Archive/File: fascism/dossier kleim.milton Last-Modified: 1994/01/10 Kleim, Milton John Jr. Neo-Nazi posting to UseNet news groups alt.skinheads and alt.revisionism; a self-described racist and anti-semite. Note Milton's avoidance of questions related to his stated beliefs - although he has been repeatedly asked to provide references supporting his assertion that the Holocaust is a "myth," Mr. Kleim refuses to do so. Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads Subject: Re: ANA relay Message-ID: <1993Nov5.163858.6435@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 5 Nov 93 16:38:57 -0600 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1993Nov4.200510.6411@msus1.msus.edu> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 96 From the NS Bulletin: Official Newsletter of the New Order, Second Quarter 1993 -- "'Holocaust' ... Or Hitler?" Represented here are polar opposites, a dichotomy which defines the overriding issue of modern time. For involved are two totally dif- ferent perceptions, two opposed outlooks, two irreconcilable sets of values -- one Jewish and one Aryan. The destiny of the former is the Old Order. The destiny of the other is a New Order. On November 9, 1989, a remarkable event took place. Right there in full view of the Bunker site where our Fuehrer fulfilled his earthly mission and gave his life, the Berlin Wall collapsed, and the Old Order entered upon its final, downward phase! Today that order stands completely bankrupt. It is incapable of solving any of the great problems of modern society -- political, social, economic, ecological or racial. Morally and spiritually it is an utter failure. The only moral principle it can offer is "The Holocaust" and an invitation to take a guilt trip and grovel eternally before those who have chosen themselves for world rule. In other words, it has nothing better to offer than a monstrous lie and an obscene swin- dle. The Jews are now trying to foist this lie off as the central event of human history. With their control of the mass media, the churches and the educational curricula, they have sought to make it the focus of contemporary myth, ideology and all political correctness. The purpose, of course, is to exert moral blackmail by instilling in the goy a sense of perpetual guilt and shame. Without such moral extortion, these parasites would never be able to procure their vic- tim's carte blanche support for the State of Israel and the Jewish agenda. And without such support, they could never realize their age-old megalomaniac dream of global domination. As National Socialists, we reject such a perverse, Judeocentric outlook. We reject its moral swindle. We reject its pathological designs to dominate and enslave the non-Jewish world. For us the central event of history is not the so-called "Holo- caust", but the advent of Adolf Hitler. For it was he who had a better idea and who challenged us. His challenge calls for Aryans to become aware and to liberate themselves. It calls for them to stop wallowing in an alien sty of guilt and shame. It calls for them to become morally and spiritually renewed. It calls for them to pursue their high destiny. And so the issue today is between an alien myth called the "Holo- caust" and the reality of Adolf Hitler. This issue has been de- termined, not by us, but by the adversary -- that is to say, by those who wield dominant power and influence in the modern world. Make no mistake: On this issue no one will be allowed to remain neutral. No one will be let off the hook. Whether one likes it or not, everyone will be compelled to stand up and be counted. In Jewish eyes, either you recognize their "Holocaust," or you are an "anti-Semite" and a "Nazi." In other words, either you are against Hitler, or you are for him. And indeed, you should be for him! For his name means an end to such vile, outrageous parasitism. His name means an end to alien lies and corruption. His name means liberation, hope and sanity. It means a bright new day, a better future for this planet. For Hitler or against him? How will you be counted? Are you going to grovel and bow down before the yoke of Zion and continue to worship Jews? Or are you going to stand tall and pursue your true destiny as an Aryan? The hour of decision is here -- now, today. "HOLOCAUST" OR HIT- LER -- which is it going to be? That is the question. -- by the Honorable MATT KOEHL, Commander of the New Order For further information, write: New Order P.O. Box 27486 Milwaukee, WI 53227 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above editorial is provided as a public service by the Aryan News Agency. It does not necessarily reflect the views of the ANA or the transcriber. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. First degree Thought Criminal ADL-registered anti-Semite Article 3300 of alt.skinheads: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads Subject: Slowly, We Grow Stronger Message-ID: <1993Nov7.184803.6465@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 7 Nov 93 18:48:02 -0600 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 52 Hitler and the NSDAP would have had no chance of achieving their righteous aims if the corrupt political system of Weimar, and the evil economic system of the world, had not sunk into chaos. So it is with our movement today. The Jewish Occupational Govern- ment that dictates orders to the Sabbath Goiim serving as admini- strators for America and Canada will wield power proportionally to the level of psychological enthrallment that can be maintained over the Aryan race in North America. Should JOG lose a substantial proportion, or perhaps even most of of its manipulatory ability, the White self-determination movement will be provided with an opportunity for great expansion. JOG cannot prevent this eventuality. The economic conditions of North America, and the World, continue to degenerate, despite the lies spewed out by the ruling elite's economists. The working class knows this; deceit will not dispel their knowledge. What would an economic collapse mean to an inhabitant of America? Obviously, great hardship. Who would these people look to for direction? The same corrupt puppets who helped lead them to disaster? Certainly not. White people by the millions would soon take seriously the message espoused by the National Socialist movement. Once their expected comforts of daily life evaporate, the Jewish-inspired mythology embedded in American culture, cen- tered on "Shoah business," will become irrelevant, as it should be. The National Socialist movement will be able to provide the leader- ship needed for severe distress. Our detractors may laugh at our present composition, our unpolished ideas, and our lack of train- ing, but let them remember that defenders of the filth called the Weimar Republik laughed at Hitler too. We move forward; learning, improving, moving -- however slowly -- towards expertise. We will be prepared to offer guidance and a sense of direction when Destiny provides the moment. We will answer the call, and fulfill every need. National Socialism will be ready, standing by to represent and focus the will of the Aryan race in North America into great cre- ative strength, when the time arrives. We will offer our people a new way, a way of life beyond the shortsighted materialistic/ hedonistic deathstyle promoted by the present order. Determination is our greatest tool. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. First degree Thought Criminal ADL-registered anti-Semite From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Mon Dec 13 11:28:34 PST 1993 Article: 3586 of alt.skinheads Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Increasing Intolerance Message-ID: <1993Dec10.110926.7176@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 10 Dec 93 11:09:26 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References:, Distribution: alt.skinheads Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 24 Now ... the problem here is quite simple. You are blaming the wrong people. It is not the White male, the Negro, the Mexican migrant, the Asian immigrant. Rather, it is the Jew. Can't get a decent job? Have to work long hours for slave wages? Why not blame the origin of the corrupt Capitalist system? What you are doing is blaming the WRONG PEOPLE. You are blaming others who are working, who are oppressed, exploited, suffer from discrmination and bigotry. You are blaming them as they struggle to free themselves and their peoples, just as you wish to. You have every right to feel angry. But direct this in such a way as to change the fundamental situation! Blame the system, and the creature who developed the criminal system: the Jew. Unite with oppressed members of your race, and encourage your race to unite against the common enemy with other oppressed races. BLACK AND WHITE UNITE AND FIGHT TO THROW OFF THE SHACKLES PLACED ON YOUR PEOPLES BY THE JEW! -- HERMANN From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Mon Dec 13 14:17:50 PST 1993 Article: 5599 of alt.revisionism Xref: oneb alt.revisionism:5599 alt.skinheads:3598 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads Subject: Am I annoying you people? Message-ID: <1993Dec11.161512.7208@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Dec 93 16:15:12 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 13 It seems that my opponents are in a flaming frenzy. I haven't been flamed so harshly for some time. Well, I just have to sit back and laugh. You people respond to my posts just like Pavlovian dogs. You allow me to control your thoughts. I post; you react. Keep flaming me -- PLEASE! I need to be entertained. -- HERMANN -- No Guilt -- No Remorse -- -- White Pride -- White Power! -- From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Sun Dec 19 05:05:55 PST 1993 Article: 3686 of alt.skinheads Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Peace...or Utter Destruction Message-ID: <1993Dec17.090219.7357@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 17 Dec 93 09:02:18 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2es45i$qo1@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 117 Danny Keren battles with me: >## Hitler was not only responsible for the killing of millions of >## "sub-humans" such as Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Soviets and others. ># Again, the false claim of the Holocaust Myth. Or are you referring to the ># war casualties? >I meant the extermination of millions in Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec and >many other death camps, as well as in numerous mass executions in Nazi >occupied USSR and elsewhere. Documents, eyewitness accounts and summaries >written by (Establishment - ed.) historians were presented here to support >these facts. You are referring to the Holocaust Myth, an unproven thesis that millions of Jews were deliberately exterminated by the National Socialist German government. I have demonstrated that the sources which you quote to "prove" your claims have a motive to lie about purported genocide. An historian who depends upon the Establishment for his/her income and research grants has a personal interest in pleasing that Establishment. >So far, you have not made one valid claim to prove that any of the evidence >is not true. You simply claim it is not, but never give any facts/arguments >to support your point. You're the one indicting the German government and people. You have to prove *your* claim. I have presented many arguments against your claims of genocide. The facts I present you dismiss as "lies" from "Nazi apologists." Every witness for my version you claim is a "neo-Nazi," an "anti-Semite," and/or mentally unbalanced, and therefore not worthy to present evidence against you. You dismiss every piece of evidence presented by revisionists as half-truths or total deceit. >## I am talking...of the Euthanasia (mercy killing) program, run under the >## direct supervision of Hitler, in which about 120,000 mentally retarded >## and insane Germans were murdered by gassing, phenol injections, and other >## methods. ># Keren is the type of person who opposes Jack Kevorkian. I have no objection ># to the concept of the Tiergartenstrasse 4 program. You call it "murder;" ># I call it mercy death. >I have actually said nothing about Kevorkian. He is not the issue here. He *is* the issue here, because what you are arguing against in National Socialist Germany is today happening in Michigan. You are the type of person who would rather see a person suffer than euthanize them. The *exact* same arguments used against Dr. Kevorkian (who happens to be non-Aryan) were used (and are used) against the Tiergartenstrasse 4 program. My definition of human life precludes that of an individual who possesses no ability to interact normally with his environment or those around him. A "vegetable" is not a person in my eyes. >The issue is mass murder of mentally retarded and insane people which >the Nazis conducted. These people (nor their families) weren't asked if >they want to die. They were simply murdered. "These people" were not even able to ask for dinner. And the family's wishes were irrelevant, unless they wanted to take care of them and pay for it. Again, Keren calls it "murder;" I call it mercy death. >Do you suggest doing the same here in the US? Round up insane people >and mentally retarded people and kill them? Yes. >Also, if you agree that the Nazis did kill many *Germans* - their own >people - than why do you find it difficult to accept that they killed >numerous people who belonged to ethnic/religious groups they obviously >hated very much? As I said in "Peace...or Utter Destruction," the war for survival would have justified the extermination of the Jews, but this did not happen. The so-called "Endloesung" is simply a ridiculous tale, concoted as a weapon to further a certain peoples' agenda. >The extermination of the Jews was a key issue for the Nazi regime. Hitler, >Goebbels, Himmler and the other leaders of that regime spoke about it >at length; it was a very important goal for them. The evidence it happened >is overwhelming. Why do you keep denying it? If the extermination of the Jews was a program of National Socialism, why were so many Jews allowed to escape before the war -- with government assistance -- to the West and Palestine? The "evidence" that the Earth was flat centuries ago was "overwhelming" too. The "evidence" that 2+2=5 was "overwhelming" for Winston Smith. I deny the Holocaust is fact because it is not fact. >The rest of "HERMANN"'s article consists of the usual dismissal of >well documented historical material - quoted, BTW, from a book written >by a German - as "lies". If a Jew writes a book denying the Holocaust, that means it didn't happen, right? >It is quite amazing to see how he rejects every document and every eye- >witness account that contradicts his opinions as forgeries and lies, while >claiming that the statements he makes are true even if there are no facts >to back them up. Replace "he" and "his" with "Danny" and "Danny's" and the effect is the same. -- HERMANN -- No Guilt -- No Remorse -- -- White Pride -- White Power! -- From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Mon Jan 3 15:10:19 PST 1994 Article: 6023 of alt.revisionism Xref: oneb alt.skinheads:3827 alt.revisionism:6023 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism Subject: VVZ Message-ID: <1994Jan3.083505.7606@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 3 Jan 94 08:35:04 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 88 ZHIRINOVSKY: CHAMPION OF A NEW RUSSIA? Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky, 47-year old political powerhouse. This new dynamo in the Russian political arena has instilled great unease in the International Establishment after his incredible showing in this month's parliamentary elections, winning the largest share -- 24 percent -- of the popular vote. Why is he feared? Zhirinovsky may represent an emerging new era for the largest White nation. His Liberal Democractic Party declares its main aim the preservation of "White civilization." Understanding well the present corrupt order, he states that Russia has been deliberately impoverished and exploited by the "inter- national center," his term for the World's power elite. Publicly acknowledg- ing that World Jewry were instrumental in the materialization of both World Wars, Zhirinovsky also said that "our faithful ally should have been Germany. We could have avoided the two world wars with them." He expands on this with, "we must never again allow ourselves to be driven apart," and con- templates an "eternal alliance" between the two nations. He vigorously opposes "Americanization," referring both to the disposses- sion of the Majority in our nation, and to the widespread infusion of materi- alistic pseudo-culture as "Western" capitalists infiltrate his country. More aware than most Americans about grim reality, his autobiography states "we Russians will take no joy when your states start to break away, when your factories grind to a halt, when there is not enough food. There will be no joy when California joins Mexico, when a negro republic is founded in Miami..." In an interview, he expounded, "...[the United States] has really gone to Hell. Soon all of America will be black. Then you'll be asking *us* for aid." Seeking to prevent similar eventualities in Eastern Europe, Zhirinov- sky proposes measures against the "yellow peril" and the former Soviet Union's burgeoning non-White Muslim population, especially swift action to curb crime by "slant-eyed, yellow-skinned" thugs and racketeers. Zhirinovsky denounces the Russian newsmedia as being riddled with Jews, and points out that the vilest misinformation about him comes from Jewish journalists. Scoffing at criticism, he commented, "...believe what you hear coming from my lips, not what you read in newspapers." He dismisses Slavic anti-Semitism as a "phenomenon...provoked only by Jews themselves." Pulling no punches in his foreign policy, it is reported Zhirinovsky told the disagreeable Japanese, "So, you want another one." As President, he "will not hesitate to deploy atomic weapons" against powers that interfere in Russian affairs, impeding his wish to "restore Russia's greatness," establishing "a new state: strong, powerful, wealthy, White..." He explains, "we simply won't tolerate the domination of some yellow-skinned people." He approves of a revision of the Oder-Neisse line in "a formula that satisfies Germany completely." His attentions also focus on South Africa, proposing that should a Mandela dictatorship come to power, the Afrikaners may emigrate to Russia. Zhirinovsky's 1993 autobiography's title, Last Thrust to the South, alludes to a crusade to secure Russian access to the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. Born in Alma Ata, Zhirinovsky left for Moscow to study Law. Married with one son, he describes himself as a "self-made man," sexalingual in, besides his native tongue, English, French, German, Spanish, and Turkish. Even opponents respect him for his charm and sense of humor. Although a charis- matic orator and skilled in politics, he is a recent arrival to the Russian political scene, founding his party in 1990, but being catapulted onto cen- ter stage by capturing 6 million votes -- third place -- in the 1991 presi- dential election. Rightly claiming that "hungry people will vote for me," the budding statesman sees himself as "someone from outside the elite," a "clean, fresh, young face" opposed to "all those coughing, wheezing, sick types...with their heart attacks and strokes." Shying away from comparisons between he and Hitler, he prefers the likening of himself to Bismarck. One distubing charge levelled against Zhirinovsky involves his family back- ground. Several parties, including the New York Times, assert that his father was Jewish, an allegation repeatedly denied. Rumors that he is homosexual also circulate. Such accusations should be weighed in light of similar slander against Adolf Hitler. If Zhirinovsky is indeed not a cleverly-constructed front-man for Jewry, he is a long-awaited alternative, a personality who can gain self-determination for the Russian people from alien opportunists and self-serving renegades. Despite his obvious faults, the salvation of the White world may also be bound to the success of this Muscovite, for if he be true to his words, this visionary leader can guide the most exploited White nation to prosperity free of foreign poisons, and provide a beacon of hope for Whites around the world. While a revitalized Russia cannot avert an inevitable worldwide disaster, it could lay the foundations of a speedier, more universal recovery. Once again, a radiant glow penetrates overwhelming gloom. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Mon Jan 3 16:33:57 PST 1994 Article: 6029 of alt.revisionism Xref: oneb alt.skinheads:3830 alt.revisionism:6029 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: VVZ Message-ID: <1994Jan3.115559.7608@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 3 Jan 94 11:55:59 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan3.083505.7606@msus1.msus.edu> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 15 In response to Mark Ira Kaufman, I offer these quotes from my article: "... Zhirinovsky also said that 'our faithful ally should have been Germany. We could have avoided the two world wars with them.' He expands on this with, 'we must never again allow ourselves to be driven apart,' and con- templates an 'eternal alliance' between the two nations. "He approves of a revision of the Oder-Neisse line in 'a formula that satisfies Germany completely.'" Doesn't sound like the comments of someone who wants to destroy Germany. Mr. Kaufman's "news" sources must be lying again. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!news.cic.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Fri Jan 7 16:42:05 PST 1994 Article: 6139 of alt.revisionism Xref: oneb alt.skinheads:3878 alt.revisionism:6139 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!news.cic.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism Subject: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan7.163956.7706@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 7 Jan 94 16:39:55 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 183 His Liberal Democractic Party declares its main aim the preservation of "White civilization." -- [see The New Republic, 11/11/91] ...Zhirinovsky also said that "our faithful ally should have been Germany. We could have avoided the two world wars with them." -- [see USA Today, 12/15/93] He expands on this with, "we must never again allow ourselves to be driven apart," and contemplates an "eternal alliance" between the two nations. -- [see The New York Times, 12/15/93] More aware than most Americans about grim reality, his autobiography states "we Russians will take no joy when your states start to break away, when your factories grind to a halt, when there is not enough food. There will be no joy when California joins Mexico, when a negro republic is founded in Miami..." -- [see USA Today, 12/15/93] He approves of a revision of the Oder-Neisse line in "a formula that satisfies Germany completely." -- [see The New York Times, 12/15/93] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of three things is occurring: 1) Zhirinovsky is lying. 2) The Jewsmedia is fabricating material about Zhirinovsky. 3) The Jewsmedia is consciously distorting statements Zhirinovsky actually made in order to paint him in a very bad light. Zhirinovsky is the greatest threat to the corrupt order since Hitler, and the Establishment must neutralize his appeal by smearing his character, just as they did with Hitler. Assassination is out of the question, for to kill him would be to martyr him in Russian eyes. The Jewsmedia is the opinion manipulation instrument of the Establishment, and has no interest in reporting the whole truth. It is a propaganda insti- tution and must be expected to lie regularly, especially about a threat such as VVZ. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Omri Schwarz writes: >I don't know. Time magazine doesn't lie very often. Neither does the Boston >Globe, and both mentioned the nutcase considering nuking the krauts if they get >too persistent with their claim to the area around Kaliningrad/Konigsburg. Zhirinovsky has said that he wants to conclude a treaty that "satisfies Germany completely" (see above) in regards to the Oder-Neisse line, and the territory stolen from the German people by the Americans and the Soviets. Time magazine regularly distributes disinformation. What is so unusual about it lying to distort the words of the Establishment's worst enemy? I find it amusing that you have admitted that the Jewsmedia lies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ira Kaufman quotes: > Informed by a German diplomat in Bulgaria that Bonn was denying > him a visa, Zhirinovsky responded that the rebuff could lead to a > new world war and Germany's "complete destruction," the newspaper > Welt am Sonntag said. > The man dubbed "the Russian Hitler" by some German media also > threatened to impoverish Germany by exacting more reparations for > World War II, the paper said, citing unidentified German security > sources. [A dependible source?!?!?!?! -- editor] AGAIN -- "'I am for close military cooperation with Germany,' he said, calling for an 'eternal alliance' between Germany and Russia. 'We must never again allow ourselves to be driven apart'." -- The New York Times, 12/15/93 The anti-German rag The World on Sunday (masquerading as a pro-German paper) is engaging in its primary purpose by misreporting and misrepresenting VVZ's commentary. The forces in favor of the Jew World Order are desperate. They seek to drive a wedge between the Germans and the Russians, knowing that an alliance be- tween the two -- sought sincerely by Zhirinovsky -- means the end of their criminal regimes in Europe, probably the world. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short Straw and Little Mind writes: > Hermann, you're losing *major* points with these posts stating > that Zhirinovsky is palsey-walsey with the Germans. > There have been several *major and popular* news organizations that have > quoted Zhirinovsky threatening Germany with nuclear weapons and other > injury (I've seen it in, among other places, Newsweek magazine, and > The Baltimore Sun newspaper). Prominent and popular do not mean accurate and honest. I will report the truth, regardless of which Jewsmedia agency contradicts what I cite. Zhirinovsky is in intimate contact with most German National Socialist liber- ation organizations, and several of his friends are SS members. There is no love between your type of "Germans" and the Russians, but National Socialist Germans realize Germany and Russia should be allies, as Zhirinovsky has stated. An alliance between Deutschland and Rossija would be an unstoppable force for Aryan freedom. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Power writes: I've been following Zhirinovsky's stories in the press, and I've yet to see any denial of his Jewish parentage. It's repeatedly pointed out that while he refers to his mother's nationality, he refers only to the profession of his father. Either you are not paying even the least attention, or you are lying. Anyone who has read the most general background article on VVZ knows he asserts his parents were Russians. Zhirinovsky has vehemently denied that he is a Jew, even physically attacking an individual who claimed such at his victory celebration last month. This latter incident was reported in several Jewsmedia organs. I do not deny the possiblity that VVZ worked for a pro-Jewish organization called Shalom a few years back. What I would question is -- if the claim is true -- his motive for doing so. I would propose that he was acting sub- versively. [About the charge of homosexuality] You're not paying attention, Milton. This isn't a slander anymore. BTW, this is the first time I've seen any rumor to this effect. If the charge of homosexuality is not slander, then why is it propagated? Certainly if being labelled a queer is now positive, the Establishment would not want to make VVZ look better. Even Time magazine called the charge "slander" (see the 12/27 edition). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Danny Keren defecates: >In short - another vulgar and stupid fascist, just the type of guy >that makes hermie drool! Everyone that has the gall to contradict Mr. Keren's ideology, and believe differently is "vulgar" and "stupid." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armin writes: Funny, I always thought Russians were considered to be non-white by most of the White Boy Bunch... Well, you thought wrong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To my comrades who have broken ranks with me on the Zhirinovsky Question: Do you not recall history? Do you not remember the propaganda campaign of the '30s and '40s? There is nearly a perfect parallel in each of the charges made to defame Adolf Hitler over five decades ago, and Vladimir Zhirinovsky today. Both were/are claimed to be Jews, homosexual, insane, morally corrupt and without humanity. Both supposedly worked/work for world domination and lusted/lust for mass murder. Both were/are alleged to be working for the Establishment. Mein Kampf and Last Thrust to the South are declared evil twins. WE ARE REPEATING HISTORY! Is the correlation of the charges just coincidence? We all know the reputation of the Jewsmedia regarding truth. Zhirinovsky deserves the benefit of our doubts. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. Article 6253 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan10.134029.7757@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 10 Jan 94 13:40:29 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan9.140310.7725@msus1.msus.edu> <1994Jan09.233731.13825@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> <1994Jan9.190327.7729@msus1.msus.edu>,<1994Jan10.030927.17275@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 9 Ken Mcvay writes: >You have been far too busy establishing yourself as a Genuine BadGuy ... Oooh! Oooh! I'm a "Genuine BadGuy." The Forces of Hate have given me a label. -- HERMANN Article 6272 of alt.revisionism: Xref: oneb alt.skinheads:3947 alt.revisionism:6272 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan10.200604.7774@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 10 Jan 94 20:06:04 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2gnidf$di9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, , Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 24 Barry Shein writes: >Is the depth of reasoning here merely that when the NY Times reports >something Hermann finds agreeable about Zhirinovsky then they are >telling the truth and he quotes it, but when it's something he finds >disagreeable then they are lying kike bastards? >And, I suppose, that he simply does not believe that Zhironovsky made >contradictory statements so THEREFORE (hah) someone must be >fabricating his quotes? I simply state that either the reporting entity, or the subject, is lying. Many other statements, particularly before Zhirinovsky was recognized as a threat, are totally inconsistent with what he is claimed to be, in short, an egomaniac opportunist. Why do *you* quote a source when it is favorable to you, but disregard con- tradictory citations, as you accuse me of doing? BTW, the New York Times was only *one* of the several sources I could quote from for the VVZ quotes I cited in my article. -- HERMANN Article 6278 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Another Question "Hermann" Will Never Answer? Message-ID: <1994Jan10.210941.7777@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 10 Jan 94 21:09:41 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2gsifv$g0k@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 7 Danny Keren asks: >So, "Hermann", did Himmler make this speech or not? No, I do not believe Heinrich Himmler made the speech. -- HERMANN Article 6299 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: "Hermann" Accuses Me of Using His Disinformation Techniques Message-ID: <1994Jan11.110936.7791@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 11:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2gtrlj$gai@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 11 Danny Keren writes: >BTW, what about the Hitler 1939 speech, in which he explicitly >said that in the event of a new war the Jews of Europe will be >exterminated? You probably saw it on TV one time or another. >Don't tell me you deny that one? You can read into his words whatever you like. It still doesn't validate your extermination claims. -- HERMANN Article 3973 of alt.skinheads: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <1994Jan11.111915.7794@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 11:19:14 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan8.154500.7715@msus1.msus.edu>,<2gt6ft$bbc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 20 Omri Schwarz responds to me: >>Of course a pro-White activist cannot reconcile Christianity (as you under- >>stand it) with White pride and White Power. >How she understands it? You mean "the extent to which she remembers that line >'Love thy neighbor'?" >How do you understand it? The National Socialist German government promoted a form of Christianity called "Positive Christianity." The "Christianity" the poster means is a servile, self-destructive ideology, the kind promoted by the Churchians with the complete support of the Jews. National Socialism is largely based upon the principle "Love Thy Neighbor." But we also recognize God's Natural Law requires our neighbor to be the same race. -- HERMANN Article 6305 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!nic.hookup.net!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan11.130500.7797@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 13:04:59 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan9.190327.7729@msus1.msus.edu> <2gkqcq$p5r@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 34 Barry Shein writes: >Hermann, face it, all you will ever understand or respect is the >bottom of a boot. Don't project your brutal mentality into my head. I am normally compassion- ate and merciful towards others, but when the circumstances call for it, I am cold and calculating. >>They don't post because they are not willing to subject themselves to hateful >>personal -- sometimes obscene -- attacks by elements of your camp. >Yes, I am sure that's just what nazi thugs are worried about, the lack >of polite conversation... I would love to be able to have a reasonable, productive debate on the Net, but in the beginning, it was your camp that attacked me without provocation, and the assault has not let up since. Your side demonstrated that any dissent on the Holocaust Myth would bring about no-holds-barred attacks, usually of an ad hominem nature. >Just who do you think you are kidding? >It's hard to imagine what must go thru your head...white-supremacist, >jew-hating nazis with delicate sensibilities...yow. I don't give a damn whether you and your fellow Jews, and the fools who follow your gang, think I'm a decent person. My family, my girlfriend, my comrades, my friends and co-workers -- only their opinions count. I will not falsify history, I will not subscribe to politically-correct views of race and the Jews to gain acceptance and approval. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. Article 6306 of alt.revisionism: Xref: oneb alt.skinheads:3975 alt.revisionism:6306 Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!news.cic.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan11.132851.7799@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 13:28:50 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2gnidf$di9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Jan9.131142.7723@msus1.msus.edu> <1994Jan9.185557.7727@msus1.msus.edu>, Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 12 VLADISLAV writes: >For once, I can really spoof this guy! Zhirinovsky said those same things >in an interview to a RUSSIAN TV program, and I happened to watch it (I speak >the language). So "Jew York Times" did not lie. Miltie, come down, have >some vodka, remember Zhirinovsky, and go to bed. Did you actually hear the words of VVZ, or someone "quoting" him? Further, why should we believe you? You are a biased source. -- HERMANN Article 6307 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Hermann's Invisible Army [was Re: Is VVZ genuine?] Message-ID: <1994Jan11.132557.7798@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 13:25:56 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan9.190327.7729@msus1.msus.edu> <2gkqcq$p5r@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <1994Jan9.140310.7725@msus1.msus.edu>,<1994Jan09., <1994Jan10.132158.7755@msus1.msus.edu>, Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 114 Christopher J. Hoover responds to me: >>So you're more numerous. Does that mean you have more credibility? Hell >>no! Might does not make right. >This somehow proves you _right_? Iiiiiii don't think so, Tim. Jack ass, *your* side implied that your numerity gave credibility to your claims. >>Your side is more vocal. Your obsessive whining and greater resources give >>the false impression that your side is more important than it really is. >Please. The preponderance of the available evidence gives most thinking >people the _correct_ impression that the "side" that suggests that the >wholesale slaughter of millions _happened_ in the name of National >Socialism is important because what it says is true. Curious term. "Correct," but not factual. The phrase "correct impression" reminds me an awful lot of stuff I read in _1984_. >Do you truly believe that National Socialism is a more significant force >than the truth, Hermann? No, National Socialism adjusts itself to fit truth/reality. It is your side that places the Holocaust Myth above truth. >>>>We are confident that good people who don't post find our material >>>>valuable. >>>I hate to point this out, but your "good" friends probably don't post >>>because (a) they can't read and (b) they can't write. >>They don't post because they are not willing to subject themselves to hateful >>personal -- sometimes obscene -- attacks by elements of your camp. >Hi, Hermann. You don't know me. I'm just an average net denizen who >posts the odd request for help to a couple of comp.* groups, trades >guitar tablatures, and contributes every once and a while to the Usenet >Oracle. I've been reading alt.revisionism since Gannon came back onto >the net, for amusement, mostly. I generally find the rantings of your >lot good for an ironic chuckle or two. Mostly I lurk. I don't have the >archives that McVay has, or the gift for discourse that others like >Keren, McFee, and others have. >But it was your above claims that the silent majority who read >alt.revisionism are on your side that have prompted me to unlurk, to >stand up and be counted. You have the gall to claim that you "are >confident that good people who don't post find our material valuable." >I would beg to differ. You are but *one* person. A hundred will prove me wrong. >And don't delude yourself. While polls indicate that some people are >susceptible to your propaganda, never forget that the overwhelming >majority of the people in this country know better, and have no interest >in National Socialism in the American agenda. Another LA riot or two will change opinion real fast. >You think all us lurkers agree with you, and that "they don't post because >they are not willing to subject themselves to hateful personal -- >sometimes obscene -- attacks by elements of your camp?" >Think again. I, for one, have lurked mostly because a) I don't have the >time to respond as effectively as some of the folks I've listed above, and... I never said all "lurkers" agree with me. I'd estimate that 40-50% agree with your side, 10-15% with my side, and the rest are reading this group out of curiosity. If I plant the *slightest* doubt in the "fence-sitters," my mission is accomplished. Little doubt grows into big doubt, especially when it concerns a religion. >...b) I wasn't terribly thrilled at the notion of being mail-bombed by the >net's Nazi contingent. Don't give me this crap. There is no evidence that anyone from our side has used any sort of electronic terrorism against your side. >The following, pulled from another of your posts, is just icing on the >cake, and shows your true colors: >>The Jewish instigation of two World Wars, the Jewish inspired and directed >>annihilation of millions of Russians and Ukrainians (a great deal more than >>your alleged "6 million") on racial and ideological grounds, the deliberate >>effort to corrupt and destroy White cultures with the intended end of bio- >>logical genocide of the Aryan race... >Such a bigoted, idiotic reading of history would be laughable were the >spectres it summons not so chilling. You are afraid of the truth. Want a clearer statement of my beliefs? I'm not ashamed of my beliefs: I am a National Socialist, an admirer of the greatest leader of the 20th cenutry, Adolf Hitler, a pan-Aryanist racial separatist, a critic of the criminal state of Israel, a denier of the mythical "6 million"... >...you might _almost_ make me ashamed...of my German ancestry. You should be ashamed to apologize for the people who tried hard to totally annihilate your racial cousins and their culture, whom you claim to have proud links to. >So tell me, Herr Kleim: am I a Jewish tool, part of a grand conspiracy >against pure Aryans like you? Am I a lackey of the "Forces of Hate?" >Or am I just a guy with a computer and a newsfeed in South Dakota who >happens to have had enough of your garbage, and has decided to lend one >more small voice to the telling of the truth? You're just a fool who cannot see beyond the propaganda taught to you. -- HERMANN Article 6308 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is VVZ genuine? Message-ID: <1994Jan11.133635.7801@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 11 Jan 94 13:36:35 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Jan9.195244.7730@msus1.msus.edu> <2gpu1l$i2a@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <1994Jan10.133758.7756@msus1.msus.edu>,<2gt15u$34l@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 12 Richie Schultz: Where did I "contradict myself?" He writes: >Which is completely beside the point that Stalin was not only not Jewish, he >was an anti-Semite. Yeah, right. An "anti-Semite" with a proud Jew as a right hand man. -- HERMANN Article 6798 of alt.revisionism: Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Game, Perhaps? Message-ID: <1994Jan28.091720.8190@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 28 Jan 94 09:17:20 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2i8l1p$d3n@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 57 Danny Keren, propagandist for the Jewish Occupation Forces-United States, responds to me: ># This is idiocy of the first rate, the product of the mind of either ># a simpleton or a propagandist. >Oh boy, hermie is mad. I'm not mad, just contemptuous of your habitual lying. >After being exposed as a lying idiot re the Himmler speech... You have "exposed" nothing, proven nothing, done nothing besides promote hatred and bigotry against the German, Ukrainian, Baltic and other peoples with your Hoaxocaust tale. >after miserably failing to answer *one* question posed to him... Let the world see Danny Keren lie again. I have answered many questions from Keren and his fellow liars. >after ridiculing himself re the "T4" murders (he admits >gas was used, but insists that there were no gas chambers; how about >"gassing rooms"?)... Keren here insists upon confusing the issue, the tactic of a liar who has no foundation to stand upon. I have said that gas masks, hoses, and gas cylinders were used in the Tiergartenstrasse 4 euthanasia program. >Anyway, hermie avoids the debate... Keren makes it impossible to debate. Any intelligent individual realizes that it is impossible to debate liars who refuse to adhere to reasonable forensic rules, and reject valid claims from their detractors. >Stop being a coward: say that you know the Holocaust happened... Since the "Holocaust" did *not* happen, I will not proclaim that it did. >Hell, everybody knows very well that this is what you really think. [That I wish to see the Jews eliminated] Typical smears again. You *know* what I think? Well, we of the revisionist side know what *you* think, and who you really are: a propagandist for the Anti-Defamation League, the infamous psycho-terror organization that regularly violates the civil rights of countless of its critics of the Jews and the critics of the criminal state of Israel, as well as heretics the Holocaust RELIGION. Danny Keren's postings are seen by any objective individual as what they are: a campaign of hate and disinformation. -- HERMANN -- No Guilt for being White -- No Remorse for crimes that did not occur or I did not commit From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Fri Feb 4 12:27:10 PST 1994 Article: 7099 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Holocaust: A Balloon Without Gas Message-ID: <1994Feb3.082932.8320@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 3 Feb 94 08:29:31 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <2ip45l$4o4@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 48 Danny Keren, propagandist for the Jewish Occupation Forces-United States, writes: >It is hardly a surprise that "Hermann", after being caught lying >and contradicting himself so many times, retreated into reposting >Gannon's old rubbish. I repost material from Dan's BBS because it very relevant -- and utterly damaging to your side's arguments. Anyone who reads this group, and does not have an inherent, irrational bias against the truth, knows exactly who is lying: YOU. >He doesn't even try to answer the questions posed to him any more... I have answered many questions of yours. Just because you "forgot" my answers, or refuse to accept my arguments does not mean I didn't answer you. >As noted before, the attempt to claim that the SS - in 1943 - would >have "difficulties" in using HCN gas to kill people is utterly stupid. >Gas chambers using exactly the same gas for execution were built >in the US as early as 1920. Certainly. But no one claims that the US chambers "gassed" six million indi- viduals. >It is quite amusing to see how "revisionists" change their opinions >about the "technical problems" gassing involves. It is quite amusing to see how the Mythologists continue to retreat on their "Holocaust" claim: from four million to only one million "gassed" at Auschwitz. What other "Holocaust truths" will your side abandon next? >They used to claim, for years, that it would have been dangerous to use HCN >in the Auschwitz gas chambers. It would have been extremely dangerous to use Zyklon B for the extermination of humans in the rooms your side claims are "gas chambers." >...(utterly stupid, of course; HCN is far from being appropriate for this >task [of delousing clothing and equipment] Then are you going to claim that Zyklon B was invented by the Germans solely to "gas" Jews (and Gypsies, Slavs, etc., etc., etc., although these others are mentioned only once for every 100 times the "extermination of the Jews" is mentioned)? Zyklon B was designed for the extermination of lice, not Jews. -- HERMANN From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!gumby!yale!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com!harry Sat Feb 5 16:04:41 PST 1994 Article: 7157 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!gumby!yale!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com!harry From: harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) Subject: Milton Kleim Caught in a Lie! Message-ID: <1994Feb4.232247.6511@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] References: <1994Feb3.082932.8320@msus1.msus.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 23:22:47 GMT Lines: 54 In article <2ip45l$4o4@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, Danny Keren wrote: It is quite amusing to see how "revisionists" change their opinions about the "technical problems" gassing involves. They used to claim, for years, that it would have been dangerous to use HCN in the Auschwitz gas chambers. They claimed to "prove" this beyond doubt. However, as they admit, there are still cyanide traces in the remains of the gas chambers. So what do the crackpots claim now? That the HCN was indeed used in them, but for "disinfecting corpses" (utterly stupid, of course; HCN is far from being appropriate for this task). Naturally, all the "proofs" that HCN could not have been used in the chambers are quietly flushed down the toilet. In article <1994Feb3.082932.8320@msus1.msus.edu>, hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU changes what Mr. Keren wrote in order to attack it. First he quotes Mr. Keren accurately: They used to claim, for years, that it would have been dangerous to use HCN in the Auschwitz gas chambers. But in his next "quote" of Mr. Keren's post, he leaves out the actual text and adds his own in square brackets: ...(utterly stupid, of course; HCN is far from being appropriate for this task [of delousing clothing and equipment] Now let's take a look at what Mr. Keren actually wrote, the part that Herr Hermann felt obligated to delete: So what do the crackpots claim now? That the HCN was indeed used in them, but for "disinfecting corpses" (utterly stupid, of course; HCN is far from being appropriate for this task). Note how Herr Hermann has changed "disinfecting corpses" into "delousing clothing and equipment." And he has the chutzpah to call Mr. Keren and other defenders of historical truth liars! Harry Katz From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com!harry Sat Feb 5 16:05:26 PST 1994 Article: 7153 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com!harry From: harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) Subject: Re: Cult of Death, Cult of Hatred Message-ID: <1994Feb4.221801.3703@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] References: <1994Feb3.102221.8323@msus1.msus.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 22:18:01 GMT Lines: 48 In article <94033.140648U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, U19807@uicvm.uic.edu (Chris Krolczyk) commented on Herr Hermann's reposting of drivel originally posted by Dan Gannon: It's rather obvious that Miltie Kleim is taking reposting lessons from Dan Gannon. Lesson #1 apparently states that "the more you repeat an utter load of bullshit, the less it should smell offensive due to repeated exposure". In article <1994Feb3.102221.8323@msus1.msus.edu>, hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU retorts: Sorry Chris. We don't take lessons from Danny Keren and Ken McOyVey. Herr Hermann displays his only argument against the truth -- making fun of other people's names. Of course, his own name could also be twisted around and made to sound funny, but that would not be fair to all those people named Kleim who are honest and decent human beings. Dan [Gannon] and I only post truth;... If these posts are so full of "truth" then why do they have to post and repost them time and time again as if they wanted to ram it down our throats? Implied in these last two statements is an assertion that Mr. Keren and Mr. McVay do not post the truth. Herr Hermann has never been able to prove that what they post is not true, whereas they have many times pointed out the lies and half-truths in their posts. But what can you expect from someone whose best argument is to make fun of his opponents' names? ...we're sorry if its fresh, clean scent offends your putrid mind. According to the recent poll of innocent bystanders that Herr Hermann instigated and supported, most people think that it's his and Dan Gannon's posts that stink of garbage! Then again, to a cockroach garbage smells like a "fresh, clean scent" and soap smells "putrid!" Harry Katz From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Fri Feb 11 20:18:48 PST 1994 Article: 7504 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: My motives Message-ID: <1994Feb10.110245.8474@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 10 Feb 94 11:02:44 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 142 Barry Shein writes: >I believe (b), although a person can convince himself of something >quite false over time as it is easier than admitting to themselves >they are living a lie. This goes for those who believe in the "Holocaust" tale and racial equality as well. >But I believe what motivates folks like Gannon and Hermann are one or >more of the following: >1. For whatever reason they are true-blue Nazis. They are involved >in the organization. They believe (for some reason) that the Nazi >party shall lead the USA and other countries. I am a National Socialist because my philosophy represents the most viable and sound system for White survival and prosperity. I reject the Marxo- Capitalist system, with its false democracy, cultural degeneracy, and social corruption. >They also believe that there is this annoying little memory (The >Holocaust)... There is the blatant lie of the "Holocaust," and we will continue to declare what it is to the world. >So, they try to rehabilitate the Nazi image. We contradict the lies and false beliefs your side promotes about National Socialism, the German people, and World War II history. >Since they believe that lying to people "for their own good" is their >god-given right and something Goebbells himself would be proud of they >are trying to show their peers what good Nazis they are in promoting this >lie. Please offer us documentation for your claim that National Socialism advo- cates lying and deception to the People. I would say that true National Socialists have never held as policy the use of falsehood and deception. >Their ultimate fantasy is that the war is not over, they have not lost, >they've just, um, regrouped. Your side's fantasy is to be rid of all opposition to your political and social dogmas, including to the Holocaust Myth. In a way, National Socialists have "regrouped." The German Armed Forces lost the war, not National Socialism. Any doubters I would suggest con- tact the ADL about worldwide "neo-Naziism" immediately. >2. They have a real personal grudge against Jews... I have no personal grudge against Jews. I will not tolerate quietly and meekly, however, the detrimental influence Jewry exercises over the media and government of the White world. The Aryan race has the right to self- determination, and Jewish influence impedes that, just as Aryan control of Jewry would be intolerable to Jews. >Notice how they hardly ever bother to address the genocide of the >Gypsies (or others) by the Nazis. It's just jooos, jooos, jooos, (or >the codeword: zionist.) Hey! Wait a minute. We aren't the ones who ignore the suffering and deaths of others, during World War II or at other times. It is the Jewish- controlled media. For every single time we hear of the slaughter of the Armenians, or the Ukrainians, or the Cambodians, we see the "Holocaust" shoved in the world's face at least a hundred times. How many films about the Ukrainian famine or the Cambodian genocide or the Stalinist and Maoist mass murders are there? How many museums? How many high school classes have "famine studies?" How many people even *know* about these other real and alleged crimes? Why are the Jews so special? Why the spotlight on them? >The obsession comes through loud and clear. Look who's obsessed with the "six million?" >So why do they hate jews so much? I do not hate Jews as Jews, but rather as members of a corrupting influence upon my people. Although most Jews see me as a personification of evil, and while it is true that occasionally I will insult a Jew as a Jew, I am little different from any normal individual on your side. Denying the humanity of a true National Socialist is nothing more than a propaganda tactic. If you and I met in person, Barry, and we did not know each other, I'm sure we would be on the friendliest of terms, even if I knew you were a Jew. >Could be any number of reasons, from honest-to-god deeply seated racial >hatred to maybe their ex-wife's divorce lawyer was jewish and reamed them, >or something like that maybe a jewish boss once fired them or similar. The >kinds of things people can hold a real, deep grudge over. Particularly when >they're trying desparately to deny that it's their own fault that whatever >happened happened. >I think this kind of thing may have been what got someone like Gannon >and Hermann started. Education got me started. I learned about the lies and fables Americans are taught while doing research in my junior college library in California. I was at first shocked and dumbfounded, but then angered, to discover that my society -- and I -- had been deceived so completely about the most important issues of racial survival and social health. Initially I was confused about the motives for the deception, but after even more research, I came to understand why we have been deceived, and why any effort to educate others is met with a vicious campaign of misinformation and hate. >3. Hermann I think is just your standard angry young man out to shock >people. Sometimes the truth is incredibly shocking, but provoking emotion is not my purpose. I could deliver the truth about the Holocaust Myth, the Jews, and race much more smoothly -- for wider appeal -- but subterfuge is not part of my tactics. >Waving around Nazi regalia and claiming something like the >Holocaust didn't happen or whatever might shock today is a >time-honored tradition. I don't have any uniforms, any flags, any regalia. I am not a "Hollywood Nazi." I have knowledge. It is a powerful tool, as is evidenced by the effect of what I write on my opponents, and by the many e-mail inquiries I have received in the past few months from individuals interested in revisionism. >So Hermann is pleased whenever he shocks, whenever he exercises his >manhood (which he is desparately trying to prove to himself... If I wanted to "prove my manhood," I would join the military or an SCSU athletic team or go hunting every weekend. I have nothing to prove gender- wise. I realize it is very difficult for you to understad that Dan and I are not playing a game here, but that's your problem. We see a higher righteous purpose in our efforts, which is why we endure the crap we receive. In fact, the hate of my detractors has strengthened my resolve. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Sat Feb 19 19:12:59 PST 1994 Article: 7910 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Real Greens Message-ID: <1994Feb18.113138.8636@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 18 Feb 94 11:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 139 WE ARE -- OR SHOULD BE -- THE REAL GREENS There is a conspicuous absence of any significant discussion of ecologically oriented matters within the movement for White racial survival. This lack of focus on the environment must be remedied. ------ Since the 1960's, when it first began to expand into a mass phenomenon, environmentalism has been tinted with a distinct shade of crimson. A dearth of racialist thinkers, from Nordicist anarchists to National Socialists, whose silence has given a heavy leftist tilt to the philosophical under- pinnings and activities of the "Green" movement, has allowed it to be cap- tured by a herd of neo-Marxists, "Eco-Buddhists," and other assorted baffoons. The classic focus of ecology, the study of organisms' functioning within their environments, has been fused with various interracist concerns, from advocacy of global government to agit-propism against "environmental racism." Because our ideological opponents control and guide present-day environ- mentalism, they are able to exploit justifiable ecological concerns to further their morbid agenda. In so doing, they discredit environmentalism in the eyes of those who would believe in sound preservation principles to protect the genetic diversity and other natural resources which guarantees the continuity of the elements we need to survive, yet cannot accept the devious program of corrupt bureaucrats and other parasitical entities. Few seem to know that the modern enivironmentalist movement has roots intertwined with those of racialism. As noted by British historian Dr. Anna C. Bramwell in her _Ecology in the Twentieth Century: A History_ (Yale University Press, 1989), early theorists of Nordicism came up with many ideas identical to those espoused by today's environmentalists. Her 1984 article, "Is This Man 'Father of the Greens'?" (_History Today_, September 1984, pp. 7-13), and book, _Blood and Soil: Walther Darre and Hitler's "Green Party"_ (Kensal Press, 1985), demonstrates that much of Green thought was first created by the Third Reich's Minister of Agriculture. Furthermore, Robert Proctor says in his _Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis_ (Harvard University Press, 1988), "the Nazis provided support for areas that today would be considered alternative, organic, holistic, or otherwise heterodox -- areas such as ecology, toxiclogy, and environmental science." This reality is inconsistent with the false notions held of National Socialism by most members of our society. Richard Walther Darre popularized the idea of "Blut und Boden," refer- ring to the holistic interaction of inhabitants and habitat. The blood and soil duality, based upon traditions as old as the Germanic peoples who possessed and nurtured them, has the potential to generate a prolonged spiritual awakening, which every member of our race so desperately needs, along with a healthier, sustainable way of life. Darre denounced capitalism, as well as the urbanization, mass mechaniza- tion, and pseudo-culture which go along with it. He advocated planned, step-by-step deindustrialization and its replacement by an updated version of a Jeffersonian agrarian society. Organic farming methods, with occasional applications of advanced technology on small hereditary land holdings was his goal. In view of today's urban demographics, Darre's proposal to organize rural dwellers into an army to blockade and strangle cosmopolitan cities is not as impractical as it seems. ------ Examining the racial and environmental trends of past civilizations, the concerned White activist must conclude that this constantly expanding, life-smothering civilization of ours will soon come crashing down. While voluntary renunciation of the unnecessary but hedonistic products of con- temporary Western civilization may be unpalatable to many, the only choice we have to avoid the full brunt of the attrition and decay affecting today's social order could be to cut ourselves off from it as much as possible, and adapt ourselves to an alternative, organic way of life. Civilization breeds an arrogance that leads men and women to believe that they can permanently circumvent Nature's immutable commands. The more "civilized" humans become, the more arrogance they usually develop. This arrogance, attributable in part to the extreme domestication brought about by a lack of regular interaction with un- or partially tamed Nature, often causes people to avoid undertaking necessary life-sustaining measures until it is too late. Nature must be viewed not as an "empire" to be conquered and manipulated, but rather as a "friend." All must seriously ponder what is more important to us: the lust for an ever more complex and dominating technology or the concentration of our capabilities on racial survival. Of course modern technology is helpful in warding off foes, but allowing technics to set the rules of our existence will sap what remains of Aryans' spiritual strength. The creator must wrest control back from the created. ------ Our primary objective must be to develop a system for continuing the evolution of the bio-cultural entity that is our race. Our secondary objectives should be the reduction of rabid consumptionism and other types of ecological destruction. Our foremost efforts must be on behalf of our people, as we have neither the human or financial capital, nor even the potential to reverse on a wide-scale the deleterious influence of the prevailing paradigm on this planet. Lindbergh was right to ask, "Is civilization progress?" Let no one attempt to evade confrontation with this question by denouncing the nay- sayer as an un-Faustian Luddite. The widely held world view which promotes this illusory "progress" must be tossed into the Jewish junkheap, along with Judeo-Christianity, capitalism, and their lethal spawn. Catastrophic population reduction and infrastructure disintegration is inevitable, through either human or natural causes. Building self-sustaining, defensible islands in a chaotic, hostile sea is what survival requires. Everyone on our side, regardless of ability or education, must develop a stronger knowledge about and comprehension of ecology, and demonstrate it. Merely joining an environmentalist group obviously does not serve our needs, as organizations of tradition and stature such as the Sierra Club and the Wilderness Society function in the "multicultural" morass. Only efforts to foster ecological understanding and awareness -- in all matters -- will bear fruit. Visionary work that treads in the footsteps of the philosophical frontier opened up by European Nordicists early this century should by the order of the day. True environmentalism holds vast potential for ourselves individually and our people collectively -- biologically, culturally, and spiritually. Our future is green. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above is an adaptation of the original text of my article published in _Instauration_, September 1993, p. 6, signed because of editorial policy with my pseudonym "HERMANN." -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. ------------------------- Instauration Post Office Box 76 Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 Sample issue: $4 ------------------------- From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Sat Feb 19 19:13:13 PST 1994 Article: 7911 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: A new Way Message-ID: <1994Feb18.113206.8637@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 18 Feb 94 11:32:04 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 292 If we are to survive the coming apocalypse... WE MUST ADOPT A RADICAL NEW PHILOSOPHY "Civilization" in the narrow sense means a society based upon cities; in the broader sense, a merging of the most productive elements of different cultures without regard for holism or the organic environment necessary for the creation and sustenation of such culture. "Western Civilization" is an artificial construct, linking sound values with bankrupt traditions, serving ultimately to the detriment of our people. Celebration of the this delusive inorganic body, the basis of both our racial and ecological crises, glorifies the largely forgotten destruction of the old Northern cultures, which were diametrically opposed in many instances to the historical and present-day ideas of civilization. Many Aryan racialists have a misguided predilection for worshiping the "West" and all it stands for. While remarkable similarities exist between the Indo-European cultures, and a great deal has been contributed to our knowledge from the Greco-Roman world, this moribund "Western Civilization," despite the undeniable racial kinship of its founders with our ancestors, should be considered as alien as cultures wholly from outside Europe. Alfred Rosenberg stated: In sad imitation of the Greek spirit, admittedly related to ours in many respects, we have shifted the emphasis of our lives outside ourselves; we have used the standards of another people to measure our own achievements, and we have forgotten in doing so that people, like personalities, can never be measured by the _same_ standard. [1] We may admire -- even utilize, as we do -- many aspects of Mediterranean culture, but we should not weigh the legitimacy of *our* Celto-Germano- Slavic cultures by playing along with an intellectual fallacy. The prevailing destructive spirit of Western Civilization is its arrogant attitude towards the natural Order. In an extraordinary article, "The Unnatural Jew" [2], Steven Schwarzschild reveals with pride the origin of this spirit: The main line of Jewish philosophy...has paradigmatically defined Jewishness as alienation and confrontation with nature...Jewish philosophy and culture followed a more "unnatural" path. God and man are totally distinct from and superior to nature. [3] Schwarzschild concludes: I began by calling myself an urban man for more than half a millenium. It turns out, surprisingly, that as a Jew I have been an unnatural man much longer. [4] Opposed to this, one may look back to pre-Christian European traditions and discover a lifestyle in true harmony with Nature, devoid of an ego- maniacal dominating will, yet still capable of producing an advanced culture and chivalrous beliefs. Our ancestors were wiser than us when they possessed our original, race-inspired religion. The Levantine invasion deprived us of much more than financial freedom. That even an exponent of the radical environmentalist "Deep Ecology" movement, Paul Shepard, understands the conflict can be seen in his statement: The only alternative visible to me now is northern...The _desert mind_, a Platonic, prophetic, self-centering, dualistic, schizoid, eco-alienating way of being, could not have been less like the Germanic, Celtic, and Scandinavian _way_ that it eventually quashed. [5] Egomania is a train of thought embraced by individuals with infantile ethics. Judaic thought symbolizes such an egotism. Throughout its history its strivings have converted beauty into ugliness, order into chaos, art into commodities, Nature into "civilization," and ultimately, life into death. An intensely dynamic will is characteristic of the Aryan, but while creative and virtuous, this strong will is tempered by self-control, leading to a respect for powers higher than itself, and remaining in harmony with the unknowable and beneficial forces of Nature. The self-sufficient, dominating will, represented most perfectly by Jewish-inspired egomania, disregards necessary links between it and the surrounding community of life. Essentially, it dejustifies its own existence by denying the reality of the natural Order of which it is eternally part. One may contrast the Northern "will to power" against Oriental passivity. When the Northern infection by Judaic traditions is taken into account, however, it is clear that Europeans and Orientals share a great many things. Contrasted to them is the cosmopolitan man, the Jew -- standing alone. As with the emphasis upon a hyperactive will, the false non-biological dichotomy between male and female is also an adoption from Judaic traditions. I challenge anyone to provide solid evidence, from pre- or anti-Christian sources, that our Aryan ancestors possessed such a disruptive, dangerous idea. On the contrary, as Hilda R. Ellis Davidson demonstrates in her book, _Gods and Myths of Northern Europe_ [6], our ancestors held the antithesis of this male-female divisiveness, cooperating as they did with Nature and all members of the community for the survival of all, most importantly those of the female sex. Contempt for women pervades "civil- ized" thought, and is a carryover from the Talmud, with its infamous designation of Gentile women as pieces of meat, or its tirades masquerading as "prayers" thanking God for not "making me a woman." The Jewish paradigm has been part of European philosophy for well over two millenia. It has become most blatant in the past two centuries, as modern technology, driven by pursuit of money, expands exponentially and adversely affects the lives of all within its grasp. The linking of the manipulative spirit with the dynamic capabilities of the Aryan peoples has become a soul- wrenching nightmare for every society on Earth. While the desire for knowledge and understanding has always been in our genes, our healthy quest to understand the beautiful world around us is corrupted by the Judeo-Christian philosophical monstrosity. Our drive to question Why? and How? is perverted into a tool for the advancement of materialistic ends. As if they had nothing better to do, the best of Northern minds are devoted to dominating Nature. It is natural for humans to create art. The creation of personal tools -- technology -- is art, a manifestation of culture. Most peoples throughout history have observed and discovered the wondrous processes of Nature, and have fashioned elements of these processes into life-promoting tools suited for the individual. The Aryan of course has been most prolific at this. However, the Jews, and those infected with their noxious spirit, are notorious for developing only "tools" -- systems -- such as usury banking, that are suited only for the manipulation of a whole society and are not only useless, but detrimental to the productive work of the individual artisan. Those who revere Nature tend to subscribe to "microapplications" of technology -- that which is personally usable. Those who view Nature and all its parts, including human beings, as objects to be controlled, tend to subscribe to "macroapplications" of technology, which influence whole communities, regions, even the whole planet. Nobel laureate Phillip Lenard wrote: [T]he successes of technology have produced a particular form of arrogant material craze. The exploitation of practical possi- bilities provided by the understanding of nature gave rise to the notion of the 'mastery' of nature: 'Man has slowly become master of nature.' Such expressions in the manner of spiritually impover- ished grand technicians have gained much influence through the ostentation made possible by new techniques. And the effect of the all-undermining alien spirit that has penetrated physics and mathe- matics has been to strengthen that influence. [7] By "alien spirit," Lenard was of course referring to the Jewish spirit. After a people is infected by this spirit, their natural instincts are suppressed; they become "domesticated." Once this occurs, the intricate beauty of Nature, vastly more complex than any -- even all -- of mankind's machinery, becomes an entity to be manipulated to one's grandiose concep- tualizations. Quoting Lenard once again: Respect for the great teacher and judge Nature will always remain the first mark of true natural research. [8] Nature's wildness should be a model for humankind's ways. Nature combines the lack of a fixed matrix with the mathematical complexity of DNA. Infinite variety is Nature's greatest strength, and lack of it techno-slavery's weakness. The machine, producer of mass-replicated pseudo-culture, disrupts this balance between order and chaos. In his _Autobiography of Values_, Charles Lindbergh commented: Real freedom lies in wildness, not civilization...As we lose our wild freedoms, we recognize their value in opposition to the tyranny of intellect. [9] Anthropocentric philosophy has led to the interracial "ideal," with its Nature-mocking humanistic altruism. This philosophical application has not been restricted to human ecology, but has struck a blow against all living communities. Humanism, and all other ideologies that deify human beings and attempt to raise them above the natural Order that is the origin of that life, are _life-denying_ and contemptuous of other forms of life of the plant and non-human animal kingdoms. Conquest usually has negative, sometimes deadly, consequences for the conquerors. Careless and sardonic disregard for specific boundaries and other delineations of the natural Order brings great suffering to later generations. Like children, we do not fully comprehend -- _and never will_ -- the natural Order, yet we violate the most sacrosanct processes of life with our new toys and ideas. We are deluged with artificial chemicals, particularly in our nourishment. We are saturated with elecromagnetic radiation from often useless appliances. Most ominous of all, the Pandora's box of genetic engineering has been opened. Just as it is wrong for humans to interfere in the habitat and lifeways of other races for unnecessary endeavors, it is equally wrong to interfere with life processes of Nature in other ways, such as disturbing wildlife populations, clear-cutting forests, and polluting bodies of water in the pursuit of wealth. Aryans should heed Heidegger, abandon their arrogance in trying to "improve" Nature's perfection, and learn to _let things be_. Our race's survival is not possible unless we secure victory on the spiritual-ideological battlefield *first*. The soul of our people is gravely ill; its regeneration is our primary task. It is naive to believe that we can make more than a small impact on the present political order. We cannot defeat the enemy on his territory, nor should we allow ourselves to become his ideological twin by adopting his tactics. It is time to face reality. Rather than strategizing about how to restore America, the intrusive beast that dominates this malevolent civilization, we should hope for its quick downfall. With the collapse of America and the civilization shored up by its gargantuan military murder machine will come hardship -- hardship so difficult as to bring countless visits of the Grim Reaper to those Third World myriads dependent upon America's economic solvency and agricultural products. With this apocalyptic transition, however -- which many of _us_ will undoubtedly not survive -- will come the freedom to "instaurate" our people and give them a new start, this time with the wisdom gained from twenty centuries of errors. The engulfing power of Western Civilization continues to foment our slow, lingering death. The sooner that power is abated, the greater the chance we have for perpetual survival. Only when America really _is_ dead, shall we be free. "Our territory" includes the realm of religion. While many are averse to the spiritual world, it is the naturalness and unmatchable energy which religion can provide that is of crucial importance. We have an overabun- dance of reason and intellect, on which Jews and their lackeys thrive. While a false faith based upon the various Jewish "religions" or a "scientific animism" is out of the question, a "theistic naturalism" is an appropriate beginning. Perhaps this is what the Northern beliefs would have become had their cultural evolution not been so brutally halted. Whatever we do, the Jewish-inspired anthropocentric "ethical" systems embraced by most of our cohorts must be discarded -- uprooted -- _as thoroughly as possible_. Our "new way" should be founded upon an intensive examination of our inner selves, upon the remnants of our native culture, and upon the new experiences we encounter while we are imbued with our new philosophy. The North, not Greece and Rome, is our home, ancestrally _and_ philosophically. One can learn much from a short time in a place with little or no human influence. The greatest classroom is under the blue or starry sky, among the trees, the flowers, the critters. Those who cannot understand this have succumbed to the delusions planted by those who wish us dead. Our ancestors understood Nature. We will live through their wisdom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SOURCES [1]: Alfred Rosenberg. _Der Voelkische Staatsgedanke: Untergang und Neugeburt_. (Muenchen: Franz Eher Nachfolger, 1924). Extensive excerpts translated and republished as "The Folkish Idea of State," in _Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation_, edited and translated by Barbara Miller Lane & Leila J. Rupp (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1978), p. 67. [2]: Steven S. Schwarzschild. "The Unnatural Jew," in _Environmental Ethics_, Volume 6, #4 (Winter 1984). [3]: _Ibid_, pp. 349, 354. [4]: _Ibid_, p. 362 [5]: Paul Shepard. "Homage to Heidegger," in _Deep Ecology_, edited by Michael Tobias (San Diego: Avant Books, 1985), p. 209. [6]: Hilda Roderick Ellis Davidson. _Gods and Myths of Northern Europe_ (New York: Penguin Books, 1990). [7]: Phillip Lenard. _Deutsche Physik, Band 1: Einleitung und Mechanik_ (Muenchen: J.F. Lehmann, 1936). Translated and cited in _Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics Community in the Third Reich, by Alan D. Beyer- chen (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1977), p. 137. Substantial excerpts also translated and republished as "The Limits of Science," in _Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural and Social Life in the Third Reich, edited by George L. Mosse (New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1966). [8]: Beyerchen, 137. [9]: Charles A. Lindbergh. _Autobiography of Values_. Edited by William Jovanovich & Judith A. Schiff (New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1978), p. 39. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above is an adaptation of the original text of my article published in _Instauration_, November 1993, pp. 10-11, signed because of editorial policy with my secondary pseudonym "RICHARD HENRY LEE." -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. ------------------------- Instauration Post Office Box 76 Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 Sample issue: $4 ------------------------- From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Tue Feb 22 21:21:51 PST 1994 Article: 7994 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac - One, by One, by One...(Conclusions) Message-ID: <1994Feb22.111252.8688@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 22 Feb 94 11:12:52 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Feb21.120002.14540@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 11 Ken Mcvay posts: >Archive/File: holocaust/miller conclusion >Last-Modified: 1994/02/04 In response, I say: NO GUILT, NO REMORSE -- NOW OR EVER. -- HERMANN From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Sun Feb 27 19:59:00 PST 1994 Article: 8224 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Revisionist Game Message-ID: <1994Feb27.194032.8831@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 27 Feb 94 19:40:31 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 73 Gordon McFee writes: >So, I put it to the "deniers". To the Dan Gannon's, the >Milton Kleim's, the Ricardo Joshua's. Explain succinctly and >inteligently why you deny. As I have said before, the criminal actions of European and World Jewry against Germany and other Aryan European states would have justified unparalleled brutal measures against Jewry. Had the "Holocaust" occurred, I would still not apologize for it, and would have no guilt whatsoever for my (non-existent) role as an Aryan in it. However, I do not believe in the so-called "Holocaust" (i.e. the deliberate and calculated extermination of Jewry in "gas chambers" as a policy of the legally and popularly elected National Socialist German government of Adolf Hitler). I have come to this conclusion after reading numerous works -- including many by Holocaust Myth defenders -- on the plight of the Jews under World War II German hegemony, and other works on the Jewish question from many times and places and from a wide-array of perspectives, even Jewish. As a student of Jewry, I have learned from the works of many renowned individuals (no, not National Socialists) that they have an unique -- often sinister -- disposition, with an attitude towards survival that the end justifies any means. The lie of the Holocaust is a manifestation of this adoption of the maxim "the ends justify the means." While it is acceptable for Jews to use this tactic, National Socialist Germany is damned for countering it. That Jewry would create a cleverly constructed Myth demonstrates that the measures taken by National Socialist Germany and her allies during the war, as well as ALL anti-Jewish measures by nearly every European nation throughout the past two millenia, *were and are justified*. >Tell me why the individuals I met in Germany lied to me. The persons whom you met may or may not have consciously lied to you. It is probable that the social coercion, displayed in subconscious conformity, of the overwhelming mythology of the Holocaust caused them to actually *believe* that their people were slaughtered by the Germans in "gas chambers." >Explain why the Nazis wrote all those documents. The genuine documents (like genuine photographs) presented as "proof" of the Holocaust prove nothing without annotation. Most of the other "documents" presented as "proof" are total or partial forgeries. >We are not "defenders", we are the decent people. Your side's actions prove otherwise. And if Holocaust defenders are the "decent people," why was someone like Mr. Hart, who showed utmost politeness and requested that no one "throw knives" at him, attacked and mocked for daring to have doubts about your "revealed truth" of the Holocaust? Why are peaceful people like Faurisson and Zundel attacked physically by thugs promoting the Holocaust? >We have nothing to "defend". Show us that you have nothing to defend. Stop posting your documents and your commentary in support of the Holocaust Myth. If we revisionists are liars, let our falsehoods collapse under their own weight of deceit. Or do you fear that the public will see the truth of our material... >racism, in all its ugly incarnations, must be opposed to the >bitter end. How about starting with Israel, the "racist blight" in the Middle East. Or Judaism, which spawns people like the maniacs who machine-gunned peaceful worshippers a couple days ago. Let the Jews, who have caused untold trouble to every host they have had (provoking "anti-Semitism" in the process), "show the way" and end *their* racist ways. If the Jews can do this, then the World *will* live in peace. -- HERMANN From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Sun Feb 27 20:34:03 PST 1994 Article: 8226 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!decwrl!decwrl!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A new Way Message-ID: <1994Feb27.201026.8832@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 27 Feb 94 20:10:26 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU References: <1994Feb18.113206.8637@msus1.msus.edu> <2kgl5r$5v5@netnews.alf.dec.com>,<1994Feb25.134806.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> Distribution: world Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 21 Tony Q. writes: > Indeed. > Jewish law permitted money-lending, Christian law didn't. Given >that Jews were not permitted to own land, they naturally turned to >this field, and grew rich on it as trade increased in the tenth and >eleventh centuries. So the usual story goes... Ho hum... > (Source: _The Day The Universe Changed_, James Burke) You quote James Burke; I draw on the works of Werner Sombart. Burke is proficient at producing superficial books and TV programs for the not-too-bright. > Milton, you're a fool. Thank you for your meaningless opinion. -- HERMANN
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