Path: news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.net!newshub.internex.net!newshub1.internex.net!news.Stanford.EDU!rcgraves From: rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 960824: More sabotage Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:38:00 -0700 Organization: Fans of Nizkor, http://www.nizkor.org/ Lines: 274 Message-ID:References: <4v2md6$h2c@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: pax-ca26-22.ix.netcom.com X-PGP-Key: Email this account with subject "send pgp key" X-Fingerprint: E2 50 47 A9 6E C7 B1 F2 B6 44 1B 76 BD E5 BE 47 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article , zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote: > The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism > daily, unedited. The opinions expressed do not represent the views of the > poster, who is not the author. See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good > place to start is http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe, > ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ Hey, that should probably be http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/ now. > ------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------ > > Good Morning from the Zundelsite: Good morning, Ingrid! > Speaking on the verdict, Lauck said in German "Neither the communists nor > the Nazis ever dared to kidnap an American citizen! The fight will go > on!" This is untrue, of course. Both the Nazis and the Soviets kidnapped Americans. Since Lauck was arrested in Denmark and extradited to Germany, though, I think his quarrel should be elsewhere. > * Regarding the Human Rights Commission shenanigans to get at Ernst > Zundel from yet another angle, since all the previous moves have > boomeranged, a Zundelwatch Reader reported: > > "I spoke to the consumer relations man at the Inhuman Rights Center in > Canada (at) the number you gave above, and he would answer nothing except > that they were investigating a complaint. > > He would not say what the complaint was or by whom. I'm sure this is true. The law prevents them from commenting substantively on cases under investigation. It's called due process of law, and it's intended to preserve the rights of the accused. You wouldn't want them leaking everything they had to the press, would you? And how are they to know you're really a "friend"? The only proper thing for them to do is to say nothing except in open court. This investigation may well be dismissed before it even reaches open court, so keep your shirt on, cowboy. > * Somebody spammed 129 newsgroups with solicitations for my ZGram. > Some of the newsgroups are the following: This is true. You're welcome. It took some work to track down the forgeries, by your friend in New Jersey (the Ron/Diaper Debbie/TChung troller), and cancel them. Ingrid apparently received no great amount of annoying mail as a result of the forged spam, which was my concern. I am happy to have helped avert that. > How do I know this happened? Because one of the servers - or whoever is > in charge of these things - wrote to me that the spam was so massive it > cancelled itself out. Yes, they were canceled just like your repeated spams in 1995. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rimland.ingrid Spams like this do not "cancel themselves out," Ingrid. It only went to 128 groups, not enough to trigger an alpha-spam detector. They can only be detected by someone who cares enough to track them down. In this case, that was me. The article I posted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc, with Cc to you and the postmasters at both ios.com and cts.com, is appended below. > How do I know who did it? Because the creature who cooked this up > decided to write in to let the server know that it was all a hoax - and to > please cancel the posts. He also left his name - well-known to me and > others. You draw your own conclusions. Ingrid, please tell us about this "creature." You have his name? We've been looking for that spammer, too. In the absence of any real information, how are we to draw our own conclusions? Posted and emailed in the hope that Ingrid might want to elaborate. For this issue and the one below, maybe this article should be saved on Nizkor. > Also, courtesy of the not-so-Anonymous Source, I received a letter > (supposedly written by me) that is as filthy as it gets and as sadistic as > it gets. Apparently this letter was posted in my name in alt.revisionism. Please post this letter, with headers. > * And, finally, I don't think that it is coincidence that the Aryan > Nations web page was hacked last weekend - I was told by a program called > "satan" - the same weekend the Department of Justice web page was hacked. > As many of you know, the DoJ was corrupted with swastikas and a nude woman > decapitating a man. This is simply amazing. 1. The Aryan Nations web site was not hacked last weekend, or any time at all as far as I know. If you have solid information to the contrary, please post details. 2. The word for what did not occur is "cracking," not "hacking." See the Hacker Dictionary or Steve Levy's Wired articles for an exploration of the difference. 3. SATAN, the System Administrators' Tool for Analyzing Networks, is not and has never been a tool for crackers. When SATAN is invoked, it's usually a sure sign of either an unsuccessful attack by an incompetent fool, or an unreliable source making the whole thing up. In this case, I'd guess the latter. 4. The DOJ page was indeed cracked as an anti-CDA and general anti-government protest. I thought it was pretty stupid. There was much discussion on Declan't so-called fight-censorship list. 5. The "nude woman decapitating a man" was a completely different case. It has absolutely nothing to do with either of the above. It's on grotesque.com, if you were wondering. They are real pictures from a real murder case. I couldn't bear to look. Path: nntp.Stanford.EDU!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc Subject: Please Cancel: EMP/ECP (Spam), BI 35, idt.net forgery "Get the world famous Zgrams !" Date: 16 Aug 1996 13:41:10 -0700 Organization: Uncensored Internet, http://www.c2.org/uncensored/ Lines: 133 Sender: llurch@Networking.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <4v2md6$h2c@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Please cancel the following articles, all of which are forgeries with the same content for the purpose of harassing a user at cts.com, and terminate the account. If you need another reason to act, someone fitting the profile of this user [NNTP-Posting-Host: *.nyc.idt.net, X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1PE (Windows; I; 16bit)] has been forging articles in various inappropriate newsgroups for at least three months; for some evidence of this, see: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/huber/1996/tchung.0596 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/huber/1996/mckane.0696 Those seem to be violations of idt.net's terms of service, but this latest round is the first time that this user has clearly stepped into net abuse. At least 11 articles with identical content were posted to at least 145 newsgroups (one crossposted to alt.folklore.urban has apparently already been canceled). The Breidbart index is at least 35. A complete copy of one article and the Newsgroups: and Message-ID: lines of the rest follow. - - -rich Path: altavista!decwrl!news.PBI.net!zdc!zdc-e!news-out.microserve.net! news-in.microserve.net!mr.net!news.ios.com!usenet From: Ingrid Newsgroups: lt.binaries.pictures.erotica,alt.teen, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.blondes,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teens, alt.binaries.pictures.nudism,alt.sex.fetish.sm.fig,alt.sex.fetish.tinygirls, alt.sex.pictures,alt.sex.pictures.female,alt.sex.pre-teens Subject: Get the world famous Zgrams ! Date: 14 Aug 1996 12:33:58 GMT Organization: Inet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4ush3m$44r@news.ios.com> References: <4sh3uf$k9g@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> <31F03B06.477C@arn.net> <4tpek4$fn2@snow.btinternet.com> <320ADC3A.37E2@compuserve.com> <320B131F.7AF3@express-news.net> <320DE3C7.4233@Excaliber.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-70.ts-5.nyc.idt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1PE (Windows; I; 16bit) Click the send mail/post reply button and write: Subscibe to zgrams please. You will love them ! 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