From mgiwer@combase.com Sun Mar 24 15:05:24 PST 1996
Article: 28136 of alt.revisionism
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From: mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Is Giwer a Troll?
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:50:19 GMT
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>  
>>  	I have no employer yout WEs can harass with lies about what I am
>>  posting.  The best you folks have found is my son to send your hate
>>  mail to.  I don't have to add an "read the fucking disclaimer" sig
>>  which must give you folks fits lacking a second way to shut me up.
>>  You Dahlman types are all alike.  Do not deal with a person who
>>  questions (which is all I have done) just shut him up.  
>>  	You pathetic, primative bastards are all alike.  
>>  
>>>>>
>	As far as I can tell no-one has tried to shut you up.  Why would I?  

	Dahlman tried to get my network access cut by complaining to my
service provider.  So much your no one.  

>Your writings amply demonstrate that you are a foul mouthed liar who has the 
>arrogance to write about matters you understand dimly if at all.  As your 
>knowledge of the Holocaust has been exposed as marginal and inaccurate you 
>have turned the discussion to your childish behavior.  

	And every time I post to anyone an description of the pictures of
Kremas II and III it is deleted from the response with at best a
negative comment and not addressed.  To far there has been only one
challenge to it which is clearly at variance with the relative size of
objects in the picture.  And we still have the "lone chimney"
advocates despite the physics and engineering impossibilities.  
	So what is your point about what I do not understand?  Where did the
"collected the human fat from the pits" advocates go after a minor bit
of review of that story?  And I remind you I first heard that story
when there was an elaborate mechanical collection and pumping system
for that fat.  
	How about that grossly detailed explanation of the determination of
what length to harvest human hair after I posted the obvious answer
that short to no hair is a louse and therefore typhus control method?
Where did the human hair story vanish to?	
	So you appear to be telling me I do not know the stories when I know
them quite well.  I know them well enough to know what is wrong with
them and to have people delete what is wrong with them so "no one else
reads it" as one person here said.

Although you complain 
>about "a libel" you have no compunction whatsoever about writing actionable 
>defamations of others.  Although you complain about "illiterates" you make no 
>effort to write clear English and frequently invent (and later defend) meaningless 
>neologisms.  Although you have made namt accusation about others it is clear 
>that every time you open your mouth you demonstrate your ignorance,  your 
>dishonesty, and your inability to engage in civilized discourse.

	I was not greeted with civilized discourse.  The first time I did not
accept a nonsense answer I was accused of being a neo-nazi.  That is
not civilized nor would I expect civilized behavior from primitive
tribesmen.

>	Sorry, Matty, I (and most of the people  who post here) want you front 
>and center, wriggling in the spotlight.  Every time you -- or a nutball like Moran  or 
>a nazi like Krieberg -- opens his mouth you are exposed for what you are.  The 
>only one here who has tried to intimidate anyone is named Matt Giwer.  The only 
>one who has tried to shut anybody up is, again, Matt Giwer.  There are pathetic, 
>primitive bastards around here.  The most notable is named Matt Giwer.

	You forgot to call me either a nazi or a neo-nazi like your fellow
holohuggers.  But seeing that you and Dahlman both feel intimidated,
just who is it on the radio that is after you?  I have not tried to
terminate anyone's access as have you Dahlman types.  

	And I do not expect any different response than what you are giving.
It is no different from the Pope refusing to look into Galileo's
telescope.  You have beliefs you have cherished from childhood and
they are deeply involved with your religious beliefs.  I am doing
nothing but directing your attention to the foolishness of your
beliefs and an emotional reaction is expected.  
	But you folks are the ones who put your religious beliefs up front for
discussion.  I am merely commenting upon them.  People will fight
tooth and nail to avoid changing what they "know" is true but has no
basis but faith.  
	You do need to admit to yourself that for you these stories are an
article of faith and that no amount of reason will dissuade you from
that faith until you realise that your only knowledge is faith.   You
should also realise that it is much akin to your faith in your god.  

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From mgiwer@combase.com Tue Mar 26 18:57:37 PST 1996
Article: 28306 of alt.revisionism
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From: mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Giwer a Troll?
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:08:49 GMT
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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <4j33fu$g0m@wi.combase.com>, mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> >Your writings amply demonstrate that you are a foul mouthed liar who has the 
>> >arrogance to write about matters you understand dimly if at all.  As your 
>> >knowledge of the Holocaust has been exposed as marginal and inaccurate you 
>> >have turned the discussion to your childish behavior.  
>> 
>>         And every time I post to anyone an description of the pictures of
>> Kremas II and III it is deleted from the response with at best a
>> negative comment and not addressed.  To far there has been only one
>> challenge to it which is clearly at variance with the relative size of
>> objects in the picture.  And we still have the "lone chimney"
>> advocates despite the physics and engineering impossibilities. 

>Giwer, why do you lie? I have responded many times to about these things.
>In each case I have shown where you are inccorect in your assertions. 

	I guess it did not arrive here.  Why don't you post it again?  Need
more copies of the originals?  

>> So what is your point about what I do not understand?  Where did the
>> "collected the human fat from the pits" advocates go after a minor bit
>> of review of that story? 

>And what "review" is this? 

	That there is no way to collect it, it does not magically burn only
the second time it is in a fire, little things like that.

>> And I remind you I first heard that story when there was an elaborate 
>> mechanical collection and pumping system for that fat. 

>Interesting. That's the first time I have ever heard that suggested.
>Perhaps this is another of your little fantasies like the "compressed-air
>tanks?" 

	I presume you posted a response to that too?  Please post it again.  I
was not the one claiming there were compressed air tanks.  I noted
someone claiming compressed air was used.  I pointed out you don't
have compressed air unless it is stored in a tank.  I merely noted the
absense of such tanks.  
 
>> How about that grossly detailed explanation of the determination of
>> what length to harvest human hair after I posted the obvious answer
>> that short to no hair is a louse and therefore typhus control method?
>> Where did the human hair story vanish to?    

>Giwer, why do you lie? I replied in full to that (As I had posted the memo
>in regards to the human hair cuttings some time ago). That fact is Giwer,
>head lice don't carry typhus. Body lice do. If you shaved every prisoner
>bald and kept them in those squalid conditions you'd still have typhus
>epidemics. 

	I can hear a louse thinking now.  "Oh shit, this is hair.  I better
head for the shirt.  How could I have been so stupid?"  
   
>> So you appear to be telling me I do not know the stories when I know
>> them quite well.  

>Actually, yes. You obviously know nothing, as you refuse to educate
>yourself, and simply subscribe to fantasies generated by your putrid
>little immagination. 

	Repost what you claim you did.  

>> I know them well enough to know what is wrong with them and to have people 
>> delete what is wrong with them so "no one else reads it" as one person here 
>> said.

>Giwer, why do you lie? People have responded many times to your insane
>drivel. It's a credit to their patience and dedication to carry on with a
>lying asshole like you. 

	Post them again.  

>> > Although you complain about "a libel" you have no compunction whatsoever 
>> > about writing actionable defamations of others.  Although you complain
>about 
>> > "illiterates" you make no effort to write clear English and frequently 
>> > invent (and later defend) meaningless neologisms.  Although you have made 
>> > namt accusation about others it is clear that every time you open your
>mouth 
>> > you demonstrate your ignorance,  your dishonesty, and your inability to 
>> > engage in civilized discourse.
>> 
>> I was not greeted with civilized discourse.  

>You don't deserve civil discourse from the way you hav behaved. 

	Anyone who questions, shout them down.  The enemy of my enemy is my
friend kind of thing no matter how wrong the friend is, never correct
him.  Why did it take a week before someone confirmed I was correct on
the Canadian military oath while the children pretended to know
otherwise?

>> The first time I did not accept a nonsense answer I was accused of being a 
>> neo-nazi.  That is not civilized nor would I expect civilized behavior from 
>> primitive tribesmen.

>Giwer, you have proven here in this forum, time and time again, that your
>are a bigoted anti-Semite who tries to rationalize the Nazi atrocities in
>the Holocaust. You deny the historical veracity of the Holocaust in all
>forms. So OF COURSE you're a neo-Nazi. In spirit, if not in fact. Who the
>fuck else would go to such perverted efforts to deny something which is so
>undeniably true? 

	Post the messages where I did that.  You can get them from the
neo-nizkor nazi site I am told.   

>> > Sorry, Matty, I (and most of the people  who post here) want you front 
>> > and center, wriggling in the spotlight.  Every time you -- or a
>nutball like > > Moran or a nazi like Krieberg -- opens his mouth you are
>exposed for what 
>> > you are. The only one here who has tried to intimidate anyone is named Matt 
>> > Giwer.  The only one who has tried to shut anybody up is, again, Matt
>Giwer.  
>> > There are pathetic,  primitive bastards around here.  The most notable is 
>> > named Matt Giwer.
>> 
>> You forgot to call me either a nazi or a neo-nazi like your fellow
>> holohuggers.  But seeing that you and Dahlman both feel intimidated,
>> just who is it on the radio that is after you?  I have not tried to
>> terminate anyone's access as have you Dahlman types.  
>> 
>> And I do not expect any different response than what you are giving.
>> It is no different from the Pope refusing to look into Galileo's
>> telescope.  You have beliefs you have cherished from childhood and
>> they are deeply involved with your religious beliefs.  I am doing
>> nothing but directing your attention to the foolishness of your
>> beliefs and an emotional reaction is expected.  

>Giwer, you are insane. Looney-tunes. Around the bend. Seriously. 

	You would know?

>You accuse, for instance, 96% of Americans for being "foolish" in their
>beliefs becasuse they understand that the Holocaust happened. 

	Last time I heard a survey on that something like 20% had never even
heard of it.  And from the holohuggers here, they can't even agree on
the details.

You example
>Galileo without realizing that he had emperical evidence to substantiate
>his ideas. Whatcha know- so does the Holocaust. PLENTY too. It is not only
>YOUR lack only actual evidence for your insane beliefs, but also YOUR
>failure to reconcile YOUR ideas with the existing evidence regarding the
>Holocaust. 

	Primarily I have been questioning what has been posted here.  You will
have to be more clear on what you are referring to.

>Basically, you are simply bullshitting people with "Elvis is alive"
>stories. (Better that you were, actually, as it seems more people in the
>U.S. believe Elvis is alive than the Holocaust didn't happen.) 

	And all of your never arrived posts demonstrated that of course.

>> But you folks are the ones who put your religious beliefs up front for
>> discussion.  

>And which religious beliefs are those? Seems odd that the moment YOU get
>YOUR nuts crushed, fair and square, in a debate you start whining about
>"religious beliefs." The only dogmatism I'm seeing is your's Giwer. All
>driven by your anti-Semitism and bigotry. And stupidity, of course. 

	Are you are ignorant of the subjects under discussion, how could you
judge?

>> I am merely commenting upon them.  

>Bullshit. You have been an insulting and craven asshole from the start. 

	You do not have to like me but you should stick to the facts rather
than attempting to demonstrate what you call civil discussion.

>> People will fight tooth and nail to avoid changing what they "know" is true 
>> but has no basis but faith.  

>Something YOU evidence every time you post.

	I merely point out problems with the stories.  But you know that.

>> You do need to admit to yourself that for you these stories are an
>> article of faith and that no amount of reason will dissuade you from
>> that faith until you realise that your only knowledge is faith.   

>Giwer, you're a broken record. You've contributed nothing constructive to
>any discussion here. Your're an ignorant asshole who sits around insulting
>people with your ignorance and lies. THAT is why people don't take you or
>what you say seriously. You don't deserve to be taken as being anything
>BUT an ignorant and anti-Semitic asshole. 

	As I noted, you are fighting tooth and nail to avoid facing it, sort
of like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.

>> You should also realise that it is much akin to your faith in your god. 

>And you should get a life, you piece of filth. 

	I am so impressed with what you think will work.  Feel better now?
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