Archive/File: holocaust/usa/wmm.0694 Last-Modified: 1994/06/15 From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: Legal Testimony Against the Holocaust #1 Date: 15 Jun 1994 12:38:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 681 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2tnapg$a71@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com [The following text, which concerns Ernst Zundel's trials in Canada, was originally posted by Walking Wounded #42 @5313 on the "Hidden Agenda" sub of WWIV-net.] _____________________________________________________________________ __ The following excerpts are from the two trials of Ernst Zundel in Canada during the years 1985 and 1988. These trials, had they been reported honestly, would have been the biggest setback for the standard Holocaust story perpetuated by the popular media up to that time. More recent are the "Leuchter Report" and confirmation by the Polish Government of his test results which show that Zyklon-B was not used in the so-called "Gas Chambers." These test results are suppressed by the media. I will quote from the book "The Great Holocaust Trial", by Michael A. Hoffman II, and "The Holocaust on Trial" by Robert Lenski. I'm sure you won't find these at your local library. In the 70's Zundel founded the Samisdat Publishers Ltd., a publishing house exposing the Holocaust hoax. The first title published was "The Auschwitz Lie" by Thies Christophersen, who had been stationed in Auschwitz for 11 months in 1944. In 1977 he began massive mailings of revisionist information around the world, including thousands of mailings to the media and governments around the globe. He then started into video. Then, the trouble started. As the book says, "The Zionists will try to ignore books. They will overlook pamphlets. But they cannot afford to ignore the invasion of their formerly exclusive territory. Television has been possibly the greatest weapon...in the arsenal of the enemies of mankind. No tool has been more expertly used to misguide and pollute the perception of humanity than TV. The power of the TV image has actually supplanted reality in the minds of million who can no longer distinguish between TV play-acting and life. Actors playing the parts of medical doctors on soap operas receive hundreds of letters requesting advice on diseases and ailments." Zundel has Jewish as well as Gentile supporters. "True reconciliation signified the admission of wrong doing on BOTH SIDES. The great injustice done to Jewish people...as a result of the 'Holocaust' monomania and the fear among gentiles of being tarred with the anti-Semitism brush, has been a failure to honestly and constructively criticize Jewish excesses; excesses exhibited by all nations of people. By accepting the racist claims of the Zionists, gentiles refrained from criticism. Human nature being what it is, people who are dwelling in a contrived milieu of fawning and flattery, end up as out-of-touch megalomaniacs and paranoids. Hence, reconciliation of the authentic kind can come about only when Zionists also admit wrongdoing." When asked about distributing Nazi literature Zundel replies, "Who are the biggest purveyors of Nazi and neo-Nazi literature in Canada? Zionist hypocrites, liars and opportunists...It is quite clear that purveying Third- Reich-related material is both profitable and permissible, provided that 'the right people' are making the bucks." Zundel wrote to Jewish leaders and groups to have "a meeting of minds to strive for clarifications of grievances, fears and animosities." He was ignored and rebuffed. The government then got into the act by charging him with Canada's anti-hate provision of its criminal code. The media then began to whip up the public against Samisdat and Zundel. After the 'Canadian Jewish News' and other periodicals staged a rally and 1,500 tried to attack the Samisdat headquarters, the media "would have condemned from the high pulpits...in ringing tones of self righteousness had it been a mob of Klansmen or Nazis, is ignored when it is a gaggle of 'noble survivors' who riot." "With Zundel able to pierce the monopoly as a sensational news maker whom the media could no longer ignore...the Zionists had to take unfair advantage the other way, through their influence in the courts." Throughout 1983 Zundel continued to produce videos with Ditlieb Felderer, a Jewish anti-Zionist dissident and an exploration of rigged war crimes about the accused Nazi war criminal Frank Walus, about whom 11 eyewitnesses from Israel swore they saw him kill and maim their friends and relatives. It was later revealed that at the time he was supposed to have done this he was doing forced labor in a German farm. A Commissar Citron said that Zundel was resorting to the supposed Nazi use of the 'Big Lie'. Zundel quoted from "Mein Kampf" Hitler's words that say that is the method of the Zionist establishment and nowhere advocates this policy himself. At the start of the hearing in Dec, 1983, he was met by a vicious crowd of Jewish rioters led by the terrorist JDL (Jewish Defense League). Of course you gasp, "How could he call the JDL a terrorist organization? They are always shown on TV as such nice guys." Well; in a 1979 California state Attorney General's report on political terrorism, this group was described as "an alarming phenomenon" whose members "appear armed and ready for violence." The Attorney General wrote that the JDL "attacks with bombs and explosive devices on foreign consulates" and predicts that "the group's violent activities will not diminish." According to the U.S. F.B.I.'s Terrorist Research Branch, the JDL were responsible for a total of 15 acts of terrorism between 1981 and 1983, which killed one person and left seven injured. The media usually calls them "militant defenders of synagogues against vandals" and so forth. Accusations of terrorism and hate mongering are special categories the media has reserved for Arabs and Germans as part of the indoctrination campaign which has worked very well. The JDL proceeded to beat Zundel and his supporters outside and into the court house with almost no police protection. This continued throughout the trial. Zundel and his followers had to wear hard hats every time they showed up for court. Even elderly people who accompanied them were attacked and knocked to the ground. "This comes as no surprise to students of the psychological warfare principles imbedded in "Holocaust" movies. The...graphic acting out of Jewish fantasies about what Germans supposedly did, gives the public a latter day witch to punish, hang and burn. Remember, the slogan of the JDL is 'Butchers have no rights' - and it is the JDL who will decide what the definition of a butcher is." Zundel says, "...the media are not closed to us, no matter how much they may disagree with us, provided we understand how to use them to get our message across...the JDL...by doing their worst, showed us at our best, thereby winning us more public support." In the summer of 1984 on July 4, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) is burned to the ground in an arson attack which destroys their $300,000 inventory of revisionist books. It was a professional operation done in 5 minutes defeating the elaborate burglar and fire alarm system. Irving Rubin, Los Angeles director of the JDL, applauds the bombing. In Sept, 1984 Zundel's house is pipebombed, causing damage to his and neighbors houses. Once the trial started, one of the prosecution witnesses was Dr. Hilberg, a political scientist regarded as the world authority on the Exterminationist theory. Dietlieb Felderer refers to him as a "theologian," not an historian. At one point Hilberg stated that he "could find no satisfactory evidence" of the Germans having made soap from Jewish human fat. But further on he told the court "there may have been, in fact, one or two instances where there was soap production (from human fat)...but it was not happening as a routine." Only a theologian or high priest of a cult would first admit that there is 'NO EVIDENCE" for soap ...and then on the other hand claim, mystically, that "there may, have been, in fact, one or two instances when there was soap production." As to the supposed unbiased nature of the media charged with protecting the public's right to know, reality was revealed by Sol Littman. Littman is not only a reporter for the national CBC TV network but the Canadian representative of the main "Holocaust" racketeering outfit, the Simon Wiesenthal Center. During the preliminary hearing, while Mr. Littman was presumably impartially reporting the case for millions of Canadians with "fairness," he was caught red-handed by the judge passing notes of advice to the prosecutor! It doesn't get any worse than that in the U.S.S.R.. It's probably better, since at least in Russia most of the people realize the news media is controlled, whereas in Canada there are a good many naive true believers in its "objectivity." During the Jury selection judge Locke refused Christie (Zundel's attorney) to question potential jurors about their views on the "Holocaust" allegations, their biases -if any- toward Germans, and their affiliations with Zionists, Jews and Freemasons. Just prior to the Zundel trial, Jewish abortionist Dr. Henry Morgenthaler was tried for violations of the abortion laws and HIS attorneys were permitted to ask four probing questions of potential jurors and to exclude Roman Catholics and others deemed holding preconceptions about Morgenthaler. The Crown had an unlimited number of jury challenges, but Christie was left with four and these were to be used without in any way substantively questioning potential jurors. Christie was restricted to asking them to repeat information that they had already given regarding their names and occupation. The judge did not sequester the jury in hotel rooms under orders not to watch TV during the trial, as was done in the far less emotional and controversial Von Bulow trial in May. Locke said such a move would insult the jury's intelligence. Surprise, surprise, during the trial the major networks broadcast movies such as "The Execution", "The Belarus File", and other Hollywood "Holocaust" hype movies. They were heavily advertised and noted in the press. It seems likely that some jurors watched them, much to the detriment of their ability to be fair. The first witness for the prosecution was Sgt. Ron Williams, a researcher for the Attorney General's support staff. On cross examination by Christie he admitted that in 7 months of studying the pamphlet "Did Six Million Really Die?" (The pamphlet that Zundel was being tried for distributing) he didn't even read the whole thing and didn't bother to check sources cited in the pamphlet. On top of this he admitted that he was a practicing Freemason. It would be doubtful that he could give an unbiased testimony. The next on the stand was a 56 year old Hungarian Jew, Arnold Friedman. He was touted as an "eyewitness" to homicidal gassings at Auschwitz. According to the news media, people like Friedman are the hard facts-oriented truth-tellers who can "blow away" with their righteous testimony those "damned liars" who deny gas chambers. According to Prosecutor Peter Griffiths, Friedman was the type of person whose feelings would be hurt if Holocaust doubters continued to be allowed to question the unquestionable. As revisionist have always pointed out, they can only get away with their gassing accusations as long as they are protected from critical scrutiny by media insulation. Mr. Friedman testified that he had seen "fourteen foot flames" shooting out of the crematorium chimneys at Auschwitz. He also gave sworn testimony that he was able to tell whether the Nazis were burning fat Jewish Hungarians or skinny Jewish Poles by looking at the different colors of the smoke and flames! Christie then cited the scientific fact that crematoria were specifically designed NOT to give off either smoke, flame, ashes or odors. It is technically IMPOSSIBLE for crematoria to emit them. (We have all the plans for the crematoria the Germans built. They were as modern as used now and we know how they operated.) Friedman tried to save face by claiming the German crematoria were not "ordinary" crematoria. It is here that most major American news media stopped their report on the testimony of Friedman. This made it look like Friedman was right when he gave his testimony. It gave the impression that those sinister Nazis even went so far as to build special crematorium to do what no other could do - give off smoke, flames, and odors to scare the hapless Jews "before they were Gassed" and to draw attention from Allied bombers. Of course the plans showing the crematorium and proof of the impossibility was never told in the media. Now comes the good part. Christie then asked Friedman, "Couldn't there have been many other explanations for the smoke and flames?" "Yes, there could have," Friedman admitted, "If I had listened to you at the time when I was listening to other people (in the camp), I might have listened to you. But at the time I listened to them." In other words, a frightened boy at Auschwitz, had had his head filled with the wildest of rumors. These were then probably compounded by watching post-war fantasy movies that depict massive crematoria belching clouds of smoke. You will note that the media still continue to repeat the nonsense about smoke and ash. In the April 23, 1985 edition of the N.Y. Times, one Pearl Herskovic says she saw her whole family go up in "billowing smoke" in Auschwitz. She stood there watching the smoke and suddenly her family's "ashes began to fall on my arm." This supposed irrefutable fact is able to seem credible only because it is shielded from contradiction by Zionist media control. In his article for the Times, reporter Douglas Martin did not report even the first half of the Friedman-Christie exchange as had some other U.S. papers: "The upshot (of the trial) has been a bizarre flurry of newspaper headlines calling the existence of crematoriums in Nazi death camps a theory not a fact..." Clever, eh? The NY Times is telling its millions of trusting readers that they were clashing over whether or not 'there were crematoriums in the camp: whether or not they "existed" at all.' This was not the issue whatsoever. The issue pertained to what the crematoria gave off, not whether there were crematoria in Auschwitz. Now back to Hilberg, the author who did not even take a ONE day tour of Auschwitz and Treblinka until 18 years after he wrote his "definitive" Holocaust history. The principle document upon which Hilberg bases his Extermination theory on is the "confession" of SS Obersturmbanfueher Kurt Gerstein. It consists of 7 1/2 pages of text. In his 7 1/2 page confession, Gerstein supposedly swore that: "700 to 800 Jews were squeezed into a gas chamber at Belzec measuring 25 square meters." This is the size of about a 2 car garage. Also that "Adolf Hitler was personally at a homicidal 'gassing' camp," and that "25 million people were gassed." Arthur R. Butz (another Jew on the Revisionist side who wrote "The Hoax of the 20th Century") pointed out that it was unforgivable that Hilberg would use such an obviously spurious "confession" as a source. (Gerstein died under mysterious circumstances awaiting a war crimes trial). Hilberg said that he "did not rely on any statements by Gerstein that he regarded as imaginative or incredible." In other words he edited out those statements that would have seemed too insane to his readers and which would have cast doubt on the parts of the confession he did use! Gerstein was the only eyewitness to a 'gassing' quoted by Hilberg in his "history". Christie requested that Hilberg offer some scientific evidence of the millions killed by gas, since their was supposed to be mountains of evidence. Christie: "Can you give me one scientific report that shows the existence of gas chambers anywhere in Nazi-occupied territory?" Hilberg: I'm at a loss." Christie: "You are at a loss because you can't. I want one report, before, during or after the war that shows that someone was killed by the use of those gasses." Hilberg: "You want an autopsy (report) and I know of no autopsy." Hilberg told the court he could not think of any reason why a scientist would undertake such a study. Christie later confronted Hilberg with information from U.S. Judge Edward L. Van Roden published in 1949, showing that German prisoners had been tortured by US soldiers. The Judge stated that 137 German soldiers that he investigated "had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair." The Judge also concluded that the Americans shoved burning matches under German POW's fingernails and broke their jaws during the so-called "Dachau" war crimes trials. The Judge was a member of the Simpson-Van Roden Commission, a panel which had looked into the torture of German POW'S. Hilberg told the court he was unaware of the Judge's report. Not so well informed for such a thorough historian, I would think. Not surprisingly, Hilberg refused to testify in the second trial of Zundel. The next 'Big Gun' brought up to bat was Rudolf Vrba. Vrba claimed to have been in Auschwitz and Majdaneck concentration camps until April of 1944. Vrba's account of killing gas chambers for humans...became one of the most crucial cornerstones of the entire gassing and "abandonment of the Jews" thesis. Vrba's report is part of an exhibit at Auschwitz. He testified against Germans during the Auschwitz trials in West Germany. His book, 'I Cannot Forgive', is holy scripture, revered for its "honesty" and depth of righteous anger at the "Nazi Beasts" throughout the world. At first it was tough going. Vrba was an insulting and disrespectful witness. Vrba wisecracked, "Should I bring you 6 million bodies here that are the proof?" Christie retorted, "I'd be content with just one autopsy report." Vrba testified that 150,000 French Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. Christie produced evidence that the entire number of Jews deported from France was only 75,721 (a figure from another Jew, no less). Asked how he arrived at the figure of 150,000 for Auschwitz alone, Vrba's scientific method consisted of his having listened to the language the inmates spoke, and by examining what style of luggage they carried! Vrba's downfall came when Dr. Faurisson noted Vrba's testimony that he had seen an SS man pour poison gas through a roof hole in an upper-level gas chamber and then jauntily climb down. Christie forced Vrba to admit that the "chamber" in question was not a homicidal gas chamber at all but a mortuary and that it was not up high enough that someone had to climb down from it, because it was in fact located partially underground. Vrba said his error was "in good faith." Then, suddenly came a stunning series of confessions from Vrba. Vrba actually confessed that his book was "an artistic picture...not a document for a court." He agreed that he had NEVER ACTUALLY WITNESSED ANYBODY BEING GASSED TO DEATH, but had heard rumors! He further admitted that his written and pictorial descriptions of Auschwitz crematoria were a result of guessing, based on "what I heard it might look like". Trying to keep up some semblance of a front, Vrba squeeked that his mistakes were due to his "great urgency" to warn his fellow Jews. Vrba had turned out to be as big a fraud as Hilberg. No wonder the Zionists use every conceivable legal, economic, political, defamatory and violent ploy they can to stop the questioning of the Holocaust. Another interesting witness for the prosecution was Dennis Urstein, an "eyewitness" with the "positive proof." He claimed he saw bodies gassed with Zyklon B hauled out of the "gas chamber." He described the bodies as being "greyish-greenish" in color. Persons who have died from Zyklon B poisoning would turn a bright cherry red. In assisting with the disposal of bodies in the gas chamber it seems that Urstein wore no protective clothing. If this was the case he would have died too. Urstein also claimed with absolute certainty that 154 of his family died in the Holocaust but he had the greatest of difficulty naming even 20 of them. Of the 20 that he said died at the hands of the Nazis, one of these actually died in the U.S. in the late 1970's. Henry Leader was another "eyewitness" who couldn't get the body color of the supposed Zyklon B gas victims correct. He didn't even agree with Urstein's gray-green color. Leader came up with a new one: blue. One witness told of 30-40 people packed into a chamber ONE METER SQUARE. When told of the impossibility of this the judge said he would have to see how large that was. (This is a little larger that one square yard). When they brought a replica of one sq. meter into court, the judge would not allow it because he needed several qualified people to measure it before it could be allowed! It never was. (This was done with no jurors present, as many other details refused by the judge were.) The exterminationist ace-in-the-hole has always been Hollywood, so as the final "argument" which closed their case, the jury was shown the movie 'Nazi Concentration Camps', which was filmed in 1945 by Hollywood director George Stevens. It is filled with inaccuracies (such as that gas chambers existed in camps where even the ZIONISTS NOW ADMIT they did not. And maximum exploitation of scenes of piles of bodies to 'prove' the means of death (do piles of bodies prove the bodies were 'gassed'?) The Defense was not allowed to show the jury a SINGLE visual exhibit! Dr. Faurisson, during his testimony, discussing the figure of "six million murdered Jews," alluded to a German officer named Hoettl who just blurted this number out at his trial, with no substantiation. No one knows where he got the figure but it was made a part of the "documentary" record at Nuremberg. "This figure has just kept on being slavishly reproduced by the media and historians," Faurisson said. Another powerful witness for the defense was Dr. William Bryan Lindsay, with a doctorate in Chemistry from the University of Indiana. For 33 years he has been employed at a top U.S. corporation as a research chemist. He informed the court that the safety and time factors involved in the supposed gassing of millions of people with Zyklon B pesticide are scientifically impossible. "I have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B in this manner. I consider it absolutely impossible." Not being able to wriggle out of so devastating a contradiction to the myth by so eminent a scientist, the media downplayed or suppressed it altogether. The Toronto Sun refused to mention that Dr. Lindsey was a doctor of chemistry, referring to him as merely as a "chemist", which in a former British colony like Canada can also mean a druggist. Canada's national TV network gave absolutely no mention of his testimony in its entire 10 p.m broadcast. Ditlieb Felderer also testified for Zundel. He has been mentioned in previous posts. Not one of his 30,000 photographs was allowed to be offered as evidence. A courageous reporter (there still are a few), with over thirty years experience, Doug Collins next testified about the atmosphere of intimidation that surrounds free inquiry into the history of WW II. He said there was no topic that frightens reporters into submission to Zionist dogma than "Holocaust" revisionism. Any newsman who investigates revisionist critiques is smeared with the "anti-Semite" label. Mr. Collins warned that, should Zundel lose the case, reporters will have to check with the Jewish "Defense" League (which he called the "attack league") before having their material cleared for publication. Since the false news law was itself Orwellian in the sense that it claimed that jurors can telepathically determine if someone "knowingly" published "false news", Collins addressed the fundamental absurdity of the verdict the jury was ordered to decide. German historian Udo Walendy gave the jury background on the faking of photographs (a whole other story here) and the role of Zionist propagandists who were inserted into key positions in the Allied command and charged with determining what the Germans allegedly did. He too was severely restricted in what he could say and talk about by Judge Locke. Playwright and literature professor Dr. Gary Botting took the stand and informed the court that George Orwell, the great prophet who warned of the dangers of mind control, was the first to question the validity of gas chamber exterminations as far back as 1945. When Zundel was questioned, Griffiths suggested that Zundel's "fixation" on Jews implied that they were a problem. Zundel rebutted: "There are race problems, there are Jewish problems. (CTV reporter) Brian Nelson was fired for touching on the Jewish problem. He called Israel "the Zionist entity" (in a TV broadcast from Kuwait), and was kicked out of his job. That was the Jewish problem for Nelson." As a postscript, the book has a few things to say about how the media reported the trial: By grouping things that did happen and that Zundel and revisionists never denied in court: that there were crematoria, that possibly hundreds of thousands of Jews died from typhus and unintentional starvation brought on by merciless Allied bombing of supply lines, and placing them all under the heading of "Holocaust," people are led to believe that this is what is being denied. This is the delirious confusion inherent in the Newspeak linguistics which George Orwell warned against in '1984'. It is this confusion that is exploited to maximum effect by the Exterminationist propagandists. They want people to believe that revisionists are saying that there were never any concentration camps, no crematoria, no deportations, no innocents killed. But no revisionist from Butz to Berg to Faurisson to Martin has ever held this...Why do they need to invent this lie about revisionism? Let us examine the cover story of Canada's equivalent of TIME magazine...Maclean's magazine for March 11, 1985. If the "truth" was vindicated by that trial and gas chambering proven, why would Maclean's have to lie about the trial or distort the testimony? Wouldn't it be damaging enough just to accurately report it as it happened, if all went as well for Zionist orthodoxy as the Establishment now claims? The reader should note how Maclean's is counting on the laziness and gullibility of its readers. They are banking on the gamble that their readers will not check the transcript of the trial themselves, and that they haven't even saved or remembered the newspaper clippings of the Toronto press which covered Vrba's testimony and even headlined his confession of never actually having seen gassings himself. The media has a very low opinion of their reader's intelligence. The holocaust hoax has only existed for this length of time based on these very methods of censorship, omission and outright lying. On to the second trial. The final witness in the Zundel trial in 1988 was British historian David Irving. He has written nearly 30 books over 30 years. He has written 'Germany's Cities Did Not Die', 1961. His first famous book was 'The Destruction of Dresden (1963)', an investigation of the British and American air raid in which over 100,000 people were killed in the space of 12 hours. Even better known are the two volumes on the political and military biography of Adolph Hitler, 'The War Path: Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939' and 'Hitler's War, 1939-1945'. The Hitler biography required 10 years of archive research, as did 'Churchill's War'. To show what kind of author he is, I quote him: "For 10 years I researched Hitler's life based entirely on primary records. I don't believe in buying other peoples books or reading them on Adolf Hitler. We can readily surmise there must be many tens or hundreds of tons of books. I think it's easier to go to the archives and look at the documents. That way you avoid soaking up other people's prejudices." Irving named the "three criteria for a document to be acceptable to a historian," as laid down by the great English historian, Hugh Trevor-Roper. "First, "Is it genuine?" Second, "Was the person who wrote the document in a position to know what he is writing about?" Third, the historian must ask, "Why has {this document} come into existence?" People often create documents in order to protect themselves." Irving persuaded Hitler's staff to trust him with their private papers that they had not shown to anyone else. He also built up a card index of 10 or 15 thousand filing cards on a day-by-day basis so you knew exactly what Hitler was doing, rather like a diary. It meant that you had a useful tool to check any document. Any document that was shown to you had to fit with that card index. If it didn't, then there was something phony about the document. He also had scientific tests done on certain documents. When asked about his opinions formed about the so-called Holocaust and HITLER'S knowledge of it, he says: From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: Legal Testimony Against the Holocaust #2 Date: 15 Jun 1994 12:39:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 311 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2tnar6$a7b@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com "...I had found no documents showing any involvement between Adolph Hitler and the Holocaust, which was very disturbing for me. So I reinvestigated ... I couldn't believe what I was seeing, the fact there were no documents whatsoever showing that a Holocaust had ever happened...This was very disturbing for me and it was even more disturbing for my literary agent who warned me of the consequences of producing the Hitler book in this fashion." He later lost approx. 1 million dollars by writing this because of the many publishers who did not handle or cover his book. He states that "...Germany, by the end of the war, was a Fuehrer state without a Fuehrer. He had lost control of whatever was going on and I'm not going to be so simple as to say it was quite simply what is now called the Holocaust. Whatever it was that was going on, there is no evidence to satisfy an English Magistrate's Court and it certainly shouldn't satisfy a historian." Asked if there were six million Jews exterminated as a result of an official German policy, he said "We historians are not familiar...with the slightest documentary evidence that there was any such German policy. And I should be familiar with it, having spent 10 years wading around in the archives of the German High command...it isn't there....All Hitler's other crimes are documented in statistical details in the archives. This is supposed to have been the biggest crime of all and yet the documents just aren't there..." Asked of any evidence to support the policy of deportation, he said, "Quite definitely. The documents exist and it's quite clearly referred to as Hitler's order." When asked, "Did you find any orders for the extermination of Jews in the archives of any country?", he said, "None whatsoever and the British were reading the code signals of the SS." What about Himmler, Heydrich, Frank and other top Nazis? "There are no explicit orders and this is where the academic historians start asking us to read between the lines and find fancy translations for certain words and I wouldn't go along with these methods. I want in a crime as big as this to find explicit evidence. What one does find is documents pointing in the other direction. For example, in the spring of 1942, Hans Lammers, who was something like the German Prime Minister, telephoned the Secretary of State of the German Ministry of Justice, who made a note of their conversation. Lammers said that Hitler had repeatedly said that he wanted the solution of the Jewish problem postponed until after the war. This document was concealed at Nuremberg, and resurfaced only recently. It takes some explaining and this is the kind of document which embarrasses the academic historians." As for how he evaluates the Einsatzgruppen reports: "Here we have to look at the third of the Trevor-Roper criteria...why does this document exist. A man is out in the field behind the Russian front doing his job for the SS...and he is going to show he's doing a jolly good job...Statistics like this are meaningless." Sounds like our inflated body counts during Viet Nam. Asked if he thought an enterprise of the magnitude of the extermination of the Jews of Europe could be accomplished...without the existence of explicit orders and plans, he says: "...I have to say that the German wartime civil servant was basically a cowardly animal and he would not do something that he considered to be criminal without getting a document clearing himself. That is why there are letters showing Himmler saying "by the Fuehrer's orders we are deporting the Jews." Which was the extent of the Fuehrer's orders and which was the extent, to my mind, of the Final Solution...Hitlers other crimes...The euthanasia order, the order to kill British commandos, the orders to lynch American airmen, the orders for the killing of the male population of Stalingrad if they ever occupied it. Hitler's other crimes, simple crimes, the documents are there where you expect to find them. And yet this biggest crime of all, there is no document. Further, these orders would have been referred to in countless files of different ministerial bodies. So it would have been impossible for these documents to have been destroyed at the end of the war. There would always be carbon copies somewhere." Asked if, in his opinion, the Holocaust had been sufficiently investigated to determine accurately its extent and meaning, he replied: "I think there has been virtually no investigation of the Holocaust....The standard works like Allan Bullock's 'Hitler: A Study in Tyranny' are riddled with errors, yet they go into reprint after reprint." Has there been any indication of hard evidence for numbers killed at all? He answers: "Certain numbers for certain specific tragedies," yet he cautioned, "these episodes are served up again and again and again as being examples of what was going on." He also says: " There were very large numbers of massacres which can only be described as bloody and mindless, of Jews and other ethnic minorities in occupied Europe during the War." He also agreed that Himmler and Heydrich had knowledge of the massacres. But he says "I don't think there was any overall Reich policy to kill the Jews." He also testifies on "...some very interesting documents in the British Archives which show the British Intelligence Service suggesting a propaganda campaign against Germany on the basis of invented allegations of gas chambers..." Irving mentions that Himmler's diary is in the hands of the Israelis. They will not allow any historians to examine it. If there had been any evidence of a Holocaust they would be the first to release it. Irving talks about the many documents that have been altered. For instance, "attempts by historians to find veiled allusions to genocide in speeches like that of Himmler's to his SS Ogergruppenfuehrers." He says he was "unhappy about the integrity because of the remarkable fact that at this point the type script changes, a page appears to have been inserted by a different typist, the numeration of the pages changes from a typewritten page number at the top to a penciled page number at the top, and there are various other indications about that speech that make me queasy." Also, the speech by Himmler talking of the solution of the Jewish problem. "You can imagine how I felt executing this soldierly order issued to me, but I obediently complied..." The page containing this pregnant sentence "was manifestly retyped and inserted in the transcript at a later date, as the different indenting shows...Another example of a document being tampered with." He quotes many examples of documents being changed, especially those used at the Nuremberg trials. So don't take at face value all those 'FACTS' you all out there use to repudiate the revisionists literature, unless you have personally seen the original documents or the author has seen them and not just quoting from another book he has read. This is an author who admits that when he started his books, believed in the standard Holocaust story. But he has changed his mind as time went on. Even as now many noted Jewish historians are changing their minds. Examples are: Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz emphasized the extreme lack of objectivity of Jewish survivors in an article published in a 1950 issue of the New York journal, Jewish Social Studies. "The question thus arises whether participants of such a world-shaking epoch can at all be its historians and whether the time has yet come when valid historic judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness and ulterior motives is possible." The Jerusalem Post of Aug. 17, 1986 quoted Shmuel Krakowski, the director or Israel's major Holocaust archives, as saying that more than half of the survivor testimonies in his records were "unreliable." Many elderly Jews had taken second-hand information and "let their imaginations run away with them," said the Post. In his book, The Final Solution, historian Gerald Reitlinger referred to the tendency of Jewish Holocaust survivors to exaggerate their stories. French-Jewish historian Olga Wormser-Migot made the point that "many Jewish inmates in the concentration camps made up stories about gas chambers" in order to suggest they had suffered as badly as other Jews in other camps. There are many Jews world wide who agree with much of what the Revisionists say. One such person is Noam Chomsky, one of the worlds leading experts in linguistics. He signed a petition, along with many other prominent persons, recommending that Robert Faurisson's declaration that the Holocaust did not happen, as is usually believed, should be investigated further. Mr. Chomsky did not testify at Zundel's trial but one Jew that did testify in his defense was Joseph G. Berg, who is Jewish on both sides of his family. He has published Holocaust-debunking books since 1960. He has spoken with hundreds of people who were in Auschwitz during the war. Asked whether there were gas chambers at Auschwitz, he answered "There were NO extermination camps at all". During the war, Berg had lived in a district under Romanian control which was reserved for Jews of the region. He says; "It was a lot worse for us than in a concentration camp...The German authorities looked after the inmates in the camps...We were left to our own devices." Berg spoke of meeting Ilya Ehrenburg, the famous Soviet Jewish writer and propagandist, at the Nuremberg trials. Ehrenburg had examined Auschwitz after the war, and was with another prominent Jew, a publisher, who had been interned there for several years. Burg asked both men if they saw anything suggestive of gassings, and both answered in the negative. He was asked about statements made by Jews saying Jews were burned and gassed. He answered: "I would like to see a Jew who has given such statements during trial. One should force him to take an oath under the rabbinical rites with the skull cap, without pictures of Christ present, with the Hebrew Bible, in the presence of a rabbi or a pious religious Jew. Then he should swear an oath that he has seen something like that. Then these false oaths, these false statements, these sick statements, would go down by 99.5 percent. Because the superficial oath is not binding, morally binding, for these Jews." He was asked about how the yellow star came to be worn by the Jews. Berg replied that, "The director of the Zionist movement in Germany had called for it as early as 1933. The measure was finally implemented in 1938, against the wishes of both Goering and Goebbels. The Zionists didn't understand it as an insult, but rather as a heroic gesture. Just like the SS wear the swastika." He also said: "It was a matter of the establishment of the State of Israel. The large Jewish bankers did not want to go to Israel themselves, but they did support the country in their own way...they play a double game...They helped support the Hitler regime. Some had said they would sacrifice European Jewry if it brought them Israel." Along these lines, testimony of Bradley Smith, mentioning a case of Holocaust fraud. He cited the fantasies of Elie Wiesel, who claims "...that when some Jews were executed in the Ukraine, that for months after the shootings...their cadavers continued to spurt geysers of blood from their graves into the air." Mr. Smith says, "Now, I have two ways to look at this. I can either look at it as if Mr. Wiesel believes it, then of course he's not wrapped too tight, or I can look at it that he's passing along fraudulent information. You don't have to have a doctorate in hydrology to understand in this day and age that even Jewish cadavers cannot spurt geysers of blood from their graves for months after they have been buried. Now, not only is the fraud in the original statement, but the fraud is also perpetuated by the unwillingness of our academics and the press to question him about such matters...it is an expression of the cowardice of these professions in the face of the lobby that runs the Holocaust story." Another historian, Mark Weber, spoke of testimony at the Nuremberg trial. The "very common defense strategy used at Nuremberg and other postwar trials was, The attorney will argue that...there was a terrible extermination program that we will not dispute but MY particular defendant was not involved in it, and this is done in order to avoid getting into what is an almost impossible task and that is to call into question the entire Holocaust extermination story which is held to with an almost religious fervor..." When asked, "Do you know whether any of the defendants at Nuremberg admitted to extermination?", Weber replied, "EVERY single defendant denied that he knew of ANY program to exterminate the Jews during the war." Berg mentioned the case of Dr. Benedikt Kautsky, a prominent socialist Jew who spent three years in Birkenau. His mother was there as well. She was about 80, became ill, and got "special treatment" - which in her case meant especially good food and care. After the war, Kautsky returned to Vienna, to publish a Workers newspaper which brought out the truth. He also published a book, 'Teufel und Verdammte (1946)', which told the truth about the alleged extermination of the Jews. "The whole edition was burned." The story of the gassings, said Burg, "comes from a sick mind". This should help show that the Revisionists message is not strictly a Gentile against Jew story. Some Jews are also on their side, with more changing their mind all the time. Even without the gassing story, the Jews still suffered very much during the war. Just to toss another fact at you before I am through... Kurt Gerstein has written about the extermination of people in Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka by an old Diesel motor in each camp. I am sure all of you have heard the story also. I'm sure none of you have read along with the story that Diesel motors don't produce enough carbon monoxide to kill people reliably! The Germans would certainly have used gasoline engines or another more suitable method. Thanks, WALKING WOUNDED Article 32264 of soc.culture.german: Path: oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!xlink.net!nntp.gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: "Liberators" Date: 18 Jun 1994 00:40:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 617 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2tttr3$g2@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 13, Number 3 (May/June 1993): MULTI-MEDIA 'LIBERATORS' PROJECT EXPOSED AS FRAUD Historical Truth Survives "Politically Correct" Exploitation Mark Weber and Greg Raven Exposing historical and media fraud sometimes takes years or even decades. In the case of a recent heavily promoted and widely praised multi-media project - designed to promote the Holocaust story, condemn official racism against blacks in America during the Second World War, and encourage racial tolerance - debunking has come much more quickly. _Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II_ - a lavishly financed project that claims to tell the story of how black troops liberated Buchenwald and Dachau - was exposed as an error-packed fraud within weeks of its debut. Producers Nina Rosenblum and William Miles collaborated with author Lou Potter on the slickly promoted project that includes a much-touted "documentary" film, a book, a high school workbook, a screenplay and a theatrical version. Even before its public debut, "Liberators" had garnered impressive national and international support. Typical of the hype was the praise by _Publishers Weekly_ (Oct. 19, p. 32), a leading publishing trade periodical: It's been a long time in coming, but _Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II_, as a book, a TV documentary, a workbook for high schools to accompany the documentary, and a theatrical feature, is going to make its presence felt. This is the story, not found in standard historical accounts, of the role played by the 761st Tank Battalion in freeing the prisoners of Dachau and Buchenwald. Jesse Jackson presented a copy of the sumptuous book version of _Liberators_ (published by the prestigious firm of Harcourt Brace Jovanovich) to President-elect Clinton. The black leader also announced that, with financial backing from financier Felix Rohatyn, he would distribute copies to every school library in the United States. Gala Premiere New York Mayor David Dinkins introduced the "Liberators" film at its premiere showing on November 9 at a star-studded gathering of more than 700 leaders of the city's Jewish and black communities. The gala event at New York's Lincoln Center was cosponsored by the US Holocaust Memorial Council (a taxpayer-funded federal government agency) and WNET television (New York City's prestigious PBS station). Referring obliquely to the high level of tension between the city's Jews and blacks, Dinkins said: ". . . When we see those brave African-American soldiers freeing Jewish prisoners of concentration camps, let us remember all that binds us together." Reporting on the premiere showing, the US Holocaust Council's (Winter 1992-93) _Newsletter_ similarly boasted that the film "offered a rare opportunity for reconciliation and communication between two of New York's most prominent ethnic groups." Two days later (Veteran's Day), WNET broadcast "Liberators" nationally on the PBS television network as part of its prestigious "American Experience" series. In mid-December, Jesse Jackson introduced the film at its showing at the Apollo Theater in Harlem, a high-profile event sponsored by media giant Time Warner and a host of rich and influential New Yorkers. (_New Republic_, Feb. 8, p. 13; _New York Guardian_, March 1993) Truth Emerges Because its errors are so blatant and readily discernible, it wasn't long before critics began pointing them out. The first periodical to take aim was a relatively obscure monthly, the _New York Guardian_. In its December 1992 issue, the paper reported: After an intensive examination of Army records and interviews with military historians, Holocaust experts, [and] World War II veterans including black soldiers whose lives were depicted in "Liberators," the Guardian has learned that the most celebrated facts of "Liberators" are not true. Neither soldiers of the 761st All Black Tank Battalion nor the soldiers of the 183rd Black Combat Engineers ever liberated Buchenwald or Dachau. Veterans' groups and individual veterans of the 761st soon joined in, confirming that black units did not liberate Buchenwald or Dachau. Robert Abzug, professor of history at the University of Texas, and author of _Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps_, said that the _Liberators_ book and film "violates any sense of historical accuracy." (_New Republic_, March 8, p. 42) Staged "Reunion" The "highlight" of "Liberators," reports the Winter 1992-93 _Newsletter_ of the US Holocaust Memorial Council, is a "deeply moving reunion" at Buchenwald of former inmate Benjamin Bender "with two of his liberators," E. G. McConnell and Leonard Smith. "In autumn 1991," readers of _Liberators_ (p. vii) are told: Jewish survivors of Dachau and Buchenwald were reunited, under the auspices of the production team, with members of the 761st. The dramatic and poignant event received widespread media coverage, which led to Harcourt Brace Jovanovich's decision to employ the publishing medium in making this exciting and previously untold story available to the widest possible audience in this country and abroad. This "moving" and "poignant" event is a deceitful fraud. "It's a lie," confirms McConnell. "We were nowhere near these camps when they were liberated.... I first went to Buchenwald in 1991 with PBS, not the 761st." (_New Republic_, Feb. 6, p. 13) [Photograph captioned, "A fraudulent scene from 'Liberators.' According to the caption to this photo in the Winter 1992-93 Newsletter of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, former inmate Benjamin Bender 'recalls the day the American troops freed him and his fellow inmates from Buchenwald with two of his liberators, E.G. McConnell, left, and Leonard (Smitty) Smith.' Their 'reunion' here at Buchenwald is a lie. McConnell and Smith were miles away from the camp when it was liberated."] Rosenblum and Miles blatantly disregarded the truth, McConnell says: "I called their attention to it. I tried to stop them, but in the final stages they decided to deviate from the fact." In an effort to secure his cooperation with the project, "Liberators" co-producers Rosenblum and Miles offered McConnel $11,000. He turned them down. (_New York Guardian_, Dec. 1992) "Liberators," McConnell charges, is a "distortion of black history. They [the producers] had received a lot of money from the Jewish community based on the story and they [the producers] didn't want to change it." (_New York Guardian_, Dec. 1992) More Lies One person who figures prominently in "Liberators" is Leon Bass, a black veteran who has made a second career speaking to gatherings sponsored by Jewish groups, and to classrooms of impressionable school children. He has been featured on the "MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour" and in other major media as a liberator of Buchenwald. In the Rosenblum/Miles film, and in his frequent lectures, Bass calls himself a "liberator." (_New Republic_, Feb. 8, p. 14) He has received numerous awards and large speaking fees for retelling his "liberation" story, and was named co-chairman of the Philadelphia Council on the Holocaust. (_New York Guardian_, March 1993) In fact, though, he only visited Buchenwald - on orders - five days AFTER its liberation. In both in the film and the book version of "Liberators," Bass also emotionally recounts how he and his unit, the 183rd Combat Engineers, built a bridge in a Belgian town during the December 1944 "Battle of the Bulge." He and his men worked "...in spite of strafing by the airplanes that would come down daily and machine-gun us. In spite of the shelling of the howitzers, we worked on that bridge." As a result, Bass continued, "many of my friends" were killed building the bridge. (_Liberators_, p. 190) In fact, the only soldier to die while constructing the bridge was one officer who was killed in an accident involving his jeep. There was no strafing by German planes. During its entire time of service in Europe, the 183rd lost three of its members, all due to accidents. (_New York Guardian_, March 1993) According to _Liberators_ (p. 217), Buchenwald was liberated when The tankers from the 761st broke through the Buchenwald gates and, with their accompanying infantrymen, quickly ended resistance from the SS guards.... Johnnie Stevens recalls: "We ... shot up the place and chased the guards out of there. It was a sight I never want to see again, I'll tell you that. This account is sheer invention. American troops did not break through the camps' gates (they entered on foot), nor did they shoot up the place or chase guards. On liberation day, "recalls" former Buchenwald inmate Ben Bender, an airplane flew overhead and gunfire was exchanged. (_Liberators_, p. 217) In fact, the German camp guards had already abandoned the camp hours before, and there was no gunfire or planes flying overhead. _The New York Times_ Record of Falsehood Over the years, few institutions have been more guilty of distorting the truth about the wartime fate of Europe's Jews than _The New York Times_, America's most influential daily paper, and an important booster of "Liberators." (Joseph Sobran, syndicated columnist and _National Review_ writer, once joked that the paper "really ought to change its name to Holocaust Update.") The _New York Guardian_ detailed "a clear pattern of inaccurate reporting, and the employment of faulty journalistic practices" by _The New York Times_ since 1985 in its coverage of the liberation of the German camps, and particularly the supposed role of black US Army units. The monthly paper cited eleven specific examples of such distortion of fact by the _Times_. (_New York Guardian_, March 1993) Defending Deceit Revealing and instructive has been the response of the project's producers and supporters to honest efforts by those who tried to point out its errors. Co-producer Rosenblum angrily castigated her film's critics as Holocaust Revisionists and racists. "These people are [of] the same mentality that says that the Holocaust didn't happen," she said. (_New Republic_, Feb. 6, pp. 13-14) [Photograph captioned, "The 'Liberators' film premiered at a gala gathering in New York City, November 9, cosponsored by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and public television station WNET. Among the attendees were, from left: Entertainer Lena Horne, an unidentified person, Harvey Meyerhoff (chairman of the US Holocaust Memorial Council), Nina Rosenblum ('Liberators' co-producer), actor Louis Gossett, Jr., William F. Baker, Elizabeth Rohatyn (WNET vice chairperson), and William Miles ('Liberators' co-producer)."] When military affairs specialist and New York City radio talk show host Jim Dingman confronted Rosenblum about her film's inaccuracies, she called him a "racist." And when he tried to explain the truth to the Anti-Defamation League (which had eagerly endorsed the project), an ADL spokesperson dismissed him as a "revisionist." (_New York Guardian_, Dec. 1992) McConnell tells a similar story. When he tried to explain the film's fraud to the Anti-Defamation League, he was sharply rebuffed. The ADL "treated me like I was a kook or something," he says. While admitting that the film's description of the "reunion" scene "may be misleading," Rosenblum told one skeptic: "You can't speak to him [McConnell] because he's snapped. He was hit in the head with shrapnel and was severely brain-damaged." Informed of this, McConnell responded: "If I was so disturbed, why did they use me in the film?" (_New Republic_, Feb. 8, p. 13) As it happens, McConnell is referred to on more than 20 pages of _Liberators_, often in direct quotes. As criticism mounted, Rosenblum "continually encouraged the veterans to blame any challenge of the film's veracity on bigotry" and "deflected criticism of the film by charging prejudice." To one critic she responded by asking why he was "willing to believe a white commander and not [the black] soldiers." (_New York Guardian_, March 1993) Finally, Rosenblum tried to explain away criticism of her film by charging: There's tremendous racism in the Jewish community. How people who have been through the Holocaust can be racist is completely incomprehensible. To think that black people are less, which is what most Jewish people think, I can't understand it. (_New Republic_, Feb. 6, pp. 13-14) Damage Control After the essentially fraudulent character of "Liberators" had been widely reported, the project's most prominent backers engaged in some "damage control" and sought to distance themselves from the now-discredited production. WNET announced on February 11 that "Liberators" was being "withdrawn" from circulation. Explaining the decision, WNET vice president Harry Chancey, Jr., referred to "the sacred nature of the Holocaust.... Rather than let this film go up like an incendiary bomb, we decided that we would withdraw the film. . ." Defiance Even so, "Liberators" still had staunch defenders. One was Peggy Tishman, a former president of the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York. "Liberators," she said, is "good for the Holocaust. ...Why would anybody want to exploit the idea that this is a fraud?. . ." What is important here is not historical accuracy but black-Jewish "dialogue," she explained, and added: "There are a lot of truths that are very necessary. This is not a truth that's necessary." (_New Republic_, Feb. 8, p. 14) [Photograph captioned, "American soldiers who liberated Dachau summarily killed 520 of the 560 German camp personnel who had surrendered. Here, soldiers of the 157th Regiment, 45th Division, have just machine-gunned a group of about a hundred German prisoners. Four who were missed are still standing, they were killed moments after this photo was taken. No one has ever been punished for this atrocity. (US Army photo SC 208765.)"] At Yale University, "Liberators" was "defiantly" shown to a gathering of 200 students and citizens of New Haven. "This is one more tool to help us address the issue of racism," said Gertrude Sparks, director of the New Haven YMCA which, along with local Jewish leaders, cosponsored the showing. "This is not the time to concern ourselves with who gets credit for what camps were taken. This film will illuminate history." (_Forward_, March 5) "Liberators" was also shown on February 8 at Harvard University. One person defended the film there by absurdly asserting that "for eight days the 761st held the German army. If they hadn't held it, the German army would have gone back to Paris. ...Whether they went into the camps first or last... is not relevant." (_Forward_, Feb. 12) In San Francisco, television station KQED broadcast "Liberators" on February 21, ten days after it had been "withdrawn" by the PBS network. Harcourt Brace Jovanovich decided not to withdraw the _Liberators_ book from circulation, and it remained a selection of the prestigious Book of the Month Club. (_New York Times Book Review_, Feb. 21, p. 36) Perhaps most astonishingly, on February 17 it was announced that the "Liberators" film had been nominated for an Oscar award in the category of Best Documentary. What Critics Missed Regrettably - but understandably - none of the prominent critics of "Liberators" have been able or willing to point out the project's falsehoods as they touch on the Holocaust extermination story itself. For example, _Liberators_ (pp. 58, 239) revives the now well-discredited story that inmates were killed in gas chambers at Dachau: As the 761st and the 100th were preparing for combat, inmates at Dachau - outside Munich - were being murdered by the thousands. Most were gassed, shot, or hanged ... "Then I [GI Walter Lewis] went in the back to what they called the shower room. I didn't go in, I just peeked through the window because I feared that maybe the gas was still on." _Liberators_ (p. 135) also reports that In Buchenwald, that summer of '44, [inmate] Ben Bender could only gaze, in numbed horror, at the gray clouds billowing twenty-four hours a day from the crematorium's towering smokestacks. Actually, crematories are designed in such a way that they do not "billow" smoke. Bender has also claimed to have "stood in the gas chamber" at Buchenwald. (_Los Angeles Times_, "TV Times" sec., Nov. 8, p. 7.) As every reputable historian of this era acknowledges, there was no "gas chamber" at the camp. _Liberators_ (p. 158) also cites the "confession" of Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf Hoss as proof that three million were killed in that camp. (As Dr. Robert Faurisson and others have pointed out, this confession is demonstrably inaccurate on key points, was obtained by torture, and is worthless as proof. See _The Journal of Historical Review_, Winter 1986, pp. 389 ff.) Unmentioned Atrocity "Liberators" makes no mention whatsoever of what was almost certainly the worst single atrocity committed at Dachau: the murder by the camp's American liberators of 520 of the 560 German camp personnel who had surrendered. About 100 were shot down wherever they were found scattered around the camp. GIs permitted inmates to kill another 40 prisoners with shovels, clubs and guns. But most of those who surrendered - 358 in all - were lined up against walls and summarily machine-gunned by American soldiers. (Source: Howard Buechner, _Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger_, Metairie, La., 1986.) Conclusion Summing up the "Liberators" debacle, the _New York Post_ pointedly commented: "What we have here, in short, is an effort to rewrite history to suit contemporary political purposes." (Quoted in _The Washington Times_, Feb. 7) While few of those who have pointed out errors and fraud in "Liberators" would regard themselves as "revisionist," Rosenblum's angry denunciation of her critics as such is quite apt. Every person who helps set straight the historical record is indeed a revisionist - in the best sense of the word. And although the larger Holocaust questions have remained untouched by mainstream commentators, the relatively successful spotlighting of the fraudulent nature of the "Liberators" project, and the debunking of many of its specific lies, is nevertheless a welcome blow for historical truth. [end of article] [Reprinted by permission from _The Journal of Historical Review_, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, CA 90505, USA. Subscription rate: $40 per year, domestic. $50 per year, foreign.] This article was scanned by the System Operator of the "Banished CPU" computer bulletin board system, which is located in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech! ___________________________________________________________ | | | For 300-9600 bps (3 lines w/V.32) call: (503) 232-5783 | | For 14400 bps (2 lines w/V.32bis) call: (503) 232-6566 | |___________________________________________________________| Sysop: Maynard "the Main Nerd" [end of file] Article 12742 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: LEUCHTER: Use your modem to reach him! Date: 18 Jun 1994 15:01:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2tvg9f$aia@search01.news.aol.com> References:NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com With regard to the title: What was Fred Leuchter's modem number? WmMichael@aol.com Article 12809 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Group Integrity Date: 21 Jun 1994 20:00:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2u7uu2$bku@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com How about all the "exterminationists" keep their stuff off and put it in the right group, the same for the "Identity" people, etc. so that this board can be used for authentic historical revisionist arguments, evidence, etc. WmMichael@aol.com Article 13032 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmmichael@aol.com (Wm Michael) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The consistency of the denier mind (was re: Bacque) Date: 27 Jun 1994 16:58:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 33 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2unegt$on5@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In Message <2ulh48$1vu@mary.iia.org> Fritz Berg bergf@mary.iia.org stated: >> Let me also repeat what I have said elsewhere that American GIs in Germany near the end of the war generally were pigs and their officers did next to nothing to control them. Rape was rampant and taken for granted-<< Nothing technical, but I was recently getting some work done on my wifes car, and, while sitting in the waiting room, began listening to an ongoing conversation. An older man was telling a younger one about his experiences in WWII. After listening for awhile, when the younger man (a somewhat captive audience to my observation) left, I asked him the question, Did American troops really rape German women in areas under US control. His reply as near as I can quote it was as follows: Anyone who says it didnt happen wasnt there. Yes it went on all the time. More of it happened in France in my company where some officers and troops were hanged for raping French women. But mostly they looked the other way in Germany, although some were hanged for it. It was worse in surrounding companies. I also knew a German woman who said that a GI tried to rape her mother after she wouldnt trade sex for a candy bar. She said she ran and got the officer who dragged the GI away before he could actually rape her. She also stated that rape of German women by GIs was common. William M. v. Peters
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