From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Mar  7 13:27:54 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Apartheid and Supremacy or else?
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Norman Nithman (nrn@tezcat.com) writes:
> In article <4bv0mi$g4o@anarchy.io.com>, carlosq  wrote:
>>orion38 (Orion38@cris.com) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 1995, Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>>> 
>>> > : As Crime Soars, White South Africans Leave 
>>> 
>>
>>**In places other than Africa, with comparable poverty and urbanization,
>>civil order is holding.  In Africa, society itself is collapsing, to say
>>nothing of governments. 
>>
>>**Is there a problem here?  (Oh, yes, and it's all White people's fault...)
> 
> Been to Moscow lately?

Probably, he hasn't.  But, the entire infrastructure is NOT collapsing in
Moscow ANYTHING like it's doing in EVERY BLACK COUNTRY.  Get a grip.

Les




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Article: 75682 of soc.culture.usa
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nairobi's decline: Is it Racial?
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> Lionell Griffith  wrote:
>>frank forman wrote:
>>> 
>>> orion38 (Orion38@cris.com) wrote:
>>> 
>>> : The following article raises a question about the capability of black
>>> : African states to maintain modern civilization. Unlike Japan and Far
>>> : Eastern countries which were also colonized by the West, African countries
>>> : have failed to adequately maintain the infrastructure necessary for modern
>>> : Western society. The question that we must not duck is, Is it racial?
>>> : Because if it is purely cultural, then why have cultures as diverse as
>>> : Singapore, Japan, and Hong Kong been able to prosper, while those as diverse
>>> : as Cairo, Mogadishu, Lagos, and Port Au Prince have not?

> The reason is both historic, political and economic.  Historically, Africa
> has never had the strategic importance places like Japan or Korea ( Hong Kong
> being a british territory, it is irrelevant to our discussion here) had. 

Oh, give it a rest, you ignorant gum-flapping tree-swinger.  Africa has
mineral wealth, the greatest in the world.  Japan and Korea DON'T.  As
long as the White Western nations maintained colonies in Africa, Africans
did all right.  When they left, due to misplaced philanthropy or guilt,
Africa collapsed.  The same thing can be said of India.

(snip - the rest of Abdrool's off-target fantasizing deleted, because it's
just a bunch of nonsensical gum-beating that tries to use economics and
politics to excuse negro incapability)

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Mar  7 13:27:56 PST 1996
Article: 75698 of soc.culture.usa
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nairobi's decline: Is it Racial?
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : (snip - the rest of Abdrool's off-target fantasizing deleted, because it's
> : just a bunch of nonsensical gum-beating that tries to use economics and
> : politics to excuse negro incapability)
> 
> Heaven forfend economics and politics should ever have anything to do with 
> anything.  It's all race race race, oh yes.

Interesting, Stewie, that you clipped the part of Abdrool's message that I
responded to.  No matter.  

FYI, I never denied that economics and politics had something to do with
the situation in Africa.  They most certainly did.  However, Abdrool's
message made it quite clear that race had NOTHING to do with it.  The
"it's all economics and politics!" whine as an excuse for negro
incompetence is wearing kind of thin.

Les

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