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Note that, in his reply, Giwer doesn't deny making up Majdanek as a
diversion tactic, i.e., a lie, but rather returns to the original
subject, Krema I, with his old claims.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The obvious question (was: The full story of the reconstruction)
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## A few hours ago, he said it used to be a delousing chamber
## and that it has cyanide compounds on its outer walls. 

# The one at Krema I is the one at Auschwitz.  That is 
# the one that is a reconstruction.  I was referring to Madjdanik 
# as were you when this started.  

You're lying through your teeth. The thread went as follows:

1) You posted an article about the Krema I chamber being 
   a "fraud".

2) I responded by asking why, if it was a "fraud", it has
   cyanide traces on its walls.

3) You responded it has traces on its outside walls as well,
   since it was a delousing chamber.

4) I asked you for a source for your claim that it has traces
   on its outside walls.

Then you came up with the Maidanek gas chamber, which was not
mentioned in this thread at all up to this point.

But, there's nothing new about you lying through your teeth. So
let's get back to the original question: if the Krema I gas
chamber is a "fraud", why does it have cyanide traces on its
(inside) walls? 


-Danny Keren.

-- 
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer
suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.




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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The full story of the reconstruction
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:
# Daniel Keren writes:

## It is true that there are cyanide traces on the outside 
## walls of some of the delousing chambers. But you spoke 
## specifically of the gas chamber of Krema I, which was a 
## homicidal gas chamber.

# I was refering to Madjdanik (sp?).  

Liar. The thread, as you know very well, is about the gas
chamber in Krema I in Auschwitz. This is the one which the
original article you posted mentions. The "reconstruction"
this article discusses is of this gas chamber in Auschwitz,
not in Maidanek.

This is the one you claimed has cyanide traces on its outer walls. 
And you lied, as usual. Nothing new here.


-Danny Keren.






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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: The obvious question (was: The full story of the reconstruction)
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:
># dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>## A few hours ago, he said it used to be a delousing chamber
>## and that it has cyanide compounds on its outer walls. 

># The one at Krema I is the one at Auschwitz.  That is 
># the one that is a reconstruction.  I was referring to Madjdanik 
># as were you when this started.  

>You're lying through your teeth. The thread went as follows:

        Yes, Danny boy.  

>1) You posted an article about the Krema I chamber being 
>   a "fraud".

>2) I responded by asking why, if it was a "fraud", it has
>   cyanide traces on its walls.

>3) You responded it has traces on its outside walls as well,
>   since it was a delousing chamber.

>4) I asked you for a source for your claim that it has traces
>   on its outside walls.

>Then you came up with the Maidanek gas chamber, which was not
>mentioned in this thread at all up to this point.

>But, there's nothing new about you lying through your teeth. So
>let's get back to the original question: if the Krema I gas
>chamber is a "fraud", why does it have cyanide traces on its
>(inside) walls? 

        Krema I is a reconstruction based upon an artists conception.  No one in
their right mind would base anything upon something like that.  

>-Danny Keren.

>-- 
>In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
>to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.


========
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Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT


" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491. 






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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Nizkor:  Breakfast for Champions
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:
># Daniel Keren writes:

>## It is true that there are cyanide traces on the outside 
>## walls of some of the delousing chambers. But you spoke 
>## specifically of the gas chamber of Krema I, which was a 
>## homicidal gas chamber.

># I was refering to Madjdanik (sp?).  

>Liar. The thread, as you know very well, is about the gas
>chamber in Krema I in Auschwitz. This is the one which the
>original article you posted mentions. The "reconstruction"
>this article discusses is of this gas chamber in Auschwitz,
>not in Maidanek.

>This is the one you claimed has cyanide traces on its outer walls. 
>And you lied, as usual. Nothing new here.

        Now that you clowns have surrendered you have nothing else to do but
suck hind teat and play catch up.  

        Get over it.  Minus 163 IQ me did it.  

        Want to try again?  

        Nizkor:  Breakfast FOR Champions






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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Nizkor:  Breakfast for Champions
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

[To Matt Giwer]

## Liar. The thread, as you know very well, is about the gas
## chamber in Krema I in Auschwitz. This is the one which the
## original article you posted mentions. The "reconstruction"
## this article discusses is of this gas chamber in Auschwitz,
## not in Maidanek.
##
## This is the one you claimed has cyanide traces on its outer walls.
## And you lied, as usual. Nothing new here.

# Now that you clowns have surrendered you have nothing else
# to do but suck hind teat and play catch up.

Whatever this is supposed to mean, you did lie about the gas
chamber in Krema I having cyanide traces on its outside walls.

It was not just a random lie, or a mistake - you deliberately
lied so you could claim it was a delousing chamber.


-Danny Keren.

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