Archive/File: holocaust/usa wmm.0494 Last-Modified: 1994/10/29 Article 28992 of soc.culture.german: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Bombing Germany was a War Crime! Date: 23 Apr 1994 10:30:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 61 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2pbbdb$4kd@search01.news.aol.com> References:NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article , Peter Skaliks writes: >>Britain and France were not quite the innocent lambs in this story that they like to paint themselves. They wanted a war with Germany as early as possible, while they still had a military edge, whereas Hitler wanted a war with them _later_, after the German rearmament program was completed. This would not have happened before 1944. << Not correct. Hitler never wanted war with the West. Read Mein Kampf, look at the diplomatic initiatives, etc. Hitler never wanted war with England and France - he regarded these as fratricidal and counterproductive - he was also a warrior from WWI and was quite aware of the horrendous losses in men due to that war. Read David Irving's "Hitlers War" and "Churchhill's War", and David Hoggan's "The Forced War" and you will understand what really happened and why. Here is some info from The Forced War The Pope had launched a major peace effort in May 1939, and he had rejected with indignation an appeal from the Archbishop of Canterbury to earn the alleged gratitude of the Anglican, Protestant, and Greek Orthodox Christians by condemning the policies of Hitler. Instead, the Pope ostentatiously welcomed the victory of General Franco in Spain in May 1939. The Pope recognized as early as May 1939 that Poland was the primary threat to peace, because the British could not attack Germany unless the Poles were willing to serve as a pawn. Beck at that time flatly rejected the tentative proposal of the Pope for an international conference by declaring that Poland could not accept as binding for her the opinion of other powers regarding the question which had arisen between Poland and Germany. The Pope persuaded Admiral Nicholas Horthy, the Protestant Regent of Hungary, to deliver a speech on June 14, 1939, urging that the Powers accept papal good offices in settling the German-Polish dispute. This maneuver was aimed primarily at Poland, because of the intimate relations between Poland and Hungary. Pius XII appealed to the world on August 23, 1939, not to go to war over Danzig. He requested the envoys of Great Britain, France, Italy, Poland and Germany to appear for an audience at the Vatican Palace on August 31, 1939. Dr. Kazimierz Papee, the Polish envoy at the Vatican, was unable to assure the Pope that Poland would negotiate with Germany. The Pope had feared that this would be the case. He responded by instructing Cortesi in Warsaw to urge Beck to accept negotiations with the Germans on the basis of the Marienwerder proposals, with which the Pope already was familiar. A furious scene followed between Beck and Cortesi, which surpassed the verbal duel between Ribbentrop and Henderson on the previous night. Beck angrily charged that the papal nuncio was working for the Germans. He complained that Pope Pius XII was ordering him to surrender to Germany. Cortesi was unable to calm the excited Polish diplomat. Beck later recalled that no single development during the final phase of the crisis caused him so much irritation as the persistent but unsuccessful effort of Pope Pius XII to persuade him to negotiate with the Germans and to accept the Marienwerder proposals. It was supremely tragic that there was a complete absence of similar activity from the British Side. One need only imagine the situation had Henderson been at Warsaw with the support and confidence of Chamberlain. (Hoggan, The Forced War, pp. 562-63 The German Foreign Office learned the same day that official Polish policy was not encouraging for any Danzig compromise plan. August Papee, the Polish representative to the Vatican, gave a negative reply to the suggestion of Cardinal Secretary of State Luigi Maglione on August 16th that Poland contribute to the preservation of peace by permitting Germany to recover Danzig. Papee replied that Poland would invade Germany with out without British and French support if Hitler attempted to secure the return of the Danzig to the Reich. (ibid., p. 452) Article 28995 of soc.culture.german: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Abortion in Germany Date: 23 Apr 1994 10:41:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 44 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2pbc1v$4o8@search01.news.aol.com> References: <2oc6a2$jgu@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <2oc6a2$jgu@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Deck) writes: In response I submit the following, as quoted in The Beleaguered City: The War Against Catholics: ABORTION It is typically stated, even in Catholic publications, that abortion was promoted by the Nazi Party. However, it was rather in the Germany of the Jewish Weimar Republic (1919-1933), and in Marxist states, that abortion on demand was promoted. As early as 1931 the Nazis introduced into parliament legislation requiring that anyone who attempts to curb artificially the natural fertility of the German People be punished by imprisonment for racial treason Soon after 1933 Nazi officials reaffirmed their opposition to any form of voluntary legalized abortion. Nazi laws allowed abortion only in cases in which the mother's life was at risk; Nazi physicians generally advised marriage as the solution to pregnancy out of wedlock. (Nazi medical philosophy differed from that of socialist or communist physicians in this regard. For these latter groups, abortion was considered a fundamental right of all women) Abortion was in fact a common method of birth control in Eastern Europe in the early 1930s. In a survey of Czechoslovakian workers, Hugo Hecht of Prague reported in 1933 that three-fifths of all women of this class had had abortions * some as many as twenty-two times. For the Nazis, however, abortion was a crime against the body of the German people. In 1933 Gerhard Wagner complained that in post-World War I Germany, one fetus was aborted for every three or four babies born alive, representing some 300,000 to 500,000 pregnancies aborted every year. To reverse this trend, the Nazis enforced strict anti-abortion laws inherited from the Weimar period, to which were now added stronger and broader penalties. In 1937 physicians convicted of performing abortions were commonly sentenced to ten years in prison and ten years loss of civil rights. By the beginning of the war in 1939, unauthorized abortion had been declared a treason against the bodily fruit of the German Volk, punishable in some cases by death. Not surprisingly, the effect of these strictures was to lower dramatically the number of applications for abortions. In the year prior to the Nazi seizure of power (1932), 43,912 German women applied for abortion on medical grounds, 34,698 of these applications were approved. In the five years between 1935 and 1940, however, there were only 14,333 applications for abortion in all of Greater Germany [comprised of Germany, Austria, Sudetenland and the German territories of Poland], and only 9,701 of these were approved. (Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under The Nazis, Robert N. Proctor, Harvard Univ. Press, Cambridge, MA, 1988, pp. 121-122)
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