From oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ccs!covici Mon Sep 27 18:18:47 PDT 1993 Article: 28001 of alt.activism Path: oneb!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ccs!covici From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: alt.activism Subject: EIR Talks 09/22/93 Message-ID: <423-PCNews-126beta@ccs.covici.com> Date: 26 Sep 93 21:0:28 GMT Organization: Covici Computer Systems Lines: 643 - ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE - The wider LaRouche's presence, the greater the pressure to get him free. Put LaRouche on radio, with a new interview each week. The transcript below is from a weekly hour-long interview formatted with news breaks and commercials. To get LaRouche on radio, calls from people within stations' listening area can be most effective. 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To do this, send a message to listserv@ccs.covici.com with a line (not the subject line) saying subscribe lar-lst After that, to get an index, say index lar-lst {EIR} Talks Interviewer: Mel Klenetsky September 22, 1993 MEL KLENETSKY: Welcome to {Executive Intelligence Review'}s Talks. I'm Mel Klenetsky. We're on the line with Lyndon LaRouche from Rochester, Minnesota. Mr. LaRouche, welcome. MR. LAROUCHE: Good morning. Q: We had some interesting developments this Tuesday, in terms of Boris Yeltsin, the President of Russia, disbanding the Parliament, and saying that the Parliament will not meet until elections are held on December 11 and 12. No one can predict what's going to happen. What are the basic implications of what's going on? MR. LAROUCHE: The evaluation that I have from inside Moscow at a high level is that Yeltsin has moved, and he may have lost his head--that is, he has engaged in, in what we call in military terms, flight forward. This obviously occurred with fore-discussion with the government of the United States and others; maybe not in all the details, but certainly a great deal of it was discussed. And it was immediately pre-qualified, to try to make it work, by getting an alignment of various governments on it. Now the other aspect of this which has to be taken into account to appreciate the weight of it, is the Polish elections, which involved an estimated 40% abstention from the vote, which would be typical for a United States general election, but not typical for a European country, which produced, by virtue of the abstention, a de facto communist return to power. Maybe as a minority government, who knows what. The point is two things. First of all, the shock therapy, the IMF conditionalities and so forth, are producing the effect in Russia which we see forecast in the crisis developments in Poland and elsewhere, so that in any case, that's not going to work. As a matter of fact, that's producing a social crisis. The efforts now are to implement political measures to put lids on the social and economic crises generated by these insane Sen. Phil Gramm-type of thinking in international policy, or Thatcher-type thinking in international policy; and this has produced a freak-out, a coup and an attempted countercoup and who knows what else to come in Moscow. This occurs at a time when the United States is running blind. First of all, I know Washington, I know how these things function. Washington is in a fit; it's saying the democracy policy is going to work, the economic policy is going to work, the Russia policy is going to work--well, none of them are going to work. But Washington {insists} on being optimistic about those results. And so we have a pattern around the world, of governments and leading nations which are all ready to fall--not only in Moscow, in the former communist countries of Eastern Europe, but in Germany, where the government is very vulnerable in the coming elections (which may begin to topple it); Italy of course; Spain; Greece; Britain; the Canadian government's going through an overturn; and the governments of South and Central America, and so forth and so on--including, of course, ultimately the Clinton administration if it continues on this track. We have come to a turning point; the United States is whistling in the dark on military policy, saying that Russia is only a regional military power. Russia is emerging again as a great thermonuclear global power; it's still exercising those military capabilities, albeit on a reduced scale. We have a crisis in China of undetermined magnitude. Everything is falling apart, and Washington is whistling as it walks by its own graveyard--at least, that's the way things are going now. And the Russian situation should be seen as a coup, an attempted countercoup and so forth, which {reflect} the fact that none of the policies which are currently popular with the U.S. press in Washington, are going to work; as a matter of fact, they're coming to the end of their road. These policies, as policy complexes, are facing doom--imminent doom. Q: Would you say that the return of Yegor Gaidar prior to this announcement by Yeltsin indicates a return in Moscow to certain economic policies--the shock therapy policies--that Gaidar represents? MR. LAROUCHE: That's what the U.S. press will tend to say, and U.S. official Washington. That's absolute nonsense. Gaidar returned because he's popular among the Western powers, because Yeltsin received a little pocket money from the United States, because the Russians are playing the situation for all they can; and so he is a {symptom} of Yeltsin's relationship with the government of the United States. That's all he represents. He represents {nothing} in and of himself. On the Russian side, he represents the fact that they have not gotten their act together, they have not decided what policy they're going to follow. But Washington has it completely wrong. Q: Mr. LaRouche, the debate that has been going on, or the struggle that has been going on between Yeltsin and the Speaker of the Parliament, Ruslan Khasbulatov, between the Parliament and the President, is just one of the many struggles that is taking place in Moscow at this point. As a matter of fact, some say there's a bigger struggle taking place between the regions and the center. What does this indicate in terms of the basic tensions and disintegration that's taking place in Russia at this point? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, the situation in Russia and China is no longer simply a crisis of the former communist bloc or of the former Soviet Union or Russia as such. The crisis in Russia is a reflection of a global breakdown crisis, which, contrary to some complacent and foolish fellows in the United States, includes the United States. {The U.S. economy is collapsing.} The world economy is collapsing. I'm talking about physical economy. Sure, the magnitude of paper, the magnitude of so-called GNP is measured largely in fictitious paper, that is, paper values which have nothing behind them. Or an increase in paper values which has nothing behind it. The real economy is collapsing. Employment is collapsing. Business is collapsing; the tax revenue base is collapsing in the United States. The per capita real purchasing power per family is collapsing. The only thing that's increasing, is these so-called paper markets, speculative market values, a financial bubble. The same situation is true in Europe. It's catastrophic on the continent of Europe. The same thing is true in China; China is headed toward a possible civil war, dissolution, everything else. Not that these will necessarily occur, but this is the direction in which things are moving. Japan is retrenching; and so forth and so on. Go on around the world, the same way. So what is happening in Russia, is a reflection of a general breakdown crisis of physical economy and also of political institutions around the world. This is accompanied by the fact that the so-called political class in leading European countries and others, is collapsing. Therefore, you have a crisis of indecision--a crisis of indecision in Washington. The political class in Washington is disintegrating. We see a similar phenomenon in Germany. Since the Brandt education reforms of 1970 in Germany, Germany has been going downhill in terms of renewing the leading political class and the other economic and other cadres, intellectual cadres of the country. France is similar, since 1963, '68, with the educational reforms there, which led to the bringing down of de Gaulle, and then other problems--an erosive process. Italy: a similar kind of process. The country is being disintegrated, partly from the outside. Britain: the political class is in a crisis. The monarchy is in question, or the continuation of the monarchy is in question; all kinds of things. So we have a general breakdown crisis, a physical economic breakdown crisis which is affecting everything; we're on the verge of the greatest financial blowout in history, at least in modern history in relative scale. In absolute scale, of course in history as a whole. The ruling political classes, institutions of countries, including the United States, are disintegrating. That is, the group of people who are powerful families and their hangers-on, the Establishment, the foundation Establishment hangers-on; they're disintegrating. So as you get to the age group under 50, and even under 60, you get to people who are no longer capable of functioning as those who are now either deceased or in their late 60s or 70s, say, my generation or older; as these people pass on, or pass out of government, and are replaced by younger people, we have a younger generation which is showing the effects of miseducation, disorientation, confusion, of the New Age policy and so forth; they simply just don't know how to handle these kinds of things, and they're not realistic. So we can say that we have the ruling political class in all of these countries, including the United States, showing the loss of power to govern. You may have a turn on the Republican side to Dole. Dole, as I understand it, is about 73 years of age. He is not the greatest genius in the world, but he is an old-style political class figure; and you may find a turnback, a popular turnback, first among leading circles and others, toward people in the over-60, over-65 age group as a replacement political leadership of institutions in the United States, because the younger generation now currently in power does not seem to be able to handle the situation --doesn't know how to get its act together. And that's true all around the world. Q: The new developments in the Middle East; the fact that you have Peres pushing for a certain type of economic reforms, and you have a counter to that, where some people are saying let's create another Hong Kong in Israel. What are the implications of this for the overall crisis? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, there are a number of things. First of all, Peres and I seem to have agreed for a long time. We collaborated off and on in various ways at times, along with others in his circle, on the idea of a Middle East peace through negotiation with the Palestinian Arabs, the PLO in particular. We've agreed on it; and he has reaffirmed the principal basis for that agreement. I have insisted, since 1975, that the idea of finding a Middle East peace as a {political} solution without putting physical-economic development {foremost,} is an impossibility. Peres has increasingly leaned in that direction; and he has reopened it. [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, we were just discussing Peres and the Middle East policy and the implications of a Hong Kong-style approach or a great infrastructure development approach. MR. LAROUCHE: Well, Peres has understood, as I have emphasized also, which is our point of coincidence, that without economic development of the style which I have insisted upon for the Middle East and for Europe and also for the United States; without introducing that kind of infrastructure-based dirigist or state-directed, state-credit-directed approach, it is impossible to reach a Middle East peace, because the foundations for mutual self-interest would not exist. Others have opposed that. You have the approach of George Soros and similar types of people, who want to turn the Middle East simply into a financial and gambling resort and house of prostitution or something like that. That means the death of everything. Peres is no fool; some of the old fellows in Israel, unlike the worst Likudniks like the Sharon types, are no fools either. They see this and they have understood this for a long time. They see it as more urgent than ever before. They see also an opportunity at this time to put this through--and that's why they did it--at the same time they realize the collapse of the governments of Europe and of the United States, and the failure of the Bush-Thatcher globalist approach, of which NAFTA and the GATT agreements are a part; that the imminent collapse of these things, means that the Middle East, unless it straightens out its own act internally, regionally, will be subject to the chaos spilling over from Eastern Europe, from the Balkans and so forth, and from the world economic crisis. They see also, in terms of the Israeli population, from the Israeli side, that the Israeli population will degenerate into a population which can no longer care for itself or defend itself; and that they must act now, while they still have the capability of doing so, of reviving Israel by means of this kind of cooperation and going back to an infrastructure-based, high-tech economy rather than what some people would like, like Sharon's backers, who would like a house of prostitution, financial prostitution, political prostitution, and actual prostitution. So they want to avoid that, and therefore they are moving in this direction. That has to be appreciated. The reason people have trouble and misunderstand the Middle East, primarily in the United States, is that people in the United States are still idiotic enough to believe that the kind of thinking that Senator Phil Gramm or the free trade nuts and so forth, NAFTA supporters, GATT supporters represent, that these kinds of things are real and should prevail; whereas in Israel, where they are more realistic, they know these things {cannot} prevail and also should not prevail; and therefore they have to find a way into the future, out of a dying past. Q: In the 1975-78 period, when you developed your Middle East Oasis Plan, you pointed to the skill levels in the Palestinian, Egyptian, and Israeli population as a source of strength for building regional development in the area. What do you see at this point? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, we're still in trouble, but we still have the last gasp. Remember, around the world, in the changes in cultural paradigms, educational policy, and economy, which erupted over the period 1968 or 1966-1973, or 1968-1972, or whatever you want to say--this turning point meant that the average person who came into adulthood during that time or later, is of a poorer quality in terms of education, in terms of acculturation, in terms of motivation, in terms of rationality or capacity for rationality, is {inferior} in these qualities to the people, say, who completed maturity before the middle of the 1960s. So that's the problem in general. So as every year passes, especially as every decade passes, the quality of the population of every country in the world, is degenerating, is going downhill. We have to reverse this cultural paradigm; we have to reverse the New Age. We have to go back to the sovereign nation-state. The defense of the family; the defense of the sacredness of individual life, that sort of thing. We've got to do that {now.} This is our last chance to do it globally; that's what the Israelis are trying to do, and that's what Arafat's trying to do: to seize this opportunity while they are still alive to do it, before a younger generation which presently would not be morally or intellectually capable of doing it, is left with the task. They have to move now; this is their last chance. [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, some of these Western governments are looking at GATT and NAFTA as a panacea for their problems. GATT--especially the Blair House accords--are seen as reviving or restructuring agricultural policy throughout the West; France is resisting; other countries perhaps are resisting. What is the situation? Can this possibly help? MR. LAROUCHE: No, it cannot help. It can only make things worse. I see absolute insanity erupting from among circles which I used to think were quite sane. The insanity takes the form of the desperate effort to reconcile themselves intellectually with the idea that NAFTA and GATT are inevitable. This occurs in Europe. For example. Let's take the great sucking sound theme. Admittedly, Ross Perot is off on other issues related to this. He's off on budget balancing, he's off on a few things. But on the great sucking sound as such, he's absolutely correct. We are shipping jobs and businesses out of the United States into developing-sector countries, in search of cheap labor--in search of, essentially, slave labor. The argument is that this means that the goods that Americans consume, imported from Mexico, China, and so forth, will be cheaper than if those goods were produced in American firms in the United States by American labor. Well, the question is, where are the American firms, and where is the American population going to find the purchasing power to buy these goods? Secondly, where is the government going to find the tax revenue base to support even the existing levels of federal, state, and local budget? If we do not have a tax revenue base which is generated primarily by agriculture, industry, and infrastructure, and things that benefit from that (other kinds of employment), we don't have a country; we don't have the ability to support a country. If we do not provide skilled employment--technologically progressive skilled employment--where do we find the means to increase our productivity? To increase our purchasing power to meet our needs? To resist the attrition of old technologies? We don't. The same thing is true for Germany or France or Italy. This idea of exporting jobs to places where the cost of labor is ostensibly cheaper, is one of the greatest pieces of insanity ever conceived. The idea is to protect your national economy so that within your nation, you have national economic security in the sense that you either {produce} what you need for domestic manufacturing business and producers' consumption and households' consumption; or you produce a surplus of something, which can be exchanged on the world market for some of the things you need for your market basket, such as, say, bananas for the breakfast table. We don't grow them much in the United States; we could, with hothouses and with a lot of potassium fertilization of the soil. But it's much better to get them from Nicaragua or Panama than it is to get them in the United States. So we ship something to Panama, Nicaragua, whatnot, to get our bananas. So we still are not violating national economic self-sufficiency; but if you export your jobs in general, if you make yourself dependent in net upon what you can steal from other parts of the world by monetary jiggery-pokery, then your nation is going downhill. You see this in education, with this insanity, this absolute lunacy, of cutting education to eliminate the cognitive elements of education. Let me just give you an example of that. Suppose I were to insist, as President, that every teacher in the United States could not be federally certified as qualified to teach unless they could pass a basic examination, number one, in plane and solid geometry; two, unless they could pass an examination in U.S. and world history, which would ask the prospective teacher to answer such questions, for example, as: What was the evidence which caused American officials to believe that the British government was behind British agent Booth's assassination of Abraham Lincoln? Questions of that sort. If a person could not answer such ordinary questions to such examinations competently, they would not be recognized as qualified for the teaching profession. If we were to do that, you would eliminate most of the teachers in the school systems today, which is merely a way of saying that most teachers in the school systems today, are not qualified to teach--at least not in a general way. Now they're shifting away from what they call cognitive education, that is, education of the mind, to brainwashing of emotional attitudes, which is called Outcome Based Education, or Core Curriculum, or World Class Education--all the things they call it. We are destroying our children. We are destroying our labor force. And that goes along with deindustrialization and shipping our work out to coolies abroad, and then training our people to be fit for nothing here, with our children and our grandchildren to be good for nothing but slave-labor coolies early into the next century. So that is the most stupid thing imaginable. Now, we are coming up to a point where I think GATT is going to flop, and NAFTA is going to flop. NAFTA is certainly going to flop. We have a Canadian election coming up; and unless somebody puts some real bayonets in there to force the voters to go against their inclination, the Campbell government is going to be out, the pro-NAFTA government of Canada is going to be out. NAFTA is going to blow up; GATT is almost a dead letter; it's being held together by baling wire and blow torches right now. But if the Canadian elections upset NAFTA, that will be part of a process which will ensure that GATT, which is virtually an unworkable dead letter, will blow up too. So everything on which the United States government is presumably {presently} premising the idea of a consensus, a political consensus, is about to go down the tubes. Q: In the 1970s, Henry Kissinger had a program for the reorganization of food, for using food as a strategic weapon. Is this what the restructuring policy and GATT is all about? MR. LAROUCHE: This was not only Henry Kissinger; this was an address given out in the northwestern state of Washington, I believe, by Colby in that period, and others. That's only part of it. That's not it. It's population control, Henry Kissinger of course was for starving most of the people who have darker skin colors, starving them to death or letting epidemic diseases take over the famine-ridden, and cut down the numbers. There are people who are talking about reducing the U.S. population down to 130 million or something like that; there are those who are talking about reducing the world population to below 1 billion by the obvious methods of famine and epidemic disease. Henry Kissinger, of course, is a leader in that; and that is still very active, that is very much international UN policy today. Q: Mr. LaRouche, we were just discussing Henry Kissinger and his policies of using food as a strategic weapon and population control. Can you please continue? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, we were actually discussing this in the context of the export of jobs and things of that sort. There is a plan simply to use up the human race, for example, in Mexico or in China. Let's take China. We've mentioned this before in our discussions. You have about 400 million adult Chinese in the interior who may be considered actually or imminently surplus with respect to agricultural production as it's now programmed. These people are being funneled in streams of millions of persons toward Guangdong, Hainan, Shanghai, and so forth, in China. It reminds me, with an awful sensation of {de@agja vu,} of the cattle cars carrying the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to the slave-labor camps where most of them died; that perhaps the political and physical condition of Chinese coolies of this sort, going into Chinese {maquiladoras,} is better than that of the unfortunate victims of the Nazi ethnic cleansing policy; but the principle is the same. We have people going to work at wages which, by and large, as in the Mexican {maquiladoras,} are below the cost at which a working individual, adult, can support a family--or even support himself or herself--in an adequate standard of living by local standards. What that means, is that when we employ people so, we are effectively {melting down} living human bodies for whatever profit we can squeeze out of them--like squeezing lemon juice out of a lemon or grapefruit juice out of a grapefruit. We're talking about the scale in China of about 400 {million} people who face at least the prospect of that kind of population reduction. The same is true in most of the world: Mexico, Central and South America, and so forth and so on. And that's what we're doing, and that is the basis for this notion of cheap labor outside the United States. So we're destroying the United States; we're destroying the interior of Western Europe. We're destroying the possibility, possibly, of human life on this planet (at least as we have known it recently in the past 400-500 years) by these kinds of policies which Ross Perot associates with a great sucking sound. The solution is only to go back to what I have proposed and others have endorsed, which is paralleled by the views of some others such as the Vatican. We've got to go to a rule of this planet by moral natural law. And by natural law, I mean the demonstration that humanity is {distinct} from the beasts by the fact that humanity, through development of reason, can alter human behavior collectively, through individual scientific and related discoveries, to increase man's power over nature per capita and per square kilometer. That is the way the human race has survived for the past 2.2 million years or so; and if we abandon that, we are not going to survive now. So go back to the idea that the individual, by virtue of containing this potential for reason which no animal has, that the individual is in the image of God as Creator--the son of God in that respect--and that the family, which is the instrument of birth and nurture of these young individuals into and through adolescence, therefore must be an absolutely protected institution; that anyone who wants to come in from the outside and break up the family, or put it under the administration of a local school counselor under OBE, must be imprisoned or whatever is necessary, to keep them away from ``messing with the families,'' as we'd say. In order to have nations which function, we must have sovereign nation-state republics, constitutional republics, which are committed to these principles of law, as our Declaration of Independence, as the Preamble of our Constitution commits us; and these states must have absolute sovereignty, and be the vehicle by which the people rule themselves through participation in their own national sovereignty; that we must have agreement among such sovereign nation-state republics upon this planet, to agree that those are the principles by which each nation may conduct its affairs, and those are the principles of natural law which should govern relations among states on this planet--and get rid of this New Age, Satanic hocus-pocus, which is becoming so popular in the name of globalism--George Bush's and Margaret Thatcher's globalism--recently. That is where the problem lies; and that is where the problem of this NAFTA and GATT lies. These are simply instruments of globalism, which are aimed to destroy, in the name of democracy, in the name of free trade, the national sovereignty of states, including that of the United States; to destroy the family, as OBE, a United Nations concoction by Satanists working through the United Nations, typifies the attempt to destroy the family in the United States; and to destroy the idea of the individual as sacred. These are the ways we must look at NAFTA, GATT; these are not policies, these are evils. And they must be resisted. And I would hope that very soon, the natural course of events, and a natural political reaction, would bring about a pattern in which both NAFTA and GATT will be destroyed. Q: Mr. LaRouche, I want to move on to another area. President Clinton seems to think he has a program for health reform. Unfortunately, the program includes almost $250 billion worth of cuts in Medicare and Medicaid. Can this program possibly fly and if it does, what are the implications? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, fly or not, it's an Auschwitz program. The proposition is very simple. If I kill off the people who are over 65 years of age, which is a growing segment of the U.S. population and the part of the population which requires per capita the highest rate of health care; if I also kill off people who are over 40, over 50 or whatnot, who are severely chronically ill or severely incapacitated, then I will reduce the national health care cost per capita for the survivors of this genocidal program, and thus I may have the price available for free Band-Aids for the survivors; or low-level medical care for the survivors. But whatever the health plan is that's voted in--and it will be voted in with the idea of budget-balancing as part of the health care program (and some people have already said that the health care program must cut the federal budget); if that goes into effect, it means that there will be a perceptibly increasing similarity between such a health care package and what Hitler did to the so-called useless eaters in Nazi Germany and in Nazi-occupied territories in Europe. I don't care what they call it; if they are out to make these kinds of cuts in care for those who need it by trying to lop off the most costly part of health care--which is generally chronically ill, seriously ill, and those over 60 or 65; if you lop off medical care for these people while cutting down Social Security for the aged, you're going to increase the death rate among your parents and grandparents at a catastrophic rate, just as the victims, the so-called useless eaters, were killed off by the Nazis in the Nazi-occupied parts of wartime Europe. And morally, that's where it goes. I don't know what is in Mr. Clinton or Mrs. Clinton's minds on this. They may have amiable intentions; but the realities are such that, as long as we are operating under this present New Age policy, however amiable the intention of the sponsors of the health care package, it is going to be a disaster unless we change fundamentally, and get away from this New Age postindustrial policy and GATT and NAFTA-like policies. Q: Mr. LaRouche, one last question in the remaining few minutes that we have. Tim Wirth, the counselor to the State Department, addressed President Clinton's new drug policy. He's talking about revising the policy from interdiction to going at the problem at the sources in terms of counseling. What do you think of this shift in drug policy, and is it part of this New Age approach to social problems? MR. LAROUCHE: Counseling is a completely worthless expenditure. Cut it out. Don't kid yourself. The counseling programs of which I know, will actually increase the propensity for use of drugs--or suicide, one of the two. Because the counseling methods which are used, like the D.A.R.E. program, which is part of the same business, actually lower the intrinsic self-esteem of the person. And if I lower the intrinsic self-esteem of the person, as these drug-counseling programs do, then I'm going to have a person who is weaker, who lacks will power. I'll give an example of this, just quickly. There's a case up in Washington of a guy who was suing in small claims court for something like $1,300 from the tobacco company, which was the price of a cigarette rejection program, of kicking the habit. Obviously, knowing what cigarette habits are, anyone who wishes to kick the habit of smoking a cigarette, can kick that on the instant. He looks at the cigarette, he crushes it, puts it out; takes the pack, crushes it, gets rid of it; and never takes a cigarette for the rest of his life. If he wishes to do that, he can do that. If he can't do that, it's because he lacks will power. And I don't think it was right of any court to give somebody compensation for the price of a kick-the-habit cigarette course, because that simply indicated that they lacked the will power to do it themselves; and the cigarette companies are not to blame for their lack of will power. The same thing is true generally in drugs. In drugs, yes, there is need for medical and other assistance in dealing with the aftereffects of a drug habit, a recreational drug habit; sometimes this is very severe. That's needed. But essentially the drug policy in the United States since about 1983, has been fraudulent. When I devised an anti-drug program, I devised first of all exposing the nature of the problem, how it came about. There was no drug problem in the United States prior to 1964. It was incidental; it was not a general cultural drug problem; didn't exist. The drugs existed, but the problem didn't exist. It was the New Age counterculture, the rock-drug-sex counterculture and other things, that brought it in. So expose that: This is an attempt to destroy the nation by people who had New Age ideas. The way to deal with it otherwise, was by interdiction; also by assisting countries which were the victims of the growing drug traffic. Q: We will return next week. If you wish to ask Mr. LaRouche questions, write them in to ``{EIR} Talks, c/o EIR News Service, Inc., P.O. Box 17390, Washington, D.C., 20041-0390. - 30 - ---- John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com
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