From bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 09:24:33 PDT 1996
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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
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The Call for Votes period for the proposed newsgroup rec.music.
white-power has been closed for almost six weeks now. 

WHERE are the results?  WHY have they not been posted?  Perhaps more
importantly, why did Mr. Handler, the UVV votetaker for the proposal, send
me the message below on April 16th, informing me that the vote tabulation
was nearly complete?  WHY were inquiries from Mr. James Romenesko of the
_St. Paul Pioneer Press_ to Mr.  Lawrence, Mr. Handler, and other UVV
associates not returned? 

WHAT is going on?  Why no public explanation from Mr. Handler, or from 
Mr. Lawrence, if _he_ is withholding the results, as to purpose for the 
excessive delay?

Mr. Handler and Mr. Lawrence: 

PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DELAY.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power

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I'm about an hour away from finalizing the result and mailing it off
to David Lawrence. It should be posted tonight or tomorrow.

I apologize for the delay in collating the results and thank you for
your patience.

--
Michael Handler                  Email: support@netaxs.com
Net Access System Administration                           Voice: 215-576-8669



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The Call for Votes period for the proposed newsgroup rec.music.
white-power has been closed for almost six weeks now. 

WHERE are the results?  WHY have they not been posted?  Perhaps more
importantly, why did Mr. Handler, the UVV votetaker for the proposal, send
me the message below on April 16th, informing me that the vote tabulation
was nearly complete?  WHY were inquiries from Mr. James Romenesko of the
_St. Paul Pioneer Press_ to Mr.  Lawrence, Mr. Handler, and other UVV
associates not returned? 

WHAT is going on?  Why no public explanation from Mr. Handler, or from 
Mr. Lawrence, if _he_ is withholding the results, as to purpose for the 
excessive delay?

Mr. Handler and Mr. Lawrence: 

PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DELAY.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power

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I'm about an hour away from finalizing the result and mailing it off
to David Lawrence. It should be posted tonight or tomorrow.

I apologize for the delay in collating the results and thank you for
your patience.

--
Michael Handler                  Email: support@netaxs.com
Net Access System Administration                           Voice: 215-576-8669



From bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 03:00:35 PDT 1996
Article: 34174 of alt.revisionism
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Andrew Mathis replies to me:

>>>>> As long as it doesn't advocate the violent overthrow of the gov't.
>>>>> Turner Diaries clealry does.

>>>>OK, Mathis.  Tell us how and where a novel "advocates the violent
>>>>overthrow of the government."  Quote from _the Turner Diaries_ exactly
>>>>which passages allegedly do this.

>>> Well, gee, I can't quote chapter and verse, since I don't feel like
>>> giving mass-murderer and seditionist Pierce any of my hard-earned
>>> paydirt to get a copy, but I've seen the book before--read passages.
>>> When the mass market copy comes out, I'll buy one, read it, and then
>>> burn it.

>>THAT is exactly what I thought, Mathis.  You have NOT read it, and don't
>>know what you're talking about.

> Not the whole thing, no; but I know exactly what I'm talking about.

No you don't.

>>Like most of your "anti-racist" brethren, you're full of shit.  You just
>>parrot what the Jewsmedia and your self-serving idols like Morris Sleaze
>>tell you to say.
 
> Um, yeah.

You admit you're full of shit?

My, how candid!

>>You don't have to buy the book to read it.  But then, most people are too
>>ignorant to know about interlibrary loans.
 
> I actually tried to get the book at the New York Public Library two
> years ago.  It was missing.  It was also the only library in America
> that had a copy besides the Library of Congress.

Bullshit.  I obtained my first copy from San Jose Public Library.  Have
the librarian check OCLC to find you one in Jew York State.  One of the
SUNYs should have a copy, and in all likelihood will lend it to your local
library. 

>>> Well, as far as I can remember, Earl Turner, our humble protagonist,
>>> joins a group called, strangely enough, "The Order."  This group
>>> commits a series of murders aimed at overthrowing what they term
>>> "ZOG," this standing, of course, for Zionist Occupation Government.
>>> And the end of the novel (and it's a happy ending for ol' author Andy
>>> MacDonald a.k.a. William Pierce, as well as for Mr. Turner), the new
>>> gov't, having bombed congress, assasssinated the president, and
>>> reduced the population of the USA by about 80% starts lobbing nuclear
>>> missiles at Israel.
 
>>> Is that about right?
 
>>Since you've never read it, how do you know if this is right or wrong?
 
>>Read the book, and then we'll discuss it.
 
> Your dodging, Mortie.

Who?  Who's Mortie?

What are you snorting again?

Anyways, "the Order" does not kill the President, does not "bomb
Congress," and does not "reduce the population by 80%." As for launching a
nuclear attack at Israel, well, after what the Jews have been doing in
Lebanon, that might not be a bad idea right now. 

>>> If I'm wrong, please, by all means correct me.  And while you're at
>>> it, send me half the plane fare for Minneapolis so I can come there
>>> and beat the hell out of you.
 
>>I'll be happy to send you the WHOLE fare for a ONE-WAY ticket to Israel.
 
> Cool....I was planning on going next year....a one way ticket back
> would still be cheaper than round-trip.  I think I'll save this
> message.

I didn't specify when I'll deliver on the offer, and I also did not
specify WHICH form of transportation I will pay for.

>>> Or wait until fall, when I may be going there for high holidays.  What
>>> better mitzvah than to beat the stuffing out of Mortie Kleim!!!
 
>>Oh!!!!  I'm SCARED!!!!
 
> Of course, I wouldn't throw the first punch; that'd be assault.  Maybe
> I'll just taunt you until you freak out.  Always happens with you
> types.

You don't know me very well.  I never strike first.  But when I do strike,
I strike decisively.  :-)

>>> P.S. How's your Dad lately?
 
>>Just fine.  But the more important question is: have you figured out which
>>dude is YOUR dad, yet?
 
> I've always known who my dad is.  

How did you pick out the real father from all the various possibilities?

> Something tells me that you haven't seen your father in a
> looooooooooooong time.

More hallucinations.  Did a Golda Meir tell you that?  You really should
seek substance abuse counseling. 

As for my dad, I haven't seen him since Thanksgiving 1995.  But that might
change in the next few weeks.  I enjoy regular conversations with him; I
even planned to make a business trip for him this coming weekend when I
last spoke with him. 



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Rich Graves replies to me:

>>I'll be happy to send you the WHOLE fare for a ONE-WAY ticket to Israel.
 
> I'll gladly accept that. You have my address. Small, unmarked bills
> please, like the ones Bobby preferred.

The offer was directed to Mathis only, I didn't say WHEN I would deliver
on the offer, and I didn't specify the means of transportation.  ;-)



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Andrew Mathis "replies" to me:

>>>>But thank God, you can still publish a book in this country and claim it, can 
>>>>you?

>>> As long as it doesn't advocate the violent overthrow of the gov't.
>>> Turner Diaries clealry does.

>>OK, Mathis.  Tell us how and where a novel "advocates the violent
>>overthrow of the government."  Quote from _the Turner Diaries_ exactly
>>which passages allegedly do this.

> Well, gee, I can't quote chapter and verse, since I don't feel like
> giving mass-murderer and seditionist Pierce any of my hard-earned
> paydirt to get a copy, but I've seen the book before--read passages.
> When the mass market copy comes out, I'll buy one, read it, and then
> burn it.

THAT is exactly what I thought, Mathis.  You have NOT read it, and don't
know what you're talking about.

Like most of your "anti-racist" brethren, you're full of shit.  You just
parrot what the Jewsmedia and your self-serving idols like Morris Sleaze
tell you to say.

You don't have to buy the book to read it.  But then, most people are too
ignorant to know about interlibrary loans.

> Well, as far as I can remember, Earl Turner, our humble protagonist,
> joins a group called, strangely enough, "The Order."  This group
> commits a series of murders aimed at overthrowing what they term
> "ZOG," this standing, of course, for Zionist Occupation Government.
> And the end of the novel (and it's a happy ending for ol' author Andy
> MacDonald a.k.a. William Pierce, as well as for Mr. Turner), the new
> gov't, having bombed congress, assasssinated the president, and
> reduced the population of the USA by about 80% starts lobbing nuclear
> missiles at Israel.
 
> Is that about right?

Since you've never read it, how do you know if this is right or wrong?

Read the book, and then we'll discuss it.

> If I'm wrong, please, by all means correct me.  And while you're at
> it, send me half the plane fare for Minneapolis so I can come there
> and beat the hell out of you.

I'll be happy to send you the WHOLE fare for a ONE-WAY ticket to Israel.

> Or wait until fall, when I may be going there for high holidays.  What
> better mitzvah than to beat the stuffing out of Mortie Kleim!!!

Oh!!!!  I'm SCARED!!!!

> P.S. How's your Dad lately?

Just fine.  But the more important question is: have you figured out which
dude is YOUR dad, yet?



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The Call for Votes period for the proposed newsgroup rec.music.
white-power has been closed for almost six weeks now. 

WHERE are the results?  WHY have they not been posted?  Perhaps more
importantly, why did Mr. Handler, the UVV votetaker for the proposal, send
me the message below on April 16th, informing me that the vote tabulation
was nearly complete?  WHY were inquiries from Mr. James Romenesko of the
_St. Paul Pioneer Press_ to Mr.  Lawrence, Mr. Handler, and other UVV
associates not returned? 

WHAT is going on?  Why no public explanation from Mr. Handler, or from 
Mr. Lawrence, if _he_ is withholding the results, as to purpose for the 
excessive delay?

Mr. Handler and Mr. Lawrence: 

PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DELAY.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power

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I'm about an hour away from finalizing the result and mailing it off
to David Lawrence. It should be posted tonight or tomorrow.

I apologize for the delay in collating the results and thank you for
your patience.

--
Michael Handler                  Email: support@netaxs.com
Net Access System Administration                           Voice: 215-576-8669



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Russ Allbery replies to Jeremy Posner:

>> Assuming that a figure given in another post in this thread is accurate,
>> this vote had about 10 times the normal voter turnout for a Usenet
>> vote. Most results get posted within a day or two.

> Try over 100 times the normal turnout.  Modifying the remaining numbers
> accordingly....

Do you have proof that it was 100 times normal turnout?  Or is this just a
good estimate? 

>> Let's say that because there was ten times the normal number of voters
>> it would take ten times as long. Even if it were normally 3 days, that
>> would give a month, which passed 2 weeks ago.
 
> ...we get a delay of 300 days, or about 10 months.  I think Michael's
> doing rather well.  :)

Well, the fact of the matter is, as Mr. Handler's e-mail indicated to me,
he said he was almost finished over a week ago, and said he'd send the
results to Mr. Lawrence.  The possibilties are these: Mr. Lawrence is
withholding the results for some unknown reason; or, Mr. Handler was not
indeed finished with the tabulation.  In either case, there is no reason
we should not have a public explanation of the excessive delay. 

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power



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Ken McVay OBC [sic] replies to Sylvie Charbonnneau: 

>>How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
>>they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?

> Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
> gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
> trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
> PrisonGrams!

Mighty arrogant of you to speak for "Canadians," considering you're really
a Yankee like me.  Or did Jean Cretin's regime authorize you to speak for
the Canadian People?

When more Canadians find out just who you are and what you're up to, I
don't doubt alot of good Canadians will want to boot you out of Canada,
but hey, we don't want you down here, either.  Anyone who believes someone
should go to prison for believing in an alternate view of history doesn't
really fit in America; Israel would be a more appropriate domain.

>>How has Ernst or David Irving ever done anything to "live" their
>>"fantasies"?  Irving cannot visit this country because of his views, even
>>though he hasn't committed any crime.
 
> David Irving is a liar.

Citations?  Evidence?  Where?

> Let's review: David Irving is a liar.
> and...
> David Irving lies under _oath_.

When?  Regarding what?

> David Irving is, therefore, a proven, unmittigated, repeat
> offender. He has lied before British judges while under oath.
> He has lied to Canadian Immigration officials, under oath,
> and these lies have been recognized by Australian courts,
> which rejected Irving's contentions primarily because, (are we
> ready, Ms. Charbonneau?) HE IS A LIAR. 

Lied about what?  YOUR view of the so-called "Holocaust"?  And why am I
not surprised you cite your own hate site in a pathetic attempt to support
your dishonest contentions?

BTW, who funds Nizkor, Mcvay?  How do you afford all that "noble" work?

You don't have anthing to HIDE, do you?

-- Milton Kleim OAE


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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
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Original Publication: 1996/04/24
Last Modification: 1996/05/04

To Ken Mcvay:

You have been asked before to answer the questions which follow, in order 
to enlighten Netters to the real purposes of your work.  To this date, 
you have refused to respond, other than to offer diversionary and 
obfuscatory rhetoric.

This is our second request to you, asking that you respond to these 
questions.  Your previous response failed to properly address them; one 
can only hope that your next attempt will include some substantive and 
honest statements - something you appear reluctant to provide.

What are you trying to hide?


#1. Who funds all of your operations?  We're sure that you don't shell out 
    all the money yourself for your "research."

#2. Is this funding taxable, or are you claiming to be a not-for-profit
    charity? 

#3. If you are funded by an outside source, will you be willing to release
    your tax information to any interested person so that they may find out
    what the money was spent on? 

#4. Aside from the persons/organizations who fund you, do you also receive
    contributions from other people?  If so, in what way are you held
    accountable for the way in which contributions are spent? 

#5. What organizations do you specifically work for?



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In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island...

Ken Mcvay:  "Damn that Kleim!  He's making me look like an asshole.  What 
            are you guys gonna do?"

Rabbi Steinbaum:  "Oy vey, Mcvay!  Vot are YOU goink to do?  Vot do you think
                  vee are payink you for?  Do you vont to go back to selling
                  schokolat bars at zee gas station?"

Abe Cohn:  "Damned be Jesus!!  You hired a _gas station attendant_?  This is
           a waste of time.  I'm going back to New Yuk!"

Ken Mcvay:  "I'm sorry, I'm sorry.  I just need more time."

Rabbi Steinbaum:  "Time!  Time!  I lost over one hundert family in zee 
                  showers of Dachau!  You vont 'time'.  Vee have no 'time'."

David Weiss:  "What can we expect from a goyish putz?"



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Original Publication: 1996/04/24
Last Modification: 1996/05/04

To Ken Mcvay:

You have been asked before to answer the questions which follow, in order 
to enlighten Netters to the real purposes of your work.  To this date, 
you have refused to respond, other than to offer diversionary and 
obfuscatory rhetoric.

This is our second request to you, asking that you respond to these 
questions.  Your previous response failed to properly address them; one 
can only hope that your next attempt will include some substantive and 
honest statements - something you appear reluctant to provide.

What are you trying to hide?


#1. Who funds all of your operations?  We're sure that you don't shell out 
    all the money yourself for your "research."

#2. Is this funding taxable, or are you claiming to be a not-for-profit
    charity? 

#3. If you are funded by an outside source, will you be willing to release
    your tax information to any interested person so that they may find out
    what the money was spent on? 

#4. Aside from the persons/organizations who fund you, do you also receive
    contributions from other people?  If so, in what way are you held
    accountable for the way in which contributions are spent? 

#5. What organizations do you specifically work for?



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In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island...

Ken Mcvay:  "Damn that Kleim!  He's making me look like an asshole.  What 
            are you guys gonna do?"

Rabbi Steinbaum:  "Oy vey, Mcvay!  Vot are YOU goink to do?  Vot do you think
                  vee are payink you for?  Do you vont to go back to selling
                  schokolat bars at zee gas station?"

Abe Cohn:  "Damned be Jesus!!  You hired a _gas station attendant_?  This is
           a waste of time.  I'm going back to New Yuk!"

Ken Mcvay:  "I'm sorry, I'm sorry.  I just need more time."

Rabbi Steinbaum:  "Time!  Time!  I lost over one hundert family in zee 
                  showers of Dachau!  You vont 'time'.  Vee have no 'time'."

David Weiss:  "What can we expect from a goyish putz?"



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Subject: Re: WHERE are the results?  Almost six weeks since the CFV closed
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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:

> If Milton had proposed talk.politics.natl-socialism, the proposal would
> have passed easily. He could still have talk.politics.natl-socialism now,
> if he wanted open debate.

You're the one who proposed this group, and I said I supported it.  Why
have you not continued with the proposal?



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"Modemac" spews:

> Sounds like this thing is taking on a life of its own and becoming an
> Urban Legend in itself.  What's sad about this particular text virus is
> that it doesn't give the REAL reasons why voting against
> rec.music.white-power was necessary: the failure of the proponents to show
> that any "need" for this group existed, the poorly-chosen name, and the
> inability to show how the group would not become yet another repository
> for the Eternal Floating Flame War over racism. 

Yes, the the falsehoods and distortions never stop.  And I'm not referring
specifically to the pervasive propaganda piece, but to your statements,
"Modemac."

There could be three thousand posts a day about White nationalist music,
and the interracist/"anti-racist" fanatics would STILL have launched the
most intense propaganda campaign in the history of USENET.

I could have proposed a name of "rec.music.hate.white," and the interracist/
"anti-racist" fanatics would STILL have launched the most intense
propaganda campaign in the history of USENET.

As for the actual topics for discussion to occur on the group, the unpre-
cedented propaganda campaign against us -- against freedom of expression
-- indicates that interracist/"anti-racist" fanatics would have paid no
heed to the charter of group, as they have paid no heed to the tenets of
the newsgroup creation process. 

> I voted against the proposal, and I am not ashamed to say so.

And your real reasons for opposing the group are as "noble" as the reasons
for the "racist newsgroup proposal alert" piece still circulating six
weeks after the vote.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power



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Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) writes:

> Gee Milt. That oughtta tell you how well loved you and your cadre are in the
> world. 

You know something, Mr. Radcliffe, I don't give a shit what you or anyone
else thinks of me, my beliefs, my friends, or our Cause.  You don't have
to like us.  You don't have to agree with us.  But we'll be damned if we
just surrender to "popular opinion" and refrain from "offending" some
intolerant bigot in the opposing camp.  And you can rest assured we'll
continue to remind you that we will not be silenced, either by a NO vote
or any other methods. 

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
   Proponent, rec.music.white-power



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Ken McVay OBC [sic] writes:

> Ms. Charbonneau thus attempts to deflect the discussion to
> avoid a concession: That Canada's Parliament does indeed
> possess both the power and authority to impose regulation upon
> the Internet, wether we like it, or want it, or not.

The Canadian Parliament has the POWER, yes, to enforce their Will of
censorship on the Internet within Canada, because they have the RCMP and
the Military to FORCE themselves on the Canadian People.

However, they do not have the AUTHORITY to infringe upon the inalienable
rights of freedom of conscience, speech, or now, use of the Internet for
global communications.  The American First Amendment was not something the
Founders just invented; it was a recognition of a universal right that
cannot be "legislated" away.  The Charter of Rights & Freedoms also
acknowledges this right, in fact more definitively, and while the Ottawa
Criminals can withdraw the pronouncement of the Charter, it will change
nothing.  Freedom of speech in Canada is morally correct regardless of
what Ottawa says to the contrary.

In the power of States to "regulate" (i.e. censor) the Internet is the
illustration of the real nature of all existing governments today: self-
serving bodies which perpetuate their own existence at the expense of the
liberties and (intellectual) security of the People. 

The Internet community must be prepared to subvert and circumvent by any
and all means an attempt by a State to control the Internet for its own
purposes.  On the Internet is the last and decisive battle for freedom of
conscience, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression, and freedom to be
ourselves.  If we lose here, we lose everywhere.



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From: bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
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Subject: Re: Milton Kleim has no understanding of biology
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Andrew Parton replies to me:

>>Is not the biological basis for reproduction to reproduce ONESELF ?
 
> Well actually Milton no. The whole point of sexual reproduction is that
> the offspring contains genetic material from BOTH parents and thus is not
> merely a copy of one of them. It is essential from an evolutionary point of 
> view to introduce diversity into the gene pool. It allows the adaptability and
> flexibility so essential for mankinds success. Biological problems from 
> reproduction are evident in societies where people do try to reproduce 
> themselves and have partners who are too closely genetically to themselves.
> Sadly for your rather silly and naive arguement Milton nature wants diversity
> and so having a partner from a very different background makes sense.

Were your assertions true, then there would be ONE species of life on
Earth. From endogamic breeding due to geographic and instinctual factors
comes the very diversity "liberals" claim to embrace.  The fact we have
lions AND tigers, that we have Aryans AND Negroids, indicates that
Nature's way is contrary to the way you advocate.  Over eons these
lifeforms have evolved into their characteristic identity, and the fact of
their existence indicates the interracist "ideal" is NOT the norm, is not
Natural. 

Contrary to your assertion that exogamic breeding is necessary for
"progress," cross-mating between different types of humans has invariably
resulted in the collapse of the society which encouraged it.




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Subject: Re: Milton Kleim has no understanding of biology
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william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) writes:

> : ONE racial group created the western civilization, the 
> : white race of course.

> There is, of course, no "one racial group" called "the white race."   
> Western civilization, as it developed around the fertile crescent
> and spread across the Mediterranean, was an extremly prolific blend
> of the culture, ideas and people of many different ethnic groups--
> some of which are not considered "white" by the White Power Rangers.

True, the peoples of the Mediterranean in the era of the creation of
civilization were not of one race.  HOWEVER, the founders of Western
Civilization, the Sumerians, the early Egyptians, and so on, were closely
related races of the WHITE variety.  At one time, the Aryan Race was not
the only White Race in existence. 

Personally, I consider the remnants of the Mediterranean Race to be part
of the Aryan Race now.



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Danny (dmittleman@cmi.arizona.edu) writes:

>     the other WHITE races have already died out?  And you cite this as
>     evidence of superiority?

Who said anything about superiority?  Whites are most capable of creating
and sustaining higher culture, but no one, including me, alleges we are
not vulnerable to destruction by racial bastardization.



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Danny (dmittleman@cmi.arizona.edu) writes:

>>Personally, I consider the remnants of the Mediterranean Race to be part
>>of the Aryan Race now.

>     And which Mediterraneans were these, Milt?  Those dark Greeks?  Those
>     dark Egyptians?  Those dark Italians?  Heavens, not those dark Khazars?

The unmixed Mediterraneans one finds in isolated pockets all over the Med,
the Balkans, and in the Canary Islands.  Mediterraneans differ from Aryans
only in physical dimensions and _slightly_ darker average pigmentation.  



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A decorated Admiral shoots himself because the validity of two of his many
awards is questioned?  Shoots himself in the CHEST?

Can anyone say Vince Foster?


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Joseph Bowen replies to me:

>> A decorated Admiral shoots himself because the validity of two of his many
>> awards is questioned?  Shoots himself in the CHEST?

>> Can anyone say Vince Foster?

> I nominate this one for the right-wing twit award.  Don't you realize a 
> person died here?

As have several dozen other people associated with Clinton in mysterious
circumstances.  The issue is not the sad loss of a distinguished military
man, but why and how he died. 



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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:

> The recent 60 Minutes interview with Dr. William Pierce, in which Mike
> Wallace was obviously uninformed about the person with whom he was
> speaking, has reestablished the need, as far as I am concerned, for a
> public forum dedicated to the discussion of national socialist
> movements. With Milton Kleim's permission, I will list him as an
> official co-proponent on the third RFD, for which I believe we just
> barely have time.

Permission granted.



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