Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:21:08 GMT
From: aem0608@is2.nyu.edu
To: aem0608@is2.nyu.edu
Subject: More Lies & Half-Truth Courtesy of Ingrid Rimland
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

How much longer will you so-called "revisionists" allow Ingrid Rimland to
assault your intelligence? In yesterday's (5/18/98) Zgram, she quotes from Tom
Segev's book _The Seventh Million_:

INGRID RIMLAND'S TEXT BEGINS HERE

I shall now quote while I still can - straight from The Seventh Million" by
Tom Segev.  This quote is taken at random from many that were introduced.
This  particular quote is a reflection of a "Reparations Debate" the
Chosenites held at one point a few years after the war, and the person who
culled it for the Zundel Team had titled it: "Where will you get six
million more Jews?"

Here is the actual Segev quote:

"In March 1952, just days before the negotiations with Germany began,
Johanan Bader said:  "Suppose they pay you for six million Jews, but when
the reparations period is over . . . where will you get six million more
Jews so that you can get more money?"  This comment completed the question
that Arieh Ben-Eliezer had presented to Mapai a few months before, when it
became known that Germany was going to pay Israel not in cash but in the
form of goods.  "Will these German products include soap produced from
human bodies?" Ben-Eliezer asked.  Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to
Shmuel Dayan (Mapai):  "A glik hot unz getrofen (". . . a great fortune has
befallen us") - six million Jews were murdered, and we can get some money."
(pp222, 223)

So that gives you a taste what the Holocaust Promotion Lobby does not
want people in the streets to know.

END OF INGRID RIMLAND'S TEXT

I'm going to fill you in on what Ingrid _didn't_ tell you; this is information
that has been in the public domain, readily available, since these very
debates took place in 1952. That's right: I said debates. Because it was Mapai
(Labor), headed by David Ben-Gurion and of which the aforementioned Shmuel
Dayan was a member, that stood in favor of receiving reparations from Germany
while the conservative Herut party, headed by Menachem Begin and of which the
aforementioned Bader, Ben-Eliezer, and Landau were members, that were arguing
against reparations in the Knesset. This is what Ingrid has conveniently
expurgated from her quote from Segev -- that not everyone in the Knesset
wanted these expurgations, and that these remarks on behalf of the
aforementioned Herut members were not snide comments meant to imply that the
monolithic "Jews" were laughing at the hoax they'd perpetrated in order to sap
the Germans of money, but rather were attacks on the Labor party for their
support of what they considered to be blood money. Landau's remark in
particular is a personal attack -- not on the Germans but on Dayan.

I call attention in specific to Rabbi Joseph Telushkin's book _Jewish
Literacy_, copyright 1991 and published in New York by William Morrow, and
particularly to pp. 372-74, section 194, entitled "German Reparations." I
shall quote here at length from Telushkin:

In 1952, when the possibility was raised of Germany making formal reparation
payments tothe newly established State of Israel, ugly and violent fights
broke out in the Jewish community. Israel was then only four years old, and in
very difficult financial straits . . . Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion
was desperately seeking sources of revenue, and it rankled him that Germany
[sic] not only had murdered six million Jews but kept their property too.

At the same time, Konrad Adenaur, Germany's chancellor, wanted to make some
restitution to the Jewish people . . . In 1951, he announced West Germany's
willingness to make payments to Israel, following negotions with her and with
representatives of Diaspora Judaism.

This was the background for a meeting in 1952 between Adenauer and Zionist
leader Nahum Goldmann. Goldmann addressed Adenauer at length, emphasizing that
Israel expected at least $1 billion from the Germans . . . He warned Adenauer
that if Germany intended to haggle over the amount, it would be better not to
start negotiations, since the dispute would further intensify Jewish
bitterness toward Germany. Adenauer immediately responded that he recognized
Goldmann's claim as just, and had every intention of paying the money.

Subseqeunt to the Goldmann-Adenauer meeting, Ben-Gurion requested the Israeli
Knesset to approve in principel such negotiations with Germany. Some of Ben-
Gurion's own Labor party members were not anxious to accept what they regarded
as "blood money"; everyone understood that acceptance of reparations would
help Germany win approval in the eyes of the world. The deepest opposition
came from Ben-Gurion's longtime opponent, Menachem Begin . . . To Begin,
accepting money from Germany was equivalent to selling off the dead Jews at so
much a body. Begin took to the streets and urged people to riot against the
Israeli government . . . So provocative were Begin's attacks on Ben-Gurion
that the Knesset temporarily expelled him from his seat. The Knesset finally
approved the reparations agreement by the narrow margin of 61-50 [AM Note: the
Knesset has 120 members total -- with 9 absentions, the decision was made with
a one-vote margin] (Telushkin p. 373).

Telushkin continues his exploration of the controvery that surrounded the 1952
Knesset vote in his 1994 book _Jewish Wisdom_, published 1994 in New York also
by Morrow.

Telushkin quotes several Knesset members. He quotes, for one, Elimelekh
Rimalt, whose parents were killed by the Nazis, who was the first speaker in
the Knesset to respond to Ben-Gurion on the subject:

"My little son came to me and asked, 'How much shall we get for grandma and
grandpa.'" (quoted on p. 546 on _Jewish Wisdom_)

Telushkin quotes Menachem Begin from the Knesset floor, 1/7/52:

"We are prepared to do anything, anything to prevent this disgrace to Israel"
(quoted on p. 547)

And Begin again, after arrests of anti-reparation demonstrators:

"Today you arrested hundreds of [antireparation demonstrators]. Tomorrow you
may arrest thousands. No matter, they will go, they will sit in prison. We
will sit there with them. If necessary, we will be killed with them" (also on
p. 547 -- Telushkin notes that Begin was notoriously paranoid at this stage of
his political career -- he had learned his whole family had perished only six
years earlier)

But most telling of all -- and this is where Ingrid really screwed up -- is
all that all the quotes from the Knesset that Telushkin gives in _Jewish
Wisdom_ come from -- you guessed it -- Tom Segev's _The Seventh Million_;
which Telushkin calls "an extraordinary account of the Holocaust's enduring
impact on the Israeli mind." Frankly, you should probably skip Telushkin's
quotations of Segev entirely and read Segev's book yourselves and you'll see
just how you're being lied to.

Please note: this message is being CC'ed to Tom Segev so that he may be made
aware that he is being quoted far out of context by Ingrid Rimland, and
apparently also by Ernst Zundel's legal team.

Andrew Mathis

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