From wotan@netcom.com Mon Oct  2 14:23:32 PDT 1995
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hagst3+@pitt.edu (Herschel A Gelman) wrote:



:Herschel "Only Person On Usenet Not To Get 'The Long March'" Gelman  :)

Lucky you.

This is how i found out some old accounts were still active.  The
forward still worked.

--

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From wotan@netcom.com Mon Oct  2 14:23:34 PDT 1995
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dmjs@netcom.com (David M. J. Saslav) wrote:

:dont know (codered@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:: Did they E-Mail the world???
:
:It would sure seem so.  I've counted seven nationwide ISP's whose
:memberships apparently all got this note.  This could be a major news
:story... Is anyone trying to figure out how to answer the question
:"Who got this message and how?"
:

Better one:

Who didn't get a copy, and why?


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From wotan@cts.com Mon Oct  2 19:44:16 PDT 1995
Article: 3656 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) wrote:

>theraven (theraven@wco.com) wrote:

>: Please remove this tripe from alt.pagan.  I, for one, am very sick of
>: it.  It is extremely off topic, and no amount of twisting can force it
>: otherwise.


>Please refrane from further mocking my ancestral traditions by calling 
>yourself a "pagan". 

>-- 
>The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
>  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
>                 Change the tools and you change the rules.

Paganism is a White Racist movement, so get the fuck out of
my religion



From wotan@cts.com Mon Oct  2 19:47:17 PDT 1995
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jabowery@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) wrote:

>theraven (theraven@wco.com) wrote:

>: Please remove this tripe from alt.pagan.  I, for one, am very sick of
>: it.  It is extremely off topic, and no amount of twisting can force it
>: otherwise.


>Please refrane from further mocking my ancestral traditions by calling 
>yourself a "pagan". 

>-- 
>The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
>  The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
>                 Change the tools and you change the rules.

Paganism is a White Racist movement, so get the fuck out of
my religion



From wotan@netcom.com Fri Oct  6 13:28:52 PDT 1995
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From: wotan@netcom.com (Wotan)
Subject: Re: HENRY BUSTED - THE TRUTH
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jbyrd@tiac.net (Jim Byrd) wrote:

:tweek@netcom.com (R R M Tweek) wrote:
:
:>In article ,
:>Rick Sherwood  wrote:
:>>
:>>   I WAS ASKED BY VERA WALLACE TO POST THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE
:>>   WRITTEN BY HER.  SHE IS HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND
:>>   IS UNABLE TO POST RIGHT NOW.
:[cut]
:>>For those of you who are not familiar with the background of this
:>>situation, on April 1, 1995, a posting was sent to ars which
:
:April 1?  April 1??? Sounds like an April Fools joke to me!
:
:Or did Scientologists never hear of stupid jokes on April Fools day?
:
:
They didn't prove their case to the cops at the time (as seen by
Andrew Burt telling them to piss up a rope).


--

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rules.  However, the people who harp the loudest about "netiquette" are 
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.  
	-Timothy D Fay  wrote:




From wotan@netcom.com Fri Oct  6 13:28:54 PDT 1995
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tsalagi@netcom.com wrote:

:In article ,
:Gavin Scott  wrote:
:>Since most of the spammers seem to just post to every group in their
:>active files, has anyone ever thought of creating a group with a name
:>like alt.cancelme, any post to which would trigger one of the cancel-bots
:>to hunt down and destroy all articles from the same poster in all the
:>newsgroups in existance? :-)
:>
:>G.
:
:Many times.  That was the idea behind alt.0d, alt.-1d, etc.  (Catch all the
:newbies and spammers there, maybe they'd do less damage in other places).
:

Perhaps more providers should be convinced to add these groups to the
active files.

I have had three that didn't include any of the groups in alt.*d
catagorgy.


--

...So-called "netiquette" is a set of constantly-changing, self-imposed 
rules.  However, the people who harp the loudest about "netiquette" are 
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.  
	-Timothy D Fay  wrote:




From wotan@netcom.com Sat Oct  7 08:40:08 PDT 1995
Article: 6752 of alt.activism
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Legion wrote:



:Now that's an interesting little lie. Andrew does not give complainers 
:specifics such as, "he admitted that he had made the posting, but claimed 
:that someone else had added the line, [...]". So either you engaged in 
:illegal packet-sniffing to read private mail or you just made it up. 
:Which is it?

Sherwood lied.  If memory serves me correctly henry commented on this
and thanked Andrew for telling to go piss up a rope.  Although they
probably both used more polite terms.



:How many $cientologists did it take with it?

Not enough apparently.
:

:[several paragraphs about Henry's alleged criminal hacking past deleted]

Henry has a nice write up on him in some places.

:What does this have to do with anything? Is there a correlation between 
:hacking and bomb threats now? Or are you merely using the standard Co$ 
:tactic of character assassination?

Henry hacked the terrorists handbook?

:Oh, BTW, the Fishman papers are all over the net now. Good luck tracking 
:them all down .
:
:-Legion
:
:PS: May I be considered a "Supressive Person" now? Please? Fuckheads.

Yes.


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From Bugd@cris.com Sun Oct  8 07:38:51 PDT 1995
Article: 3942 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: wotan 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination,alt.activism
Subject: Million Man March
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 The Million Man March is in serious trouble.   The march  was 
 intended to send a  strong message of the economic importance 
 of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the 
 march.  The  reason   for  the  hold-up is  based   on  black 
 statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship 
 negotiations and infighting over leadership.
 
 There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
 range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
 justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
 or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
 
 And  the  following  statistics   prevail:  These   men  have 
 abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care 
 of  single  mothers,  mostly   teenage  dropouts   on  public 
 assistant. As 3% of the population,  they commit  approx. 45% 
 of the  violent felonies,  including about  75% of  all armed 
 robberies. At  least  20%  are  actively engaged  in illegal- 
 substance abuse.  About 47% have failed  to complete  HS (not 
 incl.  GED),  and those  that have  graduated usually  do not 
 posess the  reading and  math comprehension  commesurate with 
 the grade and require  race-normed entrance-requirements  and 
 remedial summer courses, to  enter college  (except all-black 
 colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable 
 due to lack of  basic skills  and education,  confrontational 
 attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc. 
 
 The question is daunting; in a million man march, the  number 
 of  dropouts,  felons, substance  abusers, and  deadbeat dads 
 would be staggering - at least a majority fit in two of these 
 catagories, if the march is representative of the  black male 
 population as a whole.  And a  brutal possibility:  The march 
 might not only fail  to show  any economic  effect, it  might 
 cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate 
 birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as  demand dips), 
 all  traceable  to  the  time frame  that 300,000+  perps got 
 togethah. 
 
 Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman  was a 
 jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an  anti-jew, the  mainstream 
 media might not be willing to whitewash acts  of violence  by 
 black marchers, as it  did throughout  its 1960's  propaganda 
 meant  to  bring about  Civil Rights,  which we  now know  as 
 reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey. 
 
 If the rally speakers go on an anti-white  tirade, the  media 
 will rationalize it with its contrived "balance", showing  70 
 year old newsreals of KKK marches  on DC  as the  retaliatory 
 justification. 
 
 But if they bash the jew, the media  will, for  a change,  be 
 honest  about  the  fraudulence  of  black  demands.  For  as 
 American blacks blame others for their own lack of will,  the 
 far more intelligent Asians  (per the  Bell Curve)  routinely 
 work their way into the upper-middle professional classes  in 
 two generations. 
 
 Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
 Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
 media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
 publicity disaster. Comments?
 


From Bugd@cris.com Sun Oct  8 07:42:46 PDT 1995
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From: wotan 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination,alt.activism
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 The Million Man March is in serious trouble.   The march  was 
 intended to send a  strong message of the economic importance 
 of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the 
 march.  The  reason   for  the  hold-up is  based   on  black 
 statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship 
 negotiations and infighting over leadership.
 
 There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
 range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
 justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
 or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
 
 And  the  following  statistics   prevail:  These   men  have 
 abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care 
 of  single  mothers,  mostly   teenage  dropouts   on  public 
 assistant. As 3% of the population,  they commit  approx. 45% 
 of the  violent felonies,  including about  75% of  all armed 
 robberies. At  least  20%  are  actively engaged  in illegal- 
 substance abuse.  About 47% have failed  to complete  HS (not 
 incl.  GED),  and those  that have  graduated usually  do not 
 posess the  reading and  math comprehension  commesurate with 
 the grade and require  race-normed entrance-requirements  and 
 remedial summer courses, to  enter college  (except all-black 
 colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable 
 due to lack of  basic skills  and education,  confrontational 
 attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc. 
 
 The question is daunting; in a million man march, the  number 
 of  dropouts,  felons, substance  abusers, and  deadbeat dads 
 would be staggering - at least a majority fit in two of these 
 catagories, if the march is representative of the  black male 
 population as a whole.  And a  brutal possibility:  The march 
 might not only fail  to show  any economic  effect, it  might 
 cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate 
 birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as  demand dips), 
 all  traceable  to  the  time frame  that 300,000+  perps got 
 togethah. 
 
 Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman  was a 
 jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an  anti-jew, the  mainstream 
 media might not be willing to whitewash acts  of violence  by 
 black marchers, as it  did throughout  its 1960's  propaganda 
 meant  to  bring about  Civil Rights,  which we  now know  as 
 reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey. 
 
 If the rally speakers go on an anti-white  tirade, the  media 
 will rationalize it with its contrived "balance", showing  70 
 year old newsreals of KKK marches  on DC  as the  retaliatory 
 justification. 
 
 But if they bash the jew, the media  will, for  a change,  be 
 honest  about  the  fraudulence  of  black  demands.  For  as 
 American blacks blame others for their own lack of will,  the 
 far more intelligent Asians  (per the  Bell Curve)  routinely 
 work their way into the upper-middle professional classes  in 
 two generations. 
 
 Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
 Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
 media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
 publicity disaster. Comments?
 


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 The Million Man March is in serious trouble.   The march  was 
 intended to send a  strong message of the economic importance 
 of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the 
 march.  The  reason   for  the  hold-up is  based   on  black 
 statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship 
 negotiations and infighting over leadership.
 
 There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
 range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
 justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
 or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
 
 And  the  following  statistics   prevail:  These   men  have 
 abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care 
 of  single  mothers,  mostly   teenage  dropouts   on  public 
 assistant. As 3% of the population,  they commit  approx. 45% 
 of the  violent felonies,  including about  75% of  all armed 
 robberies. At  least  20%  are  actively engaged  in illegal- 
 substance abuse.  About 47% have failed  to complete  HS (not 
 incl.  GED),  and those  that have  graduated usually  do not 
 posess the  reading and  math comprehension  commesurate with 
 the grade and require  race-normed entrance-requirements  and 
 remedial summer courses, to  enter college  (except all-black 
 colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable 
 due to lack of  basic skills  and education,  confrontational 
 attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc. 
 
 The question is daunting; in a million man march, the  number 
 of  dropouts,  felons, substance  abusers, and  deadbeat dads 
 would be staggering - at least a majority fit in two of these 
 catagories, if the march is representative of the  black male 
 population as a whole.  And a  brutal possibility:  The march 
 might not only fail  to show  any economic  effect, it  might 
 cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate 
 birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as  demand dips), 
 all  traceable  to  the  time frame  that 300,000+  perps got 
 togethah. 
 
 Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman  was a 
 jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an  anti-jew, the  mainstream 
 media might not be willing to whitewash acts  of violence  by 
 black marchers, as it  did throughout  its 1960's  propaganda 
 meant  to  bring about  Civil Rights,  which we  now know  as 
 reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey. 
 
 If the rally speakers go on an anti-white  tirade, the  media 
 will rationalize it with its contrived "balance", showing  70 
 year old newsreals of KKK marches  on DC  as the  retaliatory 
 justification. 
 
 But if they bash the jew, the media  will, for  a change,  be 
 honest  about  the  fraudulence  of  black  demands.  For  as 
 American blacks blame others for their own lack of will,  the 
 far more intelligent Asians  (per the  Bell Curve)  routinely 
 work their way into the upper-middle professional classes  in 
 two generations. 
 
 Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
 Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
 media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
 publicity disaster. Comments?
 


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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> 
> Are'nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your 
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I'm reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last 
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn't cry to the federal government. Rather, they 
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children's employment in its maintenance 
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are 
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping 
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants. 

> 
> > There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
> > range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
> > justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
> 
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men 
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
> 

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based 
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in 
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it 
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared 
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice 
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are 
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980's and early 
1990's than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It 
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack, 
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate 
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial 
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29 
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated 
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street 
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the 
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960's, 100,000s 
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies 
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my 
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed 
robberies "muggings", because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My 
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow 
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they? 

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than 
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the 
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for 
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic. 

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don't say "do your own homework", as you are the one
challenging.


> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal 
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
> 
> Civlized Man  
> 
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and 
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see 
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by 
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on 
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been 
the case.
The vast majority of "oppressed" blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north 
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks 
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these 
blacks' children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

 




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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
> 
> *  Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
> *  Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
> *  media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
> *  publicity disaster. Comments?
> 
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you're gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
> 
> Jeanne K.
> 
> 
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black 
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women's groups for planning 
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike 
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right. 



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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ's 
possible participation in the MMM):
   
> 
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn't whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You'd love it if it really happened, and you'd use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups. 
> 

I've never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 
> 
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling "white aryan" women? PULEEEZE. 

Cleaver's Soul on Ice?  OJ himself?  The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the "prize" of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and 
the past.

> 
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they're downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don't
> think so.

I don't portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don't blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
> 
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an "ambassador" to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
> 

I don't understand what you are saying here. I've not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960's that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.


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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> 
> Are'nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your 
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I'm reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last 
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn't cry to the federal government. Rather, they 
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children's employment in its maintenance 
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are 
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping 
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants. 

> 
> > There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
> > range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
> > justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
> 
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men 
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
> 

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based 
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in 
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it 
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared 
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice 
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are 
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980's and early 
1990's than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It 
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack, 
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate 
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial 
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29 
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated 
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street 
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the 
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960's, 100,000s 
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies 
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my 
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed 
robberies "muggings", because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My 
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow 
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they? 

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than 
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the 
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for 
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic. 

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don't say "do your own homework", as you are the one
challenging.


> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal 
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
> 
> Civlized Man  
> 
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and 
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see 
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by 
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on 
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been 
the case.
The vast majority of "oppressed" blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north 
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks 
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these 
blacks' children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

 




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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
> 
> *  Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
> *  Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
> *  media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
> *  publicity disaster. Comments?
> 
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you're gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
> 
> Jeanne K.
> 
> 
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black 
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women's groups for planning 
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike 
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right. 



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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ's 
possible participation in the MMM):
   
> 
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn't whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You'd love it if it really happened, and you'd use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups. 
> 

I've never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 
> 
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling "white aryan" women? PULEEEZE. 

Cleaver's Soul on Ice?  OJ himself?  The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the "prize" of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and 
the past.

> 
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they're downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don't
> think so.

I don't portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don't blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
> 
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an "ambassador" to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
> 

I don't understand what you are saying here. I've not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960's that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.


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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> 
> Are'nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your 
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I'm reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last 
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn't cry to the federal government. Rather, they 
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children's employment in its maintenance 
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are 
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping 
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants. 

> 
> > There are about 8  million black  men in  the US  in the  age 
> > range 20-55. Of these,  1 in  3 is  tied up  in the  criminal 
> > justice system - either in jail, on probation,  parole, bail, 
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants. 
> 
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men 
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
> 

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based 
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in 
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it 
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared 
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice 
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are 
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980's and early 
1990's than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It 
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack, 
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate 
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial 
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29 
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated 
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street 
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the 
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960's, 100,000s 
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies 
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my 
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed 
robberies "muggings", because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My 
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow 
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they? 

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than 
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the 
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for 
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic. 

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don't say "do your own homework", as you are the one
challenging.


> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal 
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
> 
> Civlized Man  
> 
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and 
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see 
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by 
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on 
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been 
the case.
The vast majority of "oppressed" blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north 
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks 
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these 
blacks' children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

 




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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
> 
> *  Furthermore, wildly-rumored  plans to  have OJ  Simpson as  a 
> *  Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause  the 
> *  media to shift focus from the goals of  the march  to OJ  - a 
> *  publicity disaster. Comments?
> 
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you're gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
> 
> Jeanne K.
> 
> 
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black 
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women's groups for planning 
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike 
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right. 



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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ's 
possible participation in the MMM):
   
> 
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn't whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You'd love it if it really happened, and you'd use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups. 
> 

I've never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I'm mistaken. 
> 
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling "white aryan" women? PULEEEZE. 

Cleaver's Soul on Ice?  OJ himself?  The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the "prize" of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and 
the past.

> 
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they're downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don't
> think so.

I don't portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don't blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
> 
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an "ambassador" to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
> 

I don't understand what you are saying here. I've not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960's that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.


From wotan@netcom.com Mon Oct 16 10:59:25 PDT 1995
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yliu2@csupomona.edu (ALT.NEWS) wrote:

: All British SUBJECT speak english ONLY!
: 
Do you know the problem with British youth?  Their parents speak
english and refuse to teach it to their young.


--

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bard@netcom.com (BARD) wrote:

nothing.  He just wants some more attention.

:In article , BARD  wrote:

If you must do this to yourself please have the decensy to close the
blinds first.


--

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rules.  However, the people who harp the loudest about "netiquette" are 
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.  
	-Timothy D Fay  wrote:




From wotan@cts.com Mon Oct 16 10:59:26 PDT 1995
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From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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artsdude@suba.com (Jerry Cargill) wrote:

>They called him "rabbi".  He went through the jewish sacraments.  He was not 
>just a jew but "the king of the jews".

I know. Why do you think most racist are anti-Christian



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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
(1990)

61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism
 
Source:
 
_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374




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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:

> > 
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
> >(1990)
> 
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> > 
> >Source:
> > 
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
> 
> 
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
> 
> 

Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray


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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
(1990)

61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism
 
Source:
 
_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374




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What will be the white riot?  Voting only for candidates who
promise to end affirmative action, forced integration of school
systems across township lines, and new federal housing meant to
destroy white suburbs by importing urban degredation.
 
Voting for those who will build big, CHEAP prison camps so that
rather than having just 1 of 3 black males between the ages of 19 
and 29 in the criminal justice system, we can have 1 of 2 in
lifelong incarceration and thus really lower crime rates!
 
Voting to cap welfare benefits at 2 dependants. Voting to end
federal aid to public hospitals and school systems in cities.
 
Voting to end all legal immigration, and toward militarization of
our borders and expulsion of illegals and their by-default legal
offspring, through a nationalization of CA. prop 187, to begin.
 
Voting for candidates for national office who'll appoint judges
who'll throw out so-called desegregation lawsuits by the NAACP
and similar groups, including those funded by the US taxpayer!
 
By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 "Civil
Rights" act _first_, the "litmus-test" for congressional election).
 
By boycotting those newspapers and networks that equate white
rights and nationhood with Nazism, while calling racial unity of
blacks "Civil rights" which in reality is the 30 year old permit
to occupy, then destroy, white neighborhoods and school systems.
 
Nobody can stop this "riot", if we start by voting for Pat Buchanan 
in the Republican primaries, and let him expose ADL-managed 
multiculturalism, the one-sided "racial tolerance" of the last 30 years,
for what it is: Despised and discredited a totalitarian ideology as
Soviet communism! 
 



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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> 
> > 
> >Nobody can stop this "riot", if we start by voting for Pat Buchanan 
> >in the Republican primaries, and let him expose ADL-managed 
> >multiculturalism, the one-sided "racial tolerance" of the last 30 years,
> >for what it is: Despised and discredited a totalitarian ideology as
> >Soviet communism! 
> > 
> 
> 
> You must be working for one of Buchanan's rivals.
> 
> 
> 
Please explain. Hasn't Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
Doesn't he represent a _moderating_ force for those who'd actually
prefer a race war, feeling that the republican system offers them no 
opportunity to address grievances concerning minority groups' effects
on their neighborhoods and schools?

Let's hear your cute answers now


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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> >Please explain. Hasn't Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
> >Doesn't he represent a _moderating_ force for those who'd actually
> >prefer a race war, feeling that the republican system offers them no 
> >opportunity to address grievances concerning minority groups' effects
> >on their neighborhoods and schools?
> >
> >Let's hear your cute answers now
> 
> 
> I don't have any "cute" answers.  However, I don't think a candidate
> for president is going to be elected if he runs on a platform
> that is blatantly racist.
> 
> 
Exposing the lie of diversity's benefit to our society, the 
one-sidedness to it as well, are not racist. They are racial.
For a definition of racism, read my post that answers that
question.


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 What_is_racism, ftp'ed from ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA

 
                          WHAT IS RACISM?                        
                         by Thomas Jackson
   {Originally Published in American Renaissance, Vol 2, No. 8}
 
     There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism"
in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other
kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more
reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales
of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most
spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable
texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off.        
For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reported
earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as
white students, it set off a booming, national controversy about
"racism." If the student had merely murdered someone he would
have attracted far less attention and criticism.
     Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities
are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it,
churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it,
but just what *is* racism?
     Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is
meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that
one's own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief
that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans
speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this.        
Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to
understanding what Americans *do* mean. A peculiarly American
meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are
equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have
been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and
anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong
but evil.
     The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly
important. If blacks, for example, are equal to whites in every
way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and
dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been
outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is
white racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone,
and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism.
Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state.      
     All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid
logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on
white wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden
territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today's whites can
find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday's
whites must have oppressed them. If whites do not consciously
oppress blacks, they must oppress them UNconsciously. If no
obviously racist individuals can be identified, then
*institutions* must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so
terribly in America, there simply must be millions of white
people we do not know about, who are working day and night to
keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no
room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some
fashion, an indictment of white people.
    The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are
required to believe that the only explanation for non-white
failure is white racism, every time a non-white is poor, commits
a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, white society stands
accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior
by non-whites is standing proof that white society is riddled
with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-whites fail
to succeed in life at exactly the same level as whites, whites
will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This
obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions.
First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed
almost exclusively by white people. Indeed, a black congressman
>from  Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of
Detroit, have argued that only white people *can* be racist.
Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State
Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which
she explained that *all* whites are racist and that *only* whites
can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained
without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?      
     Although some blacks and liberal whites concede that non-whites
can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-whites have
been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of white
oppression. What appears to be non-white racism is so
understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name.
Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race
of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by
whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The
reverse is also true.
     Examples of this sort of double standard are so common,
it is almost tedious to list them: When a white man kills a black
man and uses the word "nigger" while doing so, there is an 
enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast;
when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of
random whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991).
College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-whites as
"racist," but ignore scurrilous attacks on whites.
     At election time, if 60 percent of the white voters vote
for a white candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote
for the black opponent, it is white who are accused of racial
bias. There are 107 "historically black" colleges, whose
fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity,
but all historically white colleges must be forcibly integrated
in the name of... the same thing. To resist would be racist.     
     "Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but
anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride
is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world
immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in
their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to
learn English is racist.
     Blatant anti-white prejudice, in the form of affirmative
action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like
affirmative action, if practiced in favor of whites, would be
attacked as despicable favoritism.
     All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs
and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic
solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is
by definition racist. The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black
advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. The
National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)
campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to
be viciously racist.
     At a few college campuses, students opposed to
affirmative action have set up student unions for whites,
analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been
roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the white students
at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a
minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones
that non- whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed,
in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a white
enclave but whose members simply happen all to be white is
branded as racist.
     Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the
asymmetric quality of American racism is "celebration of
diversity." It has begun to dawn on a few people that "diversity"
is always achieved at the expense of whites (and sometimes men),
and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard
University be made more diverse by admitting whites, Hispanics,
or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University
in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having
non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black
Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the
Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a
lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them
to celebrate *homogeneity*. And yet any all-white group - a
company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood - is thought to
suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied
as quickly as possible. Only when whites have been reduced to a
minority has "diversity" been achieved.
      Let us put it bluntly: To "celebrate" or "embrace"
diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from
*deploring an excess of whites.* In fact, the entire nation is
thought to suffer from an excess of whites. Our current
immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90
percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-white. The
several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every
year are virtually all non-white. It would be racist not to be
grateful for this laudable contribution to "diversity."        
It is, of course, only white nations that are called upon to
practice this kind of "diversity." It is almost criminal to
imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant
dispossession of this kind.
     What if the United States were pouring its poorest,
least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could
anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being "culturally
enriched?" What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its
majority population to poor whites who demanded that schools be
taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of
July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't
citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and
schooling?
     Would Mexico - or any other non-white nation - tolerate
this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not.
Yet white Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of
Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless
cultural gift. They are supposed to "celebrate" their own loss
of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own
dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.   
     There is another curious asymmetry about American racism.
When non- whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever
accuses them of "hating" another group. Blacks can join "civil
rights" groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of
being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly
for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of
whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds
without anyone ever suggesting that they are "anti-white."       
    Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to
affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject
racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be
called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that
they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be
left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they
are irredeemably wicked and hateful.
     Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about
American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the
company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with
interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly
for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the
same time, *whites* must *also* champion the racial interests of
non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of
"diversity" and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to
encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European
people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in
the simplest possible terms, white people are cheerfully to
slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural
suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism.
     Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United
States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more
natural than to love one's people and to hope that it should
flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished
to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they
are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born
whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it
surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures,
their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark
indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great
nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand
over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why
should Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
     No, it is the white enterprise in the United States that
is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites
have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to
object to dispossession, much less to work for their own
interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant
people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its
wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into
thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its
heritage, and giving away to others its place in history.        
Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into
thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only
whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow
"hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of
their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men
love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not
mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial
family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish
to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial
and cultural destinies.
     What whites in America are being asked to do is
therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote
themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the
interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his
own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do
otherwise would be "racist."
     What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any
dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to
official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any
preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any
resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people.
It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any
of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined
nations since the beginning of history - but only so long as the
aspirations are those of whites.
 


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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> 
> from your original post that started this thread:
> 
> "By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 "Civil
> Rights" act _first_, the "litmus-test" for congressional election)."
> 
> How is this not blatantly racist?
>  

Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
considered racist?  They were in response to then-legal segregation, that
was racist. Whites today face racism, not nearly so obvious, but
nonetheless destructive. Reread the UNSPOKEN WAR and WHAT IS RACISM posts
to learn that there is state-sponsored and media-sponsored reverse
discrimination, white-nationhood censorship that voids any attempt at
whites formally uniting as Caucasian Americans the way blacks have united
as African Americans, and an onslaught of physical abuse that invariably
has racist motivation.

Also ftp the ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA for more files on this topic.
Note, I strongly disagree with some of that Identity site's 
philosophies, but that's the position whites are being forced, by 
exclusion from traditional channels of expressing discontent on their
future as another racial group, with rights as such.


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On 15 Oct 1995, John Atchley wrote:

> >> You must be working for one of Buchanan's rivals.
> >> 
> >Please explain. Hasn't Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
> 
> >Let's hear your cute answers now
> 
> Yep, I was right earlier.  You're either a liberal playing games or a so 
> called conservative who is not only racist, but dumber than a box of rocks as 
> well.  You're so inarticulate that I'm not even quite sure whether you think 
> you've just trapped "John Q." into a contradiction (you haven't) or whether 
> you just didn't get it when he said "you must be working for one of Buchanan's 
> rivals."
> 
> In case the latter is true; John Q's statement was meant to be a sarcastic 
> jab, "wotan."  As in, "By opening *your* mouth (figuratively) in support of 
> Pat Buchanan you demonstrate admirably why no thinking person should vote for 
> him."  Hence -- you must be working for Buchanan's rivals.
> 
> Has it occured to you that by being biggotted, extreme, and just plain stupid 
> in public the only ones who are going to believe what you have to say are the 
> already biggotted, extreme, and stupid?

You are making an invalid assumption that my white riot propoasals are
extreme, just plain stupid, or bigotted. How many are _already_ in
progress in one way or another, due to the Republican sweep of congress in
1994? And while the Repub congress may do some stupid things, it is hardly
considered bigotted or extreme.

 Hasn't Dinesh Desouza, in The End to Racism proposed overturning the
1965 Civil Rights Act?

 And in a republican system, should not the electorate voice it's ire at
the poll? If not there, where?  Thankfully, we do not have Beer Halls. 

Buchanan is _the_ candidate for the white disenfranchised, not the
well-off establishment golf-clubber. Can you itemize which of my white
riot proposals he would oppose, other than my spurious call for a boycott
of black contractors (which I admit was mean-spirited, to use a liberal
catchphrase)?

 Your sweeping dismissal of my proposals, with traditional ADL-style
labeling smacks of elitism, not populism. That's because you have not
substantively challenged a single item on the white riot agenda. 





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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> >
> >On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> from your original post that started this thread:
> >> 
> >> "By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> >> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> >> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 "Civil
> >> Rights" act _first_, the "litmus-test" for congressional election)."
> >> 
> >> How is this not blatantly racist?
> >>  
> >
> >Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
> >considered racist?  
> 
> By whom?

By the mainstream media in say, the Northeast US.


> We have a document, called the Constitution, which has consistently
> been used in an inclusionary manner, when it comes to individual
> rights.  Private citizens boycotting a place of business to achieve
> some end is legal.  Government agencies boycotting businesses,
> either white or black (or blue) is exclusionary, and is (or
> should be) illegal, and racist.


Up until a recent SC decision, racial set-asides for contractors did
permit the federal government to use race as a deciding factor in awarding
contracts, regardless of past contracting practice. The SC was right
in overturning the set-asides.

 With a change of the law, appointment of supportive Federal judges,
set-asides that demand 100% white-owed contractors are theoretically
possible. And while now I admit such a law would be unjust per se, just 
as the SC found minority set-asides improper unless direct redress, it is
by no means improbable if race relations continue on their current course;
thus my support for separatism to avoid this federal authoritarianism sown
by multiculturalism's endless tug of war . 



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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:

> > 
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
> >(1990)
> 
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> > 
> >Source:
> > 
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
> 
> 
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
> 
> 

Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray


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ball0030@sable.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Docherty) wrote:


:
: Putting the Great into Britain
:

Using a tactical nuke one hopes.
--

Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
	-- Leo Tolstoy



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ball0030@sable.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Docherty) wrote:


:
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Using a tactical nuke one hopes.
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do violence to the rest of us.
	-- Leo Tolstoy



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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
(1990)

61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism
 
Source:
 
_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374




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 European-   Americans,  caucasians,  are  perhaps 80%  of the
 population, but own closer to 95% of the privately held land,
 not to mention closer to 100% of the corporate properties, as
 shareholders. Thus, it is in our power to  do something  that
 is  in  our  best  interest:  Grant  a separate  homeland for
 African  Americans.   As about  11% of  the population,  they
 should  get  a single  land mass  mixed of  rural, urban  and
 surburban territory, probably on the east  coast, of  an area
 encompassing  11%  of  the  lower 48  states' land  mass.  It
 should be  an autonomous  country, ethnically  and culturally
 based, the way Ukraine is in  its independance  from Russia's
 Soviet empire. Like Rhodesia, European Americans in this  new
 black homeland will be  welcome as  visitors, to  provide the
 technical assistance in farming  and other  industries deemed
 worthy in  trade with  the US.   The federal  government will
 ensure   that   for  at   least  the   first  few   years,  a
 constitutional system of law enforcement and  government were
 maintained.  Corporate America, the multinationals, etc. will
 set up branch offices to provide basic consumer  and business
 goods.  Nevertheless, legalistics will be daunting.   Federal
 oversight   under   the   Voting   Rights  Act,   in  drawing
 congressional  district  lines  soley  based  on  race (until
 weakened  by  recent  SC  decision), allows  "in the  spirit"
 creation of a separate  black race  state.  A  constitutional
 amendment is still needed.  Then is  the question  of African
 Americans who refuse to settle in  a new  homeland, or  large
 numbers of European American landowners who  refuse to  leave
 it.  We could rely on the  concept of  eminent domain,  where
 government  can  sieze  real   property,  provided   that  it
 compensates owners with the fair market  value.  A  150% rate
 of  non-taxable  compensation might  accelerate the  process.
 Individual European-  American landowners  will receive  this
 on their property, and then be forced to relocate to  the US.
 African  Americans  will  receive  cash-credits  to  pay  for
 resettlement, redeemable only as residents in their new land.
 And getting  African Americans  to settle  will also  require
 enormous investment; as the  carrot, perhaps  $50 billion  to
 set  up  the  bureacracy   and  infrastructure,   matched  by
 corporations' initial  capital investment.   African American
 beneficiaries  of  affirmative  action  (which should  not be
 eliminated if we pursue this course)  will be  transferred to
 branch offices in the new land;  thus the  corporate role  of
 seeding. Black leaders in the US  will be  "bought off"  with
 promises  of  being the  administrators of  the resettlement,
 their  non-profit  organizations,  bled  with  perks   called
 "administrative   costs",   will  receive   sizeable  federal
 reimbursement for the propaganda  campaign and  relocating an
 amorphous,  unpredictable  underclass.  The  US Congressional
 Black Caucus will become the entire congress of the new  land
 as their US constituents relocate. The  time is  now, though,
 before the  SC decision  outlawing race-based  district lines
 has taken effect!  And first President, also a general, Colin
 Powell?!  The  stick  will  be  the  cascade  of  diminishing
 political power due to  diminishing black  population in  the
 US,  as  blacks relocate.   African American  prison inmates,
 parolees, and  those awaiting  trial will  be transferred  to
 freedom in the new  land, providing  its cultural  "soul", as
 seen in rap music and street sports, while ridding the  US of
 its urban scourge. This would satisfy their numerous children
 and  associates,  and  the  liberals who  feel black  men are
 unfairly persecuted by a U.S. of Mark Fuhrmans.
 The  main  barrier  to  this  effort  is  that   the  federal
 government is considered incompetent, if not  destructive, by
 most  European  Americans.  The  level of  oversight by  non-
 federal  entities  such  as   public  accounting   firms  and
 humanitarian organizations  will have  to be  great, if  this
 were to work.  Yet, the cost benefit analysis should be done,
 now.   Weigh  the  costs  of  paying   off  Jesse   Jackson's
 organization to keep him on board, McDonald's, IBM,  etc.  to
 build offices  and stores,  the white  landowners, the  black
 emigrants, with the costs  of keeping  20+ million  blacks in
 the  US  in  perpetuity  and  what  that  means  in  welfare,
 education, public housing, medicaid, and prison  costs.  Once
 all of the US's black population is settled in the  new land,
 the borders could be enforced and  US financial  aid steadily
 diminished, but blacks will  have finally  gotten the  Israel
 they need to fulfill a sense of purpose, and the  US will  be
 rid of, on balance, a parasitic class that posed a  political
 counter to  any white  nationalism and  cultural reawakening.
 In  the  US,  the  violent crime  rate will  drop to  that of
 Western Europe  before it  took in  N.  Africans  -  provided
 that we  repatriate our  mestizo population  -  a  far easier
 task without a congressional black caucus  to stymie  what it
 would perceive as racist legislation.
 Whites, as 70% of the electorate, can accomplish these goals,
 if  we  unite  as  whites,  not  squabble  as   democrats  or
 republicans.  But,  the question  lingers, would  not blacks'
 widespread  social  problems  of   illegitimacy,  drug   use,
 violence, government dependance, and  ignorance threaten  the
 neighboring US  with a  spillover of  bloodshed like  that of
 Haiti, Rwanda or merely South Central LA?  It  will be  up to
 blacks to answer that.   Hopefully, we  will have  a neighbor
 much more like Canada.   But sadly,  FBI statistics  question
 that outcome.
 


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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Brad A. Pierce wrote:

> "wotan", you little Nazi loser, why don't you use your real name?
> 
> All Nazis are cowards and losers. Nazis can't win on a level playing
> field, so they gang up on those they envy and pretend to be big men as
> they pummel a defenseless innocent with baseball bats. Violence is
> indeed the last resort of the incompetent.
> 
> What's your real name, coward?
> 
> -- Brad Pierce --                                  15/October/1995
> 

How does any of this taunting address the content of my POST?
How does a _Constitutional_ amendment to create separate race nations
fit in to the Nationalist Socialist ideology which you imply, without 
evidence, that I adhere to?


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 What_is_racism, ftp'ed from ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA

 
                          WHAT IS RACISM?                        
                         by Thomas Jackson
   {Originally Published in American Renaissance, Vol 2, No. 8}
 
     There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism"
in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other
kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more
reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales
of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most
spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable
texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off.        
For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reported
earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as
white students, it set off a booming, national controversy about
"racism." If the student had merely murdered someone he would
have attracted far less attention and criticism.
     Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities
are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it,
churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it,
but just what *is* racism?
     Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is
meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that
one's own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief
that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans
speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this.        
Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to
understanding what Americans *do* mean. A peculiarly American
meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are
equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have
been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and
anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong
but evil.
     The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly
important. If blacks, for example, are equal to whites in every
way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and
dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been
outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is
white racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone,
and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism.
Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state.      
     All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid
logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on
white wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden
territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today's whites can
find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday's
whites must have oppressed them. If whites do not consciously
oppress blacks, they must oppress them UNconsciously. If no
obviously racist individuals can be identified, then
*institutions* must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so
terribly in America, there simply must be millions of white
people we do not know about, who are working day and night to
keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no
room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some
fashion, an indictment of white people.
    The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are
required to believe that the only explanation for non-white
failure is white racism, every time a non-white is poor, commits
a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, white society stands
accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior
by non-whites is standing proof that white society is riddled
with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-whites fail
to succeed in life at exactly the same level as whites, whites
will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This
obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions.
First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed
almost exclusively by white people. Indeed, a black congressman
>from  Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of
Detroit, have argued that only white people *can* be racist.
Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State
Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which
she explained that *all* whites are racist and that *only* whites
can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained
without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?      
     Although some blacks and liberal whites concede that non-whites
can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-whites have
been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of white
oppression. What appears to be non-white racism is so
understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name.
Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race
of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by
whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The
reverse is also true.
     Examples of this sort of double standard are so common,
it is almost tedious to list them: When a white man kills a black
man and uses the word "nigger" while doing so, there is an 
enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast;
when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of
random whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991).
College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-whites as
"racist," but ignore scurrilous attacks on whites.
     At election time, if 60 percent of the white voters vote
for a white candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote
for the black opponent, it is white who are accused of racial
bias. There are 107 "historically black" colleges, whose
fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity,
but all historically white colleges must be forcibly integrated
in the name of... the same thing. To resist would be racist.     
     "Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but
anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride
is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world
immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in
their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to
learn English is racist.
     Blatant anti-white prejudice, in the form of affirmative
action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like
affirmative action, if practiced in favor of whites, would be
attacked as despicable favoritism.
     All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs
and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic
solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is
by definition racist. The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black
advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. The
National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)
campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to
be viciously racist.
     At a few college campuses, students opposed to
affirmative action have set up student unions for whites,
analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been
roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the white students
at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a
minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones
that non- whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed,
in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a white
enclave but whose members simply happen all to be white is
branded as racist.
     Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the
asymmetric quality of American racism is "celebration of
diversity." It has begun to dawn on a few people that "diversity"
is always achieved at the expense of whites (and sometimes men),
and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard
University be made more diverse by admitting whites, Hispanics,
or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University
in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having
non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black
Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the
Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a
lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them
to celebrate *homogeneity*. And yet any all-white group - a
company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood - is thought to
suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied
as quickly as possible. Only when whites have been reduced to a
minority has "diversity" been achieved.
      Let us put it bluntly: To "celebrate" or "embrace"
diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from
*deploring an excess of whites.* In fact, the entire nation is
thought to suffer from an excess of whites. Our current
immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90
percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-white. The
several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every
year are virtually all non-white. It would be racist not to be
grateful for this laudable contribution to "diversity."        
It is, of course, only white nations that are called upon to
practice this kind of "diversity." It is almost criminal to
imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant
dispossession of this kind.
     What if the United States were pouring its poorest,
least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could
anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being "culturally
enriched?" What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its
majority population to poor whites who demanded that schools be
taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of
July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't
citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and
schooling?
     Would Mexico - or any other non-white nation - tolerate
this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not.
Yet white Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of
Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless
cultural gift. They are supposed to "celebrate" their own loss
of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own
dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.   
     There is another curious asymmetry about American racism.
When non- whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever
accuses them of "hating" another group. Blacks can join "civil
rights" groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of
being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly
for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of
whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds
without anyone ever suggesting that they are "anti-white."       
    Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to
affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject
racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be
called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that
they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be
left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they
are irredeemably wicked and hateful.
     Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about
American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the
company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with
interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly
for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the
same time, *whites* must *also* champion the racial interests of
non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of
"diversity" and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to
encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European
people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in
the simplest possible terms, white people are cheerfully to
slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural
suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism.
     Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United
States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more
natural than to love one's people and to hope that it should
flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished
to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they
are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born
whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it
surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures,
their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark
indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great
nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand
over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why
should Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
     No, it is the white enterprise in the United States that
is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites
have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to
object to dispossession, much less to work for their own
interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant
people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its
wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into
thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its
heritage, and giving away to others its place in history.        
Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into
thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only
whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow
"hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of
their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men
love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not
mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial
family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish
to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial
and cultural destinies.
     What whites in America are being asked to do is
therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote
themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the
interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his
own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do
otherwise would be "racist."
     What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any
dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to
official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any
preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any
resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people.
It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any
of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined
nations since the beginning of history - but only so long as the
aspirations are those of whites.
 


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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> 
> from your original post that started this thread:
> 
> "By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 "Civil
> Rights" act _first_, the "litmus-test" for congressional election)."
> 
> How is this not blatantly racist?
>  

Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
considered racist?  They were in response to then-legal segregation, that
was racist. Whites today face racism, not nearly so obvious, but
nonetheless destructive. Reread the UNSPOKEN WAR and WHAT IS RACISM posts
to learn that there is state-sponsored and media-sponsored reverse
discrimination, white-nationhood censorship that voids any attempt at
whites formally uniting as Caucasian Americans the way blacks have united
as African Americans, and an onslaught of physical abuse that invariably
has racist motivation.

Also ftp the ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA for more files on this topic.
Note, I strongly disagree with some of that Identity site's 
philosophies, but that's the position whites are being forced, by 
exclusion from traditional channels of expressing discontent on their
future as another racial group, with rights as such.


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On 15 Oct 1995, John Atchley wrote:

> >> You must be working for one of Buchanan's rivals.
> >> 
> >Please explain. Hasn't Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
> 
> >Let's hear your cute answers now
> 
> Yep, I was right earlier.  You're either a liberal playing games or a so 
> called conservative who is not only racist, but dumber than a box of rocks as 
> well.  You're so inarticulate that I'm not even quite sure whether you think 
> you've just trapped "John Q." into a contradiction (you haven't) or whether 
> you just didn't get it when he said "you must be working for one of Buchanan's 
> rivals."
> 
> In case the latter is true; John Q's statement was meant to be a sarcastic 
> jab, "wotan."  As in, "By opening *your* mouth (figuratively) in support of 
> Pat Buchanan you demonstrate admirably why no thinking person should vote for 
> him."  Hence -- you must be working for Buchanan's rivals.
> 
> Has it occured to you that by being biggotted, extreme, and just plain stupid 
> in public the only ones who are going to believe what you have to say are the 
> already biggotted, extreme, and stupid?

You are making an invalid assumption that my white riot propoasals are
extreme, just plain stupid, or bigotted. How many are _already_ in
progress in one way or another, due to the Republican sweep of congress in
1994? And while the Repub congress may do some stupid things, it is hardly
considered bigotted or extreme.

 Hasn't Dinesh Desouza, in The End to Racism proposed overturning the
1965 Civil Rights Act?

 And in a republican system, should not the electorate voice it's ire at
the poll? If not there, where?  Thankfully, we do not have Beer Halls. 

Buchanan is _the_ candidate for the white disenfranchised, not the
well-off establishment golf-clubber. Can you itemize which of my white
riot proposals he would oppose, other than my spurious call for a boycott
of black contractors (which I admit was mean-spirited, to use a liberal
catchphrase)?

 Your sweeping dismissal of my proposals, with traditional ADL-style
labeling smacks of elitism, not populism. That's because you have not
substantively challenged a single item on the white riot agenda. 





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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> wotan  wrote:
> >
> >On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> from your original post that started this thread:
> >> 
> >> "By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> >> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> >> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 "Civil
> >> Rights" act _first_, the "litmus-test" for congressional election)."
> >> 
> >> How is this not blatantly racist?
> >>  
> >
> >Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
> >considered racist?  
> 
> By whom?

By the mainstream media in say, the Northeast US.


> We have a document, called the Constitution, which has consistently
> been used in an inclusionary manner, when it comes to individual
> rights.  Private citizens boycotting a place of business to achieve
> some end is legal.  Government agencies boycotting businesses,
> either white or black (or blue) is exclusionary, and is (or
> should be) illegal, and racist.


Up until a recent SC decision, racial set-asides for contractors did
permit the federal government to use race as a deciding factor in awarding
contracts, regardless of past contracting practice. The SC was right
in overturning the set-asides.

 With a change of the law, appointment of supportive Federal judges,
set-asides that demand 100% white-owed contractors are theoretically
possible. And while now I admit such a law would be unjust per se, just 
as the SC found minority set-asides improper unless direct redress, it is
by no means improbable if race relations continue on their current course;
thus my support for separatism to avoid this federal authoritarianism sown
by multiculturalism's endless tug of war . 



From Bugd@cris.com Mon Oct 16 11:54:00 PDT 1995
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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:

> > 
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
> >(1990)
> 
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> > 
> >Source:
> > 
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
> 
> 
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
> 
> 

Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray


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On 15 Oct 1995, Terry Canaan wrote:

> :  Whites, as 70% of the electorate, can accomplish these goals,
> :  if  we  unite  as  whites,  not  squabble  as   democrats  or
> :  republicans.  But,  the question  lingers, would  not blacks'
> :  widespread  social  problems  of   illegitimacy,  drug   use,
> :  violence, government dependance, and  ignorance threaten  the
> :  neighboring US  with a  spillover of  bloodshed like  that of
> :  Haiti, Rwanda or merely South Central LA?  It  will be  up to
> :  blacks to answer that.   Hopefully, we  will have  a neighbor
> :  much more like Canada.   But sadly,  FBI statistics  question
> :  that outcome.
> :  
> I only quoted part of this post because you needn't quote it in its 
> entirety to represent it's insanity. Does the poster actually believe 
> that segregation of this level will ever be seen as anything but 
> ludicrous by his 70% of the voting public? Why not just round up all 
> minorities (after all, why stop with blacks?) and shove 'em all into 
> 'detainment centers'?
> 
> 

Wouldn't forced racial integration have seemed utterly ludicrous to 70% of
the voting public in say, 1948? The same public that had fought against
the race-based tyranny of Nazism? Yes, and without hypocracy. Americans
WANT to live ,work, learn, worship and play in communities where the
people are like them; we readily accept the economic class divisions in
such arrangements, but why not the racial, when the cultural differences
associated with race are even more profound? 

My solution is Constitutional; yours is Nazi 'detainment centers'; the 
left can barely contain its own jack boot fantasies.


From wotan@netcom.com Fri Oct 20 11:11:04 PDT 1995
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In article <45uill$nri@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>,
Jeffrey A. Clark  wrote:
>In article , wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) wrote:
>>yliu2@csupomona.edu (ALT.NEWS) wrote:
>>
>>: All British SUBJECT speak english ONLY!
>>: 
>>Do you know the problem with British youth?  Their parents speak
>>english and refuse to teach it to their young.
>>
>>
>Careful there, "Tex"....

GFY.  Ah aint no stinkin texan.

Although you did get the right country.

-- 
The price of seeking to force our beliefs on others is that someday
they might force their beliefs on us.
		-- Mario Cuomo


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n9s6m@netcom.com (Lordy Lordy) wrote:

>Philip Kirschner (philk@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>: Tom Metzger, is a serious want to be. He is so far from the church it's
>: pathetic. He call's himself a chirstian. He need's to start listening
>: to the pope and learn what he is doing.

>Metzger is actually part Jewish.  He's been hiding this.  But there are 
>some people wh know.  

Damn right brother. The K.K.K. is a A.D.L. front group



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n9s6m@netcom.com (Lordy Lordy) wrote:

>Philip Kirschner (philk@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>: Tom Metzger, is a serious want to be. He is so far from the church it's
>: pathetic. He call's himself a chirstian. He need's to start listening
>: to the pope and learn what he is doing.

>Metzger is actually part Jewish.  He's been hiding this.  But there are 
>some people wh know.  

Damn right brother. The K.K.K. is a A.D.L. front group



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lawdie@iol.ie (Les) wrote:


:
:We found American's very ignorant when we were on holidays this
:summer.  We visited Nashville and New York and one was as bad as the
:other.


New York State or Just New York City?  Two different things.

And we all know residents of NYC are a lower form of life.  And you
expected intelligence from residents of redneck land?


And you really shouldn't complain about ignorance when you write like
the rest of us do.


--

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do violence to the rest of us.
	-- Leo Tolstoy



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Melody Clark  wrote:

:Dear Andrew and similarly-inclined gents:
:
:This is soc.culture.usa...

Uhm, your mistaken.  This is aus.flame.usa  If you wanted to change
where you read this thread you would probably have changed your
newsgroups line.

:this is not alt.nuke.the.usa.  

They be here too.

:You may hold 
:your Flame-Throwing, Alpha Male, pissing contests as you will, 

Don't recall asking for your permission, but thanks all the same.

:but kindly 
:leave the REST OF US OUT OF THIS?  

You want us to leave you alone, or no?  Make up your mind Melody. Aint
this just like a woman?
:
:I'm not about to ascribe your idiocy to your nationality...

What is it due to then?

:that's 
:cretin's logic.  

Ahh, cretinism.  

:I will, however, suggest it somewhat contrary to manners 
:to criticize another culture because it isn't like yours.  

Makes life kind of dull, don't it?

:My apologies to the good folk on the other newsgroups whom they've 
:invaded...I'm letting the cross-post ride to make certain all the flamers 
:will see it.  

Could have tried a follow-ups line if you didn't want to see
responces.

:Melody...small person born on that piece of real estate commonly called 
:the "USA"
:
And mislabled.  
--

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do violence to the rest of us.
	-- Leo Tolstoy



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On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Berman James Watts wrote:

> 
> 
> On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:
> 
> > In  wotan  writes:
> > 
> > > 
> > >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
> > >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
> > >(1990)
> > 
> > >61% of all Robbery
> > >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> > >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> > >44% of all Rape
> > >40% of all Drug Violations
> > >39% of all Prostitution
> > >38% of all Motor Theft
> > >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> > >32% of all Embezzlement
> > >30% of all Domestic Violence
> > >22% of all Vandalism
> > > 
> > >Source:
> > > 
> > >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> > >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
> > 
> > 
> > do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
> > 
> > 
>    The page numbers might be of use in an accurate citation.
> 

The source of the statistics was the 1990 FBI Uniform Crime Report, I 
believe. 

>   Transparent fallacy seems evident:
> 
> Embezzlement- Really? Blacks although still largely relegated to 
> lower work positions beat whites at white collar crime? One Milliken
> equates to millions of shortchanged burger buyers.
> 

Clerks, warehousemen, delivery service employees can and do commit
fraud; this is by the nature of the employment, where employees handle 
yet unrecorded cash and or merchandise, and have access to credit card
and commercial account numbers. 

> As for drugs- survey has shown whites use more but get arrested less.
> Could this be true of other "crimes"? Who investigates, enforces and 
> judges the law?

Can you site the statistic and source on white drug use?

> 
> In any event at the present rate, an absolute majority of black males 
> will be in prison by 2010. Already.  One of three is under supervision of 
> the justice system and in some cities the figure is 1 in 2. Why did such 
> criminal behaviour await the 1980's and after to become epidemic? If the 
> criminal bias was alwaus present or freed by the Civil Rights movement of 
> the 60's it should have erupted then. No , the discovery of crime in 
> blacks as an excuse for repression had to await those wlling to use 
> racial suppression as a political tool. Such "subtle" racial demagogeury
> is hardly original but quite traditional.Such prior excuse is now 
> admitted by virtually all as the transparent deceit it was even then.
> 

You are saying that the Civil Rights movement allowed the discovery of
black crime, and thus an excuse for increased incarceration of blacks.
That sounds like revisionist history to me. The violent crime rates
accelerated in the late 1960's, coinciding with the civil rights laws of
that period that essentially hamstrung police from conducting preemptive
busts on drug traffickers, convenience store robbers, etc, where the
suspect was not given a chance to commit the crime, but was harrassed (or
was it hassled? :) by the police based on a suspect profile. The reason
for this legislation (under federal law) was to stop police trampling on
civil liberties of those who had not yet been charged with committing a
crime. What it did was reduce the police role to investigating crimes
after they were committed, not stopping them beforehand; hence the rise in
drug trafficking in black communities at that time.  

This was coupled with the media and academia assault on European-American
culture and history that provided an implied acceptance of retribution by
blacks for hundreds of years of so-called oppression. This hateful idea
was legislated in the form of racial set-asides, literal quotas, in
awarding government contracts and accepting students to federally-endowed
universities, as well as numerous consent-decrees upon local fire
departments, school districts, etc., imposing blatant reverse
discrimination. Hateful because the victims of this reverse discrimination
were usually not in any way responsible for overt discrimination that may
(or may not) have occurred in the past at the particular institution
or in the particular industry. Any complaint by European-Americans was
and is dismissed as racist. 

 Naturally, whites fled from urban blacks who were by now abusing and
brutalizing themselves with drugs and violent crime far more rapidly than
whites had persecuted blacks during the century's history of lynchings and
unjustified imprisonments. These whites took businesses and the tax base
with them, leaving cities without a steady source of blue-collar
employment, particularly in light manufacturing.  In the mid-1980's, crack
cocaine was introduced to these areas, now controlled by heavily armed,
ignorant gang warlords with members who felt there was no legitimate
opportunities to make the kind of money drug dealing offered. Crack's
shocking ability to cause rapid, almost immediate addiction, and fits of
rage during withdrawl, resulted in the passage of harsh drug laws, some
federal, that have led to massive incarceration of black males who traffic
or use crack cocaine, many of whom belonged to those gangs. 



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On 15 Oct 1995, BTurco wrote:

> Lies , Damn Lies and Statistics. Do you really think these tell us the
> whole story? All races must look past numbers to each others pain, and
> deal with it from a standpoint of love of our country and compassion
> toward our fellow citizens of all races. 
> 
> 
Your last sentence is pure Bill Clinton. Thanx.


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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, A. E. Siegman wrote:

> >  >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and 
> >  >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for...
> >  >(1990)
> >  
> >  >61% of all Robbery
> >  >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >  >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >  >44% of all Rape
> >  >40% of all Drug Violations
> >  >39% of all Prostitution
> >  >38% of all Motor Theft
> >  >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >  >32% of all Embezzlement
> >  >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >  >22% of all Vandalism
> 
>    This must be for _reported_ or _arrested_ or _convicted_ crimes of each
> type, must it not?  In other words, one can't be totally sure, the
> _actual_ statistics may be somewhat different because of differential
> arrest or reporting rates between the two groups, right?
> 
> 

Any differential of arrest and conviction would likely benefit urban
criminals, due to the workload pressures on urban criminal justice
systems, which make long police investigations unlikely and encourage
plea-bargaining to lesser offenses.  Of course, the criminal must first be
located in the tangle of urban crack houses and SRO transient housing. The
opposite is true for rural areas, where the number of police, judges,
prosecutors and prison cells per capita are much greater, and the criminal
infrastructure (abandoned buildings, subway systems) is lacking. 



From wotan@cts.com Sun Oct 22 12:21:53 PDT 1995
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I'm glad to share my fantasies.  I think it's important as a Nazi to be 
in touch with one's sensual and feminine side:  it's very noble for a 
man to express his true feelings, and there's nothing wrong with 
expressing love for another man.

I think it's important for White Aryan men to get to know the 
genetically perfect contours of each others' bodies.  That's why the 
Fuehrer recommended exercising in the gym in the nude.




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On 21 Oct 1995, Wyatt Kaldenberg wrote:

> 
> I think it's important for White Aryan men to get to know the 
> genetically perfect contours of each others' bodies.  That's why the 
> Fuehrer recommended exercising in the gym in the nude.
> 

Are you out of your mind?


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newspaper or call the Aryan Update 1-619-723-8996 for a radical
White Racist phone message. 14/88 Support the White Workers' 
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 -=> Quoting ShingiraRe: "Colored People" andhingira.demon.c to All <=-
 
 >> > 
 >> >End the job and economic discrimination in "white societies" and then  
 >> >you might have a "just" situation.
 >>
 >> Why is it that a black African would have trouble being accepted as
 >> competent but a black Indian (from India) would not?  Is it possibly
 >> because black Indians don't expect rejection of their competence and
 >> so are not rejected while black Africans enter a situation expecting
 >> to be rejected and, all else being neutral, this causes their
 >> rejection?  Black African children are taught from the time they learn
 >> to walk that whites won't accept them and to distrust whitey.  Could
 >> this possibly have an effect on their future acceptance?  Do you think
 >> it might?
 >> 
 
 
 
 > Basically, the reason is that "white society" would still love slavery
 > days to exist and get fat off the blood, sweat and tears of Africans
 > and African-Americans.  Asians on the other hand, while having been
 > colonised for a period by "Europeans" have never been systematically
 > exploited in the way Africans have been.  Don't forget that in order to
 > justify slavery, "white society" sought to de-humanise the African and
 > detach us from our history, et al.  There was no such campaign against
 > Asians. 
 
 It is obvious that you made up this nonsense yourself.  There are 
 no  reputable  studies that  support your  stated reasons  on why 
 black professionals are supposedly not getting hired  while dark- 
 skinned Indians are.  BTW, what is the unemplyment  rate of  say, 
 black CPAs?  It seems to me that with  affirmative action,  black 
 professionals  have  likely had  a lower  unemployment rate  than 
 comparably qualified whites.  What  are your  statistics on  that 
 disparity?
 
 If  anything,  a desire  for reinslavement  would mean  more, not 
 fewer, blacks being hired, but for  wages that  whites would  not 
 want to work for; in other  words, labor  exploitation.  BTW,  in 
 computer programming, such exploitation is occuring, with Russian 
 and asian immigrants working for salaries that white  entry-level 
 programmers used to balk at.
 
 Sh> To cut a long story short, "white societies" still try to relate to
 Sh> Africans  and African-Americans in the old tradition of "degrade and
 Sh> exploit". 
 Sh> Refute that, my boy.
 
 You do not exploit whom you  do not  employ. Conversely,  has the 
 Association  of  Black  Accountants  held protests  because black 
 accountants  are  paid  less,  or  hired  less often,  than white 
 accountants? What  about in  other professions?   Name ONE  where 
 such  protest  has  occured   recently.
 
 THe problem is not discrimination against the relative handful of 
 black professionals, but the  vast number  of arrogant,  ignorant 
 black young adults who read at  7th grade  level, cannot  do long 
 division, and yet expect to be made executives  after  two  years
 of Afro-American studies  or some  such idiocy  at open-admission 
 community colleges.
 
 
 


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In article <46p104$nrb@felix.seas.gwu.edu>,
Kevin M. Hebert  wrote:

>You're misquoting

keegan?



-- 
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pz@imb.imb.uh.edu (Outline) excreted:

:In article , 
:wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) wrote:
:>In article <46leb2$apa@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>,   wrote:
:>>In <46juf8$lde@felix.seas.gwu.edu>, kmhebert@seas.gwu.edu (Kevin M. Hebert) writes:
:>>>In article <46hjj5$1ek@homer.taynet.co.uk>, Linz  wrote:
:>>>>I'm dreadfully sorry to have to be the one who tells you this, but
:>>>>contrary to your history books, the war started in 1939.
:>>>I don't discount the efforts of the British, or any of the Allies,
:>>>yet without American intervention in the war, ALL of Europe (and perhaps
:>>>Asia, Africa, and even eventually the Americas) would not only be speaking
:>>>German, but would be slaves to Naziism. It's the absolute worst case
:>>>scenario.
:>>WRONG... Thanks for playing...
:>>Hitlers armies were broken on the steps of Russia. All of Europe
:>>would now be speaking Russian.
:>>
:
:>BZZT!
:
:>Thanks for palying.
:
:>Without US food, clothing, aid, armor, planes, weapons, shipping, etc the 
:>german army would have waltzed through Russia long before the first 
:>winter came.
:
:Are you saying that our aid to the Germans was so poor in quality that
:the Germans lost because of it?  That's a novel approach to WWII
:history.  I don't think I've ever heard it before.
:
:Makes sense though.

Only Zanca could get confused here.  The discussion is focused on
Russia stopping the Germans, so i must be talking aobut Aid to the
germans.

BTW fuckwit, US companies helped arm and supply the Third Reich until
Roosevelt intervened in the very late 30's.



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snikpoh@ibm.net wrote:

:In , wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) writes:
:>In article <46leb2$apa@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>,   wrote:
:>>
:>>WRONG... Thanks for playing...
:>>Hitlers armies were broken on the steps of Russia. All of Europe
:>>would now be speaking Russian.
:>>
:>
:>BZZT!
:>
:>Thanks for palying.
:>
:>Without US food, clothing, aid, armor, planes, weapons, shipping, etc the
:>german army would have waltzed through Russia long before the first
:>winter came.
:
:OK... How many successful invasions of Russia have there been ?

A. None.

Now read your history carefully - even the MASSIVE inflow of supplies
to Russia did not stop the Germans.  It only slowed them long enough
to let fighting extend into winter.  

A combination of things then occurred - but the fact is, without the
supplies given by the US, the Germans would have waltzed through
Russia in less than a year and linked with the Japanese.


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lindsay@taynet.co.uk (Linz) wrote:

:wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) wrote:
:
:>>>Linz  wrote:
:>>>I'm dreadfully sorry to have to be the one who tells you this, but
:>>>contrary to your history books, the war started in 1939.
:
:>It did?  I could have sworn the Japanese started much earlier than this.  
:>Come to think of it, i thought the same of the Italians as well.
:
:*Real* history lesson - Part I
:
:04.30, Friday 1st Sept 1939 - Germany invades Poland
:09.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 - Britain delivers ultimatum to Germany
:11.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 - Britain declares war on Germany
:12.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 - France delivers ultimatum to Germany
:17.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 - France declares war on Germany
:
:Therefore I would conclude that war started in 1939

Your conclusion would be wrong.  Europe doth not a world make.

:>School texts must have been wrong.
:
:Ahhh.  A light appears at the end of the tunnel.
:
:As I have previously posted.  Forget your school text books.
:Go out and get yourself an imported account of _real_ history.
:


See you deleted my references to the fact that the Japanese actually
invaded China and Korea in the twenties.  Starting the Asian part of
WWII.  

And you conveinantly forgot the little factor of Italy's invasion of
Africa just a little bit sooner than Poland was invaded.  Fighting
went on for a couple of years before the Germans got involved.

here's a clue:  Germany, Britan, france, and Poland did not start
WWII.  It just brought the ball out into the publics eye.


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White Power. Paganism is the heart of the White Racist
movement!



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 White Power is a pagan movement



From wotan@cts.com Tue Oct 31 17:08:18 PST 1995
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Satan is a cool dude! He would join the S.S. if he were
real. White Power is more evil and anti-social than
anything around. Goths should like the S.S. you can 
wear black and death skull pins too. Cool!



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:

>In article <474qrq$ov3@news2.cts.com>, wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:



>Waiter! This cookie doesn't have a fortune in it!

This is why I cast runes.



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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:

>wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:

>>Join the White Working Class revolution! Write the White Aryan
>>Resistance, P.O. Box 65, Fallbrook, CA 92088 or call the
>>Aryan Update 1-619-723-8996 for a radical pro-White 
>>phone message. 
>> American Capitalism is falling  apart. National Socialism
>>is our only hope! 14/88

>Cool post


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lzaird@io.org (lzaird) wrote:

>wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:

>>Join the White Working Class revolution! Write the White Aryan
>>Resistance, P.O. Box 65, Fallbrook, CA 92088 or call the
>>Aryan Update 1-619-723-8996 for a radical pro-White 
>>phone message. 
>> American Capitalism is falling  apart. National Socialism
>>is our only hope! 14/88

>Cool post

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