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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
Subject: Gas chambers
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Today's guest posting is from Fritz Berg.  Anticipating your question: 
"Why doesn't he do his own posts?," I am happy to report that by next
week, barring untoward difficulties, he WILL be doing his own posts. 

             Ross Vicksell
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An intense and brilliant, Prussian-blue staining is clearly visible not
just on the interior walls of the delousing chamber at Birkenau but also
on the exterior surfaces of the walls of the buildings which housed the
cyanide delousing chambers.  Faxing technology does not allow me to send
colored photographs, otherwise the issue raised by Danny Keren could be
quickly resolved. 

Two sentences from Pressac's Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers are relevant: 

... "The bluish coloring of the walls, internal and external, was not
visible at the liberation of the camp, but appeared in subsequent years,
under the influence of various physico-chemical factors which have not
been studied. The  [sic] phenomenon makes it possible now to
distinguish visually, empirically, but with absolute certainty, between
delousing gas chambers, where the phenomenon is present, and homicidal gas
chambers where it is not." 

I suggest that Keren and Pressac should have "studied" the so-called
"physio-chemical factors" as well as the "blue wall phenomenon" before
drawing any conclusions about a subject as serious as mass-murder.  Germar
Rudolf, a brilliant German chemist, formerly with the Max Planck
Institute, has studied the subject and has embraced the revisionist
position.  Ernst Gauss, also a chemist, and others have joined him--and
many more will follow.  The blue staining is still visible on the exterior
surfaces in spite of more than 45 years of weathering and the elements. 
By contrast, the allegedly homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz I or Main
Camp, whose internal walls are intact and have been protected from the
elements, totally fails to show any blue staining.  I suggest that Pressac
regards these facts as some kind of "phenomenon" because he knows they are
strong, clear, and dramatic evidence against his perverse extermination
theory.  The "blue wall phenomenon" underlines, once again, the fact that
the extermination theory is rubbish. Aerial photos are another example. 

Delousing gas chambers certainly could have used for mass-murder.  The
standard Degesch delousing chambers (10 cubic meters or 20 cubic meters)
employed rather sophisticated technology with circulation
blowers,automatic can openers,heaters, and specially-coated walls and
would have been, except for their small size, ideal for mass murder as
well as delousing.  However, except for Maidanek, a dual use has never
even been alleged.  The reception building at Auschwitz I was connected by
two open-air passageways to a separate building which contained nineteen
(19) such chambers (see Pressac-Chapter 3).  The alleged chambers for mass
murder of Jews bear only the crudest resemblance to standard Degesch
delousing chambers for keeping Jews alive.  If one is to seriously believe
the Holocaust theory, one must,in effect,believe that the murderers who
had trained in specialized schools as at Oranienburg in the use of cyanide
subsequently use superbly designed, cyanide gas chambers to keep Jews
alive while simultaneously using ordinary cellar rooms, with at most some
makeshift modifications, to kill thousands of Jews at a time.  These two
totally opposite activities supposedly occurred within only a few hundred
yards of each other.  Imagine, if you can, a typical German cyanide expert
awaking each morning and asking himself whether he was going to kill Jews
that day or save Jews or both.  Why delouse in the first place? 

As to the claim that some metal vents showed evidence of contact with
cyanide shortly after the war, I do not believe the Polish authories of
that time any more than I believe the Polish authorities of today.  Where
are these vents today?  The Polish authorities have saved shoes and
eyeglasses and hair and all kinds of junk but serious evidence got lost? 
Human hair was also supposedly analyzed at the time and supposedly showed
signs of cyanide.  No doubt a problem here was that the hair was
supposedly shaved before the Jews even entered the gas chamber--and so,
where did those traces come from if they were present at all? 

                           Friedrich Paul Berg


From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Diesel Chambers
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The Holocaust story is an insane hoax.  The people who spread this hoax,
and it makes no difference as to whether they are university grads or
faculty, have no idea as to what they are talking about. 
  
The vast majority of people supposedly killed in gas chambers were
supposedly killed with Diesel exhaust. That claim is absurd.  Diesel
exhaust from any Diesel engine in the world at idle, even fast idle,
contains less than 1/10 of one per-cent carbon monoxide.  To get higher
concentrations one must impose substantial loads on the Diesel engine.  At
full load, any Diesel ever built still yields a maximum CO level of only
.80 per cent or about only 3/4 of one per cent.  As a means for generating
CO for mass murder or for any purpose, a Diesel method is completely
cookoo--and yet, that was the method the Nazis supposedly used to murder
800,000 people in Treblinka and hundreds of thousands of others in Belzec
and Sobibor.  The exterminationists do not even have a
murder weapon that makes any sense.

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Diesel Gas Chambers
Date: 12 Jun 1994 15:36:12 -0400
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Keywords: Diesels and Toxicity

As to the challenge that I remain in a Treblinka gas chamber replica with 
Diesel exhaust entering from the outside, I will do it gladly to help show 
just how stupid the Diesel murder method theory really is.  The exposure 
should be less than half an hour, however.

As to the reply by Keren (Dr.?), McCarthy, McVay, and Mullins,  I suggest 
you actually acquire and read the article by Pattle et al which is so 
central to your arguments.  Apparently, you have not even read it yourselves.
If one of you faxes me a request for it at 1-(201)-944-2636 I will send 
you a copy.  Someone might also tell me where they get a CO concentration 
of 60,000 ppm even with a restricted air intake to a Diesel engine--I am 
sure you guys simply made it up.

Another point is the fuel/air ratio of 0.065.  That is simply not 
practical with liquid fuels; you will destroy your engine.  Data is 
occasionally given in the technical literature for such a ratio but only 
if the fuel is a gas to begin with otherwise the soot buildup in the 
engine stops the engine from running.

Perhaps someone would like to tell me why the Nazis would have ever chosen
Diesels for mass murder in the first place when gasoline engines were
available, or better yet, when they could have used any of the more than
500,000 self-propelled poison gas generators which produced a toxic gas
containing between 18 and 35% carbon monoxide.  During WW2, Germany and
many other countries, in order to conserve liquid fuels for military
combat vehicles and aircraft, converted most of their civilian and
non-combat transport to burn producer gas which is generated by burning
wood with a restricted air supply. The generators were mounted at the rear
of trucks and buses and even tanks later in the war and would have been
ideal for mass-murder--but nowhere has it ever been claimed that this
technology was ever used for murder by the Nazis or anyone else. 

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Keren the Coward
Date: 12 Jun 1994 19:29:45 -0400
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Summary: Admissions and evasions by the exterminationists
Keywords: Dies el Gas Chambers

In Keren's reply to my "Diesel Gas Chambers" in which I offer to remain 
in a Treblinka gas chamber replica with Diesel exhaust entering from the 
outside, Keren begins by backing out.  He rules this option out because 
(1) he is concerned about my health--that is deeply touching--and, (2) 
because he wants to first stuff the chamber with as many people as 
possible. According to the Gerstein "statement" which is used again and 
again by exterminationists such as Hilberg, death of all the victims 
occurred within 32 minutes from the start.  I have never seen it claimed 
anywhere that death took any longer than that and I am sure Keren has 
never seen any such claim either.  

I have offered to risk my life to try to educate some fools, and I do not 
even get my chance.  I am so disappointed but not surprised.  When the 
Kerens of this world are given a chance to deal with real facts and real 
evidence, they run as fast as their lies can carry them.

The letter from Just to Rauff which is generally identified as Nuremberg 
Document PS-501 is a forgery--"provenance unknown" but probably Soviet in 
origin.

Similar engines to Diesels from WW2 are easy enough to find today and they 
are not one iota cleaner once the catalytic converters are removed.

At least we have a concession from Keren that he must have dreamt up the 
60,000 ppm of CO that was given in a previous claim by himself.

Since Keren believes the Pattle piece is a "rather exact simulation of the
mass murder in Treblinka" technology, the issue should resolve itself
quickly enough because even in the most lethal of the experiments,
experiment D1 with a restricted air intake, it still took 3 hours and 20
minutes to kill all of the animals.  After only "one hour's exposure in 
D1 (0.22% CO), all except three of the 20 mice were dead" but then we 
read on: "All the rabbits and guinea-pigs were alive."  
The size of the Diesel engine makes no difference to the experiment 
whatsoever since it is the concentration of CO in air and not the total 
quantity of CO which is the determining factor.  A larger Diesel will 
bring the CO levels in any given chamber to equilibrium more quickly, that 
is true, but the Pattle experiments took this into account by running the 
Diesel gas into the chamber for half-an-hour before the animals were 
placed into the chamber. Using a 10,000 HP Diesel instead of only a 6 Hp 
Diesel would have made absolutely no essential difference at all.

 At least another concession by Keren about a fuel/ air ratio of 0.065.  
I was right, as usual, and he was wrong, as usual.  Nice of him to admit 
it even if in a backhanded way.

Using captured Soviet Diesels from tanks would have been neither cheap or 
efficient.  Any old VW gasoline engine would have been far cheaper and 
far more efficient--12% CO instead of 0.1% CO from a Soviet Diesel 
running at idle or even fast idle.  Cheapest of all would have been to 
use no engine at all but to use produce gas directly from any of the 
hundreds of thousands of generators which were readily available.   


From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Keren the Coward
Date: 14 Jun 1994 09:12:56 -0400
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Are you willing to concede that a chamber that is not stuffed with people 
but only one person instead and into which Diesel exhaust is introduced 
is INEFFECTIVE as a gas chamber?

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Keren the Coward
Date: 14 Jun 1994 09:19:25 -0400
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Also, if you wizards would ever both to actually read original sources
instead of restricting your small minds to each other's bullshit, you
might read the so-called "Gerstein statement" which says that Gersteiin
was timing the entire murder operation with a stop-watch! 

FPBerg

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Real War Criminals
Date: 23 Jun 1994 12:08:33 -0400
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Summary: The worst war criminals
Keywords: WW2

With all of the bleating about the dearly beloved and lost six million
Jews, one may lose sight of the fact that real war crimes occurred during
WW2 and that these real war crimes were at least partially inspired by
Jewish hatemongers not unlike many of the hatemongers busily at work in
this newsgroup. 

The Jewish Holocaust is a hoax as anyone who examines the
subject seriously quickly recognizes, but even if the Jewish Holocaust
were true in every fantastic detail, the war crimes committed by the
United States were far worse.  The US of A turned entire cities into
crematory ovens.  The bombing of civilian targets was a monstrous crime
the likes of which has never occurred in the history of the world.  The
atrocities of Genghis Khan or Attila or anyone else that one can think of
pale by comparison.  The vast majority of America's atrocious bombing
occurred when there was absolutely no danger to the US at all.  In the 
case of Japan, America's bombing campaign became more atrocious as Japan 
became ever more willing to surrender.  They were unwilling to accept 
unconditional surrender until the very end but they had been trying to 
surrender as early as January of 1945--and yet the good old USA began to 
roast the Japs with its raid on Tokyo in February and continued this 
policy until the atomic bombs were dropped.

If the Nazis had gassed people to death that would have been a crime but 
that would still have been humane compared to what this country actually 
did and then watched on television on Sunday nights for years with Walter 
Cronkite providing commentary in the Twentieth Century and Air Power CBS 
TV series.  No wonder that Silence of the Lambs was such a successful 
movie--America is a criminally insane society from top to bottom!

Some of the participants in this newsgroup seem to be religious.  I 
suggest that you pray real hard that there is no God because if there is 
a God, and if he is anything like the thing you imagine--that is to say a 
God who punishes criminals--then this country is in big trouble.  America 
is in trouble anyway; looking at New York and every major city as it 
becomes another Slumopolis one should wonder if he isn't there 
helping things along.

Take down those crosses and menorahs from your alt ars and put up replicas
of atomic bombs insteads because atomic bombs are what has saved this
country so far from some of the consequences of its own criminal stupidity
and viciousness.  Without nuclear weapons you would all be praying for
Adolf to come back and save your assess from Communism and the Jews. 

FPBERG   



From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: An "open letter" to Ken Mcvay
Date: 23 Jun 1994 18:23:52 -0400
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Dear Mr. Kaufmann,

It is nice to have a "Kaufmann" scold us about "hate-mongering crap."

Could you possibly be related to a Theodore N. Kaufmann of an earlier 
generation who gave us in March, 1941, nearly nine months before Pearl 
Harbor, that sensational book entitled: Germany Must Perish?  In that 
book, that other Kaufmann provided a detailed program for exterminating 
the Germans by sterilizing almost the entire male population or at least 
48 million of them with the services of 20,000 surgeons performing 25 
operrations per day.  Time magazine called it a "sensational" idea.

Surely, the two of you must be related or is it simply that you are both 
Jewish.

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Re: More Fred "Hannibal"
Date: 23 Jun 1994 21:05:33 -0400
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Why do you find it necessary to change Fred Leuchter to Fred "Hannibal?"  
Does the real name frighten you somehow?  Is truth so painful?

Modern Germany is dominated by Jews; that is what the current hate laws 
in Germany and elsewhere really show.  But, that is all ending and soon.

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Christian Identity
Date: 23 Jun 1994 13:54:07 -0400
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Appalled but not surprised by Christian Identity. 

If I were descended from one of the lost tribes of Israel, I wouldn't
talk about; I would keep it as deep a family secret as I possibly could. 
Anybody eager to be a member of a bunch of genocidal savages, which is
precisely what the ancient Hebrews really were, should have his head
examined.  According to that great source on ancient history, the Old
Testament--after the victory at Jericho, the Hebrews slaughtered  "every
living thing which breatheth" which would, presumably, have included cats
and dogs as well. And after that, they repeated their performance except 
as to the details, again and again and again.

Jericho was a good example for the modernday Holocaust hatemongers who
turned entire cities into crematory ovens in order to "make the world free
and safe for democracy." 

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Real War Criminals
Date: 24 Jun 1994 14:29:22 -0400
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>>The Jewish Holocaust is a hoax as anyone who examines the
>>subject seriously

...and is NOT terminally psychotic...

>>quickly recognizes

>>but even if the Jewish Holocaust
>>were true in every fantastic detail, the war crimes committed by the
>>United States were far worse.  The US of A turned entire cities into
>>crematory ovens.

Shein writes:...Unlike the Jews the Nazis had every opportunity to broker 
peace.  They weren't interested.  They continued their aggressions.....


What a stupid lie Mr. Shein.  Jews were agitating for a war against 
Germany already in 1933 and by 1939 they had pushed Germany into the 
corner so much that their wish came true. 
  Although Hitler offered peace to Britain on numerous occasions
throughout 1940--all of these proposals were rejected by Churchill.  The
British press was persuaded to portray the "Nazi Peace Offensive" as a
ploy to weaken British resolve.  In March 1941, however, Rudolf Hess the
second or third most important Nazi flew to Britain alone at great risk to
his life to prove with his own physical presence that Germany was
absolutely sincere about wanting to end the war and make peace with
Britain.  For his true Christ-like act he was rewarded, not with the Nobel
Peace Prize which he deserved, but with life imprisonment and murder. 

To forestall any more embarassment and displays of their own transparent 
viciousness and criminal insanity, the defenders of democracy including 
Stalin agreed to demand only "Unconditional Surrender" from Germany.

All of the crimes of the Romans etc are pale compared to the crimes 
this country committed in WW2 and after.  The kidnapping of Manuel 
Noriega with the killing of probably 4,000 civilians is just one recent 
example of the criminal insanity which permeates this society and about 
which the Sheins and Kerens and most Americans, hatemongers and 
non-hatemongers, have no sense at all.

Shein even goes on to blame the Nazis for bombing their own 
cities--that's what I call Hutzpah!

The vast majority of America's atrocious bombing
occurred when there was absolutely no danger to the US at all.

Shein writes:-->Then why were the Nazis running U-boats off the coast of NYC 
and into >the harbor?
The answer is that the Germans, once the war had been declared between 
Germany and the US and not before, tried to sink as many American ships 
as possible.  I am sorry they did not sink a lot more!

>>In the 
>>case of Japan, America's bombing campaign became more atrocious as Japan 
>>became ever more willing to surrender.  They were unwilling to accept 
>>unconditional surrender until the very end but they had been trying to 
>>surrender as early as January of 1945--and yet the good old USA began to 
>>roast the Japs with its raid on Tokyo in February and continued this 
>>policy until the atomic bombs were dropped.


>Ya know, you talk like there's just no choice in these matters.

>>America is a criminally insane society from top to bottom!

America should mind its own business and step meddling into the affairs 
of other people and about whom America consistently shows an almost total 
lack of the most basic knowledge or understanding. 

>>Some of the participants in this newsgroup seem to be religious.  I 
>>suggest that you pray real hard that there is no God because if there is 
>>a God, and if he is anything like the thing you imagine--that is to say a 
>>God who punishes criminals--then this country is in big trouble.  America 
>>is in trouble anyway; looking at New York and every major city as it 
>>becomes another Slumopolis one should wonder if he isn't there 
>>helping things along.

>>Take down those crosses and menorahs from your alt ars and put up replicas
>>of atomic bombs insteads because atomic bombs are what has saved this
>>country so far from some of the consequences of its own criminal stupidity
>>and viciousness.

>>Without nuclear weapons you would all be praying for
>>Adolf to come back and save your assess from Communism and the Jews. 

>Too late Berg-o, the commies and Jews ARE ALREADY IN CONTROL--but losing!
>			MOO-HAH-HAH!

I think INTERNET is great and so useful.  We'll be educating millions 
this way and having a lot of fun at the same time.  Maybe you hatemongers 
out there can bring Elie Wiesel on board.

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Re: Real War Criminals
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Dear Mr. Krolczyk,

There is a vast difference between bombing military targets and bombing 
women and children.  There is also a vast difference between bombing with 
high explosive to destroy machinery, military equipment, bridges, etc., 
and bombing with incendiary bombs to ignite residential dwellings. That 
great American general Curtis LeMay openly spoke about and wrote about 
his carefully calculated strategy which he first applied against Japan in 
February 1945 of "roasting" the Japs and their cities.  

On the first incendiary strike against Japan, the US already "roasted" or
"murdered,"  take your pick, more than 100,000 Japanese civilians, mostly
women and children.  Killing Japanese soldiers was very dangerous by
comparison--but women and children were easy and murdering them in large
numbers became an American specialty of which you Mr. Krolczyk are
obviously quite proud.  Some people, however, myself included regard LeMay
and the American military leaders and their henchmen, bomber crewmen,
etc.,as something else.  Those people, of whom LeMay was only one among
many, are not men, they are not soldiers--they are pigs! The fact that the
real war crimes of WW2 are completely ignored and we are given instead a
steady dose of Jewish Holocaust propaganda merely shows how devoid this
country is of any real moral judgement and who the real rulers are.

The bombing of civilian targets was begun by the British on May 10, 
1940.  The German response to the British repeated bombing of German 
civilians came only many months later.  Hitler's response was extremely 
restrained.  I suggest you read -- Bombing Vindicated -- by Secretary to 
the British Air Ministry, J.M. Spaight in which he admits that it was the 
British who begun the bombing of civilians and that it was a good idea 
about which the British should be proud instead of silent.

On the first incendiary strike against Japan, the US already "roasted" or
"murdered,"  take your pick, more than 100,000 Japanese civilians, mostly
women and children.  Killing Japanese soldiers was very dangerous by
comparison--but women and children were easy and murdering them in large
numbers became an American specialty of which you Mr. Krolczyk are
obviously quite proud.  Some people, however, myself included regard LeMay
and the American military leaders and their henchmen, bomber crewmen,
etc.,as something else.  Those people, of whom LeMay was only one among
many, are not men, they are not soldiers--they are pigs! The fact that the
real war crimes of WW2 are completely ignored and we are given instead a
steady dose of Jewish Holocaust propaganda merely shows how devoid this
country is of any real moral fiber. 
 
>Heh. I expected this sort of tripe to get posted to this newsgroup again.
>If it isn't Dan Gannon, it's Miltie Kleim. If it isn't Miltie Kleim, 
>it's Rick Savage. If it isn't Savage, it's Berg. A broken record _can_
>be played on many turntables, it seems...

Our numbers are growing; today the Internet, to-mavow the voyeld!!

>: The Jewish Holocaust is a hoax as anyone who examines the
>: subject seriously quickly recognizes, but even if the Jewish Holocaust
>: were true in every fantastic detail, the war crimes committed by the
>: United States were far worse. 

>Last time I looked, the US didn't resort to the mass execution of Germans 
>after they won the war.  

The fact is that the US did murder hundreds of thousands of German POWs
either directly or indirectly "after" Germany's surrender. The treatment
of German POWs prior to the end of the war was often fair but that was
certainly not the rule--lots of German POWs were murdered shortly "after"
they surrendered--but, at least, their was some restraint. No doubt
American politicians were afraid that Hitler might respond by murdering
American POWs in reprisal.  However, once Germany had surrendered, there
was a green light for Eisenhower and his henchmen to ignore the Geneva
convention completely.  James Bacques' excellent book -- Other Losses --
tells only part of the story of how German POWs were deliberately denied
food, water, shelter of any kind--not even blankets were provided--with
the resulting deaths of many hundreds of German POWs. Thousands were
gratuitously machine-gunned.  As many as one million may have been
murdered "after" Germany's surrender and "after" they had surrendered to
US troops. 
 
I do understand the difference
>between German actions and American ones during WW II, but that's hardly 
>suprising-people will believe all sorts of ridiculous bullshit if over-
>whelming evidence to the contrary gets their ideological goat.

>: The US of A turned entire cities into
>: crematory ovens.  The bombing of civilian targets was a monstrous crime
>: the likes of which has never occurred in the history of the world. 

The US resorted to the bombing of 
>civilian targets, they were scarcely the innovators in that department. 
You got that almost right: the US learned from the British.  

Most of America's bombing of Germany was in daylight against economic or
military targets with high explosive bombs, but the British who did bomb
civilian targets and resorted to firestorms of residential areas got all of
their financing from the US.  After March 1941, Britain was essentially
broke financially but was kept afloat with Lend-Lease which replaced the
Cash and Carry Policy.  The horrendous firestorms of Dresden, Hamburg,
Cologne and many other German cities were financed by Uncle Sam.

>: The vast majority of America's atrocious bombing
>: occurred when there was absolutely no danger to the US at all. 

>The vast majority of the Luftwaffe's bombing was undertaken when there 
>was no danger to Germany, either. Quite the opposite could be said, so 
>what's your point?
Here you merely show that you have absolutely no idea as to what you are 
talking about.  For example, from the defeat of Poland until the 
Sitzkrieg ended with the war in Norway, there was essentially no bombing 
of anybody by anyone.

>: In the  case of Japan, America's bombing campaign became more atrocious as Japan 
>: became ever more willing to surrender. 

>: They were unwilling to accept 
>: unconditional surrender until the very end but they had been trying to 
>: surrender as early as January of 1945--and yet the good old USA began to 
>: roast the Japs with its raid on Tokyo in February and continued this 
>: policy until the atomic bombs were dropped.

>If I recall correctly, Herr Berg,  --of course, you are not recalling 
correctly at all--    one of the reasons why these raids 
continued was to absolutely insure that the militarist diehards in the 
>Japanese government would be undermined. It may not like an especially 
>pretty way of dealing with the hardcore militants, but let's not forget 
>that _they_ weren't especially pretty in dealing with Harbin, Nanking, 
>Pearl Harbor or Malaysia, either.

The Chinese nationalists or communists weren't treating Japanese 
prisoners or civilians too kindly either--something you have never even 
thought about.  The bombing of Pearl Harbor was restricted to a military 
target after much provocation by the great Franklin "Dr. Strangelove" 
Roosevelt.  He asked for an attack and he got it.  The vast majority of 
civilian casualties arising from the Pearl attack were from Ammerican 
anti-aircraft fire that missed its targets.

From the middle of the war on, the USA was not simply demanding surrender
but "unconditonal surrender."  Why should the Japanese have been expected
to surrender unconditionally so long as American military leaders were
still afraid to attempt a landing on the Japanese home islands--they still
had something to bargain with.  Nonetheless, as the secret negotiations
developed, the only demand the Japanese still pursued prior to Hiroshima
was that they keep their emperor.  It seems clear enough that the
only "rational" justification for the nuclear bombings aside from the
sheer thrill of murdering lots of Japs was to impress the Soviets and make
them more compliant for American dreams about dividing up the world. 

But, let's assume your theory about Japanese "militarist diehards" 
is absolutely correct,--that still would give no one the right to "roast" 
Japanese women and children.  None whatsoever, not with incendiary bombs 
or nuclear weapons.   The same applies to Germany.  The deliberate murder 
of civilians was begun by the British, aided and abetted with the full 
support including financing from the USA.  The people responsible for 
such crimes shouldn't just be hung as war criminals, they should be  
burned alive.  That's the punishment that Eisenhower, Bomber Harris, 
Churchill, and many others truly deserved.  Compared to them, Adolf Hitler 
was and always will be a saint.    

If you and I get into a fistfight, do I have the 
right to go to your house and beat up your wife and kids because I find 
you too tough to handle?  Does it make it any better if I drop some 
leaflets over your house saying that I am going to do it the next day?   

No doubt, you will continue to have great difficulty understanding any of
what I have written.  But at least I have tried to civilize you.  You,
having more than likely grown up on the typical American diet of
self-praising lies and hate propaganda, in a society with the absolute
worst crime statistics of any modern country, totally blind to the
sickness and corruption within itself, will continue to find it much
easier to fault all other nations--including Nazi Germany.  Try to resist
the urge to think like all the idiots around you.  Nazi Germany, despite
its faults, was still a far more civilized and livable society than this
pigsty is ever likely to be.  The few good things that can be send about
America, freedom of speech is about it, do not make up for the fact that
America has been the mortal enemy of civilization ever since the Civil
War.  America held the entire world on the brink of total nuclear
annihilation for forty years because its leaders and people were too
cowardly to face the Soviet Union in a conventional war. 

The only country that could have defeated the Soviet Union in a
conventional war was Germany, but not with the USA and the British empire
attacking her rear.  

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Consequences of the Big Lie
Date: 25 Jun 1994 19:05:08 -0400
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Gee Mr. McFee, I was beginning to like you but now you turn out to be 
just another, All-American dumb slob.
 
The fact is that millions of Germans, probably seventeen million, were 
forced out of Sudetenland, Pomerania and East Prussis.  Large numbers, 
probably in the millions, were murdered in the process.

>No Germans got kicked out of the Sudetenland, Pomerania or East Prussia. 
>Germany lost a war of aggression that it had started and lost territory as
>a result.  It neither got, nor deserved, a pfennig of reparations.  In
>fact, as you very well know, and in spite of your beloved Fuehrer's lies,
>the Sudetenland had *never* belonged to Germany in recorded history.


The Sudetenland had never belonged to Czechoslovatakia either--in fact, 
their had never even been a Czechoslovakia.  Look it up--you'll see that I am 
right, as usual.

Woody Wilson's Fourteen points promised everybody they could choose, self
determination, as to which country they would belong to but the Sudeten
Germans, the second largest ethnic group in Czechoslovakia, were denied
this choice.  They had been part of the Austrian Empire until WW1, but
they would almost certainly have voted for union with Germany just as the
Austrian parliament did in 1919.  In fact, the Austrian parliament under
Karl Renner voted unanimously for union with Germany but they were
prevented from doing so by the treaty of St.Germain.  Nonetheless, they
continued to call Austria "Deutsch-Oestereich" for years, thereafter.  The
Sudeten Germans would have been even more inclined to vote the same
way.  Eventually, however, Hitler rescued them from Benes and his
pro-Soviet government.  The English Lord Runciman supported the Sudeten 
Germans and spelled out their various persecutions in his famousreport. 

The expulsion of, I believe three million, Sudeten Germana and the mass 
murder of several hundred thousand of them is openly admitted today 
by Czech President Havel who has apologized for this additional crime by 
the defenders of democracy.

Look it up, you'll see that I'm right as usual.

FPBERG 

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Vicksell turns to Bacque, looks the fool.
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Dear McVay, oy weh--oy weh,

Backing away from the Diesels for murder story, are we?  Found something 
safer like the treatment of German POWs? 

Except for the number of 1 million deaths which may indeed be too high, 
James Bacques' book is essentially correct.  The 
horrors of Andersonville, that was the Civil War, 
were pale compared to what the US inflicted on 
German POWs at the end of WW2.  What is far worse 
than what happened at Andersonville was that there 
was no excuse--the US military had an abundance of 
supplies including food which it deliberately 
withheld from the German POWs.

Apparently you actually believe this, McVay:
>Tell me this: of the thousands of Germans who *survived* American>prison camps during and after the war, none has ever reported
>anything like what Bacque talks about.  Many of these people
>are still alive, and can be interviewed.  I've got a whole 
>book of oral history of such experiences.  

>Why has nobody ever reported the supposed mass killing?

There are thousands of former German POWs from those camps still around 
WHO HAVE spoken out.  Many wrote replies which appeared in "Der Spiegel" 
in essential agreement with Bacques' book after the book first appeared 
in Germany.  

One relative of mine, Franz Boyen, had surrendered to the Americans in 
northern Italy.  His treatment by Americans was bad but then he was 
turned over to the French and imprisoned in Marseilles where conditions 
were horrendous.  One trick the French played one day was to tell the 
prisoners rather suddenly that they were free to go home.  When a group 
actually walked out the gate, they were mowed down by machine guns.  
Another German POW imprisoned by Americans, Rudolf Ressimueller-an 
Austrian German for what its worth--remarked at the gratuitous 
sadism which seemed to characterize the Americans.  They had to eat to 
grass while the American guards made a show of throwing food onto the 
ground to "tease" the prisoners.  The fact that hundreds of German POWs 
were dying from starvation and disease in that camp made no difference.

The most eloquent personal testimony that I have actually heard is from
Martin Brech who was an American guard for three months at the Andernach
POW camp.  Brech lives in NY and is also known to Ross Vicksell.
For three months he participated in the abuse of the German POWs,
reluctantly and under repeated protest which was of no avail.  The
prisoners were given a minimum of food to which they added grass for as
long as that was available, they were denied any blankets or shelter, and
worst of all--they were denied water even though the camp was within sight
of the Rhine river.  When a group broke out and ran toward the Rhine, they
were mowed down.  Occasional machine gun barrages into the camp at night
seemed to break the boredom for the guards. Eventually after sometime, I
do not know how long, the prisoners were allowed to dig a slit-trench. 
Some of the weaker prisoners fell in and drowned.  When Brech described
one such incident which he actually saw, he had to stop his speech and
could not continue for almost five minutes.  In addition to the sadism 
displayed in the camp, the Americans behaved as badly in towns outside of 
the camp.  In general, to be fair and accurate, near the end of the war 
and for a long time thereafter, American GIs behaved like pigs--I will leave 
the details for your imagination and for another posting. 

An Aunt of mine Lina Klein remembered seeing American guards shooting at 
civilians who were trying to bring food to the starving German prisoners 
at a camp near Krefeld. 

Brech has appeared in TV programs on this subject.  Other guards who at
first were willing to go public also, have since then been "persuaded" to 
remain silent. 
 
>[A German user commented...]

> Having read the first edition of his book and some other 'second hand'
> material on treatment of german POWs by allied forces as well I can in
> no way agree with Bacque's claim that more than 1 million POWs died
> in french and american custody.
> The true points in his book are 
> 1) The record keeping by american forces is a mess. 
> 2) Treatment of german POWs by France was criminal (100.000 presumed
>    dead by other sources too)  
> 3) Treatment of german POW by US forces was not according to international
>    standards
> 4) Eisenhower used legal tricks (POWs reclassified as DEPs etc.)
> 5) Eisenhower had psychic problem with regard to Germany
 
The anecdotal evidence for the atrocious treatment of German POWs is 
overwhelming, especially in a Rhine village like Bonn, but I am sure for 
political reasons it was downplayed and officially suppressed by the puppet 
government that the Germans were allowed to have for decades after WW2.

Regarding Eisenhower, I must repeat what I have said earlier and that is 
that he was one of the great war criminals of all time.  If he wasn't 
criminally insane, then no one ever was.  He was also for a time after the 
war, the president of my alma mater Columbia University where he acquired a 
well-deserved reputation as a good administrator but as a moron on 
political science.  Stephen Ambrose has made his career out of the 
Eisenhower mythology and as an apologist for Eisenhower.  The Eisenhower 
legend is the butter on his bread and he is merely disgracing himself, 
rather typical of American hackacademics, in the long run with his 
fanatical defense of Ike and the WW2 mythology. 

>The total of German POW losses in the West during that time was between
>6,000 and 10,000 persons 
-------the above merely shows how out of touch with reality  one can become.

The following is probably worth examining carefully and I am sure Bacques 
is doing that now for his new book coming out probably in the Fall, stay 
in touch for details about a NY Conference with Bacques as principal speaker:

>Most convincing evidence against Bacque's hypothesis is that the "Deutsche
>Diensstelle" (German registration office for military losses) did register
>less than 60,000 missing soldiers on the Western front and in the Western
>part of the Reich during the whole period 1939-1945/46. Those numbers are
>including missing personnel during the bomb war. As the pensions for the
>relatives of missing/killed soldiers are based on the data of that office,
>it would be impossible to hide away hundreds of thousands of MIAs. 

If Maschke dared to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth in the present, Jew-dominated Germany, his career would be ruined.  
People in  Germany at the present face, for example, a three-year jail 
sentence merely for saying: "The Holocaust is a Hoax."

>Surely this isn't the best CODOH has to offer?
The best that CODOH has to offer focuses of the Holocaust Hoax.  For 
information, contact or write:

CODOH
P.O. Box 3267
Visalia, CA 93278
Fax: 1-209-733-2653

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rudolf Hess (was Re: Real War Criminals)
Date: 26 Jun 1994 16:07:55 -0400
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Dear Reader,

The reason for why Hess was probably murdered by British assassins was 
because Gorbachev had just a short time earlier made it clear that he and 
the Soviet government would have no further objections to his release.  
If Hess had been released, he would have been free to talk about what 
really happened in Britain and before his flight.

FPBERG


From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rudolf Hess (was Re: Real War Criminals)
Date: 26 Jun 1994 16:12:26 -0400
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Dear Readers,

Everyone can and should subscribe to:

The Journal of Historical Review
P.O. Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA 92659
cost per year is: $40.oo

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: An Open Invitation.
Date: 26 Jun 1994 16:16:54 -0400
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Dear Readers, 

There are even Jews at IHR conferences so, all of you out there in 
cyberland might as well get on the bandwagon and come to the next IHR 
convention or subscribe to the journal.

The Journal of Historical Review
P.O. Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA 92659
cost per year: $40.00

Learning the truth broadens the mind!

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: The consistency of the denier mind (was re: Bacque)
Date: 26 Jun 1994 16:46:46 -0400
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Dear Mr. Stein,

There are lots and lots of Jewish eyewitness accounts about their 
experiences in German concentration camps, but there are hardly any 
so-called eyewitness accounts of mass murder in gas chambers.  There are 
some but, I repeat, very few.  There are only about a dozen that I 
have ever seen and of those, most are so obviously phoney that they are not 
even used by the Holocaust pseudo-scholars such as Hilberg and Martin 
Gilbert.  The one "eyewitness" that they all hang their hats on again and 
again is SS Lieutenant Kurt Gerstein and his story is the Diesel story.  
That story is rubbish for many reasons--especially for the inherent 
absurdity of any Diesel for mass murder methodology.  

If you think you have a better piece of socalled eyewitness testimony,
please let us all know about it.  Don't just say you have lots and lots of
eyewitness testimony--anybody can say that.  Put up or shutup. The fact is
you ain't got anything better than Kurt Gerstein and no German wartime
documents either. 

Put up or shutup!

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Berg lying about Operation Reinhard killing engine
Date: 26 Jun 1994 16:30:23 -0400
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Dear Cybernut,

There are lots of potentially toxic gases in the air we breathe all of 
the time.  It is the concentration that is critical.  Usually the 
concentrations are harmless, if the CO concentration exceeds 1% as is 
often the case with a small fire or even an explosion, it can kill in 
minutes.

If the Nazis had simply placed a small fire inside a potential gas 
chamber or into an adjoining room with ductwork to allow circulation to 
and from the intended gas chamber, that would have worked.  But that's 
not what we are given in the Holocaust story.  We are given instead the 
preposterous story that some kind of Diesel was located outside the 
building (on a stand, perhaps).  That arrangement would have with fast 
idle yielded less than one/tenth of one-percent CO--not enough to give a 
headache in half-an-hour.  If the engine had been artificially loaded, 
far from easy (read my article), it would still in the worst case have 
yielded only 0.4% CO, i.e., less than 1/2 of one-percent.

CO poisoning by accident is extremely common and hence there is a vast
literature on its toxicity.  Read some of that literature in any good
medical library before you spread anymore stupid lies about the Nazis
murdering people with Diesel exhaust. 

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: The consistency of the denier mind (was re: Bacque)
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Dear Readers, 

The treatment of Jewish prisoners in German concentration was never as
bad as that of the German POWs in many of Eisenhower's death camps after
the war.  No one, even in the wildest of the so-called "survivors
accounts" has ever claimed that Jews were denied blankets and had to sleep
in the open or in whatever holes they could dig with their bare hands. 
Even under the worst of conditions in German concentration camps which
occurred in the last months of the war, the Jews at least had
shelters--roofs over their heads and food.  Even when the quantities of 
food were meager, they did not resort to eating grass.  

The reason conditions in Bergen-Belsen and other German concentration
camps were as bad as they were was not because of any policy of the Nazis
or SS, it was because of Allied bombing of everything that moved on the
ground including, as Chuck Yeager explained in his autobiography, farmers
tilling their potatoe fields--nice, easy, safe targets for the GIs. 
Eisenhower's abuse of German POWs carried out all along the chain of
command was deliberate and atrocious and inexcusable.

The causes for the high death rate in Bergen-Belsen and other camps was 
spelled out clearly at the end of the war in the Journal of the American 
Medical Associaition and Lancet and many other medical publications.  The 
principal cause of death was typhus.

For more information, subscribe to: 
The Journal for Historical Review 
P.O. Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA 92659

also, support:
Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
P.O, Box 3267
Visalia, CA 93278
fax:1-209-733-2653

The truth may set you free!

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Diesel Fog--Oy Weh, McVay
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Mr Kaufman is obviously Jewish and a living example of why the Nazis 
tried to remove Jews from Europe and short of that, into concentration 
camps for the duration of the war.

FPBERG




From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: 6 HP Diesels vs. 500 HP Diesels for Murder
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Summary: There ain't no difference.
Keywords: Diesel Gas Chambers

Dear Barry Shein, Brian Harmon, Scott Mullins, McVay and anyone else,

Someone insisted that there must be a BIG difference in the toxicity of 
Diesel exhaust from a 6HP Diesel vs. a 500HP Diesel.

Please enlighten me.  Please tell me with some kind of rational
explanation--we have seen enough hysterics--why a chamber filled with
Diesel exhaust from a 500HP Diesel is anymore toxic than a chamber filled
with Diesel exhaust from a 6HP engine.  Please try to explain that to me
if you possibly can.

Why is  a chamber filled with the exhaust from a 500HP Diesel any more 
toxic than a chamber filled with the exhaust from a 6HP Diesel?

Please don't run away from the subject.  Educate me if you possibly can--I 
am anxious to learn.

The truth may set us all free.
In the meantime, support CODOH

FPBERG

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: An Open Invitation.
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:


>Hmm... Mr. Vicksell has offered me an opportunity to discuss with you
>in a life radio procram. I've been considering it last two days. My
>wife says that I should not interfere because you gays are dangerous.

Sorry to disappoint you Mr. Nenonen but I am not gay and my wife will 
verify that.

>I'm only doubting my English abilities. They are limited here in written
>form and they are more limited when I have to express myself in English
>ina life radio procram. So, it's no fair. But if you can make some
>suggestion to give me some respite for my languagical disabilities, I'm
>ready to go for it. 
>In witt and in facts you are a piece of cake, Mr. Berg, but I'd really
>want to hear here in public, how are you plan to make that program (dunno if
>it's c or g in that word). 

If you really think I am a piece of cake, you have the chance to prove 
it right here on the Internet or at least give some indication that you 
yourself are not just another hatemongering like all the other 
hatemongers on the Internet.  I am used to making allowances for people 
whose English.  Lots of the hatemongers around here haven't learned how 
to read too good either.

>Do I have time to think about your "facts" and
>time to translate my answers in English? If you can answer even these
>questions, It would be fun for me to make you look like a nutcase in
>a public discussion.

You are most welcome to try but you are going to be disappointed--I 
promise.  You can also reach me by E-mail

The truth may set us all free.
Support CODOH

Regards, 

FPBerg

From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Bradley,

It looks like the testimony of a real war criminal has surfaced.  If that 
is your father, I am sorry for you but there is no point in you deluding 
yourself that he was anything else.  

At least you seem willing to admit to the "barbaric treatment given some
[sic] prisoners".  The claim that in these "slave camps [Witten?] people
were systematically killed by starvation and disease" is original and it
is also rubbish.  Did Col. Bradley happen to notice any of the effects of
American and British bombing of civilians?  The US Strategic Bombing
Survey Medical Branch Report has a number of photos of Germans burned alive
in some of the large communities in Germany--I dont suppose the colonel
noticed anything like that.  Perhaps I should send you some.  As to 
seeing "200 such camps large and small" this is obviously a very big lie 
and I suggest you not repeat this story too often if you value the 
colonel's reputation.

There were millions of starving Germans at the end of the war and some of
them were more than willing to lie about friends and neighbors in order to
improve their own situation.  That was the payoff, of course--if you
testified against someone the US prosecutors were out to get, you were a
good German and you were a lot better off.  Steven Halow was an American
soldier involved with the Dachau trials and has revealed just what was
done in his own book which is available from the IHR.  The title escapes 
me at the moment. 

German is my first language and my conversations with Germans give a very
different picture of what conditions were like.  My wife was actually
there and went through one bombing of Wuppertal-Elberfeld.  Would you like
a desription of the burned victims afterwards?  Would you like
descriptions of civilians who were deliberately strafed by American
fighter planes and fighter bombers?  As to concentration camps, there was
no secret about them; the Nazis had often enough invited the International
Red Cross to see conditions for themselves.  As to possible "death camps" 
other than concentration camps, in the west there weren't any.  Your
colonel was fantasizing.  He wanted to believe in crap like that; it must 
have made him feel warm and righteous inside the way a typical Hollywood 
production tries to make people feel. 

No doubt many prisoners held by the Germans near the end of the war had 
terrible living conditions but there was a housing shortage in Germany at 
that time.  Maybe the colonel noticed some of that even though he did not 
find it important enough to mention.  Most German cities had been reduced 
to moonscapes.  If some POWs were kept in townsquares there was an 
understandable reason, but for Eisenhower there was no comparable reason 
to force German POWs to starve in the open without even blankets and for 
many months after the war.

Let me also repeat what I have said elsewhere that American GIs in Germany
near the end of the war generally were pigs and their officers did next to
nothing to control them.  Rape was rampant and taken for granted--but
looting was even more obvious.  I have not met any Germans who cannot
describe seeing at least one GI with his arms covered with wristwatches. 
Didn't American boys get wristwatches for their birthdays like German
boys--one man asked me.  There was easy enough for officers to see but they
did nothing--on the contrary, they participated and it wasn't just
wristwatches that they took.  The fact that your relative was an American
officer in Germany at the end of WW2 is nothing to be proud of.  The fact
that he was involved with the prosecution of the losers while at the same
time being a member of the military organization that committed far more
heinous atrocities than anything he could even dream up in his wild
account--is a disgrace.  No doubt, stories like his helped to rationalize
American crimes in Germany and American plans to destroy Germany forever
in keeping with the Morgenthau Plan. 

The colonel deserves a good smack in the face and worse--sorry, but he 
really deserves it.  He is also a liar.

FPBERG
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Dear McVay, 

Please address my simple challenge:

Explain to me why you believe a chamber filled with the exhaust from a 
500Hp Diesel is any more toxic than a chamber filled with the exhaust 
from a 6HP Diesel.  

Put up or Shut up!

FPBERG

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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Bradley,

When you stuff the bulletin board with as much material as you are now 
doing, there is absolutely no way that I can possibly respond to all of 
it.  At least have the decency and good sense to refrain from using 
secondary source material such as the work of Robert Jay Lifton, a true 
hackademic, and Arno Mayer who at least was enough of a revisionist to 
admit that most of the deaths in Auschwitz were from disease and NOT gassing.
I could just as easily stuff the bulletin board with a copy of Arthur 
Butz's book--The Hoax of the Twentieth Century--also.

There certainly was a euthanasia program but it did not employ gas.  There
is credible documentary evidence, as far as I am concerned, of injections--
but not of gas.  The only somewhat serious evidence for gassings in 
connection with euthanasia is the postwar testimony acquired easily enough
under threats and outright torture.  Bear in mind that proving guilt by 
confessions was common enough here in the US until the Supreme Court's 
Miranda decision tightened the rules.  Torturing prisoners in US jails 
was common enough until then and it wasn't any better in US occupied 
Germany.  Most of the Malmedy massacre defendants at the Dachau trial had 
their sentences commuted because of public outrage over the torture of 
the prisoners as revealed by a Simpson commission and as a result of some 
of the outcry from Sen. Joe McCarthy. 

As to the morality of euthanasia, I will leave that to a higher authority. 
The fact is that when German clergy protested, it was stopped.  A number
of hackademics have tried to tie the euthanasia program together with the
alleged subsequent Diesel gas claims. Their attempt is a failure. 

I am still waiting for anyone to give a rational argument as to why the
Diesel claim should be regarded seriously--the people on this board show
again and again that they have no understanding of even the most basic
technical subject matter.   I am still waiting for someone to tell me why 
a chamber filled with exhaust from a 6HP Diesel would be any less toxic 
than a chamber filled with exhaust from a 500HP Diesel or even from a 
10,000HP Diesel.  Perhaps you would like to tell me.

As to a more serious summary of the extermination theory, I suggest 
everyone consider the following words of Raul Hilberg from NEWSDAY, 
February 23, 1983, page II/3.
"There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive 
measures.  They were taken step by step, one step at a time.  Thus came 
about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of 
minds, a consensus--mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."

Mind-reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.  I didn't know bureaucracies 
could do that.  Even with the revelations of the interceptions of the 
highest level coded German messages, broken by Ultra etc, there is no 
good evidence that even one person was ever killed in a Nazi gas chamber.

You are obviously a thoughtful contributor to this newgroup.  Why not 
subscribe to:
The Journal for Historical Review
P.O. Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA
cost: $40.oo per year

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Bradley.

It has, of course, become acceptable to commiserate over the treatment of
Japanese Americans in internment camps--you are right on that.  But as far
as the treatment of German POWs is concerned, the reaction is quite
different and one can see that right here on this bulletin board with the
vitriolic attacks on the Bacques thesis.  No doubt, a major factor is the
Jewish factor.  No one has managed to even claim that the Japs were
anti-Semitic. 

Your wrote:  
 Mr. Berg, however, declares 1000's of
documents in the national >archives to be forgeries, because they spell
out Nazi atrocities - when >he isn't trying to justify those acts, that
is. 
I have never declared that "1000's" of documents are forgeries.  There are 
only a few that I know of and they are enough.  One forgery is PS-501 
which is a supposed letter from Just to Rauff explaining how people were 
supposedly gassed to the death in a parked Saurer truck.  It is a forgery 
for a number of reasons that will take too much time for me to explain 
here except to say that this is a document with "Unknown Provenance" of 
which there are at least three versions. Also, it is a document consistent 
with the Soviet attempts in 1943 to prove in their show trials in Kharkov 
and Krasnodar that the Germans were murdering many thousands of civilians 
with Diesel exhaust in Saurer trucks.  The explanations given all imply 
that the Diesels were operating at idle or fast idle which does not even 
produce enough CO to give anyone a headache in half-an-hour.

>More questions for Mr. Berg: In the statement I posted, you rather 
>conveniently glossed over the fact that the Russian POW's were treated
>far worse than were other nationalities (the oh so hated Aericans were
>probably treated the best).  What is your explanation for this, if the
>starvation was all the fault of the Allied war efforts?  Shouldn't
>the Belgian and Russian prisoners have fared equally poorly?  If it was
>all a lie, as you state, why wouldn't the "liar", an American, state
>that Americans were treated the worst?  Could it be that the differential
>treatment was due to the Nazi concept of "untermenschen"? 

The great advantage American and other western POWs had was that they got
packages with food and cigarettes, usually through the Red Cross, and, as
a result, they were in most cases far better off than their captors. With
cigarettes they could trade with their guards. The Soviet Union regarded
Soviet POWs held by the Germans as traitors and so they got nothing
comparable.  Many hundreds of thousands of Soviet POWs did indeed suffer
and die terribly and, I am sure, there was cannibalism as well.  It was
occurred often enough among the Russians even before the war during the
twenties.  I have heard stories that it even occurred in Germany in 1945
among German civilians. 
 
>Why did Speer
>admit to using slave labor (10's of 1000's of men), in the book he wrote,
>many years after the war ended, and never retract it?  More lies, Mr. Berg?
>If so, why did Herr Speer lie?

Speer was very clever and that was why he survived the Nuremberg Trial.  
He was certainly in one of the best possible positions to know what was 
going on in German concentration camps since the camps were indeed a 
major part of the German armaments program--if the prosecutors had wanted to 
connect him to atrocities, they certainly could have done it easily 
enough.  He was very compliant and--for him at least, it worked--it saved 
his neck.  

The usual number given for slave laborers working in Germany is in the
millions.  I know there were at times as many as eight million foreign
workers in Germany, mostly from Eastern Europe.  I will not pretend to be
an expert on this subject but I will tell you my opinion based on some
evidence and lots of anecdotes.  Most of them volunteered and were damned
happy to get the work.  I am sure the vast majority were paid for their
work and, in most cases, at the same wage scale as Germans for the same
work.  They were housed in standard German military type barracks
buildings not unlike inmates at Dachau or ordinary German soldiers.  There
was a housing shortage after all in Germany at that time.  As to out and
out "slave" labour, I suspect there was some but it was quite different in
nature from what is alleged--it was applied, I am sure, to criminals and
those who had been put into concentration camps for partisan activities. 
I do not know whether Jewish inmates were paid, but I suspect they were. 
All of these people had an intense interest in portraying their work
conditions in the most horrendous terms after the war--as many of them
did.  To admit to being pro-German and to having "volunteered" to work in
Germany was almost suicidal.  There was drafting or conscription
of labor as well but the proportions I do not know. Some people were
drafted for work in the same way that other people were drafted for the
military--but, I believe the vast majority were paid for their work. 

That's all I have time for today.

FPBERG




---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:25:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Friedrich Berg 
To: "Michael P. Stein" 
Subject: Re: Degesch manual

Dear Michael,

Do not trust secondary sources at all.  Since you are obviously dealing 
with a tertiary source here, you should be super cautious.

However, I will give you my opinion based on many years of going through 
original sources and conversations with Zyklon specialists, including one 
former director of DEGESCH.

The text is probably genuine but it refers to fumigating a building such
as a barracks.  Zyklon B was routinely used not just by the Germans but
even by the US Army for routine periodic fumigation of all barracks.  From
the temperatures given in the text you cite, 5 degrees C is only 41
degerees Fahrenheit, it is apparent that it pertains to cold weather
conditions when the cyanide could only evaporate out of the Zyklon B quite
slowly. 41 degrees F. is well below the boiling point of cyanide. 

Delousing chambers would generally have been quite different.  The
"standard Degesch chambers," the terminology meant something quite
specific, ALL had heaters to raise the temperature of the chamber
including contents to more than 80 degrees Fahrenheit which is above the
boiling point of cyanide.  Cyanide boils at 78.6 degrees Fahrenheit. That
is why one could disperse the cyanide quickly and after fumigation,
ventilate the chambers rapidly as we well.  That technology was routinely
used to fumigate clothing at Auschwitz but never to commit mass murder at
Auschwitz, even if the Holocaust hoax is accepted. 

I will send you copies of my article--The German Delousing 
Chambers--which contains translations of a number of original German 
technical articles which you can probably see in the original form from 
the Library of Congress.

On this subject, I can put up real easy.  There was lots and lots of
material because a lot was available, even in English, for use by the
American Army.  I will add one more important point which shows what utter
quacks the so-called Holocaust scholars, Hilberg especially, and at least
one of the so-called gassing eyewitnesses really are.  Those quacks have
to this day no idea as to what Zyklon B really was; they never took the
trouble to do the most basic research into the nature of their great
murder weapon.  Hilberg and others repeatedly speak of Zyklon-B
"crystals."  There ain't no such thing. It is obvious to me that Hilberg
regards Zyklon-B as some kind of deadly mothball--he is inexcusably wrong 
as usual.

That's all for today.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Baglow,

If I understand you correctly, you agree with me when I contend that a 
chamber filled with exhaust from a 500HP Diesel is no more toxic than a 
chamber filled with exhaust from a 6HP.  Thank you.

Thank you for agreeing with what I thought was obvious also.  Please
convey the obvious to Shein or McVay or whoever it was who insisted that I
must have been out of my mind for not admitting that the exhaust from a 
500 HP Diesel would have been far, far more toxic than that of a 6HP Diesel.
 
By small steps, sometimes seemingly miniscule steps we can make some real 
progress.  The next step is to reexamine the results of the British 
report by Pattle et al about Diesel engine toxicity.  Eventually, not 
today--I dont want to overload anyone's grey cells, we can go on to see 
that the Diesel claim applied to Belzec and Sobibor also, and to the gas 
vans supposedly used in Russia--and that in all cases, it is rubbish!

That's all for today.

The truth may set us all free and some good old Arbeit will help as well.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:

Dear Mr. Nenonen,

You seem to be sincere enough and not like the usual hatemongers in 
this newsgroup. 

>You seem to have much hate in you, Mr. Berg. I don't hate you, but I hate
>the hate you represent.

Well I do hate bigots, and liars, and war criminals and hatemongers.

>I can tell you that things could
>be worse also in US continent and maybe you are exaggerating a little bit
>with your oppinions.

I am certainly not trying to exaggerate or overstate my opinions.  America
is an extremely sick and dangerous country--a menace to the world.  

For me the last straw was the US attack on Panama to kidnap Noriega which
caused the deaths of perhaps as many as 4,000 civilians.  Although Noriega
might have been a very bad man, he was the head of state of a foreign
country.  Whatever crimes he committed in connection with drug dealing or
whatever were committed outside the US.  The real reason he was kidnapped
however was because he was unwilling to help the US in its illegal war
against Nicaragua.  Imagine the reaction if Mexico had kidnapped Noriega
and had killed 400 civilians in the process.  What was Saddam Husseins
invasion of Kuwait compared to that? 

The massacre of the Iraqi Republican Guards as they were leaving Kuwait 
and AFTER the ceasefire agreement, was another monstrous crime which 
caused not so much as a ripple in the American jingoist press.  The word 
"jingo" comes from a British song:

We don't want to fight, but, by jingo, if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money, too.

Americans like to think they are always for peace--we don't want to fight-- 
but the facts are different.  They enjoy war, they love it.  Watching 
those laser guided bombs destroy buildings was the closest thing I have 
seen to cause sexual ecstasy in Americans without the sex act itself.

>Then again, nobody here has ever denied that bad
>things happened to German POWs during the WWII both in Europe and especially
>in Russia. 

Well, someone in this newsgroup, I cannot recall who, insisted that I 
could not claim that German POWs were murdered or exterminated by the 
Americans--and so, I brought up the Bacques book--Other Losses.  The 
reaction was as frenetic as anything I have seen on this bulletin board 
yet.  You can probably still look and find some of those responses.  If 
I had their addresses I would gladly send each of them a piece of carpet 
so they could wipe the foam off their mouths and then have something 
solid to chew on.

>But you seem to forget who started the war. 

Germany started a war against Poland which became a world war when England
and France declared war on Germany.  So what?  Starting a war is not in
itself a crime.  The Israelis start a war almost every year against one of
their neighbors and they get no criticism at all in the US press.
According to John Toland, near the end of the first day of the invasion of
Poland, Hitler offered to withdraw all German troops from Poland--and even
pay reparations to Poland for the damage caused--if Poland could be
brought to a conference table to negotiate the non-territorial issues
which Hitler had been trying to negotiate with Poland for months prior to
the invasion.  But, regardless of who starts a war, no one has the right
to deliberately murder civilians whether by shooting, strafing or mass
incineration--is that really so difficult to understand.  With all of the
advantages America had going for it, enormous material superiority,
untouched and undamaged factories, allies and almost unlimited manpower,
the Soviets marching in from the other side--it still financed and engaged
in mass murder of civilians and then POWs--and then had the Hutzpah to
prosecute the losers for war crimes.  And it still continues today with a
special branch of the US Justice Dept called the "Office of Special
Investigation."  If this country isn't criminally insane then no one is or
ever was. 

Contrary to what you have been led to believe, it is the evidence against 
the Holocaust story which is overwhelming and not the other way around.  
Confessions and eyewitness testimony and even documents are easy enough 
to concoct.  Hard physical evidence is quite another matter.  Corpses or 
remains of people killed with cyanide or CO are nonexistent even though 
there were many thousands of corpses available for inspection by 
forensic specialists after the war.  Six million or more people were 
supposedly killed in gas chambers and to this day there is not even so 
much as one bone or tissue fragment anywhere which has been analyzed showing 
that it comes from someone the Nazis killed in a gas chamber--isn't that 
incredible.  In addition, the alleged gas chambers do not even make sense 
technically.

One kind of hard evidence which clearly refutes the extermination story is
aerial reconnaisance photographs such as the ones taken by Allied aircraft
over Auschwitz every month from April 1944 through January 1945.  Those
photos clearly show that many of the most often used "eyewitness" stories
are simply lies.  The story was that the chimneys of the crematoria at
Auschwitz spewed forth smoke and flame 24 hours per day which could be
seen for miles and that as many as 16,000 corpses were burned in open pits
every day also.  The photos, in all cases, fail to show even so much as a
whisper of smoke from any of the crematoria chimneys.  As to burning open
pits which certainly should have been even more visible, far more visible,
there was absolutely nothing at all. 

>Still I haven't seen anything that would give a slightest reason to
>start to whitewash the nazis.

I suggest you begin your reeducation by getting a copy of Arthur 
Butz's--The Hoax of the Twentieth Century--from: 
The Insitute for Historical Review
P.O. Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA  92659
USA

An excellent somewhat technical book in German which has used some of my 
research is: 
Vorlesungen ueber Zeitgeschichte
by Ernst Gauss
published by Grabert Verlag, D-7400 Tuebingen, Postfach 1629, Germany

The truth may set us all free--and Arbeit helps also.

FPBerg


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Dear Mr. Keren,

You are a foul-mouthed SOB and that is all you have ever proven.  

One certainly can reach high CO levels, perhaps even as high as 6%, if one
is willing to adjust the maximum fuel/air ratio stops, far beyond the
normal safe settings--and impose a heavy load, far beyond the normal
maximum load, on a Diesel engine.  If there is no external load on the
engine, you will not be able to get more than one-tenth of one per cent
CO.  You can play with the screws all you want, without an external load 
you will be idling and your maximum CO level will still be less than 
one-tenth of one per cent.

The above is far more than you will ever be able to understand but you 
should try before you try to give me a lecture in engineering.  I am an 
engineer.  Your arguments are pure bullshit!

Walk before you try to run!

Maybe some other engineer out there in cyberland will have the patience 
to teach this Jewish trash something about the real world.  I have lost 
my patience.  

FPBerg 



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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Kaufman, 

I cannot possibly respond to your entire diatribe but I can give you some 
time as to one aspect of your posting: John Demjanjuk.

Demjanjuk supposedly operated the Diesel that killed 800,000 people in 
Treblinka--I hope we agree that that is at least the generally accepted 
story.

From your mountains of evidence or from someone else's mountains of 
evidence, please describe in some detail what that Diesel gas chamber 
arrangement really amounted to.  Was it a tank engine?  Was it outside? 
was it inside?  Please give me whatever details you can spare so I that I 
can ponder the true horror of that story.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Flygare,

So nice to hear from Holland. As to your critique of 
what I have written, please read the reference I 
suggested originally first. Rotterdam was bombed on May 14 by the 
Germans and not on May 10. 

Bombing Vindicated-- was definitely not published by the IHR.  It was
published in 1944 by Geoffrey Bles, 37 Essex Street, Strand, London. 
It is a classic refernce work used again and again by numerous 
scholars regarding the bombing of Europe.  

The British Major-General J.F.C. Fuller in his classic work--The Second 
World War 1939-1945---gives us the following quote on page 222  
from Spaight: 

"We (the British) began to bomb objectives on the German mainland before
the Germans began to bomb objectives on the British mainland.  That is a
historical fact which has been publicly admitted . . . Yet, because we
were doubtful about the psychological effect of propagandistic distortion
of the truth that it was we who started the strategic offensive, we have
shrunk from giving our great decision of May 1940, the publicity which it
deserved.  That surely was a mistake.  It was a splendid decision.  It was
as heroic, as self-sacrificing, as Russia's decision to adopt her policy
of 'scorched earth'."  Spaight, pages 68 and 74.  Fuller noted that 
Spaight spoke with authority since he was Principal Assistant Secretary, 
Air Ministry.

On page 404 of his work, Fuller writes as follows:
     "It may seem a little strange, nevertheless it is a fact, that 
this reversion to wars of primitive strategy was made by Britain and the 
United States, the great democratic factions of cadocracy, and not by 
Germany and Russia, the two great autocratic factions of the same cult. 
Not because the last two were the more civilized, but, as Captain Liddell 
Hart pertinently remarks--the more military-minded.   ". . . the Germans," 
he writes,  "having studied war more closely than most people, had come 
to see the ultimate drawbacks of destroying cities and industry, and the 
way that this damages the post-war situation . . ."  quoted by Fuller from 
--The Revolution in Warfare, by Capt. B.H. Liddell Hart (1946), p.70.

All three of the works I have cited above are well reading for any basic 
understanding of air warfare.

I also recommend that you get a booklist from:
The Institute for Historical Review
P.O. Box 2739
Newport, CA 92659
USA

That's all I have time for today.

The truth may set you free.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Flygare, 

I suppose the Nazis must have been mind readers afterall.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr. Bradley,

sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:

>I have a copy of a Nazi-made film depicting a T4 gas chamber - forgeries
>again, Mr. Berg? BTW, this film was not discovered until some time after
>the war, so it would have been of no use in the war crime trials.

I do not believe you Mr. Bradley.  Prove that you have such a film 
and that it is not just some footage of something that is perfectly 
ordinary and innocent.

Put up or shutup!

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Deaar Mr. Flygare,

>   >>> Let me also repeat what I have said elsewhere that American GIs in
>   >Germany near the end of the war generally were pigs and their
>   >officers did next to nothing to control them.  Rape was rampant and
>   >taken for granted-<<

Your response was:

>       Sadly, this is the rule in war, not the exception.  Since the French
>   were allies and the Germans the enemy, I don't find it surprising that
>   there was more reaction to the rape of French women than to that of
>   Germans.  What I do wonder - though I know there's no way to get a real
>   answer - is if the officers would have been more willing to prosecute the
>   rapists of German women if the penalty had been something less than 
>   death.  Perhaps, perhaps not.

>       I also wonder if Mr. Berg has any knowledge he would like to share
>   with us on the behavior of German troops during World War II towards
>   conquered civilian populations.  How about it?  Any comments on this
>   subject, Mr. Berg? 

    Rape may well be the rule in war in general but not in the German
Army--in the German army it was the rarest of exceptions.  When it
occurred, it was punished ruthlessly with execution and the SS was the
most ruthless in maintaining its own discipline.  Rape was rare even in
Russia and that applied to looting as well.  The German army of WW2 was a
real army the likes of which neither you or I will ever see again.  The
American army was and still is a circus for armed juvenile delinquents. 

Would you care to argue that rape by German soldiers was rampant in 
Holland?  Would you care to argue that rape by German soldiers was common 
in Holland?  If you would try to argue that, I would call you a 
goddamned liar and you would know I was right.  I dare say that in your 
entire life you never even heard of German soldiers raping in Holland.

Even a viciously anti-German journalist like William Shirer remarked,
based upon his own observations, at the excellent German military
discipline in Belgium or Holland--I can't recall exactly where at the
moment. 

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
>The German army of WW2 was a
>real army the likes of which neither you or I will ever see again.  The
>American army was and still is a circus for armed juvenile delinquents. 

Gee, sorry if the US military doesn't live up to your standards. I am
*sure* they're concerned...I suppose they could work on their goose
stepping...

But again, I thank Mr Berg for making it so evident that these
"revisionists" have no actual revelation about the holocaust to
offer. They're simply Nazi apologists in general and will invent
anything that suits them towards that end.

>Even a viciously anti-German journalist like William Shirer remarked,
>based upon his own observations, at the excellent German military
>discipline in Belgium or Holland--I can't recall exactly where at the
>moment. 

How much other stuff that Shirer says do you accept as credible?

>The German army of WW2 was a
>real army the likes of which neither you or I will ever see again.

1945

"On March 5, the German Armay began to enrol [sic] all boys born in
1929, even before they reached their sixteenth birthdays."
							pp 646

	"Second World War", Martin Gilbert

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In article <2uqfsj$atm@mary.iia.org> bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg) writes:

>Dear Mr. Flygare,

>So nice to hear from Holland. As to your critique of 
>what I have written, please read the reference I 
>suggested originally first. Rotterdam was bombed on May 14 by the 
>Germans and not on May 10. 

I hope your facts regarding WWII are better than your knowledge of
geography. Uppsala is in Sweden, as the .se also indicates)
The books I have state that the campaign started on the tenth, and the
next date is over a week later, so given that I can only assume you
are correct. Now then, what town was it that the british bombed the
10th of May?

>Bombing Vindicated-- was definitely not published by the IHR.  It was
>published in 1944 by Geoffrey Bles, 37 Essex Street, Strand, London. 
>It is a classic refernce work used again and again by numerous 
>scholars regarding the bombing of Europe.  

1944? That means it's not all that easy to come by. I'll have to place
an order for it, which means it might be available within 6 months.
I have not seen it referenced in the papers I have available here in
Sweden, so it'd be nice to hear the names of the numerous scholars
that refer to the book.

>The British Major-General J.F.C. Fuller in his classic work--The Second 
>World War 1939-1945---gives us the following quote on page 222  
>from Spaight: 

>"We (the British) began to bomb objectives on the German mainland before
>the Germans began to bomb objectives on the British mainland.  That is a
>historical fact which has been publicly admitted . . . Yet, because we
>were doubtful about the psychological effect of propagandistic distortion
>of the truth that it was we who started the strategic offensive, we have
>shrunk from giving our great decision of May 1940, the publicity which it
>deserved.  That surely was a mistake.  It was a splendid decision.  It was
>as heroic, as self-sacrificing, as Russia's decision to adopt her policy
>of 'scorched earth'."  Spaight, pages 68 and 74.  Fuller noted that 
>Spaight spoke with authority since he was Principal Assistant Secretary, 
>Air Ministry.

I fail to see why this should be so strange. The British had a large
contingent on the mainland, together with the other allies. It'd be
downright stupid _not_ to give them air support. Also, objectives does
not usually mean civilians when you are talking 'militarese'. (Unless
a decision to perform terror bombing is taken, which happened on both
sides later in the war) Do you have any references supporting that
'objectives' should be taken to mean 'civilians'?


>On page 404 of his work, Fuller writes as follows:
	"It may seem a little strange, nevertheless it is a fact, that 
>this reversion to wars of primitive strategy was made by Britain and the 
>United States, the great democratic factions of cadocracy, and not by 
>Germany and Russia, the two great autocratic factions of the same cult. 
>Not because the last two were the more civilized, but, as Captain Liddell 
>Hart pertinently remarks--the more military-minded.>". . . the Germans," 
>he writes,  "having studied war more closely than most people, had come 
>to see the ultimate drawbacks of destroying cities and industry, and the 
>way that this damages the post-war situation . . ."  quoted by Fuller from 
>--The Revolution in Warfare, by Capt. B.H. Liddell Hart (1946), p.70.

Yes, if you want to _invade_ a country, you would certainly not want
to smash the industry you are to take over. It would too costly, and
drain economic means from the military hardware industry, something
the germans could not afford. The allies on the other hand, had
_every_ reason to do the opposite, for the same reason, that is, to
make the war too costly for Germany. This is standard military
strategy. Can you please explain to me why this is strange?

>All three of the works I have cited above are well reading for any basic 
>understanding of air warfare.

The sentence above does not parse well, but I think I understand what
you're getting at.
I have read several works on warfare, both standard military, as well
as marine and air warfare, mostly regarding tactics, but some w r t
strategy as well. If you bother to read the corresponding works in
english, I think you'll find that it is a marked difference in warfare
depending on if you are defending or attacking. 

For what it's worth, I can not bring myself to regard the air warfare
used by both sides as a kind of preventive 'scorched earth' warfare.
(That is not saying I do not regard it as inhuman, I do, but if you
look at it and check what will cause the enemy military structure most
damage it is wise to take out their industry first.)
So, what you really are saying is that the Germans tried for the big
price, but were slow on the uptake and lost the lot.

>I also recommend that you get a booklist from:
>The Institute for Historical Review
>P.O. Box 2739
>Newport, CA 92659
>USA

If the books are as good as your quotes, and the interpretation,
thanks, but no thanks.
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In article <2uqvug$5ah@mary.iia.org> bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg) writes:

>I suppose the Nazis must have been mind readers afterall.

No, but they probably thought they were. Now, _that_ would explain a
_lot_ of things the Nazis were doing..


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In article <2ur08u$5qi@mary.iia.org> bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg) writes:

>sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:

>>I have a copy of a Nazi-made film depicting a T4 gas chamber - forgeries
>>again, Mr. Berg? BTW, this film was not discovered until some time after
>>the war, so it would have been of no use in the war crime trials.

>I do not believe you Mr. Bradley.  Prove that you have such a film 
>and that it is not just some footage of something that is perfectly 
>ordinary and innocent.

Instead of just repeating the magic incantation 'Prove this! Prove
that!', could you explain what would be a satisfactory way of proving
that he has the film, and secondly how to prove it's authenticity. 
(Preferrably in such a way as to minimize the cost of the process, as
many of us have more important use for our money than using it to shut
you up) 
Would it be OK if he had X people in the neighbourhood validate his
claim? (People with net access) Or do you demand a copy? Or pray tell,
will you settle for no less than the original? 
If satisfied with the first of your conditions, what would be
satisfactory proof of its authenticity? Written statement by the
person(s) who filmed? 

Demanding proof on the net is tricky business, and it is quite clear
you know that. But since _you_ insist on proof, it doe4s not become
you that you provide no statement about what youregard as satisfactory
proof. It smells very much of the now-famous 'Lies, all lies' period
of Dan Gannon.
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Your attributions of the quotes are all fuc.. wrong.
Please do not attribute quotes to me that I did not write.
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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Re: 6 HP Diesels vs. 500 HP Diesels for Murder
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Dear Michael,

I have already answered all of your 
and Scott Mullins' arguments except for one.

That is the argument about the effect of engine size upon the percentage 
of CO in the exhaust, all other things being the same such as fuel/air 
ratio. I hope I am paraphrasing your position fairly--tell me if I am wrong.
You wrote as follows:

>    [Again, this comes from a graph in one of the references chosen
>    by Berg himself.  The small diesels put out 0.2% CO at a fuel/air
>    ratio of 0.065.  The large one put out 0.4% CO at a fuel/air ratio
>    of 0.065.  Double the engine size, double the CO ratio? - mstein]

>Could this mean that larger diesel engines produce deadlier
>fumes?  There really isn't enough data to extrapolate to the
>size engines used at Treblinka
. . . . . .
> but the trend toward increasing
>CO emissions with an increase in engine power output is
>certainly clear in the  44Bhp to 150 Bhp range.

>    [Berg would have us believe that every diesel ever made (of the same
>    basic type, at least) has essentially the same exhaust gas composition
>    at the same fuel/air ratio.  Scott Mullins points out that Figure 6 in
>    his own reference shows this to be false. - mstein]

>I don't see how an even larger engine would be safer than the 
>150Bhp tested but perhaps Gannon can enlighten us.

>Perhaps Berg should learn how to _thoroughly_ read his references,
>eh?

Although the above is all a bit confusing, you do seem to have a very 
original theory here which is worth refuting.  Percentage CO increases 
with size of Diesel engine.  I think that is what your theory is--correct 
me if I am wrong--and the proof for you is the fact that Elliott and 
Davis test engines produce more CO as they increase in HP from A to C.

Before I scratch my brain any further to answer you, could you please 
tell me whether or not Mr. Mullins agrees with your theory?  Could you 
please tell me whether or not any of the other people on your side agree 
with you?  I am just curious.

You conclude your essay with following:
>    So anyway, Mr. Berg, care to address Figure 6 in the Elliot-Davis
>reference which you yourself cited?  The one which shows a doubling of
>engine horsepower producing double the CO percentage in the exhaust?  I 
>doubt that you find Elliot and Davis engage in "hysterics," as you 
>yourself cite them.

You have me in such a corner and all of my brainscratching seems to be of
no avail. Please tell me whether Scott Mullins (your scientist from Purdue
University?) and some of the others agree with your theory. 

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Mr Shein,

Your claim that one-tenth of one per cent CO is fatal is simply wrong.  
Please check your source and read it carefully.  My original 1984 article 
gives numerous sources.  CO poisoning has been thoroughly studied and you 
can check any book on toxicology for the true numbers and exposure times.

One tenth of one percent CO is considered "dangerous" by modern
environmental standards for long term exposures because if one man in
1,000,000 should die from that level it would, be a disaster for
a tunnel operator, for example.  But as a toxic level to kill all or most
of any group of people in half-an-hour, it is impossible. 

Read my original article.  It has several charts and a detailed explanation.

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Dear Mr. McVay,

kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>In article <2un0ji$nnb@mary.iia.org> bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg) writes:

>>Dear McVay, 

>>Explain to me why you believe a chamber filled with the exhaust from a 
>>500Hp Diesel is any more toxic than a chamber filled with the exhaust 
>>from a 6HP Diesel.  

To the above challenge you have responded with a counterchallenge as 
follows:
>Mr. Berg, I'd be happy to discuss that with you the moment you admit 
>to your lie about all the camps using diesel engines. This is the
>fourth time I've mentioned your lie to you, and yet you continue to
>avoid responding.

>I have provided evidence to support my allegation that you lied in
>your paper, and here in this newsgroup. You have had ample time to
>explain your error, and it _is_ an error, and yet you seem strangely
>reluctant to address it.

>Until you are prepared to respond to my accusation that you are a
>liar with regard to your spurious claim that diesels were used at
>camps like Belzec and Sobibor, you should not find it surprising
>that users dismiss your 'research' as so much paleo-Nazi propaganda.

>Since your paper contains this lie, and your articles here continue
>to assert it, how do you expect anyone to take anything else you
>have to say with a grain of seriousness?

My, oh my, McVay--you must know that I have never claimed that Diesels
were ever used for murder at any of the camps.  It is the
exterminationists, people who generally share your views, who have been
claiming that Diesels were used for mass murder at Belzec and Sobibor as
well as Treblinka.  Since about 1983, however, perhaps as a result of my
article (I really have no way of knowing for sure) they have been backing
out of the Diesel story at least for Belzec and Sobibor. 

Apparently you never actually read my article or at lest not very 
carefully.  Next time, please do that before you accuse me of lying.

The reference I gave in 1983 and 1984 was Leon Poliakov's--Harvest of
Hate--Holocaust Library [Schocken Books, 1979), p. 196.  The text by
Poliakov which I quoted in my 1984 article on my page 20 reads: "there is
little to add to this description [meaning the Gerstein statement] which
holds good for Treblinka, Sobibor as well as for the Belzec camp.  The
latter installations were constructed in almost the same way and also used
the exhaust gases from Diesel motors as death agents." 

There are other references I could give for my claim that it was 
supposedly Diesels that were used as the source of CO in all three of 
those camps, Poliakov was the source I used then and that is all I will 
give now.  I hope that answers you.

Can you address my challenge now?

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Date: 29 Jun 1994 21:40:36 -0400
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Dear Mr. Shein,

You are right about one thing--your arguments don't impress me.

FPBERG



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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Gee McFee,

You're awfully dumb.  Can't you go find another newsgroup to go and play 
with?

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Re: Berg _still_ avoids explaining his lie...
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Dear Mr. McCarthy,

Read my article before trying to tell me about what I said or did not 
say, whether I lied, or about all the things I have supposedly failed to 
deal with.

Of course, a larger engine will fill a chamber faster than a smaller 
engine  (RPMs being roughly the same).  Of course, if people like you 
with your "heaps of evidence" could tell the world how big the murder 
engine really was and maybe a few other details like manufacturer, no. of 
cylinders or at least something,--we could zero-in on the problem much more 
rapidly.  What I have done with my work has been to give as many benefits 
of the doubt as possible and even then, the Diesel claim is still absurd.

Since your "heaps" give us next to nothing beyond the Gerstein statement,
I have been forced to deal with the much broader question of whether any
Diesel engine in the world could have been used for such a purpose.  Since
you have not even been able to read my text which clearly spells out the
source and the actual textual basis for my claim that Belzec and Sobibor
"supposedly" employed Diesels to generate CO for mass murder--I see that I
must go slowly, step by step, if I ever hope to persuade you. 

Back to my challenge about the importance of size--6 HP vs 500 
HP--what exactly is your position?  I can't figure your position out.  Is 
Scott Mullins out there reading any of this to offer his opinion--and why
would he have such an opinion.

Please answer my very simple challenge and stop running for cover.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Subject: Re: 6 HP Diesels vs. 500 HP Diesels for Murder
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Dear Mr. Baglow, 

Let's go ahead and do it.  I accept your challenge.

Where are you located.  You can reach me by E-mail also.

FPBerg



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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dea Mr. Krolczyk,

Why not take some vallium and sleep it off.  Maybe, tomorrow you'll feel 
better and then with a cup of coffee or two you can start up the computer 
and type the "Pledge of Allegiance" a couple of times.

FPBERG


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From: bergf@mary.iia.org (Friedrich Berg)
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Dear Ms. Brown,

I think I can say without being too immodest that 
I am one of the leading revisionist on the Holocaust story around 
today.  I will try to answer all of your questions 
but only briefly.

#1 >Why do you beleive the Holocaust is a fabrication?
Answer: Because the evidence in support of the Holocaust is exceedingly weak 
and the evidence against is extremely strong, even overwehlming.

#2  >Who do you think has a vested interest in 
saying that it did occur?   Answer:  Jews in general, the State of Israel 
in particular but also all of the victors of WW2 and their beneficiaries 
which include toady the present political leaders in Germany.

#3 >Do you consider yourself anti-Jewish?  Answer: Not generally.

#4 >Do you beleive that the Nazis killed anyone, such as gypsies and gays, in
camps?  Answer:  Executions for a variety of offenses occurred but as a 
matter of general policy, NO.  None were killed in gas chambers.

#5 >Have you ever been to one of the death camps? Answer: I have been to 
Dachau twice, Mauthause twice and Auschwitz for a three-day period.

#6 >Do you beleive that the Nazis were anti-Jewish? Answer:  Yes

#7 Do you believe the Nazis >implemented anti-Jewish law codes? Answer: 
Yes

#8 Do you believe the Nazis >carried out imprisonment?  Answer: Yes.

#9 Do you believe the Nazis >intended extermination but did not do it? 
Answer: No, and most emphatically. No.  They never intended it and they 
never did it!

#10 >Do you approve of the Nazi party and its platforms? Answer: Most 
parts of the Nazi party platforms and program are perfectly acceptable to 
me as they are to most people.  All nations and peoples have a right to a 
Nazi party of their own making and style and generally they have them.  
The US has two very prominent Nazi parties, the Republican and 
Democrats.  As far as I am concerned, both are extremely nationalistic and 
both are socialist as well.

#11 >Were you alive during WWII?  Answer: Yes.

#12 >What would it take to definitively prove to you that the Holocaust 
*did* occur? Answer: Good evidence.

#13 >What happened to all those Jews who disappeared?  Answer:I am not 
aware of any general shortage of Jews whatsoever.  The Jewish population 
of France is today several times greater than it was before the war.  The 
Jewish population of the former territory of Palestine is also many times 
greater than before the war.  There is an abundance of Jews who were in 
so-called "Nazi death camps" still today visibile almost continuosly 
throughout this society.

#14 >Do you believe that all Nazi documentation of the Holocaust was 
fabricated? Answer: No.

#15 >If the Holocaust did not occur, what is wrong with people thinking that 
it did? Answer:  It is an insidious fairytale often used to rationalize real 
atrocities such as the slaughter of the Palestinians on a number of 
occassions and of the Germans after World War 2.

#16 >What scholar do you feel best represents your views?  Answer: I 
think I best represent my own views.

Friedrich Paul Berg

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