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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
Subject: Re: Monotheism vs. polytheism
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hadi@unixg.ubc.ca (mohammad hadi izadi) wrote:

>: Could somebody explain to me why monotheism is automatically considered
>: superior to polytheism?


>>>Simply because one is true and the other is not.

Yeah, and why don't you muslims use toilet paper if monotheism is so
much better why doesn't Allah teach you clown how to wipe your fucking
asses?



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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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yorkjo00@ac.usfca.edu (York) wrote:

>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>: Could somebody explain to me why monotheism is automatically considered
>: superior to polytheism?

>monotheism superior to polytheism?.......oh-oh looks like chronic
>hierarchilasy (condition that leads to ranking everything)

>personally i think that having only one God/dess is limiting but then
>there are always those who say that all the deities are part of one
>divine, Hel if i know, i lost my instruction book on the way here

>Ribbit
>	allyn

>: Les

>: --
>: It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
>: hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
>: the very last possible ounce of energy.
>: 		-- Adolf Hitler


Might makes right. Once we crush all montheist as they have crushed
us, then we will be the best. War is what makes a religion a great
force. The montheists are great killers. When Pagans start to kill as
ruthlessly as the monotheists, then we will be great. Might makes
right. Weakness makes you dead. This is the lesson of history. Those
who win the wars, write the history. Hail Odin!

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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
Subject: Re: Elders of Zion of 33rd Degree
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Knowledge Wolf@ictp.trieste.it wrote:

>RE: The question as to where I found a copy of _The_
>Protocols_ titled _Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion_of_the_
>33rd_Degree_, I find it is quoted this way in a book titled
>WAKE UP, AMERICA! perhaps Pat Brooks or Omni Christian
>Book Club can help. (Omni Christian Book Club would be 
>better named Omni Quasi-Christian Ethnicity-Deifying Book
>Club. False gods come in all shapes and sizes.)
>
>Knowledge Wolf.

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entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) wrote:

>In article <3qle7i$3v7@ictpsp10.ictp.trieste.it>,
>  wrote:
>>RE: The question as to where I found a copy of _The_
>>Protocols_ titled _Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion_of_the_
>>33rd_Degree_, I find it is quoted this way in a book titled
>>WAKE UP, AMERICA! perhaps Pat Brooks or Omni Christian
>>Book Club can help. (Omni Christian Book Club would be 
>>better named Omni Quasi-Christian Ethnicity-Deifying Book
>>Club. False gods come in all shapes and sizes.)

>I thought the Protocols book was proved to be fake quite
>sometime ago? Anyone have references?

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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
Subject: Re: Anti-ADL = Anti Semitic ????
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ephes525@postoffice.ptd.net wrote:


>*******          **********
>Shalom Aleichem, Harvey, dear Jewish brother of mine (or are you Khazar?):

>1.  WHY would you question if I'm a Jew or pretending to be a Jew?  ANSWER:  
>because I'm the most DANGEROUS kind of Jew!  One who will tell the TRUTH 
>about my own people, even though my won will ostracize me (evidence:  
>your response to me)

>2.  WHY are you attacking me?  I said nothing harmful about any person, 
>Jew or otherwise.  I only reported the findings of my research on an 
>organization, most of it public knowledge available in even the 
>Zionist-controlled newspapers!  Your vicious attitude betrays your lack of 
>credibility.  

>3.  I'm not saying you are purposefully discrediting my mental-state 
>BECAUSE you are a part of the propaganda machine for the international 
>bankers, but you are certainly a PRODUCT of their dis-information 
>machine.  And you are well-trained.  It is TYPICAL of those seeking to 
>defend Socialist causes to attack one's METAL STATE!   Th is I said in 
>earlier postings.  I guess it is the last resort when the branding of the 
>label "Anti-Semitism" doesn't stick (as in the case of me, a Jew!).

>4.  Dear Harvey, please consider the anti-social way in which you have 
>conducted yourself....it is most inappropriate.  I suggest you just state
>facts, not attack.  Do you have some FACTS that will enlighten me?  Were 
>the San Franciso Police lying when they said that they ADL was spying on 
>organizations of a certain political bend?  This is a serious thing, and 
>it is understandable that patriotic Americans would be upset at this 
>treasonous anti-Americanism.  You live here and reap the benefits of it.  
>Why not give a little back? 

> On 30 May 1995, Harvey H. Green wrote:

>> Dear Anonymous:
>> 
>> Given your silly babblings, I'm compelled to ask if you're receiving
>> appropriate professional care?
>> 
>> Whether you're a sick Jew or a sick Gentile pretending to be a Jew is
>> only significant to the extent that either way you're foundering in an
>> unreal world driven and dominated by malicious nonsense.
>> 
>> Help is available.
>> 
>> 
>> Why is it that when a Jew is honest and truth the Jewish
cult leaders attack him like their is no tomorrow. The ADL
is evil. They are behind most anti-Jewish attack because
anti-semitism is a big money maker. The ADL is a multi-billion 
dollar racket. There is a lot of money in hate, guilt, and fear
And the ADL is racking the BIG BUCKS in.This is the truth. The
sad thing is you know it is true. You are too big of a crook
to say so. No wonder so many people hate Jews. The ADL provokes it.



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cepetit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (C. E. Petit) wrote:

>billibek@ix.netcom.com (Billy Beck) writes:

>>garvin+@pitt.edu (Susan  Garvin) wrote:

>>>In article <3ujiu7$6s@crl.crl.com>,
>>>William R. Discipio Jr  wrote:

>>>#Does anti-Semitism exists among all so-called Patriots or just some?

>>>Your language problem has become laughable.  

>>	...to stop playing games and answer the bloody question, better than
>>DropDedTed did.

>>	It's actually a mission of intellect.  That's why I extended the
>>Dedline.


>Sure it is . . . if intellect means:

>--quoting people out of context (note that I have not edited the prior post
>at all; Mr. Beck did).

>--refusing to admit that anyone on "his" side of the argument ever makes
>any error of argument, whether that be factual ignorance, fallacy, or mere
>overstatement.

>--resorting to direct smears upon opponents rather than admitting that
>people sometimes disagree, and legitimately do so (that's why we actually
>vote in a democracy, you a**hole).

>--refusing to accept that labels do not make arguments (e.g., calling Ted
>Frank a liberal), especially when the labels in question are grossly
>inaccurate (Ted may be many things, such as in favor of some forms of gun
>control--but he is NOT a liberal).

>--presenting readings of the Constitution and other documents so contorted
>that even an ardent Baconist (those who believe that Shakespeare's works,
>in code, conceal the "fact" that Francis Bacon wrote all of Shakespeare)
>could not follow.

>If that's intellect, I think I'd better get some advice; I've been called
>an intellectual all my life, but I can't seem to do any of those things.
>But I don't need advice from you, Mr. Beck, unless you tone down your
>rhetoric and actually say something supported with noninvented facts that
>actually warrant the ultimate conclusion.  I seldom engage in ad hominem
>attacks, nor in ignoring an idea because of its source.  But Will Rogers
>clearly never met either you or your infantile arguments.
>-- 
>C.E. Petit   ** The NRA is clearly from an uncivilized culture, because it
>	     ** it is incapable of counting amendments greater than "two."
>	     ** Democrat (n.):  political officeseeker in only the first
>	     ** generation in family of providing nothing of value to society.

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discipio@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:

>Susan  Garvin (garvin+@pitt.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3ujiu7$6s@crl.crl.com>,
>: William R. Discipio Jr  wrote:
>: #Susan  Garvin (garvin+@pitt.edu) wrote:
>: #: In article ,
>: #: Ted Frank  wrote:
>: #: [everything else deleted]
>: #: >Remarkable that Rivero does not see the irony of generalizing his
>: #: >(perceptions of - I somehow doubt he's portraying her accuately)
>: #: >wife tFor

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tdp@ix.netcom.com (Tom Potter ) wrote:

>In  ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes: 

>>
>> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>> wrote:
>> 
>>	I have not seen Ted Frank apply the label "anti-Semitic"
>>	loosely or gratutiously.

>Then you are either blind or naivee.

>Ted Frank applied that term to me.

>I defy you, Ted or anyone else to find any person who thinks I am racist.

>Ted uses racism as a weapon. 
>People like him are dangerous to society.
>They build walls rather than bridges.
>Their actions bring about race division and wars.

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Subject: Anti-Semitism and Militias
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Eric_Florack@mc.xerox (Eric Florack) wrote:

>In article <3ud0ur$5n7@clarknet.clark.net>, voland@clark.net says...
>>
>>
>>You know, I have just visited the WWW page of the Storm Front... There is 
>>no clear anti-semitism, but those people are obviosly angry at sertain 
>>jewish organizations such as B'nai B'irth for sertain political liberal 
>>agenda they put on the politics. And I'l tell you --- it's big. They tend 
>>to defend all the liberal groops, including Gays an Lesbians, which have 
>>nothing to do with jewdaism, and they tend to through in mess all the 
>>conservatives, find some dirt and put it the press. I don' know why, but 
>>American Jewish population tends to be highly liberal, even though the 
>>people they are defending, are against jewdaism as religion, and any 
>>other consepts of morality. They tend to defend sertain groops which just 
>>does nto have enough self-respect to say "yes! We are equel to them! And 
>>if we don' want ourself been judjed by the color of our skin, we won't 
>>ask for special rights based on it."
>>
>>So, in some case, I have to agree with Storm Front.


>Ah. So, at last, even resident liberal Ted Frank is forced by logic to agree.
>There is hope for the world, after all.

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billibek@ix.netcom.com (Billy Beck) wrote:

>acbonin@quads.uchicago.edu (Adam Bonin) wrote:

>>In article <3uem02$1ok@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>>Billy Beck  wrote:
>>>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) wrote:
>>>
>>>>All of these organizations are typical of militias, have ties to many
>>>>other militias, and have not ever been disclaimed by other militias or,
>>>>to my knowledge, the JPFO.
>>>
>>>	Nice smear.
>>>
>>>	I know better.
>>>
>>>	There is no way to take you seriously.

>>Cute editing, Billy.

>	Shut the fuck up.  You're reading the whole thread, and you know
>what's going on.  There was nothing wrong with that edit, and you know
>it.

>>Tell me, do you have any evidence to contradict that
>>which Ted has said with regards to the ties between several militia groups
>>and anti-semitism?

>	I don't have to do that.  Look: I know people who are just as pissed
>off, well-armed, and steely-eyed as any "militia" you can name.  They
>are *not* anti-semites.  Nevertheless, they share many of the same
>righteous political objections that all these "militas" do, regardless
>of any particular "militia's" regard for Jews.  This *political*
>complexion is far too important to get sprayed from head to toe in
>Candy Apple Nazi.  Anybody who does that is being abjectly foolish at
>best, and not paying attention to the fact that militias are symptoms
>of something far bigger and more universal than just Benjamin Johnson
>on steroids.

>	At worst, they're trying to paint *me*, and I won't have that.

>	Now.  DropDedTed is the one with the spray can in his hands.  Go ask
>*him* what he's spraying.


>Billy

The ADL provokes anti-Jewish thought in order to send out fund
raisers that take in millions. A lot of money in creating
anti-semitism then fighting your own creation. This is
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Was some looking for the Turner Diaries earlier? GO to alt. White
Power or alt WHite nationalism. or email TomMezger@aol.com
There are better pro-White novels. I like the Cradle Song a lot
better. Camp of the Saints was good. Hunter was okay. Canidate for the
Order was to short. And there is a new one called Serpent something
or the other which is said to be real good, but I have not read
it yet



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Tim Masterson  wrote:

>--------------------------
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I like you for one reason and one reason only and it isn't even enough to 
>> > count... you like TMBG. You were half way okay in my book. No need to 
>> > slam Marcus, though. He's funny, let him be.
>> > -- 
>> > Teri, the Wicked WHITE Snow Witch (I'm still the SexNazi)
>> 
>> *Ahem* If I may quote from the Guys Named John:
>> 
>> I just can't tolerate this bobbin' and pretendin'
>> listenin' to some bullet-head & the madness that he's sayin'
>> ....
>> This is where the party ends
>> I can't stand here listening to you
>> and your racist friend
>> 
>> 
>> --They Might be Giants
>> 

>if i may quote two guys named john:

>I should be allowed to shoot my lip off
>I should have a call in show

>-TMBG

So what's wrong with having a White Homeland?



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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <3tseo7$2as@epaus.island.net> - kmcvay@epaus.island.net (Ken McVay) 
>writes:
>:>
>:>
>:>You see, Richard, Mr. Burdi _does_ have the brains of a neonazi, so
>:>that sort of doublespeak is quite familiar, and quite acceptable.
>:>
>:>Apparently, Mr. Burdi (a name he won't use on the net, perhaps because it is
>:>"too Italian" and "not Aryan enough" to impress the rubes) attended the Dan
>:>Gannon School of Aryan English....

>I thought the words "Aryan" and "English" were mutually exclusive, Ken?




>Gord McFee 
>"I'll write no line before its time"

Italy is an White nation moron. White and Aryan don't
mean the same thing. You are born White but Aryan is a
state of mind. It means noble or master as in teacher, not
slave master as you people claim. Aryan is a title of . 
honor. White is just something that happens at birth
honor 



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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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forman@ix.netcom.com (Frank Forman) wrote:

>In 
>cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) writes: 
>>
>>Some empires/kingdoms long since dead which miscegenated:
>>Sumerian/Assyrian, Vesdu (India I), Assyrian/Babylon (a brief
>resurgence),
>>Egypt, Phoenicia, Assyria, Babylon, Ayran (India II), Persian, Greek,
>>Roman, Spanish, Portuguese, Judea, Ottoman, Mayan, Aztec, Parthians,
>>Numidian, Toltec, Inkas, Scythian, Libyan and so forth. 
>>
>>Not familiar enough with the Asians, but they did also occur there.
>>
>>Colin.

>More details needed desperately! Just whom did all these people mix
>with? Which started Nordic and mixed downward (and with what?)? And
>which started non-Nordic and what did *they* mix with? Has any group
>ever made modest achievements, conquered people of superior groups,
>mixed with them, and gone on to even greater achievements?

>Frank
Does it matter if they created anything. The White Race dies
in the mixing and the dark race lives. The dark races don't
need death camps they have interacial dating to kill our people. 



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hadi@unixg.ubc.ca (mohammad hadi izadi) wrote:

>: Could somebody explain to me why monotheism is automatically considered
>: superior to polytheism?


>>>Simply because one is true and the other is not.

Simply because polytheism is true and monothesm is a weird
male sky cult created by gay monks who created a God in their
own homosexual image



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an266857@anon.penet.fi (Skarred) wrote:


>>Hello everybody.
>>
>>I am a Montreal University student in the field of myths,
>>folklore and beliefs. I am right now in Vienna for different
>>researches, one of them being on the occult roots of Nazism
>>and occult groups such as the Thule Gesellschaft (Dietrich
>>Eckart). I am also interested by Houston Stewart Chamberlain,
>>Alfred Rosenberg and all other related individuals known for
>>their involvement in anti-semitic and occult philosophy at
>>the time.
>>
>>If anybody has knowledge on those subjects, I would be glad
>>to discuss with you about it.
>>
>>For understandable ethical reasons, I wish to mention that
>>this request is purely made for academical purposes.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>B.H. Leblanc
>>Vienna Universty
>>Montreal University student

What do you need to know about the Aryan movement and neo-Paganism?




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Subject: Jewish skins?  Jewish Nazis!
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A Jewish skinhead is like the Jews who were guards in the
camps for the S.S. None of those Jews were racist either.They
wore the Nazi uniform for the same reason Jews, blacks, mexicans
etc. become skinheads today. They want to pass as Aryans. So
they dress up like Nazis. None of the Jews who worked as
camp guards and camp police were Nazi eithers



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Black skinheads are like black Klu Klux Klansman. The
blacks can say they were the first Klansmen, but so what?
What will it get them? Will they make the Klan repectable in the
eyes of the news media? Maybe. Will they get some Klans
to let them join. Maybe. But will they change the racist
roots of the Klan. HELL, NO!!! The same is with the skinhead
movement. All the anti-racist skins do is make the pro-racist skins
more powerful



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yu138584@afep.yorku.ca (Krzsztof Cyrkot) wrote:


>email TomMetzger@aol.com or write WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook
CA 92088 USA 



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discipio@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr) wrote:

>Susan  Garvin (garvin+@pitt.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3ujiu7$6s@crl.crl.com>,
>: William R. Discipio Jr  wrote:
>: #Susan  Garvin (garvin+@pitt.edu) wrote:
>: #: In article ,
>: #: Ted Frank  wrote:
>: #: [everything else deleted]
>: #: >Remarkable that Rivero does not see the irony of generalizing his
>: #: >(perceptions of - I somehow doubt he's portraying her accuately)
>: #: >wife tFor

For the real anti-Zioinist stuff email TomMetzger@aol.com or
write WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook, CA 92088 USA or call 1-619-728-9817



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If the Nazis kill 6 million, 6 billion, or no Jews, who cares
It just means that there are that many less assholes in the world
who hate the White Race. 



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"Joel N. Shurkin"  wrote:

>ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) wrote:
>> "Joel N. Shurkin"  writes:
>snip

><>
>><>	Excuse me for asking, but is anti-Semitism not generally
>><>	considered to be part of "factual information"?
>>
>>>>>>> 
>>	I'm confused;  is there anti-Semitism in the case at
>>	hand, or not?

>You certainly are confused. ADL correctly reported there are strong anti-Semitic elements in some militias, particularly in the Nort=
>hwest. That is true. Whether the militias raise a serious threat to Jews in general is another matter: they see it more of a threat =
>than I do, a matter of interpretation. Their stated facts, however, were corroborated. My research indicated that while anti-Semitis=
>m was a major philosophic raison d'etre for some militias, it was not for the majority, who are anti-government, anti-tax, anti-gun =
>control first and everything else second. ADL is paid to sound alarums and that's what they did.
>>
>snip 

>><>	 Again I ask the question: What action, if any, did the
>><>	national ADL take to chastise the San Francisco chapter,
>><>	which paid police officers  to provide them with information
>><>	on such "radical anti-Semitic" groups as the American Civil
>><>	Liberties Union?
>><>
>>
>>>
>>	This directly contradicts another posting by another
>>	presumed supporter of the ADL.

>See Naomi's response. They were acquitted.
>>
>>	It is not legal to  bribe police officers, for one thing,
>>	and doing so IMHO weakens the credibility of organizations
>>	that do so.

>They shouldn't have done it. It was a stupid thing to do. It has nothing to do with the credibility of their information. 
>>
>>	I am informed, albeit not very reliably, that ADL national
>>	office removed the persons in charge of the San Francisco
>>	office, for one thing.

>Who got bounced for what is still not clear. There was a shakeup in the office but I don't know the details. If doing something stup=
>id is grounds for firing, someone should have gotten fired.
>>
>>>
>>	Sarcasm; the SanFran chapter of A.D.L. was alleged to be
>>	keeping files on ACLU chapters/members;  one wonders why they would
>>	do that, unless said chapters/members were "radical anti-Semites"?

>I have no clue why they did that.
>>
>><>><>><>><>
>><>	If, per _Sullivan vs. NY Times_, the ADL can have grounds
>><>	to sue for libel, then so can the National Rifle Association;
>><>	an organization which more than one "journalist" overtly linked
>><>	with the OKC bombing in the last month...would Shurkin like
>><>	to clarify the above statement, hmm?
>>
>>>>> 
>>	 I suggest that Shurkin needs to review _Sullivan Vs. NY Times_
>>	again, and pay particular attention to the issue of what a
>>	"public figure" is.

>I know a great deal about Sullivan vs NYTimes. I teach it. I know what a public figure is and I know that even public figures can, u=
>nder certain circumstances, win suits for liable even under Sullivan vs. NYTimes. Accusing someone of a crime of moral turpitude (I =
>even have learned to spell that word) with malice or with a reckless disregard for the truth is still libel.
>>
>>	Since such columnists as  Carl Rowan are *not* being sued
>>	by NRA, it seems likely that NRA's attorneys understand
>>	_Sullivan_ better than Shurkin does.

>The NRA's attorneys understand the decision very well. Just like they understand why they shouldn't ask the courts to decide on thei=
>r interpretation of the Second Amendment. There are many reasons why people don't bring libel suits. One good one is that they don't=
> want to defend themselves in a trial and, since truth is an almost iron-clad defense against libel, that is what a libel trial turn=
>s into. If the NRA sued Rowan, Rowan's attorneys have the option of trying to prove his assertions are correct and the NRA would hav=
>e to prove they aren't. Who knows what Rowan's attorneys would come up with? Who knows what a jury would decide to believe? Second, =
>they are expensive. Even if you win, you sometimes lose. Virtually every large award against the media has been overturned in appeal=
>s court.
>>
>>
>>	By the way, is Shurkin stating that the NRA *is* linked
>>	to the OKC bomb? It certainly appears that he is so implying
>>	in the last sentence above; if so, I'd like to see proof.

>Shurkin never said any such thing. I said truth is a defense against libel and so it is in this country. It cuts both ways.

>Joel Shurkin
>>

The ADL had the charges dropped because the CIA didn't want the
press to know that they and the ADL were involved in South
American DEATH Squads. The ADL and CIA put pressure on the
courts and as always the courts caved in. 




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bd788@scn.org (Jon Arnold) wrote:


>this nation is being infested by nonhumans,degenerates,diseased criminals and other non white trash!
>we need a government for,by,and of white christians under the holy symbol of white people the SWASTIKA!

I am not a Christian, but I do believe in the White Race. If you
want info on race you can e-mail Tom Metzger of WAR at
TomMetzger@aol.com



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rose@teleport.com (Lucas Rose) wrote:

>In article <3uiddt$sqn@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, williamh@ix.netcom.com
>(William House ) wrote:

>> >Subject: Re: Jesus Is A Libertarian !!! (Was Re: What Is A Liberal?)
>> >Date: 10 Jul 1995 02:44:14 GMT

>William: Catch up with the thread. That was from nine days ago.

>Christ argued that the worship of money separates us from God.
>Christ argued that when we deny our wealth to others, we deny ourselves to
>Christ.
>Christ was against private property rights.
>Argue the spirit, not the letter, William. But *argue* it. Don't write
>prose about it. When you can prove to me that Christ advocated private
>property rights, I'll grant you that he was a libertarian.
>And where did Christ advocate consumption of drugs?

>Rose

>rose@teleport.com
>"A true revolution cannot go against religion in its totality. If a revolution succeeds, it does so normally as a cathartic renewal of religion itself." - Aloysius Pieris
Christ is a drag queen



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cdemmons@gate.net (Gypsy Joker) wrote:

>Andrew J. Testa (testa@starbase.neosoft.com) wrote:
>:  The entity known as Rajesh Gulati (rgulati@gmu.edu) posted:
>: * I hate them all

>: * Heil Hitler!

>: Hmmmm...    Aside from Sammy Davis Jr., who's already gone, how many Black
>: Jewish Homosexuals ARE there anyway?

>: Me, I personally hate One-Armed Belgian Hermaphrodytes.  But I got a reason.
>: They're ugly.


>Personall, I just *hate* all Frobnians, nothing personal....just doing my 
>job.

>			Down with Frobnia,
>President-for-Life of Frobnia Rev. Gypsy Joker KSC, IM, Earl of Fives
>Member of the Down With Frobnia Society, Frobnia's Most Influential 
>Secret Society (Whoops)



>: --
>:  /                      Xenu stole my lunch money                       \ 
>: / Andy Testa (KoX)                       I'm OT!  I could KILL you with  \
>: \ testa@hou.moc.com                      a thought!  BWAAAHHAAAAHAAAAAA! /
>:  \        Contributing to the downfall of Scientology since 1995.       /
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Black skinheads are like black Klu Klux Klansman. The
blacks can say they were the first Klansmen, but so what?
What will it get them? Will they make the Klan repectable in the
eyes of the news media? Maybe. Will they get some Klans
to let them join. Maybe. But will they change the racist
roots of the Klan. HELL, NO!!! The same is with the skinhead
movement. All the anti-racist skins do is make the pro-racist skins
more powerful

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