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In article <36d692a7.2732049@news.sprint.ca>,
  kenmcvay@zhid.faggot.lies wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:25:22 GMT, kengaygoy@scheisse.zhids.org wrote:
> >On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:11:16 GMT, sikorski@warzawa.88.net wrote:
>odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

GROSVENOR FAQ                               v0.5, 11/15/96

This FAQ is an attempt to assimilate the Wit and Wisdom of
one William Grosvenor aka William Gruber aka Acumen aka
Echte Wahrheit.

This FAQ may be freely distributed.  (In fact, it makes a
great .sig when replying to Mr. Grosvenor's Usenet posts...)

So now for the questions.  Quoted text is indented and
references are noted in brackets (e.g., [1] ) and are listed
at the bottom of this document.

                  Who Is William Grosvenor?
                  -------------------------

Let's let Mr. Grosvenor start things off [1]:

------------------------------------------------------------
                      WILLIAM GROSVENOR
------------------------------------------------------------

Member Since: January 02, 96
Gender:     Male
Age:        56 years
Address:    Alberta, CANADA
Nationality: British
Birth Place: UK
Profession: International Management Consultant
Education:  P.mgr., Fic, Fiaa, Cga
Hobbies:    Stamp Collecting, Computers, Travel
Likes:      International correspondence
Dislikes:   Faggots, policical correct vermin
Wants to be
Friends with: Both Male and Female from Age 25 to 65 years
Relevant:   Have lived and worked and owned businesses
            throughout Europe, coast to coast in North
            America, as well as in several countries of se
            Asia
EMAIL:      intergroup@grosvenor.net

A few observations can be made at this point.  First, while
he resides in Canada, he claims British citizenship
(although he has also claimed Canadian citizenship to a
different audience [24]).

Second, he claims to be an "International Management
Consultant", but professional reporters have been unable to
find any clients of Mr. Grosvenor's 'firm'. [25, 26]

Third, his intolerance and bigotry starts to show, e.g., his
dislikes are "Faggots, policical correct vermin".

                  He Dislikes "Faggots"???
                  ------------------------

As we shall see, he seems to hate just about everyone, but,
first a few select quotes from Mr. G on the topic of
homosexuality. This may eventually lead him to problems with
the Canadian Human Rights Act, which takes a dim view of
such public utterances as these:

  You are obviously a diseased faggot, yourself dying of
  AIDS.

  Your lies will probably cause your diseased brain to
  accelerate the death you deserve.[2]

  AIDS is definitely one of Mother nature's best ways to
  select
  only the fittest of the species of mankind to survive.

  However, do not forget that AIDS is almost exclusively a
  LIFESTYLE  CHOICE of those perverts who indulge
  themselves as faggots.

  AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide by the Canadian
  faggot  with Air Canada. This is irrefutably documented
  in the book  "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON". {note: this claim
  has been refuted [4]}

  Hopefully, all those diseased vermin will soon die, so
  that the rest of humanity can go back to doing their
  normal activities.[3]

  As for faggots, they serve no useful purpose on this
  earth, and  only in cremation, will their ashes serve
  some use as fertliser.[31]

  Actually, I am very careful with whom I do
  business.Fortunately,  faggots do not seem to be
  involved, yet, in the stamp business,  so I don't have to
  deal with any.

  Sorry, but I reserve the right as to whom I will deal,and
  faggots  are not approved by me.[5]

  After all, nature created only two normal sexes - male or
  female. If you say that you are neither, then you
  obviuosly are not human.

  As for the other terms used by and for the perverts, that
  is  their choice.[6]

  It looks as though you have more than the normal share of
  gall. But then, one must expect perverts to be
  abnormal,and even  subhuman.

  The only good faggot, is an incinerated one. Verstehen
  Sie?[7]

  Just because there have been criminals, and perverts
  throughout  history, does not legalise these offensive
  vermin.

  The best way to get rid of these perverts, is
  extermination, by whatever method the state prefers to
  use.[8]

  Further, in many civilised nations, such as Singapore,
  Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia to name a few, sodomy as
  practiced by faggots is a criminal offence, with
  punishments as prescribed by law.

  In Muslim nations, the qu'ranic punishment is usually
  stoning to death.

  I would suggest that these perverts should be eliminated
  in a more practical method for the needs of normal
  society.

  Suggestions would include:

     medical experiments for treatments using new
     procedures;
 =08
     medical experiments for new drugs and treatments;

     target practice for the military and police recruits;

     target practice for victims to use, in preparing
     warning  videos to present to children, to show that
     the penalty for crimes is death.These would be similar
     to the Malaysia & Singapore programs "DADAH IS
     DEATH"[9]

  These extra benefits for their faggot friends were
  brought to you by Herr Stein/Rock, Gray/Graustein, and
  Kaplan among others. They were strongly supported by
  major members of the World Jewish  Congress, who feel
  that faggots deserve special rights and privileges, just
  as in Sodom and Gommorrah!!![10]

                The Jews Are In On This Too?
                ----------------------------

And then some:

  Why are the JEWS allowed to break the laws of sovereign
  Quebec?

  Did they terrorise some government officials, or were
  officials otherwise induced??[11]


  So why should the JEWS be allowed to break the provincial
  laws? Other religions, such as the majority Christians,
  must obey the law, so why not the damn JEWS?[12]

  And don't forget that the forerunner organisation of the
  KGB was set up by that Polish JEW Louis Dzerzhinski, who
  helped elimiate  all opponents to communism in the USSR,
  including the mass  extermination in Ukraine in the
  1930's!!!Ther NKVD/KGB were and  are mainly
  JEWS,still.[13]

  It seems that Ostrov just doesn't believe in telling the
  truth,  which seems to be a failing of those of the
  Jewish persuasion, and their lackeys.[14]

  What special JEWISH ARITHMETIC is used to increase
  several million dollars to SEVEN BILLION?

  Is it this special Jewish Arithmetic that increased the
  International Red Cross figure of 320,000 to the now
  fictitious figure of six millions?[15] {note: the IRC
  refutes this claim}

  If being Jewish had nothing to do with the biggest tax
  scam in Canadian history, then why is it  the biggest tax
  scam in Canadian history?[16]

  Note that not all Jews fit the slimy description, since
  there must be some good Jews.[23]

  I suggest that you MUST consider the ethnic treatment of
  Chinese by thecommunist Canadian government, vis a vis,
  the white JEWISH BRONFMANs.[17]

                 Grosvenor's A Racist, Too?
                 --------------------------

  Yep.  Racist and all-around bigot.  For instance:

  The JEWS think they control Canada, but I believe it is
  now about time for the whites in Quebec and Canada to
  start to clean their countries.[18]

  In view of last night's riots in Montreal,and the
  comments of M.Parizeau regarding Jews and
  natives,responsible travellers should seriously consider
  whether it is safe for non-frenchies in Quebec.

  If you must visit Quebec,be sure to bring your flak
  jacket.Guns for self-protection are not allowed in
  communist Canada,since our government wants only
  criminals and natives to have weapons.

  In other words,much of Canada is no longer safe for
  foreigners who do not speak with a Quebec French
  patois.[19]

  Cretin is kissing the asses of the frogs in Quebec,and
  also those of the native homelands.[20]

  Quite frankly,I doubt that it will have much impact on
  North Americans.It will reduce the numbers of
  Poles,Ukranians,Russians and the like who to many
  Slovaks, were undesirables in any case.[21]

  Yes, my articles are definitely racist.

  You bet, the above points may seem racist, because the
  JEWS claim to be a race, not that they are, and the
  Chinese are now being victimised to make up for the
  frauds of the JEWS.[22]

           Is There Anyone Grosvenor Doesn't Hate?
           ---------------------------------------

Surprisingly, there is.  After extensive questioning, he
came up with this list:

  Obviously I do not hate Chinese, Malaysians,
  Singaporeans, taiwanese, Germans, Iranians and Iraquis,
  to name just a few of the groups of people that I
  respect.[23]

However, so far he hasn't come up with a rationale for this
choice.

Ironically, Grosvenor's buddies, the Ghermezian brothers,
who we'll meet later, are originally from Iran.  Of course,
given what they did to him in court, Grosvenor obviously has
a lot of respect for them.

                        Anyone Else?
                        ------------

Mr. G also harbours an active dislike of immigrants,
especially those with criminal records, e.g.,

  What about the almost 6,000 MINISTER'S PERMITS given out
  last year to unqualified people,admitted as so-called
  immigrants?

  This included more than 1,500 convicted criminals, which
  Canada apparently prefers to good workers or
  investors!!![32]

  As though Canada has not enough criminals, the communist
  government of Canada wants to IMPORT MORE!!!

  Many of these were of course from Russia,and many were
  involved in serious crimes there.

  Why should we be bringing in more criminals, when they
  are already a serious problem here?[33]

Of course, the irony here is that Mr. G himself *is* an
immigrant with a criminal record.

                      He's A Criminal?
                      ----------------

Yep.  Convictions in Canada for both assault and extortion
[26].  His criminal record before first immigrating to
Canada, if any, is not known, although he changed his name
from Gruber to Grosvenor not long after first arriving in
Canada.

               After First Arriving In Canada?
             ----------------------------------

According to Alberta Report[26], Grosvenor first arrived in
Canada in the mid-1960s.  Grosvenor himself has claimed the
year of arrival to be 1965, probably from Newcastle, England
[27].

Where he was in the 1970s is something of a point of
contention.  For instance, Alberta Report quotes Grosvenor
as claiming to have been a  consultant, "processed for top
secret and military security clearance,"  to the prime
minister of Malaysia.[26]

Grosvenor has made a number of other claims about this
period, such as:

  I am a former Consultant to the Prime Minister of
  Malaysia in Finace, Planning, and Economic Development.

  Further, in the past I was an official of the Governments
  of Indonesia and Taiwan,in Indonesia.[28]

  I was a Senior Official of the Government of Malaysia.
  Further I was an Official of the Governments of Taiwan,
  and of Indonesia.

  As a consequence, having lived and worked in S.E.Asia, I
  have some feeling for residents of these areas.[29]

  yes, I have been an official of the Governments of
  Malaysia,  Indonesia, and Taiwan.[30]

  By the way, I am NOt a student. When I was in Malaysia, I
  was  a professor, trying to instill some knowledge in
  capable students.[31]

So "professor", just how _does_ one spell "finance"?  (Note
that Grosvenor has refused repeatedly to give details of
these positions.)

According to Alberta Report, Grosvenor then reappeared in
Canada about 1980 in Edmonton, where he has resided until
the present. [26]

However, Grosvenor disputes this record.  For instance:

  More lies from the damn JEWS. Since I am a Canadian, I
  did NOT  immigrate tqice, as the liar claims.[24]

If he didn't immigrate twice to Canada, he must not have
left in the
1970s as he has claimed.  Also:

  I have been a professional accountant in Canada for more
  than  30 years,including consulting on Canadian
  taxes.[34]

If we are to believe Grosvenor when he says he came to
Canada in 1965, and if we believe when he says he has spent
"more than 30 years" there, we must come to the conclusion
that he has been in Canada continuously from 1965 until now.
So, how could he also have lived in Asia, as he claims:

  First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia,
  Singapore, Indonesia and Taiwan.[35]

Who knows?  Maybe he's soooo schizophrenic that one
personality remained in Canada while another chose to live
in Asia (and who could blame it for  wanting to get as far
away from Grosvenor as it could...).


 Hold On Now.  He's a Foreigner, Yet Complains About Canada?
 -----------------------------------------------------------

Uh-huh.  Here's an example:

 If you have any sense, you should seriously consider and
 AVOID CANADA!!
 =08
 AVOID CANADA has continued to show that the risks, and
 costs of going to Canada will result in a much reduced
 lifestyle,  compared to living in Hong Kong, Malaysia,
 Singapore or other  civilised country.
 =08
 AVOID CANADA details the fact that now in Canada faggots
 have special rights. This means that if you do any
 business with the government, you MUST hire faggots,even
 if with AIDS,no matter about the risk to the lives of
 yourself and others.
 =08
 AVOID CANADA has been presented from the perspective of an
 immigrant,since I am one.I lived and worked in SE Asia, in
 Malaysia,Indonesia and Taiwan,and understand the important
 values of those who succeed.
 =08
 AVOID CANADA is concerned about traditional family values,
 while Canada being communist(have you already forgotten
 that former PM Trudeau studied in Moscow), wants to
 destroy the traditional family.That is why they give
 special rights to faggots and similar perverts.[36]

One thing to note is that even though Grosvenor claims here
to have lived in S.E. Asia (supporting the theory he
immigrated twice to  Canada), he also claims that living in
Canada "will result in a much reduced lifestyle".  One
wonders why he moved back, in that case.

In any event, Grosvenor's unhappiness with Canada has led
him to lay out plans for his own country, "Canada West", or
more commonly called "Grosvenor-Reich", details of which can
be found on his homepage [37].

Setting aside the issue of whether this foreign national
lobbying for the destruction of Canada is an act of treason
or sedition, it turns out that Grosvenor-Reich would not be
the paradise Mr. G expects.  For instance, from his
"Immigration Policy":

  IMMIGRATION will be strictly regulated. Only persons
  useful to the economy of Western Canada will be admitted.
  Criminals, so-called economic refugees, those unable to
  support themselves, those with AIDS, and those expected
  to be a drain on the taxpayers will not be admitted.
  Sponsors of immigrants will be required to deposit a
  substantial cash bond with the Government for 10 years,
  to cover any costs should the sponsored immigrant ever
  become a cost to taxpayers. In fact, those costing
  taxpayers while not yet a citizen should be deported to
  their country of origin.[37]

Note the part: "Criminals, {...} will not be admitted."

As a criminal immigrant, Mr. G would be the first deported
from his personal fascist state.  To paraphrase Groucho
Marx, William Grosvenor would not live in a country which
would have him as citizen...

        If He Hates Canada Too, Why Doesn't He Leave?
        ---------------------------------------------

Oh, he has promised to:

  Feel free to get back to me directly,should you wish more
  info about the problems of Canada.I will be there just
  for a short while longer,before I relocate with all my
  businesses.[36]


  I will not allow any faggot-loving government to tell me
  whom I should deal with, and sooner than allow these
  vermin, I am closing down businesses.[38]

  Professional, 56 years old wishes to emigrate/relocate.

  Skills include professor of accounting & business
  management, have owned many businesses around the world,
  could also teach English.

  Hold British passport,and would prefer relocating to
  country where English spoken, such as Ireland,Central
  America, or perhaps South America, or S.E.Asia?[39]


Sadly, although lots of people would gladly contribute to
purchasing him a one-way ticket to someplace 
else, Mr. G is not a man of his word.  One theory is that
his wife, who owns the house he lives in, would cut off his
allowance if he left, forcing Mr. G to find a  job.

                   He Doesn't Have A Job?
                   ----------------------

While he likes to pretend to be an "international
businessman", e.g., as on his homepage [40]:

  The GROSVENOR INTERNATIONAL GROUP is a multinational
  group of businesses operating worldwide, presently based
  in northern Canada. Some of our prominent activities
  include:

  INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MANAGEMENT INC. does
  International Management Consulting. It has done
  assignments in South East Asia, including Malaysia,
  Indonesia and Taiwan.

  GROSVENOR STAMP CO. is an international stamps dealer and
  auction firm for stamps for collectors. (APS#D138099) We
  now do LARGE TRADES / EXCHANGES with dealers and
  collectors worldwide. As a service to collectors in
  countries where dollars are scarce, we also offer
  COMPUTER PROGRAMS IN EXCHANGE FOR STAMPS.

  UNIQUE COMPUTER DISTRIBUTING has been an importer and
  dealer of computers for more than 16 years.

  William Grosvenor , P.Mgr., FIC, FIAA - C.E.O.
  GROSVENOR INTERNATIONAL GROUP[40]

It turns out that all of Mr. G's businesses are run out of
his wife's house, a modest three-bedroom bungalow in the
Dickensfield neighborhood of Edmonton.  Furthermore, with
one exception, none of his "businesses" have phones or can
be found in any business directory [41]. (The phone listing
for his bookkeeping business appears to be the family
number.)

Of course, Mr. G has an explanation for this:

  I keep my businesses private, as the law permits,and it
  is none of anyone's business how I operate, as long as I
  do so legally,as I do.[43]

Another breakthrough from the "INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
MANAGEMENT INC." (Mr. G's bookkeeping business): Stealth
Marketing -- how better to keep away those pesky potential
customers?

To get an idea of the holdings of the "GROSVENOR
INTERNATIONAL GROUP", we can examine the case of the
Motherboard Upgrade.  Over the last year or more, Grosvenor
has been trying to trade an old parachute for a new
motherboard for his computer.  Picking up the trail, we
find:

November 5, 1995:

  Will sell for best cash offer,or trade for something
  useful. Items I am seeking include loaded Motherboard for
  DX100 or  Pentium; stamp collection;guns; or what
  offers?[44]

May 25, 1996:

  Want Pentium 133 system or similar such as S86 system, IN
  TRADE for items I have,including some extra high res
  scanners, etc..[45]

August 12, 1996:

  Am looking to TRADE some of my items for a fully featured
  Motherboard. Looking for S86 - 120 or 150 Mh board, with
  32  Mb RAM.[46]

November 7, 1996:

  I collect stamps, coins, starting on guns, but open to
  proposals such as good Motherboard with P166 or
  equivalent???[47]

You will notice that Grosvenor's requests seem to parallel
developments in the state of PC computing, starting with a
request for a 486 DX100 motherboard, and currently up to a
Pentium166.  You will also notice that "UNIQUE COMPUTER
DISTRIBUTING", one of the "GROSVENOR INTERNATIONAL  GROUP"
of companies, apparently only has one reasonably modern PC,
and is unable to spend a few hundred dollars to upgrade it.

When he's trying to hustle cheap motel rates, Grosvenor also
claims to be "President" of "NORTHSTAR TRAVEL".[41]  For
instance:

  Have been looking,so far without success,for reasonably
  priced - i.e.low cost clean motels,or/and B & B in Maine
  and New Brunswick for August.This is in connection with a
  preliminary exploratory trip,considering possibility for
  group tours of seniors from Western Canada.

  So far,low cost,according to mail received,is over US$100
  a day,up to $250.per day,per person.Out west we consider
  $20 to  $40 Canadian reasonable.[41]

$20 Canadian is about $15 American.  This will give you a
feel for the financial acumen (!) of the "GROSVENOR
INTERNATIONAL GROUP".

             Grosvenor Is Not A Man Of His Word?
             -----------------------------------

To put it mildly, yes.  For example, take the case of Mr. G
vs. the Ghermezian brothers.  The Ghermezian's company,
Triple Five, develops shopping malls, including the West
Edmonton Mall and the Mall of America. In the late 1980s,
the Ghermezians also developed the ire of one William
Grosvenor.

What happened?  As Forbes magazine recounted [25]:

  Why does he do it?  Grosvenor originally told FORBES that
  he  had been "swindled by Triple Five." But in a more
  recent conversation, he said, "They got several lots
  rezoned so they could build a lousy strip mall next to my
  house."

Of course, this put Grosvenor on the war path.  In his
words:

  Alberta Report story last month quoted Grosvenor
  admitting he intends "to use all means at my disposal
  anywhere in the world to put the Ghermezians out of
  business."[26]

But wait, you're probably thinking to yourself.  Last time
you looked, both West Edmonton Mall and Mall of America were
still in business, thriving, in fact.  Why aren't the
Ghermezians out of business yet?

Well, once Mr. G reached the Ghermezian's threshold for
stupidity, they took him to court, although they had some
trouble getting him there:

  After returning from West Germany last week, Grosvenor
  was holed up in his home in Edmonton's Dickinsfield
  neighbourhood, reportedly refusing service of the Triple
  Five gag order.  The company's lawyers were preparing to
  go to court again Monday morning for an order allowing
  them to nail the injunction to the door of Grosvenor's
  home, which is in fact owned by his wife, Sario.[26]

After this point he caved-in completely, although, according
to Grosvenor, he scared those wimpy billionaires right out
of the courtroom:

  An apology was requested, but the lawyers for the Jewish
  Ghermezians refused to re-appear in court to finalise any
  documents, so none was finalised.[48]

But what Mr. G calls their 'refusal' to re-appear was more
due to the Ghermezians having no need whatsoever to continue
action against him.  A more complete story came from the
Edmonton Journal:

  William Grosvenor has been found in contempt of a civil
  court order not to speak against Triple Five Corp. or
  interfere in its business.

  Justice Russel Dixon reprimanded Grosvenor, Thursday in
  Court of Queen's Bench.

  Grosvenor promised to cease and desist from further anti-
  Triple Five communications, including any public
  references to "Ghermezianville" - a term he used to
  describe this City.

  Grosvenor also agreed to prepare an apology to Triple
  Five.[49]

The next time Grosvenor mouths off about the Ghermezians, he
will face a *second* contempt of court citation which no
Judge is likely to find amusing.  Neither would Grosvenor,
who'd probably be taking a lot of long, warm prison showers
after that.

In fact, there is no evidence that Mr. G has made any
negative  statements about the Ghermezians since that time.
So much for his vow to put them out of business.

This episode led to international fame for Mr. G when Forbes
magazine labelled him a "roving fruitcake". [25]

                     "Roving Fruitcake"?
                     -------------------

Followed by an observation that "Grosvenor does make
occasional forays into sanity".[25]  The diagnosis seems to
be official, too.  Alberta Report dug up that:

  Grosvenor, 48, has a criminal record for assault and
  extortion, that he was diagnosed at Riverview Psychiatric
  Hospital in British Columbia in 1973 as suffering from a
  paranoid personality disorder, and that his harassment of
  the Ghermezians
is only the latest in a 20-year series of
  vendettas against corporations and individuals, including
  leading figures of the British Columbia legislature and
  judiciary.[26]

   How Can I Tell If I'm Successfully Yanking Grosvenor's
                           Chain?
   ------------------------------------------------------

It seems that of all the people he hates (and there are
certainly a lot of them), Grosvenor hates Jews the most.  If
you find he has corrupted your name to make it sound more
Jewish, you know you've got his working neurons into Rapid
Fire Mode.

So far the Grosvenor Kook-point contest winners are:

Ken McVay         (aka "OyVay")
Jason Kodish      (aka "Kaddish")
Tim Nye           (aka
                  "Neimann/Neiman/Neuma
                  n")
Cook              (aka "Koch")
Tim Brown         (aka "Bronstein")

(and more to be announced)

                        What's Next?
                        ------------

Eventually, this FAQ will contain a list of Grosvenor's
contradictions (such as the criminal Grosvenor demanding
execution of all criminals, the Grosvenor who hid his assets
to "defeat" creditors demanding that white collar criminals
make full restitution to all their victims, etc.).

As you can imagine, however, this list will probably be
longer than the current FAQ. :-)

Anyway, onward and upward...

William Grosvenor             e-mail: intergroup@grosvenor.net
[address and telephone number removed]

                         References
                        -------------

For references, visit Grosvenor's version of this document
at http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=3D251280192

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