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Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Difference between Black and White power movements, and where
Message-ID: <1993Oct31.190520.6284@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 31 Oct 93 19:05:19 -0600
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In article <93304.172925MB0527A@auvm.american.edu>, Michael P. Beck  writes:

>Number One...my grandparents did not follow the 'law' of Hitler because he
>refused to follow the Law of the Lord God, pure and simple...my grandparents
>'loved their neighbors as themselves,' hence they loved ALL men, Jews included.
> To appropriate a quote from Christ, they 'gave to Hitler what was Hitler's,
>but gave to God what is God's."!
>

AH!  HERE LIES THE PROBLEM.  A MATTER OF RELIGION.  YOUR RELATIVES, AND
YOU TOO APPARENTLY, WORSHIP THE FALSE JEWISH "GOD", AND EMBRACE THE 
JEWISH RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY.  MY GOD, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE,
AND ITS NATURAL LAW, DIRECTS ME TO LOVE MY OWN KIND ABOVE ALL, AND BE
COMPASSIONATE TO ALIEN GUESTS ONLY SO LONG AS THEY ARE BENEVOLENT.  IF 
AN ALIEN THREATENS THE LIVES OF MY OWN KIND, THEN THE CREATOR GIVES ME
THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO PROTECT MY PEOPLE.  THE 
NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANS BELIEVED AS I DO.  LET ME ADD THIS;  JEWISH
CHRISTIANITY PERPETRATED GENOCIDE AGAINST OUR ANCESTORS CENTURIES 
AGO IN ORDER TO SUPPRESS OUR NATURAL RELIGION -- THE VOLKISCH MOVE-
MENTS PURPOSED TO ELIMINATE THIS FOREIGN IDEOLOGY, AND REPLACE IT
WITH AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE NATURE WORSHIP THAT WAS TAKEN FROM
OUR PEOPLE BY THE CHRISTIANS.

>Number Two...The German people of post World War One were in shambles...society
> sucked pure and simple because the Germans lost WWI...Hitler told the Germans
>what they wanted to hear, that they were not at fault, that someone else was...
>Hitler created a scapegoat...tell anyone what they want to hear, truth or not,
>and they will support you. That is what happened...I dont blame my German
>brethren for the rise of the Third Reich exclusively...
>
YES INDEED HITLER TOLD THE GERMAN PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR!!
HE TOLD THEM THAT HE AND HIS COMRADES WOULD LEAD A GERMAN PEOPLE 
THAT WAS STOMPED UPON BY BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND THE UNITED STATES TO 
A HAPPIER TIME; A TIME OF PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE.  HITLER WAS NOT
AFRAID TO TELL THE GERMANS, AND THE WORLD, WHO AND WHAT IT WAS THAT
HAD CAUSED THE FIRST ARYAN CIVIL WAR, AND THE MISERY THAT THE GERMAN
PEOPLE HAD TO ENDURE.  IT IS MOST SHAMEFUL FOR YOU TO BLAME THE VIC-
TIM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CLAIM TO BE PROUD OF YOUR GERMAN ANCCESTRY.

-- HERMANN

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Subject: Re: Das Drittes Reich
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 31 Oct 93 20:11:08 -0600
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In article , bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>>Without the Big H, our opponents would have no ammunition against
>>us.  If the "Holocaust" is ever proven to be a hoax as we know it
>>was, the Jews and their lackeys will lose their offensive position
>>to us, and will be placed on the defensive.
>
>And the world would of course immediately forget the millions who
>fought and died to end Nazism, few of whom were motivated by "the
>Jews".

WHY REALLY DID THOSE MILLIONS DIE?  FOR "FREEDOM" AND "DEMOCRACY?"
OR FOR CAPITALIST PLUTOCRACY?  WHAT THREAT DID NATIONAL SOCIALISM
POSE TO THE WORLD?  IT DID POSE A THREAT TO CAPITALIST ENSLAVEMENT
OF THE WORLD'S PEOPLES.
>
>Then again, these ultra-looneys are so convinced that the Jews are in
>control of everything who knows (amazing them Jews! They could get 6
>million of themselves killed while simultaneously maintaining
>iron-fist control of all the world's governments! Astounding!)
>
WHY DO THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE ARYAN NATIONS WORK AGAINST THEIR
OWN INTERESTS?  WHY DO YOU FIND A GREATLY DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT
OF JEWS IN THE MEDIA, THE "ENTERTAINMENT" INDUSTRY, IN BANKING,
IN THE CRIMINAL RACKET OF THE LAWYERS, ETC.?  IS THIS COINCIDENCE?
OR A DELIBERATE, CONCERTED EFFORT?

>I wonder what it would take to convince this drooling class that the
>Jews were behind Nazism and let their confusion become complete?
>
WELL, WELL, WELL.  RABBI SHEIN USES A TYPICAL TACTIC OF THE BOL-
SHEVIKS; ACCUSE HIS OPPONENTS OF BEING INSANE.  WHAT MAKES YOU SO
SURE OF YOUR OWN SANITY, MR. SHEIN?  JEWS DO HAVE A CERTAIN PRE-
DISPOSITION FOR MENTAL INSTABILITY.


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Subject: Re: The Difference between Black and White power movements, and where
Message-ID: <1993Oct31.194806.6287@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 31 Oct 93 19:48:06 -0600
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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In article <2b1npq$2fg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, rht3@po.CWRU.Edu (Randall H. Thatcher) writes:
>
>In a previous article, hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU () says:
>
>>AH!  HERE LIES THE PROBLEM.  A MATTER OF RELIGION.  YOUR RELATIVES, AND
>>YOU TOO APPARENTLY, WORSHIP THE FALSE JEWISH "GOD", AND EMBRACE THE 
>>JEWISH RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY.  MY GOD, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE,
>>AND ITS NATURAL LAW, DIRECTS ME TO LOVE MY OWN KIND ABOVE ALL, AND BE
>>COMPASSIONATE TO ALIEN GUESTS ONLY SO LONG AS THEY ARE BENEVOLENT.  IF 
>>AN ALIEN THREATENS THE LIVES OF MY OWN KIND, THEN THE CREATOR GIVES ME
>>THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO PROTECT MY PEOPLE.  THE 
>>NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANS BELIEVED AS I DO.  LET ME ADD THIS;  JEWISH
>>CHRISTIANITY PERPETRATED GENOCIDE AGAINST OUR ANCESTORS CENTURIES 
>>AGO IN ORDER TO SUPPRESS OUR NATURAL RELIGION -- THE VOLKISCH MOVE-
>>MENTS PURPOSED TO ELIMINATE THIS FOREIGN IDEOLOGY, AND REPLACE IT
>>WITH AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE NATURE WORSHIP THAT WAS TAKEN FROM
>>OUR PEOPLE BY THE CHRISTIANS.
>
>
>What is the name of your God?  What is your God's holy book?
>Surely you don't believe in the God whose son was Jesus.
>
UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T MAKE A FALSE GOD IN MY OWN IMAGE.  MY GOD 
DOESN'T HAVE A NAME BECAUSE HE ISN'T A PRODUCT OF AN INSANE MIND, 
LIKE YOUR "GOD."  NEITHER DOES MY RELIGION REQUIRE A "HOLY BOOK"
(AFTER STUDYING THE "HOLY" BOOKS OF THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS,
THANK THE CREATOR THAT I DON'T HAVE A "HOLY" BOOK AS THEY DO).  

WHY, YOU ARE MOST PERCEPTIVE!  OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WORSHIP THE "GOD 
WHOSE SON WAS JESUS."  I REVERE THE GOD WHO FASHIONED THIS BEAUTIFUL
EARTH. 

-- HERMANN THE THEISTIC NATURALIST



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Subject: Re: Questions for "Hermann"
Message-ID: <1993Oct31.193641.6286@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 31 Oct 93 19:36:41 -0600
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In article <2b1gr8$i50@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, rht3@po.CWRU.Edu (Randall H. Thatcher) writes:
>
>In a previous article, hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU () says:
>
>
>>First off, don't shift the emphasis of our discussion.  We are deal-
>>ing with the alleged "Holocaust," not the Ukrainian famine.
>>
>>If the Ukrainian famine were a hoax, why did the Soviet government
>>without coercion admit what it did?; no German official ever "admit-
>>ted" to engaging in the Final Solution except under vicious torture.
>
>Quiz time!  Would you admit to being part of the Final Solution when the
>war is over?  You would certainly be killed or imprisoned.  Why did the
>survivors flee?  Why do you hear stories of SS leaders being found in South
>America?  
>
GERMANS WERE KILLED WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 
"ATROCITIES."  THE "ALLIES" HAD A VENDETTA AGAINST THOSE WHO HAD
STOOD UP AGAINST THEM AND FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF EUROPE.

-HERMANN

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Subject: Re: Questions for "Hermann"
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 31 Oct 93 19:22:55 -0600
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In article <2b1fm3$pua@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
># First off, don't shift the emphasis of our discussion.  We are deal-
># ing with the alleged "Holocaust," not the Ukrainian famine.
>
>Get this into your head: I'll discuss whatever I want. 

FINE.  DISCUSS WHAT YOU WANT.  BUT I WILL STAY WITH THE RELEVANT
ISSUES.
> 
># If the Ukrainian famine were a hoax, why did the Soviet government
># without coercion admit what it did?; no German official ever "admit-
># ted" to engaging in the Final Solution except under vicious torture.
>
>What utter garbage... not only did they (and many other Germans) admit
>it freely, they have left numerous documents describing it. Some of 
>the most thorough studies of the Holocaust are by German historians.
>If there is interest, I will post a short statistical summary of the
>Holocaust, published in 1992 by the "Institute for Contemporary
>History" in Munich, Germany.
>
INFORMED INDIVIDUALS KNOW THAT THE INSTITUT FUR ZEITGESCHICHTE IS A
KOSHER PROPAGANDA AGENCY.  WHERE ARE THESE "DOCUMENTS?"  I SUPPOSE 
THEY ARE FROM THE IMT "'TRIAL' 'DOCUMENTS'."  THE TORTURE OF GERMAN
POWs FOR "CONFESSION" EXTRACTION IS WELL KNOWN; WHY DO YOU DENY IT?
(ACTUALLY, THAT'S A DUMB QUESTION ON MY PART -- WE KNOW WHY YOU DENY 
IT).

># What do you have to say, or should I write, how will you dismiss the
># evidence submitted by David Cole (who unfortunately for you happens to
># be a Jew) in the tape issued by the IHR?
>
>This is really stupid. Suppose this guy is a Jew. So fu**ing what?
>There are crazy Jews around, just like there are crazy Germans, or
>Poles, or whatever. What pathetic logic. "I find one Jew who agrees
>with me, the opinion of the other millions of Jews doesn't count".
>
THE REASON I POINT OUT THAT COLE IS A JEW IS BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE
ABLE TO MAKE THE "NEO-NAZI" CLAIM AGAINST HIM.  IT SHOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND MY POINT.

>I read the IHR article about Cole, it's the usuall collection of garbage
>spread by the IHR Nazi morons. If you have a specific point to make,
>let's hear it.
>
I AM NOT REFERRING TO ANY ARTICLE ABOUT COLE; I AM TALKING ABOUT HIS
VIDEOTAPE, WHICH I HAVE SEEN TWICE.  HAVE YOU SEEN IT?  IF YOU HAVEN'T,
THEN WE CANNOT DISCUSS THIS ISSUE.  (HIS TAPE POINTS OUT THE "HERMET-
ICALLY SEALED" WOODEN DOOR ON THE AUSCHWITZ "GAS CHAMBER," AMONG 
OTHER THINGS).  

># The "documentation" of the "Holocaust" consists largely of one Jew
># or Jewish lackey quoting another Jew or Jewish lackey who quotes a
># "survivor" or a "document."  
>
>Insanity. Just like I said: he assumes all eyewitnesses are lying,
>all documents are forged. How can one argue with someone who makes
>such assumptions?
>
IN A CRIMINAL CASE, WHICH THE INTERNATIONAL MILITARY TRIBUNAL WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE, THE DEFENDANT IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.  ALL
DOCUMENTS MUST BE HELD TO THE UTMOST SCRUTINY, ALL WITNESSES PROBED
AND TESTED FOR BIAS AND DISHONESTY.   THESE PROCEDURES WERE NOT 
FOLLOWED, AND YOU DON'T FOLLOW THEM EITHER WHEN YOU USE THIS SO-
CALLED "DOCUMENTATION."  

>The following are but a tiny sample of documents detailing mass murder
>of Jews. Can you prove they are forgeries, or do they have to be so,
>because they contdradict your thesis?
>
THE ORIGINALS WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINED BY AN EXPERT TO DETERMINE WHO
(AND WHAT -- THE NKVD?) CREATED THEM.  MOST OF THE "EVIDENCE" SUB-
MITTED AT THE IMT WAS NOT SUBMITTED IN THE ORIGINAL.

>Letter from Generalkommisar for white Russia, Kube, to Reichkommisar
>for the Ostland, Lohse, 31 July 1942
>['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
>NY, 1988, p. 180-181]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>During the course of extensive discussions with SS-Brigadefuehrer Zenner
>and the very competent Leiter of the SD, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr.
>Strauch, it was established that we have liquidated about 55,000 Jews
>in the past ten weeks...
>
>Naturally the SD and I would prefer to eliminate the Jews in the 
>Generalbezirk of white Russia once and for all as soon as the Jews 
>are no longer needed by the Wehrmacht for economic reasons. For the time
>being, the Wehrmacht's requirements, as the principle employer of
>Jewish labor, are being taken into account.
>
>
>Report No. 51 of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler to Hitler about mass 
>executions in the east, 1942
>[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
>Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 269-272]
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>                              August  September  October  November   
>
>Prisoners executed
>after interrogation            2,100    1,400     1,596     2,731    
> .
> .
>Accomplices of guerrilla and
>guerrilla suspects executed    1,198    3,020     6,333     3,706    
> .
> .
>Jews executed                 31,246   165,282    95,735   70,948
> .
> .
>Villages and localities
>Burned down or destroyed        35       12         20       92
>
>
>Letter from SS Major-General Stahlecker to SS General Heydrich, 
>January 31, 1942
>[The Final Solution: The Attempt to Exterminate the Jews of Europe,
>1939-1945 - G. Reitlinger, South Brunswick, T. Yosellof, 1968, p. 233]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>The complete removal of Jewry from the eastern territories has been
>substantially attained, with the exception of white Russia, as a result
>of the execution up to the present time of 229,052 Jews.
>
>
>
>
>Ereignismeldung UdSSR, No. 101, October 2 1941
>['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
>NY, 1988, p. 67]
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Einsatzgruppen C
>Standort Kiev
>
>In collaboration with the group staff and two Kommandos of Police
>Regiment South, on 29 and 30 September 1941, Sonderkommando 4a
>executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev.
>
>
># That's why you people hate Irving -- he digs up "undesirable" mater-
># ial from original, uncontestable sources.
>
>Yes, like the letter he mentions in his book, the one about the gassing
>of the Jews in Chelmno? Don't be silly. Irving has no document "proving"
>any one detail of the Holocaust is not true. 

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!  AND YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE REAL DOCUMENT PROVING 
THAT THE HOLOCAUST IS TRUE.

-- HERMANN

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Subject: Cowardly Wiggers
Message-ID: <1993Nov1.153932.6313@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 1 Nov 93 15:39:31 -0600
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Fearing reality, they hide;
Into a "multicultural" nightmare we slide.

While the cowards run to the cave,
May the world see the true Aryan to be brave.


Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Day will come
Message-ID: <1993Nov1.210858.6322@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 1 Nov 93 21:08:58 -0600
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In article , bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>Actually, Hermann, the Jews have over 3500 years of history, and thus
>far apparently the day hasn't come.
>

Barry --

You think that I am advocating some sort of genocide, don't you?
Well, what I meant is the "Day of Awakening" when my people will 
arise and assert themselves, just as we have in the past.  "The Day"
has come in many lands when the Jews have been thrown out, most
recently by the National Socialist government of Adolf Hitler.

>I think the smart money would conclude that you and yours and all that
>you behold will be dust and long-forgotten before the day will come.

Your confidence in the certainty of your victory over us will be your
demise.  Better start taking the threat we pose more seriously.  Our
people DOES outnumber yours.  And remember that without our labor and
money, the Jews are nothing.

-- Your friend HERMANN


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In article <1993Nov4.131124.6404@msus1.msus.edu>,
hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU contradicts himself.

First he explains how the "races" are different:

	Intellectual characteristics; especially in regards to
	the way the physical and spiritual worlds are perceived.
	Each race has a predisposition for looking at the world
	in a particular way, and culture has only a minimal
	to moderate influence in modifying this.

Note what he says about culture--that it "has only a minimal
to moderate influence in modifying" a race's "intellectual
characteristics."  Yet, in the same post he explains his attitude
toward "Aryans" who convert to Judaism:

	But because he has been highly influenced by an alien
	ideology/religion, I would be highly suspicious 
	of welcoming him as a fellow Aryan, even if he espoused
	similar beliefs as I do about race and culture.  If an
	Aryan converts to Judaism, this person has committed
	race-treason; no I would not regard him as one of us. 

In this paragraph he implies that culture has a major influence
on a person's "intellectual characteristics" -- in fact, a
decisive one!

Can there be any doubt that this individual, regardless of his
"race," has a severe case of intellectual confusion?


Harry Katz


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Subject: Re: Slowly, We Grow Stronger
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 8 Nov 93 08:21:36 -0600
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Hitler and the NSDAP would have had no chance of achieving their
righteous aims if the corrupt political system of Weimar, and the
evil economic system of the world, had not sunk into chaos.

So it is with our movement today.  The Jewish Occupational Govern-
ment that dictates orders to the Sabbath Goiim serving as admini-
strators for America and Canada will wield power proportionally to
the level of psychological enthrallment that can be maintained over
the Aryan race in North America.

Should JOG lose a substantial proportion, or perhaps even most of
of its manipulatory ability, the White self-determination movement
will be provided with an opportunity for great expansion.  JOG 
cannot prevent this eventuality.

The economic conditions of North America, and the World, continue
to degenerate, despite the lies spewed out by the ruling elite's
economists.  The working class knows this; deceit will not dispel
their knowledge.

What would an economic collapse mean to an inhabitant of America?
Obviously, great hardship.  Who would these people look to for
direction?  The same corrupt puppets who helped lead them to 
disaster?  Certainly not.  White people by the millions would soon
take seriously the message espoused by the National Socialist
movement.  Once their expected comforts of daily life evaporate,
the Jewish-inspired mythology embedded in American culture, cen-
tered on "Shoah business," will become irrelevant, as it should
be.

The National Socialist movement will be able to provide the leader-
ship needed for severe distress.  Our detractors may laugh at our
present composition, our unpolished ideas, and our lack of train-
ing, but let them remember that defenders of the filth called the
Weimar Republik laughed at Hitler too.  We move forward; learning,
improving, moving -- however slowly -- towards expertise.  We will
be prepared to offer guidance and a sense of direction when Destiny
provides the moment.  We will answer the call, and fulfill every
need.

National Socialism will be ready, standing by to represent and 
focus the will of the Aryan race in North America into great cre-
ative strength, when the time arrives.  We will offer our people
a new way, a way of life beyond the shortsighted materialistic/
hedonistic deathstyle promoted by the present order.

Determination is our greatest tool.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   First degree Thought Criminal
   ADL-registered anti-Semite


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Subject: Re: Mein Kampf/Questions for Herman
Message-ID: <1993Nov11.175836.6584@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 11 Nov 93 17:58:36 -0600
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In article , walshb@unix1.tcd.ie (benjamin walsh) writes:
>In <1993Nov10.081037.6528@msus1.msus.edu> hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
>>In article <2bopr0$5g4@hermes.uni-konstanz.de>, jmiller@rz-uxfs.fh-konstanz.de (Jacques Miller) writes:
>
>>>By the way, are Neo-Nazis in the US not punished by law? 
>
>>Unlike in the police state of the so-called "Bundesrepublik," America
>>still has some protection for free thought and expression.
>
>Kleim, you swallow all the lies of the bourgeois state when it suits
>you. free thought and expression is not the reason ... look at the
>MacCarthyite rampage ... was that tolerance of "free thought and
>expression?"

I "swallow" no lies of the Capitalist (Jewish-created) monstrosity.  My
comrades and I are tolerated because it is too risky to dispose of the
First Amendment; too many true liberals would challenge such a move.

>the reason Nazis are tolerated and allowed to exist is because they
>SERVE the institutions of capitalism. they create division amongst the
>working class, they put the blame for society's ills on the shoulders of
>minorities and the most oppressed, instead of the ruling classes.

The National Socialist movement wishes to unite White people of all
classes, ESPECIALLY the working class.  It is Marxism that divides a
people against itself.  We National Socialists challenge the Jew and
his lackey, the Aryan traitor, not the manipulated non-white masses.
We defend ourselves from the non-whites only when they become aggressive.
I would prefer that Blacks and Whites unite against the common foe,
but the media spreads too many lies which leads to great mistrust
between Black and White.
>
>And, in a revolutionary or civil war situation, nazis are backed by the
>bourgeois to attack socialism and class struggle. this has succeeded, as
>in Germany, and it has failed, as in Russia. The bourgeoisie NEED the
>Nazis and the nazis are ignorant enough to serve them obligingly.

The Bourgeois may need us, but we don't need them.  They must conform
to National Socialism, not vice-versa.  True, they supported Hitler
because he was preferable to Marxists, but if they try to use us when 
we achieve power, nationalization of their property is a simple task.


-- M.J. Kleim
   Student
   Working-class boy from a
      Working-class family
   National Socialist


Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: The Holocaust Myth
Message-ID: <1993Nov11.184635.6585@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 11 Nov 93 18:46:34 -0600
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The Holocaust Myth: A Debilitating Device of the Jews


Why is the legend of the Holocaust propagated?  Is it because the
self-proclaimed Chosen Ones wish to "never forget?"  Or is it for a
more dastardly purpose?

The Holocaust Myth is peddled by both professional liars, and well-
meaning but misguided historians.  Enormous amounts of material have
been produced, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been expended
in this campaign to disseminate the "acceptable" version of the plight
of the Jews under the Third Reich.

Building upon the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews suffered
and died during the war -- a war in which Jewish leaders played the
major part in materializing -- the Holocaust Myth was developed into
a legend of genocide as convenient but irrelevant facts, misinterpre-
tation of the conditions existing at the concentration camps, grossly
inflated numbers of Jewish missing person reports, and a myriad of
falsehoods were manifested into a fable about a program of extermi-
nation against European Jewry.  Never before were historical events
made into a fictitious legend so successfully; the clever synthesis
of folklore and cinema into the believable myth of the Holocaust 
stands as a testimonial to Jewish artistic skill.

What do the Jews stand to gain from the Holocaust Myth?  Mainly two
things: most importantly, a psychological and spiritual weapon for
utilization against peoples of the West; secondly, billions of dollars
of monetary aid and materiel for their cause, including the State of
Israel, via "reparations," and profits collected from the promotion
of the Myth.

The Holocaust Myth serves to shield Jewry from valid criticism, criti-
cism of their unrighteous acts which is negated due to their unique,
special victim status, this victimhood gained in large part by public
sympathy generated through the Myth.

The Holocaust Myth serves to instill shame in White people, to dim-
inish pride in the accomplishments of the Aryan race.  By applying
guilt where none is deserved, White people are morally disarmed and
disabled, inhibiting their ability to assert themselves when impor-
tant decisions affecting the Fate of their race need be made.

The Holocaust Myth is used as a vehicle for extortion.  The German 
people have been deprived of many billions of Marks as "restitution"
for "crimes" they could not be guilty of even had they occurred, and
other Aryan nations are expected to contribute to Israel and other
Jewish charities largely to "atone" for their inaction to "save" the
Jews.

The Holocaust Myth lies in the bedrock of the new "multicultural"
religion which Jews have a great part in foisting on the world.
Without this fabled tale about genocide perpetrated by the defenders
of the Aryan race, such a scheme would utterly fail for lack of 
support.

Criticism of the Holocaust Myth, regardless of the validity of the
arguments presented, is unlawful in Germany, France and several
other countries because of the legend's fragility.  Further Dracon-
ian measures to suppress the fast-growing public skepticism about the
extermination claims will undoubtedly be enacted.  However, this will
prove self-defeating, for as more and more special protections are
required to compel conformity with the Jewish version of history,
the Myth's validity will become ever more questioned.  Reasonable
people will come to understand that if the Holocaust was fact, special
legislation would be unnecessary to help perpetuate it.

Of course many revisionists have a political motive in denying the
factuality of the Holocaust.  They purpose to eliminate the unrighteous
influence that Jews wield when they use their Holocaust Myth.  They
seek to right an obscene wrong, to remove the indictment against not 
only Hitler and National Socialism, but against all Western peoples
who have refused to bow to the Jewish will.  The neutralization of
the eternal shame imposed upon the White race will occur when history
is revised in accordance with the facts.  Justice is the motive of
many historical revisionists.

Should the Holocaust Myth be demonstrated to be the illusion that it
is, what are the ramifications for its primary purveyors?  Great
public outrage would undoubtedly result, as the world is made aware
that it was so dispicably and deliberately deceived.  Exacerbating
this justifiable rage will be the fact that the willful deception
had as a primary purpose the manipulation of Western peoples' Destiny,
and the extraction of their tax dollars.  The uncodified exclusive
privileges of the Jews would be withdrawn promptly.

Yes, the Holocaust Myth is an illusion, a tremendously powerful,
well-constructed and effective illusion.  Many safeguards are erected
to prevent its lack of substance from being revealed.  But, the truth
often appears at inopportune times.  Many more half-truths and con-
cocted "facts" shall be issued, but, as the body of truth slowly 
emerges, so does the Grand Myth slowly erode.  With work and perse-
verance, the Holocaust Myth will be shown to be what it truly is:
a hoax; a program which simply did not exist.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: More questions for hermy
Message-ID: <1993Dec2.131512.6953@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 2 Dec 93 13:15:11 -0600
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In article <1993Dec2.153038.1304@Virginia.EDU>, bas5m@Virginia.EDU (Benjamin 
Andrew Smith) writes:

>> We are *subjects* of the present regime, not citizens.  What you claim
>> is the "United States Government" is not OUR government, because it 
>> chooses not to recognize our legitimate interests.  

>bullshit.  you were born here (i assume), and you are a
>citizen.  like it or not, you are bound to obey the laws.  if
>you don't like it, renounce your citizenship and stop picking
>up your welfare check each week.  

I consider my country to be under occupation by alien forces.  A citizen
has the ability to effectively influence his/her government; a subject
lives under the authority of an autocracy, such as we have now.  I will
not renounce my American citizenship; rather, I seek to help free America
from alien and collaborator(*) domination, so that my citizenship will
actually mean somthing.     

* this means people like you  

>> Do not claim that this "monstrosity of fact" is the same government
>> created by the Founding Fathers.  The real United States Government was
>> dissolved by the present power elite decades ago.  The present regime 
>> has disposed of the Consitution, and uses its principles only to its
>> *own* advantage, whenever it deems such use appropriate.
>
>false.  the present government is foundering in a sea of
>bureaucracy, and it is struggling to get on its feet once
>more.  if you would open your eyes a bit, you might see that.
>if that calls for a loose interpretation of the Constitution,
>then so be it.  the government does not willingly denounce the
>Constitution.  it uses it to its advantage, true, but it does
>not destroy it.  the whole goal of the government's
>interpretation of the Constitution is to make America a better
>place for *everybody*.

The regime is not "foundering in a sea of bureaucracy"; rather, it 
uses the claim of "gridlock" to covers its lack of desire to implement
measures which will restore America to greatness.  When the puppet masters
want something implemented, it is implemented quickly.  

The State Security apparatus is functioning very well -- I'm sure I and my 
comrades are under surveillance.  Police inaction against crime is not because 
of lack of resources, but because such crime is seen as furthering the
regime's social agenda.  The police are effective only against "gangs"
such as Skinhead Freedom Fighter units, not the Negro, Chicano, and Asiatic
terrorists who present a real danger to the People, because of ideology.

The regime does not embrace the principles of the Constitution.  Many
times in the past few years, especially in my native California, the
overwhelming will of the People has been overridden.  Blatant disregard
of the most important rights has been seen, most notably and recently 
in the double jeopardy "trials" of the LA cops.  The present regime 
operates EXCLUSIVELY in the interests of the regime's string pullers,
not in interests of ordinary Americans of ANY race.

>> We will follow all legitimate decrees of the present regime, but our
>> rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights take precedence over any legis-
>> lation issued by the criminals in the District of Corruption.  

>meaning you're gonna do whatever the hell you want and if you
>don't want to do something, it must violate your rights.  yeah.

Meaning that WE, not a criminal and illegitimate regime, interprets what 
is right and wrong.

>> >hey, if you don't like it, go somewhere else and 
>> >build your homeland there.  we give you the option.  if you don't
 
>> No, we will stay and build our nation-state in North America.  Our options
>> are not meted out by you.  We do not seek to break any law, but as stated
>> before, the Bill of Rights declares certain rights that have more authori-
>> ty than any illegitimate issuance of the present regime. 
 
>bullshit you don't seek to break laws.  you seek to find out
>how far you can push the Law.  when you push too far, you claim
>that your rights are being violated and you were forced into
>action.  juvenile, so juvenile.

Which "laws" have we, or are we attempting to break?    

You forgot to call me a traitor.  That's what you think, isn't it? 

-- HERMANN

                        -- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
                      -- White Pride -- White Power! --

Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism
From: harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Re: The Choice
Message-ID: <1993Dec1.230429.24447@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
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In article <1993Nov23.095657.6852@msus1.msus.edu>,
 writes:

	When an interracist says "people," he refers to a population,
	a herd.

When Herr Hermann writes the word "interracist" he is making up a
category of non-existent people in an effort to avoid confronting real
individuals with real facts because he has no real facts.


	When a National Socialist...

Or "Nazi," for short.  It is common knowledge that Nazis consider lying
to be a legitimate political tool, so when a Nazi says anything he
cannot be believed.


	...says "people," he refers to a large group of individuals who
	share an unique heritage of culture and ancestry.

But when the Nazi Herr Hermann says anything, he is avoiding a real
discussion in favor of playing semantic games.  Webster's dictionary
defines "herd" as "a group of people usually having a common bond."
So, Herr Hermann's definition of "people" is no different from the
hypothetical "interracist" definition.


	When an interracist says "socialism," he refers to a system
	where a human herd is ordered and led towards efficient
	exploitation.  When a National Socialist says "socialism," he
	refers to a system where all members of a people, regardless of
	class or other economic stratifiers, function as a family,...

Herr Hermann complains of imaginary "interracist" political systems
"where a human herd is ordered and led," then extols the Nazi system,
where the "Aryan" herd "function as a family."  The contradiction here,
which is too obvious for anyone but Herr Hermann to miss, is that a
family is "ordered and led" by its father, who is neither appointed
nor elected by the family members.  Herr Hermann's "Aryan" race is not
just a "herd," but a herd of children who cannot make their own choices
without papa's consent.

The selection of the "family" as a symbol of Nazi rule is not
accidental.  Authoritarians like the Nazis are often the children of
authoritarian, even abusive, parents.  Their childhood trauma usually
develops into a blind and unquestioning obediance to authority at an
age when they are too young to comprehend what is happening to them.
As they grow older they must find new authority figures to replace
their parents.


	...and strive for the betterment of the whole, which leads to
	the betterment of the individual.

All governments have this as their ultimate goal.  Decades before the
word "socialism" was coined, the founders of the United States clearly
formulated such goals in the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution.  But there is a difference between expressing such lofty
goals and achieving them.  The problem is how to implement a system
that will not fall prey to the pitfalls, such as corruption and greed,
that prevent the realization of these goals.  In considering the Nazi
system, we must disregard their stated goals and look for their actual
achievements.

The first thing Big Daddy Adolf did upon coming into power was to shove
innocent Germans into concentration camps for belonging to opposition
political parties or labor unions.  If the Third Reich was one big
happy family, then its father was a child abuser!  Then Daddy Hitler
started a suicidal world war that left 24 million Europeans -- men,
women, and children, both civilian and military -- dead, and left
Germany in ruins and divided, both physically and spiritually.  Only
the most demented idealogues maintain that the Nazi system "leads to
the betterment of the individual!"


Herr Hermann continues his little diatribe:

	When an interracist says "democracy," he refers to a system
	where the population is presented with several false "choices,"
	which all lead to a single end: destruction.

If the population is nothing more than a mindless herd, why offer them
any choices at all?  Besides, who is offering them these "false choices?"
As for the "single end: destruction," that is exactly how the Third
Reich met its end -- through the destruction of a generation of Germans
and the division of their country between the victorious allies.


	When a National Socialist says "democracy," he refers to a
	system where the people are allowed to choose their path
	to a brighter Destiny, to influence their collective Fate in
	the most positive way through their leaders who embody the
	will of that people.

Note once again the abundance of well-meaning platitudes and the dearth
of specific details of implementation.  The reason is that even the
brilliant Herr Hermann cannot seem to reconcile Nazi dictatorship with
the ordinary meaning of democracy as defined by Webster, "government by
the people; especially rule of the majority."  It is easy for Nazis to
develop "leaders who embody the will of that people," as they
immediately eliminate those people who disagree with the will
of the leadership!


	When an interracist says "culture," he refers to the most
	debased manifestation concocted by a terribly sick soul.
	When a National Socialist says "culture," he refers to a
	manifestation of functional and/or idealistic-educational
	artwork produced by a healthy soul that is in harmony with
	the natural Order.

Apparently, Herr Hermann cannot tell the difference between the words
"culture" and "taste."  As far as taste goes, it is common knowledge
that Papa Hitler deplored modern art and banned it from the Third
Reich, so that his innocent German children would not be corrupted.
The Nazi concept of "democracy" does not even give the individual
the right to decide what he enjoys for himself.

Moreover, Herr Hermann shows his ignorance of the concept of art in
general when he writes of "a manifestation of functional and/or
idealistic-educational artwork."  Unlike craftwork, art is not intended
to be functional nor educational, and every accepted definition of art
specifically excludes functionality.

Needless to say, only Herr Hermann and his Nazi cohorts can recognize
"a healthy soul that is in harmony with the natural Order," and when
they do they will inform the rest of us.  Of course, the true order of
nature is one of diversity.  The many peoples who constitute the human
race were created by nature and survived under natural selection.  The
Nazis turn this natural order on its head by excluding "non-Aryans"
from their homogeneous world.


	Interracism, or racism.
	International socialism, or National Socialism.
	Autocracy, or democracy.
	Degeneracy, or creativity.
	The Way of Death, or the Way of Life.

	Survival depends upon the Wise choice.

The wise will not make their decisions based on a compilation of
hollow platitudes.


Herr Hermann concludes with a quote from his fuhrer:

	"The state is a means to an end.  Its end lies in the
	preservation and advancement of a community of physically
	and psychically homogenous creatures...

Anyone who doubts that the Nazis stood for mind control needs to take a
close look at the phrase "psychically homogenous" as used by Hitler.
Moreover, since Herr Hermann has characterized this as a matter of
"survival," Hitler's stated goal of homogeneity would have the
practical effect of stifling independent thought and creativity,
thereby decreasing the chances of the survival of his "state" and his
"homogenous creatures."


	"States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten,
	monstrosities in fact.  The fact of their existence changes
	this no more than the success of a gang of bandits can
	justify robbery."

The irony of this last statement must have eluded Hitler, whose gang of
Nazi bandits looted the national treasures of every country they
invaded and robbed every Jew they could capture of his life savings and
worldly possessions, down to the gold fillings in their teeth and even
the hair on their heads.

But the misbegotten and monstrous nature of the Third Reich cannot be
denied on the basis of their success as the entire project was a
miserable failure of catastrophic proportions.


Harry Katz


Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Nobel Peace Prize for a HATEMONGER?!?
Message-ID: <1993Dec2.211432.6969@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 2 Dec 93 21:14:31 -0600
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
References: <2d3q0q$a4d@kelly.teleport.com>,<1993Dec2.222637.8393@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
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In article <1993Dec2.222637.8393@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, dspiegel@oucsace.
cs.ohiou.edu (Dan Spiegel) writes:

>Gannon, you are truly beneath contempt. 

Dan and I are proud to be despised by the likes of you.

>1. Answer the 10 questions

Why?  He needs not prove anything to you. 

>2. Stop abusing the net

Dan has not abused the Net.  What is the basis for your claim?

>   Gannon, you are not even qualified to consume Elie Wiesel's excrement,
>the lowly, pathetic bastard that you are.

Dan and I judge Elie the Weasel, and find him guilty of fraud, among other
things.  Elie the Weasel, advocate of hatred, illegitimate recipient of the 
Nobel Prize.

-- HERMANN

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: German president assaulted.
Message-ID: <1993Dec3.165344.6990@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 3 Dec 93 16:53:44 -0600
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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In article <2do4sr$n6l@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, Thalia <94maw_2@williams.edu.> 
writes:

>Another article I found.
>	-- Thalia

>From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
>Copyright: 1993 by UPI, R
>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 16:23:09 PST
>
>	BONN (UPI) -- A 48-year-old man Thursday assaulted and slightly
>injured German President Richard von Weizsaecker as he was entering a
>theater in the northern German city of Hamburg, a police spokesman said.
>	The spokesman said the man punched von Weizsaeker in the face. The
>president fell to the ground and sustained a slight cut on the lip.
>	Police has arrested the man who was seen earlier distributing
>pamphlets that called the president ``a Nazi and a big capitalist and a
>helper of Saddam Hussein.''
>	The attack occurred as the president was entering a theater in
>Hamburg for a gala opening. Earlier in the evening von Weizsaecker had
>participated in a forum on peace and security policy.
>	Von Weizsaecker, 73, is widely respected in Germany and is generally
>thought to have sought the presidency to live down his father's
>conviction at Nueremberg for his work as deputy Nazi foreign minister.
>	Von Weizsaecker, a trained lawyer of aristocratic descent, had
>defended his father at the Nueremberg trial.
>	He is a member of Chancellor Helmut Kohl's Christian Democratic
>Union. His duties as president are of a largely ceremonial nature.
>	The deputy president of the Bundestag, the lower House in Bonn, said
>he was ``shocked and outraged'' by the news of the attack and expressed
>concern about what he said was an increase of violence in Germany.

Normally, traitors are imprisoned or executed.  This one got lucky.

-- HERMANN

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Encouraging News From Germany
Message-ID: <1993Dec10.083027.7172@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 10 Dec 93 08:30:27 -0500
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In article <2e9j2l$iii@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona) 
writes:

>This appeared on the front page of the Daily Illini (a communist-oriented
rag from the University of Illinois, I believe):

>BONN, Germany (AP)--A neo-Nazi got life in prison Wednesday and his sidekick
>10 years for a 1992 firebombing that killed three Turks.  The ruling is 
>hailed as proof that Germany is serious about locking up violent admirers of
>Adolf Hitler.

But not serious about providing a living standard equal or greater than that
of Turk invaders for Germans in Central (ex-"East") Germany.

>A spokesperson for the Frankfurt Jewish community, Michel Friedman, said a 
>harsh sentence was long overdue.  "I just hope it has a deterrent effect."

Sorry Rabbi Friedman.  Many comrades of Adolf Hitler were killed or impris-
oned, yet he still came to power.  Modern National Socialists will also be
victorious.

>But security authorities said neo-Nazi groups were forming tighter bonds
>and it was becoming harder to infiltrate them.

Hmmm.  Maybe these "idiotic" "neo-Nazis" aren't so stupid after all...

>At least 30 people have died in three years of neo-Nazi violence.  Attacks
>occur nearly every day.

And *at least* 3 *thousand* Germans die *every year* in colored perpetrated 
violence.  Why does not the "German" government of Richard von Cocksucker
and Helmut Fool protect the German people against alien criminals?

>The Moelln firebombing infuriated Germany's Turkish community, prompted 
>new legal measures against right-wing radicals, and sent thousands of 
>Germans out into the streets to protest in candlelight parades.

Government orchestrated "candlelight parades."  Without free transportation
for the leftists and other kooks who participate in these counter-demonstra-
tions, all you'd have bitching in the street is a bunch of Turks and other
coloreds screaming about how they hate Germans and Germany.

>Well guys, that's two more down.  

Sorry, but two hundred more just joined.  

North American and German National Socialists.  One Struggle, One Victory!

-- HERMANN

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --


Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ANA News Update
Message-ID: <1993Dec10.112950.7177@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 10 Dec 93 11:29:50 -0500
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Harry the Jew writes:

>In article <1993Dec7.130211.7084@msus1.msus.edu>,
>hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU responds:

>	The Aryan News Agency is a group of National
>	Socialists working to disseminate news from an
>	Aryan perspective...

>In other words, it is a group of crackpots who think they
>can lend some kind of legitimacy to their crazed notions
>by adopting an official sounding title like, "Aryan
>News Service!"

Right in front of your fucking eyes, and you still can't get it right.  It's
Aryan News *Agency*.  We don't give a damn whether you think material from
the ANA is legitimate and truthful or not.  Your opinions are irrelevant.

>	...(not the "politically correct and/or
>	Jewish version).

>Just the distorted and false version.

If I distort the already distorted Jewish version of daily events, does that 
mean that my version is truthful?

>	Its director is myself.  All material is edited
>	by myself, and most is written by myself.

>Herr Hermann forgot to mention that he also fabricates all
>the lies and distortions himself.

Curious that most of the relevant information used to create ANA Updates
is from sources that you get *your* news from everyday.  I don't need to 
fabricate anything, just modify the material available to have an Aryan 
instead of Jewish bias.


-- HERMANN

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --

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