[Harry Mazal] > The only rebuffs of the Bacque book came from German PoW's in different camps >from the ones concerned. UN involvement in the ethnic cleasning of Eastern >Europe is not mentioned at all. Mr. Stone is quite wrong. The best evidence that Mr. Bacque's book is filled with errors can be found in a peer-reviewed book edited by renown historians. The editors and other authors of the included essays are not, as Mr. Bacque is, writers of fiction. They are professional historians, Mr. Bacque is a novelist. The book is: _Eisenhower and the German POW's: Facts Against Falsehood_ edited by Gunther Bischof and Stephen E. Ambrose c. 1992, Louisiana State University Press ISBN 0-8071-1578-7 from which quotations will be drawn and identified as [EGP]with the relevant page number, etc. > I would also draw attention to a number of German biographies, including >notabably 'Iron Coffins' by Herber Werner, recognized a classic personal >account of the battle of the Atlantic. What number of German biographies? Mr. Stone should illuminate the readers by posting proper references. The following quotation, one assumes, forms part of the text mentioned in his previous paragraph. > 'Flashing bayonets seperated officers from enlisted men and forced us into a >large cage crowed with German prisoners. Our country men were walking >skeletons, half-naked and filthy; their haor and beards were long an snarled, >their skin leathery brown and ruptured by malnutrition. For months, they had >lived in the open and slept exposed to the element in holes in the ground. >Every rain would turn this barren land into a sea of muc and bury men in >graves they had dug with there own hands' [EGP] (Introduction by Stephen E. Ambrose) [page 9]: "In the final weeks of war in Europe, the numbers of German troops surrendering en masse simply became unmanageable. Resistance within the Ruhr encirclement (Ruhrkessel) ended on April 18; when Field Marshall Walter Model's Army Group B surrendered, 317,000 prisoners were taken in one day -- the largest mass surreender of German troops during the war. After such mass surrenders, the improvised and makeshift POW/DEF 'temporary enclosures' quickly became overcrowded." ... "The numbers of German prisoners taken by U.S. forces shot up from 313,000 to 2.6 million in early April, then to more than 5 million a month later." [page 18]: "Kurt Bohme, probably the best-informed expert on the treatment of German POW's in American hands concludes that Eisenhower and the U.S. Army had to improvise for months in taking care of the masses of prisoners to prevent a catastrophe: 'In spite of all the misery that occurred behind the barbed wire, the catastrophe was prevented; the anticipated mass deaths did not happen.' ... There are examples of mass deaths among POW's in World War II, particularly on the eastern front and in the Pacific theater. In 1941 alone, 2 million of 3.3 million Soviet POW's -- about 60 percent -- died in the hands of the German army or were executed by the special SS killer commandos (Einsatzgruppen) in collusion with the [German] army. By 1944, only 1.05 million of 5 million Russian POW's in German hands had survived. Of some 2 to 3 million German POW's in Russian hands, more than 1 million died -- a mortality rate that may be as high as 50 percent. ... The editors of this volume think that as many as 56,000 German POW's -- out [page 19] of the 5 million captured at the end of the war -- may have died in American captivity in the European theater in 1945. This rough estimate of a mortality rate of slightly more than 1 percent would roughly match the mortality of American POW's in German hands. > > Pretty well corrobarates Bacque I would think. Werner was being handed over >from the relative comfort of being a British prisoner to being a US prisoner. If one had to chose between being a Russian POW in German hands, a German POW in Russian hands, or a German POW in American hands, which would Mr. Stone have preferred? > > The logical place to test these accusations is in a court of law. A court of law? Based on what? It has been demonstrated that the death rates of German POW's in American hands closely matches the death rates of American POW's in German hands. If Mr. Stone wishes to make a case of this, he is welcome to initiate a class-action suit against the United States Government. Before doing so, he might want to peruse: _For you the War is Over: American Prisoners of War in Nazi Germany_ by David A. Foy, c. 1984, Stein and Day ISBN 0-8128-2925-5 or, far more illuminating: _Forgotten Victims: The Abandonment of Americans in Hitler's Camps_ by Mitchell G. Bard c. 1994, Westview Press ISBN 0-8133-2193-X (from the dust cover): "Fifty years later, Americans may now also find it difficult to believe that their fellow citizens were among the twelve million people murdered by the Nazis, abandoned to their fate by their own government. ... The outbreak of the war in Europe put tens of thousands of American civilians, especially Jews, in deadly peril, but the State Department failed to help them. ... _Forgotten Victims_ provides documentary evidence proving that American officials knew that U.S. civilians and soldiers were in danger, that they were being mistreated (including being placed in concentration camps), and that they were even murdered by the Nazis." [page 2] Tens of thousands of Americans were in peril, but their government did not act instantly or effectively. Consequently many suffered, some died. ... One reason for the lack of attention is that the number of American victims -- probably a few thousand -- was relatively small when compared to the total number that perished." >Although Bacque accuses the US Army and General Eisenhower > of war crimes no one has yet brought a case of libel against him, >which suggests to me that there is some truth in the accusations. Mr. Stone appears to be unaware that the libel laws in this country only protect the living. General Eisenhower, or better yet, President Eisenhower has been dead since 1969, long before Mr. Bacque's nonsense was written. The equivalent of a libel suit against Mr. Bacque is, in historical terms, the book edited by Messrs Bichof and Ambrose. The fact that they have called Mr. Bacque a liar, and far worse, and that Mr. Bacque has not sued them for libel suggests to me that there is nothing but truth in their allegations against him. > > I have given people the appropriate references. I am not surprised to have >received no response. Nobody likes to discover they are up to their knees in >corpses as well. Up to their knees in corpses? Mr. Stone is seriously mistaken. According to the Maschke Commission Report, officially known as the "Scientific Commission for the History of German Prisoners of War," consisting of twenty two volumes, and which took sixteen years to write: [EGP] " Some Reflections on the Maschke Commission" by Rolf Steininger [page 176]: "How many POW's died? Were there mass killings or not? The Maschke Commission figures for the six worst camps (Bad Kreuznach-Bretzenheim, Remagen-Sinzig, Rheinberg, Heidesheim, Wickrathberg, and Bu"derich together holding a total of 557,000 POW's on May 8, 1945): 3,053 dead according to United States Army Sources, or 4,537 dead according to local authorities. If one accepts these figures the death rate was ca. 1 percent compared with a mortality rate of 20-25 percent in Russian camps. The commission's conclusion: 'There were no mass deaths in the West.' Reports from other German local authorities confirm this." Mr. Bacque, with no further evidence than his fertile imagination as a novelist claims that the Maschke Commission Report is a whitewash. This is typical denier rhetoric. When they find no proof to the contrary, deniers fall back on inventing conspiracies. Finally, from: [page 180] "In summary, there is excellent material in the twenty-two volumes published by the Maschke Commission -- although Bacque makes very few references to it. Based on some 45,000 diaries and personal testimonies by prisoners, most of them written years after the event, the commission's findings cover a wide range of POW history. There is one basic message: even though the conditions in some American and French camps at the end of the war were appalling, most of the missing men were the responsibility of the Russians. The commission found no evidence to believe of mass killings of German POW's/ DEF's in Western camps. ... There is enough evidence to show that Bacque is absolutely wrong." QED ***********************************************************
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