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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Holacaust question...
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In a previous posting, Ken Mcvay (kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <568YPqq.constantiner@delphi.com> Constantine Rudakovsky  writes:
>>hey, krematoriums operate all over the world,so why not declare peoople who
>>operate them monstres like zionists did with nazis?
> 
> Perhaps Mr. Rudakovsky would like to document which of the world's
> crematoria have been used to support mass murder - then we can
> determine who the monsters are..
> 
> I recommend an ESL class...

You would.

It never ceases to amaze me the depths to which Exterminationists will
stoop in insulting a Revisionist, or even someone who doesn't
unquestioningly swallow their crap.

Les



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Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Media...
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In a previous posting, Sara aka Perrrfect (sschwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>> The Washington Post:  Katherine Meyer Graham (Jew)
>> The Wall Street Journal:  Peter R. Kann (Jew)
> 
>> NBC:  General Electric Co.:  "There has been no move by top G-E management
>>   to change the Jewish profile of NBC..."
> 
> General Electric is a JEWISH company? Where does this unattributed quote
> come from?

National Vanguard Books' "Who Rules America?"

>> ABC:  Thomas Murphy, who, although a Gentile, has made no move to replace
>>   the personnel brought in by Leonard Goldenson.
> 
> Thomas Murphy is not Jewish. Where does this information about Leonard
> Goldenson come from?

Same.

>> TNT:  What the F*CK is this?
> 
> Turner Network Television. Ted Turner is not Jewish
>
>> CBS:  Laurence Tisch (Jew)
> 
>> The *New York Times*:  Arthur Ochs Sulzberger. (Jew)
>> MTV:  Sumner Redstone. (Jew) 
>> Newsweek:  Again, Katherine Meyer Graham (Jew)
>> U.S. News & World Report:  Mortimer B. Zuckerman (Jew)
>> 
> Thanks for posting this. I appreciate the research you've done, although
> it would be nice to get some references for the editorial comments you
> posted as well.

National Vanguard Books' "Who Rules America?"

> Well, I guess you're right, Les. There are over 50,000 magazines published
> in the United States, and you've shown us two that are owned by Jews.

Gee, just IMAGINE the hue and cry if even ONE of those "50,000" magazines
was owned by a Nazi...

> There are hundreds of television stations in the country, and probably
> thousands of newspapers. And even in your list, you've had to condescend
> to mention that some of them are owned by Gentiles. But of course, those
> Gentiles are just puppets, right?

Yep.

Les


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			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: None
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In a previous posting, Alexey Yurchenko (ayurchen@sbastc.ess.sunysb.edu) writes:

(snip)

> 	Oh, may be YOU can read Nietzsche in German? Or at least
> 	in English? Or you know who he was?
> 	You know, Lenin knew 12 languages, and his empire stood 70
> 	years. Hitler was not so intellegent, so he got Germans'
> 	ass kicked. Sometimes try to look at final results.

(snip)

> 	Yeah, try to look at final results, dumb ass! No matter how,
> 	but blacks are having priority before whites in this stupid
> 	country. And jews rule the whole world, despite all Hitlers.
> 	So , man, you suck, and I bet this is because you rely on the
> 	white ignorance. Very easy.

(snip)

> 	Why should any reasonable arguments be called political
> 	correctness? You wanna others to get down to your cesspool
> 	and bark your crappy language? You like sacrificed your
> 	beloved "white" achievements in everything for a "temporary
> 	security"? So how do you feel being a white chimpanzee?
> 	Very proud, I guess.

(snip)

> 	So this alliance suck!(And really, can you bark me what
> 	is cool there? I will understand, I can not only bark
> 	but speak too, so don't be afraid). And if they don't
> 	want to be the bunch of shit, they should kick ya outta there! 
> 	What are the fucking achievements of THIS alliance?

(and again)

> And who the hell that dick was? Founder of the nation?
> 
> Someday communists gonna clean the white race from the stains like
> yourself!

Whoo... I got a really severe head-ache reading your post (not from the
English, which I can tell is not your first language), but from your
convoluted argumentation, which can be called "reasoning" only by a very
liberal interpretation of the word.  Hell, boy, you do the same thing to
logic and reasoned discourse that Willy Horton did when he was on parole!

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 60 minutes....
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <3laq5t$bm6@news1.halcyon.com>,
> Jonathan Lettvin  wrote:
> 
>>No, there are indeed white prostitues and junkies, every race has scum. 
>>Some races are mainly composed of scum. Fortunetly white-scum has allways 
>>been few, this is where genetics comes in. Another post...
> 
> Few, you say...  Live in the suburbs, do you?  Here's an idea, clip on 
> your pocket-protector and head up to Seattle some time, let's see just 
> how long that theory stand up to the light.  Why, ask yourself this, why 
> would one strain of Human beings develop the ability to become scum, as 
> you have stated, yet the other develop the ability NOT to become scum?  
> That would be a rather silly evolutional turn, don't you think?

Don't ask us to justify evolution, we just observe it.

Les


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Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Benjamin Franklin knew the score...
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... and delivered the following at the Constitutional Convention in 1787:

"In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have
lowered its moral tone, depreciated its commercial integrity, have
segregated themselves and have not been assimilated, have sneered at and
tred to undermine the Christian religion, have built up a state within a
state, and have, when opposed, tried to strangle that country to death
financially.
	If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants
will be working in their fields to furnish the substance while they will be
in the counting houses rubbing their hands.  I warn you, gentlemen, if you
do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your
graves.  Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics; they will never be otherwise."

Phew!  Rebutt THAT, racial equalitarians!

Les
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Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: More Black inventions...
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>>>Drive-by shootings
>>> 
>>> 	The first drive-bys of which I am aware were during the "Roaring 
>>> 20s," when white "gangsters" would drive past and open fire on their 
>>> rivals with Tommy Guns.  Looks to me like yet another example of white 
>>> superiority in action.
>>
>>Yet another example of how something the White man invents is taken over
>>entirely by Blacks...
> 
> 	Since "Rock" music was largely popularized by Elvis, who became 
> famous because, in Colonel Parker's words, he was a "a white man who 
> could sing and dance like a nigger," I guess you could say that this goes 
> both ways.  Or are you prepared to call blues, R & B, soul, and jazz (all 
> of which have had a profound influence on modern rock music) white 
> inventions which ewre stolen by Black folks.

What the HELL are you babbling about MUSIC for now?  We were talking about
DRIVE-BYS.  Jesus, get a clue!

(snip)

>>>>Rioting and looting
>>> 
>>> 	Earliest riot I can think of (although I'm sure there were many 
>>> before this) was the riot in which Hypatia was killed in Alexandria, 
>>> Egypt.  A crowd of Egyptian Christians skinned her alive.  And we know 
>>> the Egyptians weren't Black, as you've told us numerous times...
>>
>>And they weren't Christian, either, until the moribund Roman Empire
>>imposed Christianity on them.  How about the Jewish riots in Alexandria
>>mentioned in Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?  Hundreds of
>>thousands of non-Jews were killed by dem ever-lovin' jews.
> 
> 	I'll have to read Gibbon sometime; I've been meaning to for years 
> but constraints on my time have always stopped me.  I'm fascinated by 
> ancient history, although I'm not as knowledgeable on the subject as I 
> would like.  

Hint... history consists of more than reciting, "Black skin good, White
skin baaad!" a hundred times a day.

Les



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			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Foreplay!
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In a previous posting, Reuben Logsdon (Hate@mail.utexas.edu) writes:
>> What's the definition of Italian foreplay?
>> "Is your husband home?"
> 
> On the subject of foreplay:
> 
> What's the definition of Jewish foreplay?
> An hour of begging.

What's Black foreplay?
"Scream and I'll kill you!"

What's Mexican foreplay?
"Hey, meester, you wanna fuck my seester?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Les



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			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miltie in the Sky With DIamonds
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In a previous posting, Raskolnikov (bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu) writes:

(snip)

> If you're trying to say that the colour of one's skin
> determines their species, then you've got a lot to learn 
> about speciation. Unless of course you can point to some other
> differences due to _biology_, like genetic separation, mating
> barriers, etc.  

Sure.  Skin TEXTURE, body odour, formation of the ear wax, enzymes
excreted in the urine, form of hair, bone structure, facial features,
brain structure (not including size).  Why do twinkies like you always assume
that we're only talking about skin colour?

Les


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Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

			-Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miltie in the Sky With DIamonds
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In a previous posting, Keith Morrison (t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:

>>See my last message.  Of course, you guys are so damned lazy that you want
>>the exact page number, and the paragraph too.  Would you like me to flip
>>the pages for you too?
>>
>>But, seeing as you're so lazy, I'll repeat myself briefly:
>>
>>1. _Race_, by John R. Baker
>>2. _Race and Reality_, by Carleton Putnam
>>3. _Race and Reason_, by same
>>4. _The Origin of Races_, by Carleton S. Coon
>>
>>1,2 and 3 are available from National Vanguard Books.  #4 MIGHT be found
>>in a public library, if one is extremely lucky.  Just look for all of the
>>"social anthropology" crap by Montague Ashley, Franz Boas, and Margaret Mead.
> 
> Les, Les, Les.  And here I thought you knew better.  You were on such a
> good roll too and then you blew it.  You see, Lester, the key is *not*
> to give a reference because, well, someone might go check it.  And guess
> what?  I did.  Three of those books are in our libraries here.  And I
> looked them up.  Sorry Les, but you asked for it.

Good for you.

> ******************************************************************************
> _Race_ by John R. Baker, Oxford University Press, 1974.
> 
> This is apparently the basis for the differences Les cited earlier in
> this thread, with his quotes about facial structure, urine content,
> ear wax, body odor etc etc.  The only thing is, Mr Griswold forgot to
> mention a few things.
> 
> You see, Europeans (Europids, Baker calls them) and Africans (Negrids,
> same source) have, hold onto your hats now, *THE SAME TYPE OF EAR WAX*
> while Eastern Asians (Mongolids) have a differnt type.

Well, bully for you.  Ear wax isn't the ONLY feature that differentiates
the races.  There's (for example) blood type.

Are you REALLY so stupid as to believe that we have to admit that we're
the same as Blacks because we have the same ear wax?  Or that we're
identical to Asians because SOME Whites have type B blood (usually a Mongolian
trait)?

Have you ever heard of common sense?  Didn't think so...

> Hey, while we're at it, there is a difference in body odor.  What is it?
> That's right, you guessed it *WHITES AND BLACKS HAVE IT* while Asians don't.
> Further, Baker makes it abundantly clear that this should be considered
> a sexually-derived feature, something like the prevalence of red hair
> in Ireland.
> 
> Oh, and what does Baker say about the Jews, while we're here?
> 
> "They do not constitute and have never constituted a subrace of their own"
>                          -Baker, p 247

Methinks Baker would like to keep his job, and so placates "certain
interests" by repeating that old PC canard.

> Baker also cites studies that are now considered garbage about black vs
> white IQ (of course you know who's is higher), implies that civilization
> id directly equivalent to racial intelligence and some other rather
> biased assumptions.  Further, his information shows its age.

Why?  Do facts change with time?

> The renaissance in human ancestory occured after the book was printed with
> the advent of new tools like DNA typing.  As some specific examples,
> he shows a human family tree that includes the branch Pithecanthropus,
> now known to be Homo erectus.  He also concludes that the the "Koisanid"
> people of Southern Africa are two subraces, the Khoi (Bushmen) and the
> San (Hottentots) when in fact they are now considered a single people,
> called Khoi-San.  The only difference is cultural, the Khoi being nomadic
> hunter-gatherers and the San pastoral.
> 
> He also assumes Neanderthals were incredibly ugly by modern standards due
> to the skull structure when modern reconstructions that I have personally
> seen look very much like a modern human, especially when you add the
> head hair which conceals those beetle-brows (which weren't very prominent
> in the flesh anyway) and the chin (same thing).
> 
> But even given all this, Baker makes some comments I do agree with.  He
> slams Hitler and Nazi "biology" as ridiculous and Hitler personally as
> a twit who had no idea what he was talking about.  

Another concession necessary to a) get his book published and b) keep
himself and his family from being harrassed by Semitophiles.

> To close, this passage from the conclusion:
> 
>   "It follows that no one can claim superiority simply because he or she
>    belongs to a particular ethnic taxon."
>
> Oh dear.  By and large this reference is not only dated, but actually makes
> point *against* the Nazi or white-power points of view.
> 
> Well, that didn't work well.  How about number 4?
> 
> 
> _The Origin of Races_ by Carleton S. Coon, Alfred A Knopf Inc, 1962
> 
> Les is right, you probably won't find this in a library.  Know why?  About
> as useful a source of up to date information on human origins as Ptolemy
> would be in an astronomy course.  The information is just old old old.

And most of it is right, right, right.

> To cite a specific example, he uses, like Baker, Pithecanthropus and the
> even more hoary Sinanthropus, both well known as having been relabled
> as Homo erectus when they were studied sufficiently.
> 
> He also falls prey to ethnic chauvinism, proudly proclaiming that if Africa
> was the cradle, the school was in Asia and Europe, on the basis of having
> found no old H. sapiens fossils in Africa (blew that one, too).
> 
> Oh, he also suggests that in order to see what the (presumably) full-size
> ancestors of the Pygmies looked like, it would be a dandy experiment to
> take some Pygmy children and pump them full of growth hormones to see
> what they looked like when they grew up (p 655).  The Pygmies, he says
> quite seriously, probably wouldn't mind.
> 
> "Why yes, in order to prove that we are in fact the most primitive of
> humans I'll let you pump human growth hormone into my daughter until she
> looks like a freak.  After all, you're the superior white man, so you
> must know best."
> 
> Oh, he's wrong there too.  Remember, this is a full decade before human
> evolutionary history was starting to roll along pretty fast.
> 
> So what have we got here?  Dated once again.
> 
> 
> I could only find one of the Putnam books.  Good thing too.  As it was I
> was laughing so hard a librarian threatened to kick me out.
> 
> _Race and Reason, A Yankee View_ by Carleton Putnam, Public Affairs Press
> 1961.
> 
> This one is funny.  From what I gather, Putnam was one of the more vocal
> opponants to desegregation.  This, ah, tome, was printed in order to 
> present his views as to why "Desegregation is Baaaad".
> 
> Much of the book consists of a FAQ-like format.  In fact (no pun intended)
> if you look at the "66 Questions and Answers about the Holocaust" or
> whatever number they're at now, you get the idea.  Among the more
> notable howlers, on page 70 we have:
> 
>      Why do many leaders of the modern church support the integration
>      movement?
> 
>      Because they have accepted uncrutucally the anthropological
>      doctrine of the Boas clique.  They have forgotten the commandment
>      to worship God with all their minds as well as with all their
>      hearts.
> 
> Oh, right, there it is in the Bible, book of Exodus, 11th Commandment.
> "Thou shalt not integrate".  What heretics those church leaders were!
> 
> And then on page 73-74 he shows how desegregation is a Communist(!)
> conspiracy to weaken the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
> Sure thing there, Carleton.  Oh, and on page 80 is this absolutely
> priceless gem that demonstrates Mr Putnam's purely objective reasons
> as to why he is opposed to desegregation.
> 
>      The Black, moreover, is canny, and will play white men against
>      each other on the international stage just as he is playing
>      them against each other in our domestic politics.
> 
> Now I know why Les likes Putnam!  Substitute the word "Jew" for "Black"
> and the whole damn book can be recycled.
> 
> Somehow, I doubt that the other Putnam book Les mentions will be any
> more of an objective study of racial issues.
> 
> So, to conclude, what do we have?  Les Griswold provided four references,
> of which I found three.  One (Putnam) is so blatantly bigotted it
> provides no basis for Les's assertions that satisfy the criteria for
> objective information.  The second (Coon) is so far out of date it's
> not funny.  The third (Baker) makes some debateable comments that could
> be seen to support Les's hypothesis, but he has, as we should have
> expected, creatively edited the information when it directly contradicts
> what he wants it to.  And it is out of date as well.
> 
> Right next to the Baker book was a book called _The Race Concept_ by
> Michael Banton and Jonathan Harwood.  I'd like to quote three passages.
> 
>         It has been said that the study of race, like the theory
>         of numbers, is something which drives men mad.  But the
>         study of race will derange only those who accept as an
>         initial assumption that everybody belongs to some race,
>         so that a complete and meaningful classification is
>         theoretically possible. 
>                                         -p 9
> 
> 
> 
>         In its simplest terms the difficulty is that each individual
>         and each population is genetically distinct and as there are
>         no clear-cut biological indications of which differences are
>         the most important, there are no biological grounds for
>         deciding which individuals and which populations should go 
>         into the same catagory.
>                                         -p 55
> 
> 
> 
>         "Of all the vulgar modes of escaping from the consideration
>          of the effect of social and moral influences on the human
>          mind, the most vulgar is that of attributing the diversities
>          of conduct to inherent natural differences."
>                         
>                                         - John Stuart Mill, 1848
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison |  Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste.  Good thing
> t08o@unb.ca    |  none was alloted to Les.


Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Holy moley!
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Hey, a.air-student-com-ghostgum-93090658, are you for REAL?!?  You're so
fucked it's beyond belief!  Of COURSE Rupert Murdoch is a jew!  Way to
discredit your position!

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Full-nelson Mandela!
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In a previous posting, Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Why is it that Bill Clintonista had time to twice meet with terrorist
> bag-man Jerry Adams this year but will be too busy watching nigger-net-ball
> to meet the British prime minister when he arrives in D.C.?
> 
> I'm not an American but I see in this a paralell to a Canadian situation a
> few years back. Historian David Irving was expelled from this country
> because he had been convicted of "crimes" in Europe related to his Holocaust
> research. These European  "crimes" have no counterpart in the Canadian
> criminal code yet he was expelled at the behest of a handfull of noisy
> International Socialist demonstrators. Simultaneously my traitorous
> government welcomed convicted terrorist Nelson Mandella with open arms.

Apparently, too, he was offered $5 million, and he had the balls to ask
for it in AMERICAN funds.  Guess he didn't have a whole lot of confidence
in the Canadian "dollar".

> Of course this pleased the guilt-ridden White liberal majority who are
> allways eager to see their leaders make nice with the unsavory leaders
> third-world nations. (I realize that South-Africa is not now a third-world
> nation but it will be.)
> 
> Rick
> --
> The great epochs of our life come when we gain the courage 
> to rechristen our evil as what is best in us.  
>                                                 -Friedrich Nietzsche

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black on Black crime?  I think not!
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Liberals LOVE to go on about how "Whites beat Blacks too, so let's not
hear about Black-on-White crime anymore!"  As if a few isolated incidents
equal the undeclared race war that the Black race is perpetrating on the
White race!  Just a few facts:

1.  A majority of people murdered by Blacks are not Black.

2.  In 1988 there were ten cases of White men raping Black women in the
U.S., but NINE THOUSAND, FOUR HUNDRED AND FIVE (that's 9,405) cases of
Blacks raping White women.

3.  White criminals attack Blacks only 2% of the time.

4.  In 1985, there were 629,000 interracial attacks recorded by the FBI. 
90% were Black on White.

Gee, since Blacks only make up about 13% of the U.S. population, one would
expect that they only commit 13% of the crime.

(Yeah, we really believe THAT one!)

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: //WHY NIGGERS ARE INFERIOR\\
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In a previous posting, Alexis Henry Clay (ahc1@Ra.MsState.Edu) writes:
> Well, Actually ameobas do have rights but since they are not classified 
> in the human family then to extend to them the same rights as humans 
> would be ignorant.

Well, WHY aren't they classified as human?  It's the rampant bigotry of
people like you that denies them their rights; after all, we ALL evolved
from unicellular creatures (or, if evolution isn't your thing, we're all
God's children!)  So where do you get off on telling me that I'm ignorant
for suggesting that we extend human rights to ameobas?

> you punk!

Sez you.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Just a little biographical info...
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... about Dr. John R. Baker, Prof. Carleton S. Coon, and Carleton Putnam,
whom some people here thought could be dismissed as Nazi cranks by
implication:

JOHN R. BAKER:  Professor of biology, Oxford University.  Fellow of the
Royal Society.

CARLETON S. COON:  Professor of Anthropology at Harvard; later, Curator of
Ethnology and Professor of Anthropolgy at the University Museum,
Philadelphia.  Past President of the American Association of Physical
Anthropologists.

CARLETON PUTNAM:  Holds a degree in law from Columbia and in science from
Princeton.  For fifteen years (as of 1961), he was the president of
Chicago and Southern Air Lines, and later chairman of Delta Air Lines. 

Ah, but they were all "Nazi cranks", right?

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Matt Pierce, attorney-at-law!
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In a previous posting, Matt (mpierce@iastate.edu) writes:
> JFlynnComm (jflynncomm@aol.com) wrote:
> : >Who's self-righteous now?  Hey, you posted
> : >someone's phone-number, what's the lower blow?
> 
> : As I've said before, no one remarks when Mikey Beebe tries to get people's
> : accounts terminated, but when I respond by posting his number, all you
> : liberal fuckheads go into a tizzy.  I don't know what's more hypocritical
> : accusing people of being "poor" while proclaiming non-discriminatory
> : intentions, or not being able to take shit after dishing it out.
> 
> You're wrong this time homeboy.  You don't see any of the other racists
> on this group posting anyone's personal phone number or address or
> trying to incite harassment against anyone.  Even Les, Mike and Sylvie
> won't defend what you did because they know it's just as wrong as we 
> do.  It's one thing to argue and discuss and flame in the group but
> it's an entirely diferent thing to start harassing someone in their
> home.  It's can also be a crime.

Really?  Then why do anti-racists make it a habit to harrass "Nazis" in
their homes?  I think you should talk to them.

> Me and everyone else will take all the shit you can dish out on here.
> What we won't tolerate though is harassment in our homes.  If you
> weren't such a coward and posted your real name, you'd be open to
> the same thing also and just as pissed off if someone started calling
> you night and day harassing you for being a racist.  You're pathetic.

It seems that you sorts say diddly when it comes to harrassment of a
"Nazi" (he brought it on himself, yadayadayada), but you flip out when
someone does it to YOU.  If what JFlynnCom did is such a crime, why's he
still here?  Doesn't AOL care about what their users do?  I heard they're
VERY uptight about the behaviour of their users...

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: Yoo hoo!  Negrophiles!
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In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:
>     One would want to note the date on this publication:  1961.  This was
> during the dumbest and most embarrassing period in White American History.

Yes, just seven years after the disasterous _Brown vs. Board of Education_
desegregation decision.  We can all see the wisdom of THAT one!

>  A published piece of nonsense like this was the norm during this era and
> the masters of this time period passed birth to semi-coherentees of the
> 90's like the author of this post.  Looks like you have been hit pretty
> hard and straight forward.  Might want to sew up your backside to prevent
> the bleeding.

I figured that you guys would throw a hissy-fit over the 1961 date of
publication.  Has it ever occurred to you geniuses that we HAVE to go as
far back as that because Political Correctness totally forbids anyone
publishing a like work today?  Nah, didn't think so...

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: More quotes for y'all!
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State Department document 861.00/1757, May 2 1918.  Telegram sent by
U.S. consul general in Moscow, Summers:

"... First of two reports received relate to condition at and near
Vitebsk, Vyazma, and Bryansk.  At Vitebsk food shortage.  Jews
predominant in local Soviet Government, anti-Jewish feeling growing
among population which tends to regard oncoming Germans as deliverers."

State Department document 861.00, July 5 1918.  Telegram sent
from Vladivostok by U.S. consul Caldwell.

"... Fifty percent of Soviet Government in each town consists of
Jews of the worst type, many of whom are anarchists.  It would
be grave mistake on our part to offically recognize Bolshevik
who scarcely represent (blank, written in as "1.7%") of
Russians."

Military intelligence reports sent by Capt. Montgomery Schuyler, U.S. Army:

March 1, 1919:

"... It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the
Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and
controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the
United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our
civilization without having the least understanding..."

June 9, 1919:

"... A table made in April 1918 by Robert Wilson, the correspondent of the
London Times in Russia, shows that at that time there were 384
"commissars" including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians
and more than 300 Jews.  Of the latter number 264 had come to Russia from
the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."

Phew!

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: The gaps in numbers
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In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:
>     Hmmmmm,  I smell bitch.  Typical of individuals with low intelligence
> and high ignorance.   Apparently, everyone,  these individuals have been
> made to realize how stupid they really are.   Rather than admitting they
> have been wrong about their curved views,  they would rather run from
> their problems like cowards.  Les,  this especially surprises me about
> you.  I never thought you would go the route of a coward but white trash
> is white trash and this should have been expected.  Why not just get rid
> of all of our asses so that you jack asses can share your thoughts and
> intelligence  Needless to say that this will make for an empty newsgroup. 
>  Kill file us all so the only asses left sniff will be your own. 
> PUUUUUUUSSSSSIES.

Pissed off you didn't think of it first, eh?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: More Black inventions...
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In a previous posting, Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> In a previous posting, Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> 
>> > You speak of the lynching in Alabama as if it were the only one, an
>> > isolated occurrence. Lynchings, bombings of churches, burning of houses,
>> > attacks by police dogs and fire hoses were a common, if not daily,
>> > occurrence.
>> 
>> Well, since they were such common, if not daily, occurrences, I guess you
>> should have no problem whatsoever listing some of them.
> 
> I don't have an encyclopedic source handy, so I'll have to work from
> memory. These are just a few cases I can remember off the top of my head.
> 
> Leo Frank, a jewish mill owner who was dragged from an Atlanta jail and
> lynched without benefit of trial. Witnesses who could have exonerated him
> were told by the sherriff to leave town, and didn't go public until years
> later.

When was that? 1910?  Why not put a little historical context on that?  Or
were you stung by Pyramid 00's comment about older dates?

> June 12, 1963, Jackson, Mississippi. Medgar Evers, field secretary of the
> Mississippi NAACP, is shot in the back in his driveway. Arnold de la
> Beckwith was convicted of this crime a couple of years ago. 

1992:  Randy Weaver's wife is shot between the eyes while holding a
ten-month-old baby.  The BATF sniper, Lon Horiuchi, is later acquitted of
any wrong-doing.

> Three students leading a voter registration drive in Mississippi, taken
> into the woods and killed. A local sherriff's deputy was later implicated.
> This case formed the basis of Mississippi Burning.

You mean three communist agitators.

> Martin Luther King, shot on his hotel balcony by one James Earl Ray, April
> 4, 1968. Ray pleaded guilty, and there was no trial. Recently, Ray has
> claimed that he was recruited and funded by a small cadre of white
> supremacists. 

It's hilarious how you guys whig out and call us idiots for believing in
small cadres of JEWISH conspirators, but you have no problem with someone
testifying about WHITE conspirators...

> September 1963. A Baptist church in Birmingham, blown up during a rehersal
> of the children's choir. Four elementary school-age girls are killed.

Was the perpetrator ever found?  Can you say for certain that the bombers
were White supremacists, and not NAACPers working to build sympathy for
their "snivel riots"?

> The Scottsboro boys, tried and convicted for the rape of a white woman
> which, the evidence later revealed, they did not commit.

Whoop-de-friggin'-do.  Wrongful conviction is different than intentional
racism (except to liberals like you, right?)

> Everyone who attempted in 1965 to march from Selma to montgomery. They
> were met at a bridge on the outskirts of Selma by a cordon of police and,
> when they refused to disperse, were set upon by dogs, police batons, tear
> gas, and bulllwhips.

So it's okay to disobey police when one disagrees with them?  Gee, can't
wait to try that one out...

> The Freedom riders, who attempted to ride desegregated buses, pursuant to
> a federal court order. They were run off the road, dragged from the buses
> and beaten. The buses were often set afire.

Of course, all those Whites who were beaten in 1993 in L.A. for the SOLE
reason that they were White (remember Reginald Denny?) deserved it, right?

I once read a cartoon in an old issue of _Attack_:  it showed a
flower-power type on a picnic blanket with a white girl as they were
attacked by a bunch of Blacks.  The hippy, instead of defending himself or
the girl, cried out, "Hey, man, we HATE White people!"  To which the
Blacks responded, "SO DO WE, HONKEY!"

The point?  Be a negrophilic suck-ass as much as you want, but when the
Blacks start capping Whitey, they aren't gonna be asking about your
politics; they're gonna know everything they need by lookiing at your
melanin deprivation, ie you're White, you're the enemy.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

	-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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In a previous posting, Jeremy Litt (Jeremy Litt) writes:

(snip)

>>> Gee, Les, you read one whole book.  And looky, looky, it's a conspiracy
>>> book about the threatening Jews who rule America.  Good one, Les,
>>> at least now we know where some of your ideas come from.

>>> I suggest you read at least one counterpoint book.  I went out
>>> and read Bradley Smith's stuff; I suggest you go out and read
>>> a non-revisionist writer.

>>Like I said:  you guys have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER in believing in "White
>>racist" conspiracies, but MENTION Jewish conspiracies...

>>Les

> Les, learn to read.  i didn't say your book was WRITTEN by a conspiracy,	
> I called it a "conspiracy book" as in, "webelieve in all sortsof wacky	
> conspiracies" as in "Elvisis alive and living on a UFO."	

Ooh, big difference.  You would make a pretty decent lawyer.

> BTW, Have you ever read annon-polemic book on the Holocaust?

Oh, by "non-polemic", do you mean one written by a jew, or a semitophile? 
Perhaps something by Elie "We should hate all Germans" Wiesel?

Les

--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Communism and Jews
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In a previous posting, Harry Katz (hkatz@earth) writes:
> In article <3lqb57$nql@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
> Matthew Paul Cline (mpcline@cats.ucsc.edu) asks:
> 
> 	This doesn't really have anything to do with revisionism, but
> 	since many revisionists seem to make some connection between
> 	communism and the Jews in Europe, I'll ask the question here:
> 	What evidence is there that there were many Jews involved in
> 	communism?  I don't mean evidence that *some* Jews were involved
> 	with communism.  I mean evidence along the lines that the
> 	proportion of Communists who were Jews was much larger than the
> 	proportion of the general public who were Jews.
> 
> While we are are at it, let's also ask for evidence that the number of
> Jews involved with Communism represents more than 50% of the European
> Jewish population, or that mainstream European Jewish organizations
> supported Communism.

What convoluted reasoning.  How 'bout evidence that jews represented more
than 1.7 percent (or whatever their part of the general population) of
Communists?

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: I KNEW it...
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I KNEW that it would only be a matter of time before someone jumped on my
enzymes-in-the-urine argument.  Figures it would be Jeffy Brownnose.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Dion Samerson (samerson@bu.edu) writes:
> : Actually, the FBI stats (I believe also for 1991) show that Blacks rape
> : White women 98% of the time.  White men rape Black women only 2% of the time.
> 
> Les,
> 
> Let us just say that i have seen the statistics on crime (that includes rape)
> posted for 1993 by the F.B.I, and let us just say that unless the statisitics
> dramatically dropped in those two years, you're constipated - cold full of
> shit. But, what's new?
> 
> I think what you would like to say is that 98% of white women CRY RAPE after
> sucking some black athlete's dick, balls, and nuts.

Really, Dion, must you be so crude?  Well, all things considered, I guess
you don't have much option.

That's okay if you think I'm full of shit:  I KNOW you are, so I guess
that makes us about even.

Les


--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: Matt Pierce, attorney-at-law!
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In a previous posting, Matt (mpierce@iastate.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Oh, I see.  So, only posting someone's number here constitutes
> : "harassment".
> 
> : Ya know, there IS a whole world out there ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT of the
> : 'Net.  There ARE racists who are harassed by anti-racists, and neither has
> : EVER been here.
> 
> Ya know, you sound so much like your wife.  You two wrere truly meant
> for each other.  You use exactly the same kind of logic to defend these
> actions.  When you try to defend Flynnstone's actions, you defend them
> by saying that other nazis outside the net get harassed.  When your
> wife tries to defend the holocaust, she defends the Jew killings by
> saying "oh... germans got killed too.".  

Both true, and relevant.  You came across with all sorts of BS about how
if I haven't  had a phone-call from an anti-(White)racist here, then I've
not been harassed.  Sorry to let you down, bub.

> What's similar about these arguments you ask?  You both sidestep the
> main issue every time and try to come up with some roundabout excuse 
> instead of concentrating on the main issue.  It doesn't matter if 
> racists get harassed off the net, that doesn't validate what Flynncomm
> did here.  And it doesn't matter whether germans were killed or not,
> that's no excuse for what they did to the Jews.

You're full of it.  My wife NEVER says anything of the sort, unless she
logs on secretly, and deletes her messages before I can read them.

If racists get harassed off the 'Net, is sure as hell DOES validate what
JFlynnComm does and did here.  You guys want to play rough, expect us to. 
Posting someone's number is FAR less than what you semitophilic shits
would do.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Hoo boy!  ANOTHER guilty German!
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In a previous posting, Christian Julius (chj@ing.ruhr.de) writes:

>> Philk@ix.netcom.com (Philip Kirschner) writes:

>> ]It's not a conservative site, it's a racist site. As an american jew I
>> ]want to get sick at the stormfront website. I already have taken steps
>>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> ]towards the undoing of that site, and will foward this to the media.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> Sick.

> Right! Kick those right-wing fascists out of the net.
> There's no need for them !

> Two worldwars caused by my country and 65 Mio. killed citizens should
> be enough for all times.

> So long,

Hey, James, is that you?

Swallowed that BS about Germany's guilt for the two World Wars, I see.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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alt.censorship 
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (Philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <3lujog$5gh@mack.rt66.com> lazlo@mack.rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) writes: 
> 
>>
>>Philk@ix.netcom.com (Philip Kirschner) writes:
>>
>>> It's not a conservative site, it's a racist site. As an american jew 
>>> I want to get sick at the stormfront website. I already have taken 
>>> steps towards the undoing of that site, and will foward this to the media.
>>
>>Let me get this straight -- you'd rather keep these guys's activities 
>>underground than up on the web where everyone can keep an eye on them?
>>
>>--
>>Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com)
> 
> Lazlo,
> 
>      Even though these groups have web sites, and information exchanges 
> much of what these groups do is behind closed doors. They do need to be 
> watched.

Why?

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: Benjamin Franklin knew the score...
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In a previous posting, JFlynnComm (jflynncomm@aol.com) writes:
> Someone wrote:
>>Where was this text delivered, and when?
>>
>>Was it by the Ben Franklin we all know about ("discovering" electicity,
> etc),
>>or was it someone else name o' Ben Franklin?
>>Y'know, kind of like Tony Bennet the singer and Tony Bennet the middle
>>linebacker.  
> 
> Read the first part.  It was by the only Ben Franklin present at the
> Constitutional Convention in 1787.

It's pretty funny, actually:  Joel Rosenberg tells me that Eustace Mullins
made it up, and Daniel Keren on alt.revisionism tells me that it first
appeared when William Dudley Pelley printed it in his neo-Nazi paper,
based on the fictitious "Pinckney diary".  Geez, these jews can't even
keep their revisionism straight.

Les


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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (Philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <3ltb4q$72i@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> JITE@ix.netcom.com (HARD RESPONSE) 
> writes: 
> 
>>
>>In  dblack@jbx.com (Don Black) writes: 
>>
>>>
>>>The Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page is now online at 
>>>http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/ . 
>>
>>Ah, good to see another conservative web site!
>>-- 
>>| I suppose I can understand the selfish|Send inquiries & threats to
>>| callous disregard,  it's the pride in |       HARD RESPONSE
>>|   it that passes me by."  Rack Jite   | POB 845 Seabrook, TX 77586
>>|OINK IF YOU LOVE RUSH-web page-April 15|   --jite@ix.netcom.com--
>>
> 
> JITE, 
> 
> It's not a conservative site, it's a racist site. As an american jew I 
> want to get sick at the stormfront website. I already have taken steps
> towards the undoing of that site, and will foward this to the media.
> Get a life!

You would.  But keep it up:  things like that speak VOLUMES about jewish
influence.

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: More from Les the Clueless (was:RE: Just a little biograph...)
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In a previous posting, Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:

(snip)

> To summerize, Baker (1974) and Coon (1962) out of date
> scientifically speaking, later data contradicts statements they have
> made.

So?  They made some mistakes.  So, because they weren't 100%, dead bang on
about EVERYTHING, they must be full of shit on ANYTHING?

That really is like sneering when Galton or Darwin are mentioned:  sure,
current science may contradict what they discovered, but that doesn't
discount the basis of what they had to say.
 
> Putnam (1961) was not a Nazi crank.  He was a racist crank as anyone reading
> his book will quickly realize.  The part about the Blacks conspiring
> together to get the white men is especially insightful, as is his contention
> that desegregation was a communist plot.

And yet you have no problem believing that Whites are conspiring to "get"
the Blacks, or the jews, or anyone else, or in "Nazi" and "racist" plots.

> Oh, and Les followed up my review of 200+ lines with about a
> half-dozen of his own that did not even come lose to rebutting me.
> The only comments he made were on ear-wax and something about blood
> type.

That's all your drivel was worth.

> Oh by the way, Les, facts are indeed subject to change in a
> scientific sense.

No they aren't.  Theories ARE, but facts are not.

> It was once a fact that the world was flat.  It was also a fact that the
> world was created at 9 AM on October 9 4004 BC.  It was a fact that the sun
> revolved around the Earth.  Only, they are no longer considered facts by
> science today.

Any of you exterminationist-types wanna talk to this lad?  He's a REAL
space-cadet.

> And I'm glad to see you had absolutely *no* response to my opinion
> of Putnam.

Ran out of time.  My biographical info contained my response, chowder-head.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Communism and Jews
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In a previous posting, Matthew Paul Cline (mpcline@cats.ucsc.edu) writes:
> This doesn't really have anything to do with revisionism, but since
> many revisionists seem to make some connection between communism and
> the Jews in Europe, I'll ask the question here: What evidence is there
> that there were many Jews involved in communism?  I don't mean
> evidence that *some* Jews were involved with communism.  I mean
> evidence along the lines that the proportion of Communists who
> were Jews was much larger than the proportion of the general public
> who were Jews.

Here y'are, bud.  I know how much the people here like citations and
references (ie, for "Holocaust" deniers to do their work for them):

State Department document 861.00/1757, May 2 1918.  Telegram sent by
U.S. consul general in Moscow, Summers:

"... First of two reports received relate to condition at and near
Vitebsk, Vyazma, and Bryansk.  At Vitebsk food shortage.  Jews
predominant in local Soviet Government, anti-Jewish feeling growing
among population which tends to regard oncoming Germans as deliverers."

State Department document 861.00, July 5 1918.  Telegram sent
from Vladivostok by U.S. consul Caldwell.

"... Fifty percent of Soviet Government in each town consists of
Jews of the worst type, many of whom are anarchists.  It would
be grave mistake on our part to offically recognize Bolshevik
who scarcely represent (blank, written in as "1.7%") of
Russians."

Military intelligence reports sent by Capt. Montgomery Schuyler, U.S. Army:

March 1, 1919:

"... It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the
Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and
controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the
United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our
civilization without having the least understanding..."

June 9, 1919:

"... A table made in April 1918 by Robert Wilson, the correspondent of the
London Times in Russia, shows that at that time there were 384
"commissars" including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians
and more than 300 Jews.  Of the latter number 264 had come to Russia from
the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."

Les

--
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Communism and Jews
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In a previous posting, Raskolnikov (bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu) writes:
> In article <3lr3mm$4sp@izar.brunel.ac.uk>, Ricardo D Joshua  writes:
>> mpcline@cats.ucsc.edu (Matthew Paul Cline) wrote:
> 
>>> the Jews in Europe, I'll ask the question here: What evidence is there
>>> that there were many Jews involved in communism?  I don't mean
>>> evidence that *some* Jews were involved with communism.  I mean
>>> evidence along the lines that the proportion of Communists who
>>> were Jews was much larger than the proportion of the general public
>>> who were Jews.
>> 
>> I think with a bit of research you'll find that the vast majority of
>> Marxist-Bolshevik-Communist thinkers and activists were Jews. Without
>> venturing too far again into this area, I can quite firmly say that
>> the proportion of Jews involved in Communism was far, far higher than
>> the proportion of the general public who were Jews. 
> 
> Well, how does one go from this assertion to making a blanket
> statement about Communism being a *Jewish* phenomenon?
> 
> Also, how many of these communists were practicing Jews? (none,
> i'd argue)

Could you define "practicing Jews"?  Do you mean Jews with sidelocks and
black clothing?  Who went to synagogue regularly?  What?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why Blacks and Jews are superior to White Nazis.
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In a previous posting, Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
>    Blacks and Jews have both undergone a brutal selection process that is
> weeding out the weak and producing a race well suited to modern society.
> If you Nazis believe in Darwin's survival of the fittest then you
> understand that all races are under a constant flux of gene migration and
> natural selection. No country has a monopoly on ideas unless they are
> completely isolated from other groups. In the same way, the white race has
> no monopoly on blue eyes, intelligence, creativity or anything else.
> Blacks in this country have on average 20% white genes in their makeup.

OOH!  What a telling stat!  Sure hope no-one cross posts this to
alt.politics.white-power and deflates the hopes of all those negrophiles!

>    Over the centuries Jews were confined to live in cities and engage in
> trades and money lending since most forms of work were deprived from them.
> As they intermingled with the white populations around them, interbreeding
> strengthed them biologically and culturally.
>    White Nazis who choose to isolate themselves amoung lower educated hate
> mongers will not be superior to anyone. If you really believe that you are
> superior to blacks, Jews, Hispanics, orientals, and others, then move to
> Mexico or Thailand or wherever and rise to the top echolon of society. You
> should find it easy to compete with people of inferior mental abilities.
>    On the other hand, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics and others will continue to
> mate with white and others and produce stronger people through diversity.
> There is no stoping gene migration, you people should learn to just take
> the plunge into inter-racial marriages. Some of you might hope that Africa
> will die from the Aids epidemic or overbreeding, but years from now they
> will have learned how to apply family planning and their people will be
> more resitant to Aids. Not everyone will die from Aids. Some strains will
> get weaker until some people survive. In Africa this is already happening.
> Those survivors and their families will develop resitences to most forms
> of the disease.
> 
> I know most of you neo Nazi skinheads don't plan to go to college. But you
> should at least drop by one of them and pick up a physcial anthopology
> book and let myths about races and superiority fade away. Give up you
> myths, your religions, and study the sciences and logic. Learn how to
> think critically and stop letting your base emotions dictate the direction
> of your lives.

Really, this should go on alt.liberal.fairy.tales.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: More tiring blather from Ken McOyvey
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In a previous posting, Gila Monster (lzaird@io.org) writes:

> Les, I've finally figured it out, you're rebelling for the sake of 
> rebelling...get a new cause, get a new enemy, an actual enemy.  Your 
> energy is currently being wasted by these WP types who are feeding you 
> slop instead of substance.  

It's funny, really it is, how you liberal hand-wringers always refer to WP
facts as "slop".

> We've asked, and asked, and ASKED for stronger evidence than the current 
> "establishment" evidence.  To no avail, you've given us stats, that seem 
> straight off of a W.A.R. pamphlet you found in the gutter.

What, WAR can't publish facts?  That's news to me.

> Face it, it happened...if you'd just face the FACTS half the bandwidth
> that's wasted wouldn't be.

WHAT happened?  The jewish hollow cause?  Man, what dupes you guys are.

> Most of our liberal arguments are refuting your lies, if only you'd tell the
> truth about things we'd have nothing to say...

I DO tell the truth.  It's only whiny ninnies like yourself who can't
accept it.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Intentional, separatist communities
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In a previous posting, CommyHater (commyhater@aol.com) writes:
> mpierce@iastate.edu (Matt) wrote:
> 
>>Look at where a lot of the white power types are located already,
>>up in the woods in the northwest.  Why can't you call move up
>>there?  If you all just moved up there I doubt that there are
>>any minority groups who would move in with you.
> 
> This shows how much you really DON'T know about us!  Most racists (by far,
> and it seems like I run into more and more everyday) live in places where
> there is a large concentration of non-Whites.  Most people up north are
> not racists, since they aren't exposed to mud every day like we are. 
> That's the way I was when I lived up there.  It took a move to southern
> California, and a first hand look at how they live, before I woke up. 

It's great, ain't it?  The more the liberals push their "we are the world"
fantasy, the more they are alienating White people.  The old truism,
"Familiarity breeds contempt" was never truer.

>>There is no scenario for a white uprise and rioting and all that
>>stuff because of the reasons that I wrote to Milton, ie. whites are
>>too comfortable where they are.  People are afraid of WP types, and
>>don't want anything to do with you.  That's why it's in your best
>>interests to move to a remote area in the US or Canada and just
>>have your own communities.  It's much more feasible and likely to
>>be accomplished than overthrowing the US government.
> 
> You may be right about people being too comfortable, but the time's, they
> are a changin'.  Even you PC types know about the widening gap between
> haves and have nots.  Your precious government doesn't know when to stop
> and will eventually be its own executioner.  It may not happen in our
> lifetime (then again it might), but it WILL happen sooner or later.  It is
> our job to prepare for the future, and the White Victory!

Just consider the actions of the government, in both the United States,
and in Canada.  These are NOT the actions of people who are confident they
are right; rather, they are the actions of people who are scared half to
death that the full extent of their treason will be exposed.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why Blacks and Jews are superior to White Nazis.
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In a previous posting, Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
>    Blacks and Jews have both undergone a brutal selection process that is
> weeding out the weak and producing a race well suited to modern society.
> If you Nazis believe in Darwin's survival of the fittest then you
> understand that all races are under a constant flux of gene migration and
> natural selection. No country has a monopoly on ideas unless they are
> completely isolated from other groups. In the same way, the white race has
> no monopoly on blue eyes, intelligence, creativity or anything else.
> Blacks in this country have on average 20% white genes in their makeup.

OOH!  What a telling stat!  Sure hope no-one cross posts this to
alt.politics.white-power and deflates the hopes of all those negrophiles!

>    Over the centuries Jews were confined to live in cities and engage in
> trades and money lending since most forms of work were deprived from them.
> As they intermingled with the white populations around them, interbreeding
> strengthed them biologically and culturally.
>    White Nazis who choose to isolate themselves amoung lower educated hate
> mongers will not be superior to anyone. If you really believe that you are
> superior to blacks, Jews, Hispanics, orientals, and others, then move to
> Mexico or Thailand or wherever and rise to the top echolon of society. You
> should find it easy to compete with people of inferior mental abilities.
>    On the other hand, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics and others will continue to
> mate with white and others and produce stronger people through diversity.
> There is no stoping gene migration, you people should learn to just take
> the plunge into inter-racial marriages. Some of you might hope that Africa
> will die from the Aids epidemic or overbreeding, but years from now they
> will have learned how to apply family planning and their people will be
> more resitant to Aids. Not everyone will die from Aids. Some strains will
> get weaker until some people survive. In Africa this is already happening.
> Those survivors and their families will develop resitences to most forms
> of the disease.
> 
> I know most of you neo Nazi skinheads don't plan to go to college. But you
> should at least drop by one of them and pick up a physcial anthopology
> book and let myths about races and superiority fade away. Give up you
> myths, your religions, and study the sciences and logic. Learn how to
> think critically and stop letting your base emotions dictate the direction
> of your lives.

Really, this should go on alt.liberal.fairy.tales.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Looking for Les
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In a previous posting, Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> In a previous posting, Patti Lugsdin (bg398@torfree.net) writes:
>> > Hey Les my names Patti. I tried to post to you at your address but it 
>> > seems I don't have access to it. 
> 
>> That's weird.  Must be ZOG interfering with my mail.:-)
> 
> For chrissakes, Lester, have you nothing better to do with your time
> than flirt with an unsuspecting *non*-racist who hasn't yet discovered
> what  a sleaze you are?  I know we at ZOG certainly have better things
> to do than read *your* mail...

Pissed off that she asked me and not you?

>> > Any way I noticed your posting from Carlton. My little brother is going 
>> > to be attending school there in Sept. I was wondering if you could fill 
>> > me in on the best neighborhoods to live in and where are the best places 
>> > to hang out.
> 
>> It really depends on what you're looking for.
> 
> Um, Les-than-worthy-of-respect? I believe it's fairly obvious from her
> last comment that it ain't *you* she's lookin' for...

Takes a jew to assume that ANYTHING a White writes is sexual in nature.

I'm married, Jennbo.  Why should I go cruising on the 'Net for a date?

>> > Hoping your not a bonehead.
> 
>> I'm not.  But why?
> 
> Oh, come now Les...don't you think you're withholding the truth just a
> *little*?

Nope.

Les


--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Intentional, separatist communities
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In a previous posting, CommyHater (commyhater@aol.com) writes:
> mpierce@iastate.edu (Matt) wrote:
> 
>>Look at where a lot of the white power types are located already,
>>up in the woods in the northwest.  Why can't you call move up
>>there?  If you all just moved up there I doubt that there are
>>any minority groups who would move in with you.
> 
> This shows how much you really DON'T know about us!  Most racists (by far,
> and it seems like I run into more and more everyday) live in places where
> there is a large concentration of non-Whites.  Most people up north are
> not racists, since they aren't exposed to mud every day like we are. 
> That's the way I was when I lived up there.  It took a move to southern
> California, and a first hand look at how they live, before I woke up. 

It's great, ain't it?  The more the liberals push their "we are the world"
fantasy, the more they are alienating White people.  The old truism,
"Familiarity breeds contempt" was never truer.

>>There is no scenario for a white uprise and rioting and all that
>>stuff because of the reasons that I wrote to Milton, ie. whites are
>>too comfortable where they are.  People are afraid of WP types, and
>>don't want anything to do with you.  That's why it's in your best
>>interests to move to a remote area in the US or Canada and just
>>have your own communities.  It's much more feasible and likely to
>>be accomplished than overthrowing the US government.
> 
> You may be right about people being too comfortable, but the time's, they
> are a changin'.  Even you PC types know about the widening gap between
> haves and have nots.  Your precious government doesn't know when to stop
> and will eventually be its own executioner.  It may not happen in our
> lifetime (then again it might), but it WILL happen sooner or later.  It is
> our job to prepare for the future, and the White Victory!

Just consider the actions of the government, in both the United States,
and in Canada.  These are NOT the actions of people who are confident they
are right; rather, they are the actions of people who are scared half to
death that the full extent of their treason will be exposed.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (Philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:

>>>It's (ie, Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page at
>>>http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/.) not a
>>>conservative site, it's a racist site. As an american jew I 
>>>want to get sick at the stormfront website. I already have taken steps
>>>towards the undoing of that site, and will foward this to the media.
>>>Get a life!
>>
>>Well, we disagree on that one. Like Nazis marching in Skokie I suppose.
>>Are you denying that these racist and Christian Racist groups are 
>>conservatives?  Come on...  
>>
>>Hey, I got something to say that will piss off both the anal 
>>retentive Jews and Gays!
> 
> The only ANAL retentive people I see here, is you JITE spewing that shit 
> out of that trash mouth of yours. And if you were in front of me I, 
> would close it with a baseball bat.
> 
> 
>>I believe that the most disgusting, repulsive, piece of shit American 
>>who ever lived was both a Jew and a Homosexual.  ROY COHN.
>>So there! :)
> 
> And I beleive the most disgusting peice of sub-human trash that exists 
> is the white nigger running around in white robes acting like clowns 
> claiming to be the master race. When in fact the only sub-human that 
> exists on the net is you JITE!!!!! If you people were the masters, how 
> were you defeated in the big one? Get a life.

You can always bring down a stag if you get enough dogs at its throat.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (Philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:

>>>It's (ie, Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page at
>>>http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/.) not a
>>>conservative site, it's a racist site. As an american jew I 
>>>want to get sick at the stormfront website. I already have taken steps
>>>towards the undoing of that site, and will foward this to the media.
>>>Get a life!
>>
>>Well, we disagree on that one. Like Nazis marching in Skokie I suppose.
>>Are you denying that these racist and Christian Racist groups are 
>>conservatives?  Come on...  
>>
>>Hey, I got something to say that will piss off both the anal 
>>retentive Jews and Gays!
> 
> The only ANAL retentive people I see here, is you JITE spewing that shit 
> out of that trash mouth of yours. And if you were in front of me I, 
> would close it with a baseball bat.
> 
> 
>>I believe that the most disgusting, repulsive, piece of shit American 
>>who ever lived was both a Jew and a Homosexual.  ROY COHN.
>>So there! :)
> 
> And I beleive the most disgusting peice of sub-human trash that exists 
> is the white nigger running around in white robes acting like clowns 
> claiming to be the master race. When in fact the only sub-human that 
> exists on the net is you JITE!!!!! If you people were the masters, how 
> were you defeated in the big one? Get a life.

You can always bring down a stag if you get enough dogs at its throat.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.correct 
Subject: Joel's flaim bait
Reply-To: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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In a previous posting, Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:

(snip)

>>No. I would never compare myself to Mad Mike. He did have a somewhat 
>>similare experience, though, not too long after our arrest. He was 
>>imprisoned by the South African government after a botched attempt to 
>>take over another island, around Seychelles.

> Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  But at least he did have some 
> successes to his credit, one of them a rather laudable assist.

>>>     Waittaminute!
>>>
>>>     IS this actually true?
>>>
>>> Mike "REALLY curious now!" Beebe

>>I was convicted in New Orleans in 1981 of violating the Neutrality
>>Act by "preparing a military expedition against a nation with which
>>the U.S. is at peace. I subsequently served two years of a three-year
>>sentence.
> 
>>Don Black

> Ooo.  And I take it that means you, being a convicted felon and all, have 
> forfeited your right to keep and bear arms?

And your point is...?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: More tiring blather from Ken McOyvey
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In a previous posting, Ken Mcvay (kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

> In other words, you know six million were not gassed, but assert it
> anyway - i.e., you lie about it. Interesting.
> 
>>	Dont you think that this sob story(more like fantasy) has gone on long
>>enough. I know that I couldn't live with a lie that big for that long, how
>>can you?
> 
> What "sob story," Mr. Evans? I've yet to see any evidence produced
> to substatiate assertions that the Holocaust did not occur. Perhaps
> you will present it for us?

It's not that no evidence has been produced; rather, like a good little
puppet, you've refused to see it.

Typical.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: I LOVE IT!!!
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Today, on a local radio talk show, a Black woman was castigating the host
for his attack on Harambee, a Black-help group that got a $40,000 grant to
open a bakery and create jobs (exclusively for the Black community).  Amid
all the incoherent rambling, the usual accusations of "racism!" came out.

I LOVE IT!!!

ONE call from an irate Black like that shows what a thousand messages from
White Power people can't:  that Blacks have no temper, can't construct
complete sentences, and are unable to accept responsibility.  It was
great, I tell you!

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (Philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>
>>>>>The Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page is now online at 
>>>>>http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/ . 
>>>>
>>>>Ah, good to see another conservative web site!
>>
>>>JITE, 
>>>
>>>It's (ie, the Stormfront White Nationalist Resource Page at
>>>http://www.accesscom.net/stormfront/.) not a conservative site, it's a
>>>racist site. As an american jew I want to get sick at the stormfront
>>>website.  I already have taken steps towards the undoing of that site,
>>>and will foward this to the media.
>>>Get a life!
>>
>>Well, we disagree on that one. Like Nazis marching in Skokie I suppose.
>>Are you denying that these racist and Christian Racist groups are 
>>conservatives?  Come on...  
>>
>>Hey, I got something to say that will piss off both the anal 
>>retentive Jews and Gays!
> 
> The only ANAL retentive people I see here, is you JITE spewing that shit 
> out of that trash mouth of yours. And if you were in front of me I, 
> would close it with a baseball bat.
> 
>>I believe that the most disgusting, repulsive, piece of shit American 
>>who ever lived was both a Jew and a Homosexual.  ROY COHN.
>>So there! :)
> 
> And I beleive the most disgusting peice of sub-human trash that exists 
> is the white nigger running around in white robes acting like clowns 
> claiming to be the master race. When in fact the only sub-human that 
> exists on the net is you JITE!!!!! If you people were the masters, how 
> were you defeated in the big one? Get a life.

You can always bring down a stag if you get enough dogs around its throat.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>Actually, the FBI stats (I believe also for 1991) show that Blacks rape
>>White women 98% of the time.  White men rape Black women only 2% of the time.
> 
> I'm willing to bet that White men (the ones that rape) ALSO rape White 
> women 98% of the time.  What does that tell us?  White women are made to 
> be more beautiful, and are glorified in the media, are made to be more 
> seductive,

Doesn't take the media to do that.

> Anyways, you're embracing the system with open arms again after denouncing
> it.  We've talked about this, haven't we?

How you figure?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nietzsche vs. Nazis (again) or, Intellectual Integrity, Anyone?
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In a previous posting, fred martenson (jfbgm2@cam.ac.uk) writes:
> [I sent this message a week ago. No one has gotten back to me yet. What's
> the matter Rick n' Les, all these long words too hard for ya?] 

No, it's just that you're not worth debating.  You make stupid and
outlandish claims about what Nietzsche REALLY said, as if we can't understand
it without having someone to TELL us what he REALLY meant.

Go play with your Sartre.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: I LOVE IT!!!
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In a previous posting, fred martenson (jfbgm2@cam.ac.uk) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Today, on a local radio talk show, a Black woman was castigating the host
>> for his attack on Harambee, a Black-help group that got a $40,000 grant to
>> open a bakery and create jobs (exclusively for the Black community).  Amid
>> all the incoherent rambling, the usual accusations of "racism!" came out.
>> 
>> I LOVE IT!!!
>> 
>> ONE call from an irate Black like that shows what a thousand messages from
>> White Power people can't:  that Blacks have no temper, can't construct
>> complete sentences, and are unable to accept responsibility.  It was
>> great, I tell you!

> Nice one, Les - your mind is a beautiful orchid aglow with coruscating
> intelligence. One black person = blacks all across america. Racism in a
> nutshell! Really - don't you have better things to do all day (like, I
> don't know, play in traffic)?

I LOVE it when guilty white liberals like you come on with this shit about
individualism.  ANYBODY who has seen Blacks before (and I have too) KNOWS
what they're like.  So keep bleating and trying to promote them - you're
not fooling anyone.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Take it over to alt.twerp.self.righteous
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In a previous posting, Mastercat (mastcat@infinet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : In a previous posting, Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
> : > From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> : >>2.  We care not at all about "fair play" for other races.  Why is this so
> : >>damn hard for you guys to understand?

> : So you AGREE with my definition of justice?  Why, THANK	you!

> So, Les, your definition of justice, if I read the above lines correctly, 
> amounts to this.
>  
> What is just is what Les Griswold defines as just *for the "white" race*, 
> and Les Griswold doesn't care at all about justice for any one else.
>  
> Thank you for finally making that clear, Les. You have FIANALLY given us 
> your position on "justice".
>  
> And, once again, you prove you are an ignorant ass, a racist, bigot, and 
> all around village idiot.

This sort of flame-baiting is disturbing the oh-so-scholarly dissertations
of the Exterminationists, who are trying to tell all of us "ignorant
asses" about how many millions (or is it billions now?) of jews were
gassed and burned.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Griswold makes more claims - can he back them up?
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In a previous posting, Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Really?  It's too bad that most Blacks would rather concentrate on the
>> OTHER three R's:
>> 
>> RAPIN' - of White women
>> RAPPIN' - to what can arguably be called "music"
>> RIOTIN' - and looting
> 
> Please provide the statistics, with reference to their source, that
> substantiate your claims above that a _majority_ of blacks (A) rape white
> women; (B) perform rap music; and (C) engage in rioting and looting.

(A)  The FBI Uniform Crime Report.

(B)  Take a look.

(C)  Also, take a look.

Could you provide US with statistics that substantiate your implication
that the majority of White Nationalists are neo-Nazis?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: Nietzsche vs. Nazis (again) or, Intellectual Integrity, Anyone?
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In a previous posting, fred martenson (jfbgm2@cam.ac.uk) writes:
> [I sent this message a week ago. No one has gotten back to me yet. What's
> the matter Rick n' Les, all these long words too hard for ya?] 

No, it's just that you're not worth debating.  You make stupid and
outlandish claims about what Nietzsche REALLY said, as if we can't understand
it without having someone to TELL us what he REALLY meant.

Go play with your Sartre.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: I LOVE IT!!!
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In a previous posting, fred martenson (jfbgm2@cam.ac.uk) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Today, on a local radio talk show, a Black woman was castigating the host
>> for his attack on Harambee, a Black-help group that got a $40,000 grant to
>> open a bakery and create jobs (exclusively for the Black community).  Amid
>> all the incoherent rambling, the usual accusations of "racism!" came out.
>> 
>> I LOVE IT!!!
>> 
>> ONE call from an irate Black like that shows what a thousand messages from
>> White Power people can't:  that Blacks have no temper, can't construct
>> complete sentences, and are unable to accept responsibility.  It was
>> great, I tell you!

> Nice one, Les - your mind is a beautiful orchid aglow with coruscating
> intelligence. One black person = blacks all across america. Racism in a
> nutshell! Really - don't you have better things to do all day (like, I
> don't know, play in traffic)?

I LOVE it when guilty white liberals like you come on with this shit about
individualism.  ANYBODY who has seen Blacks before (and I have too) KNOWS
what they're like.  So keep bleating and trying to promote them - you're
not fooling anyone.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why Jews and Blacks are Superior to White Nazis
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In a previous posting, Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:

(a whole bunch of bullbleep "statistics" and "assertions" deleted)

>    I don't recall from what source I gathered that statistic, but I do
> know from my statistics class that a small random sample from a population
> can be very representative of the larger population.

Statistics are the last resort of the special pleader.

> If I find the source for that statistic I will post it. Yes, I did post in
> response to the post, "Why niggers are inferior." I get sick of racist
> people spewing forth the same old lies and myths without seriously
> considering any other possibilities.

Have you ever considered that maybe, just MAYBE, racists keep using the
same words to describe non-Whites because a) liberal twerps like you call
EVERYTHING we say lies and myths, and b) different people keep making the
same observations about non-Whites?  Naw, didn't think so...
 
>    I believe in evolution and I also believe that a eugenics program could
> work and yet not be cruel or disadvantageous to minorities. I think
> Hitler's cruel efforts at population control has given the idea of
> eugenics a poor image that will last for a long time. Yet I believe that
> any population that used a eugenics program could advance and be ahead of
> the other world groups. I think Norplant should be given  to young girls
> and not removed until they are over age twenty. I believe that people
> should be allowed to have larger families based on intelligence and
> health. I don't believe that people with poor health or low intelligence
> should not be allowed to have children. They could have genes still needed
> by the larger population.

And they may not.  Ever consider that, you big brave eugenicist, you?

> They should be allowed one child or two and should be mated with people with
> higher intelligence or better health to offset their deficiencies.

You obviously know NOTHING about Mendelian genetics.

Your daffy compassion for those of poor heath and low intelligence will
only result in their inferior genes being hidden as recessives, until they
combine with ANOTHER recessive, and hey presto!  Genetic defects for all
posterity!

> People with higher intelligence should be mated with a cross section of the
> population to ensure that those alleles are transmitted to all sectors of
> population.

No.  Intelligent people should be mated with other intelligent people, to
further distill their intelligence.

> Thus intelligent people mate with intelligent people, but also with other
> segments of the population. 

So why don't you SAY what you mean, that intelligent people mate with
intelligent people, and UNintelligent people?  Quit beating around the bush!

>    I don't believe in marriage or religion. I believe in state controlled
> breeding and family planning. I think the country needs long range goals
> and programs that will last beyond a single generation. I think the
> country needs a stable population size. I don't want to see this country
> at a half billion or a billion people fifty or one hundred years from now.
> I am a person every bit as much on the fringe as the Nazis or Communists.

Wanna define that bit of heroism for us?

> I believe in creating an artistic, and scientific based society. I believe
> also in the power of information and having as well of an educated public
> as possible. My slogan is more school, less prisons. Right now our country
> seems headed in the direction of less government. I believe in more
> government.

The TYPE of government is just as important.  Obviously, though, in your
gerbil-like mind, government=good government.

> What we need is more motivation and more plans put into action. We need
> planners and builders to knock down the current institutions and reshape
> this country for long term goals that will
> sustain us. Democracy must go and totalitarianism by the scientists comes
> in. Otherwise a hundred years from now we will be the India or Africa and
> hardly able to feed our own population. Our petroleum reserves will be
> exhausted and our mineral base also severely depleted. A growing
> population with growing energy and mineral needs will only limit our
> future potential. With a limited population and limited resources to spend
> on educating individuals, future increases in technology and science will
> be fueled by increases in the potential of the human genetics. What the
> world needs is fewer, but higher quality children. Higher quality means
> more investment in education, medicine, feeding, and shelter. Homelessness
> in this country must end. Hungry children on the street must end.

Hoo boy, ANOTHER fruitcake.

>    Also, and this is going to sound like the culture of death, but
> abortion and euthanasia must be legalized. I don't believe in gas chambers
> or guillotines, but people should not be trapped to life in aged or
> diseased bodies. People should have the option of ending life without the
> high cost of pain and suffering. It should be as simple and painless as
> turning off a light. Also, people born to a life of drudgery because they
> lack skills and ability should not be forced to such unpleasant lives.
> Life and death should be a person's own choice. All human genetics spurn
> us to avoid pain and suffering. It is no surprise that people don't
> attempt suicide. We have to make it easier for people to live and be
> productive or find the exit door. Maybe the next world will be better.

I would have discussed further with you, but you're an obvious idiot, so I
won't.

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black on Black crime?  I think not!
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In a previous posting, Jojo Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) writes:
>>From: beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe)
>>Subject: Re: Black on Black crime?  I think not!
>>Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 22:01:31 GMT
> 
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>>: 1.  A majority of people murdered by Blacks are not Black.
> 
>>      Let's see your source for THIS one, Les!
> 
> It's the usual; he made it up as he went along.  Les wouldn't know 
> intellectual integrity if it bit him on the schvantz; he'd think it was Sylvie.

Actually, Jojo, it's the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics.

Les


--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:

>>Actually, the FBI stats (I believe also for 1991) show that Blacks rape
>>White women 98% of the time.  White men rape Black women only 2% of the time.

> I'm willing to bet that White men (the ones that rape) ALSO rape White 
> women 98% of the time.  What does that tell us?  White women are made to 
> be more beautiful, and are glorified in the media, are made to be more 
> seductive

Don't need the media for that.  White women ARE more beautiful, glorious,
and seductive.  White women are the most beautiful creation on this Earth.

> Anyways, you're embracing the system with open arms again after denouncing
> it.  We've talked about this, haven't we?

How do you figure, Reptile?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: Looking for Les
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In a previous posting, Patti Lugsdin (bg398@torfree.net) writes:
> Hey Les my names Patti. I tried to post to you at your address but it 
> seems I don't have access to it. 

That's weird.  Must be ZOG interfering with my mail.:-)

> Any way I noticed your posting from Carlton. My little brother is going 
> to be attending school there in Sept. I was wondering if you could fill 
> me in on the best neighborhoods to live in and where are the best places 
> to hang out.

It really depends on what you're looking for.

> What's your major?

Not actually taking courses at Carleton now, but I was taking a
philosophy/history course in 1986.

> Hoping your not a bonehead.

I'm not.  But why?

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Jenn doesn't like me!
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In a previous posting, Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> So what is the nature of your disability?  (besides being jewish, I mean)
> 
>> Les
> 
> Tsk, tsk, Lester.  You know, I *was* going to answer your question,
> since for once you actually phrased it politely and maturely, but you
> ruined it with that last little comment.  You just can't help
> yourself, can you?  You finally start to sound like a mature adult,
> worthy of a polite response, but then you can't resist adding a
> childish insult to your statements.  It's too bad; I was starting to
> believe there was some hope for you after all...

OH NO!!!  I'm no longer admirable in Jenn's eyes!  Oh, WHATEVER shall I do?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why?
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In a previous posting, eco2b (A.Livnat@Latrobe.Edu.au) writes:
> Just out of curiousity, what is exactly wrong with Blacks and Jews?  If 
> I'm correct, neo-nazis do not know any sane Black or Jew.  How can you judge
> people through that?  Did your parents tell you?  What is the "Black 
> Person" and the "Jewish Conspiracy"?  Having been a Jew all my life,
> it's the first I've heard of it.  Why hate someone for their religion 
> and how much pigment they have in the skin?  Jewish people are relatively
> harmless,

BWAHAHAHA!!!

> and the colour of Black people's skin is a great adaptation from their
> original envioronment.

So, why don't we send them BACK to their "original environment", so they
can PROVE how well adapted they are to it?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>You chose the right word when you said "rumors".  You could also have said
>>"propaganda".  And his real name was Schicklegruber, right?  And he only
>>had one nut, right?
> 
> 	Wasn't his mother's name originally "Schicklegruber?"

So?  My mother's maiden name was not Griswold.

> And I've heard Hitler was "monorchid" (that is, having but one testicle;
> it's a fairly common condition which doesn't usually interfere with sexual 
> potency, although Adolf was also rumored to be a dud in the sack).

Your bum-buddies on alt.revisionism would love this:  sources, please
(other than Allied propaganda, I mean).

>>Not surprisingly, you miss my point, Kevin:  IF Hitler was indeed a
>>part-jew, then a part-jew was responsible for the "Holocaust".  The kikes
>>weren't thinking when they baked THAT one up!
> 
> 	Perhaps racially Hitler had a bit of Jewish blood in him (then 
> again, perhaps he didn't); he certainly wasn't raised as a member of the 
> Jewish religion or the Jewish culture.  And I think that was produced by 
> the Allies rather than any Jewish order.  I doubt that the Jews are 
> really excited about claiming Hitler as one of their own.

Hitler defamers always allege that Hitler being one little bit jewish MADE
him jewish, but then they blanch at the realization that, according to
their argument, a fellow yid was responsible for their dreaded "Shoah".

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: None
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In a previous posting, Josh Klein (jaklein@news.amherst.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> O.K., fucknuts, just this once I'll play your little numbers game.
> 
> Les begins by opening the debate on his customary refined and scholarly note.
> 
>> The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
>> of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
>> of White men raping Black females.
> 
> How many cases of White men raping white women, Les? 

Cute evasion there.  I notice COMPLETE silence regarding the numbers I
posted.

> 1) That white men maintained (often against their white wives' wishes)
> a system which granted them absolute title to black women's bodies,
> and that this priviledge resulted in the birth of lots of light-skinned
> slave children -- most of whom were never acknowledged by their 
> fathers.  There's nothing new about masters raping slaves, of course.
> (Tolstoy's diaries -- and his wife's as well -- show clearly his
> exploits.)  What is interesting is the way the story has gotten turned
> around in the service of white-supremecist hate-mongers.  You don't need
> to read Malcolm X's _Autobiography_ (where he talks aboout his family's
> knowledge of their white ancestors) to realize that a system which granted
> absolute power to white men would result in the abuse of black
> women.

Oh, cripes.  All (White) slave owners were beasts, eh?

> 2) A number of the cries of rape presumably came from white women
> who had willingly consented to sex, but realized that pregnancy
> presented them with a predicament.  It is, of course, perfectly
> natural for human beings of any race to be attracted to each other.
> But the attraction is probably reinforced by the existence of certain
> cultural taboos.  In short, it is hard not to believe that a large
> number of rape accusations came from women trying to cover up
> their willingness to engage in sex with blacks.

Actually, it IS hard to believe that a large number of rape accusations
come from women covering up.  It's not hard to believe that a few of them
stem from such chicanery, but your suggestion that MOST of them do is pure
unadulterated bull-puckey.

> 3) Finally, an eminently logical man such as yourself can not overlook
> the fact that people quite often lie.  Certain patterns of false  
> accusation have become famous through history -- witch trials,
> blood libel, and the Stalinist "time of trouble" have showed
> the world that there are many motivations for making false
> accusations.  Of course a minority -- such as blacks -- subject
> to discrimination in every other arena would be subject as well
> to malicious and false accusations. 

So, the best way to redress these alleged grievances is to retroactively
apply ACLU standards of discrimination to the past, and start discriminating
against the descendants of the "discriminators", right?

> [Les answers a question re: South Africa.]
> 
>> Before it was turned over to the ANC, it was the ONLY country in all of
>> Africa that I would have even CONSIDERED moving to.  How 'bout you? (be
>> honest now)
> 
> Well, Les, I haven't seriously considered moving ANYWHERE else in the
> world.

Me neither.  This is OUR territory, and we're not going to run away and
cede it to the liberal whimps like you.

Les


--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 6 Million? who cares?
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> 	4) You obviously believe that the missing Jews of Eastern Europe 
> are now in New York and Miami Beach.

And you obviously believe that they aren't.

> Can you provide me with some evidence of this? Why don't you check U.S.
> immigration statistics; they should show pretty plainly whether or not these
> millions of missing Jews all moved to New York.

Do you mean before or after "jew" was no longer a racial classification,
and jews called themselves as "German", "Polish", "Hungarian", etc.,
depending on their country of origin?

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 	I made no such implication.
> : You sure as hell did.  EVERYONE can detect your implied "White skin
> : baaad!" bleating.
> 
> 	No, I did not.

Did too. (I can see where THIS is going!)

> : You need an explanation of how high technology denotes civilization? 
> : Well, what DOES it denote?  Savagery?
> 
> 	That's what I've been wondering.

Well, then, Mikey, would you please explain the thought processes you
followed to conclude that high technology does NOT denote civilization?  I
promise not to interrupt.

Les


--
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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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Subject: Re: The gaps in numbers
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In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:

(snip)

>     I don't think they need peanut butter over in Africa, jack ass. 
> Carver probably invented it for whites so they would keep their damn
> mouths shut.  I think I offered you a whole lot more than peanut butter
> and small Nazi dicks.  I sent to you and posted publicly a note entitled
> FOR WHITES ONLY.  Whattsamatta,  your tutor wasn't there to read the notes
> to you?  The accomplishments by the blacks that I indicated in the posts
> are far from anything you could muster.  So who did you say was swinging
> from trees again?

And you totally ignored my posting entitled, "Yoo hoo!  Negrophiles!". 
Typical.  It blew big holes in your "Black is beautiful and inventive!"
argument, so you just ignored it and carried on with your "great Black
historical figures" bullshit.

Fact is, monkey-boy, that NO so-called "Black man" could have accomplished
ANYTHING without the infrasturcture of civilization built by Whites.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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In a previous posting, Your Ancestor (home) writes:
> I don't know who you really are, but that's not very important for the
> sake of this conversation. What is important is that you were able to
> speak your mind. I am glad to learn that you are able to reach a whole new
> audience via the Internet. 
> 
> I used to wish I was born without melanin in my skin.
> I used to think that whites were better than non-whites.
> I used to think that the melanin in my skin meant that I was somehow
> inferior. Let me say that my best friends were white. Even today one of my
> best friends is white. Quite candidly, I think my view towards whites was
> partially a result of growing up in a predominantly white neighborhood and
> watching too much television in the '70s
> 
> That all changed after a test my son took revealed that he had an IQ of
> 140. That all changed when I learned that my wife's brother attended MIT
> on a full academic scholarship. [He graduated near the top of his class.]
> These bits of information affirmed in my mind that color alone does not
> dictate a person's mental capacity. 
> 
> Sir, the values that I teach my three children focus around the three R's:
> Respect, Responsibility, and Reputation.
> 
> RESPECT - for self.
> RESPONSIBILITY - for one's actions.
> REPUTATION - Your's will either open or close doors.

Really?  It's too bad that most Blacks would rather concentrate on the
OTHER three R's:

RAPIN' - of White women
RAPPIN' - to what can arguably be called "music"
RIOTIN' - and looting

> These fundamental R's CAN transcend racial and ethnic boundaries if one
> gives the three R's a chance.
> 
> I tell my children that I am in the process of raising three leaders, NOT
> professional followers. However, I tell them constantly that in order to
> be effective leaders, they must become effective listeners.
> 
> If there is anything in this posting that you disagree with, please let
> me, as well as the readers of this posting, know at your earliest
> convenience.

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: None
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In a previous posting, Josh Klein (jaklein@news.amherst.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> Really?  It's too bad that most Blacks would rather concentrate on the
>> OTHER three R's:
> 
>> RAPIN' - of White women
> [other garbage deleted]
> 
> That's strange, Les.  I don't really believe that there is an especially 
> high rate of black rapings "of white women."

O.K., fucknuts, just this once I'll play your little numbers game.

The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
of White men raping Black females.

> What I do know is that
> white supremicists like yourself (and many a great deal more intelligent
> than yourself) supported for years and years a system which featured
> the legally sanctioned rape of black women by white men.  I'm talking, of
> course, about slavery -- where a white master was, of course, given
> title to the body of his black slaves.  Slave narratives such as
> "Our Nig" make clear how this disgusting state of affairs operated.

Jeepers.  Next is the "Thomas Jefferson had a Black mistress" tripe.

> Now, Les, instead of repeating the sort of hate-filled trash that was
> responsible for years of lynchings, why don't you transfer yourself
> over to alt.fuckhead.does.not.belong.in.a.civilized.country.
> Why didn't you ever move to South Africa when you had the chance
> earlier?

Before it was turned over to the ANC, it was the ONLY country in all of
Africa that I would have even CONSIDERED moving to.  How 'bout you? (be
honest now)

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Your Ancestor (home) writes:
> I don't know who you really are, but that's not very important for the
> sake of this conversation. What is important is that you were able to
> speak your mind. I am glad to learn that you are able to reach a whole new
> audience via the Internet. 
> 
> I used to wish I was born without melanin in my skin.
> I used to think that whites were better than non-whites.
> I used to think that the melanin in my skin meant that I was somehow
> inferior. Let me say that my best friends were white. Even today one of my
> best friends is white. Quite candidly, I think my view towards whites was
> partially a result of growing up in a predominantly white neighborhood and
> watching too much television in the '70s
> 
> That all changed after a test my son took revealed that he had an IQ of
> 140. That all changed when I learned that my wife's brother attended MIT
> on a full academic scholarship. [He graduated near the top of his class.]
> These bits of information affirmed in my mind that color alone does not
> dictate a person's mental capacity. 
> 
> Sir, the values that I teach my three children focus around the three R's:
> Respect, Responsibility, and Reputation.
> 
> RESPECT - for self.
> RESPONSIBILITY - for one's actions.
> REPUTATION - Your's will either open or close doors.

Really?  It's too bad that the vast majority of Blacks are more interested
in ANOTHER three R's:

RAPIN' - of White women
RAPPIN' - to what can arguably be called "music"
RIOTIN' - and looting

> These fundamental R's CAN transcend racial and ethnic boundaries if one
> gives the three R's a chance.
> 
> I tell my children that I am in the process of raising three leaders, NOT
> professional followers. However, I tell them constantly that in order to
> be effective leaders, they must become effective listeners.
> 
> If there is anything in this posting that you disagree with, please let
> me, as well as the readers of this posting, know at your earliest
> convenience.

Hey!  Rush Limbaugh in black-face!

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: More Black inventions...
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In a previous posting, Iguana (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

> The reason I take so much offense against people that say "we invented 
> this, we accomplished that" is beacuse it assumes that if, for example I 
> was White, and I invent a great thing, I'd like to get credit for it, 
> not my race.  The Wright brothers were the first to invent the glider, 
> and thew first humans to soar, and as INDIVIDUALS they were 
> geniouses...because they were from North Carolina...does that make 
> everyone from N.Carolina brilliant?  Or because they were men, does that 
> make men in general any better at pioloting aeroplanes than women?

North Carolina is a POLITICAL division, not a racial one.

As for women, in the majority of cases, men DO make better pilots than
women.  But ya ever hear of Hanna Reisch, the best test pilot in the Third
Reich, whom Hitler awarded the Iron Cross?

(snip)

> MULTI-culturalism...meaning multiple cultures.  It doesn't mean that you 
> as a White man can't have a culture,

Bullshit and you know it.

> all it means is that other races can practice thiers in peace.  Are you
> grouping Affirmative Action with Multiculturalism?  Because they're two
> different things.  I'd actually like your definition of multiculturalism,
> just to see what you're confusing it with.  

And it's quite obvious that YOU are DELIBERATELY using "multicultural" to
mean "multiracial".  There are PLENTY of cultures among the White race
(even enough to satisfy most "multiculturalism" freaks):  Russian, German,
French, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, etc. etc.  Get the point?

We don't need to import some pathetic "refugees" from the Third World to
"enrich" our "diversity".  If I REALLY wanted to enjoy Somali "culture"
(BWAHAHAHA!!!), I'd go to the source, instead of seeing the half-assed
version that is artificially created here.

Les
 

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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alt.politics.nationalism.white 
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Hey, you don't need to take our word for it, or listen to the kvetching of
the jews, who don't like it being mentioned.  Just go to your cupboards,
and have a look at all those products with the funny little symbols on them!

Les
--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) writes:
> Les wrote:
> ::Don't need the media for that.  White women ARE more beautiful,
> glorious,
> ::and seductive.  White women are the most beautiful creation on this
> Earth.
> 
> Thanks Les...both me and Sylvie appreciate that.  You made my day!

They are!  Small wonder that every coon wants one!

Les

--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: FTP sites
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In a previous posting, Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) wrote:
>> Umm. Jewess, I think for many skins, Mr..Johnson information is skinhead
>> related.  Don't even profess to know what we are or how we do things.  You
>> don't have a clue and that is the way we like it.  By the way, since you
>> are such a good Jewish girl, would you mind explaining the Kosher tax to
>> us all??
> 
> Let me put this to you simply, in point form, so that you can
> understand this:
> 
> - The name is Jenn.  You may call me Jenn.  You may call me by my
> nickname, X-Chelsea.  You may call me Ma'am.  You may even call me
> "Your Royal Highness, Dictator-for-Life of ZOG."  Don't call me
> Jewess, I am not a generic female to be referred to by a sweeping
> generalization.
> 
> - You may *think* that the previous sites were skinhead-related.  In
> fact, you may *think* whatever the heck you darn well please (though,
> in light of your limited capacity for intelligence, I'd be careful not
> to overextend myself if I were you).  However, I can say with total
> confidence that it is a *fact* that they are *not* skinhead-related
> sites, but rather pages of neo-nazi drivel, which, by definition of
> the history of the skinhead subculture, cannot possibly have anything
> to do with skins.
> 
> - "The way *we* do things"?  The way *who* does *what*?  I'm sorry,
> but I can't seem to recall claiming to understand the logic of the mentally
> self-limiting such as yourself...though I must say that you sound a
> bit like a paranoid schizophrenic, sitting there mumbling about "we"
> and "us" and referring to various devious plots which apparently no
> one outside of your little world can possibly understand...
> 
> - I don't ever recall having claimed to be a "Good Little Jewish Girl."
> 
> - I don't see what this mythical "Kosher Tax" has to do with
> skinhead-related FTP sites.  Perhaps you could explain?  If, indeed,
> you can tell me exactly which "Kosher Tax" you're referring to (I
> can't seem to recall anything about it in our government's last budget
> report or, indeed, in any of the budget reports, though perhaps it's
> different in *your* world ), and, indeed, what it has to do
> with this conversation, other than changing the subject to distract
> people from the fact that you haven't a clue what you're babbling
> about, I would be happy to oblige.

Maybe the Kosher Tax wasn't mentioned in the last budget because Paul
Martin knows better than that.

(I was gonna delete most of Jenn's drivel, but then I figured that I'd
leave it:  it speaks volumes about Jewish character, or lack thereof)

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HITLER'S BIRTHDAY
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In a previous posting, Stephan Monette (bp254@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Voxpop 75 (voxpop75@aol.com) writes:
>> You wrote:
>> 
>>>We are having a celebration in honor of Hitler's birthday in two weeks. 
>>>Our 14 words brothers and sisters are invited...email if interested. 
>>>      14 words and 88
>> ____________________________
>> This is strange.  How do you celebrate the birthday of a man who is, to
>> this day, held responsible by the vast majority of this planet for the
>> murder of millions of people?  There's not much to celebrate there.  Do
>> you get a day from school off to celebrate Adolf Hitler day?

I don't go to school, but the kiddies should.

>> Do you throw a big party in his honor woth a cake and everything?

Wouldn't you like to know?

>> "the opposite of love is not hate; it is indifference"
>>                                        --Elie Weisel                      
>  Indifference stems from what? >   

Over-exposure, I'd guess.  

Les


--
Liberalism is not a philosophy, but a disease of the soul.

		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: RE: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, Nick Fitt (nickfitt@aol.com) writes:
> Yeah... well you forgot that Jews, Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, and
> Zulus made many advances in the sciences and math. As did the Ottomans and
> the Moors. Get educated and see where most of the technology came from.
> Look at nations like Japan and China (who is poised to become the next
> superpower). Look at a country like the United States... deep in debt and
> lagging behind other nations because of idiots like you. I suggest you
> know the facts before you spout off crap. People who type in all caps are
> usually stupid. Also remember that the English (my country) beat the
> germans several times. If the "Aryans" were so "superior" they wouldn't
> have lost WWII. And actually Aryans are the WHITE PEOPLE OF INDIA... no
> not the conquering Englishman... the naturally born whites. Hitler was a
> balding old fat man

No, that was Churchill.

> (who happened to be 1/8 Jewish, check the records there big chief)was the
> "master race".

I LOVE this one.

So, you're saying that a jew was responsible for the "Holocaust"? 
Quick!!!  Better tell the Simon Wiesenthal Center!!!

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> TsoloL1 (tsolol1@aol.com) wrote:
> : LOOK AT WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY= WHITE PEOPLE USING INFERIOR
> : RACES OF PEOPLE, = ALL NON WHITES.
> 
> 	Ah!  Therefore, if I were to point a gun at you and tell you to 
> get on the boat, you'd be "inferior".  How does race play a rule?

Indeed.  So, how does race play a role when it comes time to handing out
government goodies?  If the government can define "visible minorities",
(and always manages to throw faggots in there), why can't we?

>  > :  LOOK AT THE WORLD NEWS= ALL THE WHITE COUNTRIES IN EUROPE
> : ARE MODERN AND CIVILIZED. EXEPTION MADE FOR RUSSIA AND
> 
> 	Please explain how high technology denotes civilization.

Please explain how technological inferiority denotes moral superiority.

(snip)

> : LOOK AT THE NEGROID COUNTRIES= ALL OF AFRICA, MOST OF ASIA AND
> : MOST OF THE CARRIBEAN ISLANDS, LIKE HAITI. ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES AND
> : CONTINENTS ARE RUN BY SUB HUMAN, NON INTELLIGENT NEGRO RACE PEOPLES. THE
> 
> 	Ska, reggae, and rocksteady came from Jamaica.

So do posses and ganja.  Thank you O Jamaica for the boons of music, gangs
and drugs!

(much leftist apologia for non-White non-performance deleted)

> : ONLY INTELLIGENCE THEY 
> : HAVE IN THERE WIDE NOSE, SLOPING FORHEAD SKULLS CAME FROM THE WHITE ARYAN
> : RACES THAT ENSLAVED THEM AND SPREAD THEIR
> 
> 	Funny, I seem to recall Aryans being from the Indus valley.

So are Dravidians.

> : SUPERIOR GENES AND DNA THROUGH THE NEGOID GENE POOL BY
> 
> 	Gee, "negoids"?  What are "negoids"?

Kaffirs.  Niggers.  Blacks.  Coloured people.  Gawd, are you REALLY that
stupid?

>  > : PARTICIPATING IN BEASTIALITY WITH THE SLAVES THEY WERE MASTERS
> : TO. IF YOU THINK THIS IS NOT TRUE LOOK AT WASHINGTON DC, IT IS
> : A NIGGER AND SPIC AND CHINK AND JEW RUN CITY, AND THEY CANNOT EVEN BALANCE
> : THEIR BOOKS. THEY HAVE A FORMER CRACK ADDICT 
> : FOR A MAYOR WHO IS AN APE LOOKKKING NIGGER TO BOOT!
> 
> 	Uhn.  DC is the capital of the country.  And you're denouncing 
> it.  You must not be an American nationalist, then? 

Obviously not.  He's a WHITE Nationalist.  Why do you twerps always try to
resort to the "my country, right or wrong" argument?

> : MY FRIENDS, THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE THE TRUTH AND THE BLACKS AND JEWS AND
> : ALL NON WHITE RACES KNOW IT IS THE TRUTH.
> 
> 	I still don't understand how a religion can equate with a race on 
> any level.

Ask the jews.  THEY have no problem with identifying themselves as a race,
when it suits them (and defining other races, either).

(remaining leftist bleating deleted)

Les


--
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Puerto Ricans
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In a previous posting, J Sanz (jsanz@aol.com) writes:
> I still want know how badly do you hate us compared to blacks.  List other
> races on your shit list.  

It's simple:  Puerto Rico is not a racial division, it's a political one. 
Like Cuba.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why Blacks and Jews are superior to White Nazis.
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In a previous posting, TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) writes:
> Jenn wrote:
> .::  I mean, we've been persecuted for centuries
> ::upon centuries, and yet here we are, still fighting, still leaving
> ::such a strong mark on the societies in which we move
> 
>      The jewish peoples have been persecuted because they have done things
> wrong.  It is a total fallacy to think that for all the times they have
> been chased out of countries and such, that they have done nothing to
> warrarnt this.  

Yeah.  If jews are so "superior", one would think that they would have
LEARNED by now.

But I guess they're too good for that.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Looking for Les
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In a previous posting, TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) writes:
> Jenn wrote:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> In a previous posting, Patti Lugsdin (bg398@torfree.net) writes:
>> > Hey Les my names Patti. I tried to post to you at your address but it 
>> > seems I don't have access to it. 
> 
>> That's weird.  Must be ZOG interfering with my mail.:-)
> 
> For chrissakes, Lester, have you nothing better to do with your time
> than flirt with an unsuspecting *non*-racist who hasn't yet discovered
> what  a sleaze you are?  I know we at ZOG certainly have better things
> to do than read *your* mail...
> 
>> > Any way I noticed your posting from Carlton. My little brother is
> going 
>> > to be attending school there in Sept. I was wondering if you could
> fill 
>> > me in on the best neighborhoods to live in and where are the best
> places 
>> > to hang out.
> 
>> It really depends on what you're looking for.
> 
> Um, Les-than-worthy-of-respect? I believe it's fairly obvious from her
> last comment that it ain't *you* she's lookin' for...
> 
>> > Hoping your not a bonehead.
> 
>> I'm not.  But why?
> 
> Oh, come now Les...don't you think you're withholding the truth just a
> *little*?  True, you're not a bonehead, but you neglect to mention
> that the *reason* you can't be considered a bonehead by definition is
> not that your politics don't fit the description, but that you're not
> a *skinhead* to begin with...talk about selective truth-telling... 
> 
>> Les-than-trustworthy
> 
> 
> I think that his resoonse was courteous and decent.  You shouldn't stick
> your big old jew schnoze into places it isn't wanted.

She can't help it (it's that jewish thang).

Les


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		-- Dr. William L. Pierce


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Hee Hee! 
> 
> Nice to see my fellow ZOG agents out 'n about, making life difficult
> for Les-than-intelligent and his friends :)
> 
> Just don't forget that here on alt.skinheads, I'm the official Jew
> (sorry Alex, but I claimed the title first ).
> 
> Gee, looking at all these names and far-flung e-mail addresses, one
> would almost think that we've got yet another conspiratorial monopoly
> going on--watch out, nazis, we're taking over the info-highway! 
> 
> Jenn
> Jewish, Female, disabled skinhead

So what is the nature of your disability?  (besides being jewish, I mean)

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>> (who happened to be 1/8 Jewish, check the records there big chief)was the
>>> "master race".
>>
>>I LOVE this one.
>>
>>So, you're saying that a jew was responsible for the "Holocaust"? 
>>Quick!!!  Better tell the Simon Wiesenthal Center!!!
>>
>>Les
> 
> 	I had heard rumors that Hitler had a Jewish grandparent as well. 
> Supposedly one of his parents (his father, I think) was illegitimate; his
> grandmother (?) was working for a Jewish family as a maid at the time she
> had him, or something like that. (His grandmother later married his
> grandfather but the child may not have been his) I've heard that it's
> true, and I've heard that it was apocryphal.  The world may never know, I
> guess.   I don't have any of my history books handy at present (they're 
> all in a box somewhere in Pennsylvania) so I can't tell one way or the other.

You chose the right word when you said "rumors".  You could also have said
"propaganda".  And his real name was Schicklegruber, right?  And he only
had one nut, right?

> 	As to Hitler having a little bit of Jewish blood in him... he 
> wouldn't be the first self-hating racist.  You spout on and on about 
> "negrophilic" and "semitophilic" Whites... why shouldn't you have an 
> "Aryanophile" Jew? 

Not surprisingly, you miss my point, Kevin:  IF Hitler was indeed a
part-jew, then a part-jew was responsible for the "Holocaust".  The kikes
weren't thinking when they baked THAT one up!

> 	There was a guy in the German-American Friendship Society who  
> promoted the "Today's Jews Are Khazars" line and called himself an 
> "honorary Aryan," even though he was of Jewish descent.  I'll ask about 
> him on alt.revisionism and get back to you with the name.  

Kevin, the world is full of assholes.  And the "Nazi" leader who organized
 the march through Skokie, Illinois, was the half-jew pedophile Frank
Cullen.  So?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Indeed.  So, how does race play a role when it comes time to handing out
> : government goodies?  If the government can define "visible minorities",
> : (and always manages to throw faggots in there), why can't we?
> 
> 	Sorry, lost my head there.  Every once in awhile I get this idea 
> that people see farther than something as insignificant as race.
> 
> 	But in the real world, people are stupid.
> 
> : > 	Please explain how high technology denotes civilization.
> 
> : Please explain how technological inferiority denotes moral superiority.
> 
> 	I made no such implication.

You sure as hell did.  EVERYONE can detect your implied "White skin
baaad!" bleating.

You need an explanation of how high technology denotes civilization? 
Well, what DOES it denote?  Savagery?

> : So do posses and ganja.  Thank you O Jamaica for the boons of music, gangs
> : and drugs!
> 
> 	Ganja is indigenous to the middle east.  Crack open a book.  I 
> don't believe the "gang" concept was created in Jamaica.  I think it's 
> been around a lot longer than that.

No, but it sure as hell was adopted and refined by them.

(snip)

> : Ask the jews.  THEY have no problem with identifying themselves as a race,
> : when it suits them (and defining other races, either).
> 
> 	Okay, then explain to me why there was never any little circle 
> with the word "Jewish" next to it when I took standardized tests in 
> primary and secondary school.  Are all Jews supposed to fill out the 
> circle marked "other"?

I said, when it suits them, fuckface.  Obviously, it doesn't suit them to
identify themselves as a race most of the time.  THEN, they're just
ordinary people who happen to go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Compensation! (and I don't mean welfare!)
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In a previous posting,  (an233756@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> Dear Mr Depta:
> 
> 
> Say what you will about us black males, but this much is true:
> 
> 	Our cocks are both longer and thicker than yours.

The Creator's compensation for making you stupid and ugly.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Stormfront White Nationalist WWW Page
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In a previous posting, Philip Kirschner (philk@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> Don Black,
> 
> What about the white trash that's on welfare down south? What about the
> alcholic, cigar smoking HICKS who beleive in hate and filth. You hide
> behind a PO box Klansmen, you don't have position to stand on. In your
> mind nigger is blacks on welfare, well let me tell you something. You
> are more of a nigger then I have ever seen. You are benneth my shoes,
> your the ants that america steped on durring world war 2 ass!

My!!!  Such hostility!  Not to mention the use of the same stereotypes
that jews jump all over us for using...

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Uh, not really...(was: Griswold makes up rape stats)
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In a previous posting, Charles R.L. Power (karlpov@access3.digex.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>O.K., fucknuts, just this once I'll play your little numbers game.
> 
>>The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
>>of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
>>of White men raping Black females.
> 
> OK, shitbrain, I'll play your little game. I looked up the FBI's Uniform 
> Crime Reports for the United States for 1988, released Sunday, August 6, 
> 1989, x+355p., and there is no such statistic. Pages 15-17 are devoted to 
> forcible rape. We learn that there were 92,486 cases recorded in 1988 (up 
> from 91,111 in 1987), that this comes to 37.6 (up from 37.4) per 100,000 
> population, and that 53% of the perpetrators were white, 46% black, the 
> remainder "other." There is no breakdown at all of victims by race. (The 
> only cross-breakdown of perpetrators and victims by race--white, black 
> and "other"--is in the section on murder.)
> 
> So, Les, did you make up this lying bullshit all by yourself, or did you 
> copy it from some other liar? Do you use these same sources for the rest 
> of the bullshit you post?

Hey, got a problem with it?  Take it up with ADV.

Les


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Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Eddie (eddie@primenet.com) writes:
> In article Shane Henry writes:
> 
>>With that said, why post this bigotted sh*t to misc.survivalism?  This is
>>exactly the kind of crap that is driving this list into the ground with a
>>low signal to noise ratio.  
> 
>>In the future, please take this kind of garbage to rec.guns (where the
>>esteemed moderator will almost certainly bounce it), talk.politics.guns
>>(where you'll get flamed from here to Mars for posting such garbage), or
>>to other "appropriate ethnic newsgroups", whatever they might be.
> 
>>Shane C. Henry, Member NRA, GOA, JPFO

> I know I'll catch ---- for this, but I really don't mind racists postings.  I 
> for one allways want to know who the enemy is.  As long as I see them clearly, 
> I know I'm o.k.  it's when I don't see or hear them I start to worry.  Maybe 
> they posted to the wrong group, but at least we know who and what they are.  
> Now they can't hide.

Thanks for your candour.

It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
"patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.

Les

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In a previous posting, Salamander (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>4> Crack
> 
> Crack, all things considered is a rather complex chemical process...by 
> saying that a Black invented crack, you're admiting that at least one 
> has a MUCH higher IQ than yourself.  Also considering that crack was 
> first marketed towards LA yuppies that wanted a bigger buzz than coke, 
> the Black that invented it was thinking in terms of marketing as well.

And he made such an ALTRUISTIC and SELFLESS contribution!

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Militant jews!
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In a previous posting, Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:

>>I just love the spate of jews now who are bragging about the military
>>power of Israel, and how that "proves" that jews got cajones. 
> 
> Really?  Can you, like, quote an example?

Sure.  Anything by Phillip Kirschner is pretty good.  Bruce Lewis also
seems to be making some inroads in that direction.

Les


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: 6 Million? who cares?
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>> 	4) You obviously believe that the missing Jews of Eastern Europe 
>> are now in New York and Miami Beach.
>
>And you obviously believe that they aren't.
>
>> Can you provide me with some evidence of this? Why don't you check U.S.
>> immigration statistics; they should show pretty plainly whether or not these
>> millions of missing Jews all moved to New York.
>
>Do you mean before or after "jew" was no longer a racial classification,
>and jews called themselves as "German", "Polish", "Hungarian", etc.,
>depending on their country of origin?

Look, fucknuts (if I may quote your favorite expression), YOU MADE THE
CLAIM; you claimed that all (or most of) the jews supposedly missing
in the WWII era are in NYC or Miami Beach.

One presumes there was some reason you made that claim, did god
whisper this in your ear Les? What?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

Let's put it another way:

	Please explain to us exactly how we may distinguish
	you and your unorthodox, to say the least, claims
	from the uncontrolled ravings of an insane person?

Or is the shock of someone taking you at your word just beyond your
conception to respond to?

I can believe it's a whole new concept for you, you're probably so
accustomed to people just saying "oh Les, he's just a moron, don't pay
him any mind" you don't know what to do when someone asks "why do you
say this, Les?"

So, in a perhaps vain attempt to treat you like a member of the human
race here's your opportunity: WHY DID YOU SAY THIS?

Feel free to crawl back into your sociopathic womb and remind us all
never to treat you like a human being again.


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 6 Million? who cares?
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> Can you provide me with some evidence of this? Why don't you check U.S.
>>> immigration statistics; they should show pretty plainly whether or not these
>>> millions of missing Jews all moved to New York.
>>
>>Do you mean before or after "jew" was no longer a racial classification,
>>and jews called themselves as "German", "Polish", "Hungarian", etc.,
>>depending on their country of origin?
>>
>>Les
> 
> 	OK, I'll bite, Les.  Let's run a check on immigration into the 
> United States by _Europeans_ from the time period 1933-1945.  I think it 
> will prove interesting, in any event.  Unless I'm mistaken, FDR tightened 
> immigration regulations during that period, mainly to avoid an influx of 
> fleeing Jews.

Do you blame him?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>> 	OK, I'll bite, Les.  Let's run a check on immigration into the 
>> United States by _Europeans_ from the time period 1933-1945.  I think it 
>> will prove interesting, in any event.  Unless I'm mistaken, FDR tightened 
>> immigration regulations during that period, mainly to avoid an influx of 
>> fleeing Jews.
>
>Do you blame him?

Les thinks he's being clever.

No doubt an example of the wit and charm that has gotten him so far in
life...loser.


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 6 Million? who cares?
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In a previous posting, Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In message  - bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Gr
> iswold) writes:
>>
>>> Can you provide me with some evidence of this? Why don't you check U.S.
>>> immigration statistics; they should show pretty plainly whether or not these
>>> millions of missing Jews all moved to New York.
>>
>>Do you mean before or after "jew" was no longer a racial classification,
>>and jews called themselves as "German", "Polish", "Hungarian", etc.,
>>depending on their country of origin?
> 
> Hi Les.  Pleased to meet you (don't get too enthused--I said that to an 
> earwig one time).

So, you talk to bugs, eh?  Not surprising.

> Do you propose that Jews, and others, are independent of where they were
> born and grew up?

Yep.

> So that a Jew born in Germany is not really a Jew, but something else?

No, a jew born in Germany is not really a GERMAN.  Get it right.

> Or are you simply an asshole?

Look who's talking.  At least I don't talk to bugs.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Alister Air, mincing faggot
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <1995Apr11.060408.134@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
>   wrote:
> 
>> I'll say "yes" that fags and dikes cannot give logical nor reasonable
>>responses. This is due to one simple fact: Homosexuality is wrong, it is NOT
>>a choice NOR an "alternative" lifestyle. It IS a mental disorder that should
>>be dealt with accordingly. It is not natural, it defies the laws of nature,
>>natural selection and "survival of the fittest". I've even heard some had the
>>gall enough to say it is genetic. Please, if it was you wouldn't be here. But
>>personally I wish more of you nigger lovers and jew syimpathizer were gay, this
>>way lessmore of you ignorant and self-induced-blfuckers would be replicating
>>and spreading the foolish ideas you hold dear. G'day, Alister F-Air-y..
>>All the homosexuals and other severly mentally disabled should be dealt with
>>very sternly.............Operation T-4 sounds good to me.
> 
> Not natural, you say, not genetic... There are gay dolphins, gay dogs, 
> gay apes...hell, you name it mammal wise, there's probably a gay one 
> somewhere.

Typical.  You extend human morality to animals.  I know that for dogs and
apes, so-called "homosexuality" is a means of establishing rank.

> So tell me, do Dogs make this lifestyle choice?  Anyhow, why 
> would you hate gays so profoundly?  I mean, if you're not gay, don't 
> worry, you're in the clear!  If you don't hang out in gay bars, you're 
> not going to get people picking you up.

"If you don't bother that hornet, it won't sting you!"

If homos stopped rubbing our noses in their filth, they'd find a lot less
resentment.  But the militant fags LOVE this friction:  it allows them to
propagate their "us-vs-them" mentality, and keep even the moderate swishes
antagonistic toward the heterosexual majority.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) wrote:
> : The Torah specifically states that it is alright to charge a non Jew
> : higher taxes soley on the merit of the fact of one being a non Jew.
> 
> 	And it's an outdated religious document.  Next...

Don't tell the jews that!  Although the Talmud is much more central to
judaism, they still put a lot of stock in the Torah, too.  Example?

Tell a jew that since the Torah is full of exhortations to commit
genocide, they are under the same obligation to change it as Christians
were under obligation to remove all references to jews as "Christ-killers"
in the New Testament (this took place in the mid '70s).  Or, tell 'em that
they can't criticize the Spanish Inquisition, since those Christians were
only following the word of God (or their interpretation).

Hissy fits?  That's the LEAST of it...

Les

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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Tell a jew that since the Torah is full of exhortations to commit
> : genocide, they are under the same obligation to change it as Christians
> : were under obligation to remove all references to jews as "Christ-killers"
> : in the New Testament (this took place in the mid '70s).  Or, tell 'em that
> : they can't criticize the Spanish Inquisition, since those Christians were
> : only following the word of God (or their interpretation).
> 
> 	Well, that's just stupid.

But true nonetheless.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Voxpop 75 (voxpop75@aol.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>>Actually, the FBI stats (I believe also for 1991) show that Blacks rape
>>White women 98% of the time.  White men rape Black women only 2% of >the
> time.
> 
>>Les
> _______________________
> Why Les, your knowledge amazes me.  Did it ever occur to you that rape is
> a brutal crime, and when a person commits a crime that serious, they
> should be tried by an unbiased courtroom and seen before a jury of their
> peers?  And that race should play no role in this?  If you rape someone,
> your a sick person, and it doesn't matter if you're black, white or
> whatever.

I agree with you that rape is a brutal crime.  However, if one notices a
TREND in the perpetrators, doesn't that MAYBE require a little investigation?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Puerto Ricans
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In a previous posting, J Sanz (jsanz@aol.com) writes:
> Can you elaborate on this.
> 
> I'm really interested in knowing.
> 
> Perhaps if more Puerto Ricans knew more about how non Puerto Ricans feel
> about them them they(we) would work harder to become a bit more self
> sufficient. 
> 
> Cuba may be a Poor Country right now but they can call Cuba their own as
> opposed to Puerto Rico being a still a colony.

I assume you're responding to my post about how Puerto Rico is a POLITCAL
division, not a racial one.

Simple.  Puerto Rican is a NATIONALITY, not a RACE.  About half of Puerto
Ricans are mulattoes, some are mestizzoes, and I can't remember the other
types right now, but I'll look it up for you if you like.  There are even
a few (not many) whites on the island.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Looking for Les
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In a previous posting, TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) writes:
> Eric the fruitcake wrote:
> 
>>>Again with the "we"!!!! Does this mean that you and Les-than-human are
> now
>>>a team???  Or should I say an item. You do know he is married, don't
> you?
>>>I guess we (as in the rest of the world) now have proof that there are
> two
>>>women in the nazi movement that want Les-than-worthy, and neither one of
>>>them has any class or idea of what a human being is.
> 
>      Actually, I am married to a fine upstanding white man myself.  I do
> have an idea of what a human being is, and what class it.  I also know
> what comraderie is--get it?  The personal insults that are slung around
> are silly and childish...I feel like I am in high school again.  This is
> ridiculous.  BTW, Hi Les...give my love to your wife.  : )

Hidey-ho!  Sylvie says "HI!"

Les

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Subject: Garbage mouth?
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In a previous posting, Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, TriSeven (triseven@aol.com) writes:
> 
>>      Actually, I am married to a fine upstanding white man myself.  I do
>> have an idea of what a human being is, and what class it.  I also know
>> what comraderie is--get it?  The personal insults that are slung around
>> are silly and childish...I feel like I am in high school again.  This is
>> ridiculous.  BTW, Hi Les...give my love to your wife.  : )
> 
> No fine upstanding man, no matter what colour, would want you...Think of
> what your whole life is based on. Do you ever smile or feel love....I
> doubt it. You just hate. You are beneath comtempt...
> AND YOU AIN'T A SKIN SO FUCK OFF!!!! And take garbage mouth
> Les-than-reptilian with you.

Look who's talking about a garbage mouth!

Is that the same mouth you kiss your mother with?

Les


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Subject: So there!
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In a previous posting, Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Michael Gretsky (MAG177@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
>> I am not a skinhead, but believe in white supremacy and aryan
> rule...
> 
> Well, then, my little genius, I think you've done a very good job of
> explaining why you *don't* belong here on alt.skinheads, but rather on
> alt.politics.white-power or alt. politics.nationalism.white...
> 
> Next time save yourself the effort of posting to inappropriate
> newsgroups for the sole purpose of contradicting your own actions, and
> figure out where your rantings belong.

Yeah!  Don't you know ANYTHING?

Jenn gets to decide who belongs here and who doesn't, and where the people
that she deems unacceptable here should go!

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : I agree with you wholeheartedly about the television, but I disagree with
> : you most vehemently about the guns.
> : But, since you seem bent on using your own twisted little definition of
> : "civilized", I guess we can't really discuss a whole lot.
> 
> 	No!  Bad!  Bad Les!  Guns are bad.  I can even explain why.
> 
> 	A gun is a tool made specifically for killing people.  The 
> nuttiest part about it is that it's so damned IMPERSONAL.  You just point 
> it at someone (they can be 100 yards away), pull the trigger, and then 
> they have a hole in them.  "Good!" you might say, "I can kill kikes and 
> niggers and lib'rals with one!"  But someone else can do the exact same 
> thing to you.  And they don't even need to have a reason.  Bleah.  It's 
> stupid. It's really, really stupid.

Typical liberal crap.  *yawn*

> 	My solution?  OUTLAW GUNS!#%!%

MORE government control!  Yay!

> And make swords legal.  Think about it!  Swords not only require a degree of
> skill to handle well, but fighting with swords is a lot more personal than
> pointing a metal tube at someone and just making holes in them.  As a
> result, people will 1. carry swords and 2. be a LOT more polite.

Plus, one can't do a drive-by with a sword (now, we just have to convine
the Blacks and the Asians of the wisdom of your scheme.)

> 	Finally, of course my definition of "civilization" is going to be 
> different from yours.  After all, we had different mothers, we grew up in 
> different places, our ages are different, and we've had different 
> experiences.  You can't possibly expect us to have the same perceptions, 
> nor can you expect your definition of a subjective term to be "right".  
> Stop being so damn thin-skinned.

I'm not.  But you're implying that inferior technology goes hand-in-hand
with moral superiority.  What next?  That it's noble to lose in the fight
for survival?

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Re: To SpewBile,Griswold,McKoin,Ruthee
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In a previous posting,  (an233756@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> Dear sirs:
> 
> A few more questions, if you will:
> 
> 
> 	Mr. Griswold:  Who in the blazes in William G. Simpson, anyway? 
>                        Any kin to the celebrated Aryan Homer G. Simpson?
>                        (I wouldn't want this to get out, but I'm told that
>                        William and O.J. are first cousins.)

No.

> 
> 	Ruthee:        Hey Ruthee, have you ever thought about doing it with 
>                        a Negroe? How about two or more Negroes? Go ahead, 
>                        give it a shot, indulge yourself. Some of your 
>                        Aryan sisters have, and they all say the same 
>                        thing, over and over: "Once you go Black, you 
>                        never go back!"

Sorry to disappoint you, anonymous nigger, but any white woman who beds
down with a neeegro is no Aryan.

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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			-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, John Alexander Clarke (clarkej@er4.eng.ohio-state.edu) writes:

> |> You realize eugenics promote race mixing, don't you?
> |> I believe Fransis Gaulton came up with eugenics. He is cousin
> |> of Darwin. He felt, since animals and plants can be cross
> |> bred to create a superior breed, why can't we breed people
> |> the same way? Well, that is whats happening right now.
> |> Heterosis is the foundation of our evolution, 
> |> and our racial phenotype.
> |> We look the way we do as a result of race mixing between
> |> pre-historic people. Ones with the best combination of mixed
> |> genes survived the ever changing world, and it's constantly
> |> changing viruses. One example of a pure race was the Native
> |> Americans. Their genes were so pure, do the their isolation,
> |> that they died of small pox. English royalty is another example.
> |> 
> |> Racial purity actually goes against eugenics, do to recessive
> |> nature of genes. The most superior race are the people with diverse
> |> gene stocks, who can fight off any new diseases as they come
> |> along.
> |> 
> |> Perhaps this person was talking more about "Folk community"
> |> rather than eugenics, since he/she obviously don't know any
> |> thing about eugenics and cross breading.
> |> Yes, it is true, there is more order in a folk community,
> |> since they were indoctrinated on the same concept, they
> |> are better educated, and 
> |> the phenotypical similarities creat more trust. Since there
> |> is more trust, there is less dissipative activities, and
> |> more growth. But this
> |> is all done at the expense of genetic health. So like
> |> you said, the order blows up, and new stocks will form
> |> in order to adopt to new environment. The white power
> |> movement is just the remains of the old world colonialism.
> |> They were into class stratification based on phenotypes. But
> |> because of mother natures eugenics program, they are being
> |> "Darwined" out.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> B.T.W. the Germans are not really pure white people.
> |> When the Huns occupied Germany around 400 AD, they
> |> done sooo much fucking with German women that, most Germans
> |> have *some* Asian blood in them. I believe Atila married
> |> a German woman also.
> |> 
> |> The way the blacks act is consistant with how a recently
> |> liberated people behave. Look at Russia, they just got
> |> liberated, and first thing they do is fight among them
> |> selves, or turn criminal. It will pass, and new breeding
> |> stock will form, and 1000 years from now 
> |> they will think *they* are the new
> |> great race, until that blows up, etc.....
> |> Dialectic matirialism goes on.
> |> 
> |> As a Korean, I came from a very pure gene stock, and
> |> though we have lots of order from our indoctrination,
> |> there are lots of genetic and social illness in our culture do
> |> to over breeding. While a person from a recently mixed stock
> |> may have less order, since mixed stock have a higher level of
> |> enthropy, they are more diversed and healthier.
> |> It just depends on how you want to balance your order vs chaos.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> 
> Most excellent points.  Oftenly, people equate purity with superiority.  This
> simple decision-making object is applicable for some comparisons.  However, it
> is inapplicable to evolutionary biology.  "Diversity is strength" is the 
> popular saying among biological scientists.

Bull.  Tell me of ONE physical anthropologist who seriously adheres to the
"diversity is strength" line.

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, talk.politics.misc 
Subject: Re: ADV:  Race and Gun Control 
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In a previous posting, Julie Cochrane (jrcosby@prism.gatech.edu) writes:
> Keep your anti-woman, anti-semitic, anti-non-white, bigoted drivel
> to yourself.
> 
> Yuck.
> 
> (Female, white, urban, pagan, pro-gay-rights, heterosexual, pro-choice,
>  married, and ARMED!)
> 
> Julie

I never fail to get a chuckle out of these types of people, who seem to
think that just HAVING guns makes all the difference in the world.

It's not having the guns, and some sort of fuzzy attachement to the
"Constitution" that will make one whit of difference.  It's having the
guts to use them, if necessary.

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Pyramid 00:  silly Negro
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In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:

(a whole bunch of Black bravado deleted)

Pyramid 00, you're an ass.  THAT'S why I ignore you.

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting,  (tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu) writes:
> In article <3m9rjb$3sv@jbxl1.jbx.com>, Don Black  wrote:
>>American Dissident Voices
>>National Vanguard Books
>>Post Office Box 330
>>Hillsboro, West Virginia 24946
>>fax number 304-653-4690
>>
>>Program of 7th August, 1993
>>
>>Eugenics: The Only Way to a Better World

> You realize eugenics promote race mixing, don't you?

*sigh*.  I do so get a kick out of these liberal idiots who allege that
"our" scientists actually supported THEIR ideas.

> I believe Fransis Gaulton came up with eugenics. He is cousin 
> of Darwin.

Since you like dropping names, but not providing any evidence from them,
here's a bit:

"Free crossing obliterates characteristics" -- Charles Darwin

> He felt, since animals and plants can be cross bred to create a superior
> breed, why can't we breed people the same way?

"Without the purebred, there cannot be the cross-bred of any worth." --
Dr. F.A.E. Crew

> Well, that is whats happening right now.
> Heterosis is the foundation of our evolution, 
> and our racial phenotype.
> We look the way we do as a result of race mixing between
> pre-historic people. Ones with the best combination of mixed
> genes survived the ever changing world, and it's constantly
> changing viruses. One example of a pure race was the Native
> Americans. Their genes were so pure, do the their isolation,
> that they died of small pox. English royalty is another example.

Very simplistic interpretation.  Small pox did not kill ALL of the indians.

Say what you will, the indians were well adapted to THEIR environment.  As
soon as their environment changed, though...

> Racial purity actually goes against eugenics, do to recessive
> nature of genes. The most superior race are the people with diverse
> gene stocks, who can fight off any new diseases as they come
> along.

Bullshit.  The most vigourous strains are those that practice positive and
negative eugenics (ie, culling sickly individuals, and only breeding with
one's like).

> Perhaps this person was talking more about "Folk community"
> rather than eugenics, since he/she obviously don't know any
> thing about eugenics and cross breading.

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

> Yes, it is true, there is more order in a folk community,
> since they were indoctrinated on the same concept, they
> are better educated, and 
> the phenotypical similarities creat more trust. Since there
> is more trust, there is less dissipative activities, and
> more growth.

... and a more stable genotype.

> But this is all done at the expense of genetic health.

Hoo boy.

> So like you said, the order blows up, and new stocks will form
> in order to adopt to new environment. The white power
> movement is just the remains of the old world colonialism.
> They were into class stratification based on phenotypes. But
> because of mother natures eugenics program, they are being
> "Darwined" out.

Pretty neat.  When WE use Darwin as an authority, liberals never tire of
telling us:

1)  he's such an OLD source (19th century and all!); and,

2)  we're misinterpreting what he said to support our hateful credo.

> B.T.W. the Germans are not really pure white people.
> When the Huns occupied Germany around 400 AD, they
> done sooo much fucking with German women that, most Germans
> have *some* Asian blood in them. I believe Atila married
> a German woman also.

Hmm.  So, you're saying that Asians are the most racist people around? 
Makes sense...

> The way the blacks act is consistant with how a recently
> liberated people behave.

No, it's consistent with how savages behave.  Besides, their "liberation"
can hardly be termed "recent".

> Look at Russia, they just got liberated, and first thing they do is fight
> among themselves,

The difference being, they JUST got liberated.  Blacks have been free for
over a hundred years, and they're STILL out to get Whitey.

> or turn criminal. It will pass, and new breeding
> stock will form, and 1000 years from now 
> they will think *they* are the new
> great race, until that blows up, etc.....
> Dialectic matirialism goes on.
> 
> As a Korean, I came from a very pure gene stock, and
> though we have lots of order from our indoctrination,
> there are lots of genetic and social illness in our culture do
> to over breeding. While a person from a recently mixed stock
> may have less order, since mixed stock have a higher level of
> enthropy, they are more diversed and healthier.
> It just depends on how you want to balance your order vs chaos.

You really understand NOTHING about genetics, just agitating, right?

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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			-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, The Sub-genius (laramary@eden.rutgers.edu) writes:
> bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Knight) writes:
> 
>>    Is oppression by Whites responsible for the fact that Blacks have
>>provably smaller, lighter and less convoluted(in the true sense of the
>>word) brains?
> 	That is totally unfounded.

Bullshit.  It's been proven over and over.

>>    Is it responsible for the fact that Blacks consistantly score an
>>average of 15 points lower than Whites on I.Q. tests?
> 	Yes it does.  For starters, IQ tests are culturally biased.

Bullshit again.  IQ tests have been around for almost EIGHTY years, bucky.
One would figure that in that time, the cultural biases would have been
eliminated as much as possible.
 
>>    Is it responsible for the fact that even on I.Q. tests specifically
>>designed to be culture neutral(not culturally biased) Blacks score an 85
>>I.Q. average, placing them at a level of intelligence just slightly higher
>>than Mentally Retarded?
> 	Also unfounded.  I bet you got that one out of som WP newletter,
> or one of the fame 'white-power labs' can back it up.

Even if he DID get it out of a WP newsletter, does that make it any less
of a fact?

Actually, he's probably referring to Dr. Audrey M. Shuey's "Testing of
Negro Intelligence".

(snip)

> 	Basically, what I am saying is that you are wrong, and you know
> you're wrong, but have gone as far as convincing yourself that this stupid
> shit (like average brain size...  like bigger = smarter or something) is
> dripping with fact.  Of course, it's not...

Actually, the people who have gone in for the self-delusion are the
liberal-leftists.

There IS a difference in brain size, and White brains are quite a bit
bigger than Black brains.  That must mean SOMETHING.

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, Bruce Lewis (bchan@deltanet.com) writes:
> parkes@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (parkes) wrote:
> 
>>   The jews began their history by fleeing.  First Egypt, then Rome, and 
>> finally Europe.  Guess you wore out you're welcome!
> 
> 
> Nope. Now we have our own country, and
> just KICK THE ASSES of any wise guys who
> give us crap. . .guys like YOU, for instance.
> Hate Jews? Fine. I hear the Iraqi army is
> hiring. Go join a REAL anti-semitic outfit
> and quit wasting net bandwidth.

Only with massive U.S. subsidies and military assistance.

Les


--
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			-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Militant jews!
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I just love the spate of jews now who are bragging about the military
power of Israel, and how that "proves" that jews got cajones.  Something
these kosher winderkind are forgetting, though, is that the Israelis
were, and still are, dependent on massive U.S. subsidies for their
ability to win.

You'll also never hear mention of the disproportionate number of
"battle-fatigue" casualties that the IDF regularly has.  The Six-Day War
garnered them 23% "battle-fatigue" casualties.

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
			-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <1995Apr11.060408.134@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
>   wrote:
> 
>> I'll say "yes" that fags and dikes cannot give logical nor reasonable
>>responses. This is due to one simple fact: Homosexuality is wrong, it is NOT
>>a choice NOR an "alternative" lifestyle. It IS a mental disorder that should
>>be dealt with accordingly. It is not natural, it defies the laws of nature,
> 
> 	Why, then, does homosexual behavior exist among animals? 

Only under conditions of abnormality (overcrowding, starvation,
malnutrition, etc.)

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, R.H.Aidley (R.H.Aidley@shef.ac.uk) writes:
> In article <3mguvc$7nd@news.bu.edu>, sreimerd@cs.bu.edu (Shawn Reimerdes) says:
>>
>>
>>        Not only is race mixing wrong, but an insult to your family and 
>>the mutant offspring the relationship produces.  Its wrong mixing gene 
>>pools of populations that have been seperated for tens of thousands of 
>>years.  In the case of White and Black mixing, there is an evolutionary 
>>gap of at least 100,000 years, possibly more.  So why would anyone want 
>>to create a kid with someone who is so far behind in evolutionary terms?
> 
> As I understand it, white people are white because of the lack of UV 
> light in the (relatively) frozen north that is Northen europe. We simply
> lost our pigmentation in order to be able to synthesise Vitamin D and 
> others in such an environment. As most of mainland America is somewhat
> warmer than Europe ( not to mention the destruction of the ozone layer
> contributing to higher levels of UV radiation ), this cannot realy be
> seen as an advantage.
> 
> If both 'races' have truly been separated that long, surely the best 
> thing to do is combine them! That way you get the best of both worlds,
> whatever that might be. It is a fact that larger gene-pools make for 
> healthier species

Is it really?

> - with ( I use your figure ) 100 000 years of seperation, we've had time to
> diverge our gene-pools. To combine them now would give our species an
> evolutionary boost, not an evolutionary step-back.

Hey, we had a common ancestor with the great apes, too.  Why not breed
with them and get the best of both worlds? 

Les

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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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In a previous posting, Cott Lang (cott@cc.gatech.edu) writes:
> russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto) writes:
> 
>>Seems to me that if those bigots want to be on the front lines come
>>the revolution, we should encourage them.  If there's gotta be cannon
>>fodder, who better?
> 
> Let 'em clear minefields.
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    I think - therefore I am not politically correct.    | Vote Libertarian
>                                                         |
>       The Bill of Rights R.I.P. 1791 - 1994             |  1-800-682-1776

I'm truly interested.  Why do you think that the Bill of Rights was in force
until 1994?  What happened in late '94 or early '95 to convince you that
the Bill of Rights came to a screeching halt?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Caernarvon (jthomson@abacus.bates.edu) writes:
> In article <3m9rjb$3sv@jbxl1.jbx.com> dblack@jbx.com (Don Black) writes:
>>Eugenics: The Only Way to a Better World
> 
> I had thought that the nonsense called eugenics died with Hitler.  I now
> realize it did not.  I wonder, do those who favor eugenics have any real
> respect for the normal process of natural selection, or do they invoke the
> phrase, "natural law," simply for rhetorical power?

Actually, the "nonsense" you refer to is an integral facet of modern
medicine; it's just not common knowledge.

And yes, those who favour eugenics DO have a LOT of respect for the normal
processes of natural selection.  They also recognize that the normal
processes have to a large extent been thwarted by civilization, and seek
some way of redressing this.

Les

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Subject: Re: Alister Air, mincing faggot
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <1995Apr11.060408.134@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
>   wrote:
> 
>> I'll say "yes" that fags and dikes cannot give logical nor reasonable
>>responses. This is due to one simple fact: Homosexuality is wrong, it is NOT
>>a choice NOR an "alternative" lifestyle. It IS a mental disorder that should
>>be dealt with accordingly. It is not natural, it defies the laws of nature,
>>natural selection and "survival of the fittest". I've even heard some had the
>>gall enough to say it is genetic. Please, if it was you wouldn't be here. But
>>personally I wish more of you nigger lovers and jew syimpathizer were gay, this
>>way lessmore of you ignorant and self-induced-blfuckers would be replicating
>>and spreading the foolish ideas you hold dear. G'day, Alister F-Air-y..
>>All the homosexuals and other severly mentally disabled should be dealt with
>>very sternly.............Operation T-4 sounds good to me.
> 
> Not natural, you say, not genetic... There are gay dolphins, gay dogs, 
> gay apes...hell, you name it mammal wise, there's probably a gay one 
> somewhere.

Typical.  You extend human morality to animals.  I know that for dogs and
apes, so-called "homosexuality" is a means of establishing rank.

> So tell me, do Dogs make this lifestyle choice?  Anyhow, why 
> would you hate gays so profoundly?  I mean, if you're not gay, don't 
> worry, you're in the clear!  If you don't hang out in gay bars, you're 
> not going to get people picking you up.

"If you don't bother that hornet, it won't sting you!"

If homos stopped rubbing our noses in their filth, they'd find a lot less
resentment.  But the militant fags LOVE this friction:  it allows them to
propagate their "us-vs-them" mentality, and keep even the moderate swishes
antagonistic toward the heterosexual majority.

Les

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In a previous posting, The Sub-genius (laramary@eden.rutgers.edu) writes:

> 	A lot of "I have proof, but decline to name sources" shit cut,
> basically because I don't want to waste my time.  I (along with many
> others) say something is unfounded, then the 'hard-of-thinking' claim
> they have proof, then never offer any, or if they do, it's from a biased
> or non-existant group.  NEVER credible...

Cute.  The only UNBIASED source, apparently, is one you approve of.  Good
for you.

BTW, it's pretty cute how Pyramid 00 has turned on you.  Nothing is
funnier than a liberal suck-ass defending himself against charges of
"racism" from a hysterical non-White.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Henry McDaniel (mcdaniel@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)

>>> I know I'll catch ---- for this, but I really don't mind racists postings.  I 
>>> for one allways want to know who the enemy is.  As long as I see them clearly, 
>>> I know I'm o.k.  it's when I don't see or hear them I start to worry.  Maybe 
>>> they posted to the wrong group, but at least we know who and what they are.  
>>> Now they can't hide.
> 
>>Thanks for your candour.
> 
>>It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
>>for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
>>"patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.
> 
>>Les
> 
> Someone who uses the word "patriot" in quotation marks is most likely
> very full of himself. 
> 
> I wonder how you explain away all the blood spilled by non-white U.S.
> soldiers in Vietnam.  Not that I'm too interested in your twisted
> dreamscape.

What?  Are you talking about the VC?  If so, I would expect you to be
arguing AGAINST non-Whites having guns.

Or are you talking about the ARVN?  In which case, I would expect you to
be arguing against any ideology (in this case, communism and capitalism)
that pits one man against his racial brother.

Les


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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>"Hello, My name is Jewanne. You've reached the lesbians against America 
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^
>>coalition. Would you like to speak with someone or make a donation."
> 
> 	"Lesbians Against America" would probably be the correct way of 
> putting it.. similar to the way one would spell "American National 
> Socialist Worker's Party," or "American Civil Liberties Union."  
> Typically you capitalize all the words in an organization's name.

Or just the important ones.  "Lesbians" is no longer the mark of
distinction it once was.  NOW, to be significant, one has to be a lesbian
of colour.

> Kevin "Beebe has a point; idiots are for flaming" Filan

Does this mean you're going to resort to posting witless comments and what
are obviously intended to be sharp, critical thinking that exposes the
"fallacy" of National Socialist thought?  Gawd...

Les


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In a previous posting, Eddie (eddie@primenet.com) writes:
> In article Les Griswold writes:
> 
>>In a previous posting, Eddie (eddie@primenet.com) writes:
> 
>>> I know I'll catch ---- for this, but I really don't mind racists postings.  I 
>>> for one allways want to know who the enemy is.  As long as I see them clearly, 
>>> I know I'm o.k.  it's when I don't see or hear them I start to worry.  Maybe 
>>> they posted to the wrong group, but at least we know who and what they are.  
>>> Now they can't hide.
> 
>>Thanks for your candour.
> 
>>It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
>>for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
>>"patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.
> 
>>Les
> 
> I do not believe I called myself a "patriot" or "White" or you the "enemy".  
> However, I will now.  I don't care what color the person next to me is as long 
> as he or she is a decent intellegent human being.  In other words, someone 
> unlike yourself.

I see.  So, not refusing to see the truth makes me "unintelligent"?

> The idea of drawing some line based on skin color as to who  my friends or
> allies are is repulsive.  I'm southern born, white and anti-racist.  I know
> the racist elements, have seen their dirty work up close.  It makes me sick
> to think of surviving in a world full of their kind.  If you want to trace
> it back, I've been in this country for 12 generations.  Yes, my family owned
> slaves.  That doesn't mean the practice was correct.

White guilt!  The liberals just LOVE that!

> It doesn't mean I will avoid anyone for such a superficial reason as skin
> color.

We don't avoid people based just on skin colour, either.  It's just the
most easily observable characteristic of what they're like.

Hey, I'll make a deal with you - I won't tell you why you're a patriot for
profit, and you don't tell me why I'm a "racist", okay?

> This group is about survival (alt.misc.surv.) so I'll end on this note.  My
> survival group consists of Whites, Blacks and Jews.

Well, bully for you.  If multiracialims is so important to you, why are
you opting out of the mainstream at all?  Multiracialism is yours for the
asking, and you don't need to spend thousands of dollars on guns and
freeze-dried food to get it.

> Each person has important qualities to contribute.  Each person has a role to 
> fulfill.

Like what?  Spray-painting graffiti?  Charging usury?

Les


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In a previous posting, Antoine Harrison (ah8993@albnyvms.bitnet) writes:

(snip)

> 	As far as the almanac, the statistics are based on the U.S sensous
> statistical poll which is done every 10 years and then it takes five years to
> compile the information. The facts that you have read are representative of
> 1980. For a present statistical makeup for 1995 we will have to wait until the
> year 2010. The twenty percent I came up with was a fictitious number. As you
> have shown, with your stats the number would be much much less. Never the less,
> White people should not feel that minorities are taking there jobs. If we used
> your stats, that means that Blacks would take up 12% of the work force IF EVERY
> BLACK MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD worked a job. We both know that that is not the
> case. My next question would be for you to find out the unemployment rate stats
> for whites and blacks and see if it is representative of the percentage of each
> group. Is the ration the same or even close. 

And, according to you, Blacks should only commit 12% of the crime.  Is
that also true, or even close?

> 	White elites and politicians want you to be afraid of minorities
> because if we were to join together and stop them from spending money on
> themselves, personal interest investments, and programs that benefit the rich
> only they would be out of a job. Think about it, why does a person have to have
> millions of dollars just to run for office, How come the politicians vote every
> year whether they should receive a raise. I never heard of them vetoing that
> bill. Why does the media make it a point to obscure facts and concentrate
> mostly on racial issues. It makes money. Why does the tax structure not support
> the middle class working man. Read the tax books, you have to be very rich to
> make deductions. How come we are not taught how to do our rown taxes in school,
> yet if you don't do them you go to jail. Our country thrives on small and big
> business yet we are not taught about micro or macro economics. We don't even
> know the procedure to start a small business. 
> 	These people know what there doing. They want us to hate each other and
> be caught up with propaganda that they spread. People don't become interested
> in an issue until they hear one of the parties beat it to death. Without
> knowing what is going on or finding the truth, we buy into their beliefs. The
> truth about businesses, is that they are making a huge profit but they continue
> to downsize. They want more and more profit. The businesses are afraid that the
> people will boycott them because they are creating a lot of angry Americans.
> Their solution is to make the white Americans feel as if it is the minorities
> that is making them do this and it is not. Investors and CEO's want to show
> there net value by displaying the figures. This brings in more investors to
> support the growth of new projects with out the company spending a lot. Next
> time someone tells you they don't like something, investigate it and find out
> for yourself.
> 	By the way I liked how you used the Almanac to show your validity.
> People will later question your reasoning and if you have a reliable source,
> you won't feel intimidated, therefore you won't need to feel the need to be
> defensive. Don't use the Jelly Bean statement because it takes away from your
> intellect. If you say something real intelligent and then end with that
> statement people will discard everything. The only way to spread your thoughts
> is by speaking in a way that the party you are trying to persuade can
> understand and not feel threatened by the sensitive topic.
> 
> ---- Antoine H.

Les

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In article , karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes...
>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
>>of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
>>of White men raping Black females.
> 
>OK, shitbrain, I'll play your little game. I looked up the FBI's Uniform 
>Crime Reports for the United States for 1988, released Sunday, August 6, 
>1989, x+355p., and there is no such statistic. Pages 15-17 are devoted to 
>forcible rape. We learn that there were 92,486 cases recorded in 1988 (up 
>from 91,111 in 1987), that this comes to 37.6 (up from 37.4) per 100,000 
>population, and that 53% of the perpetrators were white, 46% black, the 
>remainder "other." There is no breakdown at all of victims by race. (The 
>only cross-breakdown of perpetrators and victims by race--white, black 
>and "other"--is in the section on murder.)

Mr. Powers--Thanks for the debunking of Les's numbers; I had a feeling that he
was citing some source other than the FBI report.  It remains to be seen WHERE
Griswold got his numbers--let's keep asking him.

One thing I like about alt.revisionism is that the absurd claims made by many
of the Holocaust deniers send me back to the library & my own bookshelves; it's
always good to give one's research skills a workout now and then...

So I took a look at Susan Brownmiller's _Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape_
(New York, Simon & Schuster, 1975), one of the more significant discussions of
how discussions of rape get used politically.  I knew her 1970s statistics 
wouldn't be generalizable to this thread, but thought I might find some useful
points.  I did.  In her discussion of the thorny complications involved in
talking about rape and race, she mentions that "The FBI holds to a firm policy
of not reporting arrest figures for interracial rape" (Brownmiller 214).  As
your post indicates, that policy still seems to be in effect.

So where did Les get his numbers?

--Marty


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

[snip previous posts]

   Thanks for your candour.

   It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
   for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
   "patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.

Erm.  Your posting (and your .sig) appear to indicate that you feel that
whites (a limited set of those with light skin) are in some way threatened 
by other races working in concert within their race and possibly between
races against the "white" man.  From what I know about organizations that
preach these ideas, you also probably believe that the US should be a 
"white" nation, that it eventually will be (after a "final war"), and 
that one of the main problems is a lack of Christianity in the US.

As a young white man myself, I have never understood how a person with two
brain cells to rub together could possibly believe such things.  As a 
patriot fighting for my rights (peacefully now, but I'm prepared for worse),
I have never felt any reason to be afraid of blacks or Jews or whichever
enemy you claim is after us.  I have been much more afraid of the people
in positions of power throughout the US and the world, no matter what 
color their skin.  It is people like Jesse Helms and other false moralists
who I am most afraid of.  Those are the people who afraid of individuals
having privacy, being able to defend themselves, being able to survive
without the government. 

The only thing I think about blacks is that the system should get off their
back and get rid of programs like Affirmative Action, The War on (Some)
Drugs, and Welfare which do so much to destroy black families and continue
to hold blacks back.  The rest of the time I just stop myself from thinking
stereotypes and go ahead and talk to them.  The ones I run into at school
are remarkably friendly once they get over their suprise at having a white
man talking to them, meeting their eyes, and actually listening to them.

I have never seen it as a race thing.  Actually, now that I think about
it, I am more afraid of you and those like you (armed white-supremacist 
organizations) than I am of plenty of other things.  Should you ever be
using those guns in your "final war" I'll be on the other side, and damn
proud to be counted among them.

I only hope I see you first :)

   --
   ... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
   their strength.
		   -- William G. Simpson

The whole concept of race-superiority is anathema to a thinking person. 
                                               -- me

-- Ross Bagley   rabagley@isdn33.eng.uc.edu
I do happen to speak for the owner of this computer...


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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Shawn Reimerdes  wrote:
>>Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) wrote:
>>: You and Brian Bagnall must read the same books.  Doesn't anyone bother to
>>: read anthropology or genetics or even basic biological and history texts
>>: anymore before posting opinions as though they are facts?  Yow, the state
>>: of education these days - very sad.  Go the library, honey, you might just
>>: learn a few things.  Open your mind as well and take a reality check -
>>: your numbers are very off.
> 
>>	Where do you think I'm getting my information from there missy?  
>>I do alot of anthropological and genetic reading.  It is theorized that 
>>Homo erectus left Africa about 100,000 years ago, right.  So H erectus 
>>evolved into H sapiens within that time.  Different stocks of sapiens 
>>developed in different parts of the world, seperated by distance and 
>>natural land barriers.  Possible and likely that the Europeans mated w/ 
>>Neanderthals which would make them that much different that the other 
>>groups of H sapiens.  Gene mutation, enviromental factors, natural 
>>selection lead to the proliferation of these groups.
> 
>>	Not all races are evolutionarly at the same stage!  
>  
> Perhaps you can explain to me a few things.  Genetically speaking, there
> is a 99.9% similarity between humans (regardless of race, it's the same
> for all races) and primates.  This means that when the chromosomes of a
> human and those of a primate (chimp) are dentaured then renatured 99.9%
> will bind together regardless of source.  This is a very simply
> description but it'll do.  It's a fairly common way of determining genetic
> closeness between species.  Human to human it's 100%.  So, that tells us
> that humans and primates are very close genetically.  When you consider
> that all humans are probably 0.001% or less genetically similar, well,
> there's not a lot of room for evolutionary variance, at least not what
> you're saying.  Humans are all the same species and yes, the same
> subspecies - I've yet to see any conclusive or even strongly hinting
> evidence to negate this claim.  Since I work in the field of Biological
> science, I think I'd have heard something.  
> 
Perhaps you can explain a few things to ME.  Where did you get this 99.9%
figure?  It really sounds like wishful thinking, instead of actual science.

Apes may be 99.9% similar to us genetically, anyway, but your claims have
no foundation in reality.  Just what are you trying to say?

> Regarding races, many anthropologists will agree that racial lines are
> often drawn very arbitrarily.  For example, some surmise that there are 37
> different races, some say more and some say less.  Going by strictly
> cosmetic features there can be as many as 37 however, if you go by more
> biological and biochemical differences - differences that aren't measured
> by just looking at someone and noting several physical atributes, there
> are basically four races: A, B, AB, and O - blood types.  Blood types are
> hereditary, not affected by environment, constant, and there are only four
> of them.  If you wanted to give blood to a friend who is the same "race"
> as you but not the same blood type your blood could kill them.  However,
> it is more than likely that someone else will have the same blood type as
> your friend and that that person doesn't necessarily have to be the same
> "race" or ethnic background etc.  You yourself may very well be a good
> tissue match for an african or asian or native american or australian
> aborigine - and vise versa.  There are many people walking around
> today with kidneys, hearts, livers, bone marrow, blood, corneas, etc 
> from people of a different "race" than their own.  

Actually, blood types are usually, though not exclusively, peculiar to one
group.  Whites are generally type A, Orientals type B, Amerinds type O.

> humans, as a species, have never been adverse to sleeping with anyone, no
> matter how "different" the skin color or eye shape or hair color may be.  

That's often, but not always, true.  The Vikings, for example, didn't mix
with the "skraelings".

It sounds more like you're telling us how YOU'D like the world to be, than
being honest and admitting how it really is.

Les


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Subject: Re: My theory of Asians.
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In a previous posting, Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, JAMES NGUYEN (carndy@suburbia.apana.org.au) writes:
> (snip)
>> 
>> Movie review aside, the purpose of this post is to comment a little on 
>> how accurately neo-nazis were depicted in the film. Oh, I know whatcha 
>> thinking. James is slagging us off again! That's exactly right. Neo-nazi
>> group exists because there are losers in society. I mean we have clubs 
>> for everybody and everything why not have one for losers? 
> 
>  Yeah right James...Losers like Henry Ford, Houston Stewart Chamberlain,
> Walt Disney, Charles Lindberg, Cmdr George Lincoln Rockwell, Bernard Shaw and
> countless other rational and successful non-German supporters of National
> Socialist ideology.
> 
> You be a good little "gook" and keep eating the media's lies.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --
> The great epochs of our life come when we gain the courage 
> to rechristen our evil as what is best in us.  
>                                                 -Friedrich Nietzsche

Actually, there's a great article on Orientals in this month's
"Instauration".  

Les

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In a previous posting, Henry McDaniel (mcdaniel@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>>> Someone who uses the word "patriot" in quotation marks is most likely
>>> very full of himself. 
>>> 
>>> I wonder how you explain away all the blood spilled by non-white U.S.
>>> soldiers in Vietnam.  Not that I'm too interested in your twisted
>>> dreamscape.
> 
>>What?  Are you talking about the VC?  If so, I would expect you to be
>>arguing AGAINST non-Whites having guns.
> 
>>Or are you talking about the ARVN?  In which case, I would expect you to
>>be arguing against any ideology (in this case, communism and capitalism)
>>that pits one man against his racial brother.
> 
>>Les
> 
> A bigot who can't read.  No why doesn't that surprise me?  Which part
> of "non-white U.S. soldier in Vietnam" did you not understand dufus?
> Oh.  I get it, you were just avoding the issue.   I'd tell you to go
> somewhere hot and permanent, but that wouldn't be nice.

You're right, it wouldn't.

You're also right, I read too fast.  However, it's not "avoiding the
issue" - the same objection arises if you want to talk specifically about
non-White U.S. soldiers:  it's the height of insanity to allow non-Whites
to have access to guns and (especially) explosives.  "Fragging" (tossing
frag grenades at officers) was a Black vs. White phenomenon.  Of course,
now you're going to deny, deny, deny.

Les


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In a previous posting, Don Black (dblack@jbx.com) writes:
> In article ,
>    bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) wrote:
>>Don Black replies to me:
> 
>>>You should have taken the advice. 
>>
>>Keep my mouth shut, huh?  No, sir, honor precludes that course of action.
>>
>>I will do what is RIGHT, and be damned anyone who doesn't like it. I will NOT
>>do what is fashionable and popular.  I will do what is RIGHT.  "Popular" is 
>>what the Jews want me to do.  "Popular" is applied materialism.
> 
> If you want to win, I'd suggest you be more selective in which battles you 
> chose to fight. It doesn't really have much to do with popularity.

Sounds like you'd rather fight "smart" than for what is right.

For the record, I agree 100% with Milton.  I've seen the vituperative,
filthy lies Covington spreads about real racialists, and how he runs when
confronted.

>>There are many Aryan racists, particularly Identity adherents, whom I dis-
>>agree with, but I do not denounce them because we disagree. I denounce people
>>because they are frauds and phonies.
> 
> Do you think Richard Scutari, Gary Yarborough, Bruce Pierce, and Randy Evans 
> are frauds and phonies, because they are Identity? What about David Lane, 
> Identity turned Odinist? I'm sure they wouldn't care much for your blanket 
> condemnation of Identity ministers.

Don, he say he DOESN'T denounce people just because he disagrees with
their professed religion.  He denounces frauds and phonies.  I don't see
up there ANY implication that Identity = fraud and phony.

Unlike some racialists, Identity are upfront and honest about their ideas,
and for that, I admire them.  I also do not agree with them, but that
doesn't mean we can't talk.  (In fact, I have a correspondence going right
now with a charming Identity woman). 

(snip)

>>We young people are a'comin', and the failed "leaders" will either move out 
>>the way, or will be MOVED out of the way.  My generation's future is non-
>>existent.  We're not in this for money, we're not in this for glory. We're in
>>it because we don't have a choice.
> 
> Noble and powerful sentiments. The irony for me is that when I was saying the 
> same thing, it was with Koehl.

Geez, Don, I can almost hear the sneer in your voice as you dismiss
Milton's words as "noble and powerful sentiments".  They also happen to be
TRUE.

(snip)

> Okay, I'll be more explicit. I usually suggest the National Alliance to anyone 
> who thinks they have to join a national organization. The literature and radio 
> programs are without question the best. But I have never known anyone who 
> could turn altruistic, worshipful followers into bitter enemies faster than 
> Pierce. He is a "my way or no way" type. Someone as, er. . . headstrong as 
> you, Milton, wouldn't likely last long working directly with him.

I can confirm that Dr. Pierce is a "my way or no way" type.  I've met him
twice.  But he is as firm as he is because he KNOWS what is right and what
will work, and doesn't have the time to go back and explain the A-B-Cs for
everybody that comes along.

Les


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From: rabagley@isdn33.isdn33.eng.UC.EDU (Ross Bagley)
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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

[snip previous posts]

   Thanks for your candour.

   It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
   for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
   "patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.

Erm.  Your posting (and your .sig) appear to indicate that you feel that
whites (a limited set of those with light skin) are in some way threatened 
by other races working in concert within their race and possibly between
races against the "white" man.  From what I know about organizations that
preach these ideas, you also probably believe that the US should be a 
"white" nation, that it eventually will be (after a "final war"), and 
that one of the main problems is a lack of Christianity in the US.

As a young white man myself, I have never understood how a person with two
brain cells to rub together could possibly believe such things.  As a 
patriot fighting for my rights (peacefully now, but I'm prepared for worse),
I have never felt any reason to be afraid of blacks or Jews or whichever
enemy you claim is after us.  I have been much more afraid of the people
in positions of power throughout the US and the world, no matter what 
color their skin.  It is people like Jesse Helms and other false moralists
who I am most afraid of.  Those are the people who afraid of individuals
having privacy, being able to defend themselves, being able to survive
without the government. 

The only thing I think about blacks is that the system should get off their
back and get rid of programs like Affirmative Action, The War on (Some)
Drugs, and Welfare which do so much to destroy black families and continue
to hold blacks back.  The rest of the time I just stop myself from thinking
stereotypes and go ahead and talk to them.  The ones I run into at school
are remarkably friendly once they get over their suprise at having a white
man talking to them, meeting their eyes, and actually listening to them.

I have never seen it as a race thing.  Actually, now that I think about
it, I am more afraid of you and those like you (armed white-supremacist 
organizations) than I am of plenty of other things.  Should you ever be
using those guns in your "final war" I'll be on the other side, and damn
proud to be counted among them.

I only hope I see you first :)

   --
   ... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
   their strength.
		   -- William G. Simpson

The whole concept of race-superiority is anathema to a thinking person. 
                                               -- me

-- Ross Bagley   rabagley@isdn33.eng.uc.edu
I do happen to speak for the owner of this computer...


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Shawn Reimerdes  wrote:
>>Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) wrote:
>>: You and Brian Bagnall must read the same books.  Doesn't anyone bother to
>>: read anthropology or genetics or even basic biological and history texts
>>: anymore before posting opinions as though they are facts?  Yow, the state
>>: of education these days - very sad.  Go the library, honey, you might just
>>: learn a few things.  Open your mind as well and take a reality check -
>>: your numbers are very off.
> 
>>	Where do you think I'm getting my information from there missy?  
>>I do alot of anthropological and genetic reading.  It is theorized that 
>>Homo erectus left Africa about 100,000 years ago, right.  So H erectus 
>>evolved into H sapiens within that time.  Different stocks of sapiens 
>>developed in different parts of the world, seperated by distance and 
>>natural land barriers.  Possible and likely that the Europeans mated w/ 
>>Neanderthals which would make them that much different that the other 
>>groups of H sapiens.  Gene mutation, enviromental factors, natural 
>>selection lead to the proliferation of these groups.
> 
>>	Not all races are evolutionarly at the same stage!  
>  
> Perhaps you can explain to me a few things.  Genetically speaking, there
> is a 99.9% similarity between humans (regardless of race, it's the same
> for all races) and primates.  This means that when the chromosomes of a
> human and those of a primate (chimp) are dentaured then renatured 99.9%
> will bind together regardless of source.  This is a very simply
> description but it'll do.  It's a fairly common way of determining genetic
> closeness between species.  Human to human it's 100%.  So, that tells us
> that humans and primates are very close genetically.  When you consider
> that all humans are probably 0.001% or less genetically similar, well,
> there's not a lot of room for evolutionary variance, at least not what
> you're saying.  Humans are all the same species and yes, the same
> subspecies - I've yet to see any conclusive or even strongly hinting
> evidence to negate this claim.  Since I work in the field of Biological
> science, I think I'd have heard something.  
> 
Perhaps you can explain a few things to ME.  Where did you get this 99.9%
figure?  It really sounds like wishful thinking, instead of actual science.

Apes may be 99.9% similar to us genetically, anyway, but your claims have
no foundation in reality.  Just what are you trying to say?

> Regarding races, many anthropologists will agree that racial lines are
> often drawn very arbitrarily.  For example, some surmise that there are 37
> different races, some say more and some say less.  Going by strictly
> cosmetic features there can be as many as 37 however, if you go by more
> biological and biochemical differences - differences that aren't measured
> by just looking at someone and noting several physical atributes, there
> are basically four races: A, B, AB, and O - blood types.  Blood types are
> hereditary, not affected by environment, constant, and there are only four
> of them.  If you wanted to give blood to a friend who is the same "race"
> as you but not the same blood type your blood could kill them.  However,
> it is more than likely that someone else will have the same blood type as
> your friend and that that person doesn't necessarily have to be the same
> "race" or ethnic background etc.  You yourself may very well be a good
> tissue match for an african or asian or native american or australian
> aborigine - and vise versa.  There are many people walking around
> today with kidneys, hearts, livers, bone marrow, blood, corneas, etc 
> from people of a different "race" than their own.  

Actually, blood types are usually, though not exclusively, peculiar to one
group.  Whites are generally type A, Orientals type B, Amerinds type O.

> humans, as a species, have never been adverse to sleeping with anyone, no
> matter how "different" the skin color or eye shape or hair color may be.  

That's often, but not always, true.  The Vikings, for example, didn't mix
with the "skraelings".

It sounds more like you're telling us how YOU'D like the world to be, than
being honest and admitting how it really is.

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Re: My theory of Asians.
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In a previous posting, Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, JAMES NGUYEN (carndy@suburbia.apana.org.au) writes:
> (snip)
>> 
>> Movie review aside, the purpose of this post is to comment a little on 
>> how accurately neo-nazis were depicted in the film. Oh, I know whatcha 
>> thinking. James is slagging us off again! That's exactly right. Neo-nazi
>> group exists because there are losers in society. I mean we have clubs 
>> for everybody and everything why not have one for losers? 
> 
>  Yeah right James...Losers like Henry Ford, Houston Stewart Chamberlain,
> Walt Disney, Charles Lindberg, Cmdr George Lincoln Rockwell, Bernard Shaw and
> countless other rational and successful non-German supporters of National
> Socialist ideology.
> 
> You be a good little "gook" and keep eating the media's lies.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --
> The great epochs of our life come when we gain the courage 
> to rechristen our evil as what is best in us.  
>                                                 -Friedrich Nietzsche

Actually, there's a great article on Orientals in this month's
"Instauration".  

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Henry McDaniel (mcdaniel@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>>> Someone who uses the word "patriot" in quotation marks is most likely
>>> very full of himself. 
>>> 
>>> I wonder how you explain away all the blood spilled by non-white U.S.
>>> soldiers in Vietnam.  Not that I'm too interested in your twisted
>>> dreamscape.
> 
>>What?  Are you talking about the VC?  If so, I would expect you to be
>>arguing AGAINST non-Whites having guns.
> 
>>Or are you talking about the ARVN?  In which case, I would expect you to
>>be arguing against any ideology (in this case, communism and capitalism)
>>that pits one man against his racial brother.
> 
>>Les
> 
> A bigot who can't read.  No why doesn't that surprise me?  Which part
> of "non-white U.S. soldier in Vietnam" did you not understand dufus?
> Oh.  I get it, you were just avoding the issue.   I'd tell you to go
> somewhere hot and permanent, but that wouldn't be nice.

You're right, it wouldn't.

You're also right, I read too fast.  However, it's not "avoiding the
issue" - the same objection arises if you want to talk specifically about
non-White U.S. soldiers:  it's the height of insanity to allow non-Whites
to have access to guns and (especially) explosives.  "Fragging" (tossing
frag grenades at officers) was a Black vs. White phenomenon.  Of course,
now you're going to deny, deny, deny.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Alister Air, mincing faggot
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In a previous posting, Mud Puppy (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>> 	Why, then, does homosexual behavior exist among animals? 
>>
>>Only under conditions of abnormality (overcrowding, starvation,
>>malnutrition, etc.)
> 
> Yes, like in the Dolphin world, where overcrouding, starvation, 
> and malnutrition are BIG problems!  What, with all those dolphins 
> crouding in to that tiny ocean, and with such small ammounts of fish in 
> the MIDDLE of the ocean.  I see your point.  

Lizard!  Not been keeping up on your environmentalism?

Okay, looks like I'll have to explain something to you:  the oceans are an
ecosystem that has been heavily disrupted by man.

Anyway, I've never heard of queer dolphins until now.

Les


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Subject: "Pyramid"?
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In a previous posting, Stephan Monette (bp254@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:
>>     Just keeping this alive for the number 2 Coward in white-power.  A non
>> spelling jack ass who runs when challenged.  I love it.  Well guess what
>> Sub Nuts,  we're gonna keep this post a rollin.  Doin it so you can get a
>> look at it every day.
>> 
>> Pyramid
> 
> ...time for your medication, "Pyramid". What a stupid name.

WAIT!!!  I get it now!  He calls himself "Pyramid" because he's gonna tell
us next that BLACKS built the pyramids!  "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

Les

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Subject: Re: Hoo boy!  ANOTHER guilty German!
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In a previous posting, Reuben Logsdon (Hate@mail.utexas.edu) writes:

(snip)

> The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Satan came to this world in 1914 
> to set the stage for the Last Days.  By their theories, the two world 
> wars were ordained by God and were started by either Satan himself or 
> the White horse referenced in Revelation, who "went out to conquer 
> in many battles and win the war."
> 
> By their theories, the next steps in the final coming of Jesus will be 
> the outbreak of anarchy everywhere, followed by famine, and then 
> plague.

Interesting.

The JoHos may be kooks, and race-mixers par excellence, but they have SOME
things (somewhat) right.

The "anarchy" could be the urban unrest and tension that increasingly
gives way to violence.

Africa is constantly having one famine after another.

Plagues?  Well, we don't have any real plagues yet, although we DO have
some widespread diseases.

Don't need a bunch of Hebrew stories to confirm these things, though.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Militant jews!
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In a previous posting, Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> Really?  Can you, like, quote an example?
> 
>>Sure.  Anything by Phillip Kirschner is pretty good.  Bruce Lewis also
>>seems to be making some inroads in that direction.
> 
> You seem to have an idiosyncratic (that's a polite word for "stupid") 
> definition of the word "quote" as you do of the word "ignore."  

(for those of you who don't know, Joel is one of those shyster-types who
wants everyone else to do his work for him).

Shall I turn you towards the sunlight every so often, too?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: More funny jew jokes! (was: Re: Funny joke!!!)
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In a previous posting, Michael Evans (bd613@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> In a previous posting, Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> 1)  What's the difference between a Jew and a canoe?
>> 	The canoe tips!!!
>> 
>> 2)  How was copper wire invented?
>> 	Two jews found the same penny!
>> 
>> 3)  What's a jewish dilemma?
>> 	Free bacon.
>> 
>> 4)  Why are jewish noses so big?
>> 	Because air is free!
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sylvie Charbonneau
>> 
> 
> 	Sylvie, you forgot:
> 
>   5) How do you get 20 Jews into a phone booth?
> 	Toss a quarter in.
> 
>   6) How do you start the Jewish marathon?
> 	Roll a quarter down the street.
> 
>   7) Why do Jews play football?
> 	So they can get the quarterback.
> 
> 
> Just couldn't resist!

Here's a couple more:

8)  How can you tell when a jew is lying?
	His mouth is open!

9)  How does a jew say, "Fuck you!"
	"Trust me."

Les

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Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> how can you say that white women are the most beautiful creature on this
> earth when you know good and will that beauty (female beauty) was
> defined by white men only.  So obviously white men are going to say that
> their women are the 'most beautiful' and that all of the other races of
> women around the world have to measure up to them.

Right.  It also happens to be true that White women are far and away more
beautiful than non-White women.

> Let me ask you a question?  If white women are so beautiful, then why can't
> they express their beauty without adding on another face-makeup?

The old "wanna be Black" argument.  I suppose next you'll be telling us
that White women tanning is a sign that they unconsciously want to be like
Black women?

Why do Oriental women get their epicanthic folds removed, making their
features more "White", and less Oriental?

Why do all the "Black" supermodels look White?

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Uh... hi, Les!
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Typical liberal crap.  *yawn*
> 
> 	No.  Dumb.  Idiot.  Assumption.  I only work within the system 
> because I've not much of a choice if I want an education.  I'm basically 
> apolitical, but you're too busy breaking everyone into the left/right 
> categories that were inherent in the system to begin with.  I'm 
> NON-POLITICAL.  It's like having someone ask the first agnostic whether 
> they worship god or the devil.  If you really need to categorize me, I'm 
> a political non-Euclidean.  But even that isn't right most of the time.  
> The only thing I'm sure of right now is what the horned guy told the old 
> guy in the clouds:  Non serviam.

Gee, your arguments in favour of gun control SOUND just like liberal ones:
 based on an assumption that all men are inherently good, Black as well as
White.

Must be hard trying to distance oneself from "liberals" when one is always
ripping off their arguments, eh?

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Eric Margolis!
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Hey!

I read in the _Ottawa Sun_ of April 13 a claim by Eric Margolis, a jew
scribbler, that ONE HUNDRED MILLION people perished in WWII!  Honest!

So, how many was it, REALLY?

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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In a previous posting, Bill Stuart (ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Al Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) writes:
>> No, we're not Nazis, we're Libertarians, at least I am, but one who is
>> not afraid of being branded anti-Semitic by those wonderful people who
>> gave you Sabra and Shatila.
> 
> 	Sabra and Shatila are...?

Two Palestinian refugee camps that were assaulted by Lebanes Christian
mercenaries in 1984.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Collapse of Griswold
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In a previous posting, John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Cuaght with his pants down on US rape statistics--having fabricated
> them, in fact--our Mr. Griswold then got his dates wrong, and complains
> that he did so because he was being harried by his opponents. He has
> neither the honour nor, frankly, the stones, to admit that he was caught
> and to apologize.
> 
> No one should expect better from this defender of Aryan superiority. A few
> months ago, on a local newsgroup (ncf.general), he kept many of us
> transfixed as he advanced the notion that Hitler was actually a tall,
> blond superman, and that documentaries showing him to be the short,
> lowering, twitchy piece of vermin he was, were all faked.
> 
> As I said awhile ago, folks--don't waste your energy. 

So, why do you?

Les

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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I read in the _Ottawa Sun_ of April 13 a claim by Eric Margolis, a jew
>scribbler, that ONE HUNDRED MILLION people perished in WWII!  Honest!
>
>So, how many was it, REALLY?

Typical estimates are at least 60 million, scribbler.

I'm not certain whether the typical 60M figure includes the Pacific
theater. If not then it probably approaches 100M.


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>In a previous posting, Bill Stuart (ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> In a previous posting, Al Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) writes:
>>> No, we're not Nazis, we're Libertarians, at least I am, but one who is
>>> not afraid of being branded anti-Semitic by those wonderful people who
>>> gave you Sabra and Shatila.
>> 
>> 	Sabra and Shatila are...?
>
>Two Palestinian refugee camps that were assaulted by Lebanes Christian
>mercenaries in 1984.

Ah, ok, so this person isn't afraid of being branded anti-semitic by
Lebanese Christian mercenaries?

I suppose that does come up from time to time...

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> how can you say that white women are the most beautiful creature on this
> earth when you know good and will that beauty (female beauty) was
> defined by white men only.  So obviously white men are going to say that
> their women are the 'most beautiful' and that all of the other races of
> women around the world have to measure up to them.

Right.  It also happens to be true that White women are far and away more
beautiful than non-White women.

> Let me ask you a question?  If white women are so beautiful, then why can't
> they express their beauty without adding on another face-makeup?

The old "wanna be Black" argument.  I suppose next you'll be telling us
that White women tanning is a sign that they unconsciously want to be like
Black women?

Why do Oriental women get their epicanthic folds removed, making their
features more "White", and less Oriental?

Why do all the "Black" supermodels look White?

Les


--
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		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Re: Uh... hi, Les!
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Typical liberal crap.  *yawn*
> 
> 	No.  Dumb.  Idiot.  Assumption.  I only work within the system 
> because I've not much of a choice if I want an education.  I'm basically 
> apolitical, but you're too busy breaking everyone into the left/right 
> categories that were inherent in the system to begin with.  I'm 
> NON-POLITICAL.  It's like having someone ask the first agnostic whether 
> they worship god or the devil.  If you really need to categorize me, I'm 
> a political non-Euclidean.  But even that isn't right most of the time.  
> The only thing I'm sure of right now is what the horned guy told the old 
> guy in the clouds:  Non serviam.

Gee, your arguments in favour of gun control SOUND just like liberal ones:
 based on an assumption that all men are inherently good, Black as well as
White.

Must be hard trying to distance oneself from "liberals" when one is always
ripping off their arguments, eh?

Les

--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jews and the U.S.S. Liberty
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In a previous posting, Max Rudoi (c1071525@techst02.technion.ac.il) writes:

(snip)

>>Yeah, like when you tried to sink the U.S.S. Liberty during the war with
>>Syria?  Hey, weren't you guys SUPPOSED to be allied with the U.S.?  I call
>>attacking an unarmed surveillance ship the height of cowardice, not
>>bravery.  You still never hear about the 30+ sailors who were killed that
>>day, or the 200+ who were wounded.  Yet one Palestinian Hamas member blows
>>up a few Israeli soldiers, and the whole newsmedia goes nuts.  Hmm... kinda
>>makes you wonder, doesn't it?
> 
>>--
>>Sylvie Charbonneau
> 
> I heard about this case when israeli planes attacked an american ship.
> They have misstaken in a target identifiacation. It was an accident,
> not by intention of course.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  The "mistaken identity" excuse was thoroughly
discredited.  Among other things, the Liberty was flying an oversized
American flag, and its silohouette was easily identifiable.

> And i'm sorry that it has happend and people have died but i don't think it
> shoud be a reson to justify palestinian terrorist action like it's a kind o
> revenge for this case.

She never said it was.  She merely commented on the mysterious (no doubt
unintentional) covering up of the assault on the U.S.S. Liberty, compared
to the world-wide shriek-fest we are subjected to when ANY jew, anywhere
in the world, gets capped.

Les


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

[snip previous posts]

   Thanks for your candour.

   It's always refreshing to see how "patriots" mistake their fellow Whites
   for the "enemy", simply because they're willing to say something that all
   "patriots" are afraid to - namely, that it's a RACE thing.

Erm.  Your posting (and your .sig) appear to indicate that you feel that
whites (a limited set of those with light skin) are in some way threatened 
by other races working in concert within their race and possibly between
races against the "white" man.  From what I know about organizations that
preach these ideas, you also probably believe that the US should be a 
"white" nation, that it eventually will be (after a "final war"), and 
that one of the main problems is a lack of Christianity in the US.

As a young white man myself, I have never understood how a person with two
brain cells to rub together could possibly believe such things.  As a 
patriot fighting for my rights (peacefully now, but I'm prepared for worse),
I have never felt any reason to be afraid of blacks or Jews or whichever
enemy you claim is after us.  I have been much more afraid of the people
in positions of power throughout the US and the world, no matter what 
color their skin.  It is people like Jesse Helms and other false moralists
who I am most afraid of.  Those are the people who afraid of individuals
having privacy, being able to defend themselves, being able to survive
without the government. 

The only thing I think about blacks is that the system should get off their
back and get rid of programs like Affirmative Action, The War on (Some)
Drugs, and Welfare which do so much to destroy black families and continue
to hold blacks back.  The rest of the time I just stop myself from thinking
stereotypes and go ahead and talk to them.  The ones I run into at school
are remarkably friendly once they get over their suprise at having a white
man talking to them, meeting their eyes, and actually listening to them.

I have never seen it as a race thing.  Actually, now that I think about
it, I am more afraid of you and those like you (armed white-supremacist 
organizations) than I am of plenty of other things.  Should you ever be
using those guns in your "final war" I'll be on the other side, and damn
proud to be counted among them.

I only hope I see you first :)

   --
   ... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
   their strength.
		   -- William G. Simpson

The whole concept of race-superiority is anathema to a thinking person. 
                                               -- me

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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Shawn Reimerdes  wrote:
>>Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) wrote:
>>: You and Brian Bagnall must read the same books.  Doesn't anyone bother to
>>: read anthropology or genetics or even basic biological and history texts
>>: anymore before posting opinions as though they are facts?  Yow, the state
>>: of education these days - very sad.  Go the library, honey, you might just
>>: learn a few things.  Open your mind as well and take a reality check -
>>: your numbers are very off.
> 
>>	Where do you think I'm getting my information from there missy?  
>>I do alot of anthropological and genetic reading.  It is theorized that 
>>Homo erectus left Africa about 100,000 years ago, right.  So H erectus 
>>evolved into H sapiens within that time.  Different stocks of sapiens 
>>developed in different parts of the world, seperated by distance and 
>>natural land barriers.  Possible and likely that the Europeans mated w/ 
>>Neanderthals which would make them that much different that the other 
>>groups of H sapiens.  Gene mutation, enviromental factors, natural 
>>selection lead to the proliferation of these groups.
> 
>>	Not all races are evolutionarly at the same stage!  
>  
> Perhaps you can explain to me a few things.  Genetically speaking, there
> is a 99.9% similarity between humans (regardless of race, it's the same
> for all races) and primates.  This means that when the chromosomes of a
> human and those of a primate (chimp) are dentaured then renatured 99.9%
> will bind together regardless of source.  This is a very simply
> description but it'll do.  It's a fairly common way of determining genetic
> closeness between species.  Human to human it's 100%.  So, that tells us
> that humans and primates are very close genetically.  When you consider
> that all humans are probably 0.001% or less genetically similar, well,
> there's not a lot of room for evolutionary variance, at least not what
> you're saying.  Humans are all the same species and yes, the same
> subspecies - I've yet to see any conclusive or even strongly hinting
> evidence to negate this claim.  Since I work in the field of Biological
> science, I think I'd have heard something.  
> 
Perhaps you can explain a few things to ME.  Where did you get this 99.9%
figure?  It really sounds like wishful thinking, instead of actual science.

Apes may be 99.9% similar to us genetically, anyway, but your claims have
no foundation in reality.  Just what are you trying to say?

> Regarding races, many anthropologists will agree that racial lines are
> often drawn very arbitrarily.  For example, some surmise that there are 37
> different races, some say more and some say less.  Going by strictly
> cosmetic features there can be as many as 37 however, if you go by more
> biological and biochemical differences - differences that aren't measured
> by just looking at someone and noting several physical atributes, there
> are basically four races: A, B, AB, and O - blood types.  Blood types are
> hereditary, not affected by environment, constant, and there are only four
> of them.  If you wanted to give blood to a friend who is the same "race"
> as you but not the same blood type your blood could kill them.  However,
> it is more than likely that someone else will have the same blood type as
> your friend and that that person doesn't necessarily have to be the same
> "race" or ethnic background etc.  You yourself may very well be a good
> tissue match for an african or asian or native american or australian
> aborigine - and vise versa.  There are many people walking around
> today with kidneys, hearts, livers, bone marrow, blood, corneas, etc 
> from people of a different "race" than their own.  

Actually, blood types are usually, though not exclusively, peculiar to one
group.  Whites are generally type A, Orientals type B, Amerinds type O.

> humans, as a species, have never been adverse to sleeping with anyone, no
> matter how "different" the skin color or eye shape or hair color may be.  

That's often, but not always, true.  The Vikings, for example, didn't mix
with the "skraelings".

It sounds more like you're telling us how YOU'D like the world to be, than
being honest and admitting how it really is.

Les


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Subject: Re: My theory of Asians.
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In a previous posting, Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, JAMES NGUYEN (carndy@suburbia.apana.org.au) writes:
> (snip)
>> 
>> Movie review aside, the purpose of this post is to comment a little on 
>> how accurately neo-nazis were depicted in the film. Oh, I know whatcha 
>> thinking. James is slagging us off again! That's exactly right. Neo-nazi
>> group exists because there are losers in society. I mean we have clubs 
>> for everybody and everything why not have one for losers? 
> 
>  Yeah right James...Losers like Henry Ford, Houston Stewart Chamberlain,
> Walt Disney, Charles Lindberg, Cmdr George Lincoln Rockwell, Bernard Shaw and
> countless other rational and successful non-German supporters of National
> Socialist ideology.
> 
> You be a good little "gook" and keep eating the media's lies.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --
> The great epochs of our life come when we gain the courage 
> to rechristen our evil as what is best in us.  
>                                                 -Friedrich Nietzsche

Actually, there's a great article on Orientals in this month's
"Instauration".  

Les

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In a previous posting, Henry McDaniel (mcdaniel@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>>> Someone who uses the word "patriot" in quotation marks is most likely
>>> very full of himself. 
>>> 
>>> I wonder how you explain away all the blood spilled by non-white U.S.
>>> soldiers in Vietnam.  Not that I'm too interested in your twisted
>>> dreamscape.
> 
>>What?  Are you talking about the VC?  If so, I would expect you to be
>>arguing AGAINST non-Whites having guns.
> 
>>Or are you talking about the ARVN?  In which case, I would expect you to
>>be arguing against any ideology (in this case, communism and capitalism)
>>that pits one man against his racial brother.
> 
>>Les
> 
> A bigot who can't read.  No why doesn't that surprise me?  Which part
> of "non-white U.S. soldier in Vietnam" did you not understand dufus?
> Oh.  I get it, you were just avoding the issue.   I'd tell you to go
> somewhere hot and permanent, but that wouldn't be nice.

You're right, it wouldn't.

You're also right, I read too fast.  However, it's not "avoiding the
issue" - the same objection arises if you want to talk specifically about
non-White U.S. soldiers:  it's the height of insanity to allow non-Whites
to have access to guns and (especially) explosives.  "Fragging" (tossing
frag grenades at officers) was a Black vs. White phenomenon.  Of course,
now you're going to deny, deny, deny.

Les


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In a previous posting, Mud Puppy (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>> 	Why, then, does homosexual behavior exist among animals? 
>>
>>Only under conditions of abnormality (overcrowding, starvation,
>>malnutrition, etc.)
> 
> Yes, like in the Dolphin world, where overcrouding, starvation, 
> and malnutrition are BIG problems!  What, with all those dolphins 
> crouding in to that tiny ocean, and with such small ammounts of fish in 
> the MIDDLE of the ocean.  I see your point.  

Lizard!  Not been keeping up on your environmentalism?

Okay, looks like I'll have to explain something to you:  the oceans are an
ecosystem that has been heavily disrupted by man.

Anyway, I've never heard of queer dolphins until now.

Les


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Subject: "Pyramid"?
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In a previous posting, Stephan Monette (bp254@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Pyramid 00 (pyramid00@aol.com) writes:
>>     Just keeping this alive for the number 2 Coward in white-power.  A non
>> spelling jack ass who runs when challenged.  I love it.  Well guess what
>> Sub Nuts,  we're gonna keep this post a rollin.  Doin it so you can get a
>> look at it every day.
>> 
>> Pyramid
> 
> ...time for your medication, "Pyramid". What a stupid name.

WAIT!!!  I get it now!  He calls himself "Pyramid" because he's gonna tell
us next that BLACKS built the pyramids!  "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

Les

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In a previous posting, Reuben Logsdon (Hate@mail.utexas.edu) writes:

(snip)

> The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Satan came to this world in 1914 
> to set the stage for the Last Days.  By their theories, the two world 
> wars were ordained by God and were started by either Satan himself or 
> the White horse referenced in Revelation, who "went out to conquer 
> in many battles and win the war."
> 
> By their theories, the next steps in the final coming of Jesus will be 
> the outbreak of anarchy everywhere, followed by famine, and then 
> plague.

Interesting.

The JoHos may be kooks, and race-mixers par excellence, but they have SOME
things (somewhat) right.

The "anarchy" could be the urban unrest and tension that increasingly
gives way to violence.

Africa is constantly having one famine after another.

Plagues?  Well, we don't have any real plagues yet, although we DO have
some widespread diseases.

Don't need a bunch of Hebrew stories to confirm these things, though.

Les

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In a previous posting, Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> Really?  Can you, like, quote an example?
> 
>>Sure.  Anything by Phillip Kirschner is pretty good.  Bruce Lewis also
>>seems to be making some inroads in that direction.
> 
> You seem to have an idiosyncratic (that's a polite word for "stupid") 
> definition of the word "quote" as you do of the word "ignore."  

(for those of you who don't know, Joel is one of those shyster-types who
wants everyone else to do his work for him).

Shall I turn you towards the sunlight every so often, too?

Les


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It's kind of neat how people assume that *I* made up those rape
statistics, just because someone else could provide a lot of fancy numbers
and TOLD you what they (supposedly) said.

Les

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In a previous posting, Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <3mhgst$f52@news.bu.edu> sreimerd@cs.bu.edu (Shawn Reimerdes) writes: 
> 
>>I do alot of anthropological and genetic reading.  It is theorized that 
>>Homo erectus left Africa about 100,000 years ago, right.  So H erectus 
>>evolved into H sapiens within that time.  Different stocks of sapiens 
>>developed in different parts of the world, seperated by distance and 
>>natural land barriers.  Possible and likely that the Europeans mated w/ 
>>Neanderthals which would make them that much different that the other 
>>groups of H sapiens.  Gene mutation, enviromental factors, natural 
>>selection lead to the proliferation of these groups.
>>
>>	Not all races are evolutionarly at the same stage!  
> 
> Obviously, since you have the reading comprehension level of
> your average baboon. Or, most likely, you've read this complete
> hogwash in the "Nazi Pseudoscience and Revisionist Handbook" which
> has just the facts necessary to make you look like you have an IQ of 13.
> 
> This would also explain why you would be stupid enough to flaunt your
> ignorance in front of many hundreds or thousands of laughing, highly
> entertained people.

Actually, Lane, I've read the same thing, and not in any "Nazi" literature
(well, you types would slam it as "Nazi" literature because it disproves
your "one race" dream).  It was by Carleton S. Coon.

I don't see what's so hard to believe about several branches of H. Erectus
crossing the threshhold of Sapiens at different times, especially when all
the anthropological evidence supports this.  Of course, it's much more fun
to slam people who think that way as "Nazis", in accordance with the
dictates of St. Marx, isn't it, than to actually ANSWER them, or ignore them.

Les

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In a previous posting, Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes: 
> 
>>In a previous posting, R.H.Aidley (R.H.Aidley@shef.ac.uk) writes:
> 
>>> - with ( I use your figure ) 100 000 years of seperation, we've had time to
>>> diverge our gene-pools. To combine them now would give our species an
>>> evolutionary boost, not an evolutionary step-back.
>>
>>Hey, we had a common ancestor with the great apes, too.  Why not breed
>>with them and get the best of both worlds? 
>>
>>Les
> 
> I doubt she'd find attractive enough, Les. Maybe you can get together
> with BARD though - he seems to be looking for australopithicus mate.

Nice flame.  I should have expected something like that from you, although
I'm surprised that you'd even venture into this, seeing as how silly (and
increasingly, groundless) your position looks.

Les


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In a previous posting, Tom Lathrop (tlathrop@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>Perhaps you can explain a few things to ME.  Where did you get this 99.9%
>>figure?  It really sounds like wishful thinking, instead of actual science.
>>
>>Apes may be 99.9% similar to us genetically, anyway, but your claims have
>>no foundation in reality.  Just what are you trying to say?
> 
> Actually the usual statement is that humans share 98% of their genes
> with chimpanzees.  The real lesson to be learned here is that small
> genetic differences can be highly important.  Anti-racists are fond of
> quoting apparently small numbers (for example, the claim that only 6%
> of human genetic variation is due to race) without providing any
> context or background that would allow you to determine what such
> numbers actually mean.  This is of course because they have an agenda,
> and are using these numbers as propaganda.  They have no interest in
> your actually understanding their numbers, because then you might
> realize those numbers don't actually support their position (e.g., that
> "race doesn't exist", that intellectual differences between the races
> are impossible, etc.).

Actually, that's very important to remember when discussing race with an
equalitarian.  There's a feeling prevalent that equalitarians are just
nice people who have their facts wrong, or haven't seen all the evidence. 
Rarely or never are their motives called into question.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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... on ADV, about Black seperatism.  I can't recall the name of the Black
seperatist on there at the moment, but he based much of his belief on the
teachings of Marcus Garvey.

The neat part was when he was talking about repatriation of American
Blacks to Africa.  Of course, he got indignant that the U.S. government
should pay for it, since they benefitted for hundreds of years from Black
slavery.  But then I got to thinking:  sure, they have their hand out yet
again, but this would be the LAST TIME.  No more welfare, no more transfer
payments so that they wouldn't riot, no more Affirmative Action,
employment "goals", or any of the rest.  No more legal farces as we tried
to accomodate Blacks in our legal system.  No more massive bills for
prisons and law enforcement.

The bottom line is, how can we afford NOT to pay for Black repatriation?

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What does Les do for a living?
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>Or just the important ones.  "Lesbians" is no longer the mark of
>>distinction it once was.  NOW, to be significant, one has to be a lesbian
>>of colour.
> 
> 	Actually, I have a rather amusing anecdote about that.  At the 
> site of the "Stonewall Rebellion," the City of New York put up a statue 
> of a gay couple and a lesbian couple.  Some gays were very offended 
> because the statues looked too white.  Instead of recognizing the city's 
> relative open-mindedness in creating a memorial to the Gay Liberation 
> movement, they had to kvetch because the city wasn't "P.C." _enough_.
> 
> 	Personally, I find this kind of garbage counterproductive.

I think it's VERY productive, for our cause.  It SHOWS people the petty,
vindictive mind-set of queers and minority lobbyists.

>>> Kevin "Beebe has a point; idiots are for flaming" Filan
>>
>>Does this mean you're going to resort to posting witless comments and what
>>are obviously intended to be sharp, critical thinking that exposes the
>>"fallacy" of National Socialist thought?  Gawd...
> 	
> 	It means I give something the response it deserves.  When Don 
> Black posts an interesting article on separatism, I ask intelligent 
> questions.  When some halfwit boasts about his 1200+ SAT scores and his 
> 3.5 cumulative average (although he can't write to save his ass, he has 
> no idea about anything he's saying, and in any event I got a 1390 on my 
> SATs so I'm a lot smarter than he is anyway), I treat him with no respect.

But... but you guys say that SAT tests and other indicators of
intelligence don't matter anyway!!!  How discriminatory!!!

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, White Nation (an179838@anon.penet.fi) writes:
>   If all racists, White supremacists, and skinheads (I am a member of the 
> first two groups and looking into the third) really wish to guarantee the 
> domination of the White race over others, the way to do so is EDUCATION.
>   We all know that on the great majority of college campuses, even those 
> whose student body is conservative, the environment is liberal because of 
> the nonsense diffused by the liberal media.
>   We, as concerned citizens who have a stake in this country's future, 
> must make our views known and be revered by others. If every racist, 
> White supremacist and skinhead in this country was educated, if would 
> give the movements a much better reputation. Also, our views would 
> permeate currently taboo social discussions.
>   If people (non-racists) see that Whites are the best educated and most 
> cultured individuals, they would be more willing to accept the White 
> supremacist movement. Instead, what they see are a lot of violent, 
> hateful individuals who wish to commit acts of violence upon those of 
> other races. We must change this image. It is up to US to do it IMMEDIATELY!


They do anyway.

>   Also, we must not discriminate in issues of employment and such. If we 
> allow blacks to show themselves utterly incompetent when the ways to 
> economic self-sufficiency are unobstructed (and they most certainly 
> will, hell, they can't even speak correct English), we will have even more 
> ammunition for the White supremacy movement.

Too true.  However, while we're 1) WAITING for this proof, and 2) trying
to get the liberals to ADMIT it, we're creating hardship for our fellow
Whites.

I agree, however, that Blacks are their own worst enemy.

> We must certainly refrain 
> from violence against those of other races; this is a tenet that the 
> White supremacist movement (ironically) should adopt from the Reverend 
> Martin Luther King, Jr.
>   In conclusion, BROTHERS, we must unite in order to ensure the survival of 
> the movement. READ prolifically (not only White supremacist literature, 
> but black racist and multicultural texts [in order to have ammunition 
> {i.e. criticism} to combat liberals and others in debate]), OBSERVE everything 
> (niggers who don't have a job when they are readily available), and GIVE the 
> niggers a chance to prove their own incapability to succeed.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Ross Bagley (rabagley@isdn33.isdn33.eng.UC.EDU) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>    In a previous posting, Cott Lang (cott@cc.gatech.edu) writes:
>    > russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto) writes:
>    > 
>    >>Seems to me that if those bigots want to be on the front lines come
>    >>the revolution, we should encourage them.  If there's gotta be cannon
>    >>fodder, who better?
>    > 
>    > Let 'em clear minefields.
>    > 
>    > -- 
>    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    >    I think - therefore I am not politically correct.    | Vote Libertarian
>    >                                                         |
>    >       The Bill of Rights R.I.P. 1791 - 1994             |  1-800-682-1776
> 
>    I'm truly interested.  Why do you think that the Bill of Rights was in force
>    until 1994?  What happened in late '94 or early '95 to convince you that
>    the Bill of Rights came to a screeching halt?
> 
> Well, Les, I hesitate to speak for the other poster, but I'll tell you
> why I think the Bill of Rights became officially ignored (and thus dead)
> in 1994.  During that year, not for the first time, the government passed 
> a law which was directly contradicted by one of the Amendments to the US 
> Constitution.  Specifically, the gun ban is contradicted by the Second 
> Amendment to the Constitution, and if I could get you to read it, you'd 
> probably figure out that the 2nd Amendment is a part of the Bill of Rights.
> 
No need for sarcasm.

I find it intriguing, though, that you imply that all the previous
governmental interferences with the 2nd Amendment DIDN'T sound its death
knell, and yet THIS one does.  Why is that?

> Since the 2nd Amendment was widely considered to be a final protection of
> the Constitution itself (including the rest of the Bill of Rights) when
> it was included, the fact that it is being ignored so completely by our
> government leads me and other like-minded people to believe that our 
> government places little value in the founding document of this country.

No argument here.  The Canadian government also places little value on
"democracy"; they only want to hear that they're doing a good job, and
ignore doom-sayers.

Les


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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, the young one (yyoon@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> In article <3mo1s3$dov@hustle.rahul.net>,
> Martin S. Singleton  wrote:
>>In conclusion, I would like to cite the very fine work of Thomas Huxley, and
>>especially, the quite relevant treatise "Evidences as to Man's Place in Nature"
>>(1863), wherein the Negro's skull is compared to that of the Caucasion's, in
>>which it is clearly shown that the Negroid's is more apelike with, eg, its
>>prognathy and narrow brain pan. There is also an enlightening discussion of the
>>conformation of the Negroid's skull being intermediate between that of
>>big-brain European man and the lower mammals, such as canines.  Why this is
>>important is that, one doesn't have to go far into the realm of genetics, which
>>is so dependent upon modern investigative techniques, to see what is obvious to
>>the reasoned:  the Negro is of a different, inferior subspecies from the
>>Caucasoid- so let's keep it that way.
> 
> In turn, I would like to cite the very fine work of Stephen Jay Gould, 
> and especially, the quite relevant treatise "The Mismeasure of Man" which 
> shows how 'craniologists' fudged some data and ignored other data, like 
> how Greenlanders have the largest cranial capacity of all 'races.' Why 
> this is important is that, one doesn't have to go far into the realm of 
> gentics, which is so dependent upon modern investigative techniques 
> (gasp!) to see what is obvious to the reasoned: the Caucasoid is inferior 
> to the Greenlander.
> 
Cranial size is ONE indicator of what observation confirms:  that
non-Whites don't have the necessary upstairs equipment to compete with
Whites.  Oh well, anyone who would take Steven Jay Gould seriously...

Les



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In a previous posting, Don Black (dblack@jbx.com) writes:
> In article ,
>    bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) wrote:
> 
>>If Mr. Duke had expressed unadulterated pro-White views of any ideological 
>>persuasion, he would not have been allowed near a controlled media TV camera.
>>Because he expressed a sanitized version of our ideas, the Establishment
>>utilized him as a "vent" for racist feelings, much as Limbaugh is used for
>>venting ultra-conservative views.
> 
> You're way off base here. Had you been around the campaigns, you would know 
> the Establishment didn't consider them a controlled "vent." Our enemies didn't 
> miss a lick when it came to trying to stop the Duke phenomena.

Do you SERIOUSLY think that the half-assed shriek-fest in the news
represented an all-out assault on Duke?  If those at the top had WANTED
him silenced, they WOULD have silenced him, and they wouldn't have given
him all the free publicity they did.  Make no mistake:  I admire Mr.
Duke's courage in facing the adversity he did, but it could have been MUCH
worse.

(snip)

> The State Elections Commission is continuing to press charges for various 
> minor violations of election law, such as the few hundred dollars contributed 
> by people filling out money orders with names like "U R Wonderful." Duke won 
> the first civil trial, but now the state has successfully appealed that 
> decision and plans to retry him. The Establishment is going to have a hard 
> time finding "tools" in the future if that's the way they're treated.

Assuming that they NEED total cooperation and agreement from their chosen
tools.  Have you never heard of "do this or else"?

Les
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jews and the U.S.S. Liberty
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In a previous posting, Derek Suzuki (drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu) writes:
> In , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>In a previous posting, Max Rudoi (c1071525@techst02.technion.ac.il) writes:
>>>>Yeah, like when you tried to sink the U.S.S. Liberty during the war with
>>>>Syria?  Hey, weren't you guys SUPPOSED to be allied with the U.S.?  I call
>>Yeah, yeah, sure.  The "mistaken identity" excuse was thoroughly
>>discredited.  Among other things, the Liberty was flying an oversized
>>American flag, and its silohouette was easily identifiable.
> 	Gun camera footage supported the claim that the flag was not flown
> until well after the attack had begun.

Gee, but the attack went on for over TWO HOURS.  You'd figure that the
U.S.S. Liberty wouldn't have waited two hours to identify themselves,
unless the entire crew was a bunch of ultimate masochists.

> Besides, it wouldn't make much sense for a spy ship to announce its identity
> at the first sign of investigating aircraft.  Once the flag was visible, the
> attack was called off.

Izzat so?

> If the IAF had really wanted to sink an American vessel, why would they stop
> at that point?  And what would they have to gain from it, considering how much
> trouble they went through to avoid pissing off the U.S.?

Who knows?  The Israelis think that they are fulfilling Biblical prophecy
by "reclaiming" Israel from the Palestinians, and woe to anybody who tries
to stop them.

> 	Accidental engagements like that aren't exactly uncommon, anyway.

Oh, well, since you've pronounced that it's an "accidental engagement", I
guess we can all go home now.

> Consider the fairly recent helicopter downing over Iraq, or the numerous cases
> of friendly fire in the Gulf War.

That was incompetence.  Are you accusing the IAF of incompetence, too?

> 	Regardless, Israel apologized and made reparations, much as the U.S.
> did after the Vincennes incident.

Oh, really?

Les


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Subject: Re: Jews and the U.S.S. Liberty
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In a previous posting, Michael Cooperman (cooperma@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : In a previous posting, Max Rudoi (c1071525@techst02.technion.ac.il) writes:
> : > I heard about this case when israeli planes attacked an american ship.
> : > They have misstaken in a target identifiacation. It was an accident,
> : > not by intention of course.
> 
> : Yeah, yeah, sure.  The "mistaken identity" excuse was thoroughly
> : discredited.  Among other things, the Liberty was flying an oversized
> : American flag, and its silohouette was easily identifiable.
> 
> And why was the US ship there?  Didn't the Pentagon know that Israel was 
> about to launch strikes on Egyptian and Syrian airfields as a precursor 
> to the '67 war?  Didn't they know that a US ship there would be 'in the 
> line of fire' and at risk?  

Oh, so the Israelis own international waters now?

The U.S. had stated that it would stop aid to the aggressor, in the event
of war in the Middle East.  Israel didn't want an electronics ship there,
intercepting and deciphering its code, to answer your "rhetorical" question.

> : > And i'm sorry that it has happend and people have died but i don't think it
> : > shoud be a reson to justify palestinian terrorist action like it's a kind o
> : > revenge for this case.
> 
> : She never said it was.  She merely commented on the mysterious (no doubt
> : unintentional) covering up of the assault on the U.S.S. Liberty, compared
> : to the world-wide shriek-fest we are subjected to when ANY jew, anywhere
> : in the world, gets capped.
> 
> Yeah, real cover-up when half the posts on TPE are about this case from 
> thirty years ago.  How about some Christian forgiveness?

Why are you asking for something you don't practice yourself?

Les

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Subject: Big victory...
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There's been an awful lot of crowing lately by the "oy vey!" crowd over
having tripped me up on dates.  The mistake was mine in not reading the
message carefully, but it's to be expected, considering that I was being
hectored left right and center by miserable little shysters, who were
INTENT on badgering me until, frustrated, I made an error they could
pounce on.  Oh well.  Enjoy your semantic victory, kikes...

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Susan Smith...
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I just read yet another message about Susan Smith, which was obviously
intended to:

1)  Disprove that Blacks commit a disproportional amount of violent crime;
and,

2)  That Whites commit a lot of violent crime.

Heavy emphasis continues to be placed on her having fabricated a Black
suspect as the author of her crime, but one point is overlooked:  it
wouldn't have been a believable story if she hadn't created a Black
perpetrator!  Car-jacking is a uniquely Black phenomenon, and she would
have been laughed out of the cop shop if she had told the police about a
"white man stealing my car with my kids in it!"

Les

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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Susan Smith...
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>I just read yet another message about Susan Smith, which was obviously
>intended to:
>
>1)  Disprove that Blacks commit a disproportional amount of violent crime;
>and,
>
>2)  That Whites commit a lot of violent crime.

Since you tend to be confused about most everything you read it would
be helpful if you quoted the article you reference.

If it was my article in response to Donald Black's it was nothing of
the sort, just a tit for tat that if he wants to list individual
crimes by blacks and try to lead somewhere with it then, well, I can
do the same and it really goes nowhere.

>Heavy emphasis continues to be placed on her having fabricated a Black
>suspect as the author of her crime, but one point is overlooked:  it
>wouldn't have been a believable story if she hadn't created a Black
>perpetrator!  Car-jacking is a uniquely Black phenomenon, and she would
>have been laughed out of the cop shop if she had told the police about a
>"white man stealing my car with my kids in it!"

I suppose once she decided to fabricate the entire story and cover up
her own role in murdering her own small children then going with
stereotypes her police force was likely to accept had a certain logic,
from a purely vicious and evil point of view.

I mean, who would believe me if I said a bunch of black skinheads beat
me up. They may exist, but if I were looking for the sympathy of the
police on a purely fabricated story intended to cover up some crime I
committed may as well go with the path of least resistance as far as
my audience is concerned.

Put another way, one rarely comes into school claiming their
*goldfish* ate their homework.

Doesn't really mean much, except what the audience might be more
willing to believe. You don't mean their attitudes are predicated on
only perfect knowledge do you?

The real broken stereotype was that the police, being mostly human,
didn't immediately become suspicious that this seemingly nice little
white girl had just murdered her two small children in cold blood.
Had they suspected this they probably would've gotten to the truth
much more quickly, and the same with the media.

Let's face it, say what you want, they were all flat wrong and misled
by whatever their intuitions told them.

That's the problem.





-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, Derek Abma (dabma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> White Nation (an179838@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
> 
>>   If all racists, White supremacists, and skinheads (I am a member of the 
>> first two groups and looking into the third) really wish to guarantee the 
>> domination of the White race over others, the way to do so is EDUCATION.
>> Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.
> 
>   Oh wait a minute buddy.  Don't you see the flaw in your plan.  Don't
> you see the danger?  I don't want to be a fear monger but education
> has been known to deteriorate ignorance, and ingredient central to
> your cause.  Any other ideas?

Too true.  Which makes me wonder:  how can you be attending university,
and still be so sheep-like?

Les


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

   In a previous posting, Cott Lang (cott@cc.gatech.edu) writes:
   > russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto) writes:
   > 
   >>Seems to me that if those bigots want to be on the front lines come
   >>the revolution, we should encourage them.  If there's gotta be cannon
   >>fodder, who better?
   > 
   > Let 'em clear minefields.
   > 
   > -- 
   > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
   >    I think - therefore I am not politically correct.    | Vote Libertarian
   >                                                         |
   >       The Bill of Rights R.I.P. 1791 - 1994             |  1-800-682-1776

   I'm truly interested.  Why do you think that the Bill of Rights was in force
   until 1994?  What happened in late '94 or early '95 to convince you that
   the Bill of Rights came to a screeching halt?

Well, Les, I hesitate to speak for the other poster, but I'll tell you
why I think the Bill of Rights became officially ignored (and thus dead)
in 1994.  During that year, not for the first time, the government passed 
a law which was directly contradicted by one of the Amendments to the US 
Constitution.  Specifically, the gun ban is contradicted by the Second 
Amendment to the Constitution, and if I could get you to read it, you'd 
probably figure out that the 2nd Amendment is a part of the Bill of Rights.

Since the 2nd Amendment was widely considered to be a final protection of
the Constitution itself (including the rest of the Bill of Rights) when
it was included, the fact that it is being ignored so completely by our
government leads me and other like-minded people to believe that our 
government places little value in the founding document of this country.

But I the original poster may feel something else justifies saying that
the Bill of Rights is dead.

-- Ross Bagley     rabagley@isdn33.eng.uc.edu
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Abma's "reasoning"
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In a previous posting, Derek Abma (dabma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Race mixing is perfectly acceptable.  How do I know this?  Because
> it's possible.

Surely even YOU know that just because something CAN be done, does not
automatically mean that it SHOULD be done.

> Mother nature has been very in setting up barriers between species not
> suitable to procreate with each other.

I assume you meant to include the word "strict", or something of the like,
after the word "very".

If species that CAN cross are such a good idea, why are they infertile?

> Hence you don't see many sheep running around with people's heads in Vermont.
> (Just kidding people of Vermont.  A little joke to prove my point)

Typical.  A liberal "joke" needs to be explained.

Les


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Subject: Re: Militant jews!
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>I just love the spate of jews now who are bragging about the military
>>power of Israel, and how that "proves" that jews got cajones.  Something
>>these kosher winderkind are forgetting, though, is that the Israelis
>>were, and still are, dependent on massive U.S. subsidies for their
>>ability to win.
> 
> This is funny, because with those subsidies, Isreal developes a lot of 
> military hardware FOR the U.S.

Such as...?

I thought that they were to keep the bloodthirsty Arabs at bay.

> A lot of innovations, especially in the feild of fighter jets.
> And considering the country is only 60 or so years old, I'd say they were
> doing pretty good.

Try less than 50 (it was founded on, I believe, May 15, 1948).

>>You'll also never hear mention of the disproportionate number of
>>"battle-fatigue" casualties that the IDF regularly has.  The Six-Day War
>>garnered them 23% "battle-fatigue" casualties.
> 
> And this proves...

... that Israeli soldiers are prone to battle-fatigue.

Les


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In a previous posting, Garter Snake (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>> Anyways, you're embracing the system with open arms again after denouncing
>>> it.  We've talked about this, haven't we?
> 
>>How you figure?
> 
> "The PC system is controled by minorities, man!!!"
> 
> "Here are some non-PC stats from the system to back up my claims against 
> minorities!!!"

These stats AREN'T widely available.

Figure:  who's the bad guy in TV shows?  Why, the White guy, of course!!! 
Preferably one with lots of "Nazi" trappings.

> Make up your mind.  Who controls the system? > -- 

I never changed my mind.  The jews, of course.

Les


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Subject: Re: Liberal this
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In a previous posting, Derek Abma (dabma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Will you guys quit throwing that phrase "liberal" around as if you
> knew what it meant.  It's just a word that you can use in a way to
> generalize every single person who's against you.  Well I got news for
> you, there's alot of conservative members of society who think racism
> is for the birds as well.

And they're just as wienie as the liberals.

Les


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Subject: Re: "Pyramid"?
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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Happy to be back, guys!

We didn't even know you were gone.  Pyramid 00 filled the ignorant nigger
quota quite nicely.

Les


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

   In a previous posting, Cott Lang (cott@cc.gatech.edu) writes:
   > russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto) writes:
   > 
   >>Seems to me that if those bigots want to be on the front lines come
   >>the revolution, we should encourage them.  If there's gotta be cannon
   >>fodder, who better?
   > 
   > Let 'em clear minefields.
   > 
   > -- 
   > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
   >    I think - therefore I am not politically correct.    | Vote Libertarian
   >                                                         |
   >       The Bill of Rights R.I.P. 1791 - 1994             |  1-800-682-1776

   I'm truly interested.  Why do you think that the Bill of Rights was in force
   until 1994?  What happened in late '94 or early '95 to convince you that
   the Bill of Rights came to a screeching halt?

Well, Les, I hesitate to speak for the other poster, but I'll tell you
why I think the Bill of Rights became officially ignored (and thus dead)
in 1994.  During that year, not for the first time, the government passed 
a law which was directly contradicted by one of the Amendments to the US 
Constitution.  Specifically, the gun ban is contradicted by the Second 
Amendment to the Constitution, and if I could get you to read it, you'd 
probably figure out that the 2nd Amendment is a part of the Bill of Rights.

Since the 2nd Amendment was widely considered to be a final protection of
the Constitution itself (including the rest of the Bill of Rights) when
it was included, the fact that it is being ignored so completely by our
government leads me and other like-minded people to believe that our 
government places little value in the founding document of this country.

But I the original poster may feel something else justifies saying that
the Bill of Rights is dead.

-- Ross Bagley     rabagley@isdn33.eng.uc.edu
I do happen to speak for the owner of this cpmputer...


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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Martin S. Singleton  wrote:
>>Remember that Celtic is a racial component to many Eurpean population
>>groupings, such as France, Britain, Wales, as well as Ireland, not to mention
>>the fact that many such Germanic tribes as the Teutons might have been of
>>Celtic origins.  Don't forget also that we're dealing with non-orthodox,
>>assimilated a la Moses Mendelssohn of the 18th cent. Jews, who have freely
>>intermarried with the host populations as previously described.
> 
> Being part Celtic myself... the Celts were originally from the northern
> regions of Spain but then many centuries ago they traveled to what is now
> Ireland and Scotland .  Other Germanic tribes may have at one time come in
> contact with the Celts but that would have been over a thousand years ago.
> 
And your point is...?

>>Politics has no bearing on what I'm saying- I'm merely endeavouring to get at
>>the facts.
> 
> Politics is all you've been talking about - you wouldn't know a fact if it
> bit you in the ass.  You've taken a political agenda and are desperately
> trying to fit your "facts" around it.  From all I have seen of these
> claims and others like them, facts are only there to fit the agenda, if
> they don't fit they are deemed not facts.  This is hardly the scientific 
> method - it's nothing but politics and political agendas.
>
Look who's talking.  Martin keeps presenting facts - all YOU present is
criticisms and sly digs.  It's not very hard to guess what you WANT to be
true, in face of what IS true.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>> Cranial size is ONE indicator of what observation confirms:  that
> 
> How about shape Ernst Roehm?  What does the point at the apex of your
> cranium signify.

Typical.  No arguments, so you resort to mud-slinging.  Pathetic.

>> non-Whites don't have the necessary upstairs equipment to compete with
>> Whites.  Oh well, anyone who would take Steven Jay Gould seriously...
> 
> Gee, after all these years of crypto-racist leftwing Canadians, we've
> finally come across an openly racist rightwing one.

And your point is...?

Les

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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Keith Morrison (t08o@lysithea.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> Message-ID: 
>>
>>Cranial size is ONE indicator of what observation confirms:  that
>>non-Whites don't have the necessary upstairs equipment to compete with
>>Whites.  Oh well, anyone who would take Steven Jay Gould seriously...
> 
> Stephen Jay Gould is one of the world's most respected paleontologists
> and what used to be termed natural philosopher.  He's probably forgotten
> more information about genetics and evolution than you have ever learned.
> 
> Of course, he's probably in good company.  Les probably thinks Einstein
> was a hack physicist.

No, I think he was an overrated physicist.

Guess there'll be no more trips to Lillehammer for you, eh, Keith?

Les


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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) wrote:
>>>Politics is all you've been talking about - you wouldn't know a fact if
>>>it bit you in the ass.  You've taken a political agenda and are
>>>desperately trying to fit your "facts" around it.  From all I have seen 
>>>of these claims and others like them, facts are only there to fit the 
>>>agenda, if they don't fit they are deemed not facts.  This is hardly the
>>>scientific method - it's nothing but politics and political agendas.
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Look who's talking.  Martin keeps presenting facts - all YOU present is
>>criticisms and sly digs.  It's not very hard to guess what you WANT to be
>>true, in face of what IS true.
> 
> Sigh, I have been presenting facts, Les.  I've quoted articles (from
> Science Magazine, a very well respected and widely read scienc magazine)
> and books sources.  Perhaps you've missed those posts?  Well, don't worry,
> I'll repost the facts that I've offered that neither of you seem to have
> read.  Present me with sources (and no, Huxely's work is very dated and
> has been shown to be flawed - the cranial capacity study was also shown to
> be flawed).

Yes, you HAVE been making an awful lot of appeals to authority, because
the position that you have chosen to defend flies in the face of reality. 
So you make outlandish claims (like that ALL homo sapiens are far less
than 1% different genetically), then quote sources, as if that settles it.

Joan, I really haven't the time or the energy to waste in pointing
out the fallacies in your every damn-fool statement.  It's quite obvious
that you have an agenda to fulfill, and us "evil racists" are just a
convenient sounding-board for your loopy ideas.  Well, consider it a
victory if you wish.

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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		-- William G. Simpson


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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) wrote:
>>>Politics is all you've been talking about - you wouldn't know a fact if
>>>it bit you in the ass.  You've taken a political agenda and are
>>>desperately trying to fit your "facts" around it.  From all I have seen 
>>>of these claims and others like them, facts are only there to fit the 
>>>agenda, if they don't fit they are deemed not facts.  This is hardly the
>>>scientific method - it's nothing but politics and political agendas.
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Look who's talking.  Martin keeps presenting facts - all YOU present is
>>criticisms and sly digs.  It's not very hard to guess what you WANT to be
>>true, in face of what IS true.
> 
> Sigh, I have been presenting facts, Les.  I've quoted articles (from
> Science Magazine, a very well respected and widely read scienc magazine)
> and books sources.  Perhaps you've missed those posts?  Well, don't worry,
> I'll repost the facts that I've offered that neither of you seem to have
> read.  Present me with sources (and no, Huxely's work is very dated and
> has been shown to be flawed - the cranial capacity study was also shown to
> be flawed).

Yes, you HAVE been making an awful lot of appeals to authority, because
the position that you have chosen to defend flies in the face of reality. 
So you make outlandish claims (like that ALL homo sapiens are far less
than 1% different genetically), then quote sources, as if that settles it.

Joan, I really haven't the time or the energy to waste in pointing
out the fallacies in your every damn-fool statement.  It's quite obvious
that you have an agenda to fulfill, and us "evil racists" are just a
convenient sounding-board for your loopy ideas.  Well, consider it a
victory if you wish.

Les


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their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Re: Susan Smith...
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In a previous posting, Keith Morrison (t08o@lysithea.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> Message-ID: 
>>
>>Heavy emphasis continues to be placed on her having fabricated a Black
>>suspect as the author of her crime, but one point is overlooked:  it
>>wouldn't have been a believable story if she hadn't created a Black
>>perpetrator!  Car-jacking is a uniquely Black phenomenon, and she would
>>have been laughed out of the cop shop if she had told the police about a
>>"white man stealing my car with my kids in it!"
> 
> Is this so-called predisposition toward car-jackings the result
> of ear-wax variations or differences in hair style?

Here are just five crimes in which non-Whites blamed "White racists" for
their problems:

Tawana Brawley (Black):  October 1987, Wappinger Falls, New York.
-accused 6 White men of kidnapping and raping her.
-admitted a few months later to having made it all up.

Janice Hamlet (Black):  December 1988, Dominican College, Ohio.
-accused Michael Smith of putting racist slurs in his term paper, and
demanded his expulsion.
-later, accused him of writing death threats in letters to her, but the
fingerprints on the envelope were hers, and the handwriting was hers.

Laurie Recht (jew): January, 1988, Yonkers, New York.
-at a public meeting, voiced support for subsidized (read, non-White)
housing, was told by some White nationalists where to go.
-immediately after, she started complaining to police of "racist and
anti-Semitic" threats and graffiti, and threatening phone calls.
-FBI surveilance revealed that SHE was putting up the anti-Semetic
graffiti, and there were no records of phone calls to her apartment at the
times she alleged.

Sabrina Collins (Black):  Emory University, 1990.
-staged racist harassment of herself, including graffiti and vandalism of
her room.

James Oppenheim (jew) student at Binghamton campus of State University of
New York.
-on Novemeber 10 1988, scrawled anti-semetic graffiti on the Jewish
Student Union door.
-arrested in late 1989 and charged with criminal mischief and providing a
false report to the police.

Damage to minority credibility:  zilch.  White racism is STILL trumpeted
as the greatest evil around, while any time a White accuses a Black of a
crime, it's considered questionable, and the liberal feebs run to explain
it as "environmental".

Les

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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) wrote:
>>>Politics is all you've been talking about - you wouldn't know a fact if
>>>it bit you in the ass.  You've taken a political agenda and are
>>>desperately trying to fit your "facts" around it.  From all I have seen 
>>>of these claims and others like them, facts are only there to fit the 
>>>agenda, if they don't fit they are deemed not facts.  This is hardly the
>>>scientific method - it's nothing but politics and political agendas.
> 
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Look who's talking.  Martin keeps presenting facts - all YOU present is
>>criticisms and sly digs.  It's not very hard to guess what you WANT to be
>>true, in face of what IS true.
> 
> Sigh, I have been presenting facts, Les.  I've quoted articles (from
> Science Magazine, a very well respected and widely read scienc magazine)
> and books sources.  Perhaps you've missed those posts?  Well, don't worry,
> I'll repost the facts that I've offered that neither of you seem to have
> read.  Present me with sources (and no, Huxely's work is very dated and
> has been shown to be flawed - the cranial capacity study was also shown to
> be flawed).

Yes, you HAVE been making an awful lot of appeals to authority, because
the position that you have chosen to defend flies in the face of reality. 
So you make outlandish claims (like that ALL homo sapiens are far less
than 1% different genetically), then quote sources, as if that settles it.

Joan, I really haven't the time or the energy to waste in pointing
out the fallacies in your every damn-fool statement.  It's quite obvious
that you have an agenda to fulfill, and us "evil racists" are just a
convenient sounding-board for your loopy ideas.  Well, consider it a
victory if you wish.

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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Subject: Middle Easterners...
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Just had a thought...

Now the Feebies are looking for two "white" guys in the Oklahoma City
bombing, but before they were trumpeting everywhere that two "Middle
Eastern" types were responsible.  Did anybody stop and think that Israel
is also in the Middle East?  When did Middle East become a euphemism for Arab?

Les

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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> Actually, it is perfectly possible for a person to have little or nothing
> in common, genetically, with a grandparent though it isn't very likely as
> there is quite a lot of genetic material involved.  Certain genes are
> regressive and certian genes are dominant and sometimes they create a
> mosaic effect.  My grandmother and her two sisters (especially my
> grandmother) had/have very distinct asian characteristics even though it
> was their great great grandmother who was Japanaese.  My mother has some
> characteristics as well although they aren't pronounced as her mother's
> were.  In fact, the Black Irish (Celtic) and Japanese seem to be the two
> strongest genetic pools in my family with Prussian running a close second.
> Me, I look more Prussian than anything but I am very lactose intolerant
> which means that the Italian and Japanese are still strong.

You keep throwing the fact that you are a mixed-race yourself into our
faces.  Why?  Are you somehow hoping that we'll stop saying such "mean"
things when we're confronted with a mixed-race woman?

This is a subtle (or not so subtle) attempt to change the pitch of the
debate from one of equalitarians vs. hereditarians to one of misogynistic
slobs vs. the "sensitive", "humane" woman.  We have a term for that: 
cowardice.

Les
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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Martin S. Singleton  wrote:
>>This is an interesting point.  All of the Mongoloids and the Negroids are so
>>very similar unto themselves, whereas Caucasoids are quite varied.  Thinking
>>with Huxley, a brilliant biologist of the 19th century whose intuition we
>>shouldn't shun, one could place these former two in intermediate categories
>>between chimpanzees, who all share the same general phenotype, and Western
>>European man.  Yes, that's a good way of looking at it.
> 
> Sigh, I guess it would IF it were the case BUT this is another example of
> wishful thinking and of taking facts that do not fit a particular
> political agenda and declaring them not facts or simply ignoring them.
> No, not all Negroids look alike and neither to all Mongoloids.

Excuse me?

Tell me, Joan, what colour is the sky in your world?

Les


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In a previous posting, Christopher Morton (cmort@NCoast.ORG) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> I'm an only child.  I HAVE no brothers.

That much is obvious.

> My ties of loyalty are based on character.  Too bad you obviously don't have
> any....

Durn, does that mean you won't be my friend?

Les

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Subject: Re: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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In a previous posting, Jeff Han (jhan@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>... on ADV, about Black seperatism.  I can't recall the name of the Black
>>seperatist on there at the moment, but he based much of his belief on the
>>teachings of Marcus Garvey.
> 
>>The neat part was when he was talking about repatriation of American
>>Blacks to Africa.  Of course, he got indignant that the U.S. government
>>should pay for it, since they benefitted for hundreds of years from Black
>>slavery.  But then I got to thinking:  sure, they have their hand out yet
>>again, but this would be the LAST TIME.  No more welfare, no more transfer
>>payments so that they wouldn't riot, no more Affirmative Action,
>>employment "goals", or any of the rest.  No more legal farces as we tried
>>to accomodate Blacks in our legal system.  No more massive bills for
>>prisons and law enforcement.
> 
>>The bottom line is, how can we afford NOT to pay for Black repatriation?
> 
>>Les
> 
>>--
>>... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
>>their strength.
>>		-- William G. Simpson
> 
>    On the same token, Less, why don't the `Whites' all repatriate to Europe?
> Rather than spending money on the `Black problem' (re: racist paranoia), you
> could save it by moving back to Europe.  Seeing as how the U.S. is such a 
> cesspool, why should the `Chosen Race' have to dirty their pristine hands? 
> Go on, go back to Europe, Less, I'm sure they'd welcome you back as one of 
> their own....NOT!  Better plug up your nose- I can see the brains dribbling
> out, you twit.

That Black separatist's name was Dr. Robert Brock, by the way.

Why don't Whites (of which I am one) leave?  Simple:  WE discovered,
explored, settled, built, fought for, died for, this land.  Blacks (and
all other non-Whites) didn't.  THAT'S why we won't leave.

Les


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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:

(snip)

>>Actually, blood types are usually, though not exclusively, peculiar to one
>>group.  Whites are generally type A, Orientals type B, Amerinds type O.
> 
> Do you have a source for this?  Type O is most prevelant in the world
> followed by A and B with AB being the most rare.  This means, according to
> your statement above that most people in the world must be Amerind.  Gee,
> I didn't realize that.  For corraboration check out your local blood bank
> though, because they take blood from people of all races I understand if
> you might be hesitant to check for yourself.

Typical.  I said that blood groups are USUALLY, although not EXCLUSIVELY,
peculiar to one group, yet you take it and run screaming about how I've
said that "type O = Amerind!".

Actually, I'm type A-.  And I got it from _Which Way Western Man_.  The
author's dead, though, so I guess that he's not relevant (you and Kaa have
the same standards, n'est-ce pas?)


Les


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In a previous posting,  (tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Another interesting question is, according to the Bell curve,
> we Orientals have higher IQs then your people. Now I checked
> by Korean history, and not once, did our people marry Celtic/Germanic
> wives. So just exactly where did we get our higher IQs then?
> After all, we are just apes, right? Or are you one of thouse
> liberals who dismiss the Bell curve as racist nonsence.
> Please clear me up on this, I am very confused.
> Love Tom.

Interesting.  _The Bell Curve_ is a load of hooey when it comes to Black
vs. White IQ scores, yet it's an authority when it's Asian vs. Whites, or
jews vs. Whites.  Care to explain that one?  After all, I'm just a po'
White boy, and can't be expected to understand the reasoning of an Asiatic.

Les

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In a previous posting, Zuttroy!) (TWOO@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>>Considering the Mongols conquered and held the biggest empire ever in 
>>>known history I'd think being part Mongol would be a pretty impressive
>>>thing.  
> 
>>Of course, a Stalinist like yourself would be turned on by the colossal
>>barbarity of these little brown devils who built pyramids of skulls to frighten
>>their enemies . . .   No, quite frankly, the Celtic culture, with all of its
>>art and civic organisation and technological prowess had quite a bit more going
>>for it.
> 
> Oh yes.  In the 30's and 40's, they created some lovely architecture for 
> some lovely civic purposes...Auschwitz is certainly a work of *art* in 
> that respect.  And of course, the lampshades of skin, and the soap made by 
> them were certainly artistic statements within themselves.  "Colossal 
> barbarity".  

I thought Auschwitz was in Poland, not Ireland or Scotland.  That's really
relevant to the topic of Celtic accomplishments.

And you might want to keep a lid on that "human soap" shit - no-one buys
it anymore, not even hollow cause hucksters.

> You're a joke.

You were saying...?

Les


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In a previous posting, Rebecca Romani (sz8704@peseta.ucdavis.edu) writes:
> He's quoting Tacitus, about 55-117 AD. Given the dates, I imagine quite 
> afew things have changed since old Tacitus' day, wouldn't you say?

Oh, you're from the Kaa Byington school of "he's dead, so he's wrong" thought.

Well, things may have changed, but more has remained the same.

Les


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In a previous posting,  (tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu) writes:
> In article <3mvsu5$qn5@hustle.rahul.net>,
> Martin S. Singleton  wrote:
>>In <3muhue$e8t@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU> tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu () writes:
>>
>>>B.T.W. why *are* you so tolerant when it comes to pigmentation
>>>differences of eyes and hair, but not skin? I mean, if
>>
>>That's just it, it's not a matter of mere "skin color", and you know it!  So
>>differences in eye and hair color amongst racially pure Germans (or other
>>indo-Germanic peoples) is not a problem.  I'm not disputing what Hitler said,
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ok, tell me if I am wrong about this. I once read Hitler being quoted 
> as saying, "Blond haired blue eyed people are the *most* Aryan people".
> Is that true, or is that just my mis-interpretation?

No, you're just stupid.

> If different hair and eye color was not a problem, then why was it that
> only blond haired and blue eyed women were allowed to donate their
> womb for the womb brigade? I believe they rejected brown haired women
> for the womb brigade. If they are pure German, why were they rejected?

"The womb brigade" story is a load of Allied propaganda, just like the
"Holocaust".

> I also saw the deck of card where they had different eye colors, which
> specificly spells out, blue eyes are better then brown. Am I not
> right?

Ooh, a deck of cards!  Real damning evidence!

> I think you are a race trader, in letting in all this mongrel Germans as
> your people, is that because you are a mongrel youl self? And don't tell me
> it's some romantic abstract ideal, because Dr Mingela specificly did tests,
> trying to prove blond hair blue eyed people are better people.

And I think you're stupid, and hysterical to boot (not hysterically funny,
I meant given to hysteria.)

> Also, did he or did he not have different phenotypical stratification
> ranking who the superior race are, namely blond haired blue eyed
> people? If so, then all brown haired brown eyed people are 
> below them, am I not right about that?
> You see, I am really trying to communicate with you  on your level
> here, unlike the cliche reactionary liberals.  
> I really don't need the Bell curve to know who the smart race are.
> Lets put it this way, in my engineering classes, I don't see 
> too many blonds getting straight 'A's, if you know what I mean.
> I admit, they are good at surfing, laying out in the sun, and
> Frisbee, but math, science and deep thoughts in general, 
> they seem to have some mental
> short comings. Can you please show me what research was done
> to prove blonds are smarter than the rest of us apes?
> Because if us, "Oriental apes" have higher IQ than your people,
> where does that leave you? Stupider than apes, I guess.

One can train an ape to do some pretty amazing things.

> Like that other person said, the Bell curve was funded by
> your people, so you can't dispute their stats, am I not right?

Non sequitir.  It doesn't matter WHO funded it, the science is either
valid, or it's not.  Has NOTHING to do with the funders.

Les

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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>I don't see what's so hard to believe about several branches of H. Erectus
>>crossing the threshhold of Sapiens at different times, especially when all
>>the anthropological evidence supports this.  Of course, it's much more fun
>>to slam people who think that way as "Nazis", in accordance with the
>>dictates of St. Marx, isn't it, than to actually ANSWER them, or ignore them.
> 
> No, not all (in fact very little) anthropological evidence sopports this
> theory of yours.

Bullshit.  Only the evidence YOU'VE quoted supports your "we are the
world" wailing.

> The genetic evidence is quite clear in that humans, more
> so than any other species in fact, have relatively little genetic
> variation.  Most anthropologists are moving away from the theory of "race"
> and it has become more a social construct than a scientific one.  

Really?  Then there must be an AWFUL LOT of variation tied up in that
relatively little genetic variation.  Anyone who would seriously argue
that a Caucasian, a Mongoloid, and a Negroid are essentially alike, with
only superficial differences, is so stupid it defies words.

> I have answered your assertions and those made by Martin with facts and
> sources - you two have not.  Go back to my other posts and read the
> sources I cited (including one by one of the world's leading geneticists,
> Carvelli-Sforza, who spent 14 years looking at the genetic variations
> between 1,800 different populations in the world).  Quoting theories based
> on work done a hundred years ago is hardly proof that your theories are
> correct.

Hey, recent can still be wrong, ie Martin Bernall and his Black Athena
theory.  Oh well.

Les


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Subject: Re: Hoo boy!  ANOTHER guilty German!
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <3mkd1d$ocs@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> Reuben Logsdon   wrote:
> 
>  you're some kind of troller.>
> 
>>The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Satan came to this world in 1914 
>>to set the stage for the Last Days.  By their theories, the two world 
>>wars were ordained by God and were started by either Satan himself or 
>>the White horse referenced in Revelation, who "went out to conquer 
>>in many battles and win the war."
> 
> So it was Satan himself...I thought it was two German facists.

And which two German fascists might those be?  There WAS no fascist
movement in Germany, as far as I know.  This should be really interesting.

Or are you, like most "anti-Nazi" scum, using the word "fascist" as
synonymous with "Nazi", thereby revealing your ignorance yet again?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Pyramid 00: silly Negro
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In a previous posting, Matt (mpierce@iastate.edu) writes:

(a whole lot of complaining about Pyramid.)

His whole purpose in being here is to annoy, dummy.  Haven't you figured
that out yet?

So just ignore him. He'll get tired and go away, eat some peanut butter
or something.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: STEPHAN MONETTE=HUGGYBEAR
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In a previous posting,  (st910248@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) writes:
> STEPHAN HAS BEEN PUTTING EVERYONE ON!!! THE JOKE IS HE IS BLACK.
> HE JUST WANTS TO PRETEND HE IS AN ASSHOLE...BUT I HAD THE FORTUNE
> TO MEET WITH HIM IN OTTAWA...AND SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!--HE WAS
> BLACK.  
> STEPHAN EXPLAINED TO ME THE MEANINGS OF MOHAMMED'S SCRIPTURES...
> FURTHERMORE HE EXPLAINED TO ME THE PROPHETIC MEANINGS OF MALCOLM X'S
> SPEACHES.  I WAS FLABBERGHASTED TO HEAR ABOUT HIS DEVOTION TO ISLAM!
> 
> BOY, HE REALLLLLLLY PUT ONE OVER ON US...LETS STOP WASTING OUR BREATH
> WITH HIM AND CONCENTRATE ON THE REAL NAZI'S ON THIS LINE.
> THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME...
> MaNsTeR

That, and sending him e-mail where you obviously plan to get him angry,
but it just keeps backfiring in your stupid face, and YOU'RE the one who
gets frustrated, eh?

Shit, better not tell your buddies at the B'Nai B'Rith that you can't even
hold your own against a miserable *goy*, or they'll revoke your Passover
priveliges.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nazi's-are the joke.
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In a previous posting,  (st910248@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) writes:
> Whats a smart nazi?
> a dead one.
> 
> Whats long, smelly, and white?
> All those poor nazis waiting in line at the welfare office.
> 
> Theres a jew, an asian, and a nazi in kindergarden...who's the strongest?
> The nazi...he's 23 years old.
> 
> How do you keep a nazi occupied for hours?

Brandeis, you're pathetic.  Are you sure you're REALLY a jew?  I mean,
you're an embarrassment to jews everywhere.  I thought jews were supposed
to be SMART (well, to have a certain animal cunning, anyway), not as dumb
as you obviously are.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: New contest:  name Nik's species!
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In a previous posting, Nik Sydor Estable (bk463@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> In a previous posting, Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> In a previous posting, Derek Abma (dabma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
>>> Race mixing is perfectly acceptable.  How do I know this?  Because
>>> it's possible.
>> 
>> Surely even YOU know that just because something CAN be done, does not
>> automatically mean that it SHOULD be done.
>> 
>>> Mother nature has been very in setting up barriers between species not
>>> suitable to procreate with each other.
>> 
>> I assume you meant to include the word "strict", or something of the like,
>> after the word "very".
>> 
>> If species that CAN cross are such a good idea, why are they infertile?
>> 
> Need I point out that all people are of the same species, and thus this thing
> about species not being able to interbreed is irrelevant in this subject?

"We are the world..."

Nik, give it up.  I've debated more intelligent people than you (Kaa and
Joan, to name two), and THEY can't hide their obvious ideological slant,
so what makes you think that YOU can, when you're an admitted
communist/socialist (like there's a difference)?

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: 'Nuther joke!
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Q:  How do you get rid of all the Orientals?

A:  Tell the Blacks that they taste like fried chicken!

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Laugh?  I thought I'd DIE...

Les

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In a previous posting, Zuttroy!) (TWOO@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>>Considering the Mongols conquered and held the biggest empire ever in 
>>>known history I'd think being part Mongol would be a pretty impressive
>>>thing.  

>>Of course, a Stalinist like yourself would be turned on by the colossal
>>barbarity of these little brown devils who built pyramids of skulls to frighten
>>their enemies . . .   No, quite frankly, the Celtic culture, with all of its
>>art and civic organisation and technological prowess had quite a bit more going
>>for it.

> Oh yes.  In the 30's and 40's, they created some lovely architecture for 
> some lovely civic purposes...Auschwitz is certainly a work of *art* in 
> that respect.  And of course, the lampshades of skin, and the soap made by 
> them were certainly artistic statements within themselves.  "Colossal 
> barbarity".  

I thought Auschwitz was in Poland, not Ireland or Scotland.  That's really
relevant to the topic of Celtic accomplishments.

And you might want to keep a lid on that "human soap" shit - no-one buys
it anymore, not even hollow cause hucksters.

> You're a joke.

You were saying...?

Les

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Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Grawrau Nath (gnath@cs.uml.edu) writes:

(snip)

> If White women are the prettiest, how come both Miss World and Miss Universe
> are Asian(Indian)?

Affirmative action strikes again!

Les

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Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting,  (an232434@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> In article <055358Z14041995@anon.penet.fi> an179838@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> :   If all racists, White supremacists, and skinheads (I am a member of the 
> : first two groups and looking into the third) really wish to guarantee the 
> : domination of the White race over others, the way to do so is EDUCATION.
> 
> And we non-Germanic white boys will educate that we should not kowtow to
> this filthy Anglo agenda.

Prithee do tell, just WHO are these "non-Germanic white boys"?  Never
heard of 'em.

Les

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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Gee, your arguments in favour of gun control SOUND just like liberal ones:
> 
> 	No, I was making a joke.  I honestly don't care if people want to 
> shoot each other;  I just don't want them to shoot *ME*, and that's why I 
> favor gun control as opposed to going out and buying my own gun.  I also 
> don't own a gun because it'd be too much of a temptation.  If you've ever 
> had a gun pointed at you, you know what I mean.

No, you ARE a joke.  The best way to avoid becoming a victim is NOT by
disarming yourself and yielding your manhood.

Sheep get sheared.

> :  based on an assumption that all men are inherently good, Black as well as
> : White.
> 
> 	No, there's no such thing as "good".  it's SUBJECTIVE, dammit.  
> For instance, I think punching you in the nose would be a good idea.  

Is this the obligatory "tough anti-Nazi" sentiment?

> You, of course, are opposed to this, as well as thinking that it would be 
> a good idea if we took all the black people out of their communities here 
> and made them go back to Africa.  (what a pipe dream!  Who would finance 
> this?  The government is way too damned cheap and inefficient as it is.)  

How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
worth it.

> Your problem is that you think the whole world should conform to your 
> idea of "good".  Everyone has that problem.  The thing is, you're WEIRD.
> 
> 	Then again, "weird" is subjective.  Sink me.

Strangely, your One Worlder shit seems perfectly sane to you.  Hmm.

Les


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In a previous posting, Skapunk99 (skapunk99@aol.com) writes:
> Were I, you....I wouldn't flatter myself with all that "divine white skin"
> bullshit. Were I, you....and I was determined to make the pointless point
> that blacks are inferior, I might try to argue intellegntly, rather than
> rant and cus and get caught up in some delusion of granduer. 
> 
> I propose to ask you a question: if there was a way to make the black and
> white races suddenly become equal (black up to your supposed white level
> of machismo superiority) Any way, if that was possable, would you support
> it? Or are you just another chickenshit in need of a scapegoat for all the
> problems you percieve? If you can honestly and intellegently awnser me I
> would be appreciative.
> -Brandon

If there was a way to make Blacks equal to Whites, they wouldn't be Black
anymore, they'd be White.

Les


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Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) says:
>>
>>In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
>>> how can you say that white women are the most beautiful creature on this
>>> earth when you know good and will that beauty (female beauty) was
>>> defined by white men only.  So obviously white men are going to say that
>>> their women are the 'most beautiful' and that all of the other races of
>>> women around the world have to measure up to them.
>>
>>Right.  It also happens to be true that White women are far and away more
>>beautiful than non-White women.

>>> Let me ask you a question?  If white women are so beautiful, then why can't
>>> they express their beauty without adding on another face-makeup?

>>The old "wanna be Black" argument.  I suppose next you'll be telling us
>>that White women tanning is a sign that they unconsciously want to be like
>>Black women?

>      The reason why I said that is because I am trying to get you to think a
>  little bit.  Most white women do not look nice without adding this or adding
> that.  Real beauty is      natural not arificial.

Strange... most (make that ALL) beautiful White women I know don't need to
cake on the make-up.

> Maybe the question I should have asked you was for you to define beauty? And
> don't just say white women.

Why not?  Truth burns your ass?

> But think a little bit.  What makes white women beautiful?

Well, it's like trying to explain colour to a blind person.  White men
know beauty when they see it.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Ferguson  Jodie Lynn (fergusc@server.uwindsor.ca) writes:

(snip)

> If White women were so beautiful, then why rape them.  I've never heard 
> such dumb arguements about this posting as i have just read.
> 1. why in alt.skinheads?

White skinhead women are still White women.

> 2. you don't rape women you think are beautiful.

Excuse me?  Talk about stupid arguments.

> 3. white women and black women alike have tried to mimick one another.
> white women with their tans, curly hair, silicone lips.
> black women with their fading creams and straight hair.

Straight from the Leonard Jeffries Theory of Aesthetics.

> 4. the majority of black supermodels coming out these day have the 
> natural hair, full sized lips and bottoms.

Name one.

> 5.won't comment on orientals because i'm not familiar with their situation.
> (i suggest you take that advice because unless you became a plastic 
> surgeon, black female or police officer in the past few weeks, your facts 
> concerning all of these positions (surgery, supermodels,rape) are only 
> ones contrived in your narrow minded brain.

Better yet:  why not avoid commenting on ANYTHING to do with race, since
you're so obviously looking to be a professional victim?

Les


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Subject: Re: Alister Air, mincing faggot
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>"If you don't bother that hornet, it won't sting you!"
> 
> You're comparing Homosexuals to hornets.. Afraid of being raped by 
> another male?  Now I think we're getting to the very root of all your 
> problems... consider this a councilling session from here on in.  

So this is what it all comes down to, huh?  FYI, I DON'T find the prospect
of being sodomized particularly appealing.  You obviously see nothing
wrong with it.  Let's let everyone here judge as to whether you're the
disturbed one.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, Ray De Frese (rjd4507@vms2.tamu.edu) writes:
> In a previous posting, White Nation (an179838@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> 
>>>   We, as concerned citizens who have a stake in this country's future, 
>>> must make our views known and be revered by others. If every racist, 
>>> White supremacist and skinhead in this country was educated, if would 
>>> give the movements a much better reputation.
> 
> 	If every racist and White supremacist in this country were 
> 	educated, we wouldn't have racists and White supremacists.

Blah, blah, bleat, bleat... all racists are ignorant boobs... education
about the FACTS (read, communist propaganda) of race would "cure" them...

Les
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Subject: Another equalitarian twerp...
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In a previous posting, Matthew L Miller (libmlm@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : White men
> : know beauty when they see it.
> 
> I'm white, Les...does that mean you'll respect my opinion when I say 
> you're making a public fool of yourself?  Just wondering...

*yawn*

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Iranians are Aryans!
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In a previous posting, CYRUS THE GREAT (cyra@wam.umd.edu) writes:
> All I wanted to say, after surfing through this network, is that Iranians
> are the original_Aryans_. I have no problem with your nationalist-views 
> and I find them to have some truth as most points have "truth"in them.

Times change, chum.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Uh... hi, Les!
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : No, you ARE a joke.  The best way to avoid becoming a victim is NOT by
> : disarming yourself and yielding your manhood.
> 
> 	Ummm, whatever.  Don't blame me if you get shot by some 
> anti-racist fanatic because of the slack gun laws.

Like that's not a concern ANYWAY?

> : > For instance, I think punching you in the nose would be a good idea.  
> : Is this the obligatory "tough anti-Nazi" sentiment?
> 
> 	No, it's the purely whimsical "I think punching you in the nose 
> would be a good idea" sentiment.
> 
> : How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
> : one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
> : worth it.
> 
> 	Okay.  But would the black communities support it?  Even if we 
> paid them?  Would the majority of whites in the country support it?  I 
> don't think so...

The White majority doesn't supprt MOST of the initiatives that "our"
governments (Canada and the U.S.) merrily commit us to, so why the sudden
concern with mobocracy?

If the idea was presented to them truthfully, stripped of all the
One-Worlder bullshit that is so common, and presented in its bare-faced
truth of "Do this or die", I think popular support JUST MIGHT be a LITTLE
more than you think.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lincoln's tar-baby!
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) says:
>>
>>In a previous posting, Matthew L Miller (libmlm@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>> : White men
>>> : know beauty when they see it.
> 
>         That's why ex-president Lincoln was really in love with a black women
> not his white wife.  I guess some white men do know beauty when they see it.

New one on me.  I always heard that Thomas Jefferson was a kaffir-lover,
but that's a load of shit, too.

Think about it:  Black women (Negroids) have coneheads, REALLY thick lips,
yellow eyes, pendulous tits... ugh!  How can ANYONE say, with a straight
face, that Black women are beautiful by ANY standard?

Les


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Subject: We OWE the indians?  BWAHAHAHA!!!
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In a previous posting, Scott Kirkham (kirkham@beacon.asa.utk.edu) writes:
>>> a good idea if we took all the black people out of their communities 
> here 
>>> and made them go back to Africa.  (what a pipe dream!  Who would 
> finance 
>>> this?  The government is way too damned cheap and inefficient as it 
> is.)  
>>
>>How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
>>one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
>>worth it.
>>
> I suggest you spend said substantial amount and repatriate yourself. You 
> are the invader, Les. The white man is indeed the invader in this land, 
> regardless of all the ridicuous arguments one might give about "The 
> Native Americans would never have used the land properly, etc..." Horse 
> Puckey. White men invaded the land. Any talk of repatriation should 
> begin with the debt owed the Native American culture.

Hey, chief, "native americans" have already been amply compensated. 
THEY'RE happy with their sattelite dishes, pickup trucks, snow-mobiles,
welfare cheques... none of which, BTW, they would have developed on their
own.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Grawrau Nath (gnath@cs.uml.edu) writes:

(snip)

> If White women are the prettiest, how come both Miss World and Miss Universe
> are Asian(Indian)?

Affirmative action strikes again!

Les

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Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting,  (an232434@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> In article <055358Z14041995@anon.penet.fi> an179838@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> :   If all racists, White supremacists, and skinheads (I am a member of the 
> : first two groups and looking into the third) really wish to guarantee the 
> : domination of the White race over others, the way to do so is EDUCATION.
> 
> And we non-Germanic white boys will educate that we should not kowtow to
> this filthy Anglo agenda.

Prithee do tell, just WHO are these "non-Germanic white boys"?  Never
heard of 'em.

Les

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Subject: Re: Uh... hi, Les!
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Gee, your arguments in favour of gun control SOUND just like liberal ones:
> 
> 	No, I was making a joke.  I honestly don't care if people want to 
> shoot each other;  I just don't want them to shoot *ME*, and that's why I 
> favor gun control as opposed to going out and buying my own gun.  I also 
> don't own a gun because it'd be too much of a temptation.  If you've ever 
> had a gun pointed at you, you know what I mean.

No, you ARE a joke.  The best way to avoid becoming a victim is NOT by
disarming yourself and yielding your manhood.

Sheep get sheared.

> :  based on an assumption that all men are inherently good, Black as well as
> : White.
> 
> 	No, there's no such thing as "good".  it's SUBJECTIVE, dammit.  
> For instance, I think punching you in the nose would be a good idea.  

Is this the obligatory "tough anti-Nazi" sentiment?

> You, of course, are opposed to this, as well as thinking that it would be 
> a good idea if we took all the black people out of their communities here 
> and made them go back to Africa.  (what a pipe dream!  Who would finance 
> this?  The government is way too damned cheap and inefficient as it is.)  

How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
worth it.

> Your problem is that you think the whole world should conform to your 
> idea of "good".  Everyone has that problem.  The thing is, you're WEIRD.
> 
> 	Then again, "weird" is subjective.  Sink me.

Strangely, your One Worlder shit seems perfectly sane to you.  Hmm.

Les


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Subject: Re: //WHY NIGGERS ARE INFERIOR\\
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In a previous posting, Skapunk99 (skapunk99@aol.com) writes:
> Were I, you....I wouldn't flatter myself with all that "divine white skin"
> bullshit. Were I, you....and I was determined to make the pointless point
> that blacks are inferior, I might try to argue intellegntly, rather than
> rant and cus and get caught up in some delusion of granduer. 
> 
> I propose to ask you a question: if there was a way to make the black and
> white races suddenly become equal (black up to your supposed white level
> of machismo superiority) Any way, if that was possable, would you support
> it? Or are you just another chickenshit in need of a scapegoat for all the
> problems you percieve? If you can honestly and intellegently awnser me I
> would be appreciative.
> -Brandon

If there was a way to make Blacks equal to Whites, they wouldn't be Black
anymore, they'd be White.

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) says:
>>
>>In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
>>> how can you say that white women are the most beautiful creature on this
>>> earth when you know good and will that beauty (female beauty) was
>>> defined by white men only.  So obviously white men are going to say that
>>> their women are the 'most beautiful' and that all of the other races of
>>> women around the world have to measure up to them.
>>
>>Right.  It also happens to be true that White women are far and away more
>>beautiful than non-White women.

>>> Let me ask you a question?  If white women are so beautiful, then why can't
>>> they express their beauty without adding on another face-makeup?

>>The old "wanna be Black" argument.  I suppose next you'll be telling us
>>that White women tanning is a sign that they unconsciously want to be like
>>Black women?

>      The reason why I said that is because I am trying to get you to think a
>  little bit.  Most white women do not look nice without adding this or adding
> that.  Real beauty is      natural not arificial.

Strange... most (make that ALL) beautiful White women I know don't need to
cake on the make-up.

> Maybe the question I should have asked you was for you to define beauty? And
> don't just say white women.

Why not?  Truth burns your ass?

> But think a little bit.  What makes white women beautiful?

Well, it's like trying to explain colour to a blind person.  White men
know beauty when they see it.

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: interracial rape
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In a previous posting, Ferguson  Jodie Lynn (fergusc@server.uwindsor.ca) writes:

(snip)

> If White women were so beautiful, then why rape them.  I've never heard 
> such dumb arguements about this posting as i have just read.
> 1. why in alt.skinheads?

White skinhead women are still White women.

> 2. you don't rape women you think are beautiful.

Excuse me?  Talk about stupid arguments.

> 3. white women and black women alike have tried to mimick one another.
> white women with their tans, curly hair, silicone lips.
> black women with their fading creams and straight hair.

Straight from the Leonard Jeffries Theory of Aesthetics.

> 4. the majority of black supermodels coming out these day have the 
> natural hair, full sized lips and bottoms.

Name one.

> 5.won't comment on orientals because i'm not familiar with their situation.
> (i suggest you take that advice because unless you became a plastic 
> surgeon, black female or police officer in the past few weeks, your facts 
> concerning all of these positions (surgery, supermodels,rape) are only 
> ones contrived in your narrow minded brain.

Better yet:  why not avoid commenting on ANYTHING to do with race, since
you're so obviously looking to be a professional victim?

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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Subject: Re: Alister Air, mincing faggot
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>"If you don't bother that hornet, it won't sting you!"
> 
> You're comparing Homosexuals to hornets.. Afraid of being raped by 
> another male?  Now I think we're getting to the very root of all your 
> problems... consider this a councilling session from here on in.  

So this is what it all comes down to, huh?  FYI, I DON'T find the prospect
of being sodomized particularly appealing.  You obviously see nothing
wrong with it.  Let's let everyone here judge as to whether you're the
disturbed one.

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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		-- William G. Simpson


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, Ray De Frese (rjd4507@vms2.tamu.edu) writes:
> In a previous posting, White Nation (an179838@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> 
>>>   We, as concerned citizens who have a stake in this country's future, 
>>> must make our views known and be revered by others. If every racist, 
>>> White supremacist and skinhead in this country was educated, if would 
>>> give the movements a much better reputation.
> 
> 	If every racist and White supremacist in this country were 
> 	educated, we wouldn't have racists and White supremacists.

Blah, blah, bleat, bleat... all racists are ignorant boobs... education
about the FACTS (read, communist propaganda) of race would "cure" them...

Les
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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Another equalitarian twerp...
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In a previous posting, Matthew L Miller (libmlm@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : White men
> : know beauty when they see it.
> 
> I'm white, Les...does that mean you'll respect my opinion when I say 
> you're making a public fool of yourself?  Just wondering...

*yawn*

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Iranians are Aryans!
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In a previous posting, CYRUS THE GREAT (cyra@wam.umd.edu) writes:
> All I wanted to say, after surfing through this network, is that Iranians
> are the original_Aryans_. I have no problem with your nationalist-views 
> and I find them to have some truth as most points have "truth"in them.

Times change, chum.

Les

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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Uh... hi, Les!
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In a previous posting, Mike Toole (slade23@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : No, you ARE a joke.  The best way to avoid becoming a victim is NOT by
> : disarming yourself and yielding your manhood.
> 
> 	Ummm, whatever.  Don't blame me if you get shot by some 
> anti-racist fanatic because of the slack gun laws.

Like that's not a concern ANYWAY?

> : > For instance, I think punching you in the nose would be a good idea.  
> : Is this the obligatory "tough anti-Nazi" sentiment?
> 
> 	No, it's the purely whimsical "I think punching you in the nose 
> would be a good idea" sentiment.
> 
> : How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
> : one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
> : worth it.
> 
> 	Okay.  But would the black communities support it?  Even if we 
> paid them?  Would the majority of whites in the country support it?  I 
> don't think so...

The White majority doesn't supprt MOST of the initiatives that "our"
governments (Canada and the U.S.) merrily commit us to, so why the sudden
concern with mobocracy?

If the idea was presented to them truthfully, stripped of all the
One-Worlder bullshit that is so common, and presented in its bare-faced
truth of "Do this or die", I think popular support JUST MIGHT be a LITTLE
more than you think.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lincoln's tar-baby!
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In a previous posting, Neta (ZXW103@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) says:
>>
>>In a previous posting, Matthew L Miller (libmlm@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>> : White men
>>> : know beauty when they see it.
> 
>         That's why ex-president Lincoln was really in love with a black women
> not his white wife.  I guess some white men do know beauty when they see it.

New one on me.  I always heard that Thomas Jefferson was a kaffir-lover,
but that's a load of shit, too.

Think about it:  Black women (Negroids) have coneheads, REALLY thick lips,
yellow eyes, pendulous tits... ugh!  How can ANYONE say, with a straight
face, that Black women are beautiful by ANY standard?

Les


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Subject: We OWE the indians?  BWAHAHAHA!!!
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In a previous posting, Scott Kirkham (kirkham@beacon.asa.utk.edu) writes:
>>> a good idea if we took all the black people out of their communities 
> here 
>>> and made them go back to Africa.  (what a pipe dream!  Who would 
> finance 
>>> this?  The government is way too damned cheap and inefficient as it 
> is.)  
>>
>>How can we afford NOT to?  I, for one, would GLADLY pay a substantial
>>one-time amount to repatriate Blacks.  The benefits would definitely be
>>worth it.
>>
> I suggest you spend said substantial amount and repatriate yourself. You 
> are the invader, Les. The white man is indeed the invader in this land, 
> regardless of all the ridicuous arguments one might give about "The 
> Native Americans would never have used the land properly, etc..." Horse 
> Puckey. White men invaded the land. Any talk of repatriation should 
> begin with the debt owed the Native American culture.

Hey, chief, "native americans" have already been amply compensated. 
THEY'RE happy with their sattelite dishes, pickup trucks, snow-mobiles,
welfare cheques... none of which, BTW, they would have developed on their
own.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Don Wade:  American Lowell Green
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In a previous posting,  (Don Wade - WLS Talkradio) {Is that supposed
to impress us?} writes:
> In article <20APR95.18343698.0017@IBM.UTM.EDU>, Sylvia Rowe  says:
>>
>>I'm sure you all are just itching to bitch about the "tragic
>>waste of innocent lives" in the car-bombing in OKC. I have
>>just two things to say, and I'm only going to say them once:
>>1) I could give a shit less.
>>2) What about the loss of innocent lives at Waco? You sure
>>as hell didn't see the government get into a lather about
>>killing those people.
>>
>>- Sylvia -
>>
> You fucking cunt!  My regret is that you weren't in either the OKC blast or perishing with the Branch Davidians.
> To write off innocent people because some shmucks down in Texas (who
> ambushed ATF agents to start the whole mess) made some shit decisions, is
> warped thinking.

Sure, sure, Don.  Just keep spouting the "Davidians got what they
deserved!" line - your string-pullers will toss you the occaisional
table-scrap for your efforts.

> I hope your offspring isn't in the wrong place at the wrong time!
> It could just as easily happen to them... and if they carry your genes,
> maybe it's for the better!

But... but... they'd be 99.8% identical to the most abject nigger
half-breed and mongoloid, so they'd be PRECIOUS!

> Have fun in hades bitch, 'cuz you're going there!

I guess she'll be meeting you there.

Les

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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Compensation! (and I don't mean welfare!)
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In a previous posting, RicheSHARP (richesharp@aol.com) writes:
>> Say what you will about us black males, but this much is true:
>> 
>>  Our cocks are both longer and thicker than yours.
> 
> The Creator's compensation for making you stupid and ugly.
> 
> Les
> 
> Can you even come up with a intelligent arguement or just throw out
> shallow insults.

Sure can come up with intelligent arguments.  However, when some randy
Black wants to brag about his pee-pee, all he deserves is a snappy come-back.

> I know more blacks with higher intelligence than you whole fucking crew.  I
> have come to see that you racists fell very threatened by minorities.  It
> must be scary to see your world getting smaller everyday.  With people of
> color taking your jobs and your women you must fear and end to your
> dominance in this country.  You can sterotype and point your fingers
> forever, but you will be a minority yourself someday.

History isn't made by majorities, bub.

> What then fight everyone ? Hide in a shelther ? Lock all your doors and hide
> the children ?  You Supremacists are the real
> "Race Traitors", you are a traitor to the human race of which we all
> belong.  I know many "good white Americans" who hate you and if you came
> waving your flag in their neighborhood you'd be shot.  You will never win
> your petty war because you are outnumbered on everyside.  Fuck your race
> war the government alone will stop you cold. I won't comment on your
> intelligence or mentality but your words speak for themselves.

More typical liberal whining.  Give it up.

Les


--
... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal squirming
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In a previous posting, David Padgett (davidp@scsn.net) writes:
> lester griswold wrote: 
>  
>>>Interesting.  _The Bell Curve_ is a load of hooey when it comes to Black 
>>>vs. White IQ scores, yet it's an authority when it's Asian vs. Whites, or 
>>>jews vs. Whites.  Care to explain that one?  After all, I'm just a po' 
>>>White boy, and can't be expected to understand the reasoning of an Asiatic. 
>  
> and a liberal JACKASS replied: 
>>He was being sarcastic, you idiot. 
>  
> why is it that when you catch a liberal idiot in a lie they   
> always say they were just joking or being sarcastic? 

That's the liberal way.  They CAN'T be wrong, see, and "Nazis" (that's
anyone they disagree with), can never be right, so they MUST have been
being sarcastic.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Zuttroy! really told me!
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In a previous posting, Zuttroy!) (TWOO@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Equalitarians just love to abuse logic to support their positions, which,
>>they insist, are NOT, repeat NOT, thinly disguised leftist garbage.  Case
>>in point:  Joan Shields told us that all humans had 99.8% identical DNA;
>>therefore, all humans are 99.8% identical.  Pretty falacious, I'd say. 
>>Let me provide a similar example of illogic:  cars in scrapyards are 99.8%
>>(or whatever) identical to my car; therefore, the cars in scrapyards run
>>at 99.8% the efficiency of my (fully functional) car.
> 
> Oh, shut up.  Shut up and go away.

Getting to you?

> That was the *stupidest* attempt to twist an argument and counter it that I
> have ever heard.  If you can't recognize that, then get the hell off the
> computer before you stick your finger someplace you shouldn't and
> accidentally electrocute your worthless hide.

Not really.  Just a serious analysis of Joan's argument, using an analogy
to provide an example of how facetious her reasoning was.

>>Les
>>... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
>>their strength.
> 
> You keep reasoning like that, and I have no doubt that *something*'ll break.

I'm glad you like my sig.file so much that you keep commenting on it.

Les

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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:
> On 20 Apr 1995, David Padgett wrote:
>>  
>> david replies:  yes it is fun the way the equalitarians and   
>> multicultauralists rewrite history to make it fit their   
>> point of view.

> Oh, reminds you of yourself, does it?  One I guess can be entertained by 
> their own stupidity.

Hey, good comeback!  You might also want to try:

"I know you are, but what am I?"

"Is not!" (a liberal favourite)

People:  feel free to add.

Les

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Subject: Re: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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In a previous posting, Jeremiah N. Jacobs (sac71602@saclink.csus.edu) writes:
>>Why don't Whites (of which I am one) leave?  Simple:  WE discovered,
>>explored, settled, built, fought for, died for, this land.  Blacks (and
>>all other non-Whites) didn't.  THAT'S why we won't leave.
>>
>>Les

> Yeah yeah- the Cherokees didn't even raise a fist for their homeland....NOT!!!!
> 
> WE didn't discover this land, LesterMolester. There were humans populating this continent long
> before you spooge in your daddy's balls. THEY settled, THEY built, THEY fought for, THEY died
> for this land too.

Well, I know now that the PC line is that they were ALWAYS here, but
before that, there was always the strident demand that we acknowledge that
"they were here first!".

So?  They were Neolithic savages when they first arrived, and they were
Neolithic savages when the Europeans discovered them 12,000 (or 35,000)
years later.

Also, no-one ever seems to want to mention the wonderful, civilized manner
in which "indegenous peoples" settled their disputes.

Les


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Subject: Liberal squirming
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In a previous posting, David Padgett (davidp@scsn.net) writes:
> lester griswold wrote: 
>  
>>>Interesting.  _The Bell Curve_ is a load of hooey when it comes to Black 
>>>vs. White IQ scores, yet it's an authority when it's Asian vs. Whites, or 
>>>jews vs. Whites.  Care to explain that one?  After all, I'm just a po' 
>>>White boy, and can't be expected to understand the reasoning of an Asiatic. 
>  
> and a liberal JACKASS replied: 
>>He was being sarcastic, you idiot. 
>  
> why is it that when you catch a liberal idiot in a lie they   
> always say they were just joking or being sarcastic? 

That's the liberal way.  They CAN'T be wrong, see, and "Nazis" (that's
anyone they disagree with), can never be right, so they MUST have been
being sarcastic.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Zuttroy! really told me!
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In a previous posting, Zuttroy!) (TWOO@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Equalitarians just love to abuse logic to support their positions, which,
>>they insist, are NOT, repeat NOT, thinly disguised leftist garbage.  Case
>>in point:  Joan Shields told us that all humans had 99.8% identical DNA;
>>therefore, all humans are 99.8% identical.  Pretty falacious, I'd say. 
>>Let me provide a similar example of illogic:  cars in scrapyards are 99.8%
>>(or whatever) identical to my car; therefore, the cars in scrapyards run
>>at 99.8% the efficiency of my (fully functional) car.
> 
> Oh, shut up.  Shut up and go away.

Getting to you?

> That was the *stupidest* attempt to twist an argument and counter it that I
> have ever heard.  If you can't recognize that, then get the hell off the
> computer before you stick your finger someplace you shouldn't and
> accidentally electrocute your worthless hide.

Not really.  Just a serious analysis of Joan's argument, using an analogy
to provide an example of how facetious her reasoning was.

>>Les
>>... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
>>their strength.
> 
> You keep reasoning like that, and I have no doubt that *something*'ll break.

I'm glad you like my sig.file so much that you keep commenting on it.

Les

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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:
> On 20 Apr 1995, David Padgett wrote:
>>  
>> david replies:  yes it is fun the way the equalitarians and   
>> multicultauralists rewrite history to make it fit their   
>> point of view.

> Oh, reminds you of yourself, does it?  One I guess can be entertained by 
> their own stupidity.

Hey, good comeback!  You might also want to try:

"I know you are, but what am I?"

"Is not!" (a liberal favourite)

People:  feel free to add.

Les

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In a previous posting, Jeremiah N. Jacobs (sac71602@saclink.csus.edu) writes:
>>Why don't Whites (of which I am one) leave?  Simple:  WE discovered,
>>explored, settled, built, fought for, died for, this land.  Blacks (and
>>all other non-Whites) didn't.  THAT'S why we won't leave.
>>
>>Les

> Yeah yeah- the Cherokees didn't even raise a fist for their homeland....NOT!!!!
> 
> WE didn't discover this land, LesterMolester. There were humans populating this continent long
> before you spooge in your daddy's balls. THEY settled, THEY built, THEY fought for, THEY died
> for this land too.

Well, I know now that the PC line is that they were ALWAYS here, but
before that, there was always the strident demand that we acknowledge that
"they were here first!".

So?  They were Neolithic savages when they first arrived, and they were
Neolithic savages when the Europeans discovered them 12,000 (or 35,000)
years later.

Also, no-one ever seems to want to mention the wonderful, civilized manner
in which "indegenous peoples" settled their disputes.

Les


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Subject: Dion and Pyramid:  YOU be the judge!
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Are Dion Sammerson and Pyramid 00 the same person?  YOU decide!

Arguments for:  never seen at the same time, both stupid.

Arguments against:  no one person can be that stupid.

Any more?  

Les
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Subject: Re: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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In a previous posting, Dion Samerson (samerson@bu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : ... on ADV, about Black seperatism.  I can't recall the name of the Black
> : seperatist on there at the moment, but he based much of his belief on the
> : teachings of Marcus Garvey.
> 
> : The neat part was when he was talking about repatriation of American
> : Blacks to Africa.  Of course, he got indignant that the U.S. government
> : should pay for it, since they benefitted for hundreds of years from Black
> : slavery.  But then I got to thinking:  sure, they have their hand out yet
> : again, but this would be the LAST TIME.
> 
> what is it to you anyway?  It's not like you live in America nor are you a U.S.
> citizen.  So, why do you bother yourself with what is going on here anyway?
> Do you pay taxes to the United States Government? Other than trailer park
> fees, do you pay any bills TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT?  If so, how do you get
> by on minimum wage?   

When I see ANY Whites ANYWHERE getting shafted, my ties of common blood
with them DEMAND that I speak out.  Doesn't matter WHERE they live.

> Besides, you shouldn't have anything to say about american politics, morales,
> or its structure when Canadians are still suckling on the queen's tit.   

Oh, well, I didn't know that I was breaking D. Sammerson's Rules of
Conduct for Whitey as non-Whites rape his land and steal his possessions. 
Get back to your peanut butter.

> :  No more welfare, no more transfer payments so that they wouldn't riot, no
> :  more Affirmative Action, employment "goals", or any of the rest.  No more
> :  legal farces as we tried  to accomodate Blacks in our legal system.  No more
> :  massive bills for prisons and law enforcement.
> 
> Let me see if i understand you correctly.  The exit of blacks back to Africa
> would mean the end of welfare, transfers, affirmative action, and massive
> bills for prison and law enforcement.

Exactly.  There, didn't hurt that much to make that admission, did it?

> First of all, welfare, social security, unemployment, and disability are all
> forms of "transfers".  Second, it is common knowledge that the majority of
> welfare recipients are white.

That's because the majority of the general population is White (or at
least non-Black).  But per capita, Blacks FAR outnumber Whites on welfare
rolls, fool.

> Thirdly, affirmative action does not only benefit blacks, but all
> minorities.

If repatriation is a good idea for Blacks...

> Do you have discontent for all minorities?

Why don't you tell me?  You guys love to tell us (and everyone) how we
think anyway.

> Who cares anyway?

You sure seem to.

(snip)

> Do you realize that all that free health and medical care that you get from
> the CAnadian government is equivalent to the health care that welfare
> recipients receive in America?

And your point is...?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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In a previous posting, Reuben Logsdon (Hate@mail.utexas.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> : ... on ADV, about Black seperatism.  I can't recall the name of the Black
>> : seperatist on there at the moment, but he based much of his belief on the
>> : teachings of Marcus Garvey.
>> 
>> : The neat part was when he was talking about repatriation of American
>> : Blacks to Africa.  Of course, he got indignant that the U.S. government
>> : should pay for it, since they benefitted for hundreds of years from Black
>> : slavery.  But then I got to thinking:  sure, they have their hand out yet
>> : again, but this would be the LAST TIME.
> 
> This is a good idea, Les, but to get a more positive reaction, you 
> should include a statement that only Blacks who want to go to Africa 
> would be paid by the gov't.  Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of 
> wankers thinking you want to repatriate every non-White.
> 
> All the affirmative action costs our federal gov't between 1 and 2 
> percent of tax revenues per year.  That's roughly 5-10 billion dollars, 
> which comes to $100 to $200 per Negro per year.  With that in mind, I 
> don't think it would be smart to pay more than $1000 to $2000 to 
> repatriate each Black, since the affirmative action programs are under 
> attack and probably won't last more than another decade.

I recall another funny:  Black separatists often yell that "they" didn't
pay to come here, so why should they pay to go back?  Fine, then, we'll
send them back the same way they came:  crowded into wooden-hulled ships,
in chains, in unsanitary holds, with bones through their noses.  After
all, fair is fair.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hey!  Only one ignorant nigger per board!
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Sorry, Selena, but you're gonna have to skeedaddle, until Pyramid 00
goes 'way, and Dion (like they're different people!) joins him.

Les


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Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Chris BeHanna (behanna@syl.nj.nec.com) writes:

(snip)

> 	Racist pig.
> 
> 	Crispus Attucks, one of the first to die at the Boston Massacre, was
> a black man and a true patriot.

And hence we see the elevation of some hapless Negro to the ranks of
"hero" because he wandered into the British line of fire.  Gee, isn't
equalitarian history FUN?

Les

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Subject: Re: Dion and Pyramid: YOU be the judge!
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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> Arguments against:  no one person can be that stupid.
>> 
>> Les
>> --
> 
> Hmmmm....qualitative question...what do you mean by _that_, and if so, 
> how does that quantitatively relate to you?
> 
> (sorry about the jargon...I've got a chemistry midterm tomarrow)

On how to denature cocaine into crack?

Les


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
   In a previous posting, Ross Bagley (rabagley@isdn33.isdn33.eng.UC.EDU) writes:

   No need for sarcasm.

   I find it intriguing, though, that you imply that all the previous
   governmental interferences with the 2nd Amendment DIDN'T sound its death
   knell, and yet THIS one does.  Why is that?

Because before this point, there was always a way for those making the
rules to weasel out of them without directly contradicting the letter
of the 2nd Amendment.  The "Assault Weapon" Ban didn't even bother to
explain how it could coexist with the 2nd, and people like Sarah
Brady, when asked about the possibility of the law being contradicted,
said "take it to court!  We don't care!"

At this point, the representatives had the opportunity to see that the
statute they were attempting to pass did not have Constitutional authority.
The fact that they continued it anyway, that Clinton signed it, and that
Clinton's excuse was along the lines of "we need to limit rights when the
safety of the people is involved.", proves the point.  The Constitution,
and more specifically, the Bill of Rights is now completely ignored by our
government.

At least before they would pay lip service to it.  Now, it's ignored.

That is why the Bill of Rights died in 1994.  I'm eagerly awaiting it's
resurrection in 1995, but I'm not holding my breath.

-- Ross Bagley      rabagley@isdn33.eng.uc.edu
I do happen to speak for the owner of this computer...


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Subject: Oklahoma City 5...
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From: "W. K. (Bill) Gorman" <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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1.   Nobody has explained why the bomb was claimed to be in a vehicle
OUTSIDE the building, yet the rebar (concrete reinforcing bars) hanging
from the face of the building, as shown on CNN and other TV shots,
and clearly bent OUTWARD FROM WITHIN.

2.   The Michigan Militia thing was a red herring to lather up the sheeple.
The guy in Deckerville was the Public INformation Officer for the Michigan
Militia for that county.  When he heard on the radio that FBI fedgoons were
looking for him, he called his local Sheriff and turned himself in.  At that
point the FBI backed off and said that, no, they didn't want him for anything.
CNN cutely showed a tape of the sheriff picking the guy up earlier in the
day over and over, implying that he was arrested and still held. Total
bullshit propaganda.

3.   Heard on CNN:  two newsdroids talking.
     Droid 1 to droid 2 - "Have you heard about the Omnibus Anti-Terrorism
                           Bill now in Congress?"
     Droid 2 - "NO'
     Droid 1 - "It has been moving through Congress on a very slow track.
                However since Senator Biden, who formerly opposed it,
                has changed and now..."

     At this point Droid 1 is interrupted by an audible beep. After a moment
     this follows:

     Droid 1 - ""We can't continue with this."

     At this point the subject abruptly changes, without explanation or further
reference to the Terrorism bill, to a completely unrelated topic. Was Droid
1 trying to let us know that the media is PREVENTED from covering the
Terrorism bill, for fear people will pit two and two together and figure
out that this bombing smells like an event manufactured by the BATF, or
did he just slip up and not follow the script closely enough until his
masters yanked on his chain a bit?

4.   Military personnel I know claim that a military-grade explosive would
have been needed to create the level of destruction seen; that ANFO wouldn't
do it.  I dunno. Any EOD experts out there care to comment?

5.   Oklahoma City is the middle of NOWHERE in the USA. There's nothing
there worth a terrorisy bomb. It seems unlikely that a terrorist group would
pick this spot to cause havoc:  if that were their aim there are
literally dozens of other places where the toll would have been much higher
and the social dislocation far greater. Did the BATF pick OKC just to
try to get "middle America" on the save-us-from-terrorists-at-any-price
bandwagon?

IMHO, nothing about this points in any direction other than a BATF-inspired
and executed assault for purposes of their own.

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man and brave,
hated and scorned.  When his cause succeeds however, the timid join
him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."  --  Mark Twain

Les
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Subject: Re: I wonder
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In a previous posting, Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> I'll bet there are very few of the ZOG's spook agencies (CIA, FBI, BATF,
> DEA, DIA, etc, etc, etc,) who don't employ the policy of including human
> shields such as daycare centers as part of their building security
> precautions.

Yeah, why has no-one asked WHY a daycare center was in a Fed building?

Les


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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> Actually, the interesting thing about testosterone levels is that they
> tend to be higher in men who are more confident and therefore often less
> openly aggressive because they don't feel the need to "prove" themselves.
 
Excuse me?
 
Here we see again a fine example of liberal "logic".
 
> Men have less testosterone when they are actively "proving" themselves
> than afterwards when they have already proven themselves.  So, a man with
> a lot of testosterone is a confident man who doesn't need to defend his
> "manhood" all the time and is generally a hell of a lot more pleasent to
> be around (at least in my opinion).
 
Les


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Subject: Re: Militant jews!
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>> This is funny, because with those subsidies, Isreal developes a lot of 
>>> military hardware FOR the U.S.
>>Such as...?
> 
> Rear-view mirrors on jet aircraft, Isreal's air-force developed that 
> simple concept because the pilots were getting sick of always having to 
> look back while flying... it's common practice now I believe.  The UZI, 
> well, that's more of an urban application, remember ten mabye years back 
> when all those cops were being killed in California and they were allowed 
> to carry UZIs for a while.  So there's a couple of reasons Israel gets 
> all that money.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Rear-view mirrors on jets?
BWAHAHAHA!!!  Uzi submachine guns?

Those two things (which NO-ONE else would have thought of, rear-view
mirrors and submachine guns) are worth the billions of dollars the U.S.
keeps pumping into their moribund economy?

Les

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Subject: Re: Middle Easterners...
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In a previous posting, Ismail M Ismail (ababneh@iastate.edu) writes:

(snip)

> And who taught the world ethnic cleansing,

The Old Testament

> bombing hotels,

Zionists.

> being merciless against civilians,

The IDF.

Les


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Subject: Silly trolls from the Netherlands...
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What a bunch of retards!

Les

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Subject: Silly boy...(was:  Is Les Griswold Aryan?)
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In a previous posting, Origin (Origin@Source) writes:

> Who the fuck are YOU to talk about the White race?? You're from North-America 
> where there are NO true Whites at all! 
> Batavians will smash your puny militias and their despicable menure bombs!
> You cowards! Killing innocent children! That is NOT the Aryan way!
> What kind of a name is that??
> You claim to be White? You claim to speak for Aryans?
> You sound Gallic to me! Don't say you're one of those garlic munching idiots! 
> You have NO right to speak at all! You are probably a descendant from the 
> Roman perverts whose blood is deeply mixed with the Greek!!!! And everybody 
> knows what the greek were like. Do you still have those desires, Les? 
> Batavians have gloriously won every battle with the Romans and kicked their 
> sorry asses out of our beautiful country AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANY OF YOU 
> SKUNKS AGAIN!
> You just wait until our majestic ship 'Batavia' will sail from the shores of 
> Lelystad towards the 'New World' where we will renew it truely and get rid of 
> all imposters like you, Les Griswold!

Are things REALLY that boring in the Netherlands that you have to go to
this length to troll for fights?

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Race and Gun Control
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In a previous posting, Ross Bagley (rabagley@isdn33.isdn33.eng.UC.EDU) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>    In a previous posting, Ross Bagley (rabagley@isdn33.isdn33.eng.UC.EDU) writes:
> 
>    No need for sarcasm.
> 
>    I find it intriguing, though, that you imply that all the previous
>    governmental interferences with the 2nd Amendment DIDN'T sound its death
>    knell, and yet THIS one does.  Why is that?
> 
> Because before this point, there was always a way for those making the
> rules to weasel out of them without directly contradicting the letter
> of the 2nd Amendment.  The "Assault Weapon" Ban didn't even bother to
> explain how it could coexist with the 2nd, and people like Sarah
> Brady, when asked about the possibility of the law being contradicted,
> said "take it to court!  We don't care!"

That's fascinating.  However, obeying the LETTER of the 2nd Amendment (or
any part of the Bill of Rights) is MILES away from obeying the spirit of it.

The really ominous thing about it is that everyone who opposed the
government for being unConstitutional before was marginalized as a kook,
or worse.  What makes you think you're going to be any different
(personally, I don't think that you or anyone who thinks like you do is a
kook, BTW)?

> At this point, the representatives had the opportunity to see that the
> statute they were attempting to pass did not have Constitutional authority.

The representatives have had plenty of opportunity before to see that
whatever statute they were attempting to pass 1)  did not have
Constitutional authority, and 2) pissed off a lot of people.  That
realization never stopped them before, and it hasn't exactly undermined
their authority.

> The fact that they continued it anyway, that Clinton signed it, and that
> Clinton's excuse was along the lines of "we need to limit rights when the
> safety of the people is involved.", proves the point.

Being Canadian, I am well versed in knowing that what the government SAYS
is hardly ever what it MEANS.  Clinton only verbalized what was unspoken
but understood whenever the government went against the Bill of Rights, or
the Constitution.

> The Constitution,
> and more specifically, the Bill of Rights is now completely ignored by our
> government.

That's not a recent development, Ross.

> At least before they would pay lip service to it.  Now, it's ignored.

At least now they're being honest about it.  Before, they could hide
behind "upholding the Constitution" while dismantling it.

> That is why the Bill of Rights died in 1994.  I'm eagerly awaiting it's
> resurrection in 1995, but I'm not holding my breath.

Good idea (about not holding your breath, I mean).

Les


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Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>In a previous posting,  (an232434@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> 
>>> And we non-Germanic white boys will educate that we should not kowtow to
>>> this filthy Anglo agenda.
>>
>>Prithee do tell, just WHO are these "non-Germanic white boys"?  Never
>>heard of 'em.
>>
>>Les
> 
> 	Slavs.

Slavs are SO Germanic (I think, though, that you're using it in the
national sense, and not the racial sense).

> Celts.

Same with Celts.

> Most European Jews.  Most non-European Jews.

But jews aren't White to begin with (they may be white, but they're
DEFINITELY not White).
  
> (With the possible exception of the Falashim, or Ethiopian Jews... 
> although Ethiopia is a subsaharan country, as is Somalia, and some have 
> claimed that Ethiopians and Somalis are actually closer to the Caucasoid 
> than the Negroid subtype).

Thanks to miscegenating with Hamitic races.

> Estonians and other Baltic peoples.

Sure, Kevin...

> Albanians.  Armenians.  Greeks. 

Well, they're not of German NATIONALITY, and many of the people in the
borders of those countries aren't even White, so you'll have to try again.

> Most of the Arabic peoples.  

Arabs aren't even White!  They're Semetic, just like jews!

> 	I'm not sure if the Turkic peoples would be considered "European" 
> or "Asian."  Certainly they resemble Caucasoids more than the classic 
> "Mongoloid" or "Oriental" visage.  

So do jews, at least superficially.  NOW who's obsessed with skin colour,
Lizard?  (I know that I'm writing to you, Kevin, but Lizard won't be able
to help himself)

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal squirming
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>>> always say they were just joking or being sarcastic? 
> 
>>That's the liberal way.  They CAN'T be wrong, see, and "Nazis" (that's
>>anyone they disagree with), can never be right, so they MUST have been
>>being sarcastic.
> 
> You pathetic losers throw around the word "liberal" like you know what it 
> actually means or something.  

That's because it's the nicest thing we can call a One World whiner.

> You also throw around the word "lie" a lot.

We call 'em like we see 'em.

> What a sad, twisted perception of reality you have.  Your real "lives" (and
> I'm use that word "liberally"... ha ha) must really be full of bitterness
> and devoid of prospects for you to stoop to a level where fairness and
> honour mean nothing.

Talk about using words that you don't know the meaning of!

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: CLINTON ORDERS OKLA. BOMBING?
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In a previous posting,  (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   jdulaney@crl.com (John Dulaney) writes:
>>  	CLINTON, via RENO and OKLAHOMA BOMBING, may declare MARTIAL LAW
>>  allowing Clinton to produce dictatorial EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
>>  	Did CLINTON order the bombing?
>>  	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>  	Worst terrorist attack in US history (and in the city where I was 
>>  born and raised) may usher in Socialist/Communist "Utopia" in the name of 
>>  "crisis" and "anti-terrorist" reaction.
>>  
>>  	1) Collection of all private arms.
>>  	2) Reno discovers "conservative Republican plot".
>>  	3) Mass arrests of "suspected" Conservative conspiracists along 
>>  with others.
>>  	4) "Temporary" lifting of freedom of the press, of speech, public 
>>  gatherings etc.
>>  	5) Reno "discovers" INTERNET used by "terrorists" and Clinton 
>>  shuts down backbone systems.	
>>  	6) Conservative radio stations "determined" risk and closed.
>>  
>>  	Ways to cope:
>>  	1) Buy weapons and ammunition.
>>  	2) Short wave radios and rechargable batteries (and solar voltaic 
>>  cells). 
>>  	3) Preparation of underground media circulation (walkie-talkies, 
>>  photo copy machines).
>>  
>>  	etc.
>>  	Yeah?
>>  	A bunch a' CRAP?
>>  	I guess the TV images are lies too.
>>  	John
>>  
>>  
>>  --
>>    	    * FREE shareware and CHEAP CD-ROM/Hardware 4 sale *
>>  	    * http://www.xmission.com/~wwwads/mind/logic.html *
>>  	    * ftp.xmission.com  /pub/users/w/wwwads/logic.zip *
>>  	    * jdulaney@crl.com Seeing impaired? Scat95.zip!!! *
>>  
>>>>>
> Why are you peple so paranoid?? It is not the government that is a threat to democracy, but lunatic fring groups such as these 
> gun-toting militia hicks that are popping up everywhere! It is also pretty low to use the death of innocent people and children as a 
> platform to air anti-Clinton sentiment. People like you are what's tainting this nation.
> Stefan Andreasson

Well, if these "gun-toting militia hicks" are popping up everywhere, maybe
they've got some valid concerns.  Ever think of that?  Nah, didn't think so...

That's another thing I love about liberals:  how they can maintain two
completely opposite things at once.  Witness:  gun-toting hicks are a big
threat to our society, but they're just a bunch of hicks and AREN'T a
threat, just a nuisance, so let's not take 'em seriously.  Makes me laugh...

Les

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In a previous posting, Joan Shields (joan@med.unc.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>I think that if Martin's ancestors had been living there for as many
>>thousands of years as the Greenlanders', the answer would be a resounding YES.
> 
> Hmmm, judging by the kinds of comments and reasoning ability Martin has
> shown, I can't quite imagine Martin, specifically, surviving.

More liberal "logic":  Martin (by insinuation) reasons poorly, therefore
he couldn't likely survive in Greenland.

Only one thing wrong with that, JS:  MARTIN REASONS QUITE WELL.  You only
imply that he doesn't because he refutes you.

(snip)

>>Let's turn it around, Joanie (I can call you Joanie, can't I?)  Could
>>those Greenlanders develop high technology?  Could they figure out how to
>>build anything OTHER THAN igloos?  Could they mine and refine metals,
>>without being shown? 
> 
> Well, actually, I'd rather you didn't call me "Joanie" as that particular
> diminutive is reserved for particularly good close friends, which, I
> doubt, you will ever be (no offense).

You can count on it.

> As to the Greenlanders developing "high technology" you have to take a close
> look at what raw materials are available (which can be easily obtained at
> first - even europeans didn't have bulldozers and explosives back then,
> though the Chinese did develop gunpowder fairly early on).

Uh, oh, are we seeing the beginnings of the "luck theory"?  That is to
say, are you going to start telling us that European accomplishments are
the result of having been "lucky" in just happening to be in a giving
environment, while the Greenlanders (and every other non-accomplishing
race) were "unlucky"?

> For living and flurishing in a very cold, icy, and fairly dangerous
> environment they seem to have done fairly well.  They could survive without
> dying of exposure with their "primative" methods while we mondern day folk
> need to rely on a lot of high tech gear in order to make it through the
> night.

And your point appears to be that high-technology is a Bad Thing, while
slyly insinuating that European high-tech = lower manhood.

> Designing and building an igloo that will withstand blizzard condiditions
> during a blizzard is pretty impressive to me, I couldn't do it.

True, it is.  But let me ask you:  how is building an igloo, under even
the most trying of conditions, at all relevant to White civilization?

> As for refining metals, well, I'm not sure if you realize this but
> Greenland is mostly covered with ice and snow, not much open thawed out
> land to do much mining on.

Yes, Joanie, I DO realize it (I call you Joanie not because I consider you
a friend, but because I can't believe the low level of intelligence that
you keep on displaying).  So, the Greenlanders (and other non-producing
races) can have their arrested technological development explained by
resorting to the "victims of their environment" argument?  What about the
Vikings, who weren't exactly in the land of milk and honey?

> Maybe you could do it without modern tools but common sense tells me that it
> would be very difficult to do it with stone tools.  

At last you admit that you have some.  But, since common sense seems to
carry so little weight with you normally, why are you resorting to it
now?  ("keep your nose to the microscope and only consider the DNA", when
common sense tells us that there are indeed CONSIDERABLE differences
between the races.)

> Given the circumstances and the harshness of the weather and terrain it
> seems to me that the Greenlanders did pretty well before the Danes showed
> up.
> Of course, they didn't have microwaves or hairdryers but seeing that they
> survived and thrived up there so close to the artic circle I don't think
> they did too shabby either.

More "noble savage" garbage.

Les


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Subject: Re: Middle Easterners...
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In a previous posting, Israel Cidon (cidon@Eng.Sun.COM) writes:
> In article 2a3@netnews.upenn.edu, cooperma@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Cooperman) writes:
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>>
>>: Just had a thought...
>>
>>: Now the Feebies are looking for two "white" guys in the Oklahoma City :
>>bombing, but before they were trumpeting everywhere that two "Middle :
>>Eastern" types were responsible.  Did anybody stop and think that Israel :
>>is also in the Middle East?  When did Middle East become a euphemism for
>>Arab?
> 
> In any case, despite the "white" image that Griswold would like to stamp Israel
> with, the majority of the Israeli citizens are either Arabs (1 million) or Jews
> of middle-east origin (around half of the Jewish population, > 2 million) typically 
> with Middle-Eastern complexions.

Sorry, you misunderstood:  I was not taking a position for the Israelis
being considered white, I was pointing out something that everyone seems
to have overlooked.

Les


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Subject: Re: Middle Easterners...
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In a previous posting, John Otteson (otteson@b4pphf6.bnr.ca) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> |> 
> |> Just had a thought...
> |> 
> |> Now the Feebies are looking for two "white" guys in the Oklahoma City
> |> bombing, but before they were trumpeting everywhere that two "Middle
> |> Eastern" types were responsible.  Did anybody stop and think that Israel
> |> is also in the Middle East?  When did Middle East become a euphemism for Arab?
> 
> Are either you or the Feebies implying that Arabs are not "white"?  How about
> Iranians, would they be considered "white"?  Israelies?
> 
> Just curious about how people are grouped.

I'm not really sure what criteria the Feebies use in determining that
Middle Easterners aren't White, but they obviously aren't considered
White, or else the Feebies wouldn't have laid so much emphasis on the
"Middle Eastern" aspect.  But, since they've collared a White guy from the
Michigan Militia and are now blaming Whites, it's a moot point.

Les


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Subject: Re: I heard an interesting thought last night...
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In a previous posting, Dion Samerson (samerson@bu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> After Les's numerous negative posts about welfare, i wrote:
> : (snip)
> 
> : > Do you realize that all that free health and medical care that you get from
> : > the CAnadian government is equivalent to the health care that welfare
> : > recipients receive in America?
> 
> LEs's response:
> 
> : And your point is...?
> 
> It has become apparent from this response that Mr. Griswold has a problem with
> the obvious.  Maybe he just needs  a little help. 
> 
> 	PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES!

Uh, you're pretty stupid, Dijon.  Comparing socialized medicine in Canada
to AA programs in the States... you're reaching, boy.

Les



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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
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Subject: Re: Middle Easterners...
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In a previous posting, Dijon "Mustard" Samerson (samerson@bu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Just had a thought...
> 
> 
> : Did anybody stop and think that Israel
> : is also in the Middle East?  When did Middle East become a euphemism for Arab?
> 
> Just some food for thought.(In your case Les, this won't take long):
> 
> I don't expect you to know this, but the Brittish also occuppied the land where
> the Jews currently reside.  Would you have considered the brittish to be Arab?


Dijon, that's so stupid, I can't BELIEVE that anyone would take you
seriously!

> How about getting back to me on that welfare health plan sometime this week.

Already did, boy.

Les


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Subject: Oklahoma City...
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Since there's been so much speculation about the Oklahoma City bombing,
just thought I'd toss in my bit...

=====

From: jdulaney@crl.com (John Dulaney)
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Subject: CLINTON ORDERS OKLA. BOMBING?
Date: 19 Apr 1995 23:18:08 GMT

	CLINTON, via RENO and OKLAHOMA BOMBING, may declare MARTIAL LAW
allowing Clinton to produce dictatorial EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
	Did CLINTON order the bombing?
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	Worst terrorist attack in US history (and in the city where I was 
born and raised) may usher in Socialist/Communist "Utopia" in the name of 
"crisis" and "anti-terrorist" reaction.

	1) Collection of all private arms.
	2) Reno discovers "conservative Republican plot".
	3) Mass arrests of "suspected" Conservative conspiracists along 
with others.
	4) "Temporary" lifting of freedom of the press, of speech, public 
gatherings etc.
	5) Reno "discovers" INTERNET used by "terrorists" and Clinton 
shuts down backbone systems.	
	6) Conservative radio stations "determined" risk and closed.

	Ways to cope:
	1) Buy weapons and ammunition.
	2) Short wave radios and rechargable batteries (and solar voltaic 
cells). 
	3) Preparation of underground media circulation (walkie-talkies, 
photo copy machines).

	etc.
	Yeah?
	A bunch a' CRAP?
	I guess the TV images are lies too.
	John

Les

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Date:         Fri, 21 Apr 95 21:23:34 EDT
From: "W. K. (Bill) Gorman" <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Organization: Radio Free Michigan
Subject:      Re: Oklahoma City Bombing (fwd)

On Wed, 19 Apr 95 14:34:56 PDT you said:
>Phil, Eric:
>
>This is looking more and more fishy all the time.  Many people have
[...]


Fishy, indeed.
1.   Nobody has explained why the bomb was claimed to be in a vehicle
OUTSIDE the building, yet the rebar (concrete reinforcing bars) hanging
from the face of the building, as shown on CNN and other TV shots,
and clearly bent OUTWARD FROM WITHIN.

2.   The Michigan Militia thing was a red herring to lather up the sheeple.
The guy in Deckerville was the Public INformation Officer for the Michigan
Militia for that county.  When he heard on the radio that FBI fedgoons were
looking for him, he called his local Sheriff and turned himself in.  At that
point the FBI backed off and said that, no, they didn't want him for anything.
CNN cutely showed a tape of the sheriff picking the guy up earlier in the
day over and over, implying that he was arrested and still held. Total
bullshit propaganda.

3.   Heard on CNN:  two newsdroids talking.
     Droid 1 to droid 2 - "Have you heard about the Omnibus Anti-Terrorism
                           Bill now in Congress?"
     Droid 2 - "NO'
     Droid 1 - "It has been moving through Congress on a very slow track.
                However since Senator Biden, who formerly opposed it,
                has changed and now..."

     At this point Droid 1 is interrupted by an audible beep. After a moment
     this follows:

     Droid 1 - ""We can't continue with this."

     At this point the subject abruptly changes, without explanation or further
reference to the Terrorism bill, to a completely unrelated topic. Was Droid
1 trying to let us know that the media is PREVENTED from covering the
Terrorism bill, for fear people will pit two and two together and figure
out that this bombing smells like an event manufactured by the BATF, or
did he just slip up and not follow the script closely enough until his
masters yanked on his chain a bit?

4.   Military personnel I know claim that a military-grade explosive would
have been needed to create the level of destruction seen; that ANFO wouldn't
do it.  I dunno. Any EOD experts out there care to comment?

5.   Oklahoma City is the middle of NOWHERE in the USA. There's nothing
there worth a terrorisy bomb. It seems unlikely that a terrorist group would
pick this spot to cause havoc:  if that were their aim there are
literally dozens of other places where the toll would have been much higher
and the social dislocation far greater. Did the BATF pick OKC just to
try to get "middle America" on the save-us-from-terrorists-at-any-price
bandwagon?

IMHO, nothing about this points in any direction other than a BATF-inspired
and executed assault for purposes of their own.

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man and brave,
hated and scorned.  When his cause succeeds however, the timid join
him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."  --  Mark Twain

Les
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Date:         Fri, 21 Apr 95 23:31:21 EDT
From: "W. K. (Bill) Gorman" <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Organization: Radio Free Michigan
Subject:      OKC

On Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:32:32 -0500 (CDT) Paul Watson said:
>KRLD Dallas, 1:20pm
>Just announced One suspect arrested tied to Militia of Michigan.
>A right wing group tied to White supremacist.
>Two men are held up in "Decker" Michigan in a stand off with FBI.
>This is the famous "Mark from Michigan"
>They are saying this group was very sympathic with the Raid on the Branch
>Davidian and they did this as revenge.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Watson, pwatson@utdallas.edu  Purchasing Department  "DISCLAIMER"
>The University of Texas at Dallas  ph# 214/883-2307, fax# 214/883-2348
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for posting your thoughts, Paul.

I am in Michigan at this moment.  The information relayed above
is a total fabrication, disinformation, a deliberate lie.

Loacl media reported here some time ago that the guy in Deckerville,
who is actually the Public Information Officer for that county's
militia, is not held and is not wanted.  He DID hear on the radio
that the FBI "was looking for him" earlier today, whereupon he
tunred himself in to his local Sheriff and asked what this whole thing
was about.  At that point, the FBI backed away and announced that they were
in fact NOT seeking this guy - after plastering news releases to the
contrary all over the national media all day long.  CNN persisted
in showing the sheriff collecting this gentleman after he called and
turned himself in. Late this afternoon, CNN was still replaying this
tape clip with the implication in the commentary that this person was
being taken into custody by and/or for the FBI at that moment.  As of
this writing. Mr. Nichols is neing referred to as a "possible witness".
Nothing more.

There are not, and have never been, any Michigan Militia "barraceded suspects"
in Deckerville (no such town as "Decker"). Mark Koernke, sometimes
called "Mark from Michigan" has never been mentioned in local news
telecasts. This story, like the phony one some weeks ago about
"taking over" a local NG base, was manufactured by a known wacko in
Detroit who is trying desperately to get on the fed payroll as a "paid
informant".  In the past, when this gentleman lacked facts, he has simply
made them up to fit his psychotic reality.

Donohue tried the old lie about "white supremacists" in the militias,
and had to eat his words when the commander of the Ohio militia,
who just happens to be Black, showed up for the taping. "White supie"
stories about the Michigan Militia are just as phoney; the
membership of same includes every race and sex, as well as disabled persons.
Try another flavor of lie next time.

The concept of a "revenge raid" as some nebulous "payback" for Waco
by person or persons unknown is laughable.

IF, repeat IF this was done by any terrorist group, the blame for that
lies squarely on American media. If this was a terrorist act, it
seems to clearly be a "copy cat" act inspired by the lather of news
"coverage" of the World Trade Center bombing.  The similarities are
non-trivial and not credible as "coincidence", right down to the
"Arab-looking" suspects and the "rented van". Just like the WTC.

Who stands to gain from this act the most?  Clearly, the BATF (who
already have a documented history of genocide/mass child murder).
They stand to benefit in the form of the very survival of their agency,
until recently hard-pressed in Congress to explain abuse of
innocent American civilians.  They stand to gain in the form of
power, prestige, AND MONEY, to say nothing of probably gaining
blanket and retroactive immunity from prosecution for ALL acts
of any kind as part of the Omnibus Anti-Terrorism Act that is
lurking in Congress. The Waco trial transcripts ($450) clearly
document BATF evidence-tampering and coverups after Waco. These guys
have NOTHING to lose by such an act, and potentially EVERYTHING
to gain.

Speaking of the anti-terrorism bill, it is truly amazing how many
newsfroids have been coming up with "ideas off the top of their heads"
during this flap which are in fact direct quotes from the pending bill,
which is intended to relieve Americans of any of those troublesome
rights they may still retain, including allowing the President to
declare any person or group as terrorists for any reason, suspending
all due process (illegally, according to the Constitution) for same.
Ask any Japanese-American what happens when (not if) the feds decide
to use public hysteria to abrogate the rights of any group.

One thing nobody has explained to me yet.  Since the bomb was claimed
to be OUTSIDE the building, it seems odd that the steel reinforcing bars
embedded in the concrete of the building walls were bent OUTWARD in the
TV photos I have seen.

If I was in a nation outside the USA right now, I would be truly worried.
If the USA turns into a Kruschev-style totalitarian state, it won't be
long before those in power start casting about for the next place to which
they can export their tyranny.  Without effective controls on such actions
from within the USA, you can look forward to joingin us in the NEW Gulag
Archipellago soon.  Very soon.


W. K. Gorman

Les

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ANA Guest Editorial

By CraigS6984@AOL.com

I caught CNN interviewing Morris Dees today about the bombing.  He said that
he sent a letter to Reno last October telling her about the Michigan Militia
and militia in 20 other states "being infiltrated by neo-nazis."  Dees went
on about how his Klanwatch project has been  monitoring these militias and
thinks they should be infiltrated by federal agents to ensure "our safety."
 After about two minutes I stopped listening(probably because everytime I
hear Dees voice I want to puke.)  CNN then went on to report that this
bombing was committed by people in the white supremacist movement in
retaliation for a number of things, including the Weaver incident.  They
reported that Randy Weaver was the head of the Aryan Nations when the
shootout with him occured(maybe they should check their facts, last time I
heard Richard Butler was the head.)  Between CNN and some other stations I
think they blamed just about everyone from militias to skinheads to the KKK
and even another attempt at bringing back a group like the Order.  Dees spent
part of his time blaming "The Turner Diaries" calling it the " modern day
white supremacists bible" and that these people were acting out one of the
parts of "their bible."

I have a feeling that by the time the government lets out the real story  the
movement will suffer a lot of irreperable damage. People don't take to kindly
to innocent children being killed for any reason, especially when they are
being told it was for political gain.  I can only hope that people in this
country don't fall for the BS excuses the media and government have given
them.  This bombing was not committed for any racial movement, it was done
for these people's personal reasons.  Of course that's saying the people the
government is accusing even did it.  Then again where will they find an
impartial jury(I doubt this can be done)and who would have the balls to not
convict them.  After all the federal government said they found "some of the
responsible people" and we all know the feds never lie, right??:)

Les


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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> I am more into spectroscopy and elemental analysis, and nuclear physics
> right now.  Physical chemistry like making crack is pretty boring and
> passe.  Dealing with things on a molecular and atomic and subatomic level
> is much more exciting.  It gives me lots of material for my fantasies
> about you, Less.  Lets just say they involve a great deal of gamma
> radiation. 

Sure, sure... probably, they REALLY involve me in bicycle shorts and a
muscle shirt, right?  Be honest...

Les


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In a previous posting, "Can@nefates.zandvoort" (Oerman@xs4all.nl) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote: 
>  
>> 
>>The bottom line is, how can we afford NOT to pay for Black repatriation? 
>  
>  
> The bottomline is this: all the white criminals that once called   
> themselves `founding fathers' (of what? Of materialism, selfishness,   
> cheapness, agression, stupidity, in one word: WASP-filth), all those   
> criminals that were of no use for the European civilisation and came to   
> America to steal land of the Indian Tribes and founded that human   
> graveyard called USA, these men and women have to return to their nests:   
> the prisons of Europe. And let the Blacks and Indians have the lands of   
> USA. They deserve it.

Hoo, boy.  Somebody skipped their medication again...

Les


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Subject: Re: Canninefates to Power!!!
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In a previous posting, Hein van Meeteren (heinwvm@xs4all.nl) writes:
> Origin@Source (Origin) wrote: 
>>In article <3nb88r$gvm@news.xs4all.nl> "Canninefates To Power. Hail The   
> Batatavians!!"  writes: 

>>You stinking canninefate turd! 

> Here you pass way out of line, you Batavarian ant. We never stink,   
> because it was us who invented the Dune Soap Brand, a delicate mixture of   
> Dutch Sandd=dune-sand and cow-fat, and it was US that washed ourselves   
> allready, when you were running around as wild and unshaved Batavarians. 

>>It was to be expected that you would come up with dubious 'Roman' and  
>>'Catholic' 'historians' !! Those are even worse liars than the filthy  
>>canninefates! 

> Our Historians are RIGHT! Never heard of the Alcmaer-lie? It were the   
> Batavarian historians that claimed 6 wounded in the battle at Alcmaer (23   
> ac), but the truth is it were 3 wounded and one caught a bad cold. 
> Our revisionist historians have put it righy again and no drunk and   
> pedophilian Batavarian will change these historical facts. 

>>Long-haired men! A bunch of sissies, that's what you are! 

> Sissies? Do I have to remind you the Batavarian defeat at Egmond at Sea   
> in 45 BC where the Batavarian cowards fleed like sheep when our brave and   
> strong Aryan Troops smashed you like potatoes?  

>>I am proud of the Batavarian blood pumping through my veins and there is   
> not one drop of you canninefates in it!  

> You have NO historical consciousness, low and mean and feeble Batavarian   
> Hippie. Your blood is made by our blood. Everything that is still worth a   
> penny in your system is created bu the Canninefate heritage.  

>>>But you, American National Socialists, you are the biggest traitors of   
>>>all. You don't even have genuine Aryan roots. You have no roots at    
>>>all. The moment will come that the Batavian and the Canninefate Tribes   
>>>unite and cross the antlantic in joint effort, to teach you,   
>>>degenerates and imitators a fierce lesson.  
>> 
>>The Batavarians do not wish to touch the American degenerates. They are   
>>filty  
>>and disease-ridden and no match to our supreme powers anyway. Why waste   
>>our  
>>time to such feeble wannabees?  

>>>The Future Is Ours.  

>>The future will be Batavarian! 

>>Bataafs Republikeins Front 

> We will unite one day, The moment you will see that you belong to the   
> Noble Race of Canninefates, that moment will be the ultimate Canninefate   
> Victory. And have mercy, you Batavarian, have mercy for these degenerate   
> american so called Aryans. They need our help. They need our   
> ontwikkelingshulp (sorry, this  Canninefate linguo). We the Canninefates   
> will sacrifice 1.3%  of our prosperous Tribal Income to educate the   
> American aryans, to teach them some civilisation.  
> Canninefate civilisation, mind you. 

Hey, you kooks wanna cool it?  We don't give a flying fuck about your
silly little factionalism:  the White race is already in its eleventh hour
WITHOUT your silliness.

Les


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It's quite strange that not more people are asking WHY the FBI, the BATF,
the DEA, etc., had a daycare center in the same building...

The words "human shield" come to mind...

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hey, fellas...
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Why the deafening silence about the FBI and the BATF having a daycare
center in a building where they obviously handled ordinance and firearms? 
I really can't wait to see the explanation for that one (especially from
the likes of Ken McOyvay).

Les

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>>>>> "Les" == Les Griswold  writes:
In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:


Les> Why the deafening silence about the FBI and the BATF having a
Les> daycare center in a building where they obviously handled
Les> ordinance and firearms?  I really can't wait to see the
Les> explanation for that one (especially from the likes of Ken
Les> McOyvay).

You know, it boggles the mind how pathetic some people can be....

The place was the local Federal Building. You know, the place where
most of the local federal agencies have their offices. Not just FBI
and BATF, but also welfare administrators, SSA, EEOC, immigration,
EPA, etc.

Lots of people work there. Lots of people *with children* work there.

Most government agencies provide day care services for their
employees. So where do you put the federal governments child care
facility? How about in *the federal building*, the same place you put
all of the other local government services?!

Shocking! Unbelievable! It *must* be a conspiracy. How foolish could
they possibly be?! To put a day care run by the federal government in
a building owned and operated by the federal government.

	

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|| Mark Craig Chu-Carroll:  ||"I live to see my fondest dreams realized,
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: REAL way to defeat blacks
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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:

(snip - Kevin telling me who constitutes a "non-Germanic white boy")

>>> 	Slavs.
>>
>>Slavs are SO Germanic (I think, though, that you're using it in the
>>national sense, and not the racial sense).
> 
> 	And yet the Nazis considered Slavs "subhuman."  

BWAHAHAHA!!!  You really should get off that fix that we worship without
question everything that the Nazis said.  That particular reality only
exists in your overheated imagination.

>>> Celts.
>>
>>Same with Celts.
> 
> 	I'm not sure on this one.  I am sure, though that I have no 
> "Germanic" blood in me.  (I'm of mixed Irish/Slavic ancestry, with a fair 
> amount of Yid genes swimming around in the pool... and Scat and Jenn who 
> have both seen me or a picture of same... will confirm that I'm certainly 
> White as the driven snow.  I have White earwax, White enzymes in my 
> urine, a small penis, and absolutely no sense of rhythm whatsoever... how 
> much Whiter than that can you get?)
> 
>>> Most European Jews.  Most non-European Jews.
>>
>>But jews aren't White to begin with (they may be white, but they're
>>DEFINITELY not White).
> 
> 	The difference between "white" and "White" is...?
> 
> 
>>> Estonians and other Baltic peoples.
>>
>>Sure, Kevin...
> 
> 	Come on, Les! You ever seen a Lithuanian or an Estonian? They're
> more blond-haired and blue-eyed than Germans, for crying out loud! And
> they are certainly _not_ Germanic.  (Nor do they consider themselves
> "Slavs"... that's why they sought to separate from the Russian-led Soviet
> Union).  I'm an adopted child, but my grandfather (adoptive) is a
> second-generation Ukranian who has yellow skin, although he has round
> eyes.  I'm not sure of the ethnic derivation of "Benio" but he's certainly
> looks more Turkic than "White."  And my grandmother's maiden name was
> "Norvel" and she's a second-generation Lithuanian: she's White by any
> standard. 

I wasn't disputing their Whiteness, Kevin, I was disputing your
description of them as "non-Germanic".  But, since you've chosen to define
Germanic in your own peculiar little way (to give you ammo against us
"white boys"), this is little more than an exercise in semantics.

> 	(I didn't include Russians because I believe the "Rus" were 
> originally Scandinavians who settled in the Dnieper Valley, and as such 
> would probably qualify as "Germanic.")

Give that man a cigar!

>>> Albanians.  Armenians.  Greeks. 
>>
>>Well, they're not of German NATIONALITY, and many of the people in the
>>borders of those countries aren't even White, so you'll have to try again.
> 
> 	The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people, I believe.  They've had a 
> long history of warfare with the Armenians.

We (well, you) were talking about Armenians.  How did the Azerbaijanis get
involved in your attempt to throw the Armenians against me?

> I'm not sure on the Albanians, although John Belushi, who was a
> third-generation Albanian, certainly seems "White" to me.  And Greeks may
> live on the border with Turkey, but most Greeks would get highly offended if
> you confused them with Turks.

I guess I have to spell it out for you, although I would have thought that
it would be clear:  there are Whites within the borders of those countries
(Albania, Armenia, Greece).  However, they are NOT racial designations.

Who gives a damn WHAT the Greeks think if one confuses them with Turks? 
Can you, with a straight face, tell me that the current Greeks have
ANYTHING in common with the Spartans, or the Athenians?

>  >>> Most of the Arabic peoples.  
>>
>>Arabs aren't even White!  They're Semetic, just like jews!
> 
> 	Again... Semites are considered "White" by most.

So?  Just because most people believe a certain thing, doesn't make it so.

> Perhaps you should give us a clear definition of what is "White" by your
> standards?

I have already.  But, to recap for you, since you seem not to be able to
retain information (or else conveniently "forget it" for purposes of
debate), White is anyone of wholly Northwest European descent.
 
Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Immigration - more means less for all
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In a previous posting, Mark G. (markg@anshar.shadow.net) writes:
> Immigration is invaluable to America. This country was built and powered 
> by people who risked their lives to get here.

And the current flood of immigrants is of a similar moral fiber?

They are "risking their lives" to get here, or taking a relatively easy
ride over to better their economic situation?

> The closer we are to our immigrant roots, the more we will cherish freedom
> in America.

Non sequitur.

> The liberals that want to burn the American flag are rarely among the Cubans
> and Mexicans and Chinese and Irish whose parents were fleeing oppression 
> and tyranny in other countries.
> 
> While I understand the problems that immigration causes in terms of 
> welfare and employment, I also think that closing off our borders is a 
> bad idea for America in the long run. This won't go over very well in 
> this group, I know. Perhaps the answer is to only allow immigrants who 
> already have families or sponsors in the US to lessen the impact on our 
> resources.:)

So, you understand the hardships that immigration imposes, but think that
we should continue it anyway?  Geez, you're all heart!

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Day care centers in Fed Buildings & Warzones
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In a previous posting, Pyotr Filipivich (pyotr@chinook.halcyon.com) writes:
> cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:
> 
> |lzaird@io.org writes:
> 
> |]No, it's the gun-toting hicks that are imbalanced enough to blow up a 
> |]day-care in thier quest to "liberate" America that alarm the public.
> 
> |Does the Army put day care for soldiers on the front lines?  It is 
> |recklessly irresponsible to put day care centers in what are obvious
> |terrorist targets.  Effectively, the bureaucrats are trying to make
> |themselves safer by using their own children as human shields.  It's
> |sick.  But never underestimate the government's ability to turn your
> |stomach.  
> 
> |Chris Burian
> 
> So Chris, are you saying that you want the country on a war footing?
> 
> Are you advocating the imposition of martial law to protect these
> "obvious terrorist targets"?  Should we have urban exclusionary zones
> where children are prohibited?

We're going to get it anyway, whatever pretext.

> Or are you saying that Federal Workers should not have daycare in their
> own buildings, just that the rest of us peons should?

Ever hear of "discrimination" (and I don't mean in the racial sense)? 
Some buildings are more prone to being attacked than others, obviously.

> Why are we not building our "obvious terrorist target" buildings a little
> more bomb proof?

And what happens when these "bomb proof" buildings are subjected to
attack, and yet more children get killed?

> And while we are on the subject of target lists: what everhappened to
> the infastructure list?  You know, the ones that are really vital?
> Bridges, dams, powerlines, communication relays, pipelines, tv & radio
> towers, Cell phone Antennas?
> 
> harrumph.  The feds are no more using their kids as human sheilds than
> I would.

Oh really?

> It is counter-productive, and it places a higher value target
> out front.  In a hostage situation, which would you sacrifice: the
> adults or the children?   There were around thirty kids in the center,
> those are going to be the ones remebered, not the 200 adults.

That's what they're counting on.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Poor Place for a Daycare Center?
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In a previous posting, jpsb (jpsb@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) writes:
>>It is difficult to conscientiously use the term "innocent" in reference
>>to the BATF after Waco, but much more disturbing is the report that the
>>BATF had warnings about the bombing and collectively took the day off -
> 
> No way this can be true. If you'll got information please share it with
> the rest of us. You've made a horrendous accusation, how about a little
> proof.

Why is there "no way" that can be true?  Is it because it CAN'T be true,
or you don't WANT it to be true?

I agree, though, that the allegations that the BATF took the day off need
support:  otherwise, they're just speculation and rumour.

(Still wondering about the wisdom of having a daycare center in the same
building as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and FIREARMS, though.  If
firearms are the _bete noire_ that we keep hearing they are, why have them
anywhere near kiddies?)

Les


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In a previous posting, MZAPPALA@DELPHI.COM (MZAPPALA@news.delphi.com) writes:

(snip)

>>Well, I know now that the PC line is that they were ALWAYS here, but
>>before that, there was always the strident demand that we acknowledge that
>>"they were here first!".
> 
>>So?  They were Neolithic savages when they first arrived, and they were
>>Neolithic savages when the Europeans discovered them 12,000 (or 35,000)
>>years later.
> 
> they were savages to you maybe...  In my mind, whites are far more 
> savage.  The native indians were one with nature and didn ot ddestroy 
> it.  Their way of life was far better in my opinion then ours.  

The noble savage... oops, I mean, the noble red man... oops, I mean, the
noble indigenous american...

> stop judging other cultures by yr own

Why?  Non-Whites appear to have no problems with judging White culture
(which, they assure us, doesn't exist, unless they want to collectively
blame Whites for something)

Les


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Subject: Re: Middle Easterners...
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In a previous posting, Ismail M Ismail (ababneh@iastate.edu) writes:

(snip)

> And who taught the world ethnic cleansing,

The Old Testament

> bombing hotels,

Zionists.

> being merciless against civilians,

The IDF.

Les


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<+[Re: Jews and the U.S.S. Liberty] [Wed 19 Apr 95 11:22][Fri 21 Apr 95
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 bCC> YOU'RE the one who's making all the apologies for the Israeli
 bCC> attack on the Liberty.  Why don't we ask Messieurs Ennes and
 bCC> Meador (sp?), who were there, what happened?  Did the Liberty

Nobody made any apologies for the attack - although the Liberty crew
does owe Israel one.

 bCC> Israeli society secular?  BWAHAHAHA!!!

You, intelligent?!?!? .

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: It's quite strange...
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In a previous posting, Annie Alpert (anny@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 
>>
>>It's quite strange that not more people are asking WHY the FBI, the BATF,
>>the DEA, etc., had a daycare center in the same building...
>>
>>The words "human shield" come to mind...
>>
>>Les
>>
> Well, duh, I guess you don't have kids, Less (not that anyone in her
> right mind would want to procreate with you)...but those of us who DO
> have children and who DO work find it very helpful to have someplace
> near work to stash our kids during working hours...

If I worked for a police/anti-terrorist outfit like the FBI or the BATF, I
would damn well worry about having my kids (or ANY kids) in the same
building that I KNEW routinely held explosives and firearms.  Of course,
the FBI and BATF employees were being "reasonable", and enjoyed the
"convenience", never giving a moment's thought to the sheer stupidity of
having their children in a building that 1) had ordinance in it, and 2)
was a paramilitary organization.

Les


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... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
their strength.
		-- William G. Simpson


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: It's quite strange...
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In a previous posting, Sara aka Perrrfect (sschwartz@infinet.com) writes:

>> : In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) writes:
>> : >It's quite strange that not more people are asking WHY the FBI, the BATF,
>> : >the DEA, etc., had a daycare center in the same building...
>> 
>> : >The words "human shield" come to mind...

(snip)

> Allow me to add, the only thing that comes CLOSE to being as vile as what
> happened is the number of loonies out here who are trying to JUSTIFY it.
> "Human shield," "Clinton did it to start a war," each one is more bizarre
> than the one before.
>  
> You know, as a Jew, I can look at terrorism and say, "That's WRONG, no
> matter WHO does it."

Geez, sounds like you're implying that jews have a monopoly on compassion.

> When a Jew machine-guns people in a mosque, I don't
> run around looking for excuses and justifications. I *know* that's wrong.
> Just like I KNOW it's wrong when an American blows up a building that
> houses not only a day care center, but a Social Security office, where
> hundreds of innocent people could be waiting in line to process their SSI
> claims.
>  
> Whoever these guys are, and whatever their warped motives are, they were
> WRONG, simple as that. There is NO justification, NO justification, NO
> justification for killing children like that. And if they didn't know
> there was a day care center there, doesn't matter one whit to me. Blowing
> up public buildings means innocent people are going to be killed, and it's
> WRONG.
>
> It's pretty funny to see all the Miltias on television, trying to distance
> themselves from McVeigh and the rest. But it's truly pathetic to see
> people trying to look for excuses or justifications for this horror.
>  
> Dresden, anyone?
>  
> Sara


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In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

>It's quite strange that not more people are asking WHY the FBI, the BATF,
>the DEA, etc., had a daycare center in the same building...

Well, the reason no one is asking that question is probably because the FBI,
the BATF, the DEA, etc., did _NOT_ have a day-care center in the building.

As I understand it, the day-care center was an independent operation that
leased space there.  Many (most?) of the kids had no connection with any
federal employees--they were dropped off there by parents who lived and
worked all around the city.  It was a federally SUBSIDIZED operation, but
it had no connection with the government other than its close proximity to
the government offices that were targeted.
--

Jeff Cook                                         Jeff.Cook@Symbios.Com


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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In a previous posting, mav2 (mav2@aber.ac.uk) writes:

(snip)

> BTW, Julius Caesar (who knew a thing or two about killing Celts) always
> recorded their appearance as being tall and fair.  Not really your stereotypical
> Irishman is it?  And Livy had some pretty nasty things to say about the quality
> of Gaulish swords as well...

Well, what IS a "stereotypical Irishman"?  I thought a tall, blue-eyed
red-hair was the "stereotypical Irishman".

> Did ya miss me Les?  Probably not.

Actually, I did.  The idiots are breeding here like lemmings.

Les

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Subject: Re: ADV: Eugenics--The Only Way to a Better World
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Les Griswold  writes:
 
>> The way the blacks act is consistant with how a recently
>> liberated people behave.
 
 
In a way I agree with this and in a way I do not.  It is easy to find
examples of people acting in such a way as to test how much change has
actually occurred, and I think we are observing this.
 
But there is another factor:  Liberal whites are speaking mea culpa
language, and the message is that blacks are not resposible for their
actions.  While it may be altogether reasonable from the black point of
view to try to milk the system for all it is worth, it is extremely
counterproductive for them to think that their own efforts and restraints
do not matter.
 
It is a very familiar matter for us to observe blacks doing all manner of
self-destructive things, and then pointing the finger at whitey for the
predicament that results.  The time has come, I think, for black leader
s to start thinking more in terms of individual black responsibility.  No
one of any race can drop out of school, have a baby without the ability to
support it, take a job with a chip on the shoulder, take up drugs, alcohol
and tobacco, and get a criminal record and expect to get very far economically.
But blacks with such backgrounds characteristically blame the white world.
 
Harley
 


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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>In a previous posting, jpsb (jpsb@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) writes:
>>>It is difficult to conscientiously use the term "innocent" in reference
>>>to the BATF after Waco, but much more disturbing is the report that the
>>>BATF had warnings about the bombing and collectively took the day off -
>> 
>> No way this can be true. If you'll got information please share it with
>> the rest of us. You've made a horrendous accusation, how about a little
>> proof.
>
>Why is there "no way" that can be true?  Is it because it CAN'T be true,
>or you don't WANT it to be true? 

Let me rephrase: there has been no evidence to support that claim. "Proof
by Assertion" is not valid!


> I agree, though, that the allegations that the BATF took the day off need
>support:  otherwise, they're just speculation and rumour.
>

yes, indeed.

>(Still wondering about the wisdom of having a daycare center in the same
>building as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and FIREARMS, though.  If
>firearms are the _bete noire_ that we keep hearing they are, why have them
>anywhere near kiddies?)

duh. It was an office building, not an arsenal. Does your model for a perfect
country assume that office buildings are assumed to be legitimate targets for
attack? I suppose anyone injured walking in front of the building should have
known better, right?


>... no possible conquest of the White peoples will ever permanently break
>their strength.
>		-- William G. Simpson

but there is medication available.which may help temporarily relieve his
paranoia...

raf



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Les Griswold  writes:
 
>"Without the purebred, there cannot be the cross-bred of any worth." --
>Dr. F.A.E. Crew
 
 
While this is true, it does not mean that breeding cannot produce desired
results.  For example, horses can be bred for speed with consideration of
anything else.
 
Incidentally, eugenics can be traced to the dawn of history, and was
presumably understood before that.  Our distant ancestors regularly
exposed their "undersirable" offspring.  This means they left them to die.
 
Harley


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Subject: ADV and Oklahoma City
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================================================================
Copyright 1995 by National Vanguard Books.  All rights reserved.  
================================================================

An address by Dr. William L. Pierce, chairman of the National Aliiance

To be aired April 29, 1995 on  _American Dissident Voices_


Hello, my fellow Americans and all my friends around the world.

When the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was blown up a few days ago, I was 
shocked.  I didn't know who had done the bombing, of course, but I had a very 
strong feeling that it was no coincidence that it came on the second
anniversary of the Clinton massacre at Waco.  I felt an intuition close to
certainty that the bombing had not been an attack by foreigners aimed at 
America but instead was an attack by Americans aimed specifically at Clinton 
and his kind. 

I listened to the expressions of pious outrage by Bill Clinton and Janet Reno 
and the other government gangsters on television that evening, and I thought, 
"You hypocrites!  What do you expect?  You are the real terrorists.  When a 
government engages in terrorism against its own citizens, it should not be 
surprised when some of those citizens strike back and engage in terrorism
against the government.  You are the ones responsible for this bombing, for the
deaths of these children."

Terrorism is a nasty business.  Most of its victims are innocent people.  Some 
of the office workers who died in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City may 
have been as much against the Clinton government as were those who set off the 
bomb.  But terrorism is a form of warfare, and in war most of the victims are 
noncombatants.  Certainly, none of us can condone the killing of children, but 
in fact it is the Clinton government which has led the way in the killing of 
children.  About as many children died in the Waco massacre alone as in the 
Oklahoma City bombing.  It really infuriates me to see creatures like Bill 
Clinton and Janet Reno shedding crocodile tears over slaughtered children.  
These two are using the bodies of the dead children as a shield for themselves.
How many tears did they shed over the children they burned to death in Waco? 
The hatred one hears in their voices when they talk about the Oklahoma City 
bombers is not because children were killed; it is because they know that the 
bombing was aimed at them, at Bill Clinton and company.

Americans haven't had a real war fought on their own soil for 130 years.  We 
haven't experienced any significant domestic terrorism since Bill Clinton and 
his pro-Viet Cong buddies were burning ROTC buildings and bombing draft offices
back during the Vietnam war, and that was relatively tame stuff.  I think 
things are about to change.

The U.S. government has been trashing other people's countries for a long time 
now and getting away with it.  The U.S. government has been sponsoring Israeli 
terrorism in the Middle East for nearly 50 years, financing and condoning the 
assassinations and bombings of Arabs by Jews year after year, with remarkable 
forbearance on the part of the Arabs.  The bombing of the World Trade Center 
in New York by Muslims was a very small reprisal for all of that. 

After the U.S. government smashed Iraq four years ago in order to make the 
Middle East safe for Greater Israel, slaughtering thousands of Iraqi children 
in the process, there was much government talk about the danger of Iraqi 
terrorism, but nothing ever came of it.  But now something new is about to 
happen, I believe.  A growing number of Americans have such a hatred of the 
government in Washington that some of them will commit desperate and foolish 
acts like the Oklahoma City bombing.  A growing number will turn to
terrorism as their only weapon against a terrorist government. And I suspect 
that we'll see some real terrorism--planned, organized terrorism--before too 
long.  I suspect that a growing number of exasperated, fed-up Americans will 
begin engaging in terrorism on a scale that the world has never seen before.

As I said a moment ago, my first suspicion was that the Oklahoma City bombing 
might have been done by persons sympathetic to the victims of the government's
Waco massacre.  Things have reached the point in America, however, that this 
bombing could have been done by any of a very large number of angry, desperate
people.  The FBI has a list of potential terrorists that it checks whenever 
something like this happens, but in recent years that list has grown so large 
that it's become practically useless.  This may come as a surprise to some 
citizens, but, believe me, there are many, many Americans who have come to 
consider the U.S. government their worst enemy.  And among those Americans 
there are some who feel a sense of responsibility to do something about that 
enemy.

Let's get specific. If you watch a lot of television, you're easily misled into 
believing that the attitudes and sentiments you see on your screen are those 
of all Americans.  They aren't.  They are the attitudes and sentiments of those
segments of the population which believe that things have never been better in
America and that we have a wonderful government.  Foremost among these are the 
media people themselves -- not just the Jewish media bosses, but all of those 
who have their snouts in the media trough, including the commentators.  And, of
course, there are the politicians and the bureaucrats.  And the homosexuals and
the "career" women.  And the minorities.  The Clinton constituency.  They just 
love all of the artificial equality and all of the special privileges which 
have been bestowed on them.  They can't imagine why anyone would want to go 
back to the bad, old days when this was a White country, and men were men, and
women were women, and the freaks stayed in the closet, and everyone worked for
his living.

Watching television you'd never know it, but there are some normal people with 
healthy instincts left in America.  And not just heterosexual White males.  
There are still White women left in this country who believe that being a 
mother and a homemaker is not a fate worse than death: women who don't want 
want more laws requiring that they be hired as prison guards or furniture 
movers or making it a "hate crime" to hold a door open for them, but who do 
want a clean, healthy, White world for their children to grow up in.  

Certainly, not all of these normal, healthy White men and women are potential 
terrorists.  But a very substantial portion of them are intensely hostile to 
the government.  That portion can only grow during the next few years.  It's 
not just the Waco massacre or the bombing of Baghdad or this country's criminal
policy in the Middle East which makes so many Americans hate their government. 
It's what the government has done to America. 

It's the government's deliberate flooding of our country with non-Whites from 
the Third World, and the refusal to halt the massive illegal immigration across
our border with Mexico and the Caribbean.  

It's the government's catering to the worst elements in the population, buying 
their votes with welfare programs paid for by our hard work.  

It's the government's theft of our freedom -- with ever more oppressive taxes, 
with ever more restrictive rules and regulations of one sort or another, with 
efforts to take away our right to protect ourselves and our families. 

It's the more and more obviously corrupt and degenerate politicians who are 
holding the highest offices in the government: crooks and liars of the sort 
typified by Bill Clinton. 

It's the government's treasonous abdication of the responsibility entrusted to 
it, its shortsighted quest for votes, its willingness always to be led by the 
Jewish media rather than by a concern for the good of the country. 

It's the government's deliberate turning away from the people who built America 
and its cynical promotion of "multiculturalism," with the consequent ruin of
our schools, the degradation of our popular culture, and the conversion of our 
cities into crime-infested hell holes.  The government and the controlled media
are responsible for the spiritual poisoning of our young people: young Whites 
singing rap ditties and behaving like Blacks.

To yuppies in New York and Washington, none of these things may seem very 
important.  For people who have never had an unfashionable thought in their 
heads, for people who turn to their television for all of their opinions and 
attitudes, it may be hard to understand why anyone would be upset about what 
the government has done to America.  But, believe me, there are plenty of 
people who are very upset.  

People used to complain about the government's destructive policies, and they 
used to write their Congressmen and hope that what was happening was only a 
temporary aberration.  But after decades of writing their Congressmen and 
watching things become worse and worse, they're just plain mad as hell.  The 
privileged classes I named a minute ago -- the Jews and the politicians and the
homosexuals and the minorities and the female executives -- who believe that 
this is the best of all possible worlds, have no idea how angry, how furious, 
normal Americans are.  And, as I said, they're only going to get madder as time
goes on.  The ones who aren't mad are the ones who've simply become alienated. 
They have given up all hope for restoring any sort of sanity or decency to the 
country and are just looking out for themselves.

When people are pushed as far as they are willing to go, and when they believe 
that they have nothing left to lose, then they will resort to terrorism.  There
will be more and more such people in the future.  Even if they have no well 
thought-out plan, even if they belong to no organization and have no real 
ideology, even if they only are striking out as angry, frustrated individuals, 
their numbers and their deeds will grow.  Such disorganized terrorism, 
motivated by anger rather than by a plan, will never bring down the government. 
About all it can accomplish is the weakening of the self-confidence of the 
government's supporters and the encouragement of the government's enemies.  A 
long enough and intense enough period of terrorism can discourage many
people from making long-term career plans and can lead to more of a short-term 
mind-set in the general population, a let's-get-through-life-one-day-at-a-time 
outlook. But by itself it can't really accomplish anything positive.

It's really too bad that innocent people will die -- especially innocent 
children.  It's too bad that people will be maimed and injured.  It's too bad 
that people will be made fearful.  If people could act in a rational way, all 
of that could be avoided.  But they never do.  When a civilization is dying, 
when the soul of a people is being poisoned, all sorts of irrational behavior 
takesplace.  The government does bizarre and destructive things. Individual 
citizens do bizarre and destructive things.  And bloodshed and suffering
are inevitable.  It will become worse.  There is nothing the government can
do to stop it -- certainly not a government headed by the likes of Bill Clinton.

So what ought people like us to do: people who approve of neither government 
terrorism, such as the Waco massacre or the bombing of Baghdad, nor private 
terrorism, such as the Oklahoma City bombing?  Should we just sit on our hands 
and watch the government terrorists and the private terrorists fight it out?

That, unfortunately, is what most of us have been doing until now.  We've 
watched it all on television, but we haven't done anything about it.  I believe
that it's time for a few of us to begin shouldering a little responsibility for
what's going on in the world around us.  After all, it's our civilization 
they're destroying.

Here's what I believe that we can and should do.  We should help the more 
perceptive members of the public to see terrorism in its context, rather than 
merely as a series of individual acts.  Back during the Vietnam war, when Bill 
Clinton's buddies were bombing ROTC buildings and draft board offices, and when
they used a fertilizer bomb of the same sort used in Oklahoma City to blow up a
research center at the University of Wisconsin, the context was clear.  The 
terrorism was a protest against U.S. involvement in the war.  The whole public 
understood that.  

We need to help people understand that a good bit, if not all, of the private 
terrorism we'll be seeing in the future will be a protest against the 
government's destruction of America.   And most of the government terrorism 
will be an effort to frighten the government's critics into silence and
inactivity.  More and more, the government will lash out at dissidents, at 
anyone who is not Politically Correct.  And the two sides will feed on each
other: the more repressive and terroristic the government becomes, the more 
individuals there'll be who'll engage in terrorism to get back at the 
government.  And the more individual terrorism there is against the government, 
the more terroristic the government will become in turn.  And the rest of us 
will be caught between them.

More important than helping people understand the cause of private terrorism is
helping them to understand the role of the government in terrorism. The problem
is that when the government commits a terrorist act, it's not called terrorism.
It's always called something else.  That confuses people.  I'll bet that before
the Oklahoma City bombing ninety per cent of the general public couldn't have 
told you what happened in Waco, Texas, two years ago.  And most of those who 
did remember the Waco massacre remembered it the way the controlled media 
described it: as a justified police raid on a group of dangerous extremists.

"Extremists": that's one of those buzz words the controlled media and the 
governmemt use when they want to prejudice the public against someone.  The 
public needs to be told that the people killed at Waco were just members of a
fundamentalist Christian church that didn't like the government, but they were 
no threat to anybody.  The government had no business interfering in their 
lives. The people who ordered the raid on the Branch Davidian church which 
killed nearly a hundred innocent people, mostly women and children, were Bill 
Clinton and Janet Reno.  They did it simply because the Davidians were 
different. Their religion was odd.  They weren't part of the mainstream.  They 
weren't fashionable.  And Bill Clinton and Janet Reno are still sitting in 
their offices in Washington, condemning other terrorists, telling everyone 
that they won't tolerate terrorism.  And as long as people like them are 
allowed to hold public office and to get away with mass murder, we'll have a 
growing problem of terrorism to worry about.  People need to understand that.

We'll never have peace in America until the general public understands the 
government's role in provoking and committing terrorism and is ready to call 
the government to account for it.  I don't know who set off the bomb in 
Oklahoma City or exactly what their motive was, but I have a suspicion that if 
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno had been put on trial for murdering all those 
children in Waco two years ago, there wouldn't have been an Oklahoma City 
bombing a week ago.

Violence breeds violence.  I wish there were a way we could stop it, but I 
think that about all we can do now is understand it and try to help other 
people understand it too.  The bond of trust between the U.S. government and 
its citizens has been broken, and it's far too late to mend it.  The rift 
between normal, healthy Americans and the Clinton constituency will continue to 
grow. Let's try to keep as many of those normal Americans as we can looking at 
the big picture and not letting themselves be confused by the controlled media.

The Clinton constituency, the privileged classes who support government 
terrorism against the rest of us, will be pushing hard for more government 
repression.  They'll be pushing for scrapping what's left of the First 
Amendment and passing laws against any form of Politically Incorrect 
expression.  They believe that if they can control what normal Americans read 
and hear and think, they can control what we do.  Even before the Oklahoma City 
bombing, Jewish groups such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Southern 
Poverty Law Center and the B'nai B'rith were lobbying for laws to keep 
Politically Incorrect ideas off the "information superhighway," off the
Internet.  Now they'll use each new incident of terrorism as an excuse for
censorship, for repression, for controlling what people are permitted to say 
and hear and read and write.  They'll say, "If there had been more laws against 
'extremists,' against people who don't like the government, against people who 
don't think the way we tell them to think, this wouldn't have happened." 
They'll try to stampede a timid, frightened, confused public into allowing the 
government to take away even more of their rights in return for the false 
promise of more security.

Our task is to halt that stampede by helping people understand who America's 
real enemies are, by helping them understand the underlying causes of 
terrorism, and by encouraging them to stand together in a united front against 
government terrorism.  We must begin laying the groundwork for an America in 
which there is no terrorism.

Thanks for being with me today.

=============================================================

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


From oneb!news.port.island.net!news.island.net!news.bc.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!bn946 Sat Apr 29 04:59:07 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: I wonder
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In a previous posting, Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, why has no-one asked WHY a daycare center was in a Fed building?
> 
> Because no-one else is so dense, Les. There were people working there who
> had children. I don't know about the northern side of the WLUB, but in the
> US, it's not uncommon for employers to set up day dare centers for
> employees' kids.

Even in a building that houses police agencies, eh Andy?

I've heard that the daycare center was an independent operation anyway, so
go soak your head.

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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Subject: Re: Society Needs Jews
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Society needs jews like a hole in the head.

Hi, Jenn!  Miss me?

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Religion or race?
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Heck, I don't claim to be an expert on the question of whether or not jews
are a race or just a religion, like they say they are.  So I thought I'd
look up a few quotes by jews of distinction, and see what _they_ had to
say about it.  After all, jews keep telling us that only THEY know about
jews, right?

"We are a people - one people." -- Theodore Herzl, _The Jewish State_,
American Zionist Emergency Council, New York, 1946, p. 76

"A Jew remains a Jew even though he changes his religion; a Christian who
would adopt the Jewish religion would not become a Jew, because the
quality of a Jew is not in the religion but in the race." -- _The Jewish
World_, Dec. 14, 1922.

"If a Jew is baptized, no one will believe that he is no longer a Jew. 
His blood, temperament and intellectual characteristics have not been
changed." -- Mr Arthur D. Lewishoff of the West London Zionist Association.

"No race ever defied assimilation so stubbornly and successfully....
Probably no important European race is so pure."  "Let us all recognize
that we Jews are a distinct nationality of which every Jew, whatever his
country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member....
Organize, organize, organize, until every Jew must stand up and be counted
- counted with us, or prove himself, wittingly or unwittingly of the few
who are against their own people." -- Louis D. Brandeis, _The Jewish
Problem And How To Solve It_, Zionist Organization, New York, 1919, pp.
12, 14

"The distinctive character of the Jew does not arise solely from his
religion.  Is is true that his race and religion are indissolubly
connected... but whatever be the sense of this junction of the race idea
with the religion, it is very certain that the religion alone does not
constitute the people.  A believer in the Jewish faith does not by reason
of that fact become a Jew.  On the other hand, however, a Jew by birth
remains a Jew, even though he abjures his religion." -- Leo N. Levi,
President of B'nai B'rith.  Quoted in _The International Jew_, Dearborn
Publishing Co., 1920, Vol. II, p. 6

Phew!  Pretty telling stuff, eh?  Whaddaya all think?

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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Subject: Andy's memory!
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In a previous posting, Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> For some reason, Les thought it was a good idea to wrtie:
> 
>>I have already.  But, to recap for you, since you seem not to be able to
>>retain information (or else conveniently "forget it" for purposes of
>>debate), White is anyone of wholly Northwest European descent.
> 
> I retain information better than you evidently think, Les. You defined
> White a month or two ago as "anyone of Indo-European descent." Now you've
> added "wholly" and and restricted it to Northwest Europe.

Actually, Andy, Indo-European and Northwest European are synonymous in the
racial sense.  Of course, it doesn't surprise me that I've got to explain
that to you.

> The master race keeps shrinking. Pretty soon, Les'll be signing on with the 
> Canninefaates or Batavarians or Frisians.

God forbid...

> The "wholly" is another sticking point. How do you propose to track down
> that stray nigger gene, Les? Have you had YOUR DNA sequenced? How easy is
> it to spot someone who is 9/10 Aryan and 1/10 italian? Or is Italy
> Northwest Europe now? We've already established that you don't think it's
> Mediterranean.

Certain parts of Italy are more White than others, doofus.  Just as
certain Italians are White, and some aren't.  Here we go again with the
leftists pretending that the borders as they exist today define race...

> The point, Les, is that you have no fixed definition of White, or Aryan.
> Like McCarthy's fictitious list of (insert number here) Communists in the
> (insert government agency here), you spout off whatever definition suits
> you at the moment, bending the definition so that it includes Charles Drew
> but not Tonya Harding. Even when you make a point of the fact that you
> have an exact definition, you change the definition.

No, I never said that Charles Drew was an "Aryan"; I simply said that
anyone with eyes (and a brain) could see that he wasn't "Black", the way
that the puffed-up negrophiles want him to be.

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Religion or race?
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Heck, I don't claim to be an expert on the question of whether or not jews
are a race or just a religion, like they say they are.  So I thought I'd
look up a few quotes by jews of distinction, and see what _they_ had to
say about it.  After all, jews keep telling us that only THEY know about
jews, right?

"We are a people - one people." -- Theodore Herzl, _The Jewish State_,
American Zionist Emergency Council, New York, 1946, p. 76

"A Jew remains a Jew even though he changes his religion; a Christian who
would adopt the Jewish religion would not become a Jew, because the
quality of a Jew is not in the religion but in the race." -- _The Jewish
World_, Dec. 14, 1922.

"If a Jew is baptized, no one will believe that he is no longer a Jew. 
His blood, temperament and intellectual characteristics have not been
changed." -- Mr Arthur D. Lewishoff of the West London Zionist Association.

"No race ever defied assimilation so stubbornly and successfully....
Probably no important European race is so pure."  "Let us all recognize
that we Jews are a distinct nationality of which every Jew, whatever his
country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member....
Organize, organize, organize, until every Jew must stand up and be counted
- counted with us, or prove himself, wittingly or unwittingly of the few
who are against their own people." -- Louis D. Brandeis, _The Jewish
Problem And How To Solve It_, Zionist Organization, New York, 1919, pp.
12, 14

"The distinctive character of the Jew does not arise solely from his
religion.  Is is true that his race and religion are indissolubly
connected... but whatever be the sense of this junction of the race idea
with the religion, it is very certain that the religion alone does not
constitute the people.  A believer in the Jewish faith does not by reason
of that fact become a Jew.  On the other hand, however, a Jew by birth
remains a Jew, even though he abjures his religion." -- Leo N. Levi,
President of B'nai B'rith.  Quoted in _The International Jew_, Dearborn
Publishing Co., 1920, Vol. II, p. 6

Phew!  Pretty telling stuff, eh?  Whaddaya all think?

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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Subject: Andy's memory!
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In a previous posting, Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> For some reason, Les thought it was a good idea to wrtie:
> 
>>I have already.  But, to recap for you, since you seem not to be able to
>>retain information (or else conveniently "forget it" for purposes of
>>debate), White is anyone of wholly Northwest European descent.
> 
> I retain information better than you evidently think, Les. You defined
> White a month or two ago as "anyone of Indo-European descent." Now you've
> added "wholly" and and restricted it to Northwest Europe.

Actually, Andy, Indo-European and Northwest European are synonymous in the
racial sense.  Of course, it doesn't surprise me that I've got to explain
that to you.

> The master race keeps shrinking. Pretty soon, Les'll be signing on with the 
> Canninefaates or Batavarians or Frisians.

God forbid...

> The "wholly" is another sticking point. How do you propose to track down
> that stray nigger gene, Les? Have you had YOUR DNA sequenced? How easy is
> it to spot someone who is 9/10 Aryan and 1/10 italian? Or is Italy
> Northwest Europe now? We've already established that you don't think it's
> Mediterranean.

Certain parts of Italy are more White than others, doofus.  Just as
certain Italians are White, and some aren't.  Here we go again with the
leftists pretending that the borders as they exist today define race...

> The point, Les, is that you have no fixed definition of White, or Aryan.
> Like McCarthy's fictitious list of (insert number here) Communists in the
> (insert government agency here), you spout off whatever definition suits
> you at the moment, bending the definition so that it includes Charles Drew
> but not Tonya Harding. Even when you make a point of the fact that you
> have an exact definition, you change the definition.

No, I never said that Charles Drew was an "Aryan"; I simply said that
anyone with eyes (and a brain) could see that he wasn't "Black", the way
that the puffed-up negrophiles want him to be.

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Children as BATF's Human Shields?
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In a previous posting,  (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article <9504230815.AA20428@king-kong.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>,
> anonymous  wrote:
> 
>>I'm not sure I completely believe this premise, but it brings up the
>>point that the Federals put a daycare center in the same building with
>>an agency that deals daily with explosives and incendiary devices (note
>>the rocket launcher reputedly found in the basement).
> 
> Yeah, well if there's all that ammo down there they're being pretty 
> wanton about searching the rubble, wouldn't you say so?  It's all 
> bullshit, the daycare was nothing more than that, a daycare... The BTAF 
> needs an administration building as much as anybody else, that's what it 
> was.  It wasn't exactly a fort.  I don't buy this stuff about weapons in 
> the basement etc...

You mean that you don't WANT to buy it...

> It's like that great video on Waco I saw a clip from today, the right 
> wingers claimed that the armoured vehicle had fire spouting from the front 
> as it came out, and it turned out to be aluminum siding reflecting the sun.

So what's your point?  That "right wingers" are not allowed to be wrong?

>>This argues that the Federals were not using good sense in protecting
>>the children in their care.
> 
> They weren't expecting some nuts to bomb the building, some aren't as 
> paranoid as others...

And some aren't as naive, either...

Various people have made it quite plain that they consider the U.S.
government their ENEMY.  Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the FBI and the
BATF are organs of the U.S. government, no?

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Dion and Pyramid: YOU be the judge!
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In a previous posting, starla (starla@ursula.uoregon.edu) writes:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Les Griswold wrote:

>> Sure, sure... probably, they REALLY involve me in bicycle shorts and a
>> muscle shirt, right?  Be honest...

> Actually, I _have_ written a little story about us, Less.
> 
> If you want to see it I'll post it.

I have a feeling you're going to anyway...

> As far as bicycle shorts go, it wouldn't reveal anything except for the fact 
> you don't have a penis.  And a muscle shirt would only reveal your 
> pre-pubescent-like breasts and rolls and rolls of 
> sedentary-lifestyle-induced fat.

Hey, if that gets you through the night...

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Fake rape statistics?  I think not...
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Quite funny, actually, that you guys are so determined to accuse me of
making up rape statistics, just because some pin-head tells us that there
was "no mention of interracial rape in the 1988 FBI Unified Crime Report".
 Like it really would have come right out and SAID "In 1988, 9 405 Black
males raped White women."  Come ON!  How naive do you think people are
(well, obviously, pretty naive).  One has to apply a little OBJECTIVE
thinking to the stats.

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black Rage: DNA evidence
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In a previous posting,  (an224605@anon.penet.fi) writes:
> I don't know if this has been already mentioned, but here it is.
> 
> Blacks have something known as Black Rage. It is really a dormant gene that
> about 80% of blacks posses. This gene becomes active in cases of extreme
> violence. In most blacks the gene is always active, the reason for crimes.
> 
> In the case of OJ Simpson, a 'normal' black man, the gene became active when
> he became violent and committed murder.  ( Not proven yet but...)
> 
> That is why nerd blacks and Uncle Toms are sometimes caught doing horrific
> crimes. This gene makes the black man go insane and commit all types of 
> terrible crimes. Think about this, doesn't it all make perfect sense?
> 
> 
>   
>                           " EIN KAMPF, EIN SIEG! " 

But you should realize by now, it's perfectly legit to argue that homos
are genetic in origin, but to argue that violence is genetic in origin
(and that certain races... oops, er, I mean, humans) are more prone to
carry this gene than others is a no-no.

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, Shaul Douek (gangsta@zoot.tau.ac.il) writes:
> Ya'all, I'm a jew from Israel, and if you wonder how we thrive and have
> such a success even though we are a small country then you should know
> that the jewish head is known to be the best one !!!!!

And all those massive subsidies from the U.S. don't hurt either.

> We hold the credit for many great politicians, spritual men and thinkers
> and for other well-known characters. Jews are hated because of their
> ability to survive as a minority, and not only to survive, but to succeed
> in their area of exper. as well.

No, they're disliked because they are, in essence, corrupt and sneaky.

> Lokk here, Antisemic people have been here since ever, and once they at
> least knew what they hate jews for, but now it has just become a fucking
> tradition.

It's "anti-semitic".  At least get it right.

> Remember Einstein !!!!

As a plagiarist?

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, BrownMan (Smartathanyathink@ucdavis.edu) writes:
> Sometimes it just amazes me that people sit around and spout such hateful
> speech. It doesn't matter if it comes from a German-American, or and
> African-American...its just the same bullshit. Its just a group of people
> that is insecure about their place in this world. ANd instead of forging a
> place for everyone, they build fences to keep everyone out (all the while
> isolating themselves from the world). For all the Aryan
> Nation/KKK/WhitePower advocates, I got one thing to say: you are in the
> GLOBAL MINORITY,

So?  We're concerned about a majority of WILL, not a majority of numbers
(you can have all the sheeple).

> and its just a matter of time before you are all GONE...just a matter of time.

You sound like you know something...

Pretty neat, actually.  He starts off by ranting against ALL
"supremacists", but he then makes it very plain that he's addressing WHITE
supremacists.  I guess we all know what people REALLY think of when they
say "supremacist".

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <3nkcfh$694@news2.delphi.com>,
> MZAPPALA@DELPHI.COM  wrote:
> 
>>Jews *are* known for being smart.  as Liz Phair would say... "JEALOUSY"
> 
> 	In a discussion on fascism and the modern "Satanist" movement 
> which I've been having with several friends, it's been pointed out that 
> the Nazi/WP types seem to _envy_ Jews, while they feel contempt for 
> other races.  You've certainly got to admit that there is a bit of "sour 
> grapes" in a lot of the anti-Semitic material I've seen. 

It never ceases to amuse me how liberals (oops, I mean libertarians -
there's a HUGE difference!) keep on harping about "jewish smarts", while
shying away from a couple of benchmark definitions:

1)  What SORT of intelligence are jews known for?  (animal cunning is not
something to be jealous of)

2)  Jews are (supposedly) smarter than "whites".  Well, why not compare
jews to specific groups of whites, say Scots or Irish or French or German.
 Or if Judaism is a religion, why not compare jew IQs with those of
Mormons, Baptists, Odinists, etc.?

>>>>   Is it that Jews (those that practice Judaism actively) are not 
>>>> Christian or the fact that approximately 1,960 years ago some Jews killed 
>>>> the Son of God? Actually, being anti-Semitic and Christian is 
>>>> contradictory. Jesus was a Jew and King of the Jews!

What about "anti-semites" who are not Christian?

> 	Completely true.  While some of the wingnuts seem to think that 
> Christ was an "Aryan" and not a Jew (and seem to think that today's Jews 
> are really "Khazars," despite the fact that no traces of any Urgo-Turkic 
> language structure like Khazar can be found in Yiddish),

No shit, Sherlock.  Considering that Yiddish is ripped off from a dialect
of German, it doesn't surprise me, or anyone else who knows ANYTHING about
languages.  You're really reaching to score points, aren't you?

> Jesus was a circumcised Jew whose followers called him Rabbi.  

Well, at least you got THAT right!

Les
--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, A. Jingar (edu4a2j@leeds.ac.uk) writes:
>>Hey, chief, "native americans" have already been amply compensated. 
>>THEY'RE happy with their sattelite dishes, pickup trucks, snow-mobiles,
>>welfare cheques... none of which, BTW, they would have developed on their
>>own.
> 
> So, would you be satisfied if some ethnic minority took over the whole US one 
> day, and gave you satellite dishes, cars, welfare-cheques,etc for 
> compensation? Would you be seriously content with that? I THINK NOT, AND YOU 
> MUST BE AS NARROW-MINDED AS YOUR INITIAL IMPRESSION PORTRAYS YOU AS!!
> 
> Fucking Grow-up !!

Grow up yourself.

I just love the reality-denial inherit in liberal arguments like the one
above, ie "how would YOU like it if... ".  Well, Jingar, the simple fact
is, the US (and the whole White world) IS being taken over by an ethnic
minority (and an extremely malevolent one at that), and they aren't even
giving us satellite dishes, pick-up trucks, or anything else except
compound interest and massive inflation.  If you can't see THAT, you've
got a hole in your head.

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, WreckGlory (wreckglory@aol.com) writes:
> White women are not "the prize."
> 
> Everyone is attracted to different types; there is no "one standard" for
> beauty.
> 
> Some black men like white women.  And some white women like black men!  
> 
> Your "theory" is grossly negligent of human psychology.    There is no
> such thing as "the prize."

Which explains all those white guys with Black females, I guess.:-)

Les


--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting,  (levan@eagle.ais.net) writes:
> Les, I can see the complete and total stupidity in everything that I have 
> read of yours.  When I first started reading this dribble by you racist 
> ass-munches I swore to never bother responding to anyone as stupid as this 
> "Les".
> 
> I'll admit that there have been a few (VERY FEW) intelligent posts in this 
> newgroup.  I consider myself to be a proud white man who choses not to mix 
> races.  This decision is not out of hatred though.  When I lived in the 
> south, my best friend was a well educated black woman twenty years older than 
> myself.

Oh, give us all a break.  Snivelling and grovelling in front of others won't
win you respect, it'll only win you contempt.

> I trusted her with my white daughter and anything of value to me.  

You're a true fool.

> Someday, you'll wake up a realize just how stupid it is to hate someone just 
> beauce of the color of their skin or the slant of thier eyes.

If you'd wake up and actually listen to what WE have to say, rather than
what the controlled media WANTS you to believe about us, you'd know that
we don't "hate someone just beauce (sic) of the color of their skin or the
slant of thier (sic) eyes."

> When I hear the senseless dribble coming from assholes like you, I am ashamed 
> to be white.

And when I hear senseless drivel coming from pathetic whites like you, I
am moved to vomit. 

Les


--
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		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

(Kevin Filan:)
> : 	I'm not sure on this one.  I am sure, though that I have no 
> : "Germanic" blood in me.  (I'm of mixed Irish/Slavic ancestry, with a fair 
> : amount of Yid genes swimming around in the pool... and Scat and Jenn who 
> : have both seen me or a picture of same... will confirm that I'm certainly 
> : White as the driven snow.  I have White earwax, White enzymes in my 
> : urine, a small penis, and absolutely no sense of rhythm whatsoever... how 
> : much Whiter than that can you get?)
> 
> Not even close; if the Celtic race has any Germanic blood in them, it's
> because of rape.  Do my fellow Celts believe that the Germanic race is our
> ally?  Is the wolf an ally of the flock of sheep?

This part-Celt, part-Teuton finds your comparison of Celts to sheep very
offensive.

> NEVER!!  The Germanic race has been responsible for most of the wickedness 
> in the world, from colonizing the Celtic, Native American, African, and 
> Asian peoples to attempting genocide.

Whine, whine, bleat, bleat... hey, take it over to alt.white.equals.evil.

It's neat, really, how liberals argue with us that OTHER races did the
same things us Whites did, only centuries (or millenia) before, and then
some OTHER liberal comes along and tells us that these things were evil,
anyway!

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, Sean Jordan (sjorda1@zeus.towson.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Seriously, I think that it is time for y'all to stop generalizing.  I am 
> not saying that I am 100% anything, however, I personally know people who 
> are 1st generation American who are just as white as any European White 
> person.  How could they be kept out of the days of Aryan power simply due 
> to the place that they live?

They're just trolling, Sean.  They're trying to crowd
alt.politics.white-power with their silly babblings, thinking that we'll
take notice of them and be so embarrassed that we'll leave.  I dunno why
they don't stay on their Netherlands board, where they can keep libelling
certain kinsmen to their Red hearts' content.

Les

--
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into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <3nkcfh$694@news2.delphi.com>,
> MZAPPALA@DELPHI.COM  wrote:
> 
>>Jews *are* known for being smart.  as Liz Phair would say... "JEALOUSY"
> 
> 	In a discussion on fascism and the modern "Satanist" movement 
> which I've been having with several friends, it's been pointed out that 
> the Nazi/WP types seem to _envy_ Jews, while they feel contempt for 
> other races.  You've certainly got to admit that there is a bit of "sour 
> grapes" in a lot of the anti-Semitic material I've seen. 

It never ceases to amuse me how liberals (oops, I mean libertarians -
there's a HUGE difference!) keep on harping about "jewish smarts", while
shying away from a couple of benchmark definitions:

1)  What SORT of intelligence are jews known for?  (animal cunning is not
something to be jealous of)

2)  Jews are (supposedly) smarter than "whites".  Well, why not compare
jews to specific groups of whites, say Scots or Irish or French or German.
 Or if Judaism is a religion, why not compare jew IQs with those of
Mormons, Baptists, Odinists, etc.?

>>>>   Is it that Jews (those that practice Judaism actively) are not 
>>>> Christian or the fact that approximately 1,960 years ago some Jews killed 
>>>> the Son of God? Actually, being anti-Semitic and Christian is 
>>>> contradictory. Jesus was a Jew and King of the Jews!

What about "anti-semites" who are not Christian?

> 	Completely true.  While some of the wingnuts seem to think that 
> Christ was an "Aryan" and not a Jew (and seem to think that today's Jews 
> are really "Khazars," despite the fact that no traces of any Urgo-Turkic 
> language structure like Khazar can be found in Yiddish),

No shit, Sherlock.  Considering that Yiddish is ripped off from a dialect
of German, it doesn't surprise me, or anyone else who knows ANYTHING about
languages.  You're really reaching to score points, aren't you?

> Jesus was a circumcised Jew whose followers called him Rabbi.  

Well, at least you got THAT right!

Les



--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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Subject: Thank you, thank you...
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Geez, I feel so LOVED with all this speculation about me going on!  Wow! 
Keep it up guys!

Les

(happy like you wouldn't believe!)

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
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		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

(Kevin Filan:)
> : 	I'm not sure on this one.  I am sure, though that I have no 
> : "Germanic" blood in me.  (I'm of mixed Irish/Slavic ancestry, with a fair 
> : amount of Yid genes swimming around in the pool... and Scat and Jenn who 
> : have both seen me or a picture of same... will confirm that I'm certainly 
> : White as the driven snow.  I have White earwax, White enzymes in my 
> : urine, a small penis, and absolutely no sense of rhythm whatsoever... how 
> : much Whiter than that can you get?)
> 
> Not even close; if the Celtic race has any Germanic blood in them, it's
> because of rape.  Do my fellow Celts believe that the Germanic race is our
> ally?  Is the wolf an ally of the flock of sheep?

This part-Celt, part-Teuton finds your comparison of Celts to sheep very
offensive.

> NEVER!!  The Germanic race has been responsible for most of the wickedness 
> in the world, from colonizing the Celtic, Native American, African, and 
> Asian peoples to attempting genocide.

Whine, whine, bleat, bleat... hey, take it over to alt.white.equals.evil.

It's neat, really, how liberals argue with us that OTHER races did the
same things us Whites did, only centuries (or millenia) before, and then
some OTHER liberal comes along and tells us that these things were evil,
anyway!

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver


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In a previous posting, Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

(Kevin Filan:)
> : 	I'm not sure on this one.  I am sure, though that I have no 
> : "Germanic" blood in me.  (I'm of mixed Irish/Slavic ancestry, with a fair 
> : amount of Yid genes swimming around in the pool... and Scat and Jenn who 
> : have both seen me or a picture of same... will confirm that I'm certainly 
> : White as the driven snow.  I have White earwax, White enzymes in my 
> : urine, a small penis, and absolutely no sense of rhythm whatsoever... how 
> : much Whiter than that can you get?)
> 
> Not even close; if the Celtic race has any Germanic blood in them, it's
> because of rape.  Do my fellow Celts believe that the Germanic race is our
> ally?  Is the wolf an ally of the flock of sheep?

This part-Celt, part-Teuton finds your comparison of Celts to sheep very
offensive.

> NEVER!!  The Germanic race has been responsible for most of the wickedness 
> in the world, from colonizing the Celtic, Native American, African, and 
> Asian peoples to attempting genocide.

Whine, whine, bleat, bleat... hey, take it over to alt.white.equals.evil.

It's neat, really, how liberals argue with us that OTHER races did the
same things us Whites did, only centuries (or millenia) before, and then
some OTHER liberal comes along and tells us that these things were evil,
anyway!

Les

--
Our situation is desperate, and we can afford no illusions, no retreat
into a land of dreams.  Now, more than ever, optimism is cowardice.
		-- Revilo P. Oliver



Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 23:48:37 GMT
>From: kfilan@netcom.com (kevin filan)
Subject: Re: 6 Million? who cares?
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In article <3mbjj3$j5i@access4.digex.net>,
Michael P. Stein  wrote:
>In article <3mabo7$sfm@amhux3.amherst.edu>,
>Josh Klein  wrote:
>>frenesi@delphi.com wrote:
>>> If you are looking for the missing six-million, have you tried New York
>>> City or Miami Beach?
>>
>>Actually, this comedian has merely repeated what some revisionist earnestly
>>declared on this group last week: that the missing Jews _were_ in
>>America.

	I believe Les was the comedian of whom you speak.  

	After going to the library today, I got these figures from the 
_1989 Statistical Yearbook of the Immigration and Naturalization Service_:

		Immigration to the United States 1936-1945
		Immigrant Aliens Admitted for Permanent Residence

1936		36,329			1941		51,776
1937		50,244			1942		28,781
1938		67,895			1943		23,725
1939		82,998			1944		28,551
1940		70,756			1945		38,119

			Total		479,174

	Note that this is the total for _all_ immigrants during this 
period: I'm going to assume that a fair amount of Gentile (and, while 
we're at it, non-European) immigrants came in at that time. 

	There's your statistics, fellows: unless they were altered by the 
Zionist Occupying Government, it seems that these refugees aren't in 
Miami Beach and New York.  So I ask the question yet again (and note that 
I've not yet heard back from Greg Raven on this); where did the Jews of 
Eastern Europe go?

Peace
Kevin Filan

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