Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Giwer's silica/Erco lieFollowup-To: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Date: 20 Jun 1996 22:41:02 -0700 Organization: The Nizkor Project - http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4qdcle$382@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> References: <4pn8q3$muu@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4prena$60j@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4pslkp$1d7@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4qa2oh$ooe@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically: > What is "Erco?" mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied: > That is what I asked you folks. Now if you can identify this as silica > gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source. Another lie from Matt Giwer. Erco was identified as silica gel back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would rather forget, no doubt)... From: hmazal@txdirect.net Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not have seen Zyklon-B in the form of "blue crystals." He has further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas adsorbed onto small pellets of "kitty litter." He also stated on one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue, which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake, he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue' color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the support material, which is highly unlikely. Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of silica gel. This last material appears to be a crystal although, of course it is not. [...] (From page 21 of Pressac's book. ***emphasis*** mine : HWM) 2) "Photo 20" "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this. For example, on January 30th, he called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him: > References? Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book. Look for 'Erco.' http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196 (line 8,125 [sic]) > As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as > an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was > blue. Are you saying they were lying? Or are you saying that you agree > with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses? Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times: blue cubes (Erco) In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many does that make? Are we up to thirty yet? Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame? -- Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? FTP Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn Subject: FYI: silica/Erco Sent: 6/21/96 2:16 AM From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) To: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Just to be sure you've seen this article: From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Giwer's silica/Erco lie Date: 20 Jun 1996 22:41:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4qdcle$382@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically: > What is "Erco?" mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied: > That is what I asked you folks. Now if you can identify this as silica > gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source. Another lie from Matt Giwer. Erco was identified as silica gel back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would rather forget, no doubt)... From: hmazal@txdirect.net Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not have seen Zyklon-B in the form of "blue crystals." He has further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas adsorbed onto small pellets of "kitty litter." He also stated on one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue, which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake, he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue' color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the support material, which is highly unlikely. Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of silica gel. This last material appears to be a crystal although, of course it is not. [...] (From page 21 of Pressac's book. ***emphasis*** mine : HWM) 2) "Photo 20" "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this. For example, on January 30th, he called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him: > References? Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book. Look for 'Erco.' http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196 (line 8,125 [sic]) > As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as > an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was > blue. Are you saying they were lying? Or are you saying that you agree > with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses? Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times: blue cubes (Erco) In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many does that make? Are we up to thirty yet? Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame? -- Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? FTP Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn Path: news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer Subject: Re: Giwer's silica/Erco lie Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:00:09 GMT Organization: images incarnate Lines: 106 Message-ID: <4qgcqs$h0@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <4pn8q3$muu@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4prena$60j@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4pslkp$1d7@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4qa2oh$ooe@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <4qdcle$382@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tam-fl8-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jun 22 2:02:20 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically: >> What is "Erco?" >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied: >> That is what I asked you folks. Now if you can identify this as silica >> gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source. > Another lie from Matt Giwer. Erco was identified as silica gel >back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would >rather forget, no doubt)... > From: hmazal@txdirect.net > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism > Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars... > Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT > > Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not > have seen Zyklon-B in the form of "blue crystals." He has > further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas > adsorbed onto small pellets of "kitty litter." He also stated on > one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue, > which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake, > he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue' > color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the > support material, which is highly unlikely. > > Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the > manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting > that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did > not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite > disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of > silica gel. This last material appears to be a crystal although, of > course it is not. > > [...] > > (From page 21 of Pressac's book. ***emphasis*** mine : HWM) > > 2) "Photo 20" > > "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small > ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...] >http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b >Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this. For example, on January 30th, he >called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him: > > References? Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book. Look for 'Erco.' >http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196 >(line 8,125 [sic]) >> As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as >> an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was >> blue. Are you saying they were lying? Or are you saying that you agree >> with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses? > Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and >by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times: > blue cubes (Erco) >In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many >does that make? Are we up to thirty yet? >Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame? >-- >Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? >FTP Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/ >http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn ======== Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: What a clever way to kill people From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT "PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot in the wall, approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with the back of his head against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In practice this arrangement did not prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8 days a new arrangement was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron plate was then slowly lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was being measured for height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in a corner of the room. " IMT VII - p. 377.
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