From mvanalst@rbi.com Tue Jul 2 06:57:47 PDT 1996 Article: 47608 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!rbi143.rbi.com!user From: mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel, a Prominent false Witness (repost) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:35:26 -0700 Organization: rbi software systems Lines: 76 Message-ID:References: <4q7f9m$qel@Vir.com> <4qc09c$g9m@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbi142.rbi.com In article <4qc09c$g9m@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) wrote: > Dan Keren wrote: > > >Faurisson claims that historians "no longer believe" testimony > >about throwing people alive into the "burning ditches" in > >Birkenau. If he's not lying, he should present a large number > >of historians who indeed say that they don't believe this ever > >happened. Until he does, he's lying about this point. > > In street parlance, this is known as "jive." In a discussion, such a reply is known as "meritless" and "argumentum ad hominem." > Let me get this straight. Every non-referenced assertion is a lie? What > is your reference for that assertion? Oh. You didn't give one. I'll be > darned. (Or are only Faurisson's assertions to be treated this way?) > > >We know, BTW, that the SS burned people alive in other camps, > >and in Lidice if memory serves me right. > > Why, silly me! You do give your reference--your right serving memory. Ahem. Silly you indeed. To reference but a few instances were prisoners were burned alive: Auschwitz. S. Smaglewska, witness before the IMT (1946). Auschwitz. Hilbert, _The Destruction of the European Jews_, p.629. Auschwitz. Nyiszli, _Auschwitz: a doctor's eyewitness account_, p.87. Fu"rstengrube A.C. Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945_, p.803. Gardelegan. Gutman, _Encyclopedia of the Holocaust_, p.353. Kaufering Camp #4. Larson, _Crime Doctor_; p.57. Kaufering Camp #4. Suddeneutsche Zeeitung, 29.11.1945. _Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945_, p.221. Tschechowitz-Vacuum A.C. Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945_, p.795. Warsaw ghetto, Gilbert, _Nuremburg Diary_, p.69. > Jive talk, sir, classic jive talk. Indeed. Best you hold that jive-tongue of yours next time when you feel like pulling somebody's chain, yes? > To be able to conduct a conversation in a reasonable time frame, some > element of trust and common sense is required. If you said that you had > searched for a historian who does believe it and found one, or if you said > that you could not find any historian who supports Faurisson's assertion, > after reasonably diligent search, then and only then would you have earned > the right to legitimately claim that perhaps Faurisson is mistaken. To > call his comment a lie based on your reasoning is not a lie, but it sure > isn't true. Does this mean I can say "Faurisson is mistaken?" [drivel snipped] Mark posted/e-mailed to Dr. Keren and DvdThomas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but right through every human heart--and all human hearts." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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