From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Sep 10 11:04:54 PDT 1996 Article: 35158 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6403781707e86fa3ea0640f9561a5787) From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Posted-Date: 10 Sep 1996 02:43:47 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 6:48:52 GMT Message-ID: <842338132$7040@atype.com> Subject: Militia Action Item Lines: 318 1ACR 6 Sept 96 NOTE: The following declaration of principle was crafted to be a response to HCR206 (the so-called "anti-militia resolution" in the House of Representatives). We think it makes plain the sources of, and the benficiaries of, domestic terrorism. It calls for hearings on the subjects of militias, terrorism and Oklahoma City. This statement will be released for the record on 11 September 1996, and a signed copy (with cover letter) forwarded to Senator Hatch. It is being given the widest circulation so as to solicit the greatest number of signatures. We ask all constitutional militia units to give it the widest circulation possible. In this process, copies will undoubtedly become available to the media. The media are reminded that this is not for release until 11 September and should be treated like every other delayed press release. Members of the fourth estate are also reminded that the story will be incomplete without the cover letter to Sen. Hatch. Also, its impact will be judged in part by how many signatures it garners (the exact numbers of course will not be available until 11 September). NOT FOR PUBLIC RELEASE UNTIL 1200HRS 11 SEPTEMBER 1996 26 August 1996 FR: 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Militia, Headquarters, Birmingham, Ala. TO: All Constitutional Militia Units; CONUS, Alaski, Hawaii & Puerto Rico. A CALL FOR RATIFICATION BY ALL CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA UNITS OF A STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE AGAINST TERRORISM AND TERRORISTS--- "THE ALABAMA DECLARATION": CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAS CONDEMN TERRORISM AND ALL TERRORISTS. Whereas, a long string of terrorist incidents from Oklahoma City to the Atlanta Olympics have been blamed (without one shred of proof) on the constitutional militias by the current federal administration and its willing lapdogs in the press; and Whereas, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Marshals Service have engaged in what are arguably "terrorist" operations against the American people at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, Waco, Texas, and other diverse places without punishment or meaningful condemnation by their superiors, the Congress or the courts; and Whereas, the bulk of the constitutional militias of the various United States have formed as a grass-roots response to such government-sponsored terrorism as well as the continued degradation of our Constitutional rights at the hands of the current federal administration; and Whereas, agents of the ATF and FBI have engaged in unconstitutional entrapment under the guise of so-called "sting" operations such as that against Bob Starr, a militia leader in Georgia, where ATF "confidential informants" provided the explosives and buried pipe bombs on Starr's property without his knowledge or approval, a "crime" for which Bob Starr languishes in jail without bond, in vain attempts to tie the constitutional militia movement to "terrorist" bomb plots; and Whereas, the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing has revealed that: ** That incident, which involved the mass murder of at least 168 innocent Americans, was the result of just such an ATF sting operation gone bad; and ** That the ATF (certainly) and the FBI (possibly) had advance knowledge of the bomb plot through the ATF-paid informant and German ex-army officer Andreas Carl Strassmeir; and ** That the probable bombers, assisted by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were a mixed bag of neo-Nazis and "Christian Identity" racists and anti-semites (including those from Elohim City, Oklahoma) who hope to ignite a civil war that will destroy the American Republic thus giving way to a Nazi American Reich; and ** That the ATF, FBI and elements of the Clinton Administration Justice Department (especially the Oklahoma City prosecutorial team members, past and present), have engaged in a coverup of the identity of "John Doe #2", Michael Brescia, Andreas Strassmeir's roommate at Elohim City, thus actively seeking to prevent the exposure to the American people of the government's prior knowledge of the conspiracy; and ** That the murders of Arkansas gundealer Bill Mueller and his family as well as the string of bank robberies committed by the "Aryan Republican Army" have links to Michael Brescia and the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy-- facts which the FBI investigators have refused to reveal or pursue, apparently in furtherance of the OKC coverup; and Whereas, in the Oklahoma City bombing and other operations, elements of various racist, Nazi and antisemitic groups (including Aryan Nations, White Aryan Resistance, the Army of Israel, the National Alliance, the Ku Klux Klan loyal to Louis Beam and others, and the "Christian Identity" movement's Phineas Priesthood cells), have shown themselves to be willing terrorist footsoldiers of the advocates of government repression; and ** That the Turner Diaries predict Nazi terrorists winning an American civil war that they initiate by provoking government repression of American gunowners; and ** That Bob Mathews, neo-Nazi "martyr" and founder of Der Buders Schweigen (The Silent Brotherhood, aka "The Order") issued a "Declaration of War against the so-called "Zionist Occupied Government, Jewish, black, Hispanic and Asian Americans and white "race traitors" who didn't agree with white supremacist goals and tactics; and ** That as recently as 3 August 1996, Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan Resistance (a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy) proclaimed on a national radio broadcast that: "that Declaration of War has never been rescinded."; and ** That the fortunes of the current federal administration have risen, begininning with the Oklahoma City bombing, in direct proportion to the number and severity of terrorist incidents; that now, after Dharan, TWA 800 and Atlanta, Clinton stands at his highest ratings in the polls and seems to be likely to win reelection; and ** That this resurgence of Clinton is celebrated in the neo-Nazi halls inhabited by William Pierce, Louis Beam and Richard Butler because they see in it the fulfillment of the Turner Diaries' scenario; and ** That while racist and antisemites may spout their hatred by every legal means, and may hide even incitement to murder behind our Constitutional shield, they may not kill with impunity their innocent fellow citizens (even small children) and call it "patriotism" and Whereas, while the white supremacists and the Clinton Administration may find common purpose in the exploitation of terrorism, the American Constitutional militia movement spontaneously mustered to combat terrorism from wherever it may appear-- an out-of-control federal bureaucracy or slimy purveyors of hatred who coldly use mass murder as a tool to destroy our Republic; and Whereas, when the white supremacists have attempted to infiltrate the constitutional militia movement they have been singularly unsuccessful; and ** That while the constitutional militia movement defends the Nazis' right to hold whatever opinions they wish about other races and religions, we wish to make it plain that we do not hold such opinions, nor do we condone discrimination and violent acts against others because of their faith or color of their skin; and ** That the "Christian Identity" movement is comprised of a broad spectrum of adherents and beliefs, and that only a small minority engage in, or condone, terrorism; and ** That the ranks of the constitutional militas are filled with men and women of all races, creeds, colors and religions; and ** That we condemn racism and bigotry as antithetical to our belief that all are "created equal" as Thomas Jefferson wrote, and are entitled to equal protection under the law; and ** That, when they are not trying to infiltrate us, the white supremacists' private opinions of the Constitutional militia movement is one of hatred and disdain, as journalist Jonathan Karl quoted "Pastor" Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations: "Richard Butler says he also hates the militia movement. 'They are not for the preservation of the white race, which means they are in line with government policy. They're actually traitors to the white race; they seek to integrate with blacks, Jews and others...I think they are a government-sponsored movement, maybe the CIA...A lot of people are white on the outside but black on the inside with a Jewish brain.'" and Whereas, the Fourth Estate-- our traditional media of newspapers and magazines (now joined by television news organizations) which were charged by the Founding Fathers as the watchdogs of liberty, have been unusually silent (through sloth or bias) on the brewing scandals of the Clinton Administration, of which the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy is but the most egregious example; and Whereas members of the present Congress have submitted a resolution purporting to convey "the sense of Congress" that shows no distinction between the Nazi terrorists and the Constitutional militia movement and calls for more repressive legislation to disarm Americans and further proscribe their fundamental, God-given and Constitutionally-guaranteed liberties; and Whereas, the Republican majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate have shown themselves unable to resist the blandishments of an unscrupulous President (bolstered by a lap-dog press) and have concurred in the passage of fundamentally anti-freedom legislation whose stated purpose is "counter-terrorism" but whose main effect will be to strip innocent Americans of their Constitutional liberties (especially those codified in the amendments known as the "Bill of Rights"), and to enlarge the powers of the already ominously powerful federal police agencies; and Whereas, the probable outcome of present trends is a Clinton re-election, which will likely be followed by an increasing point-counterpoint of terror incidents provoking government repressions, "ad infinitum, ad tyrannum"; and that this probable downward spiral of violence, unless arrested by the common efforts of all citizens, will lead to the death of our Republic. THEREFORE, BY THE UNDERSIGNED CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA ORGANIZATIONS, OFFICERS, NCOs AND CONSTITUTION-LOVING CITIZENS, BE IT RESOLVED THAT: 1. We will oppose terrorism by every legal means wherever we find it: within, without or hiding behind the current federal administration. 2. As the current reign of terror has not been curtailed by federal or state law enforcement, and as the present crop of terrorists (who can be demonstrated to be hiding behind the inaction of the current federal administration, as in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation) continue to walk the streets unquestioned and unsought, we pledge to: a.) petition such local and state authorities having jurisdiction to bring these known malefactors before recognized grand juries; b.) assist state and local authorities in bringing suspected criminals before the bar of justice; and c.) shelter any witnesses who wish to testify against such terrorists but who cannot without great risk to themselves or their families. 3. We do hereby petition the Republican majority in the House and Senate, especially the Senate Judiciary Committee chaired by Senator Orrin Hatch, as well as Senator Spector's subcommittee, to begin open hearings on the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, it's probable coverup by the Clinton Administration, and the true nature of the oppositional dynamics between the Constitutional militias and the white supremacist terrorists. 4. We call on all members of the Fourth Estate to investigate the facts uncovered by the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing and to print the truth as they find it, despite the pressure being brought to bear by the White House and the Justice Department to spike the story. 5. As Americans, we have sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. Terrorists who murder innocent Americans are surely ranked among such enemies. As the neo-Nazi terrorists have reminded us of their "Declaration of War" against all those with whom they disagree (even to the killing of innocent children), we swear that we will fight such terrorists by every legal means. Signatures: Michael B. Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col., 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia, et al. If you wish to sign on to the cover letter of the record copy to be sent to Senator Hatch, please contact 1ACR at (205) 681-0324 (phone); (205) 320-4540 (pager); or email to Mo10Cav@aol.com, or mail to P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Nom d'guerres are accepted, as long as they represent a real person. Please be sure to include the name of your unit, community, state, as you wish it to appear. No record will be kept of addresses, phone or fax numbers transmitting. If you wish to sign on to the declaration, you may do so by simply signing it and sending a copy directly on to Senator Hatch at the Senate Judiciary Committee. We would appreciate it if you would send us a copy (by one of the means above) so we can add your name to the record copy. From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 09:40:35 PDT 1996 Article: 35513 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (a7e666f8e6b64c7c45f29063c89686bf) From: "Arlin H. Adams"Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 13 11:13:53 AM CDT 1996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ahadams@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 16:18:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Message-ID: <842631484$19621@atype.com> Subject: The Alabama Declaration Lines: 577 Attached please find the Alabama Declaration, the cover letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch and instructions on how you may still sign onto it at the very end. PRESS RELEASE 13 September 1996 From: 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia. A comprehensive statement of principle on domestic terrorism was released today by a coalition of constitutional militia groups from all across the country. Signatures were still pouring in via fax, mail and email and will be included in the final for-the-record document that will be forwarded to the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch. The statement, entitled "The Alabama Declaration" after the residence of its authors and initial signatories, seeks to make plain the opposition of the constitutional militias to domestic terroism, provides details some of the known domestic terrorists from the racist fringe, and petitions Senator Hatch to open hearings on the subject of domestic terrorism and the militias. Attached you will find a copy of the cover letter to Sen. Hatch, as well as the Declaration. Members of the press are directed to Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR, as contact person who can provide both local and national spokesmen and women for expanatory interviews. The cover letter to Senator Hatch will not be for release until 12:00 P.M.EDT, 13 September 1996. The Declaration is quotable now. Members of the press who have already received copies of the declaration are cautioned that the wording has been subtly changed in a few areas. Please quote from this final version of the document. You may contact Mike Vanderboegh via pager (205) 320-4540 or fax (205) 320-2431 after Noon, EDT today. In a related development, members of the 51st Missouri Militia will be picketing a Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations get-together at Lone Jack, Missouri, Saturday morning, 14 September 1996. Copies of the 51st Missouri press release and other contact numbers are available from 1 ACR. Cover Letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch regarding the Alabama Declaration: 11 September 1996 The Honorable Orrin Hatch United States Senate Russell Building, Room 135 1st & C Streets Washington, D.C. Dear Senator Hatch, Attached please find a true copy of "The Alabama Declaration", a comprehensive statement of principle on domestic terrorism by the constitutional militias of the United States. Since the Oklahoma City bombing, so-called militia "experts" have been doing their best to tar our movement with the broad brush of terrorism and racism, equating us with the Ku Klux Klan and the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations among others. A particularly egregious practicioner of this neo-McCarthyism is Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, who has been raising millions of dollars from frightened donors by direct mail solicitations emblazoned with large red letters: "Militia Terrorist Update." His own hometown newspaper, the Montgomery Advertiser, has accused Dees of exploiting the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy by "Marketing the Militias." We would not begrudge Mr. Dees his fundraising dollars if his statements bore any sort of relation to the truth, at least insofar as they relate to the constitutional militia movement. Unfortunately in the fevered atmosphere following the Oklahoma City bombing, his inaccurate statements were passed along to the public by uninformed news outlets as the "gospel truth" and they inflamed an already volatile situation. It was to be expected that laws made under such circumstances of semi-hysteria would be imperfect and threatening to the liberties of innocent American citizens whose only "crime" was belonging to a "suspect" group or class whose opinions were not "politically correct." Such we believe was the case with the original "Terror Bill", and such we believe to be the case today with the legislation proposed by the Clinton Administration in the wake of the downing of TWA Flight 800 and the Olympic bombing in Atlanta. It is perhaps the height of irony that it was members of the Tri-States Militia of South Dakota who saved Mr. Dees from being targeted by a bomb crafted by a self-proclaimed "prophet" from Oklahoma named Willie Ray Lampley. We believe that the Lampley case is but one example of the truly anti-terrorist nature of the constitutional militia movement. In fact, we have nothing in common with terrorists, neo-Nazis or racist killers. We wish to make our position plain with this declaration, and we think it vital that the nation understands the true nature of domestic terrorism and terrorists BEFORE more "anti-terrorism" legislation is passed that will serve to further limit the traditional and natural liberties of Americans as codified in the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. We ask that hearings be held by the Senate Judiciary Committee to explore the relationship between the real domestic terrorists and the militias who oppose them. As citizens who have been long-slandered as "militia terrorists", we have been forced to make an in-depth study of the true nature of the real terrorists. We ask for the opportunity to correct the record, so that any further "anti-terrorism" action by the Congress may be guided by facts and not fear. Failing such hearings, the attached "Alabama Declaration" will document our principles on this subject for posterity. Long before the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Franklin warned that "those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Today, we are on the brink of trading many more of our liberties for non-existent safety than Mr. Franklin ever considered. "Terrorism" is the new bogeyman, and ever-increasing federal power and surrender of civil liberties is being marketed as the cure. We believe with Ben Franklin that the country and its citizens cannot be made safe by such a trade-off. Hearings that explore the exact nature of domestic terrorism, its proponents and opponents, would demonstrate this. We await your reply with great interest. Sincerely, Michael Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col.,1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Militia. Col. John Hassey, Alabama Constitutional Militia. Charli & Bill Gribble, Gadsden Minutemen, Alabama. Lance R. Crowe and Lance R. Crowe II, Southern Kentucky Citizens Militia Col. Wayne Yowell, 1st Kansas Militia. Col. Robert Wright, 1st Brigade, New Mexico Constitutional Militia. Col. Jim Strode, Commander, New Mexico Militia. Col. Nick Johnson, New Mexico Constitutional Volunteers. Col. Ray Smith, Texas Constitutional Militia. Stan Wilson, Thomas D. Fey and David Costello, 4th Brigade, Indiana Militia. Rick Kann, East Coast Command Unit, Constitutional Militia of Florida. Del Wasso and Larry Vandewalle, Northern Illinois Militia. Robert Ireland, Constitutional militia supporter and activist, Mendocino County, Northern California. Gen. Terry Hicks, South Carolina Civilian Militia. Richard Howard King, VOTERS Militia, Lubbock County, Lubbock, Texas. Arlin Adams, citizen, Northern Virginia. Attached: The Alabama Declaration. ************************************************************************************************************ "THE ALABAMA DECLARATION": CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAS CONDEMN TERRORISM AND ALL TERRORISTS. Whereas, a long string of terrorist incidents from Oklahoma City to the Atlanta Olympics have been blamed (without one shred of proof) on the constitutional militias by the current federal administration and its willing lapdogs in the press; and Whereas, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Marshals Service have engaged in what are arguably "terrorist" operations against the American people at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, Waco, Texas, and other diverse places without punishment or meaningful condemnation by their superiors, the Congress or the courts; and Whereas, the bulk of the constitutional militias of the various United States have formed as a grass-roots response to such government-sponsored terrorism as well as the continued degradation of our Constitutional rights at the hands of the current federal administration; and Whereas, agents of the ATF and FBI have engaged in unconstitutional entrapment under the guise of so-called "sting" operations such as that against Bob Starr, a militia leader in Georgia, where ATF "confidential informants" provided the explosives and buried pipe bombs on Starr's property without his knowledge or approval, a "crime" for which Bob Starr languishes in jail without bond, in vain attempts to tie the constitutional militia movement to "terrorist" bomb plots; and Whereas, the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing has revealed that: ** That incident, which involved the mass murder of at least 168 innocent Americans, was the result of just such an ATF sting operation gone bad; and ** That the ATF (certainly) and the FBI (possibly) had advance knowledge of the bomb plot through the ATF-paid informant and German ex-army officer Andreas Carl Strassmeir; and ** That the probable bombers, assisted by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were a mixed bag of neo-Nazis and self-described "Christian Identity" racists and anti-semites from Elohim City, Oklahoma, who hope to ignite a civil war that will destroy the American Republic thus giving way to a Nazi American Reich; and ** That the ATF, FBI and elements of the Clinton Administration Justice Department (especially the Oklahoma City prosecutorial team members, past and present), have engaged in a coverup of the identity of "John Doe #2", Michael Brescia, Andreas Strassmeir's roommate at Elohim City, thus actively seeking to prevent the exposure to the American people of the government's prior knowledge of the conspiracy; and ** That the murders of Arkansas gundealer Bill Mueller and his family as well as the string of bank robberies committed by the "Aryan Republican Army" have links to Michael Brescia and the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy-- facts which the FBI investigators have refused to reveal or pursue, apparently in furtherance of the OKC coverup; and Whereas, in the Oklahoma City bombing and other operations, elements of various racist, Nazi and antisemitic groups (including Aryan Nations, White Aryan Resistance, the Army of Israel, the National Alliance, adherents of Louis Beam, and self-described "Christian Identity" Phineas Priesthood cells), have shown themselves to be willing terrorist footsoldiers of the advocates of government repression; and ** That the Turner Diaries predict Nazi terrorists winning an American civil war that they initiate by provoking government repression of American gunowners; and ** That Bob Mathews, neo-Nazi "martyr" and founder of Der Buders Schweigen (The Silent Brotherhood, aka "The Order") issued a "Declaration of War" against the so-called Zionist Occupied Government, Jewish, black, Hispanic and Asian Americans and white "race traitors" who didn't agree with white supremacist goals and tactics; and ** That as recently as 3 August 1996, Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan Resistance (a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy) proclaimed on a national radio broadcast that: "that Declaration of War has never been rescinded."; and ** That the fortunes of the current federal administration have risen, begininning with the Oklahoma City bombing, in direct proportion to the number and severity of terrorist incidents; that now, after Dharan, TWA 800 and Atlanta, Clinton stands at his highest ratings in the polls and seems to be likely to win reelection; and ** That this resurgence of Clinton is celebrated in the neo-Nazi halls inhabited by William Pierce, Louis Beam and Richard Butler because they see in it the fulfillment of the Turner Diaries' scenario; and ** That while racist and antisemites may spout their hatred by every legal means, and may hide even incitement to murder behind our Constitutional shield, they may not kill with impunity their innocent fellow citizens (even small children) and call it "patriotism" and Whereas, while the white supremacists and the Clinton Administration may find common purpose in the exploitation of terrorism, the American Constitutional militia movement spontaneously mustered to combat terrorism from wherever it may appear-- an out-of-control federal bureaucracy or slimy purveyors of hatred who coldly use mass murder as a tool to destroy our Republic; and Whereas, when the white supremacists have attempted to infiltrate the constitutional militia movement they have been singularly unsuccessful; and ** That while the constitutional militia movement defends the Nazis' right to hold whatever opinions they wish about other races and religions, we wish to make it plain that we do not hold such opinions, nor do we condone discrimination and violent acts against others because of their faith or color of their skin; and ** That the "Christian Identity" movement is comprised of a broad spectrum of adherents and beliefs, and that only a small minority engage in, or condone, terrorism; and ** That the ranks of the constitutional militas are filled with men and women of all races, creeds, colors and religions; and ** That we condemn racism and bigotry as antithetical to our belief that all are "created equal" as Thomas Jefferson wrote, and are entitled to equal protection under the law; and ** That, when they are not trying to infiltrate us, the white supremacists' private opinions of the Constitutional militia movement is one of hatred and disdain, as journalist Jonathan Karl quoted "Pastor" Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations: "Richard Butler says he also hates the militia movement. 'They are not for the preservation of the white race, which means they are in line with government policy. They're actually traitors to the white race; they seek to integrate with blacks, Jews and others...I think they are a government-sponsored movement, maybe the CIA...A lot of people are white on the outside but black on the inside with a Jewish brain.'" and Whereas, the Fourth Estate-- our traditional media of newspapers and magazines (now joined by television news organizations) which were charged by the Founding Fathers as the watchdogs of liberty, have been unusually silent (through sloth or bias) on the brewing scandals of the Clinton Administration, of which the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy is but the most egregious example; and Whereas members of the present Congress have submitted a resolution purporting to convey "the sense of Congress" that shows no distinction between the Nazi terrorists and the Constitutional militia movement and calls for more repressive legislation to disarm Americans and further proscribe their fundamental, God-given and Constitutionally-guaranteed liberties; and Whereas, the Republican majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate have shown themselves unable to resist the blandishments of an unscrupulous President (bolstered by a lap-dog press) and have concurred in the passage of fundamentally anti-freedom legislation whose stated purpose is "counter-terrorism" but whose main effect will be to strip innocent Americans of their Constitutional liberties (especially those codified in the amendments known as the "Bill of Rights"), and to enlarge the powers of the already ominously powerful federal police agencies; and Whereas, the probable outcome of present trends is a Clinton re-election, which will likely be followed by an increasing point-counterpoint of terror incidents provoking government repressions, "ad infinitum, ad tyrannum"; and that this probable downward spiral of violence, unless arrested by the common efforts of all citizens, will lead to the death of our Republic. THEREFORE, BY THE UNDERSIGNED CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA ORGANIZATIONS, OFFICERS, NCOs AND CONSTITUTION-LOVING CITIZENS, BE IT RESOLVED THAT: 1. We will oppose terrorism by every legal means wherever we find it: within, without or hiding behind the current federal administration. 2. As the current reign of terror has not been curtailed by federal or state law enforcement, and as the present crop of terrorists (who can be demonstrated to be hiding behind the inaction of the current federal administration, as in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation) continue to walk the streets unquestioned and unsought, we pledge to: a.) petition such local and state authorities having jurisdiction to bring these known malefactors before recognized grand juries; b.) assist state and local authorities in bringing suspected criminals before the bar of justice; and c.) shelter any witnesses who wish to testify against such terrorists but who cannot without great risk to themselves or their families. 3. We do hereby petition the Republican majority in the House and Senate, especially the Senate Judiciary Committee chaired by Senator Orrin Hatch, as well as Senator Spector's subcommittee, to begin open hearings on the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, it's probable coverup by the Clinton Administration, and the true nature of the oppositional dynamics between the Constitutional militias and the white supremacist terrorists. 4. We call on all members of the Fourth Estate to investigate the facts uncovered by the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing and to print the truth as they find it, despite the pressure being brought to bear by the White House and the Justice Department to spike the story. 5. As Americans, we have sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. Terrorists who murder innocent Americans are surely ranked among such enemies. As the neo-Nazi terrorists have reminded us of their "Declaration of War" against all those with whom they disagree (even to the killing of innocent children), we swear that we will fight such terrorists by every legal means. Signatures: (Representative sample of those received so far. Many, many more arrived too late for this copy of the declaration but will be on final record copy.) ALABAMA *Col. John Hassey, Alabama Constitutional Militia. *Mike Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col., 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia. *Major Smith, XO, 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia. *Lt. Jones, 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia, HQ Company. *"George Mason." *Charli and Bill Gribble, Gadsden Minutemen. *Sons of Liberty, Southern Command. *Sons of Liberty, Birmingham. *Sons of Liberty, Huntsville. *Sons of Liberty, Decatur. *Sons of Liberty, Montgomery. *Sons of Liberty, Dothan. *Sons of Liberty, Mobile. *Sons of Liberty, Tuscumbia/Florence. *Peter Salem Sniper Platoon, Birmingham. *Dogtown Ranger Platoon (Psyops). CALIFORNIA *Robert Ireland, Constitutional Militia Supporter and Activist, Mendocino County, Northern California. *Alan Russell, Acting Chairman, Ojai Jural Society/Militia, Oakview, California Republic. FLORIDA *Rick Kann, East Coast Command Unit, Constitutional Militia of Florida. *Sons of Liberty, Pensacola. *Sons of Liberty, Panama City. GEORGIA *Sons of Liberty, Atlanta. *Sons of Liberty, Macon. *Sons of Liberty, Savannah. *Free State of Nickajack Militia. ILLINOIS *Del Wasso, Commander, Northern Illinois Minutemen. *Larry Vandewalle, Public Information Officer, Northern Illinois Minutemen. *John Drinkard, Sons of Liberty, Midwest Command. *The Normal Light Infantry Regiment (all officers and NCOs). *Sons of Liberty, Chicago. *Sons of Liberty, Springfield. *Sons of Liberty, Waukegon. *Sons of Liberty, Urbana. *Sons of Liberty, Moline. INDIANA *Sons of Liberty, Indianapolis. *Sons of Liberty, Evansville. *Sons of Liberty, South Bend. *Stan Wilson, Regimental Commander, 4th Brigade, Hancock County. *David Costello, Commander, 4th Brigade, Delaware County. *Paul Ziaz, Captain, 4th Brigade, Marion County. *Rick Earnest, Captain, 4th Brigade, Marion County. *Gary Porter, 4th Brigade, Hancock County. *R. Bowling, 4th Brigade, Delaware County. *V. Bowling, 4th Brigade, Delaware County. *Thomas D. Fey, Brigade Commander, 4th Brigade, Marion County. *Chris Bernatti, 1st Lieutenant, 4th Brigade, Delaware County. *Ron Thomas, 4th Brigade, Henry County. *D. Adams, Capt., 5th Brigade, Brown County. *S. Wilson, 4th Brigade, Marion County. *Wayne B., 4th Brigade, Marion County. *Joan B., 4th Brigade, Marion County. KANSAS *Col. Wayne Yowell, 1st Kansas Militia. KENTUCKY *Lance R. Crowe, Public Information Officer,Southern Kentucky Citizens Militia. *Lance R. Crowe II, Southern Kentucky Citizens Militia. *Robert D. Baker. *Sons of Liberty, Henderson. *Sons of Liberty, Frankfort. LOUISIANA *Sons of Liberty, Baton Rouge. MISSISSIPPI *Sons of Liberty, Jackson. *Tishomingo Rangers, Mississippi State Militia. *Sons of Liberty, Corinth. NEW JERSEY *Ken Bliss, New Jersey Militia. NEW MEXICO *Col. Bob Wright, 1st Brigade, New Mexico Militia. *Col. Strode, Commander, New Mexico Militia. *Col. Nick Johnson, Commander, New Mexico Constitutional Volunteers, 1st Ranger Detachment, 191st Psychological Warfare Battalion. NORTH CAROLINA *Sons of Liberty, Raleigh-Durham. OHIO *Sons of Liberty, Columbus. *Sons of Liberty, Cincinnati. *Sons of Liberty, Cleveland. *Sons of Liberty, Marion. *Sons of Liberty, Mansfield. *Sons of Liberty, Portsmouth. *Sons of Liberty, Bowling Green. *Sons of Liberty, Zanesville. OREGON *Bill Vonbrandt, Guardian, Rednet One, Pacific Northwest. SOUTH CAROLINA *Gen. Terry Hicks, State Commander, South Carolina Civilian Militia. TENNESSEE *Sons of Liberty, Memphis. *Sons of Liberty, Nashville. *Sons of Liberty, Chattanooga. *Sons of Liberty, Knoxville. *Sons of Liberty, Jackson. *Sons of Liberty, Columbia. *West Tennessee Light Infantry Regiment, Tennessee Constitutional Militia. TEXAS *Richard Howard King, VOTERS Militia, Lubbock County, Lubbock, Texas. *Bill Utterback, Volunteer, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional Militia, Past Commander, Southern Region, Texas Constitutional Militia. *Ann Utterback, Volunteer, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional Militia, Past Commander, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional Militia. *"Patrick Henry." *Col. Ray Smith, Texas Constitutional Militia. VIRGINIA *Arlin Adams. *Sons of Liberty, Richmond. NO STATE LISTED *Thom Slape. *North444. *Thomas Mick, 10 USC 301. NOTE TO OTHER PROSPECTIVE SIGNERS OF THE "ALABAMA DECLARATION" Time constraints and technical difficulties were but two of the obstacles encountered in the circulation of this Declaration. The "unorganized militia" is at present, well, unorganized. It may take a couple of weeks for this declaration to filter down to all the ranks, and out into the hinterlands. If you wish to sign on to the record copy to be sent to Senator Hatch, after the 11 September 96 cutoff, please contact Mike Vanderboegh at (205) 681-0324 (phone); (205) 320-4540 (pager); or email to Mo10Cav@aol.com, or mail to P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Nom d'guerres are accepted, as long as they represent a real person. Please be sure to include the name of your unit, community, state, as you wish it to appear. No record will be kept of addresses, phone or fax numbers. Simply send a message, a short letter or note, saying "I endorse The Alabama Declaration," sign it and send one copy to Senator Hatch's Salt Lake City Office, Attn: Ron Madson, 125 So. State 8402 Federal Building, Salt Lake City, UT 84138 (Phone: 801-524-4380) . Mr. Madson will forward it on to the Senator and the staff at the Senate Judiciary Committee. We would appreciate it if you would send us a copy (by one of the means above) so we can add your name to the record copy. Deadline for receipt of your endorsement in order to make it onto the record copy is now 20 September. From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 4 18:18:19 PDT 1996 Article: 37309 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (b413c99f7d86702133035b6024a3e702) From: "Arlin H. Adams" Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Oct 02 8:31:53 AM PDT 1996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ahadams@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 15:33:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Message-ID: <844270410$1431@atype.com> Subject: John Doe Times Vol II Number 1 Lines: 700 JOHN DOE TIMES Vol. II, No. 1 30 September 1996 IN THIS ISSUE WE ASK THE MUSICAL QUESTION: "WHAT IS MICHAEL (JOHN DOE #2) BRESCIA DOING SITTING ON HIS DADDY'S FRONT PORCH IN PHILLY, WITH ESTHER MILLAR, HIS COLDHEARTED NAZI-BITCH FILLY, WHILE THE FBI LIES AND PLAYS WITH ITS LITTLE WILLY? COULD IT BE THE REELECTION OF KING BILLY?" The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right 1996. Feel free to copy this anywhere, just quote us correctly. Direct email responses to Mo10Cav@aol.com. Direct snail mail and neo-nazi letter bombs to John Doe Times, P.O.Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request for directions to the ex-Director. "Is he, or isn't he? Only his paymaster knows for sure." By order of the Head Cheese, visitors to the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal reservations. Sic semper rodentia. "Roll the videotape, Fred." "Remember, we're watching, and we ain't your big brother." IN THIS ISSUE: 1. THE CRACKING SOUND YOU HEAR IS THE GOVERNMENT'S COVERUP FALLING APART, THE THUD IS ANOTHER OKC WITNESS DROPPING DEAD-- 2. THE GRUNTING AND SCUFFLING YOU HEAR IS THE OKC CONSPIRATORS FALLING OUT AMONGST THEMSELVES--- 3. WHERE WAS KIRK LYONS THE DAY THE BUILDING BLEW AND WAS THERE A CALENDAR ON THE TRAIL? 4. WHY IS HOLLAWAY "GONE TO TEXAS"? COULD IT BE HE GOT A ZIMMERMAN TELEGRAM? 5. MEET MICHAEL "DON CORLEONE" BRESCIA (OR, WHAT WERE "PINKY AND THE BRAIN" DOING IN THAT TULSA TITTY BAR?) But first, a note from our Editor: Well, folks, we've been gone so long. Did you miss us? There's ever so much to tell. Of course, as most of you know we've been busy with the Alabama Declaration this past month. A comprehensive statement by the constitutional militias on terrorism and terrorists, the Declaration was delivered to Sen. Orrin Hatch and other congresscritters last week. Morris Dees, we are reliably told, doesn't know whether to defecate or go sightless. We are definitely messing with his militia=terrorist medicine show. Tom Metzger, Dees old nemesis, is also on record as not liking us one darn bit, too. Metzger and Dees argeeing on something. Who'd a thunk it? What strange bedfellows THEY make. Of course, knowing what we know about Dees sexual predelictions courtesy of his second ex-wife, perhaps not so strange. It's a cheap shot, I know, but I couldn't resist it. I just don't understand how one little old militia-feller like me could make so many enemies by just telling the truth as I see it. Heck, I even hear from my Philly friends that Mikey Brescia (John Doe #2) doesn't like ME very much either. Go figure. Wait till the Pennsy militia starts putting up "Unindicted Terrorist Baby Killer" wanted posters in his neighborhood. Hoo, boy! He might even try to have somebody take a whack at me. Who knows, maybe he already has. Of course, he's got to know that the FBI (and others more trustworthy) are up his wahzoo with a rectal microscope. He likely doesn't fart without deafening half-a-dozen eavesdroppers. But I hope he does send someone. I do hope so. That's what we designed the Rat Trap for in the first place. To come to you, they have to show themselves. Come across the floor, Mr. Rat. While we watch you, videotape you, measure your respirations. Come get the cheese, rodent. The only question is: are you a Willard or a Ben? Well, enough movie trivia for one issue. Yes, folks, John Doe # 2 is indeed back in his old stomping grounds of the City of Brotherly Love, the Liberty Bell and Rocky. Living with his parents Mr. & Mrs. William M. Brescia (and his lovely Nazi-Gal-pal Esther Millar, described by one acquaintance as "Miss Oklahoma Nazi Ice Princess, 1995") at 859 Manatawna Avenue, Philadelphia, PA 19128, in case you want to write him a love letter. Be careful, now-- Esther's reputed to be a very jealous lady (I guess she doesn't know about the Kansas girls or the Oklahoma striptease joint). "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," the Bard sez, but then again if they're married, she can't be forced to testify against him, now can she? Nor, I daresay, can he be compelled to testify against her. How perfectly neat. What a dowry. Can this be the source of their connubial bliss? If they don't get along, they BOTH fry? Arrests and rumors of arrests....Brescia, as longtime readers of "John Doe #2 Identified, But Can we Get The FBI To Arrest Him?" know, has been rumored to be on the verge of arrest in the "Commander Pedro and the Lost Planet Aryans" bank robbery case for months now. The source of these rumors, it can now be told, is our dauntless FBI. If you get the idea somebody's been lying like our esteemed Arkansan President, you're right. There are a number of lying-sacks-of-excrement at Louis Freeh's FBI, most of whom are close to the Director. The FBI command echelon has been playing a stalling game-- stalling until after the election, stalling at the urging of the Justice Department, stalling because they've been ordered to by the White House. They're desperate to stop the leaks, desperate to delay the arrest of Brescia (which will collapse the OKC coverup by leading to Strassmeir). They lie to buy a day or a week, then lie again to buy another day, another week. In the meantime George Stephanopolous is on the line to the network honchos "urging caution". There are good men in the Bureau who watch this day in and day out and it makes them want to puke. It should. Doubtless when someone finally gets around to asking them a question or two under oath, Louis Freeh will be faced with the prospect of arrest or Arkancide. Poor Louis. Another OKC witness has died in mysterious circumstances. Details below. In fairness to the FBI (and before longtime readers jump to the conclusion that like the Muellers and Guthrie the FBI muffed it again), the Wilburn investigation was ahead of the FBI curve in this area of the inquiry. They didn't know about the girl long enough to have protected her, even had they been so inclined. J.D. Cash scooped the FBI on this one. Of course, we have many other such scoops and headlines to go before that glorious day that Louis Freeh is hauled off in irons or a body bag. Watch for some of them this week. Yeah, for real. The horserace is about to start. Watch who gets trampled. -- Mike Vanderboegh, horse trainer and side-bet holder. Editor, John Doe Times & Head Cheese of the Rat Trap. "Come into my parlor, said the militia-spider to the nazi-fly." EDITOR'S NOTE: THIS ISSUE OF JOHN DOE TIMES IS DEDICATED TO GLEN WILBURN OF OKLAHOMA CITY, WHO IS RECOVERING NICELY AFTER MAJOR SURGERY-- GET WELL, PARTNER. WE HOPE THIS ISSUE MAKES YOU SMILE. 1. THE CRACKING SOUND YOU HEAR......... One more time, from the best little newspaper in Oklahoma, a breaking story in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation: McCurtain Daily Gazette, Wednesday, 25 September 1996, Page One. IS A VIDEOTAPE FROM A TULSA TOPLESS BAR THE "SMOKING GUN" IN OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING? By J.D. Cash A videotape recorded from a security camera mounted in the dressing room of a Tulsa topless bar may prove to be the "smoking gun" in the Oklahoma City bombing -- eventually establishing the identities of certain key members of the conspiracy, their whereabouts at a critical point in the plan, and, most incredibly, the cold-blooded spirit which motivated America's worst act of domestic terrorism. Obtained from "Lady Godiva's", the April 8, 1995 videotape reveals stunning conversations from dancers discussing customers in the bar that night who bragged of the upcoming April 19, 1995, bombing of the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. Possibly the most shocking portion of the tape occurs when one of the dancers walks into the dressing room at 8:37 p.m., approaches two other girls and begins relaying a conversation she'd just had with a customer. The first part of the conversation is difficult to ascertain. But eventually the girl is clearly heard saying, "And he said, 'I'm a very smart man.'....'You are?'....'Yes, I am.'....'And on April 19, 1995, you'll remember me for the rest of your life!'" Laughing, she says, "Oh, really?" "Yes you will," she says he responded. Smiling wide, the dancer starts to walk out of the dressing room where the security camera was located, then turns back to the other girls and says, "Weirdo," before returning out front. Only minutes later, the same girl reappears in the dressing room. At this time, she strikes up a conversation with another girl, Shawn Tea, who is combing her hair in front of a mirror. "You know those guys I'm sitting out there with? Well, one of them says he's looking for a girl to fool around with tonight. Are you interested?" Replies Shawn tea: "Oh, I can't do that stuff all weekend." After discussing money, Shawn Tea says, "Well, OK, I'll figure out a way to scam 'em. Shortly after reveiwing the tape last Thursday afternoon, the Gazette began interveiwing various witnesses who were in the club the night of April 8, 1995. Using a photo spread of more than a dozen different individuals, positive identification of two men have been made so far. But since one of the witnesses, Shawn Tea Farrens, 23, was found dead in her apartment the same afternoon this newspaper began its investigation, the GAZETTE has elected not to release the names of the remaining witnesses-- or the photos they have identified--- until federal and state law enforcement authorities receive a copy of the video and have had an opportunity to proceed with their investigation. Shawn Tea Farrens was believed to be alone at the time of her death, and authorities are still investigating what they speculate may be a drug-related overdose or suicide. Significantly, a member of the security force at "Lady Godiva's" reported a yellow moving van was parked outside the topless dance club the night of April 8, 1995. The description provided by the security man matches those of witnesses in Oklahoma and Kansas who said there was a second truck used in the conspiracy. The second truck did not have Ryder identification but was apparently once a rental truck that had been sold to a private buyer, witnesses said. As the GAZETTE has previously reported, this truck is believed by many to have been used to haul ingredients for the bomb that were later transferred to a 1993 Ryder rental truck that the government alleges was rented by indicted bomb conspirator Timothy McVeigh. As this newspaper also reported earlier, witnesses describe seeing men working in the cargo hold of an older faded yellow truck at geary Lake, Kansas, on April 10-12, 1995. Federal prosecutors, though, told the Oklahoma City federal grand jurors who indicted McVeigh and Terry Nichols that the bomb was not built at Geary Lake until the morning of April 18, 1995. The government also contends that Timothy McVeigh rented the Ryder truck used in the Oklahoma City bombing at Junction City, Kansas, on the afternoon of April 17, 1995. The GAZETTE had learned earlier that there was never ANY evidence presented to the federal grand jury about the existence of a second truck. But several witnesses quoted in previous GAZETTE stories had clear recollections that McVeigh was seen with an older faded yellow moving van at the Dreamland Motel in Junction City, Kansas, on April 15-16, 1995. Since motel records indicate that McVeigh did not check into the Dreamland until April 14, confusion over witnesses who reported seeing a truck at Geary Lake on April 10-12 have caused many to dismiss their reports--- and thus, the whole second truck theory. If, however, it is established that McVeigh and others were in Tulsa on April 8, 1995, with such a truck, then it may have significance: Authorities may be able to establish important new links in the conspiracy through registration records of similar trucks in the eastern Oklahoma area. It is undisputed that indicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols left for Michigan on April 5, 1995, and did not return to Herington, Kansas until April 10. And, according to motel registration and telephone records linked to McVeigh, he checked into a Kingman, Arizona motel on April 5 and paid for a room through April 12. For that reason, it has been assumed that McVeigh stayed in the Kingman area for the entire period. But closer examination of the telephone calls made from his motel room indicate a clear pattern-- steady phone activity until April 7, when they cease, not resuming until noon on April 11. Such a gap in the telephone calls could mean McVeigh flew from the Kingman area to eastern Oklahoma or western Arkansas for the purpose of picking up the second truck truck. Only two days later, witness statements indicate the truck showing up at geary Lake in Kansas. Thus, McVeigh may have boarded a flight back to Arizona after delivering the truck to the Kansas location where, authorities say, soil samples at the lake indicate the ingredients for the bomb were mixed. It is not merely idle speculation that McVeigh flew to eastern Oklahoma or western Arkansas to pick up the second truck. Records subpeonad by the government indicate McVeigh may have made suc a trip to Fort Smith, Ark., between March 31 and April 14, 1995. Curiously, an employee of the airport taxi service in Fort Smith could not elaborate on why the taxi firm's records for that period were seized by federal agents working on what the government calls the "OKBOMB" case. Worth noting is a telephone call widely reported to have been made by McVeigh on April 5, 1995, from Kingman, Arizona to Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma. Elohim City, a white separatist compound that has received widespread publicity because of possible links to the bombing, sprawls over some 1,000 acres near the Oklahoma-Arkansas border-- just a few miles from Fort Smith, Arkansas. According to residents at the retreat, McVeigh left a message when he called on April 5, 1995, saying he'd be visiting soon. Residents deny, though, that McVeigh ever actually visited Elohim City. END OF McCURTAIN DAILY GAZETTE STORY. My comments at the end of this newsletter, under the heading Meet Michael "Don Corleone" Brescia.... 2. The Grunting and Scuffling You Hear.... The press is full of stories about how the Nichols and McVeigh defense teams (and their respective clients) have squared off in a "He did it..No, HE did it" oppositional mode. While interesting, it likely will not have as much impact as the story most of you didn't read, in the Tulsa World, Tuesday, 24 September 1996---- McVEIGH SEEKS TULSAN'S FILES By Julie DelCour, World Staff Writer Information about a Tulsan once associated with the Ku Klux Klan heads a list of subpeonaed material sought by bombing defendant Timothy McVeigh from the Central Intelligence Agency and 61 other agencies. Bombing prosecutors are fighting to block the subpeonas. In court papers released Monday, chief bombing prosecutor Joseph Hartzler said that the defense already has sought identical information from prosecutors through the regular discovery process. He said there is no reason individual agencies should comply. **************************************************** Transcriber's Note: Oh, I don't know. Maybe the Jones team has heard about White House documents being turned over (in different versions) to the Congress and the Washington Times. Ooops! Just maybe they want to see if the two versions match. Schmart, veddy, veddy schmart. ***************************************************** The September 6 subpeonas request all investigative files on Tulsan Dennis Mahon, "including any report or incident that he has been involved or may have been involved in the planning or conspiring of violent acts against U.S. property, employees or citizens." ******************************************************* Transcriber's Note: What!! Little Timmy McVeigh is trying to throw it back on Dennis Mahon after all the nice things Megalomaniacal Mahon has said about Timmy? As in, during a recent shortwave radio show: "If we had a hundred Tim McVeighs, the white people of this country would have their freedom by now..." and...."the army lost a good man when it lost you, Tim." Dennis didn't say WHICH army, exactly.... ********************************************************* They also seek travel records of Mahon indicating that he has been to france, Germany, Great Britain or Canada. Mahon-- a former KKK leader--- *********************************************************** Transcriber's Note: And the guy that Kirk Lyons had such nice things to say about in his Volkstrue interview.... ************************************************************ --repeatedly has told the Tulsa World that he had no involvement in the bombing. ************************************************************* Transcriber's note: Oh. of course not. Who'd ever suspect Dennis? ************************************************************** He said he has visited Germany and Canada but has not visited Great Britain. Mahon also said he was friends with Andreas Strassmeir, a former resident of Elohim City, a white separatist community near Muldrow. The subpeonas seek information on Strassmeir relating to "so-called neo'Nazi activities." ********************************************************* Transcriber's Note: Boy, Timmy sure is dissing his old "boyz in the hoods." Hell, he's a member in good standing of the "New Order", as they are said to be calling the reincarnation of Der Bruder's Schweigen ("New Order"? Well, nobody ever said these yerks were original). Mikey Brescia is another member of the "New Order." And now Timmy, who's held it all in silence for so long, starts calling them "so-called neo-Nazis"? Betcha their gettin' a little nervous about Timmy rolling over on 'em. *********************************************************** According to phone records, McVeigh attempted to call Elohim City about two weeks before the bombing. Strassmeir has said he met McVeigh at a Tulsa gun show more than a year before the bombing and gave him a card with his Elohim City phone number. ************************************************************* Transcriber's Note: Sure, and I'm sure the conversation went something like this: "Ring-Ring--" AS: "Hallo?" TM: "Hey, Andy, this is Tim, Tim McVeigh. Listen you don't know me from Adam's off-ox but I met you at a gun show about a year ago and I just found your card." AS: "Yeah?" TM: "Yeah, and what I was thinking was how about I fly into Fort Smith and you and your buddy Mike Brescia meet me at the airport in a used yellow rental van, and then we'll drive up to Tulsa and party at this titty bar I know, and I'll brag all about how I'm going to be famous on April 19th and me and you and Mikey can let the girls and the bouncers get a real good look at us? And after that, you guys can let me borrow your truck and I'll drive it back to Kansas, where I'll pack it full of explosives and then drive it down to Oklahoma City and blow up a bunch of civilian federal employees and children?" AS: "I dunno, let me check with Mike." Pauses, hand over the phone, muffled conversation, AS: "Yeah, sure, Mike says it sounds like a great party." TM: "Wow! Great! Listen I'll be calling you from the airport, OK? And one more thing......" AS: Breaks in. "Hey, uh Tim, was it? Yeah, Tim, look I've gotta make another call, OK? Sort of official business. Let me know when you get in." TM: "Uh, yeah, OK, sure will...." AS: "Say goodbye, Tim." TM: "Goodbye, Tim." ********************************************************************* Mahon says he does not know McVeigh or bombing codefendant Terry Nichols. U.S. Disrict Judge Richard Matsch will hold a hearing for Oct. 2-4 on discovery disputes..............(more article, but you've got the gist.) *********************************************************************** Transcriber Continues..... "The key thing to surviving a federal rap for anything is to be the first one on your block to rat out the others, and deal them out. Then you walk, they're in, and then you run so their friends don't catch you." -- An old ex-con I met, c. 1976. Gee, I wonder if this has occurred to Thomas, Mahon, Brescia? My bet is that Brescia, smart SOB that he is, will be the first "capo" to roll on the others. Everybody tells me he's a flipping genius, maybe he'll prove it by rolling. Then again, maybe Thomas already beat him to it. ****************************************************************** 3. Where was Kirk Lyons the day the Building Blew?.......... Well, according to his FBI interview he was hiking along the trail in the Oakmulgee Division of the Talladega National Forest, not too far from Selma. Said he met a couple along the way who told him about the bombing. Yeah, that's right. Presumably, like his client/buddy/snitch Andy Strassmeir, the couple marked this chance encounter down on a trail calendar they carried along just for that purpose. Of course, Kirk didn't know who they were, and no he didn't know how to contact them. Did he have any witnesses? Any receipts to prove he was there? Funny thing, the FBI didn't think he looked like a hiker. 4. "Gone To Texas....." Back after the Civil War, things got pretty tough in southern states like Alabama and North Carolina. When folks had enough they'd hang a sign on their door that said "Gone to Texas" and they'd move west where times weren't so harsh (or so they thought). Now we learn the CAUSE Foundation, the Davidian-donation-paid escape vehicle for Andreas Strassmeir, has come onto hard times. "As is often the case when we are submerged in legal work, fund raising suffers. In times past we could count on The Balance (the CAUSE newsletter, M.V.) to bring in sufficient revenue to keep us going. Well, The Balance went out a month ago and it still hasn't brought in enough to pay the printing and postage costs. Because of our dire straights, our Editor Dave Hollaway has taken an engineering job in Houston and will no longer be available on a daily basis...." opines "Brer Lyins". THEN WHY DON'T YOU GET ANDY'S WELL-HEELED DADDY TO PAY YOU THE THOUSANDS IN SQUANDERED DAVIDIAN FUNDS BACK THAT YOU USED TO GET HIS BOY OUT OF "HARM'S (I.E. THE PRESS') WAY"? Of course, both Brer Hollaway and Brer Lyins came from Texas to North Carolina in the first place. Let's see, that was about the same time Andy moved in at Elohim City, wasn't it? It was Brer Hollaway who introduced Andy to the Texas Light Infantry, to the undying regret of some TLI members who found themselves suddenly the target of ATF stings, according to J.D. Cash's articles. It was Brer Hollaway who sheparded "Little Orphan Andy" through his January, 1996 interview with SOFs Sherrow. You know, the interview that spooked Andy so bad, he had to get out of the country QUICK!!!! Actually, that was just about the time the Muellers disappeared. Hmmmm. And it was Brer Hollaway who played Scarecrow to "Little Orphan Andy's" Dorothy on his hegira back to Der Vaterland and the waiting arms of his "estranged" father. Accompanied also, according to Brer Lyins, by the Lion and the Tin Man of GSG9, the German government's counterterrorist unit. Brer Hollaway, I also seem to recall, is an explosives expert of some repute. Is there a daycare in the Houston federal building? Or don't they have any federal-dupe Nazis down there in need of technical assistance? Just a thought. 5. Meet Michael "Don Corleone" Brescia (Or, What Were "Pinky and the Brain" Doing in That Tulsa Titty Bar?) I've made some interesting friends recently in Philadelphia, and they've provided me a whole new outlook on our elusive-only-to-the-Freeh-FBI John Doe #2. You might even say, I got a peek inside his "family". This guy was described to me as "cold-blooded", "brilliant but dangerous" (by a former teacher), "a twenty-something mafia don" with "shark eyes." His family name is not unknown to Philadelphia law enforcement who make it their habit to study what remains of La Cosa Nostra. But Brescia is no "wiseguy" in the classic sense. He's running his own agenda, and earlier descriptions of Mikey as Andy's sidekick, while accurate, do not do him justice. When you look at Brescia's picture, you may just be looking at the "mastermind" of the bombing. "Computer literate", "gifted", even "genius" said some other acquaintances. "Charming one minute, angry the next, doesn't raise his voice much though"; "Very, very scary guy," said others. "A laughing sociopath," said another. So if the OKC conspiracy had (to use the current cartoon metaphor) a "Pinky" and a "Brain", then who is "Pinky? And who's "The Brain?" What do you suppose the Brescia phone records will tell us? I know who the "fallen flowers" of "Lady Godiva's" picked out of that smorgasboard of photos. If you're smart, you'll have figured it out by now, too. I'll bet you Michael Brescia knows. I'll bet you Tim McVeigh knows. And I'll bet you Andy Strassmeir knows too. Whether that comes as shock to his erstwhile lawyer and sponsor, Mr. Kirk Lyins, you'll have to ask him yourself. We could always ask the Ward brothers if they know. And surely we could ask little ole Esther Millar. If she doesn't know, its because Mikey was afraid to tell her. One thing, if she's just now finding it out, you can be sure the FBI is hearing the ass-chewing she's giving Mikey-- every icy syllable. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR From ahabiz@aol.com Fri Oct 4 18:18:22 PDT 1996 Article: 37326 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (5c8590b770cad0898bdae78911a56909) From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Posted-Date: 2 Oct 1996 18:52:38 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 23:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <844297383$2806@atype.com> Subject: For all you John Doe #2 Watchers out there Lines: 12 You might want to warm up your video recorders, as it appears that NBC news will be breaking the stripper story (as mentioned in John Doe Times) on their nightly news program either this evening or tomorrow evening. It seems that sex not only sells with neo-nazoids, but with the mainstream media as well. (although one wonders if associating the likes of Brescia and company with strippers isn't doing a disservice to the strippers....) Arlin H. Adams From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 4 18:18:45 PDT 1996 Article: 37501 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (4830b4969ed60979c8d57cc8f65ceb56) From: "Arlin H. Adams" Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Oct 04 9:22:45 AM CDT 1996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ahadams@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:33:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Message-ID: <844439599$9657@atype.com> Subject: John Doe Times Vol II N 2 Lines: 435 JOHN DOE TIMES Vol. II, No. 2 3 October 1996 IN THIS ISSUE: "NO QUARTER"-- THE WILBURN'S COURAGEOUS FIGHT TO FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT OKLAHOMA CITY. AND: THE LID IS ABOUT TO BLOW!! WATCH NBC NIGHTLY NEWS FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS!! The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right, 1996. Feel free to copy this anywhere, just quote us correctly. Direct email responses to Mo10Cav@aol.com. Direct snail mail and neo-nazi letter bombs to John Doe Times, P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request for directions to the ex-Director. "Is he, or isn't he? Only his paymaster knows for sure." By order of the Head Cheese, visitors to the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal reservations. Sic semper rodentia. "Roll the videotape, Fred." "Remember, we're watching, and we ain't your big brother." BUT FIRST, A WORD FROM OUR LONG-WINDED EDITOR...... Well, folks, if you liked the J.D.Cash story in JDTII-1 about the Tulsa striptease joint witnesses, you're gonna love NBC Nightly News next week!! That's when we've been told the lid finally gets ripped off the McVeigh- Strassmeir- Brescia connection on primetime teevee. And we get the second truck thrown in for free!! The government's case for "Timmy as Mastermind" will be shot after this segment airs. They may even have to explain why they paid Strassmeir and still had a building blow up in their faces. Speaking of the last issue, there were a number of addressees who did not receive it, or, did not receive all of it. If that's the case, drop me an email to retransmit. Glenn Wilburn is travelling a rocky road right now, but he's still fighting hard. Please keep him in your prayers. He's out of ICU and into a regular room. Cards and letters of support can be sent to Glenn Wilburn, 3200 Winter Drive, Oklahoma City, OK 73112. Please keep the Wilburns and Edye in your prayers. Pray for J.D. Cash, too. He needs a ten-foot-tall guardian angel right now. The rats are getting desperate. Of course, he's always got his .45, but a little confusion in the enemy camp wouldn't hurt. Pray for it. We're currently working on the Michael Brescia "UNWANTED" posters: "Have you seen this Unindicted Terrorist Baby-Killer?" Neighborhood distribution planned all along Manatawna Avenue. Ideas on text welcomed. I have been taken to task by various folks for my bad language in the last JDT. Please understand that the much of that issue was really addressed to Michael Brescia. It was sort of an interpersonal communication between us that I let you folks eavesdrop upon. The language was couched in a way he could understand it-- unambiguously. If I seemed too harsh on his '"gal-pal" Esther Millar, I wasn't. Our best information is that Esther was a part of this whole Nazi-terrorist gig, too. Still, maybe I was too harsh........(thinking)...........Nawww. These people helped kill 168 of their fellow citizens, including innocent babies. I wonder if its possible to be "too rough" in characterizing such cold-blooded monsters. I was specifically criticized for the use of the term "Tulsa titty bar" to refer to Lady Godiva's. While I apologize for offending some of my readers sensibilities, I stand by my characterization of Lady Godiva's. It is, after all, actually in Tulsa, and it IS a strip joint. Besides that "Tulsa titty" was just too alliterative for me to pass up. As I told one of my sincere critics, I am a "practicing Christian", but I obviously need more practice. Also, we are working on having current surveillance photos of Mikey & Co. scanned into gif files so we can send them around the world. More in upcoming JDT's. This issue will be shortened to see if limiting the text will asist in its prompt delivery via AO-Hell. You won't want to miss John Doe Times, Volume 2, No. 3, which should be coming right on the heels of this issue. It is of particular interest to Michael Brescia, the "John Doe Who?" the FBI doesn't want to bust. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR "All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel. The monkey thought 'twas all in fun......POP! goes the weasel." 1. "NO QUARTER" The following article, was excerpted from American Freedom Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 6, September, 1996. It is an edited transcript of the American Freedom Network's "Freedom Forum" 16 July 1996, shortwave radio show, hosted by Don Weideman and featuring an interview by Weideman of Glenn Wilburn. It was entitled: "NO QUARTER." Subscriptions are $18.00 for six months, or $29.95 for a year, which you may obtain by writing to American Freedom magazine, P.O. Box 430, Johnstown, CO 80534. NO QUARTER....One family and a small town reporter have done more substantial and meaningful investigation into the Oklahoma City Bombing than all the feds and media combined. Don Weideman (DW): We interviewed Ambrose Evans-Pritchard last week, and he said that you've been digging up a lot of important information about the Oklahoma City Bombing. Why don't you start by telling us about how your family was affected by it. Glenn Wilburn (GW): We lost our grandsons Chase (3) and Colton (2) Smith. They were my step-daughter Eyde's sons. They were all living with us at the time of the bombing. That morning changed our lives, and they will never be the same again. It wasn't long after the bombing that we saw things that didn't seem to fit. The first thing that I noticed was thatthe ATF sustained few injuries and had few people in their office that morning--- that seemed very odd to me. Of course, subsequent investigation revealed that this was due to the fact that they absolutely had prior knowledge of the danger that day, and that they had conducted a stake-out of the building the night before. There were only two, maybe three people in their office that morning. DW: After the bombing, Edye Smith made some comments on CNN that took the nation by surprise. What were her comments? GW: She made those comments on May 23, 1995, the day of the building implosion, which would have been about a month after the bombing. She was asked that morning on CNN, live with Gary Troutman, if things would quieten now that the building was down. Of course, her response was that things were not going to quieten down, and if anything they would get noisier because people wanted to know exactly why the ATF wasn't in their offices that morning and why they had prior knowledge of the bombing. Of course, Mr. Troutman wrapped that interview up rather quickly. I know he was certainly a little surprised, but it wasn't a flippant, off-the-cuff remark. It was more than four weeks after the bombing, and by that time we had substantial information that indicated that the ATF did in fact have prior knowledge of the danger, and that they had staked out the building the night before. There was substance behind Edye's comment. DW: Did the BATF actually have a control person working with the actual bombers, and did they expect the bomb to blow at 3 A.m.? Were they going to let it go as far as they could, then rush in and stop it, and be the big saviors? GW: We know now that the ATF certainly had an informant working within this bombing group. I say "bombing group" because the number of men downtown that morning with Tim McVeigh were at least four, and probably five in number--- and that's not including Tim. The group had a total of six men in it that morning. DW: Why did you have your grandchildren at that particular daycare center? GW: Well, Edye and my wife Kathy worked about four blocks south at the Internal Revenue Service building. It was a state-of-the-art daycare center, and conveniently located so they could easily walk there. It seemed like the perfect arrangement. We certainly never had any idea that there was any type of law enforcement agency in that building. It's one of the things that continues to haunt us: that after three years of taking the boys to that building, we had no idea that the ATF, Secret Service and Customs were on the ninth floor of that building. DW: Is it normal for the BATF and other police organizations to have offices in the same building as a daycare center? GW: I wouldn't think so. There is no doubt in my mind that if I knew that the ATF was in that building, I would have gotten the boys out of there. I would have never put my loved ones in an area close to the ATF, because of the potentials that could happen. After Waco and Ruby Ridge, there is no way that I would have left our boys in there. DW: There was a Knight-Ridder news service article in one of the local newspapers on July 12, and it reads, "Report Blasts Reno on Waco." Now they may be starting to wake up and put out some real information about the government misconduct in Waco. Also, there was a report recently about the so-called "Viper Militia" in Arizona, which revealed that it was all nothing more than BATF trying to justify their own existence and continue their funding. It wasn't actually what the BATF claimed it to be. It seems as if there is a trend being established, where the BATF is simply making up things and creating a big show. GW: They're creating a crisis in order to substantiate their own existence; they're fighting for their survival. They were looked at bery harshly in the last few months by certain members of Congress, who pondered whether or not we really need them. Of course, most Americans would answer that question with, "Absolutely not." The ATF has long outlived their need, and they've exhibited time and time again that their incompetence results in the deaths of innocent Americans. Do we need an authority to do the things that they do? Possibly so, but certainly shouldn't be administered by the BATF. That authority should somehow be integrated into the FBI, with close scrutiny by some type of oversight organization. DW: It's common knowledge that the World Trade Center experienced its bombing because of an FBI sting operation that went bad. And here we are looking at the Oklahoma City Bombing, and we can't help but wonder whether this is another sting operation gone bad by another government bureaucracy. And people who have really investigated it have stated that yes, that is exactly what happened. GW: There is an article that came out on Sunday, July 14, 1996, in the McCurtain County Gazette, written by J.D. Cash. He says that: "After months of official "no comments" and even outright denials, a highly-placed source at the FBI has confirmed that Andreas Carl Strassmeir was a paid government informant sent by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to infiltrate Elohim City, a Christian Identity religious compound near Muldrow, Oklahoma. "Following numerous investigative reports by national and international news services about the mysterious German "tourist" with suspicious ties to Tim McVeigh, some supervisory-level agents at the Bureau now want to distance themselves from mounting evidence that the Oklahoma City bombing was a "blown sting operation" by the ATF, an operation which Strassmeir himself has admitted intimate knowledge. "Supplementing the Gazette's nine-month investigation into links between Strassmeir, McVeigh and the neo-Nazi movement in this country, a variety of news organizations have also begun uncovering and reporting some unsettling facts about the German national's activities and associations. Such revelations now include that of a family in Arkansas whose bodies were recently found handcuffed and submerged in an Arkansas bayou and a bank-robber-turned-government-witness, who was discovered Friday morning dangling from a bed sheet in his cell." GW continues: There have been two interesting connections that have developed as side stories, which have Strassmeir tied into them. The first one refers to the "family in Arkansas whose bodies were recently found handcuffed and submerged in an Arkansas bayou" (the Mueller family) and a "Bank-robber-turned-government-witness who was discovered friday morning dangling from a bed sheet in his cell." DW: Is this particular family the same family that was found with bags taped over their heads? And Strassmeir was involved in that incident? GW: Exactly right. This was the Mueller family, and Strassmeir has footprints leading in that direction. According to a Little Rock, Arkansas newspaper called American Common Sense, the author, Mr. Wurgis had an interview with William Mueller at a Little Rock gun show in November, 1995. William, his wife Nancy and her daughter Sarah all disappeared in January, 1996, just two months after that interview (they were only recently found in 18 feet of water in the Illinois Bayou, just across the border in Arkansas). In the November 1995 interview, Mr. Mueller told Mr. Wurgis that he had just recenly met a strange fellow named Michael Brescia. Mr. Brescia was a roommate of Andy Strassmeir at Elohim City. DW: Do you believe that Michael Brescia is John Doe #2, the one with Tim McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck? GW: Exactly right. We have shown pictures of Mr. Brescia to the significant and credible eyewitnesses in Junction City, those witnesses with the best liklihood of being able to identify the man with McVeigh at Elliot's. We have been told that it is an exact identification of the man with McVeigh. The only qualification that the witnesses have given us is that we have a photo of Brescia from about three years ago. Mr. Brescia combs his hair up and straight back now, versus down as in our photo. Each of the witnesses said that if his hair had been combed back in the photo, it would be an exact match. So we've been trying to get a current picture of Mr. Brescia, which is difficult to do, particularly since he seems unaccessible anywhere in the U.S. at the present time. Our information is that at least two of the major networks and some of the more reputable print media in the country have been trying to locate Mr. Brescia for at least two to three months now. It appears that he may no longer be in the United States. Our last reports were that he had crossed into Canada, and that he had possibly even gone from Canada over to Europe. ********************************************************* Transcriber's Note: Of course, Mikey is now sitting on his daddy's front porch, enjoying life in the old 'hood. That is a luxury unavailable now to his hundreds of victims. *********************************************************** DW: So an FBI source acknowledges that Andreas Strassmeir was associated with Tim McVeigh, and that he was Michael Brescia's roommate in Elohim City. Wasn't Michael Brescia still attending school in Philadelphia? GW: Mr. Brescia had attended LaSalle University in Philadelphia for three years until he dropped out in his third year, the 1992-1993 school year. When he dropped out, he went to Elohim City, Oklahoma. Michael Brescia was made aware of Elohim City through a gentleman by the name of Mark Thomas, who is head of the Pennsylvania Aryan Nation. Coincidentally, Mr. Thomas is the same man who guided Mark Steddeford to Elohim City. Steddeford is one of the two most recent Midwestern Bank Bandits arrested, along with a gentleman by the name of Kevin McCarthy. It's quite an interesting connection that both of these gentlemen were at Elohim City for up to six months and both were guided there by Mr. Thomas of Pennsylvania. ************************************************************** Transcriber's Note: "ALL ROADS LEAD TO, AND FROM, ELOHIM CITY." *************************************************************** The way that these connections tie into this most recent "suicide" is that Richard Guthrie and a gentleman named Langan were arrested in January, 1995 in connection with the Midwest bank robberies that have been taking place for the past three years. About a week ago, we received word that Mr. Guthrie was going to cop a plea and turn state's evidence against the other robbers. He had certain other key information that he was going to give the FBI in exchange for a reduced plea aggreement for the bank robbery charges. Lo and behold, about four or five days after this information came out, Mr. Guthrie was found hanged to death in his cell in Covington, Kentucky last friday morning (July 12,1996). this was just a week after he became willing to cop a deal with the FBI!! It's interesting that Mr. Guthrie was one of four bank bandits charged with the Midwestern bank robberies. The four arrests included Steddeford and McCarthy, who both resided at Elohim City and who were both placed there by the same man who had placed Mr. Brescia there: Mr. Mark Thomas of Pennsylvania. Here we have all the attributes of a fictional murder-mystery, except that this story is true to life and we are watching it unfold before us. DW: Do you think that Michael Brescia was a true Christian Identity adherent, or was he just a paid informant? GW: I believe that Michael Brescia is for real. When he was at LaSalle University he belonged to a business fraternity, and they had to censor him because he was attempting to set up neo-Nazi/white separatist groups on campus. The fraternity told him that they would not tolerate it, and that if he continued he would be disbarred from the fraternity. It wasn't too long after that he decided to drop out of LaSalle and reside at Elohim City. No, I believe that Michael Brescia is a true believer-- but I don't believe that Andy Strassmeir is, though. DW: Andreas Strassmeir's purpose in coming to the United States was in hopes of becoming an undercover agent for one of the government agencies. GW: Yes, and as a matter of fact, he has admitted that in one of his conversations with Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. Andy has himself admitted that when he came to America he had hoped to get employment with DEA or the Treasury Department. DW: Why does it seem as though the Christian Identity and Aryan Nations people have their fingers in a lot of these incidents? The Christian Identity people are saying that Jews are not really Jews; that they (Identity adherents) are the Jews. I believe that their blindness is leading them down a road into trouble. GW: I've never been a very political fellow, and I don't plan to be one in the future. I lost two little boys that I loved very much; they were blown up. My attitude has been to follow the trail of the killers wherever it leads. Whoever is responsible for it is where I'm going. The names and connections indicate that we have an ATF informant. DW: Do you think that there is any Moslem connection? Early reports by the media indicated that there were Middle Eastern individuals involved. GW: There were some early indications that there was. However, the longer this investigation proceeds, the less I see any indications of that. In my opinion, this thing was developed, birthed and put together right here in America. ***************************** DW: So there was a definite connection between Andreas Strassmeir, McVeigh and Michael Brescia. GW: That's correct, and we now have witnesses in Herington, Kansas who place Andreas Strassmeir in and around Junction City and Herington at various times, as early as the summer of 1992. In these same time periods, the same witnesses place Tim McVeigh, Michael Fortier and Michael Brescia TOGETHER at various places in Herington, Kansas. the witnesses have not placed Strassmeir together with the other men, but they have placed him in the same area at the same time. Mr. Strassmeir has gone on record as saying that he has never been to Kansas. At this point, after fifteen months and based upon the recent article by Mr. J.D.Cash in the McCurtain County Gazette, there is no question that Andreas Strassmeir was acting as a federal informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The question is: just how active was Mr. Strassmeir within this bombing group? You can look back into the past at the World trade Center bombing, but you don't even have to look any further back than the Viper Militia incident in Pheonix to notice that when the feds send informants into these groups, that the informants become much more than just information-gathering tools. The informants do in fact agitate, accelerate and suggest situations. We're interested in seeing the extent of Mr. Strassmeir's involvement. Did he actually help to inititiate and conduct the events resulting in the bombing? DW: But how can that be determined? Obviously the BATF will protect him, considering that he was their secret paid agent. GW: You can bet on that!! There will be no assistance from the BATF or the FBI in this regard. In the past two weeks, we have obtained additional information regarding Mr. strassmeir's activities as early as 1988 and 1989, in Texas, regarding his infiltration of the Texas Light Infantry. We continue to get information that Strassmeir is here, there, and everywhere. People are coming forward, recognizing his picture, recognizing his name and recalling certain instances involving him. This most recent one is very intriguing because in 1988 and 1989 he was in Texas, trying to infiltarte a militia group and set up some illegal gun purchases. His pattern of activity from 1988 up to the bombing is unquestionable. Andy strassmeir seems to be the key to the whole investigation. Follow Strassmeir and you are following the perpretrators in the bombing group. DW: Our prayers go out to you, Glenn, your wife and Edye. God help us here in the United States to do what's right. ********************************************************* "I don't think that the Wilburns would backpeddle on anything, from what dealings I've had with them. They're absolutely uncontainable. They believe that the government has not told the truth on this, and they're absolutely determined to find out what really happened....They are doing it by themselves. they have had some help: John Cash, a retired lawyer, is a reporter for the McCurtain County Gazette, and he has done some terrific work. He's working full-time on this story, and its amazing what he has uncovered. They've also had some help from other people, but no paid investigators. Its just the Wilburns and a small group of people who want the truth to come out, all working together." -- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, 10 July 1996. As one of the "other people" who Ambrose mentions, I was struck by the American Freedom Magazine headline to Glenn's interview: "NO QUARTER." This is exactly what the innocents like Chase and Colton Smith received >from the bombers: "No Quarter." No mercy. No break. And so their lives were snuffed out. But if we can expect no quarter from bombers and Nazi terrorists, then they should understand that they will receive "No Quarter" from us. We are going to hunt them down and bring them to the bar of justice by whatever means we can. The John Does of the world should understand this. No quarter for terrorists. NO QUARTER!! -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR. From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Sat Oct 5 11:13:57 PDT 1996 Article: 37616 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (02e94d8d4f32b542a36d74f2ae2fe898) From: "Arlin H. Adams" Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Oct 05 11:59:56 AM CDT 1996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ahadams@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 5 Oct 96 17:03:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Message-ID: <844535002$13696@atype.com> Subject: John Doe Times Vol. II N. 3 Lines: 309 JOHN DOE TIMES Vol. II, No. 3 4 October 1996. IN THIS ISSUE: THE EDYE SMITH CIVIL SUIT IS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE "ATF ANDY" STRASSMEIR, MICHAEL "JOHN DOE #2" BRESCIA, AND MICHAEL "DEALING DRUGGIE" FORTIER OR: "HOW ARE TIMMY ("PINKY") McVEIGH & MIKEY ("THE BRAIN") BRESCIA LIKE O.J. SIMPSON?" The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right 1996. Feel free to copy this anywhere, just qutoe us correctly. Direct email responses to Mo10Cav@aol.com. Direct snail mail and neo-nazi letter bombs to John Doe Times, P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request for directions to the ex-Director. "Is he or isn't he? Only his paymaster knows for sure." By order of the Head Cheese, visitors to the the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal reservations. Sic semper rodentia. "Roll the videotape, Fred." "Remember, we're watching, and we ain't your big brother." THE FOLLOWING PETITION WAS FILED IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF CANADIAN COUNTY, STATE OF OKLAHOMA, 1 OCTOBER 1996: CASE No. CJ-96-18 EDYE ANN SMITH, individually and on behalf of her minor children, CHASE SMITH, deceased, and COLTON SMITH, deceased, PLAINTIFFS, VS. TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH, MICHAEL BRESCIA, MICHAEL FORTIER and ANDREAS CARL STRASSMEIR and other unknown individuals, DEFENDANTS. Second Amended Petitition. EDYE ANN SMITH indivually and on behalf of her deceased minor children, Chase Smith and Colton Smith, brings before this Court her cause of action against the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael Brescia, Michael Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and other unkown individuals and states as follows: 1. That Edye Ann Smith is the mother of the deceased minor children, Chase Smith and Colton Smith; 2. That on April 19, 1995, at approximately 9:00 a.m. Chase Smith and Colton Smith were inside the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma when an explosion occurred trapping them in the building and causing serious personal injury and death; 3. That the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael Brescia, Michael Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and other unknown individuals working in concert with one another, wrongfully, and with reckless disregard for the welfare of the plaintiffs, and others similarly situated, placed and discharged an explosive device, or devices, in close proximity to the structural support of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, causing injury and death to Chase Smith and Colton Smith; 4. That Edye Smith has and continues to suffer severe emotional distress from personally witnessing the destructive reults of the device(s) detonated by the defendants, and from fearing for the lives of her two small boys as rescue workers searched the Alfred P. Murrah Building rubble for survivors; 5. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the defendants, Chase Smith, having lived a mere three years, did wrongfully die as the day care center he was attending collapsed causing him to experience all the fear, pain and suffering possible for a person of his tender years, and as such has been injured in an amount in excess of $5,000,000.00. 6. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the defendants, Colton Smith, having lived only two years, did wrongfully die as the day care center he was attending collapsed causing him to experience all the fear, pain and suffering possible for a person of his tender years, and as such has been injured in an amount in excess of $5,000,000.00. 7. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the defendants, Edye Ann Smith has and will suffer loss of companionship and severe emotional distress from the death of her two young boys and as such has been damaged in an amount in excess of $10,000,000.00 The plaintiff states that the acts of the defendants were gross, willful, wanton and intentional, for which malice may be inferred and for which punitive damages should be assessed in an amount in excess of $10,000,000.00. Wherefore, the plaintiff Edye Ann Smith, individually and on behalf of her minor children Chase Smith, deceased, and Colton Smith, deceased, seeks judgement against the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael Brescia, Michael Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and others, for actual damages in amount $10,000,000.00 and punitive damages in an amount in excess of $10,000,000.00 together with attorney fees, interest, cost of this action and other such necessary and proper relief as the Court may deem just and equitable. Respectfully submitted, Larry L. Oliver & Associates., P.C., (Signature). Larry L. Oliver, OBA #6769 2211 East Skelly Drive Tulsa, OK 74105 (918) 745-6084 Attorney for the Plaintiff. ATTORNEY LIEN CLAIMED JURY TRIAL DEMANDED. ***************************************************************** McCurtain (Oklahoma) Gazette, 2 October, 1996 ATF INFORMANT & "JOHN DOE #2" ADDED TO WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT. By J.D. Cash with Jeff Holladay. A significant change is being made in a wrongful death civil lawsuit filed by Oklahoma City bombing victim Edye Smith-- the addition of Andreas Carl Strassmeir, Michael Fortier and Michael Brescia as co-defendants, the McCurtain Gazette has learned. The Tulsa law firm of Larry Oliver and Associates filed the documents in Canadian County district court Tuesday. Edye Ann Smith, who lost two young children at a daycare center in the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, filed the $30 million wrongful death lawsuit last January. It named Oklahoma City bombing co-defendant Timothy McVeigh and "persons unknown" as defendants. Strassmeir, 37, Fortier, 27, and Brescia, 24, are no strangers to readers who have followed the McCurtain Gazette newspaper's stories for nearly a year and a half. Attorneys for Smith said they intend to eventually prove that the government had prior knowledge of the impending bomb threat to the building but failed to warn occupants. So far, no particular governmental agency has been named in the civil lawsuit, which is entirely separate from the impending criminal trial in Denver for McVeigh and accused co-conspirator Terry Nichols. But Edye Smith and her parents, Glenn and Kathy Wilburn of Oklahoma City, have often said in interviews that they believe the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau of the Treasury Department) were involved in a "sting operation" that went sour. Edye Smith, 24, lost her only two children, Chase, 3, and Colton, 2, when a truck bomb authorities allege was built by McVeigh and Nichols exploded a few feet from the daycare center on the second floor of the Murrah building. The bombing also took the lives of 166 other persons and injured more than 400 others. It has been called the worst incident of terrorism in U.S. history. Shortly after Smith's civil lawsuit was filed in January, the federal government sought to stop her attorneys from deposing witnesses-- saying McVeigh might gain an advantage over the government as a result of broader rules of discovery allowed in civil lawsuits over more limited means in criminal charges. The federal government contended Smith should be forced to wait until all criminal trials are completed before being allowed to proceed with the civil lawsuit. Likewise, the government argued to the court, lawyers for McVeigh should be blocked from getting testimony from witnesses in the civil lawsuit. Such a delay, legal experts say, could last for two years because of the possibility that McVeigh and Nichols may receive separate federal trial-- and then face state murder charges as well. However, naming other defendants in the civil action means the discovery process can proceed regardless of a judge's ruling on McVeigh's legal standing in the case, the Gazette has been told by legal experts. As reported earlier in the Gazette, Andreas Carl Strassmeir came under scrutiny when it was revealed by Elohim City residents that he was the German national Timothy McVeigh tried to contact by telephone just days before the Oklahoma City bombing. Strassmeir's attorney, Kirk Lyons of Black Mopuntain, N.C., has repeatedly said his client does not personally know McVeigh and only had a chance meeting with him in the spring of 1995. lyons said it was also mere coincidence that McVeigh kept a note with Strassmeir's number on it for two years following the gun show.... and that McVeigh called Strassmeir about a planned visit to Elohim City shortly after calling a Ryder truck rental place in Arizona-- a visit that never took place, Strassmeir and white separatists at Elohim City said. Yet, the former German military intelligence officer fled to his native Berlin earlier this year after investigators for Timothy McVeigh began questioning him. Kirk Lyons said Strassmeir had to leave the country to protect himself from arrest by the FBI. ************************************************** Transcriber's Note: You know, that one gets funnier every time I read it. The last thing the FBI wanted to do was arrest Strassmeir. The whole point of the "John Doe Who?" change of story by the government was to protect Strassmeir by deflecting interest in Brescia.) *************************************************** Because Strassmeir's family are powerful political figures in Germany, Lyons also said that Berlin was a much safer place for the younger Strassmeir from what he termed "ridiculous rumors spread by the media and McVeigh's attorney, Stephen Jones." (Strassmeir's father, Guenter, recenly retired from his position as secretary of state to Berlin. He is now an unpaid adviser to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. Andreas Strassmeir's uncle is a parliamentarian and a brother holds elective office on the Berlin city council.) Despite the FBI's boast that they have interviewed more than 21,000 persons in connection with the Oklahoam City bombing, Strassmeir was never interviewed by them while he was in this country--- possibly because FBI sources reported Strassmeir was actually an undercover ATF informant. (Strassmeir denies the charge.) The government has thus far blocked defense attorney Stephen Jone's effort to obtain intelligence files on Strassmeir-- which the ATF admitted they had. But another attempt is being made. The McVeigh defense recently filed new motions with the Denver federal court, asking Judge Richard Matsch to order the agency to turn over their files on Strassmeir. Michael Brescia, also named in the wrongful death civil lawsuit, is a former roommate of Strassmeir's at Elohim City. He is also the person identified by witnessess in Kansas (identified by Gazette lead investigator J.D. Cash) as the man they believed to be the object of the FBI's search for "John Doe #2." Inexplicably, only a few weeks into the investigation, Attorney General Janet Reno announced the whole thing as a mistake-- and that there was no "John Doe #2." The Clinton appointee said persons who they say saw McVeigh with the mystery man were probably confused. But dozens of witnesses interviewed by the Gazette and other news media continue to assert there were accomplices with McVeigh-- including the so-called "John Doe #2" figure-- in the days and minutes before the bombing. And a number of then said Michael Brescia looked very much like "John Doe #2." FBI sources however, have told the Gazette that Brescia is not a suspect in the bombing. Brescia left the Christian Identity redoubt at Elohim City near Muldrow in the fall of 1995. The Pennsylvania native has been reported in various places in the Northeast and Canada since then. In May of this year, two of Brescia's friends from Elohim City were arrested in Philadelphia and charged with a series of bank robberies. Later published reports identified them as members of a neo-Nazi group that called themselves the Aryan Republican Army and pulled a string of 18 bank robberies that netted them in excess of $200,000 between January 1994 and December 1995. Since the arrest of McVeigh and Nichols, various reports have surfaced in the press quoting federal authorities as saying they suspect the bombing suspects might also be involved in some of the same bank robberies. Brescia, who was a member of a rock band with two of the alleged bank robbers, is currently living at his parents' home in Philadelphia. Michael Fortier was also named a defendant in the unlawful death civil lawsuit. Fortier, 27, entered a plea of guilty with prosecutors in exchange for promised testimony against his ex-Army buddies, Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh. Under that agreement in August 1995, Fortier faces up to 24 years in prison for admitting to transporting and selling stolen property, lying to the FBI, and failing to report McVeigh and Nichols' bombing plans. Prosecutors, however, never presented any evidence to the grand jury that Fortier had any actual involvement with the bombing. Fortier's plea agreement also has an "out" clause for federal authorities: It says that if the government gets any information that Fortier was involved with the conspiracy to bomb any federal building, the agreement is voidable and he could be charged ewith crimes subject to the death penalty. Edye Smith's wrongful death lawsuit, however, alleges that Fortier DID have actual involvement with the others named in the action. If the assertion is supported by facts, it could disrupt the government's case-- possibly prompting withdrawal of the plea bargain agreement or Fortier's refusal to testify against McVeigh and Nichols. Hearings are currently being held in Denver federal court on motions to separate the trials of McVeigh and Nichols. END OF STORY. EDITORIAL QUESTION: KIRK LYONS, WHO IS COPIED VIA EMAIL EVERY ISSUE OF JOHN DOE TIMES, HAS BEEN SCREAMINGLY SILENT SINCE THE RESUMPTION OF JDT, VOLUME II--- WHAT' S THE MATTER KIRK, DOES THE FEDERAL CAT HAVE YOUR TONGUE? ANY COMMENT FROM "LITTLE ORPHAN ANDY'S" LAWYER ON HIS BEING NAMED IN THE CIVIL SUIT? AND YOU WONDER WHY DONATIONS ARE DOWN? -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR From waffle@primenet.com Tue Oct 8 13:22:36 PDT 1996 Article: 37945 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (80a2b112942b61d63f8c59cabcdae5ee) From: waffle@primenet.com Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: root@nnrp1.news.primenet.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Posted-By: @198.68.45.165 (waffle) Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 16:33:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Message-ID: <844792385$25358@atype.com> Subject: OBS--the brescia school Lines: 7 mus rata suboleo, muresrattas insectari... Hey! Hey! The witch is dead... So's this board--OBS, and "friends" score one. From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 11 13:38:45 PDT 1996 Article: 38179 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (a0801a5fe7d49b8bced222bbd3b0b897) References: <844540385$13924@atype.com> <844660983$18535@atype.com> From: ahadams@ix.netcom.com (Arlin H. Adams) Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Oct 10 3:35:29 PM CDT 1996 Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 20:48:10 GMT Message-ID: <844980490$4357@atype.com> Subject: John Doe Times V II N 4 Lines: 168 JOHN DOE TIMES Vol. II, No. 4 9 October 1996 OUR MOTTO: "SIC SEMPER RODENTIA" IN THIS ISSUE: "THOSE GUYS ARE INTO IT UP TO THEIR HEADS." The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right 1996. Feel free to copy this anywhere, just qu ote us correctly. Direct email responses to Mo10Cav@aol.com. Direct snail mail and neo-nazi letter bombs to John Doe Times, P.O.Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request for directions to the ex-Director. " Is he, or isn't he? Only his paymaster knows for sure" (But MOM can still start a rumor anyway, can't she?) By order of the Head Cheese, visitors to the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal reservations Sic Semper Rodentia. "Roll the videotape, Fred." "Remember, we're watching, and we ain't your big brother." But first, a word from our Editor: O.K. folks, the latest "smoking hot gospel" out of NBC is: NBC Nightly News, Monday, 14 October, Mike Boettcher's story on "Timmy, Mikey and Andy Try to Get Laid in the Back of the Second Van." I would expect that if NB C doesn't run it, that someone else hot on their trail will. There are more indications that the Pulitzer race is about to begin, and some previously docile news-horses are become frisky in the starting gate. I notice the FBI has recently renewed it's $2,000,000.00 reward for information about the OKC bombing conspirators. Do you think they'll give it to J.D. Cash after Monday night? Hmmm, maybe I can wrap up all the back is sues of John Doe Times and send 'em to DC......Naw, they've already got 'em by way of court ordered email intercept.... or is it a "black bagger"? Hey! I just had an idea! If they won't give J.D. or me the money, this may be an opportunity for Esther Millar. Esther, honey, this is your lucky day. When the money becomes as serious as "two mill", its not "selling out your lover" but making an "investment for your future." Of course, you'd better hurry. There's a long line forming at the "Let's Make a Deal Window." Maybe Mikey's in front of you already. "WHERE'S KIRK ("WALDO") LYINS???? NO COMMENT FROM KIRK LYINS LATELY. Has he fallen off the neo-Nazi turnip truck? Has he dumped "Little Orphan Andy" as a bad investment? Where's our shining k-k-knight in blood-spattered, rapidly rusting armor? No comment on the Smith civil suit? No com ment on where he was the day of the bombing? No comment on Timmy, Mikey and Andy in the Tulsa titty bar? We hear his erstwhile Aryan in-laws are starting to take a new view of him. Not surprising. But where's Kirk?!?! ?!? The FBI knows. Every word. "'E's scarpered. 'E's buggered off! The cowardly sod." Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "But Mom, there were bunches of cockroaches here before I turned on the light." RE: Arrest of Phineas Priesthood Idaho Boys in Washington State on Bank Robbery and Bombing Charges. We'll have details in an upcoming John Doe Times, as well as Richard Butler's reaction, under the headline: POOR PEE-PEE'S POPPED, PASTOR POOH-POOHS PANTS -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR And now, without further ado: The Nashville Tennessean 8 October 1996 OKLAHOMA BOMB SUIT FILED Family Accuses Ex-Tennessean. By Laura Frank A man with Tennessee ties has been named in a wrongful-death lawsuit filed on behalf of two childrean killed in the Oklahoma City bombing. Andreas Carl (Andy) Strassmeir-- a German national who claimed a Knoxville address and was issued a Tennessee driver's license-- is accused in the civil complaint of assisting in the bombing that killed 168 people April 1 9, 1995. Edye Ann Smith, 24, the mother of the two children, believes Strassmeir, his former roommate Michael Brescia and Michael Fortier helped Timothy McVeigh plan and place a 4,800 pound bomb at the base of the Oklahoma City fe deral building on April 19, 1995. Smith's two sons, Chase, 3, and Colton, 2, were at the child-care center in the building that day. Both died. "After a year-and-a-half of many different individual investigators and reporters digging into the bombing, what really happened is coming to light," Smith told The Tennessean last night. "Those guys are into it up to t heir heads. If they were involved, they need to be punished." Smith's attorney, Larry Oliver, said the three men were added to a suit previously filed against McVeigh, who is awaiting trial on federal murder charges. Oliver said witnesses claim they saw the men together at a Tulsa, Okl., strip club days before the bombing. He said McVeigh was talking about the bombing then, before it happened. "These people apparently got together and let some other people know they knew something about the bombing." Strassmeir, who returned to Germany (eight) months after the bombing, could not be reached there for comment la st night. In an interview with The Tennessean earlier this year, he denied having any connection to the bombing. Brescia, reportedly from Philadelphia, could not be found; his whereabouts are unkown; Fortier, who pleaded guilty to knowing about the bomb plot and is assisting prosecutors in their criminal case against McVeigh, also c ould not be found. The civil case, filed in El Reno, Okla., is unrelated to the criminal case, which will be heard in Denver. Smith's suit seeks $20 million, but she also wants to question the defendants under oath. Strassmeir obtained a Tennessee driver's license in 1992, claiming a Knoxville address, before moving to a white seperatist religious compound in eastern Oklahoma. He lived with Brescia at the compound, called Elohim Cit y. At least three eyewitnesses told The Tennessean earlier this year they saw Strassmeir in Junction City, Kansas. This is where prosecutors allege McVeigh and codefendant Terry Nichols bought and stockpiled the ingredients of a fertilizer bomb, and where McVeigh is charged with renting a truck and filling it with the explosive combination of ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel. One witness also said she attended parties where McVeigh, Strassmeir and Brescia were guests. Strassmeir says he met McVeigh only once, casually in October, 1994, at a gun show in Tulsa. "I don't know this McVeigh guy," Strassmeir told The Tennessean in a telephone interview from Berlin earlier this year. "We met at a gun show once and talked for five minutes." Moreover, Strassmeir told The Tennessean he has never been to Kansas, claims to have an alibi for the weeks before the bombing and says he knows nothing about the bomb.From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 14 11:12:38 PDT 1996 Article: 38686 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7d87e64039fbb4ec19484e59d02c6c1a) From: ahadams@ix.netcom.com (Arlin H. Adams) Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 14 7:21:42 AM PDT 1996 Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:33:05 GMT Message-ID: <845303585$21647@atype.com> Subject: John Doe Times Bulletin! Lines: 117 JOHN DOE TIMES BULLETIN 14 Sept 96 0100 hrs TONIGHT...TONIGHT...TONIGHT....NBC STARTS UNRAVELLING THE COVERUP TONIGHT... It will begin modestly...Don't expect them to name all the names at once.....But tonight NBC Nightly News begins the Tulsa Strip Club story as told by correspondent Mike Boettcher (a hometown OKC boy) starring, as faithfu l readers of John Doe Times already know, Timmy "Pinky" McVeigh, Mikey "the Brain" Brescia and Andy "the Snitch" Strassmeir...... We have this on exceptional authority. If you don't see it tonight, you can blame the White House. AND NOW FOR SOMETHING REALLY DIFFERENT............. Sometimes material is submitted that just doesn't meet the high standards of language, modesty and decorum that the John Doe Times espouses. On the other hand, if it's funny enough, we'll send it to you anyway. The foll owing piece falls into that category. The Kind of Interview I'd Like to See Tim McVeigh Give..... The Tim McVeigh Interview That Never Happened by A. F. Amous-Reporter (Editors Note: The following interview questions were forwarded to me by that crackerjack, jack-playing, One-Eyed Jack and jack of all trades, Mr. A.F. Amous-Reporter. He once had an interview scheduled with Timmy McVeig h that never came about thanks to meddling federal prosecutors. These were A.F.A-R's prepared questions for McVeigh, and it is regrettable that Timmy never got the chance. It is obvious that a lot of thought went into t hese questions, which reflect A.F.A-R's encyclopedic knowledge of the bombing conspiracy. Still, perhaps one day Timmy can be persuaded to answer these cheese-cutting questions. The answers would be, ah, revealing.) WARNING TO PARENTS WITH SMALL CHILDREN, THE FAINT-OF-HEART AND NORMAL CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO CAN BE OFFENDED BY BAD LANGUAGE, SEXUAL INNUENDO AND GRAPHIC SCENES OF PRISON LIFE: YOU MAY BE OFFENDED BY SOME OF THESE QUESTION S. DON'T READ THEM. Question One: What three women would you most like to see sent to your cell completely naked? (Remember, this isn't going to happen, Tim, I just want people to see how pissed-off you can get on camera.) Question Two: Of all the bad advice you've been given in your life, which of the following stands out as the worst? a. "Aaahh, damn, I gotta take a leak....Why don't you go ahead and rent the truck, Tim?" b. "Don't worry about the tag, Timmy...It won't fall off." c. "Of course we'll get away with this, Tim." Question Three: If you were in a room with Colin Powell, Bill Clinton and David Rockefeller--and you only had two cartridges in your pistol-- how would you solve this dilemma? (Hint: Remember that the viewers appreciate creativity in their mass murderers.) Question Four: When you were interviewed by Barbara Walters, did any of the following thoughts cross your mind? a. A life of celibacy might not be so bad. b. My guards are looking better all the time. c. I blew up a building full of people for this? Question Five: Which of the following makes you the maddest? a. That John Doe #2 is a rock star in Philadelphia? b. That he's screwing your old girl friend? c. That the government is picking up the tab for both of the above? Question Six: According to the Justice Department, over $62 million dollars has already been spent investigating how you and a few other societal misfits blew up a $9 million dollar building with a $25 hundred dollar hom e-made bomb.....Timmy, don't you think by now that the American taxpayers-- and the Department of Defense-- are entitled to know what your recipe was? Question Seven: Experts in mental disorders will be studying you for many years to come, trying to determine how you became a world-class patsy. Tim, in order to advance this research, would you identify which of the wi retap-intercepted statements below has had the greatest influence on your life? a. Kirk Lyons saying, "No matter what happens, Tim, keep your mouth shut and Helmut Kohl, Andy and I will get you out of this." b. Esther whispering in your ear: "Just remember, darling...after you light the fuse I'll be waiting for you at the Dreamland Motel...Drive as fast as you can, Timmy." c. Bill Clinton saying: "I feel your pain." Question Eight: Timmy, let's get up close and personal here...Please tell us how you feel knowing that you're never going to get so much as a whiff of another ice-cold beer....Never going to drop another tab of acid with your buds....And, jumping into a bathtub full of jello with your sister is just a fond memory as you hump your fist in front of a security camera for the foreseeable future....And, knowing that as soon as this farce of a trial is over, the Warden here has promised that he's going to shove your tight, virginal ass into the general prison population, where you will be raped, beaten, eaten, and your entrails hung on the cafeteria wall.....My question is, Tim: Was your big night at Lady Godiva's worth it? Question Nine: Reflecting back over the past two years, what stands out as the single worst idea you've had? Question Ten: Tim, whatever happened to that shitty grin you used to have? From ahadams@ix.netcom.com Tue Oct 15 10:46:07 PDT 1996 Article: 38800 of misc.activism.militia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: militia-request@atype.com (37d0411c32aadb7d814ba1bd7602c115) From: "Arlin H. Adams"Organization: Netcom X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 15 6:21:21 AM PDT 1996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-Path: news@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ahadams@ix.netcom.com Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 13:33:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Message-ID: <845386385$25231@atype.com> Subject: JOHN DOE TIMES BULLETIN, 15 OCTOBER 1996 Lines: 46 JOHN DOE TIMES BULLETIN, 15 OCTOBER 1996 Well, here I am feeling like Peter and the Wolf again. To those of you who inundated my phone and email last night about why NBC didn't run it the Mike Boettcher piece on Tim McVeigh, Michael Brescia and Andy Strassmeir in the Tulsa strip club ("Lady Godiva's) on 8 April 1996---- Here's what we were told by lower-downs in NBC: NBC's commitment to run the piece remains strong, but the story was bumped by the Archer Daniels Midland anti-trust settlement (NBC has a vested interest in appearing aggressive on the ADM because they are a big sponsor of NBC programing, including Meet the Press, we are told). We figured something might be up when the network didn't run any teasers for the story over the weekend. We are told that NBC will run the piece, perhaps as early as Tuesday or Wednesday. Mindful that the White House has exerted pressure on the networks in the past to tone down or kill OKC stories, I think its not such a bad idea if we do what Stephanopulous does-- let's jawbone 'em. Call NBC at (212) 664-4444 and ask them why they are not running the Mike Boettcher story on John Doe #2. If anyone has a fax number that's good for the NBC Nightly News then post it to me, and I will repost it. Call your local NBC affiliates too. Let's put a little pressure on 'em. Call up your local radio talk shows and shortwave shows and tell them what's happening. All we're asking is for them to run a story they already have in the can. What are they waiting for, ABC? Of course, it may be the most important story of this decade. The people have a right to know. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR On a lighter note, I present here some original doggerel about a little known figure in the OKC case--- The Virginian. There once was a Nazi named Pfaff Who thought t'would be good for a laugh, To help Tim McVeigh Blow a building away. But now the laugh is on Pfaff. And if you want a real laugh, call up the National Alliance and ask them if they know Pfaff. Some numbers, (304) 653-4600. (304) 653-4707. From mo10cav@aol.com Thu Oct 24 10:03:52 PDT 1996 Article: 41018 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (ed9ff366a45eb819e34dab6e02a5132e) References: <846033527$14306@atype.com> From: mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Posted-Date: 24 Oct 1996 00:08:56 -0400 Reply-To: mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 4:18:34 GMT Message-ID: <846130714$26805@atype.com> Subject: National Alliance Complicity in OKC (was Re: What is a Nazi?) Lines: 32 Tell us, oh Unterscheissfuhrer Brian Schmidt, the answers to the following questions: What is the exact extent of the complicity of Wilhelm Pierce und Gesellschaft (the National Alliance) in the OKC bombing? Specifically, 1. Do you or any other of you lower-echelon sheissskopf NatAllers know Tim McVeigh? How about Mikey Brescia, John Doe #2? 2. Who was Timmy calling at NatAll HQ all those times?, and remember, we know more than the phone card records these days. It was more than one call, and you bastards know it. 3. Do you know Pfaff as well as Pierce apparently does? And why was Timmy calling Pfaff every time he made an acquistion of explosives materials? Is Pfaff your bomb expert? Or is he more than just your operative? (Remember, the smart thing to do is never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.) 4. Now that you pissant federal patsies have been maneuvered into being complicit in mass murder, have you decided if you wish to be hung like the Nuremberg dancers, or do you wish to take the coward's way out and take the needle up the arm? These are things you should be thinking about. 5. How much of the bank robbery money did the Aryan Republican Army (Commander Pedro and His Lost Planet Aryans) give Pierce? 6. Please call and email all your NatAll buddies on these subjects. We shall be grateful for the document trail. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR From ahabiz@aol.com Thu Oct 24 10:04:08 PDT 1996 Article: 41118 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (83e7fe271b4b110ca639377733f93d83) References: <846090426$20285@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Posted-Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:33:12 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:48:04 GMT Message-ID: <846164884$28903@atype.com> Subject: Re: Liberals Prove Dr. Jensen Right on IQ Arleen? Answer this one. Lines: 223 In article <846090426$20285@atype.com>, vonluetzow@aol.com (VonLuetzow) writes: >Oh, I see. Sorry about the pseudonym. I'd like to be able to use my real >name (as if you do!), Oh, indeed I DO use my real name - and I sign every single post refuting your lies with my name, just to make sure you remember it. > but your JDL and ADL buddies like to compile lists. oh, goodness, your ignorance is showing already! The Constitutional Militias have no direct contact with either of those organizations for the simple reason that those organizations aren't interested in contact with us. We DO, however have reasonably good lines of communication with the JPFO, who not only track you cowards, but also keep lists. I think it really says something about the cowardice of the average racist that they have to hide who they are from the world...and they demonstrate that cowardice everytime they post with a pseudonym - how do you feel about that - being forced to demonstrate your cowardice every time you post? >In any case, the pseudonym (Fake? he was a Prussian cavalry general who >fought for Frederick the Great) hides neither my ethnicity nor my beliefs. Fake! Don't tell me that your leadership actually conned you into believing that they'd make you some kind of a 'general' for your internet posts...did they? If so, it's just another example of how they lie to you...how do you feel about giving blind obedience to leaders who lie to you? As far as ethnicity goes, for whatever it's worth, I am also of German extraction - up until WW I the family name was _Adam_...and I come from a long line of German Lutherans, you know like the Confessing Church which opposed hitler throughout WW II? As far as any of us are concerned, anyone who would stoop to being a racist is not only without personal honor, but dishonors his entire lineage as well. How does it feel, knowing that your ancestors are ashamed of your very existance? >And pardon me for responding to Kaa's very timely posting. It wasn't two >weeks old, and Kaa brought up the "Holocaust" issue, anyway. In other words, you've been called in to try to back up the failed efforts of the kids your masters threw into this newsgroup as virtual cannonfodder. You too, shall fail, and fall - what will your masters do then? What will *you* do then? > You've been covering the topic ad nauseam for over fifty years, so a little more >discussion won't hurt anything. eh? This newsgroup was only invaded by your throw away child abuse cases two weeks ago...although certainly the truth concerning the full extent of the nazi attrocities has been known for 50 years - why just last week was the 50th anniversary of the nazi leadership learning the Nuremburg Dance! >So, all you have to do to prove or deny anything is to deride the >opposition. Actually it's quite easy to deride the ignorance of a nazi - someone so ignorant and foolish that they are incapable of reading any standard high school level history of the Second World War. No, your little revisionist forgeries will not be of any use to you here...neither will you whining quibbles...nazi lies are never welcome in this newsgroup. > A very interesting and revealing concept you have of the rules >of evidence and inductive reasoning. I asked for objective, inductive >evidence that these gassings ever took place. Where is it? and I pointed to the body of evidence which already exists. Any highschool or undergraduate college level history text on World War II will explain it all to you...or if you feel up to the challenge, which I doubt, read through the transcripts of the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal...that will teach you why nazis always end up dead, either through suicide, or dancing on the end of a rope. Finally, if you can't find anyone with sufficient literacy to read any of these things to you, go to Dachau. When you get there, walk in the gate and go about 40 feet, then turn left. Cross the compound, noting the German Government's Holocaust Memorial on your left as you go. When you get to the wall, turn right. Proceed parallel to the wall until you come to the gate on your left. Turn left, go through the gate and follow the path into the building to which it leads. You are now standing in the crematorium. Inhale deeply three or four times, until you get a good idea of the SMELL that still lingers there. Exit the building and proceed back down the path toward the gate. Just as you reach the gate, stop. Now face left, and you will find yourself reading the only KZ Memorial for which there are no commercial photographs available - the one memorial which shames every German who sees it. It's not that much to look at, really, just a simple, oversized tombstone shaped piece of stone which bears the words DACHAU - ANDENKEN SIE WIE WIR HIER STERBEN WAR [translation: Dachau - Think You Then On How We Were Murdered Here]. If you still have any questions after that, then you are without a doubt among the most pitiful specimens of German blood to ever have survived the womb. > Don't go off on a tangent about starvation or torture. Starvation and torture are not tangents - they were central to the nazi's so called 'final solution'. The very fact that such starvation and torture occurred eliminate any hope of obfuscation that revisionist liars such as yourself might have hallucinated. > The International Red Cross Report >of Spring 1945 indicates quite clearly that the Allies' strategic bombing >campaign induced widespread starvation throughout Europe through the >destruction of the transportation infrastructure. Irrelevant and immaterial, since the planned torture and starvation of the KZ and death camp inmates began SEVEN YEARS prior to that with the construction of the Dachau. >And human history is >full of mutual accusations about mistreatment in wartime. Again irrelevant and immaterial, since the systematic torture, starvation and death wreaked by the nazi tyranny has been documented thoroughly - I refer you again to the Transcripts of the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal...they will be a learning experience for you, I'm sure. > The issue at hand concerns systematic, planned annihilation. Exactly! You see, vonazi, your masters have lied to you again - they told you that there was no documentation, and that no one ever confessed to the various crimes against humanity. That simply is not true. Not only were there extensive records recovered from the death camps, many of which were entered into the record at Nuremburg, but also there is documented testimony from camp survivors *and* a confession from one of your nazi idols...and an interesting confession at that - since he appears to be bragging rather than confessing...oh well, he knew he was going to die anyway, why shouldn't he brag about something of which his foul soul was so proud? Look at the transcripts, vonazi, and then ask yourself why your masters lied to you about this...I'll be interested to find out how you feel when you realize just how many lies you've been told. [racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea] >Don't let the spirit of Purim burn too hot - your less likeable side will >come out. I'm sorry, I don't understand this reference - I know that Purim is a Jewish holiday, but that seems very much a nonsequitor to the current discussion. YO! Would one of the Jewish folks on the newsgroup please mail me an explanation of Purim, so I can figure out what this racist was trying to say >Did you see that segment about the Jewish partisans segment of what? Hey did you see the segment on CBC's _5th Estate_ program last night which documented the fact that two elohim city residents were seen getting drunk with Tim McVay just a couple of days before the OKC bombing? It was great - the bozos were actually bragging about how people would remember them after April 19th! Yet more evidence of the general level of stupidity inherent in the 'white supremacist' movement. > (what?! they were all in camps being gassed or hiding in attics, weren't they?) oh heavens no - the nazis never managed to get more than 90 percent in any given area - despite German efficiency, even then the nazis had no recourse but to recruit the ignorant, and mentally unbalanced...that's one of the problems nazis have always had - inability to recruit competent people, especially at the lower echelons...it's systemic, of course - right down to folks like Brescia, Strassmeier, and McVay. (see above) >slinking around Bavaria and Italy after the war assassinating and >poisoning German soldiers on "Nightline" last month? GOOD FOR THEM! That's an excellent Phase I insurgency technique! > Those tireless >avenging angels, who were just carrying out divine judgment when Jehovah >inexplicably wouldn't do it himself, Oh, but he did - he just had a different time scale in mind. Go back and look at the weather patterns in June 1944 - Operation Overlord received *just enough* good weather to get the troops ashore in successful beachheads...God works in God's time. > lamented that they couldn't use an atomic bomb that really was too bad - nuking a few thousand nazis could have shortened the war considerably, but then there weren't any functional atomic bombs available until the nazi's vaunted "tausande jahre reich" (what a misnomer!) had already begun it's final self-destruction. > (how might they have acquired one - from their colleagues at >the Manhattan Project, perhaps?) my goodness, you don't know anything about the Manhattan Project, either, do you? ah well, that's a discussion for another day. > instead of arsenic. well, one makes do with what one has. > Loose lips sink ships, as they used to say. another nonsequitor - look, if your masters' databases throw in spurious phrases like this, I'm sure it'll be alright with them if you edit them back out. You appear ignorant enough as it is, without being so obvious about the fact that you're simply copying something someone else has told you to post. > The spirit of Purim doesn't sit well with most >people. Even Ted Koppel looked rather sickened by the boasting. And yet another nonsequitor - look, if you are going to refer to specific Jewish holidays you're going to have to explain what you mean, or no one other than our Jewish members will understand what you're trying to say...sheesh...I would have *thought* that was obvious. >Still waiting for that infallible evidence! Follow my instructions to you above. After you have done so, *if* your masters have allowed you to live, and *if* you are indeed so dishonorable that you have not done the honorable thing to atone for your lies, *then* come back and we'll discuss what you've read and experienced. Arlin H. Adams
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