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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Not close inded!  Keren bullshits again
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT
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	Hey, Keren!  Where is your story about the Polish "spies" not getting
close this time?  

" The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers and a
boiler-room. The steam
generated in the boilers is led by means of pipes to the chambers. There
are terracota floors in
the chambers which become very slippery when wet ... All victims had to
strip off their clothes and
shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and
children first, were
driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to move
quickly were driven on by
rifle butts, by whipping and kicking...Many slipped and fell, the next
victims pressed forward and
stumbled over them. Small children were simply thrown inside. After
being filled up to capacity the
chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes
all was over. "
IMT XXXII - pp. 156-157. 

	
From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 14 18:09:08 PDT 1996
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Not close inded!  Keren bullshits again
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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
>wrote:

>>	Hey, Keren!  Where is your story about the Polish "spies" not getting
>>close this time?  
>>
>>" The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers and a
>>boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by means of pipes
>>to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the chambers which become
>>very slippery when wet ... All victims had to strip off their clothes and
>>shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and
>>children first, were driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too
>>weak to move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and kicking
>>...Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward and stumbled
>>over them. Small children were simply thrown inside. After being filled up
>>to capacity the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in.
>>In a few minutes all was over. "
>>IMT XXXII - pp. 156-157. 

>Since you believe quite rightly in the importance of context, perhaps
>you would be so kind as to provide some here. I have the named volume
>open to pp. 156-157, but I am sure that our readers would be very
>interested to know in your own words the source of this description
>and the context in which it appears.

>Certainly you would not wish to leave the impression that you did
>something so unoriginal as to copy this from a denier web page and
>believe it to be a true truth simply because it appeared on a denier
>web page.

>Is the quote from the red, green, or blue series?
>Is the quote evidence given in testimony, or is it a document?
>Does it form part of an indictment?
>To which defendant does the quote pertain?
>How much text has been replaced by the ellipsis?
>What does the replaced text say?
>Who said/wrote it?
>Did this person claim to have been an eyewitness?

>I know the answers to these questions. Do you?

	I do not care.  It is quite up to the holohugger standards for this
conference.  When the holohuggers start posting to the standards you are
implying should be used, then there is a cause to call me to that same
standard.  

	Until then, Keren's mythical Polish spies do not explain the lies about
steaming people to death.  Of course, if Keren is willing to post to
your standards that will be a different matter.  So far he has simply
invented his Polish spies.  

	BTW:  IF in fact you do know the answers you would be doing the subject
a great service were you to post the answers.  Why do you not?  Would
you rather play games?  

	How about a wild guess.  You will claim my failure to provide the
answers will mean the passage does not exist.  You will harp upon this
until the passage is forgotten.  


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