This little disagreement between Harold "Winston Smith" Covington and Marc Lemire was posted publicly to several mailing lists. Mr. Covington is the head of the National Socialist White Peoples' Party. Mr. Lemire is associated with Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, notably in a technical capacity. Subject: FINALLY! MYSTERY SOLVED! Sent: 1/5/97 2:01 PM Received: 1/5/97 2:44 PM From: NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net To: mlemire@interlog.com Dear Mr. Lemire: FINALLY! Mystery solved! At last you have given me the information necessary to stop your receiving NSNet Bulletins! I found one df.org address on our list and I have removed it. Your precious mailbox should not be befouled any more with nasty old National Socialism. Let us recap. This is an absolutely classic example of how Movement imbroglios start, and it is highly instructive. You began complaining last November, I believe it was, that you were receiving politically incorrect e-mail from us. I accordingly removed you from the list. You bitched at me again, saying you were still receiving our stuff. I checked the list again to make sure that you were not on it, nor were you on our list, anywhere. From that day to this, your e-mail address has never graced our growing listserv. I e-mailed you back and stated that "either our material is being forwarded or YOU ARE LINKED TO ANOTHER E-MAIL ADDRESS." (My emphasis). Had you then told me, "Oh, yeah, I have my own server, so please remove anything with a df.org suffix" there would have been no problemo. Instead you responded with a series of obscene and hysterical e-mails, threatening me, cursing me, and babbling personal smears and slanders at me. At that point I simply wrote you off as one of the Usual Suspects and assumed that, like all my slanderers, you were either making it up out of some ulterior motive or else you were simply insane. What had happened was that you were responding, as so many Movement people do, with PERSONAL PIQUE as opposed to political instinct. The skins of Movement people are as thin as tissue paper; to Movement people anything which remotely resembles criticism or disagreement is personal betrayal, treachery of the blackest hue, proof postive that anyone who offers a criticism or presumes to disagree is (of course!) a SECRET AGENT OF THE ENEMY who is being paid vast, huge sums to SPREAD DISUNITY IN THE RIGHT WING (or Revisionist movement or Klan or whatever). I mean, it's obvious, isn't it? Since Fearless Leader (and of course ourselves by extension) are absolutely perfect and Marked By Destiny For Great Things, then obviously anyone who might say otherwise is AN AGENT OF THE ENEMY yes! and a horrible traitor who must be destroyed at all costs, never mind such paltry considerations as truth, fairness, or the good of the cause. Okay, yours is a minor example, but it's the same principle in action. I informed you of a simple fact---you were not and are not on our list---and I got two months of shrieking hysterics, profanity, threats, and raving complaints to Earthlink. Had you approached me just ONCE with reason and calm, and said, "Mr. Smith, there's a problem here. I am still receiving your material," and had you provided the information that anything with df.org on it came to you (I asked you about other e-mail links repeatedly but got no other answer than four-letter words) then I would have done what was necessary to solve the problem. Everything that followed was the result of your reaction to my telling you, in perfect good faith, that you were not on our list and I could not understand how you were getting our material. You did not respond with reason or comradeship: instead you screeched like a castrated chimpanzee and launched a series of complaints to Earthlink and vile personal attacks on me. Now, two months later, you finally get around to providing me with the information necessary to solve the problem. These computer thingies are powerful tools of communication, Marc, but I've noticed they are like guns. They give someone a feeling of power and inflated self-esteem, the ability to engage in conduct and vicious verbal abuse at long distance that you would never dare to do to somebody's face. (Ask Little Willie, a prime practitioner of the art.) You are a very talented writer. Please take this as a lesson and don't let the thrill of being in cyberspace get to your head. I've been in "this thing of ours" for 24 years now; listen to the voice of experience. Do not be ashamed to admit that you are young and you still have much to learn. 88! Winston Smith "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM Further info: http://www.nswpp.org Subject: Re: FINALLY! MYSTERY SOLVED! Sent: 1/7/97 12:22 AM Received: 1/7/97 12:26 AM From: Marc Lemire, mlemire@interlog.com To: NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net First off, I find it quite strange that you sent this private message to me to everyone you forced on your nswpp list. But since you want to publicize this to everyone, i'll send this through the C2.org and Eskimo list servers. >Dear Mr. Lemire: > > FINALLY! Mystery solved! At last you have given me the information >necessary to stop your receiving NSNet Bulletins! I found one df.org address >on our list and I have removed it. Your precious mailbox should not be >befouled any more with nasty old National Socialism. Don't treat me like an idiot. Your ideas are not the reason I requested you to stop sending me messages, the price it costs me to receive them are the reason. If you asked me first before just sending me messages, I would have spoken to the rest of the Digital Freedom team and we might have worked out something, but instead you just tried to shove your information down our throats. > Let us recap. This is an absolutely classic example of how Movement >imbroglios start, and it is highly instructive. You began complaining last >November, I believe it was, that you were receiving politically incorrect >e-mail from us. I accordingly removed you from the list. You bitched at me >again, saying you were still receiving our stuff. I checked the list again >to make sure that you were not on it, nor were you on our list, anywhere. >From that day to this, your e-mail address has never graced our growing >listserv. I e-mailed you back and stated that "either our material is being >forwarded or YOU ARE LINKED TO ANOTHER E-MAIL ADDRESS." (My emphasis). In my original message back in November, I told you EXACTLY what addresses to remove. And you did not remove them. I also NEVER complained about the content of your messages. You are simply lieing here. Why on earth would I complain about the content of your message??? > Instead you responded with a series of obscene and hysterical >e-mails, threatening me, cursing me, and babbling personal smears and >slanders at me. At that point I simply wrote you off as one of the Usual I see why you are soooo liked on the Internet. So far in this message, you have lied on 3 different occasion. I have NEVER wrote obscene, threatening, babbling or cursing messages to you. All my messages were professional and asking you to remove me from your list, which YOU never did. However your messages back to me WERE crazy, claiming things like "You are a secret agent", "You work for Nizkor", "Someone else is sending you the messages.. not me! [probibly the Jews to make you hate me]", "You are doing this with ulterior motives..." Now who sounds hysterical? >Suspects and assumed that, like all my slanderers, you were either making it >up out of some ulterior motive or else you were simply insane. What had >happened was that you were responding, as so many Movement people do, with >PERSONAL PIQUE as opposed to political instinct. The skins of Movement >people are as thin as tissue paper; to Movement people anything which >remotely resembles criticism or disagreement is personal betrayal, treachery >of the blackest hue, proof postive that anyone who offers a criticism or >presumes to disagree is (of course!) a SECRET AGENT OF THE ENEMY who is >being paid vast, huge sums to SPREAD DISUNITY IN THE RIGHT WING (or >Revisionist movement or Klan or whatever). You have completly lost me here. What the hell are you talking about... "secret agents"? > I mean, it's obvious, isn't it? Since Fearless Leader (and of course >ourselves by extension) are absolutely perfect and Marked By Destiny For >Great Things, then obviously anyone who might say otherwise is AN AGENT OF >THE ENEMY yes! and a horrible traitor who must be destroyed at all costs, >never mind such paltry considerations as truth, fairness, or the good of the >cause. ?????? Who is the one "Babbling"? > Okay, yours is a minor example, but it's the same principle in >action. I informed you of a simple fact---you were not and are not on our >list---and I got two months of shrieking hysterics, profanity, threats, and >raving complaints to Earthlink. Had you approached me just ONCE with reason Again repeat the lie of me threatning you, profanity, threats. Let me remind you, that a lie repeated 6 million time does not make it truth my simple repetition. Stop LIEING. >could not understand how you were getting our material. You did not respond >with reason or comradeship: instead you screeched like a castrated >chimpanzee and launched a series of complaints to Earthlink and vile >personal attacks on me. Now, two months later, you finally get around to >providing me with the information necessary to solve the problem. COMRADESHIP? Why should I have any comradeship with you? You have in this message alone you have lied about me and on the verge of calling me a agent of "Nizkor" You are nothing more than a shit disturber, trying to harrass and condem any person you personally do not like. I have no time to listen to your constant lies and character assasination. > These computer thingies are powerful tools of communication, Marc, >but I've noticed they are like guns. They give someone a feeling of power >and inflated self-esteem, the ability to engage in conduct and vicious >verbal abuse at long distance that you would never dare to do to somebody's >face. (Ask Little Willie, a prime practitioner of the art.) Funny that is exactly what many people have said about you. > You are a very talented writer. Please take this as a lesson and >don't let the thrill of being in cyberspace get to your head. I've been in >"this thing of ours" for 24 years now; listen to the voice of experience. Do >not be ashamed to admit that you are young and you still have much to learn. You may have been in this for '24 year' but over the '24 years' you have made nothing but enemies. Boy arn't you special. -Marc Lemire Digital Freedom System Administrator ********************************************************* ** DIGITAL FREEDOM BBS ** 152 Carlton St ** ** Canada's most controversial BBS ** Suite 545 ** ** Node 1 (416) 462-3327 14.4 V.42 ** Toronto, Ontario ** ** Node 2 (416) 465-4767 33.6 V.34 ** M5A 2K0, CANADA ** ********************************************************* AVAILIBLE NOW!!!!! FREEDOM CD-ROMS 600+ megabytes of controversial information - E-Mail: cd-rom@df.org AFTER BEING CENSORED BY PATHWAY COMMUNICATIONS - FREEDOM-SITE IN EXILE! Check out the FREEDOM-SITE - http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzGZcY0AAAEEALnIMYv4BWpc86dXqmKhaVkaGxLU4m2pN5vTxpIHAtWwsrhX +A1j6xPKPII/RmJZjGTiLmaShiXFt7lnysUrauBhjyIfNKkACme0jbsqYJNfuf4U +rQRe0NrfJY8eRty9ghhdz/U6FNreIfYMZxrBAHnL5+3yuBiwaospIxUsvhRAAUR tCFNYXJjIExlbWlyZSA8ZnJlZWRvbUBwYXRoY29tLmNvbT4= =Xonz -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Subject: Marc Lemire's Attack on NSWPP Sent: 1/7/97 1:22 AM Received: 1/7/97 1:39 AM From: NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net To: nswpp@earthlink.net To Whom It May Concern: The recent statements made by Marc Lemire in his public attack on myself and the National Socialist White People's Party are false in their entirety, and Mr. Lemire is fully aware that they are false. The account which I have given of the matter is completely correct and entirely factual. I am right. Mr. Lemire is wrong. It is that simple. I am becoming extremely weary of being subjected to this kind of vicious attack, and I will comment no further on this particular incident. I am becoming even more completely indifferent to what these people think of me or whether or not I am believed than I was before this latest onslaught. As Agent Mulder says, "The truth is out there." I will continue to seek out and publicize that truth. Those who don't like it can get stuffed. -Winston Smith "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM Further info: http://www.nswpp.org
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