From bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 12:20:00 PDT 1995
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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
Subject: National Alliance Website
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Announcing the National Alliance Website --

http://www.natvan.com

Check it out!
--
                     Bill Clinton makes $200,000 a year.
                         Who says crime doesn't pay?


From bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 17:02:33 PDT 1995
Article: 12132 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
Subject: National Alliance Website
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Announcing the National Alliance Website --

http://www.natvan.com

Check it out!
--
                     Bill Clinton makes $200,000 a year.
                         Who says crime doesn't pay?


From bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 18:03:24 PDT 1995
Article: 11707 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
Subject: National Alliance Website
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Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Announcing the National Alliance Website --

http://www.natvan.com

Check it out!
--
                     Bill Clinton makes $200,000 a year.
                         Who says crime doesn't pay?


From hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Tue Aug 15 22:34:42 PDT 1995
Article: 31411 of alt.revisionism
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From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Aryan Nationalism & University INTERNET access
Date: 16 Aug 1995 01:01:35 GMT
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UNIVERSITIES VEXED BY USE OF THEIR INTERNET CONNECTIONS FOR HATE MAIL

By Serge F. Kovaleski

_Washington Post_, August 4, 1995, p. A4


   During the last four months, a prolific right-wing extremist has sent at
least 825 messages crackling across the Internet on such topics as gunning down
elected officials and toppling a "murdering oppressive" federal government. 
Each missive shows that it was sent from a computer at the University of
Maryland.

   The sender identifies himself in cyberspace as Mike Chapman.  The problem is
that the school has no record of this person.  After launching an investigation
into one of his latest postings, university officials said they believe a
former student created a school computer account for Chapman that gave him
access to the Internet.  They also found that the message originated at the
University of Virginia.

   "It's a security nightmare," said University of Maryland spokesman Gary M.
Stephenson.  "The only connection to the university is that somebody is
exploiting our Internet capabilities from a remote site in violation of our
acceptable use policies."  There is a Mike Chapman enrolled at UVA, but
university executive vice president Leonard W. Sandridge said he is not the
same person who sends right-wing Intenet messages.  "Increasingly we are
seeing occasions where we have to protect access to our computers from persons
not authorized to use them," he said.

   Administrators at dozens of universities and colleges are grappling with
similar predicaments as extreme right-wing organizations and their supporters
take advantage of the Internet's sprawling reach to disseminate and discuss
their views on topics from the federal government to white supremacy.  Univers-
ities have been the backbone of Internet, with most offering their students 
free or inexpensive on-line access in dormitories, libraries and other loca-
tions.  Students who belong to radical groups or share their philosophies are 
using school Internet access to spread their dogma through cyberspace.  In some
cases, they are providing like-minded individuals with access to their school 
computer accounts.  In others, hackers are illegally breaking into college 
computers to get onto the Internet.

   Users say one of the biggest advantages of school Internet accounts is that
they are much less expensive for students to utilize than commercial providers.
By having an educational institution's name listed on the header of an Internet
posting, authors say they can give the appearance that their messages are en-
dorsed by reputable schools -- when in fact they are not -- and that they carry
credibility in mainstream thinking.

   "This is becoming one of the major battlefields in spreading racial intoler-
ance and hate, as well as violence and mayhem," said Rabbi Abraham D. Cooper, 
associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights agency 
based in Los Angeles that tracks hate groups.  "The use of these Internet ac-
counts is cheap or free, instantaneous and it gives that stamp of respectabil-
ity."

   It is also far reaching.  At least 30 million people worldwide are estimated
to have some degree of access to the Internet.

   This use of school accounts has school officials in a quandry.  Historical-
ly, free speech has been among the thorniest issues for college administrators;
ranging from school newspapers to the campus soapbox, students have always
tested the constitutional limits of speech.

   Universities have dealt with problems in the past involving the use of
obscene or sexually explicit language by students on the Internet.  But hate
mail, in particular right-wing propaganda, is emerging as a one of the more
predominate issues for school administrations.

   While some student postings -- such as a missive that came from a militia
sympathizer at the University of South Florida urging readers to blow up
buildings full of government bureaucrats and wealthy people and poison water
supplies -- are clearly inflammatory, constitutional specialists say that such
speech is protected to a large extent so long as it is not directly linked to a
probability of action.

   Mike Godwin, staff counsel for the civil liberties organization Electronic
Frontier Foundation, said that while lots of people are troubled by these
protections, "they have to remember that the First Amendment was created to
protect disturbing, offensive, even frightening speech because no one tries to
ban the other kind."

   Computer specialists said that the Internet's ability to bring ideas from
out of the mainstream to a huge audience is one of the medium's greatest
strengths.

   Universities would surely face daunting constitutional challenges if they
tried to regulate conduct on their Internet accounts -- as a few watchdog
groups have recommended -- like some Canadian schools have recently done.  But
a number of universities here are taking more limited steps.  

   The University of Texas (UT) at Austin is forming a task force to reevaluate 
its policies governing the use of the Internet.  One issue the panel will ex-
plore when it convenes in September is whether to place a disclaimer on stu-
dents' communications stipulating that the messages are not endorsed by the
university.

   "We need to be sure that we have clear enough policies so people know what
they are encountering when they search the World Wide Web," said Patricia C.
Ohlendorf, a counsel to the president and a vice provost at UT in Austin.  "Are
they encountering something put out by the institution or an individual?"  The
panel was prompted in part by complaints the university received about a stu-
dent and self-avowed skinhead who was using his home page -- entitled "Cyber-
hate" -- on the school's Internet line to distribute lists of white nationalist
groups and "White Aryan race" propaganda.  Although he told UT officials he 
would voluntarily remove the postings from the Internet, he has continued, de-
nouncing what he calls the "Zionist conspiracy."

   "It's cheap, for one thing, and it's a good service," the student, Reuben
Logsdon, a senior physics major, said about his UT Internet access in a recent
interview.

   He noted that he has seen Internet communications among right-wing college
students increase dramatically since the deadly 1993 federal siege at the
Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex.  "The Internet is important because it 
is able to bypass the mass media so that our views are not distorted,"
Logsdon said.

   Specialists said that dealing with Internet hate speech first requires some
philosophical examination.  "A private individual running an Internet service
has to decide whether this is a good or bad thing," said Scott Charney, chief
of the Justice Department's computer crime unit.  "Some people say the best way
to deal with hate speech is to have more speech so it can be debated.  And the
other side says you can't talk to these people because they are not open-minded
enough to have a meaningful debate or that they shouldn't be tolerated because
that kind of language spawns actions."

   The hateful use of college Internet accounts has produced unwitting victims. 
In April 1994, someone stole a University of Michigan student's computer
account name and password to gain access to the Internet.  A group purporting
to be the Organization for Execution of Minorities posted a list of vicious
threats against African Americans.

   The messages automatically included the student's electronic mail address. 
The next morning, hundreds of angry messages were flooding into the university. 
"It's a cold, sad, ruthless thing," the student, who requested anonymity, said
in a recent interview.  "But the way the Net responded with outrage and
directness was the best thing."

   A similar incident occurred in October 1994 when someone broke into the
electronic mail account of a Texas A & M professor and fired off racist
messages to about 20,000 computer users in four states.  The messages were
similar to a flier produced by the white supremacist National Alliance.

   The more militant postings appear on such news groups as misc.activism.
militia, which Chapman claims to have founded.  Two days before House Demo-
crats held a special hearing on militias, a chilling invective was posted on 
the news group and bore a University of Maryland address.  "What do you think 
would happen if tomorrow morning 260 million people were to pick up the paper 
or turn on the tube and see the headline story of 'ARMED MILITIA MEMBERS GUN 
DOWN CONGRESSPERSON IN COLD BLOOD?'," Chapman wrote.

   Attempts to reach Chapman, who has also posted messages on subjects includ-
ing marijauna and computers, were unsuccessful.  But a number of students who 
have been posting far right-wing writings said their efforts are educational.

   Ron Copley, a student at Marshall University in Huntington, W.Va., said: "I
am educating people to what I believe, which is that there are inherent differ-
ences between the races and there has been an establishment-ordered genocide 
program against the white race.  There are active measures that have to be 
taken to overcome that."  [see note]

=====

Staff researcher Roland Matifas and staff writer John Schwart contributed to
this report.

=====

NOTE: The last quote is wrongly attributed to Ron Copley.  The statement was 
      made by Milton John Kleim, Jr. 



From hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Tue Aug 15 23:40:17 PDT 1995
Article: 12508 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Aryan Nationalism & University INTERNET access
Date: 16 Aug 1995 01:01:04 GMT
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UNIVERSITIES VEXED BY USE OF THEIR INTERNET CONNECTIONS FOR HATE MAIL

By Serge F. Kovaleski

_Washington Post_, August 4, 1995, p. A4


   During the last four months, a prolific right-wing extremist has sent at
least 825 messages crackling across the Internet on such topics as gunning down
elected officials and toppling a "murdering oppressive" federal government. 
Each missive shows that it was sent from a computer at the University of
Maryland.

   The sender identifies himself in cyberspace as Mike Chapman.  The problem is
that the school has no record of this person.  After launching an investigation
into one of his latest postings, university officials said they believe a
former student created a school computer account for Chapman that gave him
access to the Internet.  They also found that the message originated at the
University of Virginia.

   "It's a security nightmare," said University of Maryland spokesman Gary M.
Stephenson.  "The only connection to the university is that somebody is
exploiting our Internet capabilities from a remote site in violation of our
acceptable use policies."  There is a Mike Chapman enrolled at UVA, but
university executive vice president Leonard W. Sandridge said he is not the
same person who sends right-wing Intenet messages.  "Increasingly we are
seeing occasions where we have to protect access to our computers from persons
not authorized to use them," he said.

   Administrators at dozens of universities and colleges are grappling with
similar predicaments as extreme right-wing organizations and their supporters
take advantage of the Internet's sprawling reach to disseminate and discuss
their views on topics from the federal government to white supremacy.  Univers-
ities have been the backbone of Internet, with most offering their students 
free or inexpensive on-line access in dormitories, libraries and other loca-
tions.  Students who belong to radical groups or share their philosophies are 
using school Internet access to spread their dogma through cyberspace.  In some
cases, they are providing like-minded individuals with access to their school 
computer accounts.  In others, hackers are illegally breaking into college 
computers to get onto the Internet.

   Users say one of the biggest advantages of school Internet accounts is that
they are much less expensive for students to utilize than commercial providers.
By having an educational institution's name listed on the header of an Internet
posting, authors say they can give the appearance that their messages are en-
dorsed by reputable schools -- when in fact they are not -- and that they carry
credibility in mainstream thinking.

   "This is becoming one of the major battlefields in spreading racial intoler-
ance and hate, as well as violence and mayhem," said Rabbi Abraham D. Cooper, 
associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights agency 
based in Los Angeles that tracks hate groups.  "The use of these Internet ac-
counts is cheap or free, instantaneous and it gives that stamp of respectabil-
ity."

   It is also far reaching.  At least 30 million people worldwide are estimated
to have some degree of access to the Internet.

   This use of school accounts has school officials in a quandry.  Historical-
ly, free speech has been among the thorniest issues for college administrators;
ranging from school newspapers to the campus soapbox, students have always
tested the constitutional limits of speech.

   Universities have dealt with problems in the past involving the use of
obscene or sexually explicit language by students on the Internet.  But hate
mail, in particular right-wing propaganda, is emerging as a one of the more
predominate issues for school administrations.

   While some student postings -- such as a missive that came from a militia
sympathizer at the University of South Florida urging readers to blow up
buildings full of government bureaucrats and wealthy people and poison water
supplies -- are clearly inflammatory, constitutional specialists say that such
speech is protected to a large extent so long as it is not directly linked to a
probability of action.

   Mike Godwin, staff counsel for the civil liberties organization Electronic
Frontier Foundation, said that while lots of people are troubled by these
protections, "they have to remember that the First Amendment was created to
protect disturbing, offensive, even frightening speech because no one tries to
ban the other kind."

   Computer specialists said that the Internet's ability to bring ideas from
out of the mainstream to a huge audience is one of the medium's greatest
strengths.

   Universities would surely face daunting constitutional challenges if they
tried to regulate conduct on their Internet accounts -- as a few watchdog
groups have recommended -- like some Canadian schools have recently done.  But
a number of universities here are taking more limited steps.  

   The University of Texas (UT) at Austin is forming a task force to reevaluate 
its policies governing the use of the Internet.  One issue the panel will ex-
plore when it convenes in September is whether to place a disclaimer on stu-
dents' communications stipulating that the messages are not endorsed by the
university.

   "We need to be sure that we have clear enough policies so people know what
they are encountering when they search the World Wide Web," said Patricia C.
Ohlendorf, a counsel to the president and a vice provost at UT in Austin.  "Are
they encountering something put out by the institution or an individual?"  The
panel was prompted in part by complaints the university received about a stu-
dent and self-avowed skinhead who was using his home page -- entitled "Cyber-
hate" -- on the school's Internet line to distribute lists of white nationalist
groups and "White Aryan race" propaganda.  Although he told UT officials he 
would voluntarily remove the postings from the Internet, he has continued, de-
nouncing what he calls the "Zionist conspiracy."

   "It's cheap, for one thing, and it's a good service," the student, Reuben
Logsdon, a senior physics major, said about his UT Internet access in a recent
interview.

   He noted that he has seen Internet communications among right-wing college
students increase dramatically since the deadly 1993 federal siege at the
Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex.  "The Internet is important because it 
is able to bypass the mass media so that our views are not distorted,"
Logsdon said.

   Specialists said that dealing with Internet hate speech first requires some
philosophical examination.  "A private individual running an Internet service
has to decide whether this is a good or bad thing," said Scott Charney, chief
of the Justice Department's computer crime unit.  "Some people say the best way
to deal with hate speech is to have more speech so it can be debated.  And the
other side says you can't talk to these people because they are not open-minded
enough to have a meaningful debate or that they shouldn't be tolerated because
that kind of language spawns actions."

   The hateful use of college Internet accounts has produced unwitting victims. 
In April 1994, someone stole a University of Michigan student's computer
account name and password to gain access to the Internet.  A group purporting
to be the Organization for Execution of Minorities posted a list of vicious
threats against African Americans.

   The messages automatically included the student's electronic mail address. 
The next morning, hundreds of angry messages were flooding into the university. 
"It's a cold, sad, ruthless thing," the student, who requested anonymity, said
in a recent interview.  "But the way the Net responded with outrage and
directness was the best thing."

   A similar incident occurred in October 1994 when someone broke into the
electronic mail account of a Texas A & M professor and fired off racist
messages to about 20,000 computer users in four states.  The messages were
similar to a flier produced by the white supremacist National Alliance.

   The more militant postings appear on such news groups as misc.activism.
militia, which Chapman claims to have founded.  Two days before House Demo-
crats held a special hearing on militias, a chilling invective was posted on 
the news group and bore a University of Maryland address.  "What do you think 
would happen if tomorrow morning 260 million people were to pick up the paper 
or turn on the tube and see the headline story of 'ARMED MILITIA MEMBERS GUN 
DOWN CONGRESSPERSON IN COLD BLOOD?'," Chapman wrote.

   Attempts to reach Chapman, who has also posted messages on subjects includ-
ing marijauna and computers, were unsuccessful.  But a number of students who 
have been posting far right-wing writings said their efforts are educational.

   Ron Copley, a student at Marshall University in Huntington, W.Va., said: "I
am educating people to what I believe, which is that there are inherent differ-
ences between the races and there has been an establishment-ordered genocide 
program against the white race.  There are active measures that have to be 
taken to overcome that."  [see note]

=====

Staff researcher Roland Matifas and staff writer John Schwart contributed to
this report.

=====

NOTE: The last quote is wrongly attributed to Ron Copley.  The statement was 
      made by Milton John Kleim, Jr. 



From hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Thu Aug 17 10:04:21 PDT 1995
Article: 31658 of alt.revisionism
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From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Response to John Morris' libel
Date: 16 Aug 1995 17:16:03 GMT
Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN
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In response to a libelous post by John Morris, I am making the following 
statement:

1) I do not speak for the National Alliance in any official capacity.  I am not
   now, nor ever have been, a sanctioned spokesman for the Alliance; neither 
   have I ever purported to be a sanctioned spokesman.

2) My adherence to National Socialist beliefs predates my Alliance membership
   by over two years.  The _National Socialism Primer_ was written June-August
   1994, several months before I joined the Alliance.

3) I do not and will not advocate, nor ever have advocated, illegal acts or 
   activities of any kind.  My commentary about criminal investigations and 
   tribunals to punish genocide and crimes against the Aryan Race referred to
   institutions and statutes to be created through lawful means by a National
   Socialist popular government.

4) It is necessary to make clear that the comments made by Mr. Morris about
   myself and the National Alliance are libelous, and may subject him to 
   appropriate penalties.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.



From hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Fri Aug 18 14:46:42 PDT 1995
Article: 12631 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Response to John Morris' libel
Date: 16 Aug 1995 17:16:36 GMT
Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN
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NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu

In response to a libelous post by John Morris, I am making the following 
statement:

1) I do not speak for the National Alliance in any official capacity.  I am not
   now, nor ever have been, a sanctioned spokesman for the Alliance; neither 
   have I ever purported to be a sanctioned spokesman.

2) My adherence to National Socialist beliefs predates my Alliance membership
   by over two years.  The _National Socialism Primer_ was written June-August
   1994, several months before I joined the Alliance.

3) I do not and will not advocate, nor ever have advocated, illegal acts or 
   activities of any kind.  My commentary about criminal investigations and 
   tribunals to punish genocide and crimes against the Aryan Race referred to
   institutions and statutes to be created through lawful means by a National
   Socialist popular government.

4) It is necessary to make clear that the comments made by Mr. Morris about
   myself and the National Alliance are libelous, and may subject him to 
   appropriate penalties.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.



From hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Sat Aug 19 01:57:26 PDT 1995
Article: 25762 of alt.skinheads
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From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Response to John Morris' libel
Date: 16 Aug 1995 17:17:24 GMT
Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN
Lines: 24
Message-ID: <40t974$1bi@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
Reply-To: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu

In response to a libelous post by John Morris, I am making the following 
statement:

1) I do not speak for the National Alliance in any official capacity.  I am not
   now, nor ever have been, a sanctioned spokesman for the Alliance; neither 
   have I ever purported to be a sanctioned spokesman.

2) My adherence to National Socialist beliefs predates my Alliance membership
   by over two years.  The _National Socialism Primer_ was written June-August
   1994, several months before I joined the Alliance.

3) I do not and will not advocate, nor ever have advocated, illegal acts or 
   activities of any kind.  My commentary about criminal investigations and 
   tribunals to punish genocide and crimes against the Aryan Race referred to
   institutions and statutes to be created through lawful means by a National
   Socialist popular government.

4) It is necessary to make clear that the comments made by Mr. Morris about
   myself and the National Alliance are libelous, and may subject him to 
   appropriate penalties.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.

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