In this article, Giwer responds to the article I posted to
news.admin.net-abuse.misc in which I quoted an article of his verbatim
and pointed out that he was admitting that his goal was to "make it
[alt.revisionism] useless" to anyone who rejects revisionist arguments.

Actually, he's responding to the email I sent him.  (Note that he says
something about email to root, which doesn't make sense -- I didn't Cc
his service provider's root, I just sent Giwer a courtesy copy in email.
Giwer was the one who sent a note to _my_ ISP's root, which I find a
little puzzling.  See:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/complaints-to-root
But I digress...)

Oh, and he calls me a "lying bastard son of a something or other," which
I invite him to try to prove :-)

Anyway, the point is that he doesn't deny being an admitted net abuser.
He simply says I'm "creating an issue where there is no issue."
Whatever that means.



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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: a typical example of a holohugger tactic
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:58:59 GMT
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        You will note that this lying bastard son of a something or other
insists upon creating an issue where there is no issue.

        And you will note that it contradicts the previous clain that complaints
to root would be unethical.

        Yes, holohuggers are unethical.  And, they lie.  But of course to
support the holocaust they have to be liars.  

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From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
To: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: A discrepency among exterminationists...
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References: 
<4qc18t$gh2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <31c991e2.567155@news.pacificnet.net>
<4qcq70$4uk@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
Organization: Absence Software

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following
newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.misc, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism)

Cross-posted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc;  emailed "FYI" to various
people whom Giwer calls "hijackers" and several pro-free-speech
acquaintances of mine, as well as Mr. Giwer himself of course.

Matt Giwer states proudly and publicly that his goal is to take
alt.revisionism and "make it useless" to everyone with whom he
disagrees.
He has so far tried to accomplish this chiefly through sheer posting
volume.  Quite an upstanding net.citizen is Mr. Giwer!

In article <4qcq70$4uk@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
wrote (quoted in its entirety):

: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
: 
: >dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) wrote:
: 
: >>Heck, since Dan Keren is using retreads, I may as well do the same:
: 
: >Dvd, I don't think there is any need to justify using material that
: >has been posted before. After all, the material is not posted out
here
: >just to convince the usual. It should be posted for the reasons of
: >informing any new comers to alt.rev.
: 
:         I think it is an outstanding policy to return floods of
reposts with
: floods of reposts.  
: 
:         After all the holohuggers think they own this conference.  It
is about
: time they learned better.  After all if a low IQ person such as I can
do
: what two of them now have said I have done, if everyone starts doing
: this we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
: revisionism.  
: 
:         That is, make it useless to the hijackers.  

Nizkor will continue to maintain an archive on this net abuser's tactics
and goals at:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
 jamie@voyager.net     Co-Webmaster of http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
 Unless you specify otherwise, I assume pro-"revisionism" email
 to be in the public domain.            I speak only for myself.

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