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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Vergasungskeller letter
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

[Regarding Pressac]

# How hard can it be to refute a pharmacist who does not
# know what a crystal is?

Pathologicl liar alert: Giwer has no proof whatsoever that
Pressac does not know what a crystal is. He relies on the
false assumption that Pressac claims Zyklon-B came in
crystals, but Pressac never said this.

Giwer lies once again. But he can't help it. It's a disease.
He just can't stop.


-Danny Keren.







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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: The Vergasungskeller letter
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

>[Regarding Pressac]

># How hard can it be to refute a pharmacist who does not
># know what a crystal is?

>Pathologicl liar alert: Giwer has no proof whatsoever that
>Pressac does not know what a crystal is. He relies on the
>false assumption that Pressac claims Zyklon-B came in
>crystals, but Pressac never said this.

>Giwer lies once again. But he can't help it. It's a disease.
>He just can't stop.

        Unless one of the Nizkorites was lying, his description of Zyklon B was
posted here with the description of the carrier as a crystal.  

        But then that still does not make him any more than a pharmacist,
certainly in the league with Leuchter on this subject.  







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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

# Unless one of the Nizkorites was lying, his description of
# Zyklon B was posted here with the description of the carrier 
# as a crystal.

Pressac puts the word "crystals" in double quotation marks. He
is, actually, discussing the fact that most people have no idea
about the technical side of the gassings, neither of Zyklon and
HCN gas.

This is obviously true. But then, most people - including 
historians - have no idea about how a bomb, or a V2 rocket,
or an A-bomb, work.


-Danny Keren.


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suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.







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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

># Unless one of the Nizkorites was lying, his description of
># Zyklon B was posted here with the description of the carrier 
># as a crystal.

>Pressac puts the word "crystals" in double quotation marks. He
>is, actually, discussing the fact that most people have no idea
>about the technical side of the gassings, neither of Zyklon and
>HCN gas.

>This is obviously true. But then, most people - including 
>historians - have no idea about how a bomb, or a V2 rocket,
>or an A-bomb, work.

        I agree that most people, including you and Pressac, are unqualifed to
comprehend the technical aspects of this subject.  What makes it so
amusing is that you folks think you are.  

        Try being honest with yourself and admit you are out of your depth.  

>-- 
>In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
>to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.

        Remember how it goes?

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Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT


" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491. 

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