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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
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Subject: Of mice and men and women who scare the shit out of Janet Reno
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To: Matt Giwer 
From: lindat@iquest.net (Linda Thompson)
Subject: A little help

Here's what I just sent out over AEN and a few extras to your favorite
person:

Please spread far and wide.

The below message concerns an ongoing harassment campaign being
conducted by
a group that calls itself the "Nizkor Project."  They are are
self-styled
internet group that claims to identify "nazis and terrorists" on the
internet.  

Sound familiar?  The head of it is a guy named Ken McVay, who is an
American
citizen, living in Canada.  

[By the way, when KNOWN U.S. Customs Employee/Internet/Fidonet Web
terrorizor Allen Taylor crashed MCMsys.com with email bombs, he had
help
>from  a friend in Canada.  Was it McVay?  Are we one to the spook trail
here,
eh?)

McVay's pages contain "biographical" information on "nazis" and when I
first
looked at the page, only about 3 weeks ago, there were *very* few
listings
and the people who were listed, were *not* "nazis" or anything of the
sort.
They were people who had been exposing the role of, say, the military
and
U.S. government  in terrorizing the U.S. and in drug trafficking and
the
role of the  ADL in subverting the Constitutional Republic of the
United
States through terrorism while using the FALSE COVER of claiming to
fight
anti-semitism and racism.

I told McVay I was going to sue him.  Immediately afterwards, he put
up a
whole lot *more* files, mostly about nazis from WWII, to make it look
like
he actually had something in his skimpy "biographical" area.  He still
left
the files about me up and posted my messages to him to beef up his
area.

Matt Giwer was another of the people listed on his few pages a couple
of
weeks ago.  

I told Matt that when I looked up McVay, that McVay turned up ONLY in
the
military WHOIS listings. Curious, eh?

Since then, Matt has been demanding to know the connection to the U.S.
military (DOD) and this supposedly "not for profit" group (that is NOT
registered as a not-for-profit and uses a drop box in Texas and a
religious
front group in Canada to get its money).

Not at all surprising, most of the information on "Nizkor" is from the
ADL.  

Matt has been getting email bombs since he started asking questions.
Here's
Matt's letter:

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All 256 are not identical save in one feature, they contain the result
of a WHOIS query of milnet of kmcvay.  

	Lets see now, someone at gryn.org has threatened "This is just the
start, Matt" when the only thing in common is the result of the whois
query.  And not of the internic information but of the milnet
information.  

	Why is that, folks?  What is there about the milnet information that
draws such a response from a person completely unconnected with Nizkor
or kmcvay?  Or is there some sort of connection?  

	What is the interest of someone at gryn.org in sending mail bombs
regarding the only common information of kmcvay's DOD connection?  Is
there some sort of connection with the DOD for the both of them?  

	And what is "nonsense" about what the DOD whois server contains?  

	If it is erroneous then someone should get the information corrected.


	Or has is already been "corrected" as in deleted and is no longer
"true?"  And if deleted, why?  

	That is it.  It appears the mail bomb was sent to notify me that the
information had been deleted from nic.ddn.mil.  Now it can be claimed
to be untrue even though I am not the only one to have looked it up
and know it was there.  I am far from the only one who looked it up.  

	It is interesting to know that 1B Management Systems Limited still
exists.  But why would gryn.org be the one to send the "message"?  It
is all so "mafiosa-like."  Do I get a fish wrapped in newspaper next?
No, that is an after the fact message.  

	And why is it so important to hide that information?  Why is it so
important to hide the Nizkor connection to the US DOD via kmcvay?
What is wrong with a person's employment?  The connection was likely
meaningless until tonight's mail bomb.  
	
	Before the mailbomb it was just a matter of curiousity and would
certainly have corrected the "gas station jockey" image of kmcvay.
Now it appears to be something in need of hiding.  Before, idle
speculation, after, intensive curiosity.  What a fool thing to have
done.  

	And if it is not true, why does kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA still work?
Try it quick before it is changed.  Just say "Hi!" and if you get a
response or not, note that your mail is not rejected as undeliverable.
Now why would a person be removed from the DOD whois list but still
have an account with the defense contractor?  

	What is the point of this bit of amateurishness?  An obvious
suggestion is that the public record needs be hidden but it will take
a while for all of the business contacts to get the new email address
so that he can vanish completely from 1B Systems Management Limited.  

	What is going on here? and why?  

	Lets put it all together.  I first hear of the information with the
suggestion of a CIA connection.  Then someone at an org (gryn.org)
owned by a person who has at least claimed past intelligence
connections (Mossad) sends me a mail bomb as a clever way of telling
me the entry has been deleted from the DOD list.  

	I presume this will incite gryn.org to send another mail bomb which
will be duly reported here to keep the subject alive.  You would think
people would be bright enough to know that if things are ignored they
die out quickly and no one pays attention.  The way it is going, the
objective appears to be to keep this issue alive as long as possible.


	After all, the mail bomb just gave it new life.  

	This gets curiouser and curiouser.  

	Is it any more interesting than this?  

=====

Yin, Alec (AY42)
   American Stock Exchange
   86 Trinity Place
   NY, NY 10006
    

   (212) 306-8908

   alec@AMEX.COM


   Record last updated on 02-Apr-96.

Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD
Information.
All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in
the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET.

=====

	If so, why?  Is anyone really surprised that the American Stock
Exchange works through the US DOD?  It is a matter of national
security is it not?  

===============

	The full record.

===

	Whois Ken McVay?

===

McVay, Kenneth (KM1343)                kmcvay@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
   462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
   Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
   CA
   1-604-382-0615

   Record last updated on 18-Jul-96.

The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Information
(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.

=====

	The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between 17 July
1996 and 19 August 1996.  However, as of 19 August 1996 the email
address still worked.  It was originally captured on 17 July 1996.  

===

McVay, Ken (KM214)
   1B Systems Management Limited
   5-1601 Bowen Road
   Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7
   CA

   (604) 758-2499

   kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA


   Record last updated on 02-Apr-96.

Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD
Information.
All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in
the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET.

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From: Spankmeister@f98.n12.z1.gryn.org (Spankmeister)
Date: 19 Aug 96 21:08:52 -0500
Subject: Questions about Nizkor
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Well, since you like repeating nonsense, I thought that I'd oblige
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Original message:

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Date: Mon Aug 19 '96, 06:10:48
Attr: kil 
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com, (1:12/98.0)
To  : All, (1:12/98.0)
Subj: Questions about Nizkor
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
@Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Questions about Nizkor
@Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:10:48 GMT
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On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:21:09 GMT, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>   yvelinec@aol.com (Yvelinec) writes:
>>>  Can you tell me where the name Nizkor come from, when this project
started
>>>  and who started it?
>>>  
>>>  Thank you for your help,
>>>  Yveline
>>>  
>>>>>>
>>	The answer to your questions can be found at the following site:
>>
>>	http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca

>Or even better: http://www.nizkor.org both work.


	So does this.

McVay, Ken (KM214)
   1B Systems Management Limited
   5-1601 Bowen Road
   Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7
   CA

   (604) 758-2499

   kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA


   Record last updated on 02-Apr-96.

Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD
Information.
All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in
the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET.

=====

	It is all public information that HE CHOSE to made available.  Sorry
about that.  

	Now what does a gas pump jockey have to do with the US DOD?  



--
| Fidonet:  Spankmeister 1:12/98
| Internet: Spankmeister@f98.n12.z1.gryn.org




Kind regards,

********************  V  ***************************
       DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
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Linda Thompson

Dr. Linda Thompson
American Justice Federation
Internet:  lindat@iquest.net

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       Remember Waco.  Remember Oklahoma.
             The Murderers are still free and
                   running OUR country. 
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                  PATRIOT and PROUD.
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Patriot. n. a person who loves his native country and will do all he
can for it.

The New Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English
Language, 1991 Deluxe Encyclopedic Edition.

The next time you see the media whores claim someone is
a "self-styled patriot" tell them that is redundant and they
are showing their ignorance.

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