regarding the attitude of Jewish organisations (as distinct from that of many individual Jews). It is an unfortunate fact that those organisations will 'boycott, hound, persecute and ultimately punish you' if you cross them, as the Adelaide Institute has reportedly stated. It is also true that, through government, taxpayers' money will be used to that end. In my case, the Jewish Congress's complaint has cost the North Shore News over $200,000, which is unrecoverable, irrespective of what decision the Tribunal arrives at. If the case gets to the Supreme Court of Canada the costs may reach $500,000. All of which is a warning to publishers to tread carefully. I need hardly remind Australians that Jewish complaints led to Mr. David Irving, the British historian, being hounded out of Australia (i.e., denied entry); or that for the same reason he was arrested, handcuffed, and deported from Canada on a farcical immigration pretext. Ernst Zundel, of Toronto, was before the courts for ten years before the Supreme Court of Canada struck down a law under which he was prosecuted. He is now facing costly 'human rights' complaints. It is frequently stated that the purpose of these actions is to 'protect the truth'. But as the English columnist Auberon Waugh has asked, "What kind of truth is it that needs protecting?" History - any history - must be open to scrutiny and comment. If it is not, freedom of speech and press suffers. That is the situation in today's Germany, where even scholarly, critical examination of the Holocaust is called denial and is therefore forbidden on pain of imprisonment. Such laws can best be described as heresy laws. The American writer Frank Miele states in his book, Giving The Devil His Due, that if the Holocaust is to be treated as a historical event, rather than as an article of religious faith, it must be subject to critical revision and treated no differently from the Battle of Waterloo or any other historical event. But some groups want only their version of history on the agenda. I do not dispute the horrors of Hitler's War, or the fact that large numbers of Jews - and others - died in the camps. I saw Bergen Belsen in 1945 and have visited Auschwitz. It must be stated.. though, that horror is not confined. I think of the massive air raid on Dresden when the war was nearly over, and of the fate of the millions of Germans who were pitilessly expelled, with great loss of life, from their ancient homelands in Eastern Germany and the Sudetenland. As a member of the Occupation Forces I witnessed those refugees flooding into the British Zone. Mr. Jones states that "the primary motivation for most deniers" is anti-Semitism. I, for one, am not anti-Semitic. What is at issue in 'revisionism' is not whether large numbers died in the camps, but whether there was a plan to exterminate the Jews. No plan has been produced. Reference is often made to the Wannsee Conference of 1942, where such a plan is said to have been hatched. But Dr. Yehuda Bauer, the Israeli Holocaust scholar, has been quoted in the New York Times as stating that that is "a silly story". In 1945, in North Germany I saw many thousands of Jews in refugee camps in the British Zone of Occupation. Why hadn't they been exterminated? Why are there still masses of survivors today? Of interest in that regard is that Anne Frank died in Bergen-Belsen of Typhus. Her father was put into hospital and survived. Why? Writer Elie Wiesel, who has made a fortune from writing about the Holocaust, elected to leave Auschwitz when the Russians were near. Why did he choose to do that with his deadly enemies? Once again, that is not to deny that Jews and others died in large numbers in the camps, often from hunger, more often from disease. Forty thousand Russians died in the environs of Stalag VIIIB after I had escaped from it. Nearly two millions died elsewhere in Germany. (And nearly two million Germans died in the USSR.) Mr. Jones's submission is full of rhetoric. which is a poor substitute for substance. The "underlying contention" or [sic] "deniers", he says, is that "Jews are dishonest and deceitful." That's an opinion, not a fact. What is fact is that the Holocaust has become a business deplored by many Jews, including Sir Immanuel Jakobovits ( now Lord Jakvits) the Chief Rabbi of Great Britain. Sir Immanuel was reported in the Jewish Chronicle of Dec. 4, 1987, as criticising "the existence of an entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers, film-makers, monument builders, museum planners and even politicians". And it has long been a joke in Israel itself that "there's no business like 'Shoah' (holocaust) business". Mr. Jones states that to deny the existence of the gas chambers is an offence to human decency. That is more rhetoric. Honest inquiry can only be an offence to those with an axe to grind, and history is constantly being revised. To imply that revisionists are inhuman is an unwarranted generalisation and a libel. He refers critically to website discussion of the 'Jewish-Bolshevik Holocaust'. But it is true that Russian Jews played a major part in the Russian Revolution. Trotzky, Kamenev, Litvinov and Zinoviev are but a few examples. Lazar Kaganovich directed the campaign against the 'Kulaks' in Ukraine, which caused millions of deaths. The fuss in Australia over Helen Darville's book `The Hand that Signed the Paper' enraged Jewish organisations because it described how Jewish communists operated in Ukraine. She described her book as 'faction' - fiction based on fact. Mr. Jones states that "holocaust denial is as potent a weapon as witchcraft in the past". which is a ridiculous and illogical statement. I also find that his references to revisionists as 'neo-Nazis' and 'racists' are emotional and illogical. Name-calling settles nothing. It should be borne in mind, too, that Holocaust critics have nothing to gain in their search for facts. Professor Robert Faurisson of France is a prime example. He has been fined, dismissed from his university and physically attacked to the point where he nearly lost his life. Other European academics have lost their employment. It is useful to read the book `The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses' by Paul Rassinier, now deceased, first published in France, later in the US. M. Rassinier was a French officer, a professor, a socialist, and a member of the Resistance who helped Jews to escape to Switzerland. He was caught and sent to concentration camps in Germany, where he nearly died. His book is a scholarly denial of the "planned extermination"' of the Jews, and a denial of the six million story and the gas chambers. Was he, too, an anti-Semite and a neo-Nazi? Post-war, it was frequently reported that gas chambers existed at Bergen-Belsen and other concentration camps in Western Germany. Moshe Peer of Montreal, a Jew, has written a book in which he claimed that as a child he was sent to the gas chambers in Bergen-Belsen six times, but got out of them with his life. Having seen that camp, I know there were no gas chambers there. If there had been, we would be seeing them all the time on television, the camp having been captured intact. Many Jewish authorities, including the Simon Wiesenthal Institute, have acknowledged that there were none in the former West Germany. Nevertheless, the myth persists, especially in the case of Dachau. But there were none there, either. See `Innocent at Dachau,' a book published in the US in 1992 by Joseph Halow, who for two years was an official court reporter at the Dachau War crimes Trial. No charges concerning gas chambers were ever laid against the many accused; nor were gas chambers ever mentioned. The single 'gas chamber' at Dachau was a delousing room. Similarly, the claim that Jews were melted down to make soap has been discredited, as has the 'lampshades out of human skin' myth . The article on Donald Watt in `The Weekend Australian' of March 29-30, 1997, entitled 'Shadow of Doubt'. should be of interest. Watt wrote a book - Stoker - in which he claimed to have been a stoker at the crematoria in Auschwitz and also an escaper. I had already ridiculed his story in a column ('Rambo Rough And Ready,' Sept. 4. 1996, North Shore News), in which I pointed out its impossibilities. Six months later, Jewish authorities world-wide stated his Auschwitz "experiences" could not have been true. They too showed that there were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen (which Watt also claimed to have seen). Watt's story was fiction. In his book `Why Did The Heavens Not Darken?', published in 1988, Arno Mayer, history professor at Princeton, and himself a Jew, states "Sources for the gas chambers are at one rare and unreliable", adding that "certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by natural causes than unnatural ones". The Holocaust death count keeps changing. The Polish government has reduced the four million alleged deaths at Auschwitz to between 1.1 million and 1.5 million. Jean-Claude Pressac, a 'pro-Holocaust' writer, now places the figure at around 750,000. David Irving puts it at 75,000 or less. In his six-volume `History of the Second World War', meanwhile, Sir Winston Churchill never mentioned the 'holocaust'. Nor does he make reference to gas chambers. Yet he had access to information from the secret Ultra intelligence system, was writing post-war, and was certainly no enemy of the Jews, whose persecution by the Nazis comes in for considerable mention in his memoirs. The above is, necessarily, no more than a skimpy review of the revisionist case. As for Mr. Jones, I would make these points: Claiming that "holocaust denial" is anti-Semitic does not make it so, no matter how many fellow Jews he quotes in support of that contention. Equally weak is his claim that anyone who "denies" is a neo-Nazi or a racist. Those are hate terms designed to squelch opinion. What Mr. Jones was doing during the war I don't know. I spent six years fighting Hitler, both in Germany and in the field. Yet by his standards I too would be a "neo-Nazi". Claiming that "holocaust denial" (or what he sees as such), is "likely to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" Jews is another ill-based assumption. It depends on whether people like Mr. Jones WANT to see it as an insult. If someone told me that the Second World War never took place I would laugh. If Mr. Jones is so sure of his case, why doesn't he laugh at the 'deniers'? As for intimidation, it is the critics of Jewish politics who are being intimidated. I could quote many instances. But perhaps the example of Australia's Terry Lane will suffice. An ABC broadcaster and newspaper columnist, he stated in an article that was reprinted in the Australian Jewish News of Dec. 4, 1992, that he would never again write on the subject of Israel or Palestine: "The Zionist lobby in this country is malicious, implacable, mendacious and dangerous... What's more, once the expression anti-Semitic hits the air, or, heaven forfend, the sacred six million is uttered... we are thrown to the jackals. I surrender. To the Zionists I say: you win; to the Palestinians: forgive my cowardice. " Offence and insult? As a veteran who fought against the Nazis, I find it insulting that the Jewish Congress complains to government about a column that in any case they are at liberty to dispute (and have disputed) via media channels. I also find it both tendentious and foolish of Mr. Jones to associate freedom of speech (see his 'h') with the "encouragement of terrorism". So is his suggestion that questioning aspects of the Holocaust is somehow connected with terrorism, dictatorship and "the rehabilitating of Nazism". (See his 3.3.5) Surely a belief of that kind can be likened to witchcraft! In conclusion, I know nothing about the Talmud or the Adelaide Institute's comments on it. Nor am I intimately acquainted with the work of the institute. But opinion is opinion, and as far as the statements attributed by Mr. Jones to Dr. Toben are concerned. the latter is every bit as entitled to his views as Mr. Jones is to his. Doug Collins
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