Here are some more Giwer lies. I wrote, in response to someone else, that our system at nizkor.almanac.bc.ca was purchased in 1995 (1994?), when -- and I chose my words carefully -- "when 486s weren't _quite_ so cheap as now." As I wrote those words, I pictured what Giwer or Moran or someone who wasn't choosy about the truth would do with them. I made sure to emphasize that I wasn't claiming 486s were expensive. I was careful to state it in such a way that no one would think I was saying they weren't cheap. I added underlining so my point wouldn't be missed. True to form, Giwer misquoted me anyway. Twice that I've found so far. In this first article, he asks rhetorically "486s weren't cheap?" and "who ripped you off?" He states that we paid "outrageous prices." In the second, he's claiming "they think a 486DX25 was expensive." More lies. So what else is new? - Jamie McCarthy What makes this all the more amusing is the fact that the 486 was donated - and that this fact had been published on the net at the time, and that this fact appears in some of the press reports of the period. I love watching these folks dig themselves into deep holes like this :-) - Ken McVay From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) Newsgroups: wpg.politics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.anything,can.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,can.general Subject: Re: The Nizkor Web Followup-To: alt.revisionism Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:58:28 -0400 Organization: Absence Software Lines: 40 Distribution: inet Message-ID:References: <4nus3o$flg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4q03kr$fh1@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <4q1ajl$bkk@liberator.concentric.net> <4q2gf0$rrn@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4q3bn2$kfk@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net Xref: news.voyager.net alt.politics.white-power:38061 alt.anything:667 can.politics:69876 talk.politics.misc:246770 alt.revisionism:48713 alt.censorship:66603 comp.org.eff.talk:33474 can.general:45119 atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote: > He's got a 486DX25 on a dedicated 28.8 line. Assuming that 'net access is > as plentiful in the frigid hinterlands as it is here in Georgia, and that > his 486 is a home-build, Ken's total cost -- setup plus one year's > operating expenses -- runs about US$2,000. And that's a generous estimate. Ah -- significantly more than that, actually. UnixWare alone set us back about $1000, I think. And we got it over a year ago, when 486s weren't _quite_ so cheap as now. We spent somewhat into five digits for the current setup. But, excepting the bandwidth, it's not a bad setup. :-) http://www.almanac.bc.ca/other-sites/correspondence/zuendelsite/cor-4.html > Doubt it. If he's serving 700+ pages/day over a 28.8 POTS line, he's > getting pretty close to optimal perfomance. He could use better bandwidth; > I don't know about ISDN availability in British Columbia, but it varies > widely within the U.S. We're serving 700+ _people_ per day. Average access per person is running about 4.5 pages, so roughly 3000 pages/day. Factor in non-HTML hits (home page GIFs, mostly) and all the other traffic we don't count (robots, webmasters) and we're well over 4000 hits/day. And that's not counting the FTP site! All in all we're shoving roughly a gig a month out that modem. We're way beyond optimal performance; we're into "creaking under the strain" performance. Never fear, though. Matt Giwer and Ron Schoedel alerted us (snort) to the fact that we have a bandwidth problem. Thanks to their eagle eyes, we've decided to do something about it. Don't worry, we'll figure out something. Posted/emailed; followups to a.r please. -- Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ jamie@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ Unless you specify otherwise, I assume pro-"revisionism" email to be in the public domain. I speak only for myself. From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Nizkor Web Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:35:11 GMT Organization: images incarnate Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4q9rtl$ij9@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <4nus3o$flg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4q03kr$fh1@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <4q1ajl$bkk@liberator.concentric.net> <4q2gf0$rrn@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4q3bn2$kfk@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tam-fl1-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 19 2:36:53 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote: >atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote: >> He's got a 486DX25 on a dedicated 28.8 line. Assuming that 'net access is >> as plentiful in the frigid hinterlands as it is here in Georgia, and that >> his 486 is a home-build, Ken's total cost -- setup plus one year's >> operating expenses -- runs about US$2,000. And that's a generous estimate. >Ah -- significantly more than that, actually. UnixWare alone set us >back about $1000, I think. And we got it over a year ago, when 486s >weren't _quite_ so cheap as now. We spent somewhat into five digits for >the current setup. A year ago 486s weren't cheap? Who ripped you off? A year ago it was hard to find a 25 anything but used. As for UnixWare, Linux works just fine. The CD-ROM release runs about $50. >Never fear, though. Matt Giwer and Ron Schoedel alerted us (snort) to >the fact that we have a bandwidth problem. Thanks to their eagle eyes, >we've decided to do something about it. Don't worry, we'll figure out >something. I imagine anyone who paid the outrageous prices you did would not know instinctively that there was a bandwidth problem. From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Newsgroups: wpg.politics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.anything,can.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,alt.censorship Subject: Re: McOyVay's childish games (http://www.alaska.net/~schoedel) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 05:01:30 GMT Organization: images incarnate Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4qam2k$gtn@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <4nus3o$flg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <1996May31.223855.24833@wpg.ramp.net> <4ood7g$ffp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4p3t13$5em@news.ios.com> <4p4kda$ffd@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4p511o$f0j@lal.interserv.net> <4prgia$2oh@news.ios.com> <4psu6n$2t6@liberator.concentric.net> <4ptqbr$hsq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4pvqn3$pbp@orb.direct.ca> <4q03kr$fh1@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <4q1ajl$bkk@liberator.concentric.net> <4q2r4v$kvm@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> <4q9fov$s66@liberator.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tam-fl1-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 20 12:03:16 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.voyager.net alt.politics.white-power:38443 alt.anything:829 can.politics:70291 talk.politics.misc:247645 alt.revisionism:49058 alt.censorship:66911 "Ronald C. Schoedel" wrote: >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote: >> Good sir, leave the technical knowledge to those who have it. You can >>get my website (www2.combase.com/~mgiwer) as fast as you can get >>cnn.com. >And mine as well. If Kenny wants to be taken seriously as an internet >resource, why does he not use a real ISP that has, like, a real net >connection? I do. Can't master FTP? >>Combase has a single T1 line. You can't get any less than a >>T1 line and call yourself an ISP. >> >> The best thing for them would be to be hosted on a decent ISP. >But that would cost money, and ya know, those gas pumpers just don't >make that much!!! Especially tight-wad jewish proselytes! >Rev. Ron >http://www.alaska.net/~schoedel - one of the fastest sites around! And according to the lastest post, they think a 486DX25 was expensive a year ago. What a bunch of newbies.
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