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From: "Richard J. Green" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: STANFORD U participating in email harrassment
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:41:48 -0700
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To: Tim Torgenrud 
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[This message sent to Tim Torgenrud, cc'ed to security@leland, and posted
in alt.revisionism]


Tim,

Thanks for giving such a rational response to Mr. Giwer.  

Here's the scoop:

I do not have a bot that returns any mention of me as mail to Mr. Giwer.
I have procmail set-up to return any mail sent from him to me unread
with the following notice.  Mr. Giwer is apparently not able to remember
whether he responded in e-mail or via posting news.

I have sent a couple of complaints to his provider concerning unabashed
spamming of alt.revisionism.  Mr. Giwer is not 100% rational; I suggest
that you don't get in an argument with him.  Decide the facts for yourself
and leave it at that.  I will, of course, respect any and all Stanford
policies.  I include below my .procmailrc and the message sent to Mr.
Giwer.  If he does not wish to receive this message, all he need do is
stop sending me e-mail.

Regards,

Rich Green

Here is the procmail message Mr. Giwer complains about.
---------
Mr. Giwer,

I have asked you not to send me private mail.
Your mail is being returned to you unread.
At present I am not sending a copy to root@ix.netcom.com, but I may
choose to do so in the future.

Rich Green

Mr. Giwer's ad hominem attacks should be understood as an admission that
he is wrong.  Experience has led me to believe that Mr. Giwer is not at
all interested in serious conversation.  While he can sound superficially
plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
respond except to make it clear that his arguments cannot be taken
seriously.  For detailed and documented evidence of this behaviour, 
please refer to

URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

      "Are you saying that I should have insulting the Jewish
      reputation for integrity by saying only Jew and thus
      implying that we is observant?"  --Matt Giwer
        (Translation into English not yet available.)
----------
Here is my .procmailrc:

SHELL=/bin/sh    # for other shells, this might need adjustment
VERBOSE=no 
LOGFILE=$HOME/from
          :5:
          ^FROM_DAEMON 
          !^From.*johnny
          !^From.*sage          
          !^From.*igor-request
          !^From.*nizkor
          daemon
          ::
          ^Subject:.*Error Condition Re:
          daemon
          ::
          ^From.*rjg
          self
          :                        
          ^From.*mgiwer               
           | (formail -krA"Precedence: junk" -a"X-from: Rich Green";\
                cat .giwer) | $SENDMAIL -t
           :
          ^From.*exd78295               
           | (formail -krA"Precedence: junk" -a"X-from: Rich Green";\
                cat .ad) | $SENDMAIL -t
          #!rjg@lyman.Stanford.EDU    # action
          #:
          #^Subject:.flame               
          #| (formail -krA"Precedence: junk" -a"X-from: Rich Green";\
          #    cat .giwer) | $SENDMAIL -t

          #use for vacation             
          #:A
          #!^From.*rjg
          #| (formail -krA"Precedence: junk" ;\
          #     cat .general) | $SENDMAIL -t
                :
                !^From.*rjg
                /usr/spool/mail/rjg
          
          



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Richard J. Green                                Dept. of Chemistry
rjg@lyman.Stanford.EDU                          Stanford University     
http://www-leland.Stanford.EDU/~redcloud        Stanford, CA 94305-5080
        "Remember the days of yore,
        "Learn the lessons of the generation that came before you."
                -Deuteronomy 32:7

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