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NATIONAL SOCIALISM FAQ
Edition 08/10/94
What is National Socialism?
National Socialism represents the most sound means of assuring the biologi-
cal and cultural rejuvenation and progression of the White, or Aryan, Race.
National Socialism is the product of over a century of political and social
thought cultivated in Germanic Nations, popularized and first put into ac-
tion by its foremost proponent, German _Fuehrer_ and Chancellor Adolf
Hitler.
National Socialism was at first a progressive political outlook adopted in
several European Nations, but evolved quickly into a pan-Aryan Vision of
racial rejuvenation and progress. Many rightly view National Socialism as
the reemergence of a pre-Christian Nature-based Aryan Faith.
Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"
_Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root "aryo," meaning noble.
_Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from
Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names
_Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_. Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by
both academics and laypersons as a synonym for White. _Aryan_ was popular-
ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_ [My
Struggle].
_Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and their
descendants across the globe.
Why do you use the Swastika?
The _Swastika_ (from Sanskrit, "good fortune") is an ancient symbol of the
Aryan Peoples representing primarily the positive powers of the Universe
which generate and sustain Life, and secondarily good will and good fortune
toward the righteous.
The Swastika has been used for over four thousand years by Aryan and non-
Aryan alike in Asia, Europe, and North America. Aryan racialists reclaimed
use of the Swastika from pre-Christian European Faiths as a symbol of
racial renewal and progress.
What is "Blood and Soil?"
"Blood and Soil" refers to the relationship between People and Homeland,
and the link of the individual to the natural Order. "Blood and Soil" rep-
resents reverence for the origin and miracles of Life, the Ideal of organic
lifestyle, and the importance of truly creative work.
Aren't you nihilists without morality?
National Socialism is a reawakened moral perception, founded upon the
ancient and eternal living Truth of the Creator's Will. National Social-
ists embrace the Divinely-inspired purpose of humanity: the quest for ex-
cellence and constant improvement. National Socialists believe the Aryan
Race is the premiere guardian of the righteousness of the Divine Will and
the vanguard in the never-ending struggle to achieve humanity's ultimate
physical and spiritual potential.
National Socialists realize the present dominant paradigm, based upon
Judaic thought, blasphemes the Creator's Will. Cultural-diversity destroy-
ing "universalist" ideologies such as Judeo-Christianity, Capitalism, Marx-
ism, and Internationalism, founded upon the Jewish Ideal of circumvention
of the Creator's Will _must_ be rejected by all people who love the Divine
Master of the Universe and His Law. No compromise or synthesis is possible
between the natural Order's Truth and thoroughly flawed Jewish paradigms.
National Socialism has no pretentious religious "law book" purporting to
contain "truth." The Wisdom of God is present in Nature for all to seek,
understand, and apply in their own lives.
What are the "14 Words?"
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White
children."
They are a creed defining succinctly the raison d'etre of today's National
Socialist Movement, authored by National Socialist revolutionary David
Lane.
Lane, a member of the armed revolutionary group known as "The Order," was
captured and persecuted by the present regime for his Aryan separatist ac-
tivities, and is now held as a political prisoner in a Federal political
dissident institution.
Why do you give that "Hitler salute?"
The Aryan Salute, the right arm extended forward with open hand turned palm
up or down, is an ancient greeting first used by warriors to designate an
absence of ready weapons and hostility. The common military salute is a
more convenient adaptation of this millenia-old custom. The Aryan Salute
has been used by many Aryan Peoples, most notably during ancient times by
the Romans, most notably in modern times by citizens of Fascist Italy and
National Socialist Germany.
The Aryan Salute today symbolizes peace, respect, and good will toward com-
rades or friendly strangers to whom it is extended. Alternatively, it sym-
bolizes Aryan racial solidarity when extended to foes.
Why do you worship Hitler?
National Socialists do not "worship" Adolf Hitler. National Socialists
_do_ offer Hitler deserving reverence for his role in bringing our Race a
message of Hope through his leadership of the German People, and as vision-
ary of a new Europe and a new World.
National Socialists recognize that while Hitler was an heroic leader, he
was human, capable of error. Hitler's example, both through communication
with us in _Mein Kampf_, and in the record of his deeds, serves to guide
National Socialists in their efforts to initiate Aryan renewal, but his
doctrine does not inhibit the positive evolution of National Socialism
toward more sound ideas and methods. Unlike the static, lifeless ideolo-
gies of the Establishment, such as the "liberalism" and "conservatism"
peddled to confuse and divide Americans against themselves, National Social-
ism is a _living_ philosophy which adapts to new positive trends and cir-
cumstances of an ever changing world.
Why do you hate Democracy?
National Socialists embrace _genuine_ Democracy, but reject the Establish-
ment's false Democracy, where the illusion of participatory government is
manifested in a controlled system of "choices" which all invariably lead to
the _same_ end.
Adolf Hitler presented a legitimate alternative to the German People in his
day, and was freely supported by the vast majority of Germans throughout
his reign. National Socialists today believe that presented a _genuine_
choice, without our opponents using misrepresentation, slander, and false
promises, the American Majority would choose to create a National Socialist
political system and social order.
National Socialism does not endorse dictatorship; that is, a political
apparatus that functions contrary to the Will and best interests of the
Majority, as does the present System. National Socialism endorses the
"leadership principle," or the idea that a Nation is best governed by those
most capable of guiding his or her fellow citizens and providing for their
social needs and wants.
Why do you hate America?
National Socialists love the America founded by our pioneer ancestors, but
despise the "New America" of crime and corruption, decadence and degenera-
cy, lies and lewdness.
America's founders envisioned a land where Aryans from every European Nation
could build a new life, and by hard work and noble ideals, build a great
country. America became a great country because its Aryan men and women
_made_ it a great country.
Traditional American Ideals of Honesty, Courage, Commitment, Determination,
Ingenuity, and Industriousness have been subverted because the American
People are one of the last obstacles the World Manipulators must overcome
to achieve their "New World Order" of absolute power and unchecked accumu-
lation of your wealth. This ongoing destruction of our People is the sin-
ister work of alien anti-Americans, who pose as Americans, and who are dili-
gently assisted by the treasonous Washington Criminals.
Many great Americans, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and Walt
Disney believed in National Socialism, and worked to prevent the enslavement
of our People. Today's National Socialists demand a return to the Ideals
that made this a once great land, and work to restore the prosperity and
prestige the American People deserve.
Why don't you believe in human rights?
National Socialists believe that a People's right to choose how they live
with whom they choose to live with -- the right of self-determination -- is
_the_ most fundamental, inalienable human right.
The Aryan Race has been denied self-determination through the actions of
both internal and external forces, these forces operating out of hatred
and/or self-interest to inhibit the social and economic health of Aryan
families worldwide, with the ultimate goal being the extinction of our kind
through genocidal social, political, and economic programs.
National Socialism's foremost goal is the liberation of the Aryan Race from
these genocidal policies, and implementation of alternatives which will
assure its perpetual survival and continued positive evolution. Part of
this goal is to liberate the mind and soul of Americans from the unjusti-
fied guilt complex instilled by the Establishment's schools and churches
and perpetuated by the Jewish-controlled media. This undeserved shame in-
hibits the lives of its victims, and must be replaced by love for one's
Race and Nation.
The "concern" about "human rights" by the Jewish-controlled media and among
Establishment academicians and politicians is a clever sham designed to ob-
fuscate, hiding the _real_ causes of oppression and injustice in the world.
The Establishment's fraudulent "United Nations" and other "human rights
organizations" are mere comforting facades, used as tools both to divert
attention away from the sinister whims of the World Manipulators and to neu-
tralize opposition to their "New World Order." Examination of the record
of these "human rights organizations" reveals a very slanted bias toward
certain issues and groups serving a _clear political agenda_. Most obvious
is the total lack of genuine censure and _effective_ sanction of Israel's
decades of murder and oppression against the indigenous People of Palestine.
National Socialists believe in _genuine_ human rights for all Peoples. The
well-being of the Aryan Race is always our first concern, but as feasible,
we support and aid other Nations and Races in their effort to build a soci-
ety conducive to their happiness and prosperity and appropriate for their
unique character.
Why are you such male chauvinists?
Despite what Establishment academicians and the Jewish-controlled media in-
sist you believe, male National Socialists consider our racial sisters
_partners_ in the struggle for racial rejuvenation and progress, as activ-
ists, warriors, _and_ mothers.
The Creator intends for women and men to be _complementary_, not contradic-
tory. While Marxist and Jewish "Feminists" arrogantly reject women's
uniqueness, attempting to "liberate" women from their womanhood, National
Socialists accept the slight differences between men and women as
_strengths_, and demand an end to the gynophobia which is a consequence of
centuries of pervasive Judeo-Christianity.
_Relative to the era_, National Socialist Germany had the most truly pro-
gressive attitude toward women's issues, making leaps forward to end the
contempt of women emanating from Judeo-Christian tradition. Adolf Hitler,
among his many revolutionary acts, broke the traditions of the highly an-
drocentric German Armed Forces by awarding heroine test-pilot Hanna Reitsch
the Iron Cross. Many capable, talented women, like Realm Women's Leader
Gertrud Scholtz-Klink, assumed important roles in helping to rebuild German
society, and later in the defense of Europe, often while tending their fami-
lies in the face of great adversity.
Just who do you consider "Aryan?"
National Socialists recognize individuals as biologically Aryan if they are
wholly of non-Jewish, non-Asiatic European ancestry, descendants of the
autochthonous Peoples of the contemporary States of Austria, Belarus, Bel-
gium, Britain, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Ger-
many, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland,
Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and Ukraine. Many persons
of Albanian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Georgian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Por-
tuguese, Romanian, Serbian, and Spanish heritage also qualify as Aryan,
their ancestors being pioneers of Aryan communities in those lands.
In every Aryan, there is an instinctive drive to rise above mediocrity and
decadence. Materialistic "modern living" can suppress or pervert this call-
ing, but nothing can ever fully extinguish this gift from the Creator. The
Aryan who begins to feel this energy ceases to wallow in the spiritual
wasteland of the Establishment's benighted "religious" seers, and struggles
to master his or her own Will, achieve proficiency, alleviate shortcomings,
discover wisdom, and while so doing, experiences a "revolution in thought"
to attain an unique sense of Being, the _Aryan Consciousness_. To attain
the Aryan Consciousness is to fulfill one's Aryan heritage, to complete
one's "Aryanhood."
Many myths about the criteria of "Aryan" have been perpetrated by the Jew-
ish-controlled media and Establishment academia. An Aryan is not neces-
sarily blond, blue-eyed, and six-feet tall; the blond Nordic is merely the
most notable representative of the Aryan Race because he or she differs
most significantly from non-Aryans. National Socialism did not and does
not preach or practice hatred of non-Germanic Aryans, such as French or
Slavic Nations. Adolf Hitler enjoyed the work and friendship of many aides
and officers of German citizenship, _but Polish family name and heritage_.
Hitler also facilitated the independence of the Slavic Nations of Croatia
and Slovakia. Unfortunately, centuries-old, myopic cultural antipathy
between Slavic and Teutonic Nations did, and does manifest itself, oc-
casionally resulting in misunderstanding and conflict, including the 1939
Polish-German War.
Why do you hate non-Whites?
National Socialism is based on love of one's own kind and the Creator's
benevolent natural Order, _not_ hatred. National Socialists love their Race
above all, and wish to see it thrive and progress.
Non-Aryans, in particular Jews, regularly engage in activities which in-
hibit the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of Aryans, and sometimes
directly harm individuals of our Race. The effects of these hate-motivated
activities provoke deep resentment and sometimes defensive hatred in Aryan
racialists, occasionally resulting in unfortunate retributory measures
against the perpetrator. Despite this, Aryan racialists strive to avoid
conflict with individuals from different racial or ethnic groups, extending
due respect to non-Aryans whenever possible. National Socialists support
and often work with racialists of other Races, such as Black Muslims, who
wish to see their Peoples thrive and progress, too.
Because it benefits their self-serving political agenda, the Jewish-con-
trolled media routinely and deliberately misrepresent the ideas of Aryan
racialists, National Socialists in particular, and present the highly mis-
leading and inaccurate image of the "violent White-supremacist 'neo-Nazi'
extremist," resulting in the popularly-held myths about the National
Socialist Movement.
Why did Hitler murder six million innocent people?
Contrary to popular belief, no program of genocide against European Jewry
existed during World War II. Unfortunate but understandable deaths re-
sulted from Allied-inflicted acts of war which crippled the German economy
and infrastructure, leading to virtual cut-off of supplies to the concen-
tration camps and the starvation or death by disease of tens of thousands
of inmates. There simply was no deliberate program of genocide planned and
implemented by the German government, nor is there evidence for the exist-
ence of gas chambers suitable for mass-murder at the camps alleged to be
"extermination centers."
A Myth has been constructed through sophistry from the spurious allegations
and misrepresented facts regarding the Jewish situation during World War II
as a weapon of psychological and political extortion and manipulation of
Western Peoples by Zionists and their Judeophile apologists.
The Holocaust is an "historical fact" so flimsy it must be supported by
force, legislation being enacted in several "democratic" countries, in-
cluding France, Germany, and Sweden, making it a _criminal_ offense to ex-
press doubt in _any_ aspect of its dogmatic "truth."
Aren't you right-wing fascists?
National Socialists reject the Establishment's misleading left/right polit-
ical spectrum, and are neither "rightist" nor "leftist." National Socialism
favors policies similar to those put forth by both "liberals" and "conserv-
atives" on many issues, and cannot be confined to a philosophical "pigeon-
hole," our revolutionary Vision transcending the false stereotypes inherent
in the "traditional" political spectrum.
Fascism is properly the name of the political and social ideology espoused
by Italian _Duce_ and Premier Benito Mussolini. Fascism and National
Socialism have many similarities, but are _not_ synonymous. Fascists be-
lieve in the supremacy of the State and conformance to a rigid artificial
social order, while National Socialism is the manifestation of the Laws of
Nature in harmony with the collective spirit of the People, or Folk, who
are the highest entity of the Nation, above the State and other man-made
institutions.
The term "fascist" derives from the Latin word _fasces_, the name of the
Roman symbol of legitimate authority, a wrapped bundle of rods with a pro-
jecting axe. The _fasces_ can be found today in and on many _American_
Federal and State government buildings, and county court houses. "Fascist"
is regularly used by the Jewish-controlled media, Establishment academi-
cians, and misled Americans as a label intended to be severely derogatory to
any opponent of the present System's _illegitimate_ power over the American
People.
Hasn't science proven you're full of it?
Dishonest "scholarship" by the clique of politically-motivated social and
bio-social scientists has resulted in a body of pseudo-science, its formu-
lators deliberately omitting "undesirable" facts relating to the strengths
and shortcomings of each unique human race. This phony "science" is cited
ceaselessly by media liars, hopelessly befuddled "intellectuals," and the
well-meaning but misled ordinary American. Equally-qualified and -educated
scientists have challenged the false premises of the Establishment's Lysen-
koesque anthropology, and offer a dogma-free alternative which takes into
account ignored facts.
Orthodox social "science," which maintains as a major tenet the _political_
idea of biological racial equality, allegedly justifies today's social pol-
icies that have caused great hardship and despair for millions of both Afri-
cans and Aryans. Because the victimization of Aryan and African families
_must_ end, National Socialists demand realistic social policy be imple-
mented as soon as possible to relieve the pain and suffering inflicted.
National Socialists promote the Scientific Enterprise, which is simply the
discovery or understanding through free inquiry of the Laws and processes of
the natural Order, and encourage use of scientific knowledge to better the
collective human condition and the lives of individuals. Scientific re-
search flourished in National Socialist Germany, with advances occurring in
medicine, psychology, environmental science, engineering, and other fields,
work by German scientists even leading directly to the success of America's
space program and Moon landings. A National Socialist government will help
make American science once again the best in the world.
Shouldn't we save the Earth first?
National Socialists recognize that to survive, the Aryan Race must have a
healthy environment, free of the Life-inhibiting poisons Capitalism has
brought upon the world.
The National Socialist German government promulgated numerous radical
Nature conservation programs, including the most progressive and comprehen-
sive legislation to date, the 1935 _Reichsnaturschutzgesetz_ (Realm Nature
Protection Law).
National Socialism today, maintaining the Aryan tradition of strict rever-
ence for the natural Order and its Life-giving elements, advocates curtail-
ment of the everywhere pervasive Nature-destroying Capitalist consumption-
ism, the latter's mad quest for profit causing nearly all of the environ-
mental disasters we face, and in remedy, implementation of sustainable,
organic agriculture, sound methods of resource extraction and use, and re-
duction and eventual elimination of toxic substances in our nourishment and
throughout the environment.
Why should I support something my grandfather died to destroy?
It is terribly painful to realize our grandparents' generation was _used_
by the Roosevelt regime and the shadow string-pullers behind that cabal,
but the facts demonstrate that indeed the American People were deceived
-- abused -- by traitors, to compel them to fight their brothers and sis-
ters in Germany during World War II.
Are the American People happier today than before the war? Are American
schools better, streets safer, cities more beautiful today than before the
war? The American People fought not to save their traditional Way of Life,
but to destroy America's potential ally in order to increase the wealth and
power of the World Manipulators.
Adolf Hitler sincerely sought alliance with the American and British
Peoples, as the record shows, but the criminal Roosevelt and Churchill
regimes violently rebuffed his hand of friendship. Ironically today, it
is the Vision we share with Hitler that will save the American People from
the gruesome end gleefully planned for us by the World Manipulators.
We _cannot_ condemn the millions who fell in the Second World War, American
and German, to a vainful death by refusing to do what is _right_ today be-
cause our forebears mistakenly thought it wrong yesterday.
Who are skinheads?
Skinheads are young Aryan men and women who having been bluntly exposed to
the tragic realities of today's "New America," consequently become dis-
illusioned with the Establishment's "multicultural" deathstyle and turn to
a sounder Way for individual development and racial progress.
Contrary to the image of Skinheads portrayed in the Jewish-controlled media,
National Socialist Skinheads possess virtuous character and have realistic
yet positive attitudes about life in today's corrupt society.
Skinheads form tight-knit social groups where camaraderie prevails. They
regularly express themselves through powerful, stirring music, poetry, and
visual artwork, and celebrate racial kinship with social gatherings amongst
comrades. Skinhead women have an integral part in the struggle for racial
survival, earning admiration from their male counterparts. A broad spec-
trum of personalities and backgrounds are represented among Skinheads, but
their Ideals of Honor and Love for Folk bind them together to courageously
confront the crime-infested society we endure and the hoodlums that threat-
en their communities.
Most Skinheads are "Generation X" youth who have been betrayed by the elders
obligated to guard their future, but rather than surrender to a bleak fate
dished out by the present System, each Skinhead contributes his or her
knowledge, talent and skills to _build_ a more promising future for them-
selves and our Race.
Aren't you tools of the wealthy and powerful?
National Socialism is diametrically opposed to monopoly Capitalism and all
its exploitive manifestations. The World Manipulators and other socio-
economic elitists have hated and feared National Socialism since its in-
ception, for the National Socialist Vision represents a viable alternative
to the Tyranny of Money's inequitable compensation for productive labor and
its criminal usury-debt-based finance system, which oppresses working
people of _all_ racial and ethnic backgrounds. Not the Democrats, not the
Republicans, not the Marxists, but _only_ National Socialists expose the
usury-debt finance racket, vowing to destroy it, replacing its rape of the
worker with a more equitable economic system based on _genuine_ wealth and
a sound currency.
National Socialism is dynamic and progressive, encouraging all types of cre-
ative work which contribute to the health, happiness, or safety of the Race
and Nation, and requires proper compensation in living wages, prestige, and
social services for farmers, artisans, and laborers. National Socialism
rigorously sanctions with correction or expulsion parasitical elements which
selfishly exploit the Nation and Race and refuse to contribute for the bene-
fit of the entire Folk community.
A National Socialist government will protect the National economy from a
flood of goods produced through Capitalist exploitation of foreign slave
labor, guaranteeing American farmers, artisans, and laborers a _fair_
trading market.
Will you dare try to legislate morality?
_All_ governments legislate morality. That's the purpose of legitimate gov-
ernment, to provide for the order, stability, and justice which guarantees
citizens opportunity for happy, productive lives. The difference between a
legitimate government and a dictatorship is not a matter of methods, but
of _motives_ in legislating and governing the Nation. A legitimate govern-
ment legislates morality -- law -- which benefits the People and their live-
lihood and happiness. An illegitimate government legislates morality that
serves special interests, usually a wealthy economic minority, usually lead-
ing to spiritual and social sickness for the Nation.
The Jewish-controlled media and Establishment academicians and politicians
strive to deny the present regime's legislation of _perverse_ morality. By
deceiving the American People, awareness of the perversity of the legis-
lated morality is lessened, and opposition to it stifled.
A National Socialist government will legislate and govern in the best inter-
ests of the American People. National Socialism will put an end to U.S.
Government-sponsored pictures of Jesus Christ in urine purported to be
"art," Establishment-promoted and -defended "rap songs" advocating murder
of police officers purported to be "music," Establishment-glorified filthy
acts like anal sex puported to be "constitutional rights," and the domina-
tion of the American Majority by a bigoted religious minority who places
a tax on _all_ Americans' food in keeping with their "dietary laws."
Why did Hitler have total gun control?
Misinformed individuals, deriving their false premises from the Jewish-con-
trolled media and Establishment academia, wrongly claim the German People
were deprived of firearms during the Third Reich. While it is true the
National Socialist German government did enforce many firearms regulations,
the Hitler Administration in fact moderated the _more_ strict gun control
regulations of the "democratic" Weimar Republic, and encouraged ordinary
German citizens to obtain firearms.
National Socialists support the inalienable right to individual and collec-
tive self-defense, both from common thugs and corrupt regimes that function
contrary to the Will and best interests of the Majority. Therefore,
National Socialists support the right to possess, and use whenever neces-
sary, _effective_ firearms and proper ammunition, free of the unreasonable
regulations and taxes intended to deprive the citizenry of self-defense
weapons.
Who are these "World Manipulators?"
The World Manipulators are an international network of highly resourceful
fanatics who believe it their rightful destiny to be Lords of the Earth.
This network of organized crime has become a de facto, quasi-secret "super-
government," exercising near absolute power over the world's banking sys-
tem, and tremendous influence over the world's mass media and most of the
world's ostensibly legitimate governments.
Jews, members of a People who have chosen themselves to rule the World,
comprise a majority of the World Manipulators, with substantial numbers of
Aryans and Asians intoxicated with Judaic thought also participating in this
obscene racket.
Through their masterfully managed mass media, and with the aid of their
apologists and "true-believers" in the Establishment's "Ivory Towers" of
Ignorance, the World Manipulators have created a spectrum of "permissible"
thought, not unlike the "goodthink" in Orwell's dark world of _1984_, which
"right thinking" people are expected to adhere to, with admonishment or
even criminal punishment for transgressors. Obviously, National Socialism
lies outside this "politically correct" spectrum of "permissible" thought.
The World Manipulators recognize strong, healthy, free Nations and Races are
unbreachable obstacles to their insane lust for _unlimited_ power and
wealth, and seek to enslave or obliterate through concocted "no-win" wars,
planned economic calamity, and crazy but calculated social policy _all_
Nations and Races, _especially_ the Aryan Race.
What is "ZOG?"
"ZOG," an acronym for _Zionist Occupational Government_, is a popular euphe-
mism for the alien anti-Americans, the Washington Criminals and their will-
ing collaborators within Federal, State, and local government agencies that
dictate directives to the American People and force our compliance.
The Zionist Occupational Government, or alternately, Jewish Occupational
Government, is an entity under the hegemony of the World Manipulators who
stealthily coordinate the policies of the several occupation governments
wielding power over the Aryan Nations to provide an uniform tyranny as well
as an united front of the "international community" against any potential
threat. ZOG is an _occupation_ government because it is commanded by in-
filtrators _from a foreign power_ who gained entry to the United States for
the real purpose of sabotage of America's legitimate authority, armed for-
ces, and economy leading to our unavoidable capitulation as a sovereign
Nation.
What do you call your party?
Because today's political world has changed phenomenally since the days of
Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, the American National
Socialist Movement of 1994 is multi-faceted, without a centralized organi-
zation and with a diversity of tactical approaches to achieve our most im-
portant goal.
Since the World Manipulators have a "golden grip" on the political systems
of Western Nations, National Socialists have little or no chance of imple-
menting the Will of the Aryan Majorities through conventional means at this
time. To diminish or neutralize the oppression and subversion by the Es-
tablishment against National Socialists, diversification of guidance and
resources has occurred within the Movement, and although a few small, rep-
utable and effective NS organizations exist, this diversification has cul-
minated in a form of "leaderless resistance." Leaderless resistance means
that the National Socialist takes responsibility in his or her own commu-
nity for directing localized activities and dissemination of the Good News
of National Socialism.
The time for direct action and a national organization has not yet arrived.
A National Socialist is defined by inner substance, not by outer appearance.
Attention-desperate clowns dressed in Hollywood "Nazi" costumes parading
around with German flags in childish imitation of a past era who cannot
offer a coherent expression of the National Socialist Vision -- favorite
spectacles for Jewish-controlled television -- are _not_ National Social-
ists.
What does National Socialism offer me, the ordinary American?
National Socialism means the opportunity of a happier, more fulfilling life
for the ordinary American working man and woman.
A National Socialist government will work _for_ you and your best interests,
using your hard-earned tax dollars for the benefit of _your_ People's well-
being, _not_ for "foreign aid" parasites like Israel.
National Socialism means that the American worker's productivity -- his or
her hard work -- will work _not_ for international bankers, millionaire
Capitalist racketeers, and their politician-stooges, but to build a better
today for American families and an even brighter tomorrow for Aryan
children.
National Socialists support:
- opportunities for all to have a rewarding, productive career, suitable to
individual ability, talent, and needs.
- affordable opportunities for all families to _truly own_ a home or a food-
and fiber-producing homestead.
- opportunities for creative entrepreneurs to establish or sustain produc-
tive businesses supporting their families and the National economy, free
from the crippling taxes, usury-bondage, and corrupt anti-entrepreneur
tactics of today's monopoly Capitalist system.
- physical and spiritual health maintenance programs for all ages, empha-
sizing holistic nutrition and fitness awareness.
- free, comprehensive medical services for all, with special concern for
children, mothers, and the aged.
- free, universal quality education, primary through university level,
stressing excellence, practical knowledge, and love of wisdom.
- enjoyable leisure and social activities for workers inside and outside
the workplace, including family vacations, participant sports, and Nature
appreciation activities.
- replacement of Establishment-directed soul-destroying mindless "enter-
tainment" and degenerate "art" with government-supported programs empow-
ering all to express themselves through healthy culture, including music,
literature, visual arts, theater and dance, and festivals.
- replacement of the Establishment's mechanistic, inorganic, money-driven
law code with a People's Law system upholding the principle of justice
for individuals regardless of wealth, gender, or age.
Question not _how_ National Socialism will build a better life, but _how it
can once again_.
How can I help?
Collecting Third Reich memorabilia is a hobby, not activism. Discussing
today's problems while not working for the solution is whining, not activ-
ism. Painting swastikas and screaming racial slurs is juvenile stupidity,
not activism.
Activism means commitment. Activism means you dedicate yourself to Aryan
survival and progress, and work daily for its realization. Activism means
you think, act, and look like an Aryan. "Thinking like an Aryan" means
constantly having thoughts constructive and beneficial for oneself and our
Race. "Acting like an Aryan" means upholding Honor in all you do, working
for the best interests of the Aryan Race, and _never_ doing anything sense-
lessly harmful to oneself or our Race. "Looking like an Aryan" means pre-
senting oneself in a respectable manner at all times, with cleanliness and
sobriety. Therefore, drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual deviants/perverts,
"thrill-seekers," Charlie Manson fanatics, and the mentally and morally
unstable are not welcome in the National Socialist Movement.
Begin by contacting the organizations below, and READ their publications.
Read and deeply ponder the ideas and information in the works offered by
National Socialist booksellers, and in the following bibliography. Most
importantly, TELL OTHERS about the Good News of National Socialism. As
your knowledge, ability, and means permit, organize appropriate activities
for your own community.
The Aryan Race is backed against the wall. There is no time to fear for
one's comfort. YOU would see the death of the Aryan Race and _all_ you
value, were we to fail in this greatest endeavor of all time. We have but
one option, and that is _forward_. The alternative is for Aryan men to
serve the "New World Order" on their knees, and for Aryan women to serve on
their backs.
YOUR efforts, no matter how small or great, in concert with those of your
racial brothers and sisters across this Nation and around the world shall
result in
The Triumph of the Aryan Will.
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When writing to the addresses below, please enclose a minimum of $1.00 to cover
postage costs.
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National Socialist ACTIVIST ASSOCIATIONS
National Alliance NS Kindred
P.O. Box 90 P.O. Box 256
Hillsboro, WV 24946 North San Juan, CA 95960
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National Socialist PUBLICATIONS
_Instauration_ * _National Vanguard_
P.O. Box 76 P.O. Box 90
Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 Hillsboro, WV 24946
_Plexus_ _Remarks_
P.O. Box 642376 P.O. Box 234
Omaha, NE 68164 Aurora, NY 13026-0234
_Resistance_ * _Vanguard_
P.O. Box 24700 P.O. Box 86221
Detroit, MI 48224 Los Angeles, CA 90086-0221
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National Socialist BOOK & MUSIC DISTRIBUTORS
Aryan Free Press Books Bound for Glory Services
P.O. Box 6853 P.O. Box 1104
Champaign, IL 61826 Mankato, MN 56002
Howard Allen Enterprises * National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 76 P.O. Box 90
Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 Hillsboro, WV 24946
The Noontide Press * Phoenix Records
P.O. Box 2739 P.O. Box 898
Newport Beach, CA 92659 Walnut, CA 91788
Resistance Records * Totenkopf Services
P.O. Box 24700 1040 South Mount Vernon, #123
Detroit, MI 48224 Colton, CA 92324
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National Socialist SKINHEAD ASSOCIATION
The Northern Hammer Skins
P.O. Box 6773
Saint Paul, MN 55106
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National Socialist TELEPHONE MESSAGE LINE
National Alliance
(304) 653-4600
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National Socialist RADIO PROGRAM
_American Dissident Voices_
Hosted by Kevin Alfred Strom
On 50,000 watt AM stations: On shortwave radio:
KAAY 1090 (Little Rock, AR) WRNO
Saturday Saturday
-- at 0100 Central -- at 1130 Central on 15420 kHz
-- at 2330 Central -- at 2000 Central on 7355 kHz
KXEL 1540 (Waterloo, IA) WINB
Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday Sunday
-- at 2130 Central -- at 1430 Central on 15715 kHz
WOAI 1200 (San Antonio, TX) Friday
Saturday
-- at 2330 Central on 11950 kHz
-- at 2300 Central
Saturday
WWVA 1170 (Wheeling, WV)
Sunday -- at 1630 Central on 15715 kHz
-- at 2200 Central on 11950 kHz
-- at 2100 Eastern
For a complete schedule, write National Vanguard Books.
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* Highly sympathetic, but does not necessarily fully endorse National Social-
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BIBLIOGRAPHY of useful works on National Socialism and National Socialist
Germany
Works by National Socialists:
Bauer, Wilhelm. _German Economic Policy_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.
Bouhler, Philipp. _Adolf Hitler: A Short Sketch of His Life_. Berlin:
Terramare Office, 1938.
Degrelle, Leon. _Campaign in Russia: The Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front_.
Torrance, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1985.
Dietrich, Otto. _A Revolution in Thought_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.
Dietrich, Otto. _The Spiritual Foundations of the New Europe_. Berlin:
Terramare Office, 1941.
_Documents on the Events Preceding the Outbreak of the War_. New York: German
Library of Information, 1940.
Dorn, Karl. _Werkstoffe: Miracles of German Chemistry_. New York: German
Library of Information, 1941.
Ebner, Adalbert. _German Forests_. New York: German Library of Information,
1940.
Edel, Fritz. _German Labour Service_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.
Ehrt, Adolf. _Communism in Germany: The Truth about the Communist Conspiracy
on the Eve of the National Revolution_. Berlin: General League of Anti-
Communist Associations, 1933.
Feder, Gottfried. _Hitler's Official Programme and Its Fundamental Ideas_.
London: George Allen & Unwin, 1934.
Frercks, Rudolf. _German Population Policy_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.
Funk, Walther. _The Economic Future of Europe_. Berlin: Terramare Office,
1940.
_German Youth in a Changing World_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1936.
_Germany: Facts and Figures_. New York: German Library of Information, 1941.
_Germany Speaks_. London: Butterworth, 1938.
Grimm, Friedrich. _The Significance of this War_. Berlin: Terramare Office,
1940.
_____. _Versailles in Liquidation_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.
Gritzbach, Erich. _Hermann Goring: The Man and His Work_. London: Hurst &
Blackett, 1939.
Heinz, Heinz A. _Germany's Hitler_. London: Hurst & Blackett, 1934.
Hitler, Adolf. _Adolf Hitler From Speeches, 1933-1938_. Berlin: Terramare
Office, 1938.
_____. _Mein Kampf_. Translated by Ralph Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin,
1971.
_____. _Mein Kampf_. Translated by James Murphy. London: Hurst & Blackett,
1939.
Kaiser, Fritz. "Entartete 'Kunst' Austellungsfuhrer" [Degenerate "Art"
Exhibition Guide], translated by David Britt, in _"Degenerate Art": The
Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_, pp. 356-390. Edited by Stephanie
Barron. Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: Abrams,
1991.
Lindbergh, Charles A. "Aviation, Geography, and Race," in _Reader's Digest_,
volume 35, #211 (November 1939), pp. 64-67.
_A Nation Builds: Contemporary German Architecture_. New York: German Library
of Information, 1940.
Reher, Werner. _Social Welfare in Gemany_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.
Rittich, Werner. _New German Architecture_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1941.
Rosenberg, Alfred. _The Myth of the Twentieth Century: An Evaluation of the
Spiritual-Intellectual Confrontations of Our Time. Translated by Vivian
Bird. Costa Mesa, CA: Noontide Press, 1993.
_____. _Race and Race History, and Other Essays_. Edited by Robert Pois. New
York: Harper & Row, 1971.
Sadila-Mantau, Hans Heinz. _German Political Profiles_. Berlin: Terramare
Office, 1938.
Schinnerer, Erich. _German Law and Legislation_. Berlin: Terramare Office,
1938.
_Wenn Alle Bruder Schweigen: Grosse Bildband uber die Waffen SS_ ["When All
the Brothers are Silent": Great Photo Book of the Waffen-SS]. Osnabruck,
Germany: Munin, 1981.
Wilhelm, Theodor. _German Education Today_. Berlin: Terramare Office, 1937.
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National Socialist Motion Pictures on videocassette:
_Assorted Nazi Political Films_ (1932-1943). Videorecording; Chicago:
International Historic Films, 1985.
_Der ewige Jude_ [The Ever-present Jew] (Fritz Hippler, 1940). Videore-
cording; Chico, CA: Tamarelle, 1985.
_Hitlerjunge Quex_ [Hitler Youth Quex] (Hans Steinhoff, 1933). Videore-
cording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1984.
_Jud Suss_ [The Jew Suess] (Veit Harlan, 1940). Videorecording; Chicago:
International Historic Films, 1984.
_Olympia_ [in two parts] (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938). Videorecording; Los
Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1984. Part 1: Fest der Volker [Fest-
ival of the Nations]; Part 2: Fest der Schonheit [Festival of Beauty].
_Triumph des Willens: Das Dokument vom Reichsparteitag 1934_ [Triumph of the
Will: The Documentary of the 1934 Realm Party Congress] (Leni Riefenstahl,
1935). Videorecording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1985, or Los
Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1986.
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Contemporary National Socialist Fiction:
Macdonald, Andrew (pseudonym). _Hunter_. Hillsboro, WV: National Vanguard
Books, 1989.
Macdonald, Andrew (pseudonym). _The Turner Diaries, Second Edition_. Hills-
boro, WV: National Vanguard Books, 1988.
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Supplementary works --
* While surveying the following works, please keep in mind that each con- *
* tains Establishment-mandated anti-National Socialist cliches and mis- *
* leading, mirepresented or patently false data. In addition, a majority *
* of the authors have varying degrees of anti-National Socialist biases, *
* most commonly a pro-Establishment political agenda. *
* May the reader be enlightened by these works, while recognizing and *
* overcoming their subjectivity and error. *
Adam, Peter. _Art of the Third Reich_. New York: Abrams, 1992.
Beyerchen, Alan D. _Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics
Community in the Third Reich_. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1977.
Bramwell, Anna C. _Blood and Soil: Walther Darre and Hitler's "Green Party"_.
Abbotsbrook, Buckinghamshire, UK: Kensal Press, 1985.
Bramwell, Anna C. _Ecology in the Twentieth Century: A History_. New Haven,
CT: Yale University Press, 1989.
Bramwell, Anna C. "Was This Man 'Father of the Greens?'," in _History Today_,
volume 34 (September 1984), pp. 7-13.
Cocks, Geoffrey. _Psychotherapy in the Third Reich: The Goring Institute_.
New York: Oxford University Press, 1985.
De Zayas, Alfred M., with Walter Rabus. _The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau,
1939-1945_. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1989.
_"Degenerate Art": The Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_. Edited by
Stephanie Barron. Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York:
Abrams, 1991.
Dominick, Raymond H., III. "The Nazis and the Nature Conservationists," in
_The Historian_, volume 49, #4 (August 1987), pp. 508-538.
Field, Geoffrey G. _Evangelist of Race: The Germanic Vision of Houston
Stewart Chamberlain_. New York: Columbia University Press, 1981.
Garrity, John A. "The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,"
in _The American Historical Review_, volume 78, #4 (October 1973), pp.
907-944.
Geuter, Ulfried. _The Professionalization of Psychology in Nazi Germany_.
Translated by Richard J. Holmes. New York: Cambridge University Press,
1992.
Greenwood, Harry Powys. _The German Revolution_. London: Routledge, 1934.
Grossman, S. "C.G. Jung and National Socialism," in _Journal of European Stud-
ies_, volume 9, #4 (1979), pp. 231-259.
Grunfeld, Frederic V. _The Hitler File: A Social History of Germany and the
Nazis_. New York: Random House, 1974.
Guillebaud, C.W. _The Economic Recovery of Germany from 1933 to the Incorpor-
ation of Austria in March 1938_. London: Macmillan, 1939.
Herbert, Ulrich. "Good Times, Bad Times," in _History Today_, volume 36
(February 1986), pp. 42-48.
Herf, Jeffrey. _Reactionary Modernism: Technology, Culture, and Politics in
Weimar and the Third Reich_. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1984.
Hermand, Jost. _Old Dreams of a New Reich: Volkish Utopias and National
Socialism_. Translated by Paul Levesque and Stefan Soldovieri. Blooming-
ton: Indiana University Press, 1992.
Herzstein, Robert E. _The War That Hitler Won: The Most Infamous Propaganda
Campaign in History_. New York: Putnam, 1978.
Hinz, Berthold. _Art in the Third Reich_. Translated by Robert and Rita
Kimber. New York: Pantheon, 1979.
Hopfinger, K.B. _The Volkswagen Story, Revised Third Edition_. Cambridge,
MA: Robert Bentley, 1971.
Hull, David S. _Film in the Third Reich: A Study of the German Cinema,
1933-1939_. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1969.
Irving, David. _Goring: A Biography_. London: Macmillan, 1989.
_____. _Hess: The Missing Years 1941-1945_. London: Macmillan, 1987.
_____. _Hitler's War_. New York: Viking, 1977. **
_____. _The War Path: Hitler's Germany 1933-1939_. New York: Viking, 1978.
Kamenetsky, Christa. _Children's Literature in Hitler's Germany: The Cultural
Policy of National Socialism_. Athens, OH: Ohio University Press, 1984.
Littlejohn, David. _Foreign Legions of the Third Reich_ [in four volumes].
San Jose, CA: Bender, 1979-1987. Volume 1: Norway, Denmark, France; Volume
2: Belgium, Great Britain, Holland, Italy, and Spain; Volume 3: Albania,
Czechoslovakia, Greece, Hungary, and Yugoslavia; Volume 4: Poland, the
Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Free India, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland,
and Russia.
_____. _The Patriotic Traitors: The History of Collaboration in German-
Occupied Europe, 1940-1945_. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1972.
Mosse, George L. _The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins of the
Third Reich_. New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1964.
_____. _The Nationalization of the Masses: Political Symbolism and Mass Move-
ments in Germany from the Napoleonic Wars through the Third Reich_. New
York: Howard Fertig, 1975.
_Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and Social Life in the Third Reich_.
Edited by George L. Mosse. Translated by Salvator Attanasio, et.al. New
York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1966.
_Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation_. Edited and translated by Barbara
Miller Lane and Leila J. Rupp. Austin: University of Texas Press, 1978.
Nelson, Walter Henry. _Small Wonder: The Amazing Story of the Volkswagen,
Revised Edition_. Boston: Little, Brown, 1967.
Price, Billy F. _Adolf Hitler: The Unknown Artist_. Houston: B.F. Price,
1984.
Proctor, Robert. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis_. Cambridge, MA:
Harvard University Press, 1988.
Rabinbach, Anson G. "The Aesthetics of Production in the Third Reich," in
_Journal of Contemporary History_, volume 11, #4 (1976), pp. 43-74.
Rhodes, Anthony. _Propaganda: The Art of Persuasion, World War II_. Edited
by Victor Margolin. New York: Chelsea House, 1976.
Rockmore, Tom. _On Heidegger's Nazism and Philosophy_. Berkeley: University
of California Press, 1992.
Rupp, Leila J. _Mobilizing Women for War: German and American Propaganda,
1939-1945_. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1978.
Schiff, Stephen. "Leni's Olympia," in _Vanity Fair_, volume 55, #9 (September
1992), pp. 252-261, 291-296.
Schoenbaum, David. _Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi
Germany 1933-1939_. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1966.
_Scott 1994 Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue_. Sidney, OH: Scott Publishing,
1993. Volume 2, "Bohemia and Moravia," pp. 919-921.
_Ibid_. "Croatia," pp. 802-806.
_Ibid_. Volume 3, "Finland," pp. 205, 223, 226.
_Ibid_. "France," pp. 237, 292-294.
_Ibid_. "Germany," pp. 403-405, 435-439, 447-449.
_Ibid_. "Hungary," pp. 643-644, 691-692.
_Ibid_. "Italy," pp. 857-861, 894-901.
_Ibid_. Volume 4, "Norway," pp. 635, 648-649.
_Ibid_. "Poland," pp. 854-856.
_Ibid_. Volume 5, "Romania," pp. 8-10, 58-61, 70.
_Ibid_. "Slovakia," pp. 366-369.
Sheehan, Thomas. "A Normal Nazi," in _The New York Review of Books_, volume
40, #s 1 and 2 (January 14, 1993), pp. 30-35.
Sluga, Hans. _Heidegger's Crisis: Philosophy and Politics in Nazi Germany_.
Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1993).
Stein, George H. _The Waffen SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War 1939-1945_.
Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1966.
Stephenson, Jill. _Women in Nazi Society_. New York: Barnes & Noble, 1975.
Stibbe, Matthew. "Women and the Nazi State," in _History Today_, volume 43
(November 1993), pp. 35-40.
Stieg, Margaret F. "The Nazi Public Library and the Young Adult," in _Top of
the News_, volume 43, #1 (Fall 1986), pp. 45-57.
_____. _Public Libraries in Nazi Germany_. Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama
Press, 1992.
Taylor, A.J.P. _The Origins of the Second World War_. New York: Atheneum,
1962.
Toland, John. _Adolf Hitler_. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1976.
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of Blood and Soil," in _Historian_, volume 34, #1 (November 1971), pp.
62-77.
Weir, L.H. _Europe at Play: A Study of Recreation and Leisure-Time Activi-
ties_. New York: A.S. Barnes, 1937.
Whiteside, Andrew G. _The Socialism of Fools: Georg Ritter von Schonerer and
Austrian Pan-Germanism_. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1975.
** A new edition has been issued by Focal Point Publications of London, which
includes both _Hitler's War_ and _The War Path_, revised in accordance with
new data and the author's dismissal of the Holocaust Myth.
Please note: To facilitate library catalog searches, umlauts have purposely
not been anglicized.
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Opinions expressed or implied are solely those of the author, and do not
necessarily reflect the positions of any particular organization or
publication.
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>Why do you give that "Hitler salute?"
>
> The Aryan Salute, the right arm extended forward with open hand turned palm
> up or down, is an ancient greeting first used by warriors to designate an
> absence of ready weapons and hostility. The common military salute is a
> more convenient adaptation of this millenia-old custom.
Well, no doubt the use of the right hand in many cases, as with a
hand-shake, was symbolic of showing that you had no weapon at the
ready.
But the common military salute, hand to the brim of the hat or
forehead, is probably derived from an older ritual of removing one's
hat in the presence of superiors. That probably got shortened over
time to just touching the front brim of the hat as if to remove it and
finally ritualized to its current form. Another similar theory has it
related to armored knights lifting their visor as further indication
that they were disarming themselves.
So all that your explanation explains is why the right hand was used,
not the gesture itself, nor any interesting relationship to any other
gesture other than they often use the right hand.
Try again.
>Why do you hate Democracy?
>
> National Socialists embrace _genuine_ Democracy, but reject the Establish-
> ment's false Democracy, where the illusion of participatory government is
> manifested in a controlled system of "choices" which all invariably lead to
> the _same_ end.
You'll find almost exactly these words in any communist rag, I've seen
it many times before.
Anyone who can't otherwise establish any popularity seems prone to
this kind of sour grapes stuff.
Maybe the reason the populace doesn't pay more attention to your point
of view is simply because they think you're brainless jackasses? It
could be possible.
>Why do you hate America?
>
> National Socialists love the America founded by our pioneer ancestors, but
> despise the "New America" of crime and corruption, decadence and degenera-
> cy, lies and lewdness.
Oh, I see, you only hate any America that happens to exist...but
you're comfortable enough with the concept. Ah-yup.
> America's founders envisioned a land where Aryans from every European Nation
> could build a new life, and by hard work and noble ideals, build a great
> country. America became a great country because its Aryan men and women
> _made_ it a great country.
And their slaves and a few score million immigrants but hey who's to
quibble the details...This is the only view of history that fits
Hermann's philosophy so it *must* be true.
> Traditional American Ideals of Honesty, Courage, Commitment, Determination,
> Ingenuity, and Industriousness have been subverted because the American
> People are one of the last obstacles the World Manipulators must overcome
> to achieve their "New World Order" of absolute power and unchecked accumu-
> lation of your wealth. This ongoing destruction of our People is the sin-
> ister work of alien anti-Americans, who pose as Americans, and who are dili-
> gently assisted by the treasonous Washington Criminals.
You wouldn't happen to have an address so I can send these evil people
a nasty letter, would you?
> Many great Americans, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and Walt
> Disney believed in National Socialism, and worked to prevent the enslavement
> of our People. Today's National Socialists demand a return to the Ideals
> that made this a once great land, and work to restore the prosperity and
> prestige the American People deserve.
When are you referring to, exactly?
As Dick Gregory once said, "Let's bring back the good old days, let's
bring back POLIO!"
>Why don't you believe in human rights?
>
> National Socialists believe that a People's right to choose how they live
> with whom they choose to live with -- the right of self-determination -- is
> _the_ most fundamental, inalienable human right.
For some people, of course wherever it conflicts with an "Aryan",
well, we all know the story...
The key to this one is in their limited definition of who is a person
or human.
> The Aryan Race has been denied self-determination through the actions of
> both internal and external forces, these forces operating out of hatred
> and/or self-interest to inhibit the social and economic health of Aryan
> families worldwide, with the ultimate goal being the extinction of our kind
> through genocidal social, political, and economic programs.
>
> National Socialism's foremost goal is the liberation of the Aryan Race from
> these genocidal policies, and implementation of alternatives which will
Whoa, what "genocidal policies" are these again? You mean the
"genocidal social, political and economic programs"? Umm, my head is
starting to spin from this circularity.
>Part of
> this goal is to liberate the mind and soul of Americans from the unjusti-
> fied guilt complex instilled by the Establishment's schools and churches
> and perpetuated by the Jewish-controlled media.
Ah there ya go, we have our first non-humans, OUT!
> The "concern" about "human rights" by the Jewish-controlled media and among
> Establishment academicians and politicians is a clever sham designed to ob-
> fuscate, hiding the _real_ causes of oppression and injustice in the world.
I think this is pretty obfuscated.
> The Establishment's fraudulent "United Nations" and other "human rights
> organizations" are mere comforting facades, used as tools both to divert
> attention away from the sinister whims of the World Manipulators and to neu-
> tralize opposition to their "New World Order." Examination of the record
> of these "human rights organizations" reveals a very slanted bias toward
> certain issues and groups serving a _clear political agenda_. Most obvious
> is the total lack of genuine censure and _effective_ sanction of Israel's
> decades of murder and oppression against the indigenous People of Palestine.
Um, do you folks consider Palestinians to be "Aryans"? Or is this just
a convenient excuse for you to whine about Israel soas to whine
against Jews I suppose?
So tell us the truth Hermann, would you want your sister marrying a
Palestinian? Would you want one living next door to you? Could a
Palestinian succeed within your national socialist hierarchy?
Tell the truth.
> National Socialists believe in _genuine_ human rights for all Peoples.
Except dem joos who control the media and no doubt this other long
list of "enemies of the state".
But, I mean, hey them mud peoples are just criminals by definition so
how can anyone object to that?
>Why are you such male chauvinists?
>
> Despite what Establishment academicians and the Jewish-controlled media in-
> sist you believe, male National Socialists consider our racial sisters
> _partners_ in the struggle for racial rejuvenation and progress, as activ-
> ists, warriors, _and_ mothers.
Huh? Quote, please!
>Just who do you consider "Aryan?"
>
> National Socialists recognize individuals as biologically Aryan if they are
> wholly of non-Jewish, non-Asiatic European ancestry, descendants of the
> autochthonous Peoples of the contemporary States of Austria, Belarus, Bel-
> gium, Britain, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Ger-
> many, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland,
> Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and Ukraine. Many persons
> of Albanian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Georgian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Por-
> tuguese, Romanian, Serbian, and Spanish heritage also qualify as Aryan,
> their ancestors being pioneers of Aryan communities in those lands.
Well, so much for the Palestinians.
See! I told ya!
> It is terribly painful to realize our grandparents' generation was _used_
> by the Roosevelt regime and the shadow string-pullers behind that cabal,
> but the facts demonstrate that indeed the American People were deceived
> -- abused -- by traitors, to compel them to fight their brothers and sis-
> ters in Germany during World War II.
Wait! I thought you said those were the good old days we must return
to?
Damn this is confusing if you happen to have a functioning short-term
memory...
> Are the American People happier today than before the war? Are American
> schools better, streets safer, cities more beautiful today than before the
> war?
Aha, those *were* the good old days, back when our grandfathers were
being used...hmm.
>Who are these "World Manipulators?"
>
> The World Manipulators are an international network of highly resourceful
> fanatics who believe it their rightful destiny to be Lords of the Earth.
> This network of organized crime has become a de facto, quasi-secret "super-
> government," exercising near absolute power over the world's banking sys-
> tem, and tremendous influence over the world's mass media and most of the
> world's ostensibly legitimate governments.
I *think* "who" meant, like, names or addresses or something?
> Jews, members of a People who have chosen themselves to rule the World,
> comprise a majority of the World Manipulators, with substantial numbers of
> Aryans and Asians intoxicated with Judaic thought also participating in this
> obscene racket.
Gosh that's a lot of people! Surely you must have some names!
> The Zionist Occupational Government, or alternately, Jewish Occupational
> Government, is an entity under the hegemony of the World Manipulators who
> stealthily coordinate the policies of the several occupation governments
> wielding power over the Aryan Nations to provide an uniform tyranny as well
> as an united front of the "international community" against any potential
> threat. ZOG is an _occupation_ government because it is commanded by in-
> filtrators _from a foreign power_ who gained entry to the United States for
> the real purpose of sabotage of America's legitimate authority, armed for-
> ces, and economy leading to our unavoidable capitulation as a sovereign
> Nation.
Uh, capitulation to who?
I mean if they're already so in control as you say I'd have to call
that capitulation as it stands. And if not then, well, one has to
capitulate to someone or something, another nation perhaps?
Gosh Hermann this is all so vague...
> Because today's political world has changed phenomenally since the days of
> Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, the American National
> Socialist Movement of 1994 is multi-faceted, without a centralized organi-
> zation and with a diversity of tactical approaches to achieve our most im-
> portant goal.
Read: You can sometimes find about ten or so people who agree with
this stuff in any major city, but they don't talk to each other
much...
> Since the World Manipulators have a "golden grip" on the political systems
> of Western Nations, National Socialists have little or no chance of imple-
> menting the Will of the Aryan Majorities through conventional means at this
> time.
Hmm, what are "conventional means"? Sounds ominous.
And more importantly, what are *non*-conventional means?
> The time for direct action and a national organization has not yet arrived.
Maybe that time will come when Hermann finds a second person
interested in his views?
>Therefore, drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual deviants/perverts,
> "thrill-seekers," Charlie Manson fanatics, and the mentally and morally
> unstable are not welcome in the National Socialist Movement.
Well, it's good to hear you have standards! At least you won't let
"Charlie Manson fanatics" in.
>The alternative is for Aryan men to
> serve the "New World Order" on their knees, and for Aryan women to serve on
> their backs.
Waiter? CHECK PLEASE!
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Subject: Re: A partial answer for Greg Raven (Auschwitz figures)
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 18 Aug 94 15:54:50 -0500
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Lisa Nyman writes:
>Ok, let's adopt Raven's method to our justice system. From now on
>a prosecutor can only use one bit of evidence to convict. Oh,
>and eyewitnesses don't count.
>This Parrot is really getting too pathetic.
Well, the Holosophists continue on with the same old line.
What Mr. Raven is proposing is quite simply understood by any intelligent,
_honest_ person reading his posts: he is requesting the Holosophists to
present their single _strongest_ piece of evidence which supports their
allegation of genocide against the Jews. He is _not_ claiming that there is
only one piece of evidence, rather that we must look at each piece individ-
ually, and he has asked for the _strongest_ one first.
Of course the Holosophists don't want to follow this methodology, for myths
don't stand up too long under such conditions.
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From: Brian Harmon
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Subject: Re: A partial answer for Greg Raven (Auschwitz figures)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 01:40:32 -0500
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MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR. writes:
>Lisa Nyman writes:
>
>>Ok, let's adopt Raven's method to our justice system. From now on
>>a prosecutor can only use one bit of evidence to convict. Oh,
>>and eyewitnesses don't count.
>
>>This Parrot is really getting too pathetic.
>
>Well, the Holosophists continue on with the same old line.
welcome back, miltie. (or is it hermie?)
hmm. The same old line being that the holocaust happened, I suppose
you grow weary of those damn geologicosophists claiming that the earth is round?
eh?
Or those damn anthropologists who keep shitting on your silly
"The Aryan Race is the Founder of all Culture" Nazi bullshit?
>What Mr. Raven is proposing is quite simply understood by any intelligent,
>_honest_ person reading his posts: he is requesting the Holosophists to
>present their single _strongest_ piece of evidence which supports their
>allegation of genocide against the Jews. He is _not_ claiming that there is
>only one piece of evidence, rather that we must look at each piece individ-
>ually, and he has asked for the _strongest_ one first.
Hmm. But Raven wants to deal with each piece separately, as if
the occurrence of any event can be proven/disproven on one single iota
of evidence.
While we're on the subject of parrots, Mr. Miltie, why are you
repeating Raven's silliness about "The single strongest Piece of evidence"
almost word for word?
But hey, to show you the silliness of Raven's requirement for
"one piece of evidence at a time, why don't we start with something
simpler. Why don't you present the single best piece of evidence that the
Second World War ever happened, and we'll take it from there.
Brian Harmon
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Human memory is the glue that bonds the massive physical evidence
into a coherent and unified history.
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: A partial answer for Greg Raven (Auschwitz figures)
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>What Mr. Raven is proposing is quite simply understood by any intelligent,
>_honest_ person reading his posts: he is requesting the Holosophists to
>present their single _strongest_ piece of evidence which supports their
>allegation of genocide against the Jews. He is _not_ claiming that there is
>only one piece of evidence, rather that we must look at each piece individ-
>ually, and he has asked for the _strongest_ one first.
>
>Of course the Holosophists don't want to follow this methodology, for myths
>don't stand up too long under such conditions.
Yes yes Hermann, it's all a conspiracy and/or everyone is far more
stupid than you I suppose...
I asked him, by way of clarification, to point out what he feels is
the strongest single piece of evidence that World War II occurred.
And Raven tried, but managed to point out about ten things rather than
one, any one of which alone probably wouldn't stand up as very good
evidence.
I'd like to think even Raven learned something from that exercise but
unfortunately I doubt it. You certainly didn't.
You can't really prove millions of murders over a period of years at
places scattered hundreds of miles from each other with one piece of
evidence. And that's all that's at issue. Proving one or even ten
deaths would hardly be interesting. etc. How much could one single
piece of evidence possibly prove about anything so large. I chose WWII
for a reason since it's on a similar scale (e.g. singular crimes like
OJ Simpson would hardly be good analogies since you're only trying to
prove one event in that case, even there what is the single best
evidence? Isn't it, actually, just a stupid question? I think so.)
Just because you have one word encompassing it, The Holocaust, hardly
means it was one event that can be proven by one piece of evidence.
Besides, Raven wants to play silly games. Why should anyone else play?
Just because a few crackpots like you and him doubt it, and then
proceed to invent bizarre standards of proof you'd like to see adhered
to? I have a better answer, fuck you (plural), you're crazy. Fair
enough? Probably not.
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Subject: Re: Can Kleim go where Raven is afraid to?
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 19 Aug 94 07:39:53 -0500
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Richard Schultz replies to my post:
>>[Raven] is requesting the Holosophists [sic] to
>>present their single _strongest_ piece of evidence which supports their
>>allegation of genocide against the Jews. He is _not_ claiming that there is
>>only one piece of evidence, rather that we must look at each piece individ-
>>ually, and he has asked for the _strongest_ one first.
>Then maybe you'll be willing to do something for us that Raven seems to
>be unwilling to: give us your single strongest piece of evidence that
>World War II occurred. This shouldn't be too difficult.
The Declaration of War by the United States on Japan.
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Subject: Who -- Or What -- Is Ken McVay?
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 19 Aug 94 07:50:19 -0500
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Mr. Ken McVay, there are many unanswered questions about your Net activities,
the answers to which reflect upon your credibility. Surely if your motives for
your "anti-fascist" activities are truly selfless, you will not hesitate to
answer these questions, so that all may know how you accomplish your costly,
labor-intensive tasks --
- Where do you derive your funding for your equipment, and to support the
obviously time-consuming labor needed to maintain your vast Holocaust and
Fascism archives?
- Do you receive funding from Jewish or other groups?
- Do you work as an agent, voluntarily or for pay, of a Jewish-oriented or-
ganization?
- If your answer to either of the preceding two questions is in the affirma-
tive, why should anyone consider you an objective individual?
- Is your motivation not idealism, but rather an egotistical desire for
fame, and possibly even financial gain?
- What documentation can you offer to substantiate any of your response to
these questions?
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Subject: Re: Who -- Or What -- Is Ken McVay?
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Hermann you're getting frantic, this stuff is pathetic. If you have a
response to the facts of the matter respond, this feeble and
scatterbrained attempt at character assasination is cheap and tawdry.
But I must admit you are starting to think just like a Nazi! Der
Fuhrer would be zo proud!
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>Mr. Ken McVay, there are many unanswered questions about your Net activities,
>the answers to which reflect upon your credibility. Surely if your motives for
>your "anti-fascist" activities are truly selfless, you will not hesitate to
>answer these questions, so that all may know how you accomplish your costly,
>labor-intensive tasks --
>
>- Where do you derive your funding for your equipment, and to support the
> obviously time-consuming labor needed to maintain your vast Holocaust and
> Fascism archives?
>
>- Do you receive funding from Jewish or other groups?
>
>- Do you work as an agent, voluntarily or for pay, of a Jewish-oriented or-
> ganization?
>
>- If your answer to either of the preceding two questions is in the affirma-
> tive, why should anyone consider you an objective individual?
>
>- Is your motivation not idealism, but rather an egotistical desire for
> fame, and possibly even financial gain?
yeah, unlike hermann's incessant bolstering of the American
Nazi Party here...
>
>- What documentation can you offer to substantiate any of your response to
> these questions?
Oh, you forgot:
And remember, Mr McVay, we have WAYS of making you talk!
har, didn't I once see you on Hogan's Heroes?
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Subject: Re: Can Kleim go where Raven is afraid to?
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>>Then maybe you'll be willing to do something for us that Raven seems to
>>be unwilling to: give us your single strongest piece of evidence that
>>World War II occurred. This shouldn't be too difficult.
>The Declaration of War by the United States on Japan.
What would that prove?
The US never even declared war on Vietnam, would you deny that
something which the word "war" adequately covers occurred there in the
period 1963-1974? Would you use lack of a declaration as evidence that
the US never carpet-bombed Laos?
Unless you only mean that it would prove that at least technically the
US and Japan were in a state of war from sometime around December 8,
1941. I suppose that would be tautological since all you need to be in
a state of war is a declaration of war. But it would hardly prove that
even one shot was ever fired.
And that's hardly a "World War" no matter how one quibbles the
phrase. In the same idiotic way that revisionists niggle points I
could say that this one bit of evidence, the unilateral declaration of
war by the United States on Japan, can hardly construe a "World War"
by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you want to claim that the
whole world is just the US and Japan.
And that's not just playing games, that's PRECISELY the problem with
this moronic "single best evidence" nonsense. That's why the
counter-question to show the same sort of evidence that WWII occurred
was offered. It's, well I said it already, moronic.
You can't prove something whose very definition is a multiplicity of
events by one single piece of evidence.
Even your own nazi-addled brain ought to be able to see that point,
independent of your views on the matter. Raven just thinks he's being
clever, he doesn't give two shits about the underlying truth, he just
views himself as a clever liar. Well, he's not very clever except
maybe in his own mind, obviously he fools no one else here.
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Subject: Re: Kvestion:
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 23 Aug 94 11:46:37 -0500
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Adrian Cybriwsky writes:
>however, i ask the following questions: if a black exhibits superior
>genetic qualities, shall he be allowed to intermix with whites if his
>genes are deemed superior to the 'aryan average?'
No, because the natural Order deems this wrong. And just what do _you_ mean
by "superior genetic qualities?" The ability to play basketball?
>why should the bottom 10%.. 20%.. 50%.. 99%! of the 'aryan average' not be
>lopped off in order to heighten the 'aryan average?' certainly, if we are
>concerned with genetics and not inherently color, then we (of say the
>upper 50% of the 'aryan average' would not have a problem lopping off the
>bottom 10%.
Indeed. National Socialism promotes the concept of active eugenics, or the
constant improvement of the Aryan Race. It is our desire for each Aryan
generation to have a higher average quality than the one before, even if only
slightly.
The least capable elements -- the residue of generations of dysgenic breeding
-- within the Aryan Race will be discouraged from reproducing, with heavy taxes
being levied if they do, or sterilization being undertaken in the most extreme
cases where persons of the most defective nature attempt to reproduce. Through
these eugenic measures Aryans will be better each generation, and Aryan society
will be happier and more productive.
The Chinese are implementing such principles right now, because they know that
such programs will benefit the Chinese People, and the North East Asian Race
as a whole. They have a huge gene pool, and know, as with any living organism,
you have to "prune" the weakest elements so that the strongest can attain
greater heights.
>skinheads and such have some (many) logically valid points, but yet they
>seem to be blind to the idea that their valid points will never be
>accepted by a mainstream until they stop their bullshit and put on an
>appearance of legitimacy and purpose.
Skinheads are merely one aspect of the National Socialist Movement. They are
the militant arm of our Movement, a sort of proto-defense force, an "SA."
Regardless of what National Socialists do to "repackage" our philosophy, most
Americans are either: 1) conditioned to react violently and irrationally to
National Socialism, sort of like a patient with a disease that affects his
mind causing him to prevent the doctors from aiding his recovery; 2) fearful
of our philosophy, not only because of the bullshit spewed by the Jewsmedia,
but also because their comfortable lives might be upset if their "dear, old
traditions" of a "conservative, 'Christian,' 'middle-class' lifestyle are
questioned; 3) unable to understand it, either because of a lack of cognitive
ability and/or a lack of foundational premises to understand the principles of
National Socialism (sort of like the "unthinkable ideas" in _1984_).
I for one am not going to lie to anyone to promote our Vision and Way of Life.
Dressing National Socialism up in "conservative" facades, as many attempt to
do, will NOT disguise our philosophy for one second. And, anyone who is too
cowardly to exclaim clearly what they believe and NAME THE ENEMY is not an
asset to our Movement anyway.
"[T]he inner truth and greatness of National Socialism," to quote Martin
Heidegger, will eventually surface widely, despite the most intensive hate
campaign against it, its leaders, and its followers since the "witch hunts"
of the Middle Ages. We need not compromise its sound principles and the
Living Truth which it is rooted in because the masses are too befuddled,
brainwashed, or yellow to grasp it.
Every thing that is based on Truth will succeed in time.
>consider the 'cornerstones' of skinheadism when thought of by average people
>(stereotypes here are based in reality.).. .ska music, jack boots, violent
>music, beating people up, a few (ex-nazi?) old-guys writing anti-everybody
>pamphlets.
We are not dealing with "mainstream, 'middle-class' culture." We are looking
at a working-class, urban culture embraced by individuals who have not had
easy and/or happy lives. Any attempt to compare the two is either dishonest
or idiotic. A 'middle-class' observer of the Skinhead culture must adopt the
perspective of an anthropologist to understand the Skinhead culture; he or she
must detach themselves and place themselves in the context of the men and
women who are Skinheads. The easiest way to understand Skinheads is to talk
with and/or befriend one. You'll find their Ideals admirable and that their
"attitude" stems from a thoroughly justified disgust with what their elders
have done to their heritage. But then, most Americans are too lazy and/or
bigoted to understand someone _relative to that person's way of life_, whether
they be Aryan, African, or otherwise.
>the nazi ideal (as evil as too many of the activities of the nazis were) was a
>well-dressed, intelligent, handsome person that people could look up to
>and respect.
There is no "Nazi Ideal." National Socialism is a broad-based, all-encompassing
Movement. That is why Adolf Hitler succeeded in the first place; he was the
leader not of the monied leisure-class, nor of the 'middle-class,' nor of
the working class. Hitler was the leader of the _German People_ -- all of
them -- regardless of class or other trivial delineations.
Today's National Socialist Movement, keeping with the most basic principles of
the philosophy, reaches out to all Aryans -- Skinheads, blue-collar workers,
farmers, doctors, EVERYBODY. We're not a Movement of "pretty-faces" in
suits, so typical of the lying criminal politicians that are dished out by
the Establishment for the People to smile at or cuss. National Socialism is
a Movement of the WHOLE PEOPLE. Skinheads, complete with the "brutish"
attitude and look, are a valued and respected part of our network of comrades.
>skinheads today posess potentially valid ideas.. but who the
>hell is going to listen to them from a bunch of kids who take drugs in
>between 'dancing' by throwing themselves against each other?
Where did you find these "skinheads" who are drug-takers? They can adopt
the style and call themselves what they wish, but no National Socialist-
embracing Skinhead takes drugs.
Beer is another story... A tradition from Muenchen carried on. :-)
> let's face it. skinheadism in this country attracts very
>intelligent people and downright STUPID people. if it is to attract a
>mainstream.. if its message is to be legitimized, the intelligent people
>must re-think their means and get serious.
National Socialism is totally legitimate, and our tactics are appropriate for
our resources. The problem is not with National Socialism, but with the
Jewsmedia and its lies.
> if not, expect to be treated like sideshows.
We'll be treated as clowns, criminals, and whatnot until the Jewsmedia is
neutralized, and the American mass-media is once again in AMERICAN hands.
We accept the fact that we'll be maligned. We're big boys, and can take the
abuse.
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 08:42:21 -0500
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Schultz writes:
>>But what exactly is a revisionist? A revisionist is just somebody who
>>doubts orthodox history, nothing less, but certainly nothing more.
>That is a somewhat, let us say, untraditional understanding of what a
>"revisionist" is. "Revisionist history" (at least when I was in high
>school) does not generally refer to people who "doubt orthodox history"
>per se. Generally, I have only seen it used to describe people who take
>issue with standard *interpretations* of historical events; the only
>people I have seen use it to mean denial of actual historical events
>are people who deny that the Holocaust happened.
Who's denying historical events? No revisionist ever denies that hundreds of
thousands of Jews died during WWII. People usually die in wars. We are indeed
questioning the _interpretation_ of events during WWII, namely, the reasons
those Jews died. You insist it was a program of murder with "gas chambers"; we
propose they died from the normal effects of a large-scale war, from the common
causes of disease and starvation.
>I have in the past posted examples of what the common understanding of
>"Revisionist history" is. One such example is one that we read in high
>school. After learning about the Franco-Prussian War from the "orthodox"
>point of view, we read a revisionist account that argued that in fact the
>Franco-Prussian War was not an example of Bismarck's diplomatic skill, but
>rather the result of accident and bumbling on his part that happened to
>come out okay for Prussia. Another (in my mind more reasonable) example
>was a historian who argued (using the American and French revolutions as
>examples) that the violent phase of a revolution occurs *after* the actual
>transfer of power, and that the resulting government is usually more
>powerful and restrictive that the one it replaced, but because it solved
>the problem that led to the revolution remains popular. Note that in these
>cases, the historian is not *denying* the historical event, only
>reinterpreting it. Unlike your newfangled brand of self-styled "revisionists."
Which "historical events" are we denying? We merely challenge your side's
interpretation (read: dogma) of the dissolution of European Jewry.
>>Witnesses are not always trustworthy.
>That depends on what you mean by "trustworthy." If you mean that
>eyewitness accounts of an event will differ in detail, you are correct.
>But if 30 people testify that two cars collided, even though individual
>witnesses may give conflicting testimony about the colors of the cars, or
>even the sequence of events, (this of course is the famous trick played
>by law school professors who stage a "holdup" and then ask the calss to
>write down what just happened), the car accident itself is almost certainly
>beyond dispute.
And just what do your eyewitnesses claim? Which of them can provide the
text for the order to exterminate the Jews? Which of them can describe
the construction of homicidal gas chambers? Which of them can offer an
explanation of how the Holy "Six Million" was established?
All your "eyewitnesses" can offer is secondary substantiation of the deaths
of thousands of Jews.
>I'm not sure what it is that you deny exactly. You admit that the Nazi
>government (N.B. to Skaliks et al. as to who called the "germans" [sic]
>anti-semitic) was anti-Semitic. Do you deny the Nuremberg laws?
>Kristallnacht? The invasion of Poland and Russia? The Einsatzgruppen?
>The death camps? If you believe that there was *not* a mass murder of
>Jews in Europe during World War II, then *you* have to answer the same
>question that has proved so problematic for your "revisionist" buddies:
>where did they all go?
And since when are the defensive wars against Poland and Bolshevik Russia
"anti-Semitic," indeed part of the "Final Solution?"
To make the assertion that the Holy Six Million are missing, one has to be
able to demonstrate that there were/are six million Jews missing. None of
you has done that. You prove the destruction of the Holy Six Million, and then
we'll deal with that issue.
>But in all of your above meanderings, you have made one essential
>mistake. I will give you credit and assume that it was indeed a mistake.
>That mistake was to assume that the proof of the Holocaust is solely from
>eyewitness testimony. It is not. I suggest that if you really are
>interested in finding out the truth as opposed to the obvious agenda that
>our other net.revisionists have been pushing, you take a close look at
>_Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the Gas Chambers_ by Jean-Claude
>Pressac (tr. Peter Moss, New York: The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989).
>In particular, take a look at the chapter entitled "`One proof. . .one
>single proof': Thirty-Nine Criminal Traces" (pp. 429-458). Pressac
>shows that homicidal gas chambers were built at Auschwitz *without relying
>on eyewitness testimony*. And elswhere in the book, he makes a point of
>discounting eyewitness testimony where it might be suspect. I think he
>even takes it a little far when he starts criticizing paintings done after
>the war by Olere because they are more symbolic than photographic
>representations of what happened.
And whomever has read the refutation of Pressac knows what a joke his work is.
_You_ are accusing the German People of genocide; why don't you provide the
evidence for your indictment? Original German documents, please.
And there's that "obvious agenda" bullshit again. Just what sort of agenda
do YOU, McVay, and Keren have, Schultz? "Of course" you and your merry fellows
are just "idealists" who want to stop us "nasty Nazis" from "denying" the
"Holy Sacrifice" made by those "poor, totally innocent" (self-chosen) Jews.
I don't deny my motives for revisionism. Do you have the honor and courage to
admit YOUR motives in defending the Holy Hoax?
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Subject: Re: Best single proof of WWII
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 08:47:11 -0500
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Steve Miller respond to John Park:
>>Suppose a film showing combat during WWII was offered as the best single
>>proof of WWII happening, Would Raven, etc. insist that this film be
>>discussed frame by frame?
>No.
>>If it were a document, would they insist it be done word-by-word?
>No.
>>How about letter-by-letter? How about grain-by-grain within a frame?
>No. And do you know why?
>>Ah, they're just forgories anyway would be the claim.
>Ah, you DO know why.
>What I'd like to know is WHO made/is making these forgeries. If it's the
>JEWISH CONSPIRACY, they've got AMAZING resources; hell, they're even able to
>convince people that they knew Jews who were dragged off while their
>property was being seized.
They don't necessarily have to _make_ the photographs and films. They're
usually genuine. What makes them into "Holocaust documentation" is the
captions and commentary.
I could obtain photographs or a movie of the Soviet gulags, put some clever
captions on the former and have a dramatic narration for the latter, and
presto!, I have "documentation" for "mass murder" of Germans.
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Subject: Re: TO ALL REVISIONISTS:
Message-ID: <1994Aug24.085439.1520@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 08:54:38 -0500
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Steve Ridley writes:
>I am curious, are most or any revionists National Socialists?
Alot of us, but no one's taken a poll. Probably about half of revisionists
are avowed National Socialists, or at least sympathetic to the philosophy.
>And how did you people begin to think this way about the holocaust.
For me, the knowledge of the mythical character of the Holocaust preceeded
my adoption of National Socialism. Indeed, that I discovered the phoniness
of the "atrocity" stories, and who was behind them and why accelerated my
philosophical journey toward National Socialism.
The perception of the world instilled in me by the Jewish-controlled media and
the Establishment's institutions of ignorance (elementary and high school)
disintegrated upon my learning of the truth behind the Holy Hoax and its
Holy Six Million.
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Subject: Re: To Mr. Danny Keren: Why don't you reply...
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 09:01:10 -0500
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Brian Trosko responds to musmint:
>: A good historian would ask
>: "Is it possible that this document is a forgery?"
>: "Is it technically possible to forge such documents and get away with it?"
>: "Are there people or institutions that would have something to gain
>: forging such documents?"
>For *any* document, on *any* subject, the answer to above questions
>will be 'yes.' If anyone takes this as proof of forgery, I don't see how
>you could consider that person a 'good' historian. An actual good
>historian would ask
>"What concrete evidence do I have that this is a forged document?"
Is that the basis for modern history? Just create (or modify) a document
suitable for one's thesis, and then expect everyone to _assume_ that it is
_genuine_?
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Subject: Re: Laurence Powell/Stacey Koon
Message-ID: <1994Aug24.093155.1525@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 09:31:54 -0500
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Jumpstarts writes:
>Rodney King is no saint, but so fucking what? It's irrelavant. The fact
>that he pissed the cops off is no excuse for the beating he got. They hit
>him 56 fucking times w/ PR 24's.
The fact of the matter is that King attacked the cops, swinging at Powell
even after being hit twice with taser guns. They had every reason to use all
necessary force to subdue him, including beating him into submission as they
did.
Lucky for King, the officers didn't shoot him -- they had every justification.
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Subject: Re: Revisionists are such impatient fellows
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 24 Aug 94 11:34:50 -0500
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Michael P. Stein writes:
> a) his post would have made it to Danny's machine in Israel,
My questions have been answered!
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>Who's denying historical events? No revisionist ever denies that hundreds of
>thousands of Jews died during WWII.
Gosh hermann, couldn't make it one more sentence without contradicting
yourself.
Who's denying historical events? No sane person ever denies that
dozens of Nazis died during WWII...
Try "millions" of Jews and maybe we can talk...
--
-Barry Shein
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Subject: Re: TO ALL REVISIONISTS:
Message-ID: <1994Aug25.082224.1541@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 08:22:24 -0500
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Keren writes:
>Kleim is a good example of what kind of people "Holocaust revisionism"
>attracts...
>He posts lies which he cannot back up, such as his claims about the method of
>gassing used in the "T4" operation;
So, I don't offer references. Does that automatically mean I'm lying?
How about you providing references for the order Hitler issued to exterminate
the Jews?
>he threatens people,
This is an utter lie.
>uses ugly language,
Like what?
And while we're on this subject, Keren, you will in the future describe me as
a "National Socialist." That is the correct term, not "Nazi." If you refuse
to do so, I will have total justification to call you Keren the Kike.
>tries to dictate the nature of newsgroups he writes to,
More lies. Keren knows full well that it is impossible for anyone to "dictate"
the operations of USENET, including the content of newsgroups.
>and posts numerous racist diatribe of the worst kind.
By its very nature, your Hoaxocaust bullshit is an obscene indictment of the
German People, and indirectly the entire Aryan Race.
>Practically all of the "revisionists" are die-hard Nazis and racists.
>This is obvious to anyone following this newsgroup and "revisionism"
>in general.
Prove it. Offer readers documentation. If you can't, by your own criteria
(see above), YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A LIAR.
BTW, Keren, are you posting from Israel today?
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
[that's the sort of "racist diatribe" I post]
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
Message-ID: <1994Aug25.083730.1542@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 08:37:30 -0500
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Richard Schultz responds to my response:
>>_You_ are accusing the German People of genocide; why don't you provide the
>>evidence for your indictment? Original German documents, please.
>I have *never* accused the German People (tm) of genocide.
My apologies Mr. Schultz. I withdraw the claim.
I didn't think you differed with Elie Wiesel's stance.
>>I don't deny my motives for revisionism. Do you have the honor and courage to
>>admit YOUR motives in defending the Holy Hoax?
>I defend no hoax. If you are asking why I take the time to post to this
>forum, it is primarily for two reasons. The first is that I feel that it is
>my duty to honor the memory of those members of my grandmother's family
>who died in places like Lodz and Ponary that I do what I can to make sure
>that people like you do not succeed in your lies.
And it is my duty to see that the sacrifices of the millions of Aryans (at
least SEVEN million in Ukraine -- deny it if you wish) under Jewish Bolshevism
are neither forgotten nor in vain.
>The second reason is admittedly less noble. The fact is, that you and your
>revisionist buddies are so dense, that it is actually quite fun (in a sadist-
>ic sort of way) in demolishing your arguments.
Keep smiling, Mr. Schultz.
HA HA HA HA.
>Here's a little puzzle for you, by the way. If the Jews control the
>media so successfully, then how did you manage to get and maintain
>access to usenet?
I never said absolute and total control over ALL media. There is an effective
control over the most important media; the television networks, the major
papers, the largest circulation magazines, Hollywood.
The fact that USENET is still relatively uncensored is the reason we're using
it to get the reality behind the media lies out. There is no doubt in my mind
that our time on USENET is limited, especially if our effectiveness grows.
Already there is discussion of various means of censoring views on the Net.
"We must secure the existence of our People and future for White children."
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic] (small addendum)
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 08:53:00 -0500
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Richard Schultz replies to me:
>>Who's denying historical events? No revisionist ever denies that hundreds of
>>thousands of Jews died during WWII.
>I got the distinct impression that "musmint" does not believe that large
>number of Jews died at all. Lammpost has already posted that the number
>of Jews in Poland today is 1,000,000.
Well, Musmint, do you believe that hundreds of thousands of Jews died in WWII?
And just because Tim McCarthy believes there's at least a million Jews in
Poland does not mean he doubts the deaths of a large number of Jews. He's
just implying the Holy Six Million must necessarily become the Holy _Five_
Million.
>>And since when are the defensive wars against Poland and Bolshevik Russia
>>"anti-Semitic," indeed part of the "Final Solution?"
>I challenge you to show where I called the war against Poland and the USSR
>"anti-Semitic".
I didn't say you explicitly wrote that. But in your post there was the clear
implication. I recall (I don't have the post in front of me) you listed other
elements of the "Final Solution" before and after the mention of the attacks
on Poland and Bolshevik Russia, as though there was a continuum.
>Furthermore, I challenge you to give some evidence that in 1939, Poland pre-
>sented any kind of a threat to Germany, and that the USSR mobilized its troops
>prior to the German mobilization in 1941.
See the work, _Documents on the Events Preceding the Outbreak of the War_.
In the beginning (photo section), one will find reproductions of some Polish
propaganda making claims to German territory, including Berlin. This is just
for starters.
For the Russian issue, I'll have to look it up.
>>I don't deny my motives for revisionism.
>I agree that you have never denied that your motive is your love of
>Naziism.
Nope. Love for my own Kind. And it's National Socialism, not "Naziism." If
you insist upon calling NS "Naziism," I will be justified in calling Judaism
"Kikeism."
>On the other hand, I seem to recall that at least some of the
>people at IHR have explicitly denied that they share your motives --
>although you probably are in a better position that I am to tell me
>what their motives really are.
I don't really know what the IHR people are motivated by. The evidence I have
seen indicates that for most of them, IT IS NOT RACISM or "anti-Semitism."
No BS. Fame, glory, money, genuine love for historical truth, I don't know.
But beyond a doubt in my mind _not_ racialism.
"We must secure the existence of our People and future for White children."
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Subject: Re: Best single proof of WWII
Message-ID: <1994Aug25.091154.1544@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 09:11:53 -0500
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Steve Miller replies to me:
>Fair enough. But WHO is forging the commentary and the captions? We saw a
>flood of this stuff after WWII. Had the intelligence agencies of Britain,
>the US, and the Soviet Union been working on this "evidence" throughout the
>war?
Perhaps. The propaganda about "gas chambers" and "electro-chambers" and
"steam chambers" was circulated very early in the war. They were ready when
they obtained the genuine documents in Germany.
>And what about the evidence that the US government knew about the
>extermination programs fairly early in the war?
The rumors about such things were circulated deliberately, just as was done
with the "Belgian babies" and other things in WWI.
>And where are all these forgers? Have any of them come out to tell their
>tales? Is is because there are no forgers, or is it something else?
Most of the work was apparently done either by the KGB or the OSS/CIA. Do
you expect someone who was doing such ciritical work to come forward with
such information? It's more likely for an intelligence agent to come forward
with the real story about Kennedy. And in the USSR, they might just as well
have "liquidated" the evidence of forgery.
>>I could obtain photographs or a movie of the Soviet gulags, put some clever
>>captions on the former and have a dramatic narration for the latter, and
>>presto!, I have "documentation" for "mass murder" of Germans.
>Again, fair enough. However, your forgery would probably be discovered
>fairly quickly.
Why? If the media was controlled by me or by forces friendly to me, how would
this information be disseminated?
>After all, there are most likely other prints of the photographs or movies of
>said Soviet gulags, not to mention individuals who might recognize the actual
>locations presented in the photos and footage.
Indeed. People such as Udo Walendy in Germany have done this.
I recall a work comparing "Nazi atrocity" photographs with the photographs
known to have been taken at Dresden in February 1945.
>I think historians, and common folk, would long since have debunked the kind
>of feeble forgeries you are proposing here, Milton.
A lot of people _have_.
But again, if the purveyors of this propaganda either controlled themselves or
had friends controlling the media, and exercised great coercive power over
the Establishment academia (holding the ability to make or break academic
careers), how would this be properly disseminated to the world?
>And speaking of common folk, how does one account for eyewitness testimony?
>Why are all these people lying? Are they being paid? Who is paying them?
There need not be a conspiracy amongst the vast majority of eyewitnesses.
None of them can offer testimony other than secondary substantiation of the
deaths of alot of people. Some of them can attest to some brutality, which
I don't deny occurred. NONE of the eyewitnesses can prove the deliberate
genocide of Jews, though.
>I find it hard to believe that people would tatoo numbers on themselves just
>to embarrass and/or slander the Germans.
I'm sorry, but this is idiotic. Everyone in the camps were tattooed. SS men
were tattooed. Ostarbeiter were tattooed. Jews with tattoos prove nothing
other than their confinement in a camp.
>And, if a bunch of members of the JEWISH CONSPIRACY are lying about the death
>camps, why do we have German officers and army officials providing their own
>supporting testimony during the post-war trials? What did they have to gain
>in incriminating themselves? The torture and brainwashing theories are just
>as feeble as the forgeries you propose above; the uncertainties and risk of
>discovery are just too great.
Although you wish to discount it, the torture occurred. But it was only one
reason. Another major reason for conforming to the "correct" story was the
desire to save oneself from the braided necktie; Speer being an example.
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Subject: Re: Proof that Milton Kleim has created forged documents!
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 09:15:00 -0500
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Michael P. Stein writes:
> You have presented in the past a memo from the SS Economic
>Administration ordering that the death rate in the concentration camps be
>reduced. You have used this document in support of your thesis that the
>Nazis did *not* intend to exterminate Jews. Since the document is
>suitable for your thesis, we should all be suspicious of its
>authenticity. You expected us to _assume_ that it was genuine; you
>certainly did not offer any proof.
> Therefore, according to your own logic and that of musmint, this must
>be ABSOLUTE PROOF that you forged this German document!
I don't recall any regular on this group assuming the document I presented was
genuine.
My purpose in citing it was not to prove anything to you, but to show to the
lurkers that documents contrary to the Holocaust Myth exist in YOUR OWN
sources.
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 09:20:39 -0500
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Jamie McCarthy writes:
>McVay asks Kleim seven simple questions, over and over, and Kleim over and
>over refuses to answer.
And you fail to mention that I posted replies to his "questions" twice, and
he still posts it as though I didn't.
>How many frickin' times do we have to answer that pissy little question!?
It seems you don't enjoy seeing the same questions over and over and over and
over and over and over and over, do you?
>It's not a sacrifice if no one gains anything by your death.
The establishment of the State of Israel?
>They weren't totally innocent, and they certainly weren't "self-chosen."
Thanks for that admission.
And if they weren't self-chosen, who made them the "Chosen People?" God?
HA!
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Subject: Re: Kvestion:
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 09:54:01 -0500
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Adrian Cybriwsky responds to me:
> No, because the natural Order deems this wrong. And just what do _you_ mean
>: by "superior genetic qualities?" The ability to play basketball?
> i am quite unaware of this 'natural Order.' i am sure you will
> enlighten me. the only natural order i see is entropy.
It is all around you. The Laws of Life. And entropy in human affairs is
counterbalanced by human Will.
>: Indeed. National Socialism promotes the concept of active eugenics, or the
>: constant improvement of the Aryan Race. It is our desire for each Aryan
>: generation to have a higher average quality than the one before, even if only
>: slightly.
> but why not totally? why not kill all but the best two (me and my gf
> ;)? or.. perhaps.. all but the best few?
This is an absurd argument. The ends -- racial survival -- are not served
by killing any member of our Race.
>: The Chinese are implementing such principles right now, because they know that
>: such programs will benefit the Chinese People, and the North East Asian Race
>: as a whole. They have a huge gene pool, and know, as with any living organism,
>: you have to "prune" the weakest elements so that the strongest can attain
>: greater heights.
> the weakest are pruned by default. this is called "natural selection.'
Under totally natural conditions, yes. But in a higher culture, artificial
selection must occur. It's called eugenics.
>: Skinheads are merely one aspect of the National Socialist Movement. They are
>: the militant arm of our Movement, a sort of proto-defense force, an "SA."
> and yet they may be merely one aspect, but i know of no other major
> ones. please, englighten (i have read the FAQs).
Contact the groups listed in the FAQs. You'll learn fast that the Skinheads
are the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of professionals in the Movement
as well.
>: Regardless of what National Socialists do to "repackage" our philosophy, most
>: Americans are either: 1) conditioned to react violently and irrationally to
>: National Socialism, sort of like a patient with a disease that affects his
>: mind causing him to prevent the doctors from aiding his recovery; 2) fearful
>: of our philosophy, not only because of the bullshit spewed by the Jewsmedia,
>: but also because their comfortable lives might be upset if their "dear, old
>: traditions" of a "conservative, 'Christian,' 'middle-class' lifestyle are
>: questioned; 3) unable to understand it, either because of a lack of cognitive
>: ability and/or a lack of foundational premises to understand the principles of
>: National Socialism (sort of like the "unthinkable ideas" in _1984_).
> nobody's asking for you to LIE. i am quite disgusted by your WEAK
> attitude (you are WEAK) of assuming that things cannot be changed
> active participation.
Your attempted insult carries no weight. Conforming tactics to a dire situ-
ation has nothing to do with "weakness."
> you havfe a political stance, but not the balls
> to pursue it in any way that might make it stronger.. you whine
> 'conspiracy' (not unlike a certain race or two which you, i
> gather, dont particularly care for). .. you are AFRAID to try to
> change the stereotypes held by others with regards to your philosophy.
> you are UNAWARE of the idea that 'conservative, christian' traditions
> are very much adaptable to the ideas you preach... and then, you
> stupid, weak, wormlike, shit, you dare simply say that people
> lack your superior ('cognitive ability.'). let it be known, i
> i have never flamed anybody on my years on the net like this before..
> but then again, i have never met such a pansy talking so tough.
More attempted insults, thrown from a big mouth, or in this case, perhaps I
should say keyboard.
Your opinions on our Movement and our tactics are irrelevant.
>: I for one am not going to lie to anyone to promote our Vision and Way of Life.
>: Dressing National Socialism up in "conservative" facades, as many attempt to
>: do, will NOT disguise our philosophy for one second. And, anyone who is too
>: cowardly to exclaim clearly what they believe and NAME THE ENEMY is not an
>: asset to our Movement anyway.
> nobodys asking you to lie. you 'lie' when you speak of goodness and
> socialism and all your ideals and then project an image of violence
> ('the skinhead look.').. your image weakens your message. get
> legitimate or just admit that skinheadism will always be an excuse
> for stupid people to be violent.
Skinheads are _one_ part of the Movement. Or can't you read?
And the Skinhead liefstyle is not an "image of violence"; it is an image of
reality.
>: "[T]he inner truth and greatness of INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN," to quote
>Martin
>: Heidegger, will eventually surface widely, despite the most intensive hate
>: campaign against it, its leaders, and its followers since the "witch hunts"
>: of the Middle Ages. We need not compromise its sound principles and the
>: Living Truth which it is rooted in because the masses are too befuddled,
>: brainwashed, or yellow to grasp it.
> the quote says nothing. it could be about everything.
Your forgery of my post indicates what a yellow shit-ass you really are. You
are cowardly in not repeating my citation from Heidegger:
"[T]he inner truth and greatness of National Socialism."
The quotation speaks for itself.
>: Every thing that is based on Truth will succeed in time.
> naiive, arent you?
Speak for yourself.
>: Today's National Socialist Movement, keeping with the most basic principles of
>: the philosophy, reaches out to all Aryans -- Skinheads, blue-collar workers,
>: farmers, doctors, EVERYBODY. We're not a Movement of "pretty-faces" in
>: suits, so typical of the lying criminal politicians that are dished out by
>: the Establishment for the People to smile at or cuss.
> whining conspiracy theory bullshit.
Then shit-ass, you love Bill Clinton? You think he's doing a good job? You
approve of the electoral system that offers the voters a "choice" between
Criminal A, Criminal B, or Criminal C? You enjoy the lies of the media?
>: > if not, expect to be treated like sideshows.
>: We'll be treated as clowns, criminals, and whatnot until the Jewsmedia is
>: neutralized, and the American mass-media is once again in AMERICAN hands.
>: We accept the fact that we'll be maligned. We're big boys, and can take the
>: abuse.
> no you cant. if you are any indication, (and im not saying (to the
> rest of you) that he is), then youre a pansy, a whiner, a
> surrenderer, a hypocrite, and a wimp.
Shit-ass, listen up.
Would I be here if I was afraid of being called names? Of being made into the
epitome of the idiot, or the monster?
> prove me wrong by something other than 'ya.. well ill beat the shit
> out of you..' and you *may* have a case.
Shit-ass, please show the readers where I wrote such a thing.
You sound like an agent provacateur, you know that shit-ass?
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Subject: Re: Kvestion:
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 25 Aug 94 09:54:01 -0500
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Adrian Cybriwsky responds to me:
> No, because the natural Order deems this wrong. And just what do _you_ mean
>: by "superior genetic qualities?" The ability to play basketball?
> i am quite unaware of this 'natural Order.' i am sure you will
> enlighten me. the only natural order i see is entropy.
It is all around you. The Laws of Life. And entropy in human affairs is
counterbalanced by human Will.
>: Indeed. National Socialism promotes the concept of active eugenics, or the
>: constant improvement of the Aryan Race. It is our desire for each Aryan
>: generation to have a higher average quality than the one before, even if only
>: slightly.
> but why not totally? why not kill all but the best two (me and my gf
> ;)? or.. perhaps.. all but the best few?
This is an absurd argument. The ends -- racial survival -- are not served
by killing any member of our Race.
>: The Chinese are implementing such principles right now, because they know that
>: such programs will benefit the Chinese People, and the North East Asian Race
>: as a whole. They have a huge gene pool, and know, as with any living organism,
>: you have to "prune" the weakest elements so that the strongest can attain
>: greater heights.
> the weakest are pruned by default. this is called "natural selection.'
Under totally natural conditions, yes. But in a higher culture, artificial
selection must occur. It's called eugenics.
>: Skinheads are merely one aspect of the National Socialist Movement. They are
>: the militant arm of our Movement, a sort of proto-defense force, an "SA."
> and yet they may be merely one aspect, but i know of no other major
> ones. please, englighten (i have read the FAQs).
Contact the groups listed in the FAQs. You'll learn fast that the Skinheads
are the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of professionals in the Movement
as well.
>: Regardless of what National Socialists do to "repackage" our philosophy, most
>: Americans are either: 1) conditioned to react violently and irrationally to
>: National Socialism, sort of like a patient with a disease that affects his
>: mind causing him to prevent the doctors from aiding his recovery; 2) fearful
>: of our philosophy, not only because of the bullshit spewed by the Jewsmedia,
>: but also because their comfortable lives might be upset if their "dear, old
>: traditions" of a "conservative, 'Christian,' 'middle-class' lifestyle are
>: questioned; 3) unable to understand it, either because of a lack of cognitive
>: ability and/or a lack of foundational premises to understand the principles of
>: National Socialism (sort of like the "unthinkable ideas" in _1984_).
> nobody's asking for you to LIE. i am quite disgusted by your WEAK
> attitude (you are WEAK) of assuming that things cannot be changed
> active participation.
Your attempted insult carries no weight. Conforming tactics to a dire situ-
ation has nothing to do with "weakness."
> you havfe a political stance, but not the balls
> to pursue it in any way that might make it stronger.. you whine
> 'conspiracy' (not unlike a certain race or two which you, i
> gather, dont particularly care for). .. you are AFRAID to try to
> change the stereotypes held by others with regards to your philosophy.
> you are UNAWARE of the idea that 'conservative, christian' traditions
> are very much adaptable to the ideas you preach... and then, you
> stupid, weak, wormlike, shit, you dare simply say that people
> lack your superior ('cognitive ability.'). let it be known, i
> i have never flamed anybody on my years on the net like this before..
> but then again, i have never met such a pansy talking so tough.
More attempted insults, thrown from a big mouth, or in this case, perhaps I
should say keyboard.
Your opinions on our Movement and our tactics are irrelevant.
>: I for one am not going to lie to anyone to promote our Vision and Way of Life.
>: Dressing National Socialism up in "conservative" facades, as many attempt to
>: do, will NOT disguise our philosophy for one second. And, anyone who is too
>: cowardly to exclaim clearly what they believe and NAME THE ENEMY is not an
>: asset to our Movement anyway.
> nobodys asking you to lie. you 'lie' when you speak of goodness and
> socialism and all your ideals and then project an image of violence
> ('the skinhead look.').. your image weakens your message. get
> legitimate or just admit that skinheadism will always be an excuse
> for stupid people to be violent.
Skinheads are _one_ part of the Movement. Or can't you read?
And the Skinhead liefstyle is not an "image of violence"; it is an image of
reality.
>: "[T]he inner truth and greatness of INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN," to quote
>Martin
>: Heidegger, will eventually surface widely, despite the most intensive hate
>: campaign against it, its leaders, and its followers since the "witch hunts"
>: of the Middle Ages. We need not compromise its sound principles and the
>: Living Truth which it is rooted in because the masses are too befuddled,
>: brainwashed, or yellow to grasp it.
> the quote says nothing. it could be about everything.
Your forgery of my post indicates what a yellow shit-ass you really are. You
are cowardly in not repeating my citation from Heidegger:
"[T]he inner truth and greatness of National Socialism."
The quotation speaks for itself.
>: Every thing that is based on Truth will succeed in time.
> naiive, arent you?
Speak for yourself.
>: Today's National Socialist Movement, keeping with the most basic principles of
>: the philosophy, reaches out to all Aryans -- Skinheads, blue-collar workers,
>: farmers, doctors, EVERYBODY. We're not a Movement of "pretty-faces" in
>: suits, so typical of the lying criminal politicians that are dished out by
>: the Establishment for the People to smile at or cuss.
> whining conspiracy theory bullshit.
Then shit-ass, you love Bill Clinton? You think he's doing a good job? You
approve of the electoral system that offers the voters a "choice" between
Criminal A, Criminal B, or Criminal C? You enjoy the lies of the media?
>: > if not, expect to be treated like sideshows.
>: We'll be treated as clowns, criminals, and whatnot until the Jewsmedia is
>: neutralized, and the American mass-media is once again in AMERICAN hands.
>: We accept the fact that we'll be maligned. We're big boys, and can take the
>: abuse.
> no you cant. if you are any indication, (and im not saying (to the
> rest of you) that he is), then youre a pansy, a whiner, a
> surrenderer, a hypocrite, and a wimp.
Shit-ass, listen up.
Would I be here if I was afraid of being called names? Of being made into the
epitome of the idiot, or the monster?
> prove me wrong by something other than 'ya.. well ill beat the shit
> out of you..' and you *may* have a case.
Shit-ass, please show the readers where I wrote such a thing.
You sound like an agent provacateur, you know that shit-ass?
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: TO ALL REVISIONISTS:
In-Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU's message of 25 Aug 94 08:22:24 -0500
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>How about you providing references for the order Hitler issued to exterminate
>the Jews?
Hitler dicated in his last will and testament:
``Eternal gratitude will be owed to National Socialism because I
exterminated the Jews in Germany and Central Europe''.
this shouldn't be very difficult to look up if you like, he did that
on April 2, 1945.
Besides, given your attitude and your outspoken allegiance to naziism
why in the world do you argue with any of this? I'd think you'd be
proud.
Do you really consider the idea that Hitler et al killed millions of
Jews etc a problem?
I'd think you'd more take the attitude of ``yeah they did it, and they
were justified, and it was a good thing to do!''
Sometimes you confuse me hermann.
>And while we're on this subject, Keren, you will in the future describe me as
>a "National Socialist." That is the correct term, not "Nazi." If you refuse
>to do so, I will have total justification to call you Keren the Kike.
Again, I didn't know people like yourself found the term "Nazi"
objectionable.
Kike, although it certainly has taken on derogatory meaning, derives
from kikulos, a Greek word. What it refers to is circle, specifically
those who sign with a circle. In the old, old days Christians put a
cross next to their name, or if illiterate just signed (typically tax
or census roles) with a cross to indicate they were baptized, their
baptized name. Jews were of course not baptized so the custom was to
sign with the naught, zero, the circle, not baptized (eg, don't look
for me in church records.) Thus, kikulos, those who sign with a
circle.
It's closely related to the game the British call crosses and naughts
or what we in the US call tic-tac-toe. The game originated during the
crusades, the crosses being the Christians and the naughts (circles)
being the Muslims (also not baptized, of course), same basic origin.
>BTW, Keren, are you posting from Israel today?
There he goes again, anything to firm up his credibility...
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Best single proof of WWII
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
>>Again, fair enough. However, your forgery would probably be discovered
>>fairly quickly.
>
>Why? If the media was controlled by me or by forces friendly to me, how would
>this information be disseminated?
(meaning: the jews control the media so his "truth" about
all holocaust documentation being forged can't get out)
Ok, well, um, you and yer ilk got the podium here, where's the proof
that the mounds of holocaust documentation is all forged?
I mean, gosh, when you have the podium all you seem to want to do is
bellyache about the times you didn't but somehow what you claim you've
been suppressed in saying is never said. Just a lot of whining about
jews under your bed and in your closet.
You do realize what a parody of yourself you've become I trust, you've
obviously lost all self-respect (no doubt why this whole national
socialist thing and hitler worship appeals to you, better than to have
to face what you are, a two-bit chump loser.)
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Subject: Re: Kleim denies denial
Message-ID: <1994Aug26.083634.1563@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 08:36:34 -0500
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Ken Mcvay manipulates the facts:
Quoting me:
>>Who's denying historical events? No revisionist ever denies that hundreds of
>>thousands of Jews died during WWII.
> Here are some previous examples from Mr. Kleim - readers may
> judge the correct answer to his question from these responses
> and others, archived here:*
> I deny the existence of a systematic policy of
> extermination against Jews, Gypsies, and other non-Whites
> by the legally-elected government of Adolf Hitler. There
> is no evidence for such a systematic policy, nor for "gas
> chambers."
> The German people inflicted great cruelty upon those who
> tried (and succeeded) in hurting their people and nation,
> but it did not involve genocide.
> The German people used extreme means to defend themselves,
> but it did not climax in genocide, even though genocide was
> the goal of some of their enemies.
> Get it straight. What I wrote meant that the death of
> millions of Jews would be irrelevant to me, because the
> survival of Germany and the rest of the Aryan race took
> precedence to the survival of a group who helped perpetrate
> a new world war.
> Don't accuse me of intentionally misleading anyone -- I
> haven't -- while you slander Germany by claiming that the
> German government murdered six million Jews without valid
> evidence.
I do not in any way deny the accuracy of the quotations McVay posts here.
I do, however, challenge his interpretation of them. Not one of them denies
any historical _events_. I deny the existence of a policy of genocide, and
the alleged methods used to inflict it.
The rejection of the Holocaust Myth is simply not a challenge to happenings
during World War II, but rather a challenge to alleged causes.
>* Kleim's work is archived at oneb.almanac.bc.ca, in the fascism
> archives. Available files include:
>Archive: MINNESOTA (path: fascism/usa/minnesota) -- Files:
> kleim.1093 (1 part, 51164 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from October, 1993 - Holocaust denial,
> neo-Nazi politics, etc.
> kleim.0394 (1 part, 44916 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from March, '94 - Holocaust denial,
> neo-Nazi politics, etc.
> kleim.0494 (1 part, 50491 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from April, '94 - Holocaust denial,
> neo-Nazi politics, etc.
> kleim.0594 (2 parts, 65531, 6621 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from May, '94 - Holocaust denial,
> neo-Nazi politics, etc.
> kleim.0694 (1 part, 34402 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from June, '94 - Holocaust denial,
> neo-Nazi politics, etc.
> kleim.0794 (1 part, 5241 bytes) -- Milton
> Kleim - UseNet posts from July, 1994.
> To obtain any of these files, use the command syntax show below,
> inserting the correct file name in place of
>
> GET FASCISM/USA/MINNESOTA
>
> Send a message containing the above command (or commands - you
> can include several in each message) to server
> @oneb.almanac.bc.ca.
Why, Ken, I didn't know you cared. You must be my biggest fan!
You sure those files contain _everything_ I posted? Got a copy of _The Holo-
caust Myth: A Debilitating Device of the Jews_, and the _NS FAQ_?
And dear readers, don't forget to order the files on Arthur LeBouthillier and
Jason Smith, too.
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
Message-ID: <1994Aug26.085208.1564@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 08:52:08 -0500
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Richard Schultz responds to me:
>>And it is my duty to see that the sacrifices of the millions of Aryans (at
>>least SEVEN million in Ukraine -- deny it if you wish) under Jewish Bolshevism
>>are neither forgotten nor in vain.
>(1) Stalin was not Jewish, and in fact, was an anti-Semite.
If you mean that he was not a follower of the body of thought commonly called
Judaism, then yes, he wasn't a Jew. But as an adherent of Marxism, he was a
Jew.
And, it's well known that the Cheka/NKVD/KGB was riddled with Jews, they being
the main tool in the murder of millions of Aryans in Bolshevik Russia.
>(2) Hitler never considered the Ukrainians "Aryans" (whatever those are). In
>fact, he refused for much of the war to accept the assistance of Ukrainians
>in fighting the Russians. Do you know something that he didn't?
I know something you don't, or don't want to admit.
The reasons for continued occupation of Ukraine are much more complex than you
imply. I recently finished reading _Third Reich and Ukraine_, and while it
is a biased book (as expected), it did contain alot of "undesirable" (for
the Jews) material which only reinforced my position that Hitler did not
intend to deny the Ukrainians independence as soon as it was feasible to grant
it, as he did to the Slavic Nations of Croatia and Slovakia.
>(3) I do not know of anyone who denies that Stalin was responsible for the
>deaths of many millions of Soviet citizens (and not only Ukrainians, although
>the forced famine is probably the most famous example). Can you supply
>examples of any historian who does?
One of my professors here openly denied that seven million Ukrainians died as
a result of genocide during the '20's and '30's (he claimed only a few hundred
thousand did). He holds a doctorate and has written books on Eastern Europe
and non-Western countries. While I don't give a damn about him denying the
murder of SEVEN million people, OUR People, there's no question that anyone
who dared to raise their voice against the Jewish "Holocaust," even in the
slightest, would be shouted down by nearly every one of the befuddled faculty
and most of the students as "anti-Semitic."
>(4) This has been pointed out before on numerous occasions. The Holocaust
>and Stalin's murderousness are *not* mutually exclusive. That is to say, they
>both happened, and one need not deny one in order to accept that the other
>is true. In short, what does your "duty" above have to do with anything even
>remotely relevant to the current discussion?
When the Jewsmedia begins to regularly have television "docudramas" and bull-
shit movies like _Schindler's List_ about the murder of EVERY group that has
suffered genocide, Ukrainians, Cambodians, Armenians, etc., then I'll believe
the Jews are not using _their_ Holocaust as a weapon of extortion.
I will keep harping on the Ukrainian famine as long as Jews continue to harp
about the "gas chambers" and the "ovens." I'm a "grandchild of survivors"
too.
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic] (small addendum)
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 08:57:10 -0500
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Richard Schultz writes:
>Please tell me how "National Socialism" differs from "Naziism". If you
>can show me some reasonable difference between the two (which I find
>hard to believe, since "Nazi" is just another name for the NSDAP), then
>I will stop calling you a Nazi.
I know of only one instance in which "Nazi" was used by a National Socialist
of the NSDAP: Joseph Goebbels' book _Der Nazi-Sozi_. It was never approved
of by Hitler, nor later by Goebbels, to my knowledge. If someone can quote
differently, I'll admit my ignorance of the matter.
It's a matter of preferred terminology. Jews certainly don't like to be
called "kikes," Marxists don't like "Commie." I wish to be called a National
Socialist.
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Subject: Re: Wotan (was re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions)
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 09:05:00 -0500
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Christopher J Hoover writes:
>Well, some time back (about two weeks, I'd guess), I suggested a topic to
>Milton "Hermann" Kleim that he might want to include in his "National
>Socialism FAQ," and asked him what he thoughts its relevance might be to
>the role of National Socialism in contemporary America. That subject is
>an element in American Naziism called "Wotan," which is an alternate
>spelling for the Norse god Odin. Wotan is, for lack of a better term (and
>to borrow nomenclature from the IRA), the "provisional" element of
>American Naziism. I was reminded of Wotan because Milt quoted one David
>Lane in his FAQ, and thought Wotan might be just be one of those things
>about National Socialism that most interested Usenetters might want to
>know about.
Actually, Mr. Hoover, I appreciated your suggestion, and have considered it,
but have taken no action on it yet.
Principles of Wotanism are indeed integral to National Socialism. I am in
contact with a few organizations whose principal purpose is the espousal of
Wotanism. I received a letter yesterday from a Wotanist who was delighted
to read my FAQ, and expressed the opinion that my statements were nearly in
sync with his organization's.
I may add his organization soon to the resource lists. NS Kindred is already
on the list.
>(Oh, and btw, Milt, if you don't want your FAQ to disappear from most
>sites withing 3-4 days, you can fiddle about with the headers to extend
>its expiration at most sites. This is pretty standard practice with FAQs,
>and I'm sure Ken McVay, who has ample experience with posting useful FAQs
>to the Net, can point you in the right direction. I, for one, would like
>to see your National Socialism FAQ become a regular feature on
>alt.revisionism.)
Yeah, I know. But a few days is fine, because the FAQ is under constant
revision.
Thanks for the stuff about Wodensson (David Lane). I haven't seen that
before.
And let all remember that Lane is only one Wotanist; contact NS Kindred for
a similar, but nevertheless different view.
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Subject: Re: TO ALL REVISIONISTS:
Message-ID: <1994Aug26.090934.1568@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 09:09:34 -0500
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Michael P. Stein writes:
>>BTW, Keren, are you posting from Israel today?
> Daniel Keren posts from cs.brown.edu. To the best of my knowledge,
>Brown University is the entity referred to by the brown.edu domain. And
>also to the best of my knowledge, Brown University is in Providence, Rhode
>Island, USA. What makes you think Brown University, or any of its
>computers, are in Israel? Did you read that in a book somewhere as well
>whose name you can't recall? You could call Brown University and ask
>them, I suppose.
And I believe it was you who recently criticized musmint for criticizing
Keren -- because the former's post didn't quickly reach the latter's machine
in Israel!
>>"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
> So does that mean you don't care if there's a future for non-White
>children? I want there to be a future for all children, Jewish, White,
>Black, even Palestinian. Why are White children more deserving of a
>future than others?
We are responsible for our own Kind. The responsibility for other Races are
those Races' responsibility.
The 14 Words imply neither concern nor negation of the survival of other Races.
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Subject: Re: confessions of a revisionsit [sic]
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 09:13:07 -0500
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Christopher J Hoover writes:
> a
>>"We must secure the existence of our People and future for White children."
^
>Ah, David Lane's famous "14 words" again. You left out "a", though. Sig
>heil, baby.
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
Better?
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 12:14:25 -0500
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Danny Keren writes:
>## he threatens people,
># This is an utter lie.
>Is it? Let us look at the following:
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>References: <1993Nov12.135904.1@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
># Eventually, if you're good enough, you can be a politician, or some
># other sort of "official" in the Federal or State government, or
># an "expert" that the media looks to.
># BUT, be aware that if you become another of the criminals who plays
># an active part in my people's destruction, YOU will have to deal
># with the consequences one day.
No threat here. A statement of fact.
>And:
>Message-ID: <1993Nov1.210858.6322@msus1.msus.edu>
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
># Better start taking the threat we pose more seriously. Our
># people DOES outnumber yours. And remember that without our labor and
># money, the Jews are nothing.
And again, where's the threat? Another statement of fact.
>## uses ugly language,
># Like what?
>Like this:
>Message-ID: <1993Dec6.114158.7062@msus1.msus.edu>
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
># Fuck you.
># Are you a National Socialist? If not, get off this group. Dikes aren't
># allowed here.
>And:
>Message-ID: <1993Dec14.132211.7264@msus1.msus.edu>
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
># May an AIDS infected faggot fuck you in the ass real good tonight,
># "wessel."
In typical Keren fashion, he distorts the truth. Both of these excerpts were
posted to alt.skinheads as responses to provocative posts against my comrades
and I.
But I neither deny nor withdraw those statements. They were appropriate for
the situation and the group.
>## tries to dictate the nature of newsgroups he writes to,
># More lies. Keren knows full well that it is impossible for anyone
># to "dictate" the operations of USENET, including the content of
># newsgroups.
>See Kleim's article quoted above:
># Are you a National Socialist? If not, get off this group. Dikes aren't
># allowed here.
Again, the traditional slant. Why don't you post what this responded to,
Keren?
A poster made an arrogant claim that National Socialists were not allowed
on the group; I merely dished it back.
>## Practically all of the "revisionists" are die-hard Nazis and racists.
>## This is obvious to anyone following this newsgroup and "revisionism"
>## in general.
># Prove it. Offer readers documentation.
>I will do so, within a day or two - I need to collect this
>documentation from my files. It'll take time. There's a lot
>of material. it might take till early next week, actually.
Is Keren saying that he has a list of every revisionist in the world, and will
be able to demonstrate that the majority of revisionists are National Social-
ists and racists?
If so, good luck, Danny.
># BTW, Keren, are you posting from Israel today?
>Gee, Kleim says he's got an IQ of 146. He can surely figure out for
>himself where I'm posting from. But, seriously, what's the point?
>What difference does it make where I'm posting from? When Greg
>Raven, a "leading revisionist", was posting here, I asked him a few
>times what his education was and does he have any qualifications or
>reputation as a historian. He refused to answer. Now, I think my
>question was relevant. Kleim's isn't, and I feel no obligation to
>discuss my personal life with despicable Nazis.
Evasion.
I'm well aware your posting server is in Rhode Island.
It is noted by objective followers of this group that a poster recently
said that Keren couldn't respond to musmint's inquiry quickly because
Keren's machine was in Israel.
Do you deny you are in Israel, Danny?
># "We must secure the existence of our People and a future for
># White children."
>And this will be achieved by killing the mentally retarded, as
>Kleim suggests?
It will be achieved by implementing National Socialism.
Article 15417 of alt.revisionism:
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Subject: Re: TO ALL REVISIONISTS:
Message-ID: <1994Aug26.131703.1578@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 26 Aug 94 13:17:02 -0500
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
References: <1994Aug25.082224.1541@msus1.msus.edu>
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Danny Keren writes:
># BTW, Keren, are you posting from Israel today?
>Gee, Kleim says he's got an IQ of 146. He can surely figure out for
>himself where I'm posting from. But, seriously, what's the point?
>What difference does it make where I'm posting from? When Greg
>Raven, a "leading revisionist", was posting here, I asked him a few
>times what his education was and does he have any qualifications or
>reputation as a historian. He refused to answer. Now, I think my
>question was relevant. Kleim's isn't, and I feel no obligation to
>discuss my personal life with despicable Nazis.
Subject: Revisionists are such impatient fellows
Message-ID: <33ene5$des@access3.digex.net>
From: mstein@access3.digex.net (Michael P. Stein)
Date: 24 Aug 1994 01:56:21 -0400
> Musmint seems to expect that in this time,
> a) his post would have made it to Danny's machine in Israel,
Do you deny that Mr. Stein is accurate with this statement, Danny?
If it is not accurate, perhaps Mr. Stein could explain why he made such an
error?
Article 8388 of alt.skinheads:
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Subject: Re: I don't understand racism at all...
Message-ID: <1994Aug22.112351.1437@msus1.msus.edu>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 22 Aug 94 11:23:49 -0500
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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paukstel@ksu.ksu.edu responds to Arthur LeBouthillier:
>>Stop with the pseudo-intellectual humanistic garbage: "interdependent
>>human society." All societies are interdependent within themselves.
>>Besides, I don't want my society to continue to be or to be more
>>"interdependent" with other societies to the degree that it destroys
>>my own. I don't want to belong to some "Global Village/Global Slum
>>World Tribe." I want to belong to and promote the White race.
>I think the point is, you don't have a choice. To truly promote the white
>race to its fullest extent, you would have to avoid or neglect products
>made by members of other races.
On the contrary, we DO have a choice, and that is one part of what our Movement
is about. The fact is that the Aryan Race can produce ANYTHING we need. Near-
ly all of the materiel we need to survive was invented by our kind in the first
place.
>Not only would you be wrong in just boycotting goods made in foriegn coun-
>tries, you couldn't be sure about any product made in the U.S., Europe,
>Canada, etc.
Who said we have to "boycott" anybody? As occurred millenia ago, we can
trade with other peoples _and_ remain an INdependent People. We DO NOT
_need_ other Races, but we're not necessarily going to have to act like they
don't exist.
>These countries have already lots their identity with any one particular race.
Nope. Sorry. These States remain Aryan in character just as they have been
since Aryans created them. Were they to cease being Aryan States (despite
the alien control now over them), they will cease being States altogether.
They will become just a land mass with a population, not a State inhabited by
a People.
>>>> No sense in discriminating against an individual trait or a race trait
>>>> if it is productive to a society as a whole.
>>Right, but it DOES make sense to discriminate against an individual
>>trait or race if they AREN'T productive to the society as a whole
>>(especially if they happen to belong to people who are foreign to that
>>society and its ideals).
>Now show me any race that inherently CAN'T be productive. You can't.
>Individuals of a race may not be productive, but no race as a whole
>is unproductive.
No Race is inherently unproductive. But all Races are productive at differing
levels. The Aryan Race is undeniably _the most_ productive Race in the history
of the World.
Aliens within an Aryan society cannot produce near the Aryan average, are
therefore a drag on that society, and should be coaxed to leave or removed to
another habitat, which is conducive to their abilities and needs. Races of
widely differing ability and needs CANNOT be happy living in the same society.
Multiracial/multicultural States have a nominal cohesion ONLY because the gov-
erning powers use FORCE to maintain that cohesion. Since the Washington Crim-
inals are losing control of this country because of the natural metastability
which ensues from passing the breaking threshhold for enforced/artificial
social stability, this cohesion is abating.
>>The White Race must survive.
>Don't worry, I'm sure it will, though not in the form you want.
The Aryan Race will survive only if it does so in the form we wish to see it
survive. Essentially what you mean is synonymous with the notion that a mouse
"survives" after being eaten by a cat, because it becomes part of the cat.
Aryan survival means that our cultural AND GENETIC heritage remains dinstinct
from other Races and cultures _in perpetuity_.
The Multicultural deathstyle means just that; DEATH for the Aryan Race. We
intend to prevent that by any means necessary.
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
Article 8433 of alt.skinheads:
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Subject: Re: Time for some more simple logic...
Message-ID: <33vc1l$bip@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 30 Aug 1994 13:26:13 GMT
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Michelle Dean writes:
> i'm just going to tell the truth.
One perspective of what "truth" might be.
> Racism is wrong.
Why?
>There isn't any answer to this.
If there's no answer to this, then perhaps there's no validity either.
>And every single racist person in this group shames the rest of his race.
Why? How are YOU benifitting your Race?
"We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
Article 15701 of alt.revisionism:
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Subject: Re: Kleim does it again! What a card!
Message-ID: <3420o9$hku@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 31 Aug 1994 13:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
References: <33b69q$74h@news.xs4all.nl> <1994Aug25.083730.1542@msus1.msus.edu>
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Richard Schultz writes:
>I assume that the book he is talking about is _The Third Reich and Ukraine_
>by Wolodymyr Kosyk (tr. by I. I. Rudnytzky; New York: Peter Lang, 1993).
>If so, then his reading of the book is, well, a little creative.
Yes, that is the book.
1, I never said the book was an authoritative source. It is useful in that it
is friendly to your side, yet contradicts many of the claims made by
earlier "historians" regarding the subject.
2, most of the material I found favorable to my stance was in the appendix,
not the main text, which was essentially cheap commentary.
3, like most works on World War II published by the Establishment, it has
a "proper" slant against the Germans.
>Thus, *Kleim's own source* says the *exact opposite* of what he claims.
It also says exactly what I claimed it did. Depends on whether you read the
book with the author's bias already being "accepted fact" or not. I didn't
pay much attention to his "commentary," which is essentially what most of the
book is.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you over this. The reader may judge
whether the book is of value and presents material which contradicts the
"standard" view of Ukrainian-German relations by READING IT HIM/HERSELF.
Article 8479 of alt.skinheads:
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Subject: Re: Nazism on the 'net
Message-ID: <3421hm$hku@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 31 Aug 1994 13:45:26 GMT
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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LLSHAMROCK writes:
>In article <772215826snz@siacs.demon.co.uk>, maddoc@siacs.demon.co.uk
>("maddoc) writes:
>Yes their is a "Nazi" type section on the Internet, though I can't imagine
>why anyone would want to visit them, I mean really haven't we all heard
>what they have to say (HATE HATE HATE HATE). Save some of your time just
>print out this message paste it to a mirror and read it daily, you've than
>heard all that these fools have to say and fully understand the basis for
>their opinions.
Since "Shamrock" is ignorant of the real nature of National Socialism, perhaps
he/she/it would like to read my National Socialism FAQ?
Article 8480 of alt.skinheads:
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Subject: Re: Ethnicity - best you know for yourself...
Message-ID: <3421k3$hku@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Date: 31 Aug 1994 13:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
References: <2u7dnf$2r3@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,<33vt6p$fd4@search01.news.aol.com>
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LLSHAMROCK writes:
>And an uneducated fool by your admission. Tread lightly for all are
>children of God, black, white, purpule, green, etc.
And which "god" is that may I ask, Shamrock?
Are you speaking of the "god" which made the Jews its "chosen people?"
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