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   On June 15, 1996, you stated that:

      "In the process of burning the two bones most likely 
      to be left are the pelvis and the skull. (Giwer, Dem bones, 
      dem bones, dem dry bones)

   In response to subsequent questioning about the truth of this 
   statement, you have made some claims about the human skeleton 
   which, if true, would set the science of human skeletal biology 
   on its ear, bones and all.  

   In reply to a poster who asked you how many bones there are in 
   the human skull and pelvis, you wrote:

      "The skull, two in an adult, counting the jaw, discounting 
      the six small bones in the ear.  The pelvis, one.  (Giwer; 
      Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones;  June 16, 1996)

   When questioned about the accuracy of your answer by a poster 
   who pointed out that the skull consists of several bones, 
   you replied:

      "You are talking about the skull of a child before the 
      skull is fused.  (Giwer; Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry 
      bones; June 18, 1996)

   In response to this, another poster repeatedly asked you what 
   degree of closure (or fusion, if you prefer) there is in the 
   lambdoidal, sagittal and coronal sutures of the human cranium, 
   on average, by age 35.  She pointed out that these are the major 
   sutures of the cranial vault (skull), and cited human skeletal 
   anatomy texts in which the answer could be found.

   Your final statement related to this matter was reiteration of 
   your original claim:

      "The fact remains that the pelvis and the skull are the bones 
      most likely to survive any form of cremation and the skull is 
      never mentioned by those so-called eyewitnesses. (Giwer; Re: 
      Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones; June 22, 1996)

   As a qualified scientist perhaps you would answer the question 
   about when and how completely the different bones of the skull 
   fuse together.  We know that in normal burial, the adult skull 
   remains intact.  But we also know that the skull consists of a 
   number of bones, and that fusion of these different bones into 
   a single mass remains incomplete well into adulthood.  Please 
   address the question related to closure and then explain why you 
   think that after cremation, intact skulls should have been 
   recovered and easily identified among the ashes removed from 
   crematoria.

Finsten, Laura.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 18, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message-ID:
4q6blf$pq3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA.

Finsten, Laura.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, alt.politics.white-power, June
21, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Lets get this straight".  Message-ID:
4qe4bk$bnr@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA

Finsten, Laura.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 21, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message-ID:
4qe3dd$bnr@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA.

Finsten, Laura.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, alt.politics.white-power, June
22, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Lets get this straight".  Message-ID:
4qqh560$11d@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA.

Finsten, Laura.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 23, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message-ID:
4qklh3$ijo@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA.

Giwer, Matt.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 15, 1996.  Subject: "Dem bones,
dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:
4pt67e$b7e@sjx-Ixn3.ix.netcom.com.  Archived with
URL:  http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0696

Giwer, Matt.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 16, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:
4q09m3$a20@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com.  Archived with  URL:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0696

Giwer, Matt.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 18, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:
4q517c$glj@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com.  Archived with URL:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0696

Giwer, Matt.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 18, 1996.  Subject: "Re: Dem
bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:
4qhn1p$6eb@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com.  Archived with URL:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0696

Morrison, Keith.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 16, 1996.  Subject: "Re:
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:  31C39013.67CE@unb.ca.

Morrison, Keith.  Usenet  alt.revisionism, June 17, 1996.  Subject: "Re:
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones".  Message -ID:  31CSE87F.7786@unb.ca.

Steele, D. Gentry and Claud A. Bramblett 1988 "The Anatomy and Biology of
the Human Skeleton".  College Station: Texas A&M University. p.57.




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