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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Giwer's silica/Erco lie 
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Date: 20 Jun 1996 22:41:02 -0700
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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically:

> What is "Erco?" 

mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied:

> That is what I asked you folks.  Now if you can identify this as silica
> gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source.  

 Another lie from Matt Giwer.  Erco was identified as silica gel
back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would
rather forget, no doubt)...

   From: hmazal@txdirect.net
   Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
   Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
   Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT
   
   Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not
   have seen Zyklon-B in the form of  "blue crystals."    He has
   further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas
   adsorbed onto small pellets of  "kitty litter."  He also stated on
   one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue,
   which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake,
   he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue'
   color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the
   support material, which is highly unlikely.
   
   Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the
   manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting
   that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did
   not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite
   disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of
   silica gel.  This last material appears to be a crystal although, of
   course it is not.    
   
   [...]
   
   (From page 21 of Pressac's book.  ***emphasis***   mine : HWM)
   
   2) "Photo 20"
      
      "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small
        ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...]

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b

Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this.  For example, on January 30th, he
called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him:

   > References?  Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book.  Look for 'Erco.'

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196
(line 8,125 [sic])

> As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as
> an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was
> blue.  Are you saying they were lying?  Or are you saying that you agree
> with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses?

 Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and
by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times:

   blue cubes (Erco)

In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many
does that make?  Are we up to thirty yet?

Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame?

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Subject:     FYI: silica/Erco
Sent:        6/21/96 2:16 AM
From:        jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
To:          mgiwer@ix.netcom.com

Just to be sure you've seen this article:


From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Giwer's silica/Erco lie 
Date: 20 Jun 1996 22:41:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4qdcle$382@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically:

> What is "Erco?"

mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied:

> That is what I asked you folks.  Now if you can identify this as silica
> gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source.

 Another lie from Matt Giwer.  Erco was identified as silica gel
back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would
rather forget, no doubt)...

   From: hmazal@txdirect.net
   Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
   Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
   Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT

   Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not
   have seen Zyklon-B in the form of  "blue crystals."    He has
   further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas
   adsorbed onto small pellets of  "kitty litter."  He also stated on
   one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue,
   which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake,
   he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue'
   color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the
   support material, which is highly unlikely.

   Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the
   manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting
   that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did
   not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite
   disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of
   silica gel.  This last material appears to be a crystal although, of
   course it is not.

   [...]

   (From page 21 of Pressac's book.  ***emphasis***   mine : HWM)

   2) "Photo 20"

      "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small
        ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...]

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b

Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this.  For example, on January 30th, he
called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him:

   > References?  Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book.  Look for 'Erco.'

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196
(line 8,125 [sic])

> As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as
> an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was
> blue.  Are you saying they were lying?  Or are you saying that you agree
> with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses?

 Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and
by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times:

   blue cubes (Erco)

In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many
does that make?  Are we up to thirty yet?

Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame?

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Subject: Re: Giwer's silica/Erco lie 
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically:

>> What is "Erco?" 

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied:

>> That is what I asked you folks.  Now if you can identify this as silica
>> gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source.  

> Another lie from Matt Giwer.  Erco was identified as silica gel
>back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would
>rather forget, no doubt)...

>   From: hmazal@txdirect.net
>   Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>   Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
>   Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT
>   
>   Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not
>   have seen Zyklon-B in the form of  "blue crystals."    He has
>   further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas
>   adsorbed onto small pellets of  "kitty litter."  He also stated on
>   one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue,
>   which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake,
>   he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue'
>   color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the
>   support material, which is highly unlikely.
>   
>   Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the
>   manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting
>   that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did
>   not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite
>   disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of
>   silica gel.  This last material appears to be a crystal although, of
>   course it is not.    
>   
>   [...]
>   
>   (From page 21 of Pressac's book.  ***emphasis***   mine : HWM)
>   
>   2) "Photo 20"
>      
>      "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small
>        ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...]

>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b

>Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this.  For example, on January 30th, he
>called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him:

>   > References?  Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book.  Look for 'Erco.'

>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196
>(line 8,125 [sic])

>> As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as
>> an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was
>> blue.  Are you saying they were lying?  Or are you saying that you agree
>> with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses?

> Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and
>by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times:

>   blue cubes (Erco)

>In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many
>does that make?  Are we up to thirty yet?

>Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame?

>-- 
>Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? 
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========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT


"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377. 

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