Milton Kleim even takes some heat from his fellow racists and
antisemites for what they seem to think is hypocritical waffling.
Here is part of a thread on the racist Stormfront mailing list.



Subject:     Re: Racial Purity continued 1
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From: Alexander james Curtis 
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 19:24:54 PST
Subject: Re: Racial Purity continued 1
 
> 
> From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:45:52 -0500
> Subject: Racial Purity continued 1
>  
 
Milty, you cannot choose to answer only my questions that you don't have
difficulty with.  You hoped no one would notice how you butchered my post.
You have yet to define what you believe the racial make-up of a person must be
to be permitted to live in the Aryan Nation.  Remember you originally said
they can have a mud ancestor six-generations back.  Then there was that
awkward moment when you admitted you were wrong.
 
Now please answer the question forthrightly (If you erase it, I'll post
again):
 
[Here's your recent ambiguous definition:]
 
> I don't define racial purity as you define it.  My definition of racial
> purity, which is in accord with the definition used by Aryans since the
> beginning of the race, is that an individual is "pure" when they do not 
> exhibit any traits which are distinctly non-Aryan, and do not have any 
> known recent non-Aryan ancestry.
 
Then I asked, which you erased:
 
I'll be a nice guy and let you define "recent" again.  Last time you got your
tongue in a big knot.
 
 
You also erased:
 
Let's try the ancient art of the circular argument:
 
Is not race-mixing a crime against Nature?  You answer:
 
 
Is not someone who believes they can overcome the Laws of Nature and allow
crimes against it to happen a threat to Nature?  You answer:
 
 
Is not your theory that allows for small-scale race-mixing that doesn't harm
the "phenotypic characteristics," then, a theory that calls for the overcoming
of Nature?
 
 
 
>  
> >> As for the allegation that _MK_ contradicts my statements, please describe
> >> how my statements are in such contradiction.
>  
> >As for Mein Kampf, Hitler spoke of "purity of blood."  Now all humans bleed
> >red blood, therefore he could not have been speaking of a simple 
> >phenotypical trait that is visibly and racially different by sight.  
> >Hitler was, surprise Milton!, was interested in something deeper than 
> >just "looking white."
>  
> Your attempt at ridicule has failed again, Alex.
 
Really, do you think that Hitler outward appearence when he says "purity of
blood?"
>  
> I will say again, Hitler's approval of the Nurnberg Laws indicates that 
> he did not interpret racial purity as you do, but that his view of purity 
> was along the lines I propose.  If you can cite SPECIFIC examples/quotes 
> from _MK_ which support your contentions, please do so.
>  
I've been waiting for weeks for you to cite the Nuremburg Laws.
 
I have an example from Mein Kampf which shows Hitler believes in purity and
regards it as something deeper than outward appearence:
 
"There is only one human right, and this holiest right is at the same time the
holiest obligation, to wit: to make sure that the blood is kept pure and, by
preserving the best humanity, to create the possibility of a nobler
development of these beings"       Vol. 2 Chap. 2
 
How do you reconcile this example with your intention to allow whites already
slightly affected by racial blood poisoning into the Aryan Nation?
 
>  
>  
> >There are 100,000 genes and 3 billion nucleotide base pairs that are
> >individualized and racially distinct.  Take your pick.
>  
> How do you know they are "racially-distinct"?  By frequencies of their 
> occurence?  If .002% of Aryans have a gene-frequency common among Asians, 
> is that automatic "proof" they are of Asian ancestry?  What if that .002% 
> is really pure, as you define it, and has that gene as the result of 
> mutation?  
 
A mutation will create a trait completely new to the world.  An Aryan gene
would never mutate into a Mongoloid gene.  That's impossible. If a
white-looking person, though, has a gene only indigenous to Mongoloid DNA,
then there is concrete proof of race-mixing in their family.
>  
> >> Show me ANY individual, and *I* can tell you his or her race by looking at
> >> their face.
>  
> Want to try it?  I'm confident I'd get all of them right.  
 
I'll try it but since I don't believe you believe you have supernatural
powers, how do you think you can be completely correct?  Take half-jew Senator
William Cohen.  If you saw him in any Aryan country you would never suspect
him.
>  
> What would it take for YOU to admit YOUR falliblity?
>  
I'll admit I'm fallible here, but the reason I don't falter and change
directions on this discussion we are having is because, unlike yours, my
argument for uncompromised racial purity is perfectly strong.  You still
haven't even given us your definition of an Aryan that can live in the Aryan
Nation.
 
>  
> I NEVER said we came from apes and Niggers (actually, what's the 
> difference?  ;-).
 
If you want to argue with me on this point, please publish it in a different
e-mail on Stormfront.  As much as you would like you're not going to change
the topic that easily.
>  
> I said that 80% of those in our Movement are not pure according to your 
> standards, not mine.  If we use my standards, 98% are pure.
>  
You said 80% even before I stated my standards.  Unless you are psychic you
weren't using my standards. 
 
This still means you think 80% of us in the Movement have at least one mud
ancestor.  Correct?
 
>  
> I have NEVER advocated deliberate racial bastardization, and anyone who 
> has followed my activism knows that.  I consider miscegenation a capital 
> offense.  I am not talking about legalizing racial bastardization; I'm 
> talking about accepting reality, that most Aryans in America DO have an 
> Indian, Jew, or possibly a Nigger, ancestor, and determining how much 
> non-Aryan ancestry is permissible before we take measures to exclude such an 
> individual from our gene pool.
>  
Yes. You know how much I say is permissible (which is none).  Now can you tell
us how much you say is "permissible."
 
 
> >Let's get back to basics.  A pure Aryan is an Aryan with a pure Aryan racial
> >lineage. There's no room for the jew or negro who can pull the wool over
> >Milton's eyes.
>  
> I noticed in a recent post of yours that you would be proud of Indian 
> heritage if you found some.  Sounds like hypocrisy to me.  What's the 
> difference between being part Jew, or part Indian?
 
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  Could you rephrase it?
 
 
>   
> >Fifty years ago they lacked the technology of today.
>  
> Thank you.  And 2000 years ago, they used what?
 
They used whatever they could.  Two things being lineage documents and
heraldic titles.  Like me they would use the technology at their disposal.
>  
> Your advocacy of utilizing some sort of possible genetic testing system 
> in the next few decades makes all those Jew fantasy stories about "what 
> would have happened if Hitler had won" sound like we're gonna have to 
> deal with people featured in those psychotic tales.
 
Certainly the jews have been afraid of this this and have used their control
of media to instill fear in the goyium.  It's up to us to make some of their
nightmares come true.
 
> purity than the Germans because you're "educated."  How do you explain the 
> fact that your "science" also declares that "races don't exist."  Were you 
> able to convince your professor that races DO exist?  
 
My professor believes there are separate races.  He is the one who taught me
about ethnic genetic databases.
>  
>  
> >You fell into my trap.  Adam or whoever was the first man must have been 
> >pure because he could not have racially mixed ancestors.  Chicken or 
> >Egg, Milt.
>  
> Are you, or are you not, advocating creationism?  By assuming that all 
> Aryans spring from ONE male ancestor, you must be.  If so, how do you 
> explain it as being "scientific"?
 
I'm not advocating anything other than racial purity.  You asked for someone
racially pure, and I showed that whoever was the first man was, ipso facto,
necessarily pure, because he never had parents who could have race-mixed.
 
Again, I know you'd love to change the subject because your defense of racial
impurity is so weak, but I will be happy to debate anything you want from
theology to the OJ trial on another e-mail. 
>  
> >> To answer your question, IF it were demonstrated that either: 1) your
> >> beliefs about racial purity were more valid than mine, and more conducive
> >> to the survival of the Aryan Race; and/or 2) you were indeed more racially
> >> pure than Milch, as established by scientific means, I would indeed obey
> >> orders and assist in the "neutralization" of Milch.
>   
> >Mine are definitely more conducive for survival of the pure Race.
>  
> Again, WHAT is a "pure" race?  Don't give me more "well, it's a race with
> pure ancestry."  EXPLAIN HOW you will determine that the race is "pure," 
> i.e., 100% free of non-Aryan ancestry.
>  
I have at least 3-4 times.  First by documentry evidence and secondly by
genetic analysis.  I don't have enough faith in your supposedly infallible
method of looking at people and going no farther.
 
>  I do not
> believe in blind loyalty. 
>
Then you don't understand the oath, "Meine Ehre heisst Treue."
 
I do.
 
For Race and Nation,
 
Alex  
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Subject:     Alex attacks again...
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From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:43:42 -0500
Subject: Alex attacks again...
 
Alex writes, with his usual arrogance:
 
> Milty, you cannot choose to answer only my questions that you don't have
> difficulty with.  You hoped no one would notice how you butchered my post.
> You have yet to define what you believe the racial make-up of a person must b
e
> to be permitted to live in the Aryan Nation.  Remember you originally said
> they can have a mud ancestor six-generations back.  Then there was that
> awkward moment when you admitted you were wrong.
 
Awww!  Isn't that cute.    He called me "Milty."
 
Listen Alex.  If you can't extend me enough respect to call me by my name,
instead of the diminutive form of it, as though I am a child, I have
nothing more to discuss with you.
 
1) I didn't "butcher" your post.  I edit ALL my mail and posts, to save
   space.  I deleted superflous material, which you, not I, deemed important.
 
2) If I define what my racial purity specifications are, will YOU tell
   the world, without your usual Jew-like obfuscation, HOW you will determine
   racial purity, IN DETAIL (not: "well, we'll use records and blood-tests").
 
3) I did not "admit I was wrong."  If you're referring to the sixth-
   generation "rule," it was YOU, not I, who made it a "rule."
 
> Now please answer the question forthrightly (If you erase it, I'll post
> again):
  
> [Here's your recent ambiguous definition:]
  
> > I don't define racial purity as you define it.  My definition of racial
> > purity, which is in accord with the definition used by Aryans since the
> > beginning of the race, is that an individual is "pure" when they do not 
> > exhibit any traits which are distinctly non-Aryan, and do not have any 
> > known recent non-Aryan ancestry.
  
> Then I asked, which you erased:
  
> I'll be a nice guy and let you define "recent" again.  Last time you got your
> tongue in a big knot.
 
There was no point to continuing this part of the discussion until YOU 
demonstrated how racial purity can be PROVEN.
 
If you insist, for the sake of argument I will stand by my six generation 
statement.
 
> You also erased:
>  
> Let's try the ancient art of the circular argument:
  
> Is not race-mixing a crime against Nature?  You answer:
 
> Is not someone who believes they can overcome the Laws of Nature and allow
> crimes against it to happen a threat to Nature?  You answer:
>  
> Is not your theory that allows for small-scale race-mixing that doesn't harm
> the "phenotypic characteristics," then, a theory that calls for the overcomin
g
> of Nature?
 
WHO exactly is supposed to saying this?  Not me.
 
> > >> As for the allegation that _MK_ contradicts my statements, please descri
be
> > >> how my statements are in such contradiction.
  
> > >As for Mein Kampf, Hitler spoke of "purity of blood."  Now all humans blee
d
> > >red blood, therefore he could not have been speaking of a simple 
> > >phenotypical trait that is visibly and racially different by sight.  
> > >Hitler was, surprise Milton!, was interested in something deeper than 
> > >just "looking white."
  
> > Your attempt at ridicule has failed again, Alex.
  
> Really, do you think that Hitler outward appearence when he says "purity of
> blood?"
 
If you were to clarify the above gibberish, I would attempt to answer it.  
 
In any case, Hitler's position on this cannot be reduced to the equivalent 
of a sound byte.
 
> > I will say again, Hitler's approval of the Nurnberg Laws indicates that 
> > he did not interpret racial purity as you do, but that his view of purity 
> > was along the lines I propose.  If you can cite SPECIFIC examples/quotes 
> > from _MK_ which support your contentions, please do so.
  
> I've been waiting for weeks for you to cite the Nuremburg Laws.
 
Why don't YOU?  You're the one interested in them.  I'm not going to walk 
over to the school and look them up, wasting an hour for your benefit.
 
> I have an example from Mein Kampf which shows Hitler believes in purity and
> regards it as something deeper than outward appearence:
  
> "There is only one human right, and this holiest right is at the same time th
e
> holiest obligation, to wit: to make sure that the blood is kept pure and, by
> preserving the best humanity, to create the possibility of a nobler
> development of these beings"       Vol. 2 Chap. 2
  
> How do you reconcile this example with your intention to allow whites already
> slightly affected by racial blood poisoning into the Aryan Nation?
 
How do YOU reconcile Hitler's comments above with the REALITY that he 
authorized the Nuernberg Laws, which defined Aryans even more liberally 
than *I* believe should be the case?  Are YOU accusing Hitler of hypocrisy?
How do YOU reconcile the above quote with the fact the SS only checked 
back to 1750 for officer candidates, 1800 for enlsited men?
 
> > >There are 100,000 genes and 3 billion nucleotide base pairs that are
> > >individualized and racially distinct.  Take your pick.
>  
> > How do you know they are "racially-distinct"?  By frequencies of their 
> > occurence?  If .002% of Aryans have a gene-frequency common among Asians, 
> > is that automatic "proof" they are of Asian ancestry?  What if that .002% 
> > is really pure, as you define it, and has that gene as the result of 
> > mutation?  
  
> A mutation will create a trait completely new to the world.  An Aryan gene
> would never mutate into a Mongoloid gene.  That's impossible. If a
> white-looking person, though, has a gene only indigenous to Mongoloid DNA,
> then there is concrete proof of race-mixing in their family.
 
Unless one is testing for the presence of genes which govern LOOKS, just 
HOW do you determine which is an Aryan gene, and which is non-Aryan?  Why 
wouldn't it be possible that some of the genes you would test for would 
indeed be shared by pure Aryans as well as Asiatics?
 
> > >> Show me ANY individual, and *I* can tell you his or her race by looking 
at
> > >> their face.
  
> > Want to try it?  I'm confident I'd get all of them right.  
  
> I'll try it but since I don't believe you believe you have supernatural
> powers, how do you think you can be completely correct?  Take half-jew Senato
r
> William Cohen.  If you saw him in any Aryan country you would never suspect
> him.
 
On the contrary, he has a "funny look" about him.  
 
> > What would it take for YOU to admit YOUR falliblity?
  
> I'll admit I'm fallible here, but the reason I don't falter and change
> directions on this discussion we are having is because, unlike yours, my
> argument for uncompromised racial purity is perfectly strong.  You still
> haven't even given us your definition of an Aryan that can live in the Aryan
> Nation.
 
I'll let the readers decide which of our arguments are valid and strong, 
or invalid and weak.  
 
When you give us your process for determining racial purity, I'll be happy 
to provide my definition of racial purity.
 
> This still means you think 80% of us in the Movement have at least one mud
> ancestor.  Correct?
 
The odds indicate that this is beyond a reasonable doubt.  But it doesn't 
necessarily HAVE TO BE true.
 
> > I have NEVER advocated deliberate racial bastardization, and anyone who 
> > has followed my activism knows that.  I consider miscegenation a capital 
> > offense.  I am not talking about legalizing racial bastardization; I'm 
> > talking about accepting reality, that most Aryans in America DO have an 
> > Indian, Jew, or possibly a Nigger, ancestor, and determining how much 
> > non-Aryan ancestry is permissible before we take measures to exclude such a
n 
> > individual from our gene pool.
  
> Yes. You know how much I say is permissible (which is none).  Now can you tel
l
> us how much you say is "permissible."
 
No more than 1/32nd, if not less.  Hitler allowed 1/4th in some cases.
 
> > >Let's get back to basics.  A pure Aryan is an Aryan with a pure Aryan raci
al
> > >lineage. There's no room for the jew or negro who can pull the wool over
> > >Milton's eyes.
 
> > I noticed in a recent post of yours that you would be proud of Indian 
> > heritage if you found some.  Sounds like hypocrisy to me.  What's the 
> > difference between being part Jew, or part Indian?
  
> I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  Could you rephrase it?
 
You know damn well what I mean.  But here's a clarification: do you
believe that Jewish ancestry is worse than Indian ancestry.  If so, why?
 
> > Your advocacy of utilizing some sort of possible genetic testing system 
> > in the next few decades makes all those Jew fantasy stories about "what 
> > would have happened if Hitler had won" sound like we're gonna have to 
> > deal with people featured in those psychotic tales.
  
> Certainly the jews have been afraid of this this and have used their control
> of media to instill fear in the goyium.  It's up to us to make some of their
> nightmares come true.
 
Any sane man would be frightened of such insane plans.  I'm speaking 
of the type of fanatic who would exterminate the Aryan Race because he 
found "impurities" in it, the type that would put racial purity as an 
end and not as a means.
 
> > purity than the Germans because you're "educated."  How do you explain the 
> > fact that your "science" also declares that "races don't exist."  Were you 
> > able to convince your professor that races DO exist?  
  
> My professor believes there are separate races.  He is the one who taught me
> about ethnic genetic databases.
 
Then he is among the minority of "scientists."  Overall, "science" claims 
that races do not exist, and are arbitrary concepts which have no basis 
in reality.
 
> > Are you, or are you not, advocating creationism?  By assuming that all 
> > Aryans spring from ONE male ancestor, you must be.  If so, how do you 
> > explain it as being "scientific"?
  
> I'm not advocating anything other than racial purity.  You asked for someone
> racially pure, and I showed that whoever was the first man was, ipso facto,
> necessarily pure, because he never had parents who could have race-mixed.
 
How do you know there weren't a few dozen "first Aryans"?
 
> > >> To answer your question, IF it were demonstrated that either: 1) your
> > >> beliefs about racial purity were more valid than mine, and more conduciv
e
> > >> to the survival of the Aryan Race; and/or 2) you were indeed more racial
ly
> > >> pure than Milch, as established by scientific means, I would indeed obey
> > >> orders and assist in the "neutralization" of Milch.
> >   
> > >Mine are definitely more conducive for survival of the pure Race.
> >  
> > Again, WHAT is a "pure" race?  Don't give me more "well, it's a race with
> > pure ancestry."  EXPLAIN HOW you will determine that the race is "pure," 
> > i.e., 100% free of non-Aryan ancestry.
  
> I have at least 3-4 times.  First by documentry evidence and secondly by
> genetic analysis.  I don't have enough faith in your supposedly infallible
> method of looking at people and going no farther.
 
You have pawned off what you claimed to be an explanation 3 or 4 times.  
Vagueness is not an "explanation."
 
> >  I do not believe in blind loyalty. 
 
> Then you don't understand the oath, "Meine Ehre heisst Treue."
 
Then I guess I'll just have to be Himmler, instead of Jochen Peiper.  ;-)
 
I understand the 14 Words.  Racial purification is a means to achieve the 
14 Words, not an end separate from them, as you're making it to be.
 
-- MJK
 
--
"The fate of every last White man, woman, and child on this planet lies
squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews

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Subject:     Re: The futility of the debate...
Sent:        12/31/95  2:18 PM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: Alexander james Curtis 
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 95 6:18:10 PST
Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...
 
> 
> From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:45:45 -0500
> Subject: The futility of the debate...
>  
> Comrades --
>  
> The debate between Alex Curtis, and Conrad and I, has continued for 
> several weeks now, with absolutely no progress toward a resolution of the 
> issues.
>  
> I feel there is no point to continuing the thread, at least on my part, 
> as NOTHING productive, and much destructive, particularly of esprit de 
> corps, will be achieved from forcing a dead-end discussion further towards 
> hostility.
  
Milton,  I have to question your honesty here.
I sat down at my computer two hours ago to find that you had responded to all
of my latest postings.  You even asked several more questions of me.
 
 
How can you ask questions of me about something I care deeply about and 
then cover your tail by pulling out?
 
 
For the last two hours I have answered all your questions and presented you
with questions that I don't think you can answer while still defending racial
impurity.  This is before I knew you wanted to get out!
 
 
Now you send out this long apology that nothing is being achieved.  You
suddenly don't have to respond to the questions you knew I would ask when you
recently asked questions of me. 
 
 
I think that if you ever want to reply to someone in Stormfront again you will
have to at least look at my questions and respond in a way that you think is
an honorable way to exit from this discussion.
 
 
I thought it was getting a little tedious myself, but I truly believe you are
wrong about allowing any trace of the blood of the mud races to knowingly
infiltrate the communal bloodstream of our race. 
 
 
Here is my solid belief.  It is based on my earliest understanding of racial
purity and my later experience with genealogy and genetics.  It is scientific
and spiritual and can never be proven wrong:
 
        The White Aryan Race is distinct and separately created from all other
"human" races.  It's members are pure in blood and spirit and can be
predestined for greatness.  Once, and once is all it takes, the pure Aryan
reproductively mixes with anyone other than another pure Aryan, the blood and
spirit of the true pure Aryan is lost forever and can never be revived.
 
That is my unalterable belief.  This is the policy I will always seek for the
upcoming Aryan Nation:
 
        Citizenship in the Nation will be exclusive to those of pure Aryan
ancestry.  All means of purification analysis will be used that is avialable.
That will be genealogical records, DNA analysis and all other tests that
emerge from our ingenuity.   If any of these tests reveal non-Aryan ancestry
the person will be required to permanently leave the Nation.
 
If you agree with this then we are in agreement.  If not, and you believe in a
less strict form of racial qualifications, I will disagree with you because
your view does not protect the purity of the gene pool.
 
 
For Race and Nation,
 
Alex   
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Subject:     Re: The futility of the debate...
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From: MSFITT@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:54:23 -0500
Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...

In a message dated 95-12-31 08:05:10 EST, you write:

>From milton, to Alex and Conrad

>I feel there is no point to continuing the thread, at least on my part,
>as NOTHING productive, and much destructive, particularly of esprit de
>corps, will be achieved from forcing a dead-end discussion further towards
>hostility.
>
>I'm sure Alex will assert I am "admitting defeat."  If that perception is
>necessary for his ego's health, then so be it.  There was no "prize" in
>this discussion, nor should there be among any of us on Stormfront -- we
>are all supposed to be comrades,
>
>I hope this discussion, and my commentary, serve to illustrate what to
>avoid in the future.  We have gained nothing, and have lost respect for
>each other, and expended time and effort in a useless way.

-- Milton

A better way to explain this resignation in the face of relentless fire,
Miltie has stumbled just to darn many times, and when he gets caught
 with his pants down, he just convientely deletes out the responses that
dosent fit his discussion line.
I still have one coming back at you Miltie, I am giving you the benefit of
waiting, maybe you just havent had tine to answer the response from the
conflicting post from you to Alex, and then you to me. No use trying to
pass it off Miltie, everyone on this mailing list saw the post, it was a
 relatively small response, In your words Miltie, Put up or shut up.
Or was it put up or look like a fool. Whatever, "buddy boy"
Regards. OWAM.

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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:22:50 -0500
Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...
 
>From: MSFITT@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:54:23 -0500
>Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...
 
>A better way to explain this resignation in the face of relentless fire,
>Miltie has stumbled just to darn many times, and when he gets caught
>with his pants down, he just convientely deletes out the responses that
>dosent fit his discussion line.
 
Does anyone have a feeling of deja vu when reading "misfit's" posts?  Like
the feeling one has seen this type of "writing" before?  
 
Like "MSFITT" is really Wyatt Kaldenberg?
 
The fact of the matter, dude, is that *I* know how to format and to write,
and I know when or when not to delete.  The material I remove from
previous posts is in my view, irrelevant, and a waste of bandwidth to include.
 
>I still have one coming back at you Miltie, I am giving you the benefit of
>waiting, maybe you just havent had tine to answer the response from the
>conflicting post from you to Alex, and then you to me. No use trying to
>pass it off Miltie, everyone on this mailing list saw the post, it was a
> relatively small response, In your words Miltie, Put up or shut up.
>Or was it put up or look like a fool. Whatever, "buddy boy"
 
OK, punk, why don't you explain what you're attempting to say here?
 
You can make fun of my name all you want, misfit, but it won't change the
fact that your pen-name says it all.
 
[to the other readers of Stormfront, including Alex, I'm not going to
restart the debate again to appease this subhuman.  Alex & I have made an
agreement on an apparopriate end to the discussion, and that has settled it]
 
-- Miltie
   
 
 
--
"The fate of every last White man, woman, and child on this planet lies
squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews

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Subject:     Re: Science/ V / Protocols / (theory)
Sent:        01/01  6:28 PM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:28:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Science/ V / Protocols / (theory)
 
>From: MSFITT@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:55:02 -0500
>Subject: Science/ V / Protocols / (theory)
 
>Here you are milton, grab onto this one and see what you can do with it
>Maybe you will just delete it out, and try to ignore it, sorry it will not
>make a very good showing on your part.
>Regards, Milti. OWAM
 
Whatever you say, Wyatt.
 
What exactly are you trying to achieve by starting another war on Stormfront? 
Listen up now, I'm not going to take your bait to join your little childish
game.
 
 
 
--
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squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews

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Subject:     Re: The futility of the debate...
Sent:        01/01  7:52 PM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca (Milton Kleim)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:52:15 -0500
Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...
 
In accordance with an agreement between Alex and I, I will offer brief
comments in reply to his below:
 
>Milton,  I have to question your honesty here.
>I sat down at my computer two hours ago to find that you had responded to all
>of my latest postings.  You even asked several more questions of me.
 
>How can you ask questions of me about something I care deeply about and 
>then cover your tail by pulling out?
 
I made my last reply, and then wrote the essay to which you are referring.
 
I did not intend to pre-empt your right to answer the questions.  I
welcome you to make your last statements, as I have done.  It was not my
intent to "get the last word in."
 
>Now you send out this long apology that nothing is being achieved.  You
>suddenly don't have to respond to the questions you knew I would ask when you
>recently asked questions of me. 
 
As has been explained, this debate is too time-consuming for me,
especially considering very little has been accomplished through it.  I
have more important activities to attend to on USENET, and in replying to
other issues on Stormfront.  I thought it best to end my part in this
discussion; if others wish to take it up, then it is their perogative to do
so.
 
>I think that if you ever want to reply to someone in Stormfront again you will
>have to at least look at my questions and respond in a way that you think is
>an honorable way to exit from this discussion.
 
I felt my actions were completely honorable, and several people have mailed
me to express their concurrent feelings on my "gracious" exit from the
discussion.
 
-- Milton
 
 
--
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squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews

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Subject:     Re: The futility of the debate...
Sent:        01/07  2:54 AM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: MSFITT@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:54:48 -0500
Subject: Re: The futility of the debate...
 
In a message dated 96-01-01 20:15:37 EST, you write:
 
>>Miltie has stumbled just to darn many times, and when he gets caught
>>with his pants down, he just convientely deletes out the responses that
>>dosent fit his discussion line.
> 
>Does anyone have a feeling of deja vu when reading "misfit's" posts?  Like
>the feeling one has seen this type of "writing" before?  
> 
>Like "MSFITT" is really Wyatt Kaldenberg?
 
Impressed, Depressed, Compliment, Attempt to discredit, I am not sure
of  Miltons intentions here.
Mis-Fit, is one of the family dogs names, accidental cross of Black Lab, and
German Shepard, Mis-Fit was the runt of the litter, a year later she was a
110 pounds of wonderful animal, all the good carracteristics of both breeds
wonderful retriver, love of water, loves children, and I guarantee no
visitors
when we are away from home. Wyatt Kaldenberg I can assure you I am not
If this is your attempt to discredit, or credit, I would appreciate it if you
would
not attempt to involve others in our little debate, You can make all the
 agrements you want with Alex, I will still ask for answers to  discrepencies
 in your posts. when you slip, I will see it and you will get it back.
I was in your area (St Paul) on 1/4/96 checked out your propaganda media
and was not impressed, SOS to me, same as I see in all the Jew papers.
 deja vu.

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