Archive/File: holocaust/deniers kleim.0394 Last-Modified: 1994/07/08 From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Tue Mar 1 23:35:28 PST 1994 Article: 8318 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Don't be absurd! Message-ID: <1994Mar1.181510.8876@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 1 Mar 94 18:15:09 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 16 John Baglow writes: >A third possibility is that he is in fact Milton Kleim Jr., with yet >another pseudonym. To investigate this, however, would require reading >numerous back issues of that bonehead journal, Instauration, a task I >don't wish on anyone. That's the *really* intelligent comment of the week! Me defending Turks... and Hell just froze over. I state for the record that I am not, have nothing to do with, and will never have anything to do with the so-called "Serdar Argic." -- HERMANN From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Thu Mar 3 16:18:43 PST 1994 Article: 8394 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Auf Wiedersehen! Message-ID: <1994Mar3.093141.8902@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 3 Mar 94 09:31:40 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 338 This will come as a surprise but I am leaving this group for an indefinite period. I leave voluntarily and without coercion of any kind. I leave because more important duties require my attention (duties which you will not have the privilege to know of). I must laugh at you Holocaust Myth defenders. I have won and you have lost. No, I didn't convince many of the points I presented, but yet I still won. You have wanted me off this group since the beginning; you have threatened me, attempted to insult me, tried psychologically to drive me from alt.revisionism, but yet after five months, I AM STILL HERE! I concede that little has been accomplished by my actions on this group. However, if I caused the doubt in the Holocaust Myth of only one person, my objective was achieved. Of course I have been overwhelmingly outnumbered by a motley crew of liars, misguided but well-meaning individuals, and the ever-present Jews, but my "experiment" has given me many insights into dealing with the ideological blight which plagues our society. I have made many mistakes -- factual, grammatical, and tactical -- but I have gained from these errors. I am stronger and wiser because my detractors have unwittingly taught me valuable lessons. I had hoped to post a major and possibly devastating rebuttal to the lies posted regarding the Holocaust Myth, but my new duties have put my research -- conducted since December -- on permanent hold. My accumulated material [*] that demonstrates the contradictory nature of the Holocaust "evidence," where the notorious "eyewitnesses" testify to infinitely different versions of impossible happenings, unsubstantiated subjective conclusions (usually based upon "findings" by other "historians") of "Holocaust scholars," and "certified true copies" of mimeographed copies of a microfilm copy of an "original" microfilm of a "certified true copy" of a "document" "captured" by the Soviets serves as "incontrovertible evidence" of "exterminations" via "gas chambers," "electro-chambers," and "steam- chambers" of a population of Jews whose numbers were grossly exaggerated, shall have to be used for my future endeavors. Unfortunately, my expertise, as I have said before, is *not* historical revisionism (it is National Socialism, racial science, and the Jewish Question); if it was, I could have much more easily have countered the deliberate falsehoods, and the foolish myths repeated incessantly by the slavish mass to please their Jewish masters. My inability to access many of the documents and other works I once possessed severely handicapped my assaults on the Holocaust Myth; my lack of preparation is a feeble but honest excuse for the inpotence I have shown against the zealous work and specialization Ken McVay and Danny Keren have performed. I entered this circus-like arena -- to be ridiculed and laughed at -- because it was necessary to speak up against relatively unchallenged intellectual sewage; as one of Arthur's maxims went, "Seeing the need, we assume the responsibility." The Jew rules only through fear, an atmosphere of conscious and subconscious terror permeating every facet of society generated by strategic planning, a socially-caustic mix of money, myth, media, and manipulative politics being the empowering dynamoes of the grand plan. The Jew can only be defeated with courage -- a rejection of the "Big Lies" which he spews, and the countering of this through the dissemination of truth and wisdom. Only blasphemy against Jew-worship infuriates him, for only the dismissal of the terrible fear instilled in nearly all of Gentile humankind can defeat him. I do not offer any apologies whatsoever for my beliefs. I offer no apologies for the expression of those beliefs on this group, or on alt.skinheads. I have revealed the heartfelt thoughts of a National Socialist with bold honesty. I have not been afraid to speak the truth. I end with encouragement and criticism for Dan Gannon. While I strongly support his efforts at disseminating the feared truth about the Holocaust Myth, I would recommend that he focus his posts and direct them to more specific groups. He has done good work in the past, and I wish him the best on the Net in the years to come. Der Sieg Wird Unser Sein! -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. The much hated "HERMANN" -- No Guilt -- No Remorse -- -- White Pride -- White Power! -- I reserve the right to respond to undue criticism of this post. This will be reposted once in the near future. ==================================================================================================================================== ==================================================================================================================================== * The following is a small sampling of the material I have gathered in the past two months. It is by no means exhaustive of any aspect of the Holocaust Myth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Unholy High Priests of the Holocaust Myth contradict themselves: "...there were no extermination camps on German soil..." [1] -- Simon Wiesenthal "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day." [2] -- Elie Wiesel ---------- An historian respected by the Holocaust Mythologists makes this absurd and impossible assertion: "...in the spring and early summer of 1942...hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, and Treblinka." [3] -- Martin Gilbert ---------- Although we are told constantly the value of "eyewitnesses" to "gassings," we learn this unexpected fact: "Filip Mueller's book is a unique document indeed: it is the testimony of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw." [4] -- Widely-respected Jewish historian Yehuda Bauer ---------- An example of the unreliability of "eyewitness testimony" is seen in a laughable claim cited by the most respected "Holocaust survivor" regarding the infamous Babi Yar: "Eyewitnesses say that for months after the killings the ground continued to spurt geysers of blood." [5] ---------- In a display of necessary "damage-control," Jewish historian Arno J. Mayer concedes points revisionists have forwarded: Although Holocaust Mythologists such as Deborah Lipstadt claim there can be no debate with "Holocaust Deniers," Mayer says this -- "...historians are expected to avow their own prejudices and to probe those of their sources. No less important, they invite critics, both friendly and hostile, to verify the authenicity and re- liability of their evidence as well as to debate the logic of their constructions and the coher- ence of their explanations." [6] "Holocaust scholars" assert that undeniable facts buttress the extermination thesis, yet in reality this "evidence" is phantasmic: "No written document containing or reporting an explicit command to exterminate the Jews has come to light thus far." [7] The following is part of the text of the famous letter from Goering to Heydrich of July 31, 1941, generally held as an early directive to "exterminate" the Jews -- "This is to supplement the assignment given to you in the decree of January 24, 1939, to solve the Jewish question by emigration or evacuation under the most favorable conditions possible given present circum- stances. I hereby charge you to make all the necessary administrative, practical, and financial prep- arations for a _Gesamtloesung_ of the Jewish question throughout Germany's European sphere of influ- ence." About which Mayer says -- "There is nothing in these instructions, either explicit or implicit, to indicate that by directing Heydrich to prepare an overall and definitive solution -- a final solution -- of the 'Jewish problem,' Goering was asking him to prepare for the immediate or eventual mass murder of Jews." [8] Although we are told that the evidence in support of homicidal gas chambers is "overwhelming," and that "eyewitnesses" can offer accurate accounts of happenings at the German camps, Mayer tells us -- "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable...No written orders for gassing have turned up thus far...Most of what is known is based on the depositions of Nazi officials and executioners at postwar trials and on the memory of survivors and bystanders. This testimony must be screened carefully, since it can be influenced by subjective factors of great complexity..." "...there is no denying the many contradictions, ambiguities, and errors in existing sources." [9] The standard line of the Holocaust Myth is that over a million Jews were "gassed" at Auschwitz, yet Mayer writes -- "...from 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by so-called 'natural' causes than by 'unnatural' ones." [10] We are assured by Holocaust Myth defenders that at least five million but closer to six million Jews were killed by the Germans. When asked how these numbers were established, obfuscation is dispensed. If one presses the Holocaust Myth defenders, he or she is accused of "anti-Semitism." Mayer is more honest concerning the facts -- "All in all, how many bodies were cremated at Auschwitz? How many died there all told?... We have simply no answers to these questions at this time." [11] ---------- Danny Keren has said that he accepts German documents as genuine. Let him try to explain away the following: "...camp doctors must use all means at their disposal to reduce essentially this death rate in the various camps." [12] "The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the food of the prisoners and, with the approval of the administration, submit improvement proposals to the camp commandants. These, however, must not only appear on paper, but must be controlled regularly by the camp doctors. Furthermore, the camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are im- proved as much as possible. To this purpose it will be necessary that the camp doctors inspect the labor places on the ground and convince themselves about the conditions of work." "The SS Reichsfuehrer has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." [13] -- Extracts from a secret memorandum from the SS Main Office of Economic Administration to all concentration camps, including Auschwitz, December 28, 1942 "_The fact that the Fuehrer intends to evacuate all Jews from Europe was communicated to me as early as August 1940..._" "Hence the basic _instruction of the_ Reich Foreign Minister, to promote the evacuation of the Jews in closest cooperation with the agencies of the Reich Leader SS, is still in force..." [14] "_In his letter of 24 June 1940...SS Major General Heydrich informed the Reich Foreign Mini- ster that the whole problem of the approximately three and a quarter million Jews in the areas under German control can no longer be solved by emigration -- a territorial final solution (territorial Endloesung) would be necessary_." "_In recognition of this Reich Marshal Goering on 31 July 1941 commissioned SS Major General Heydrich to make, in conjunction with the interested German Control agencies, all necessary preparations for a total solution (Gesamtloesung) of the Jewish problem in the German sphere of influence in Europe_...In the conference General Heydrich explained that Reich Marshal Goering's assignment to him had been made on the Fuehrer's instruction _and that the Fuehrer instead of emigration had now authorized the evacuation of the Jews to the East as the solution_..." [15] "_The intended deportations are a further step forward on the way of the total solution...The deportation to the Government General is a temporary measure. The Jews will be moved on fur- ther to the Occupied Eastern Territories as soon as the technical conditions for it are given_." [16] -- Extracts from a memorandum of August 21, 1942, by Unterstaatssekretaer Martin Luther, Director of Abteilung Deutschland of the Reich Foreign Ministry, and attendee at the "Wannsee Conference" ---------- To this day, thousands of G.I.s would swear that they witnessed deliberate and calculated murder of inmates at the concentration camps they captured, despite Simon Wiesenthal's admission that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." Are they lying? Or merely misinterpreting what they saw -- disease and famine, common in war -- for something they were *told* they saw -- a policy of genocide? One responsible eyewitness, Dr. John E. Gordon, explains why Allied Forces encountered so many dead and dying inmates: "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection en- countered in Germany...Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution were poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced." [17] ---------- A "fact" circulated during the war and for decades afterwards, having the same evidential level as the "fact" of the "gas chambers," is now declared to be false. "Holocaust scholar" Deborah Lipstadt admits: "The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I...The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated after the war and proved to be untrue." [18] ---------- What do Jews stand to gain from the "Holocaust" fraud? Read on: "With regard to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall political criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces the sense of Jews as an eternally beleaguered people who can rely for their defense only upon themselves. The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews under the Nazis often takes the place of rational argument, and is expected to convince doubters of the legitimacy of current Israeli Government policy." [19] -- Paula E. Hyman "The devastating barb: 'There's no business like _Shoah_ business' is, sad to say, a recog- nizable truth." [20] -- Leon A. Jick ---------- Although there is an attitude of required veneration for St. Elie, the notorious lying hypocrite and illegitimate recipient of the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize promotes feelings much different than the saintly ideals he is commonly believed to: "Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German." [21] ---------- The hate-centered, profit-driven Cult of the Holocaust will be obliterated at the latest by the end of this century. I am glad to have played a small part in its exposure and exorcision. =================================================================================================================================== NOTES [Underlining in quoted text denotes original italics] #1: Wiesenthal, Simon. "Letters from," in _Books and Bookmen_, April 1975, p. 5. #2: Wiesel, Elie. Quoted in "Author, Teacher, Witness," in _Time_, March 18, 1985, p. 79. #3: Gilbert, Martin. _Auschwitz and the Allies_ (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1981), p. 26. #4: Bauer, Yehuda. Foreward to _Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers_, by Filip Mueller, edited and translated by Susanne Flatauer (New York: Stein and Day, 1979), p. xi. #5: Wiesel, Elie. _The Jews of Silence: A Personal Report on Soviet Jewry_, translated by Neal Kozodoy (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1966), p. 35. #6: Mayer, Arno J. _Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The "Final Solution" in History_ (New York: Pantheon, 1988). p. 17. #7: _Ibid_, p. 235. #8: _Ibid_, pp. 291-292. #9: _Ibid_, pp. 362-363. #10: _Ibid_, p. 365. #11: _Ibid_, p. 366. #12: "Document 2171-PS, Annex II," in _Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Volume IV_ (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1946), p. 833. #13: _Ibid_, p. 834. #14: "Partial translation of Document NG-2586-J," in _Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10, Nuernberg October 1946 - April 1949, Volume XIII_ (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1952). p. 244. #15: _Ibid_, p. 245. #16: _Ibid_, p. 249. #17: Gordon, John E. "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in _Rickettsial Diseases of Man_, edited by Forest Ray Moulton (Washington: American Association for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 25-26. #18: Lipstadt, Deborah. "Nazi Soap Rumor During World War II," in _The Los Angeles Times_, May 16, 1981, Part II, p. 2. #19: Hyman, Paula E. "New Debate on the Holocaust," in _New York Times Magazine_, September 14, 1980, p. 79. #20: Jick, Leon A. "The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse Within the American Public," in _Yad Vashem Studies, Volume XIV_, edited by Livia Rothkirchen (Jerusalem: Yad Vashem Martyrs' and Heroes' Rememberance Authority, 1981), p. 316. #21: Wiesel, Elie. _Legends of Our Time_ (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1968), p. 142. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is 'not done'...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals." -- George Orwell From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!paperboy.amoco.com!hawkings!apctrc!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Mon Mar 21 17:58:44 PST 1994 Article: 9464 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!paperboy.amoco.com!hawkings!apctrc!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Auf Wiedersehen! (Repost) Message-ID: <1994Mar21.094548.9198@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 21 Mar 94 09:45:48 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 428 I am leaving this group for an indefinite period. I leave voluntarily and without coercion of any kind. I leave because more important duties require my attention (duties which you will not have the privilege to know of). I must laugh at you Holocaust Myth defenders. I have won and you have lost. No, I didn't convince many of the points I presented, but yet I still won. You have wanted me off this group since the beginning; you have threatened me, attempted to insult me, tried psychologically to drive me from alt.revisionism, but yet after five months, I WAS STILL HERE! I concede that little has been accomplished by my actions on this group. However, if I caused the doubt in the Holocaust Myth of only one person, my objective was achieved. Of course I have been overwhelmingly outnumbered by a motley crew of liars, misguided but well-meaning individuals, and the ever-present Jews, but my "experiment" has given me many insights into dealing with the ideological blight which plagues our society. I have made many mistakes -- factual, grammatical, and tactical -- but I have gained from these errors. I am stronger and wiser because my detractors have unwittingly taught me valuable lessons. I had hoped to post a major and possibly devastating rebuttal to the lies posted regarding the Holocaust Myth, but my new duties have put my research -- conducted since December -- on permanent hold. My accumulated material [*] that demonstrates the contradictory nature of the Holocaust "evidence," where the notorious "eyewitnesses" testify to infinitely different versions of impossible happenings, unsubstantiated subjective conclusions (usually based upon "findings" by other "historians") of "Holocaust scholars," and "certified true copies" of mimeographed copies of a microfilm copy of an "original" microfilm of a "certified true copy" of a "document" "captured" by the Soviets serves as "incontrovertible evidence" of "exterminations" via "gas chambers," "electro-chambers," and "steam-chambers" of a population of Jews whose numbers were grossly exaggerated, shall have to be used for my future endeavors. Unfortunately, my expertise, as I have said before, is *not* historical revisionism (it is National Socialism, racial science, and the Jewish Question); if it was, I could have much more easily have countered the deliberate falsehoods, and the foolish myths repeated incessantly by the slavish mass to please their Jewish masters. My inability to access many of the documents and other works I once possessed severely handicapped my assaults on the Holocaust Myth; my lack of preparation is a feeble but honest excuse for the inpotence I have shown against the zealous work and speciali- zation Ken McVay and Danny Keren have performed. I entered this circus-like arena -- to be ridiculed and laughed at -- because it was necessary to speak up against relatively unchallenged intellectual sewage; as one of Arthur's maxims went, "Seeing the need, we assume the responsibility." The Jew rules only through fear, an atmosphere of conscious and subconscious terror permeating every facet of society generated by strategic planning, a socially-caustic mix of money, myth, media, and manipulative politics being the empowering dynamoes of the grand plan. The Jew can only be defeated with courage -- a rejection of the "Big Lies" which he spews, and the countering of this through the dissemination of truth and wisdom. Only blasphemy against Jew-worship infuriates him, for only the dismissal of the terrible fear in- stilled in nearly all of Gentile humankind can defeat him. I do not offer any apologies whatsoever for my beliefs. I offer no apologies for the expression of those beliefs on this group, or on alt.skinheads. I have revealed the heartfelt thoughts of a National Socialist with bold honesty. I have not been afraid to speak the truth. I end with encouragement and criticism for Dan Gannon. While I strongly support his efforts at disseminating the feared truth about the Holocaust Myth, I would recommend that he focus his posts and direct them to more specific groups. He has done good work in the past, and I wish him the best on the Net in the years to come. Der Sieg Wird Unser Sein! -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. The much hated "HERMANN" -- No Guilt -- No Remorse -- -- White Pride -- White Power! -- I reserve the right to respond to undue criticism of this post. ========================================================================== ========================================================================== * The following is a small sampling of the material I have gathered in the past two months. It is by no means exhaustive of any aspect of the Holocaust Myth. The following material may be reposted IN ITS ENTIRETY with or without credit to the original poster. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Unholy High Priests of the Holocaust Myth contradict themselves: "...there were no extermination camps on German soil..." [1] -- Simon Wiesenthal "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day." [2] -- Elie Wiesel ---------- An historian respected by the Holocaust Mythologists makes this absurd and impossible assertion: "...in the spring and early summer of 1942...hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, and Treblinka." [3] -- Martin Gilbert ---------- Although we are told constantly the value of "eyewitnesses" to "gassings," we learn this unexpected fact: "Filip Mueller's book is a unique document indeed: it is the testimony of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw." [4] -- Widely-respected Jewish historian Yehuda Bauer ---------- An example of the unreliability of "eyewitness testimony" is seen in a laughable claim cited by the most respected "Holocaust survivor" regarding the infamous Babi Yar: "Eyewitnesses say that for months after the killings the ground continued to spurt geysers of blood." [5] ---------- In a display of necessary "damage-control," Jewish historian Arno J. Mayer concedes points revisionists have forwarded: Although Holocaust Mythologists such as Deborah Lipstadt claim there can be no debate with "Holocaust Deniers," Mayer says this -- "...historians are expected to avow their own prejudices and to probe those of their sources. No less important, they invite critics, both friendly and hostile, to verify the authenicity and reliability of their evidence as well as to debate the logic of their con- structions and the coherence of their explanations." [6] "Holocaust scholars" assert that undeniable facts buttress the extermination thesis, yet in reality this "evidence" is phantasmic -- "No written document containing or reporting an explicit command to exterminate the Jews has come to light thus far." [7] The following is part of the text of the famous letter from Goering to Heydrich of July 31, 1941, generally held as an early directive to "exterminate" the Jews -- "This is to supplement the assignment given to you in the decree of January 24, 1939, to solve the Jewish question by emigration or evacuation under the most favorable conditions possible given present circumstances. I hereby charge you to make all the necessary admini- strative, practical, and financial preparations for a _Gesamtloesung_ of the Jewish question throughout Germany's European sphere of influ- ence." About which Mayer says -- "There is nothing in these instructions, either explicit or implicit, to indicate that by directing Heydrich to prepare an overall and defini- tive solution -- a final solution -- of the 'Jewish problem,' Goering was asking him to prepare for the immediate or eventual mass murder of Jews." [8] Although we are told that the evidence in support of homicidal gas chambers is "overwhelming," and that "eyewitnesses" can offer accurate accounts of happenings at the German camps, Mayer tells us -- "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable...No written orders for gassing have turned up thus far...Most of what is known is based on the depositions of Nazi officials and executioners at postwar trials and on the memory of survivors and bystanders. This testimony must be screened care- fully, since it can be influenced by subjective factors of great complexity..." "...there is no denying the many contradictions, ambiguities, and errors in existing sources." [9] The standard line of the Holocaust Myth is that over a million Jews were "gassed" at Auschwitz, yet Mayer writes -- "...from 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by so-called 'natural' causes than by 'unnatural' ones." [10] We are assured by Holocaust Myth defenders that at least five million but closer to six million Jews were killed by the Germans. When asked how these numbers were established, obfuscation is dispensed. If one presses the Holocaust Myth defenders, he or she is accused of "anti-Semitism." Mayer is more honest con- cerning the facts -- "All in all, how many bodies were cremated at Auschwitz? How many died there all told?...We have simply no answers to these questions at this time." [11] ---------- Danny Keren has said that he accepts German documents as genuine. Let him try to explain away the following: "...camp doctors must use all means at their disposal to reduce essentially this death rate in the various camps." [12] "The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the food of the prisoners and, with the approval of the administration, submit improvement proposals to the camp commandants. These, however, must not only appear on paper, but must be controlled regularly by the camp doctors. Furthermore, the camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible. To this purpose it will be necessary that the camp doctors inspect the labor places on the ground and convince themselves about the conditions of work." "The SS Reichsfuehrer has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." [13] -- Extracts from a secret memorandum from the SS Main Office of Economic Administration to all concentration camps, including Auschwitz, December 28, 1942 "_The fact that the Fuehrer intends to evacuate all Jews from Europe was communicated to me as early as August 1940..._" "Hence the basic _instruction of the_ Reich Foreign Minister, to promote the evacuation of the Jews in closest cooperation with the agencies of the Reich Leader SS, is still in force..." [14] "_In his letter of 24 June 1940...SS Major General Heydrich informed the Reich Foreign Minister that the whole problem of the approximately three and a quarter million Jews in the areas under German control can no longer be solved by emigration -- a terri- torial final solution (territorial Endloesung) would be necessary_." "_In recognition of this Reich Marshal Goering on 31 July 1941 commissioned SS Major General Heydrich to make, in conjunction with the interested German Control agencies, all necessary preparations for a total solution (Gesamtloesung) of the Jewish problem in the German sphere of influence in Europe_...In the conference General Heydrich explained that Reich Marshal Goering's assignment to him had been made on the Fuehrer's instruction _and that the Fuehrer instead of emigration had now authorized the evacuation of the Jews to the East as the solution_..." [15] "_The intended deportations are a further step forward on the way of the total solution...The deportation to the Government General is a temporary measure. The Jews will be moved on fur- ther to the Occupied Eastern Territories as soon as the technical conditions for it are given_." [16] -- Extracts from a memorandum of August 21, 1942, by Unterstaatssekretaer Martin Luther, Director of Abteilung Deutschland of the Reich Foreign Ministry, and attendee at the "Wannsee Conference" ---------- To this day, thousands of G.I.s would swear that they witnessed deliberate and calculated murder of inmates at the concentration camps they captured, despite Simon Wiesenthal's admission that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." Are they lying? Or merely misinterpreting what they saw -- disease and famine, common in wartime -- for something they were *told* they saw -- a policy of genocide? One responsible eyewitness, Dr. John E. Gordon, explains why Allied Forces encountered so many dead and dying inmates: "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany...Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions con- tributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution were poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced." [17] ---------- A "fact" circulated during the war and for decades afterwards, having the same evidential level as the "fact" of the "gas chambers," is now declared to be false. "Holocaust scholar" Deborah Lipstadt admits: "The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I...The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated after the war and proved to be untrue." [18] ---------- What do Jews stand to gain from the "Holocaust" fraud? Read on: "With regard to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall political criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces the sense of Jews as an eternally beleaguered people who can rely for their defense only upon themselves. The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews under the Nazis often takes the place of rational argument, and is expected to convince doubters of the legitimacy of current Israeli Government policy." [19] -- Paula E. Hyman "The devastating barb: 'There's no business like _Shoah_ business' is, sad to say, a recognizable truth." [20] -- Leon A. Jick ---------- Although there is an attitude of required veneration for St. Elie, the notorious hypocrite and illegitimate recipient of the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize promotes feelings much different than the saintly ideals he is commonly believed to: "Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German." [21] ---------- The hate-centered, profit-driven Cult of the Holocaust will be obliterated at the latest by the end of this century. I am glad to have played a small part in its exposure and exorcision. ============================================================================= NOTES [Underlining in quoted text denotes original italics] #1: Wiesenthal, Simon. "Letters from," in _Books and Bookmen_, April 1975, p. 5. #2: Wiesel, Elie. Quoted in "Author, Teacher, Witness," in _Time_, March 18, 1985, p 79. #3: Gilbert, Martin. _Auschwitz and the Allies_ (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1981), p. 26. #4: Bauer, Yehuda. Foreward to _Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers_, by Filip Mueller, edited and translated by Susanne Flatauer (New York: Stein and Day, 1979), p. xi. #5: Wiesel, Elie. _The Jews of Silence: A Personal Report on Soviet Jewry_, translated by Neal Kozodoy (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1966), p. 35. #6: Mayer, Arno J. _Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The "Final Solution" in History_ (New York: Pantheon, 1988). p. 17. #7: _Ibid_, p. 235. #8: _Ibid_, pp. 291-292. #9: _Ibid_, pp. 362-363. #10: _Ibid_, p. 365. #11: _Ibid_, p. 366. #12: "Document 2171-PS, Annex II," in _Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Volume IV_ (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1946), p. 833. #13: _Ibid_, p. 834. #14: "Partial translation of Document NG-2586-J," in _Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunal Under Control Council Law No. 10, Nuernberg October 1946 - April 1949, Volume XIII_ (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1952). p. 244. #15: _Ibid_, p. 245. #16: _Ibid_, p. 249. #17: Gordon, John E. "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in _Rickettsial Diseases of Man_, edited by Forest Ray Moulton (Washington: American Association for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 25-26. #18: Lipstadt, Deborah. "Nazi Soap Rumor During World War II," in _The Los Angeles Times_, May 16, 1981, Part II, p. 2. #19: Hyman, Paula E. "New Debate on the Holocaust," in _New York Times Magazine_, September 14, 1980, p. 79. #20: Jick, Leon A. "The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse Within the American Public," in _Yad Vashem Studies, Volume XIV_, edited by Livia Rothkirchen (Jerusalem: Yad Vashem Martyrs' and Heroes' Rememberance Authority, 1981), p. 316. #21: Wiesel, Elie. _Legends of Our Time_ (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1968), p. 142. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is 'not done'...Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals." -- George Orwell From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!paperboy.amoco.com!hawkings!apctrc!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Fri Mar 25 21:01:45 PST 1994 Article: 9741 of alt.revisionism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!utnut!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!paperboy.amoco.com!hawkings!apctrc!msc.edu!news.gac.edu!msus1.msus.edu!TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU!HERMANN Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: I left this group, not my terminal. Message-ID: <1994Mar25.092852.9272@msus1.msus.edu> From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: 25 Mar 94 09:28:52 -0500 Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Lines: 23 Four friends have monitored this group -- one in Europe, one in Washington, and two in California -- for me, and have forwarded the recent posts commenting on my departure from alt.revisionism. As of March 3rd, I have ceased active participation in this group's discussions. However, *as was stated in my first post* (and second, to give credit to Mr. Hoover), I would repost my good-bye article at a future date (3/21), and that I might respond to undue criticism. You may ridicule my repost (and this message) all you like, but I am aware that none of you has had the courage to attempt (and fail) to refute the facts appended to my good-bye post regarding the mythical "six million" of the Hoaxocaust. You may finger my account all you wish. I never said I was ceasing all computer use; you will find that I am logged in nearly every day. In response to your fingers, be assured that I return your finger with my own -- though not an electronic one. -- HERMANN -- No Guilt -- No Remorse -- -- White Pride -- White Power! --
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