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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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On 24 May 1998 04:55:11 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
wrote:

>[Follow-ups set]

>1943
>----

>Josef Mengele, a physician and SS officer,
>arrives in Auschwitz after being promoted to the position
>of Hauptsturmfuehrer (captain). Soon after his arrival,
>he begins pseudoscientific experiments, working in
>conjunction with German geneticist Otmar von Verschuer
>under the sponsorship of the German Research Foundation.
>By November 1944 Mengele will have participated in at
>least seventy-four "selections," choosing who among the
>Jews arriving at Auschwitz shall live and who shall die, and will
>conduct genetic experiments on twins. (USHMM 1993, 34)

	Israelis torture more innocent Muslims than that every month for
the sexual pleasure of it. In comparison, a piker. 

>1944
>----

>Eichmann's office in Budapest reports that 116,000 Hungarian
>Jews have already been deported, with another 200,00
>awaiting transport, mostly in Carpatho-Ruthenia and
>Transylvania. Altogether, Eichmann's organization hopes to
>arrange for the deportation of about one million Jews by
>the end of the operation (Aktion), with only about eighty
>thousand able-bodied Jews to be left in Hungary to work
>for the Hungarian armaments industry. (USHMM 1994, 44)

>A transport of 859 prisoners arrives at Stutthof
>concentration camp from Pawiak prison in Warsaw. (Ibid.)

	Why does this fail to mention the Zionists who collaborated with
him? 

>                       Work Cited


>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993

>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994

	Sillly question. The reason is obvious. The official US
propaganda are of the Zionist movement. 

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On 24 May 1998 04:55:11 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
wrote:

>[Follow-ups set]
>
>1943
>----
>
>Josef Mengele, a physician and SS officer,
>arrives in Auschwitz after being promoted to the position
>of Hauptsturmfuehrer (captain). Soon after his arrival,
>he begins pseudoscientific experiments, working in
>conjunction with German geneticist Otmar von Verschuer
>under the sponsorship of the German Research Foundation.
>By November 1944 Mengele will have participated in at
>least seventy-four "selections," choosing who among the
>Jews arriving at Auschwitz shall live and who shall die, and will
>conduct genetic experiments on twins. (USHMM 1993, 34)
>
>1944
>----
>
>Eichmann's office in Budapest reports that 116,000 Hungarian
>Jews have already been deported, with another 200,00
>awaiting transport, mostly in Carpatho-Ruthenia and
>Transylvania. Altogether, Eichmann's organization hopes to
>arrange for the deportation of about one million Jews by
>the end of the operation (Aktion), with only about eighty
>thousand able-bodied Jews to be left in Hungary to work
>for the Hungarian armaments industry. (USHMM 1994, 44)
>
>A transport of 859 prisoners arrives at Stutthof
>concentration camp from Pawiak prison in Warsaw. (Ibid.)
>
>
>                       Work Cited
>                            
>
>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993
>
>                              
>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>--
>The Nizkor Project-----------------------http://www.nizkor.org
>Ken McVay, Director.             http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay
>Like the Blues?       http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay/blues.html
>       Nizkor Survey: http://www.nizkor.org/survey/

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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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Subject: Re: Fergus McClellan -- Friend to Anti-Semites
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On 24 May 98 02:26:49 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  I have never knowingly met an anti-Semite. And, I was not asked that
>>  question previously.

>	Not even the criminal Giwer?

	Not even the liar yawen? 

>>  You are using the Witchcraft trials/Unamerican Activities Committee
>>  technique, and everyone knows what a dishonest travesty of justice
>>  they were.

>	No.  I'm just noting your associations.

	The punch line is, a good place to start. 

>>  And, you have been told before, your associating me with Scotland, as
>>  well as showing an obsession with "race" (which looks like racism to
>>  me) is probably illegal under the race relations laws of Britain, as
>>  well as being woefully inaccurate and showing you to be a fool.

>	Only by you.  And you are ignorant as pigshit.

	Beats a get rich quick predator on the internet. 

>>  >	And you lied about someone and said that it really didn't matter to you.

>>  Next, I suppose, you will change the name of the thread again and
>>  again, so that people can't follow what is being said - or see what
>>  you are removing because you don't want it seen. That is your usual
>>  method. 

>	Go fuck yourself, Fergus.

	Go torture Muslims with the rest of your buddies. 

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On 24 May 98 02:28:55 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  >>  Insults are not a suitable response Chuck, but not unexpected. Your
>>  >>  question was silly.

>>  >	To you they are.  I'll give you a hint, Shame, people don't like lies told about 
>>  >them.  

>>  That is probably why so many people seem to detest you then.

>	You mean you and your pals, the criminal Giwer and the clone of the NA, a 
>violent neo-nazi group, detest me.

	Why do you continue to lie? You are an attorney, I forgot. A
professional liar. 

>	Oh.  I'm hurt.

	Just have another Bris? 

>	Go fuck yourself, Fergus.

	At least theoretically possible for him but not for you any
longer. 

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On Sun, 24 May 1998 06:42:42 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

># We have already seen how the tales of mass cremation
># over wood pyres is contrary to the laws of physics (Laws
># of nature deny Holocaust).

>Tommy Moran keeps claiming that the method used for burning
>corpses in the Sobibor death camp is "impossible".

>If you'll look at the photos taken during the burning of
>the corpses at Dresden, after the aerial attack on the city,
>you will notice that it is *exactly* the same method used
>in Sobibor.

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/dresden/images/ 
>dresden-pyre-01.jpg, dresden-pyre-02.jpg

>Poor old Tommy. Now he has to claim that Dresden's bombing is 
>also a "hoax". 

	Didn't the rabbi tell you to shut up? 

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On Sun, 24 May 1998 23:22:21 GMT, whorning@pipeline.com (Walt Horning)
wrote:

>My father was in the Army in WW II. He saw the corses, the chambers,
>the "books", and I have his photos. No one can tell me it did not
>happen.

	Since today all the gas chambers are in Poland and since Poland
was liberated by the Russians, the only way your father could have
seen gas chambers is if he was in the Russian Army. Is that correct? 

	I need to know this so I can update niz-kor's archives on the
matter. Care to scan in his pictures and email them? 

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On 25 May 1998 02:03:56 GMT, "The Shoe" 
wrote:

>Tonight I watched the Memorial Day program from Washington, D.C. I heard
>Charles Duerning, who was awarded a silver star and three purple hearts for
>gallantry in WW2, weep as he described his experience liberating one of the
>death camps. The camera then swept to a group of gentlemen who have formed
>a death camp liberation association. Who should I believe? 

	Since the USHMM and Yad Vashem BOTH say the only gas chambers
were in areas liberated by the Russians, then clearly you should only
believe them if they were in the Russian army. If they were in the US
Army then clearly they should get together and correct both of the
above organizations. 

	I certainly would not like to take sides in the issue, but
clearly since they were never in a position to have ever liberated a
"death camp" I would certainly not believe them. Of course if you wish
to call all the camps death camps instead of meaning camps with gas
chambers you can certainly believe them. 

	Equally you can call the German Army the American Army and say
they killed Americans. But changing the definition to salvage the
claim is not honest even though it is Kosher. 

>Brave and good
>men like these or yellow slimey slugs with no back bone, no sensitivity
>like Tom Moran or whatever his name is. Is he just a harmless little idiot
>so racked by hate that he can look at the truth and deny it? I think not. I
>think he is a hurtful person who preaches his "no holocaust" lie to hurt
>the people he hates. 

	No GAS CHAMBERS. Holocaust it merely a name. It certainly
includes no gas chambers no matter what you redefine holocaust to
mean. 

>Who does he hate? All decent people, that's who he
>hates. He posts articles purportedly written by experts but more likely
>written himself and presented deceitfully under a phony name. It is
>refreshing to know that nobody reads his filth but instead, knowing already
>what lies he has told, only responds to his central LIE. He shouts his lies
>from the rooftops, trying to sound sophisticated and open minded. He is
>evil. A slimey yellow slug who crawls on his belly through the cesspool of
>lies. I spit on him.

	Why you believe in gas chambers when they have all been
discredited is your business. I do not attempt to explain you. 

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Subject: Re: Photograph: Dr. Klein Surveys a Mass Grave in Belsen Camp
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On Sat, 23 May 1998 16:44:24 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/klein.fritz/images/
>## klein-01.jpg
>##
>## Obersturmfuehrer Fritz Klein, SS doctor, surveys the landscape
>## of death in Belsen concentration camp.

># Belsen was in Germany. The Holocaust dependents have had to
># acquiesce to the German announcement that there were no
># extermination camps in Germany.

>But the people in the photo are dead, Tommy.

	Of what cause? Of what nationality/religion? When did they die?
What in the picture supports the caption? 

	What does that have to do with the fact that Yad Vashem, the
USHMM and Nizkor all agree there were no extermination camps in
Germany? 

># Mr.Keren would have the reader believe this photo shows a shot
># of a German surveying the mass grave of extermination victims
># when in fact they would have been basically typhus victims that
># died after the Germans were unable to supply the camp with the
># usual life sustaining vitals.

>They could, Tommy, but they didn't want to. You see, as early
>as 1942, your Nazi heroes had stated - very explicitly - that
>they are not going to waste food on the Jews:

>In August 24, 1942, the Governor of Nazi-occupied Poland,
>Hans Frank, said the following in a Cabinet session:

>  "That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should
>  be noted only marginally".

>Frank was reinforcing what Naumenn, President of the Main
>Department for Food and Agriculture, said before:

>   "The feeding of a Jewish population, estimated heretofore
>   at 1.5 million, drops off to an estimated total of 300,000
>   Jews, who still work for German interests as craftsmen or
>   otherwise. For these the Jewish rations, including certain
>   special allotments which have proved necessary for the
>   maintenance of working capacity, will be retained. The other
>   Jews, a total of 1.2 million, will no longer be provided
>   with foodstuffs".

>(See: "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Washington, U.S Govt.
>Print.  Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 893-902).

	What is the connection between this 1942 event and a 1945
picture? 

	I would certainly like to have evidence of 1.2 million starvation
deaths in September 1942. Would you forward that to me? 

	It is intersting that no one has documented those starvation
deaths in that month. 

># Doctor Klein was probably forced to stand among the victims by
># the Allied captors for the photo.

>The people are still dead, Tommy. Your Nazi heroes murdered them.

	What does a picture in 1945 (maybe, no way to tell) have to do
with all those starvation deaths in 1942? 

># Camps in Germany are not part of the Holocaust story of mass
># exterminations.

>The people are still dead, Tommy. Your Nazi heroes murdered them.

	What is the connection between a heretofore unknown 1942 mass
starvation and a 1945 picture? 



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On Wed, 20 May 1998 12:52:06 -0400, "Anthony Sabatini"
 wrote:

>The last straw came this morning when the little coward who's been crank
>calling my house for at least a week or so finally managed to reach me. Up
>until that time, he's been hanging up on whoever answered the phone. The
>would-be little Nazi-hunter's entire message consisted of: "You anti-Semitic
>fuck!" Wow. I'm now officially quaking in my Nike Airs (tm). Promise.

	One of the one's who calls me regularly claims to be Yale
Eideken. I don't know what to make of that. 



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On 21 May 1998 22:20:08 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>	Posting other peoples' addresses is unethical whether it's Matt Giwer
>posting Ken Mc Vay's address* 

	Out of curiosity, who started that lie? 

>*Yes, I know Giwer posted the wrong address, but it was the first example to
>come to mind

	Who started that lie? 



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On Wed, 20 May 1998 13:41:06 GMT, mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>NAZIFINDER@REVENGE.COM (NAZI FINDER) wrote:
>
>This is not a very good idea nor a very ethical thing to do. The way
>to approach these guys is to show them to be the fools they are. Where
>they reside isn't of any merit. I dislike this as much as I dislike
>Matt Giwer posting the addresses of those he doesn't like. 

	Who started that lie? 



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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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Subject: Re: SABATINI'S ADDRESS
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On Thu, 21 May 1998 12:54:11 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>I must agree with Brian (save for the fact that I cannot associate
>Sabatini with any idea). True, I cannot think of one good word to 
>say about Sabatini; he's a racist scumbag, 

	80% of Israeli jews identify themselves as racist scumbags. Why
would you find that a problem? That is an awful lot of jewish racist
scumbags. It should be very good company. 



From El Manuel Synagogue Mon May 25 05:57:23 EDT 1998
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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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On 24 May 98 02:36:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  catamont@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
>
>>  >I am in complete agreement, Dr. Keren. Posting personal information is
>>  >completely inappropriate. And not very nice either.
>  
>>  Dead right Sara, a disgraceful thing for anyone to do, to anyone,
>>  ever. Unless, I suppose, the person had done it them personally in the
>>  past. I would say it is inexcusable at any other time. 
>>  As others have said so ably, it shows that this "Nazi finder" was
>>  unable to debate.
>
>	Of course, when the criminal Giwer did it day after day, what was the 
>Shame of Scotland's response?

	Two lies in one sentence. But then what is expected from a
lawyer? 



From El Manuel Synagogue Mon May 25 05:57:24 EDT 1998
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On 23 May 98 01:38:05 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  John.Morris@x-nospam-x.UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote:
>
>>  >>In article <35636343.0@news3.enter.net>, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
>>  >>wrote:
>
>>  >>> >   NAZIFINDER@REVENGE.COM (NAZI FINDER) writes:
>>  >>> >  Anthony Sabatini
>
>>  >>>         This sucks.  This man might well have a family entirely
>>  >>unconnected to 
>>  >>> his bigotry.  Shit like this is designed not only to harass him, but to
>>  >>harass them.  By  doing this, you become the moral equivalent of the
>>  >>criminal Giwer and the stooges like "Tavish" and McClellan that support
>>  >>him.
>
>>  >>I absolutely agree. By publishing Teenie Weenie's address you potentially
>>  >>expose others to harassment (or worse) who had nothing to do with Teenie
>>  >>Weenie's behavior here. That is simply morally unnacceptable behavior no
>>  >>different, in essense, to that of deniers like Teenie Weenie, "Tavish,"
>>  >>Giver, McClellan et al.
>
>>  >Agreed. Anthony's behavior here is to be dealt with here.
>
>>  >>So, NAZI FINDER, it appears you're an asshole not much different than the
>>  >>deniers you hate. Fuck off. 
>
>>  >And like them he, too, is an anonymous coward.
> 
>>  Thanks a lot! Since when am I, or indeed is Anthony, or Matt Giwer any
>>  more anonymous than anyone else posting in AR? As I said to someone
>>  ages ago, (not you), I can give lots of proof that I am who I say I
>>  am. 
>
>	When you and the criminal Giwer hatched a plan to "destroy" this 
>newsgroup by flooding it with 35 megabytes of material.

	Lawyers certainly are gratuitous liars. 



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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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On 24 May 98 23:31:32 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  >>  Thanks a lot! Since when am I, or indeed is Anthony, or Matt Giwer any
>>  >>  more anonymous than anyone else posting in AR? As I said to someone
>>  >>  ages ago, (not you), I can give lots of proof that I am who I say I
>>  >>  am. 
>
>>  >	When you and the criminal Giwer hatched a plan to "destroy" this 
>>  >newsgroup by flooding it with 35 megabytes of material.
>  
>>  Lying again so soon criminal? Fact. I did not "hatch" any plan to
>>  "destroy" this newsgroup, either by flooding it with 35 megs of
>>  material, or in any other way.
>
>	It was proposed to by the criminal Giwer.  You went along with by agreeing to 
>be part of the plan and participating under various pseudonyms.

	Why do you lawyers lie so? 



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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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Subject: Re: SABATINI'S ADDRESS
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On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:16:21 GMT, electriczen@nospam.bigfoot.com
(Electric Zen) wrote:

>On Fri, 22 May 1998 23:56:50 GMT, redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk
>(Fergus McClelland) wrote:

>>Thanks a lot! Since when am I, or indeed is Anthony, or Matt Giwer any
>>more anonymous than anyone else posting in AR? As I said to someone
>>ages ago, (not you), I can give lots of proof that I am who I say I
>>am. 
>
>Who cares.
>
>What I would like to now is why it is that only the 'Nizkorites' have
>condemned the posting of Anthony's address and phone number? Why has
>your side of the debate been so strangely quiet over this outrage?

	When the other side shows it true colors and then lies about the
other side doing, why discourage them? 

	The holocaustians are all sniveling cowards any way. They huff
and puff and bluster, threaten, harrass, but in fact they hide, they
whine, they use fake IPs as this that thing while attached to idirect.


	Of course it is interesting that  that he/she/it thinks it can
hide so easily. idirect has been implicated in several similar
threats. It is surprising they are continuing to let it happen. 



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On 24 May 98 23:44:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  electriczen@nospam.bigfoot.com (Electric Zen) wrote:
>
>>  >>Thanks a lot! Since when am I, or indeed is Anthony, or Matt Giwer any
>>  >>more anonymous than anyone else posting in AR? As I said to someone
>>  >>ages ago, (not you), I can give lots of proof that I am who I say I
>>  >>am. 
>
>>  >Who cares.
>  
>>  Sure, that's right, who cares about accuracy?
>
>	the Shame of Scotland seems to forget that, as part of a plot to destroy this 
>newgroup, he posted under several aliases.
>
>
>>  >What I would like to now is why it is that only the 'Nizkorites' have
>>  >condemned the posting of Anthony's address and phone number? Why has
>>  >your side of the debate been so strangely quiet over this outrage?
>  
>>  What an interesting comment. Firstly you are claiming that there is a
>>  group of people whom you recognise and give the title "Nizkorites",
>>  though I am regularly assured that there is no such thing. I am not
>>  sure that it could really be said that I have a "side" in the debate,
>>  (I consider I believe and condemn far too much to be ascribed the
>>  title denier), but, leaving that aside for the moment, I would imagine
>>  that as it was a "Nazi hunter" who did the dirty dead, it is rather
>>  incumbent on other "Nazi hunters" to do the condemnation - don't you?
>
>	Assuming, of course, that the "Nazi Hunter" post was not a fraud.  Do a 
>dejanews check under that name.
>
>>  Having said that, I commend the wording of many of the condemnations
>>  and notice the cynical point scoring by others. I also think that the
>>  skeptical side of the argument expect such things to be done to them,
>>  it is not the first time.
>
>	What utter bullshit.
>
>> There was the incident when a posting
>>  elsewhere from the e-mail address of one poster was used in this group
>>  to try to smear him; the same thing was done to me; a poster's address
>>  was given at least once that I saw; another poster's assumed real name
>>  has been posted hundreds of times, including in titles, a poster's
>>  father was phoned;
>
>	Here we have the standard technique of the Shame of Scotland.  He posts 
>the distorted accusations of the criminal Giwer as facts.  He overlooks a few of the 
>criminal Giwer's proven activities including:
>
>	1.  posting over 150 forged messages;
>
>	2.  mailbombing Nizkor:
>
>	3.  harassing people by e-mail;
>
>	4.  posting under a variety of phony names;
>
>	5.  attempted extortion against Nizkor.

	The lying little creep is at it again. 

	You lie so. Is there any explanation other than you being
professional liar? 


>	Of course, the Shame's reaction was hardly that of condemnation.  His 
>response was to defend the criminal Giwer and agree to join in another of his dubious 
>schemes.
>
>	Further when the "Tavish" posted that "Jeffrey G. Brown" was a particular 
>person and called him a pederast based on posts he knew were forged, the Shame's 
>response was to defend "Tavish."
>
>	The hypocrisy is appalling.
>
>>  and always there is the sneering at false names
>>  used by posters who are not "Nizkorites" without any sneering at the
>>  false names used by some who are "Nizkorites". 
>
>	More hypocrisy from the Shame.  
>
>	But then, he is the one who used false names when he participated in the 
>criminal Giwer's scheme to "destroy" this newsgroup.
>
>	Hypocrisy seems to be a way of life with him.
>
>	Go fuck yourself, Fergus.
>
>	--YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
>



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From: kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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On 20 May 98 13:10:25 GMT, NAZIFINDER@REVENGE.COM (NAZI FINDER) wrote:

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	Not very bright when the logs will identify the sender now is it?


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>Anthony Sabatini
>2405 Rue Benjamin-Sulte
>Montreal, PQ
>Canada
>H3M 1R8
>(514)-745-0710
>
>His IP Provider is Total Net (514)-481-2585
>



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On 25 May 98 03:58:08 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kmcvay@niz-kor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) writes:

>>   wrote:

>>  >The last straw came this morning when the little coward who's been crank
>>  >calling my house for at least a week or so finally managed to reach me. Up
>>  >until that time, he's been hanging up on whoever answered the phone. The
>>  >would-be little Nazi-hunter's entire message consisted of: "You anti-Semitic
>>  >fuck!" Wow. I'm now officially quaking in my Nike Airs (tm). Promise.

>>  	One of the one's who calls me regularly claims to be Yale
>>  Eideken. I don't know what to make of that. 

>	That the criminal Giwer is lying again.  Look for a new ISP, criminal.

	What lie? That is what the caller said. I can't change that. I
really do not know what to make of it. 

	It appears to me there is only one way you could "know" it is a
lie. Should I take that as an admission? 



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On Wed, 20 May 1998 12:52:06 -0400, "Anthony Sabatini"
 wrote:

>The last straw came this morning when the little coward who's been crank
>calling my house for at least a week or so finally managed to reach me. Up
>until that time, he's been hanging up on whoever answered the phone. The
>would-be little Nazi-hunter's entire message consisted of: "You anti-Semitic
>fuck!" Wow. I'm now officially quaking in my Nike Airs (tm). Promise.

	One of the one's who calls me regularly claims to be Yale
Eideken. I don't know what to make of that. 

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