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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:07:20 GMT
>From: (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim, Self-Admitted Liar

In article , (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:

> In article , bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Milton Kleim) wrote:
> > To be a "self-admitted" liar is to proclaim that one deliberately tells 
> > falsehoods.
> You have done so, Kleim. Shall I post the evidence here?

Kleim has given permission for me to post a previous email he sent me,
though of course not without heaving an unimaginative and inaccurate
epithet my way:

> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:08:08 -0600 (CST)
> To:
> Message-Id: <950201220808.4fe25@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Milton Kleim, Self-Admitted Liar
> >> To be a "self-admitted" liar is to proclaim that one deliberately tells 
> >> falsehoods.
> >You have done so, Kleim. Shall I post the evidence here?
> Certainly, Jew-boy.
> The authenticity of all posted e-mail will be denied.  E-mail is easily
> forged.
> -- Milton

So, here is the email in question. Judge for yourself whether Kleim is
indeed the author, and whether or not he is, in fact, a self-admitted

> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:35:54 -0600 (CST)
> To:
> Message-Id: <950108133554.751bb@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU>
> Subject: Re: The Refuge of a Coward: call your opponent one first
> >But you have not withdrawn the claim. That would actually require some
> >courage, and it is your lack of that quality that is under discussion.
> I will never withdraw the claim that I saw what I saw, because I did see it.
> I have admitted I can not provide the citation to the work in which I saw it.
> That is all I can and will admit.
> >That's simply a less childish way of saying that you want the last word at
> >all costs. 
> Isn't that just terrible?  :-)
> It's the shits when the opponent starts using your own tactics, isn't it?
> >> If you post this message, I will deny I wrote it.
> >Confirming my suspicion that you consider lying an acceptable way of
> >achieving your ends. You've learned the Nazi lessons well, haven't you?
> The ends justify the means.  Don't speak of honesty until you admit THAT
> universal truth.  Of course I am always prepared to do and say anything which
> contributes to the security of my People.  I learned that from the Jewish
> Bible.
> Don't misconstrue the above statement as meaning I "know" the Holocaust
> happened.  I don't believe for a second it did.  I have not lied about my
> beliefs, my research, or anything else of importance.  But I _will_ use
> harmless
> deception (an acceptable tactic sanctioned by every sane political thinker 
> since Plato) if it is to tactical advantage.
> >You missed one: not having the guts to either back up your statements or
> >admit error.
> Do you just have shit for brains, or are you lying?
> You know damn well I have admitted many errors on AR.
> >> Have the honor to admit the truth.
> >Certainly.
> >It is true that you are a coward.

Posted and emailed.


Jeffrey G. Brown                         
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

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