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Subject: Demjanjuk Case - U.S. Court of Appeals (15 of 17)
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Keywords: Sobibor,Treblinka,Demjanjuk

   APPENDIX 5

   DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

TO: Arthur Sinai, Deputy Director, OSI

FROM: Bernard J. Dougherty Jr., Criminal Investigator

SUBJ: HORN, Otto - Report of Interview
[**96]
REF: OSI #42 - DEMJANJUK, Iwan

   On November 14, 1979, Otto Horn, German national and
citizen of West Berlin, was interviewed at his residence,
Yorck-Strasse 66, Berlin, Germany, by Norman Moscowitz,
Staff Attorney-OSI, and by the reporting officer. Due to the
fact that HORN neither spoke nor understood English, the
entire interview was conducted in his native German
language, with George Garand-OSI and the reporting officer
translating. Theinterview [sic] began at 9:04 a.m.

   . . . .

   During the course of the questioning concerning the
operation of the gas chamber, HORN voluntarily mentioned one
"Iwan" (last name unknown), who was one of two Ukrainians
who were responsible for the actual operation of the engines
which provided the gas for the chambers. HORN was unable to
recall the name of the other Ukrainian, describing him as
tall and thin, with blond hair, and being approximately 22-
23 years of age. HORN further recalled that the two
Ukrainians were immediately subordinate to a German, known
only as "Schmidt."

   HORN described "Iwan" as being of stocky build, black
hair cut short, full rounded face, tall, with no
distinguishing marks on his face. HORN remarked that "Iwan"
had some technical  [**97]   ability, since he repaired and
maintained the gas engine and was known by HORN as being
able to drive an automobile (apparently somewhat of a rare
[sic] among the Ukrainians at that time). HORN indicated
that he arrived at Treblinka during September, 1942 and
stated that "Iwan" was already working there. HORN added
that "Iwan", Schmidt, and the other unidentified Ukrainian
were the only three individuals who actually worked at the
gas chamber, that is, in the operation of the engine. HORN
stated that for the period September 1942-September 1943,
when he was at Treblinka, "Iwan" worked at the gas chamber
every day.

   . . . .

   The reporting officer advised HORN that there were a
series of 8 photographs of caucasian males, which he was
requested to review carefully and individually. Each of the
photographs depicted an individual in dark clothing. Prior
to the interview, care was taken to minimize the amount of
uniforms which would be readily discernable in each
photograph. Nevertheless on a few photos, a portion of a
uniform could be seen. Each picture showed the bust of the
subject. The individuals possessed hair of different length,
varying physical buildings, and a variety of ages, ranging
[**98]   from the early twenties to the forties. One of the
photographs was that of Iwan DEMJANJUK, taken during the
early 1940s. HORN studied each of the photographs at length
but was unable to positively identify any of the pictures,
although he believed that he recognized one of them (not
DEMJANJUK) but was not able to indicate where he had met
this person or provide his name.

   The first series of photographs was then gathered and
placed in a stack, off to the side of the table - with that
of DEMJANJUK lying face up on the top of the pile, facing
HORN. The reporting officer then presented another series of
8 photographs, each depicting the bust of a male caucasian.
These photographs showed the individuals in clothing more
similar to that normally worn by civilians.

Among the 8 pictures was one of Iwan DEMJANJUK, which had
been taken during the early 1950's. This photograph was much
better in quality than that presented to HORN in the first
series, and depicted DEMJANJUK as having a much fuller and
more rounded face. HORN studied this photograph at length,
and upon glancing at the earlier picture of  DEMJANJUK,
identified them as being the same person.

As he continued to study the picture   [**99]   from the
second set, HORN indicated that it certainly resembled the
man that he had known as "Iwan", although he stated that
"Iwan" had had somewhat more hair. He further mentioned that
the second picture, depicting the fuller face, was much more
like that of "Iwan" than the person shown in the first
series. After a few more moments of careful study, HORN
positively identified the photographs of Iwan DEMJANJUK as
being the "Iwan" that he knew at the gas chamber in
Treblinka.

   . . . .

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