From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!cyber1.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!ccs!covici Mon May 31 10:20:03 PDT 1993 Article: 21756 of alt.activism Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!cyber1.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!ccs!covici From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: alt.activism Subject: EIR Talks to Lyndon LaRouche 05/24/93 Keywords: Bosnia Economics Message-ID: <335-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> Date: 31 May 93 10:1:2 GMT Organization: Covici Computer Systems Lines: 663 - ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE - The wider LaRouche's presence, the greater the pressure to get him free. Put LaRouche on radio, with a new interview each week. The transcript below is from a weekly hour-long interview formatted with news breaks and commercials. To get LaRouche on radio, calls from people within stations' listening area can be most effective. Program director and general managers are usually the ones to make decisions about programming. Get interested contacts with businesses or products to advertise on the stations during the EIR Talks With LaRouche hour. This provides greater incentive for the stations to carry the program. Any radio station on the planet can air the weekly interviews with LaRouche. The EIR Press Staff can provide weekly tapes for broadcast. Or stations can pull the program down from satellite, using the coordinates below. The interviews are broadcast Sundays on satellite from 6:06 PM to 7:00 PM Eastern. For More Information: Frank Bell, Press Staff. Galaxy 2, 74 Degrees W Trans 3 74.9 mHz NB, SCPC 3:1 Companding, Flat or Satcom C-1, 137 Degrees W Trans 2 7.5 mHz Wide Band Video Subcarrier EIR TALKS WITH LYNDON LaROUCHE Interviewer: Mel Klenetsky May 24, 1993 Welcome to ``{Executive Intelligence Review'}s Talks With Lyndon LaRouche.'' I'm Mel Klenetsky. We're on the line with Mr. LaRouche in Rochester, Minnesota. - Agreement on Bosnia `Worse Than Munich' - Mr. LaRouche, we have been examining the situation over the past few weeks in Bosnia, and recently, U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher, Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe, have met in the United Nations to agree that the next step will be ``safe havens'' for Bosnia and for the former Yugoslavia. What is the implication of this approach for Europe and for Bosnia, and, of course, for the rest of the Balkans? MR. LAROUCHE: It is not exactly clear what the implications will be, because there are so many ways this could go. But what could be said generically about the thing, is {it's an absolute disaster.} It probably is the worst foreign policy catastrophe for the United States government in recent time, in terms of its implications, because this tends to discredit the United States as an international factor in policy shaping. I think it's impossible to exaggerate the seriousness of the situation; but I shouldn't wish to suggest hopelessness. This is going to deteriorate. This is worse than what Daladier and Chamberlain did at Munich, what the British and their friends succeeded in imposing on the United States. It is far worse, as I say, than what was conceded to Hitler by Chamberlain and Daladier. We have to see what the next development is. This is not going to stick. This is not going to lead to peace; this is going to lead to extended chaos. We will have to see how the United States government, the Clinton administration in particular, reacts to this. That is, I think, what you would have to say. And if this were to continue, if there were to be no correction on the part of the Clinton administration, I would say that the chances of Mr. Clinton's being reelected, would be zilch, on the basis of what the consequences of this would be. I don't want to foreclose happier turns in policy; but as of now, if this sticks, it's an absolute disaster. Q: There has been a lot of speculation, a lot of discussion, that various policies that have been discussed can contain the situation in Bosnia, that the Bosnian situation is containable. Is this the case, or is this a crisis that will rapidly spread thorughout Europe? MR. LAROUCHE: This is like saying that the AIDS epidemic will be contained by pretending it doesn't exist. This will spread. You are not going to stop the Balkan war. The Balkan war is going to continue to simmer and explode. So the idea that this is ``peace in our time''--that's it. This is Neville Chamberlain getting off the airplane in the airport in Britain, talking about the hope that there would be ``peace in our time.'' It's just folly. There is no peace. This is an absolute disaster. And one understands exactly: the Clinton administration's policy was to go the other way. But two sets of factors intervened to change the situation. One, tremendous pressure from the British with the {Entente Cordiale} support from France; and secondly, a campaign by the news media lying to the people in the United States, liars who told the American people that they have no interest in the Balkans. The same news media which told the American people to go over and fight in the desert for a stinking little thieving, corrupt, raping duchy there, in Kuwait, are told, ``It's not really worth doing anything about the lives, the mass murder, the genocide.'' I think that the number of Americans who took that line was exaggerated. I think that was the line of some people who hoped to see Clinton go down, among other things. If you unleash genocide, if you unleash mass rape, rape slave camps numbering tens of thousands of women; if you engage in the final solution to the Bosnian Muslim ``problem,'' and you imagine that that somehow it's going to contain itself within a few foothills in the Balkans and not extend to the rest of the world, you simply don't understand at all how the world works. But I think a significant number of Americans were duped into the delusion that it's far away, we shouldn't send any troops to get messed up in that blood feud, which is the old lie spread by our news media, which, unfortunately, usually do spread lies. Q: Looking at the situation from the standpoint of President Clinton, and his overall policy; what is his next step? How does he get himself out of this quagmire? What are the things he has to do now? MR. LAROUCHE: He has other things he can do, but he just shot himself in the foot. I don't think he did it unassisted; it was obvious he was under {tremendous} pressure. And the pressure was: Are you going to break with our European allies? They said, Put on the scale, on the one side the Bosnian Muslims, on the other, the Europeans. Europeans don't want a Muslim state in Europe; are you going to go against our European allies? Are you going to go with the Muslims against our European allies? [commercial break] - The British Foreign Intelligence Service - - is Running Operations to Destabilize European Nations - Q: Mr. LaRouche, it has been said that the French especially are involved in this entente with Britain to define this kind of policy for the Balkans because they don't want to see a Muslim state in Europe. Is this their policy, and what could be the reason for this policy? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, look, don't use categories like ``French'' as such in this case. Let's go back to, say, 1908, in which the Grand Orient Lodges of France and Italy, under the direction of the British Lodges, with the Arabists and so forth (under the direction of the British foreign intelligence service), orchestrated a coup d'etat in the Ottoman Empire, in Salonika, Turkey, around a B'nai B'rith Lodge in Salonika, which was backed and coordinated by British intelligence through the French and more immediately, through the Italian Grand Orient Lodges. This set the stage for the Balkan Wars which led to World War I, and led to a B'nai B'rith-dominated slaughter of the Armenians by the Kurds, among other things. Now what we see here is not nations making decisions, because the peoples of Europe have been very weak in expressing any notion of national interest in the recent period. The domain of national politics has been pre-empted once again by certain Freemasonic factions running out of London through channels such as the Grand Orient Lodge in France and others, and in Italy. And we are seeing the same geometry of Freemasonic manipulation--that is, using Freemasonic channels for conducting covert operations--that we saw leading into World War I. So one should not speak of French interests or French perceptions; one should speak of the controlling interest of the moment in France, which happens to be centered in these Freemasonic groups in France, which are under the control of the Freemasonic channels around the British royal family in London. That is where the problem lies. Q: More recently, we have seen a Bernard Lewis Plan, which was designed to create a belt of chaos around the former Soviet Union. Earlier on, you had the Balkan crisis, which is designed to create crisis conditions that affect both the Middle East and Europe. MR. LAROUCHE: The Bernard Lewis Plan was advertised by some as directed at the former Soviet Union; but it was not really. The Bernard Lewis Plan was much more long term. Remember, Bernard Lewis was an agent of the British Arab Bureau, which was a branch of the British foreign intelligence service with overlaps to the old MI-5 relationship within the British colonial system. And Bernard Lewis brought the plan to the United States, where a British agent--that is, a man who professed himself publicly to be an agent of British foreign intelligence, Henry Kissinger--sponsored through the Aspen Institute, brought this kind of thinking into our government. The plan which is in progress is not a superpower relations plan. It is a plan for destroying, depopulating, much of the Third World region of this planet, and for depopulating regions of the so-called South Europeans. That is, Italy, Yugoslavia, Spain, as well as the Arabs on the other side of the Mediterranean. That is the kind of racialist thinking which is in the British intelligence service's operations, and Bernard Lewis, who is now 80 or so and works out of Princeton, a man who was sponsored by Henry Kissinger, and Henry Kissinger; that is their thinking. {They are racists out to destroy the human race} as they did, for example, in Somalia. Henry Kissinger was one of the people who started that process officially, when he was Secretary of State back in 1975. Kissinger set up the war between Somalia and Ethiopia. This same crew set up the idea of overthrowing Siad Barre, the president of Somalia, in favor of the human rights or political rights or ``democratization'' of the country by these tribalist groups which were the political opposition to Barre. That destroyed Somalia and led to a genocide in Somalia. We sent in some relief forces to try to help, presumably. They are trying to do the same thing in Kenya, in Sudan. If you hear attacks on Sudan, you know that the United States and its friends are on a track toward perpetrating genocide in Kenya and in Sudan. And that is what the plan is. It has nothing to do with the former Soviet Union. The existence of the Soviet Union was a collateral factor, but the long-term policy is genocide; population policy. And it targets peoples whose skin color is a little bit darker than the rest. - Now is the Time to Remove the Insane Policy-Makers - - from Economic and Political Management - Q: What is the ultimate purpose of this population policy? Why would nations that have economic relations with these other nations see this as a solution? Of what benefit is this? MR. LAROUCHE: Let me put it to you this way. If you were a wise businessman from another galaxy and another solar system in this galaxy, and you came down in a spaceship and you looked at some of the conditions on Earth, would you invest in this planet at this time? Look at our universities. The people who are running our universities, are dangerous lunatics. Parents pay $10-18,000, whatnot, a year to send their sons or daughters to a university, what do you get? [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, you were just talking about the prospects of someone from outer space investing in the United States and the world today. MR. LAROUCHE: Well, as I said, look at the universities in the United States, a university like Stanford or the University of Pennsylvania, which are ones that are typical of once-proud universities in the United States which people respected. One would have quarrels with their policies, as I did; but nonetheless, they turned out people with a certain kind of formal competence. It was a challenge to get into them, and it was a challenge for young people to graduate. That was fine. Today, that is no longer the case. You wouldn't send a child to Stanford under the policy of not compelling students to study the contributions of ``dead white European males.'' Any university that does not teach and compel students to master the crucial works of the greatest of dead white European males, is turning out people who are totally incompetent for anything. Then go from the universities, where we see this generation of 45 and under, the yuppies. The worst of the yuppies have taken over there as university presidents and heads of departments, or as these bunch of young clowns who have taken over the Modern Language Association, the real apes, the real {1984} Orwellian monsters, worse than fascists. Then you look into the management of the corporations, and you remember the relatively competent management of industries back into the 1960s, even into the middle 70s. And you look at these clowns who are running our industries today. Look at Du Pont, run by a bootlegger [Edgar Bronfman]. It's incredible. Tasteless and disgusting and incompetent. Look at our industries, which are looted by clowns from Manhattan, people with their takeovers, these swindles, who loot pension funds. Then you look at the labor force. Our industries are being taken away. Our labor force, which used to be one of the prides of the world, is now being reduced to a bunch of coolies. We have over 30 million Americans in disastrous conditions. We have 18 million Americans who are {officially unemployed,} according to Labor Department data on employment and unemployment of the labor force in the United States. We are a disaster. We are shipping our jobs to coolies in Mexico, and they aren't cheap enough labor, so we ship the jobs to coolies who are being run into slave-labor Auschwitzes in Guangdong and other parts of mainland China, where hundreds of millions of Chinese are slated for slaughter, Auschwitz style--that is, slave-labor style--in these cheap-labor enclaves of Hainan and so forth in China. Look at this planet. You say, okay, what's capital? You find this insane derivatives business. You find that the derivatives--which is pure, speculative nonsense, with no relationship to anything useful to humanity, a {trillion-dollars-a-day} turnover, centered upon the 8 major banks that control the New York Federal Reserve system, spinning around. The U.S. Gross National Product is estimated at less than $6 trillion-a-year; yet over $300 trillion-a-year of wild paper is churning around, moving around the world, gobbling up pension funds, gobbling up savings, gobbling up industries, looting people; looting eastern Europe, looting China, looting South America--the whole business. And you say this world is existing by sustaining the worst, most insane bubble. It is destroying itself by using up the stored-up wealth in the form of healthy minds and bodies which are being destroyed; infrastructure, rails, water systems, everything being destroyed in one part of the world and the other. Would you invest in a planet that had lost the idea of productive profitable investment? Of course not. Now would you as an American--let alone some imaginary, hypothetical person from outer space--would {you} invest in this planet, under its present policies? I would think, the first thing that people have to consider, is to recognize, that those who have taken over the economic and related science of management of this planet, are insane or worse; and that we better get up off our duffs, as they say, and go back to the kinds of policies which, imperfect as they might have been, at least enable the human race to survive. And what we are seeing in Bosnia, in the toleration for this worse-than-Hitler crime which these Serbian fascists are perpetrating in Bosnia, this genocide, is a reflection of the kind of moral and philosophical incompetence which permeates our society. Don't blame Clinton entirely for this mess. He didn't create it. But look around us, and look at the institutions, and look at the news media, and look at the people sitting in front of their television sets, watching idiocy rather than thinking and taking care of business. You see that we Americans had better wake up real fast, because we are going down all the tubes into rubbish bin, unless we change our ways from what they have been during the past 25-30 years. [commercial break] - Wall Street Yuppies Must Kick the Derivatives Habit - - So That We Can Rebuild the World Economy - Q: Mr. LaRouche, not too long ago, some other people discussed a derivatives tax or a tax on financial transactions, such as Jim Wright and others. I know that you have proposed this type of tax at this point. What makes you think that this kind of proposal at this point, number one, {can} go through; and if it does, how will it start to reverse the devastating collapse of the U.S. productive sector and the world productive sector that you have just been describing? MR. LAROUCHE: I don't know exactly what the consequences will be. Nobody can tell; but I know we have to make the turn. You know, sometimes, you find yourself going toward the Arctic in the winter, and you are wearing summer clothing. You may not know, if you reverse your direction, exactly what your destination will be; but you know you better start going South. And I would say we {have to} do the derivatives tax, because we have to start going South real fast. It's getting pretty cold up there, pretty frigid, in the economic and political world. First of all, the president's tax program in its present form is not going to fly. The opposition is too strong, and somewhat rightly so. The BTU tax was a bad idea; the health package in its present proposed form will not fly. Nothing is going to fly, until we get some job-creating programs in, which the President did put a toe-in-the-water, but he was frustrated on that, and thus was thrown back into this Phil Gramm nonsense of trying to base the tax increases on the amount of budget cuts. It's an {impossible} task; it cannot be done. Even Hercules, who cleaned out the Augean stables, couldn't take care of the problem that has been thrown into Clinton's lap by that formula. So we have to find a way to turn it around. Now, two things are true. We have to destroy, in policy shaping, both in the private sector and in the public sector, the mentality behind derivatives, behind junk bonds, behind hostile takeovers of the type that that thief--well, let's not go into the names, but a famous thief did--who went to jail for these kinds of things. Looting pension funds. That's all it is. Looting all kinds of assets, looting corporations, destroying businesses, whatnot. So this derivatives market is a purely parasitical evil. It is the biggest drug habit of the Wall Street financial area. And they are going to have to kick the habit. We are not going to put them in jail, I think; we are just going to take away their dope; and their dope is derivatives. What we should do, what was proposed by Jim Wright and later by the present Treasury Secretary, was a half-percent sales tax on every derivatives transaction made. The thing to understand, is that the derivatives market is purely parasitical, and only a bunch of dumb yuppies on Wall Street and elsehwere, are really behind this. So why not tax evil--because we do have to tax something at this point--and the only thing you can tax, which is not counterproductive, which is really big, in sight, is a good chunk of this {trillion-dollar-a-day turnover} derivatives market. If you take one-tenth of one percent, if we say half of it is accessible to U.S. taxing, that is a half-trillion dollars, then you get a half-billion dollars tax per day. If you put five-tenths of a percent on there, as Jim Wright or Sen. Lloyd Bentson proposed, then you would get, of course, two-and-a-half billion dollars a day. Whatever the figures are, it's a very large amount of tax revenue, much bigger than the BTU tax, and it will help to constrain what must be constrained, this derivatives business. But by attacking this area, we say that this kind of wild yuppie speculation, is no longer sacrosanct. And we are going to tax these yuppies {long before} we start taxing real live people. Q: Mr. LaRouche, let me just fill out a scenario here, in terms of your tax. The financial world says that they need that flow of money. You put a tax on derivatives, and it dries up a whole flow of money upon which the banking sector is dependent; and the banks start going under. Give us your thoughts on this type of scenario. MR. LAROUCHE: The point is, the money is not going anywhere doing any good. We've got homeless people under bridges waiting for a shape-up on jobs in the morning. And that is increasing. We have people dying all over the country; we have people homeless who simply don't have enough to pay these high rents. There is no housing for them. We have people sick, because there is no money to pay for the health care. I have people who are unemployed, masses of them. I have 18 million Americans who are unemployed, who could work and produce more wealth. There is no money going in that direction. So wherever this money is going in derivatives, it is not going any place good. {We do not need it; it is not doing anything good for the country.} As far as the banks are concerned, the banks are essentially bankrupt; they {have been} bankrupt. They were made bankrupt by the policies of Paul Volcker back in 1979 on, with these kinds of deregulation. They went bankrupt by doing insane things. We can keep the banks in business. There are ways of doing that, without looting the nation to do it. We can have bank reorganization acts, and whatever we need to keep the banking institutions in business, in the national interest. That is not a problem; and we do not have to bleed the country to death to do it. {But these banks are not doing any good for the country.} They are not providing any credit for any investment in industry. They are not providing any credit for investment in things that people can afford to buy. They are not investing in job creation; and we need the money flowing into job creation and into productive investment. We {desperately} need that. We have a lot of sick and hungry people around this country, getting poorer every day. We have people who are being robbed of their pensions by these swindlers. And these fellows are talking about, ``We've gotta save the derivatives market, we've gotta save the financial system,'' we just have to say to them, ``Well, what {good} is the thing for us?'' You've got a cross between an automobile and a boat that won't go down the highway, and it can't float. And someone says, ``You've gotta save it.'' You say, ``what for?'' Let's put our effort into saving things and building up things that are doing some good for the world and for the nation. And if this thing were to collapse because of a tax, so what? It's not doing anybody any good. It's only making a bunch of parasitical yuppies drunk with financial power every day. But it is ruining the nation. It is taking all the money that {ought} to be going into investment in useful things, and spinning it off into outer space in this crazy derivatives market. This is the worst bubble in history. It is worse than the John Law Bubble, or the South Sea Islands Bubble. And we have to stop it, before it stops us. - U.S. Black-Box Research in the SDI and Cold Fusion - Q: Let's move on to another area. Not too long ago, Russian President Boris Yeltsin made an offer to the United States to jointly develop a ballistic missile defense system, a specific project. Not too long after that, Secretary of Defense Les Aspin announced the closing of the Strategic Defense Initiative Office (SDIO). What is the status of the Strategic Defense Initiative at this point? Is it still important for the United States and for the world, and in what way can this concept be expanded, perhaps, in the directions that you had discussed not too long ago? [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, the SDI: Is it a dead issue? Is it something that we should revive? MR. LAROUCHE: It is not dead, by any means. What was announced recently, by Defense Secretary Les Aspin, which the news media presented as proof that the system was dead, particularly CNN, which led in that kind of hoax, was that the name of the SDI Office, or the SDI function at the Pentagon, had been {changed,} and that henceforth, the system would concentrate on what is called ``theater tactical-strategic ballistic missile defense,'' and things of that sort. It really is the same thing. They were just arranging money at the time, but you'll find in black boxes in secret places, the SDI is very much alive; and you will find that out very simply. Remember the case of cold fusion. The 1989 report by two of the world's leading physical chemists, leading electrochemists, Professor Martin Fleischmann and his associate, Professor Stanley Pons, of having achieved cold fusion was greeted initially with enthusiasm; then a tremendous attempt to libel the professors and to call the experiment a hoax was unleashed. The fact is, today, we know that the proof is in the pudding; [cold fusion] is fully proven. And the people who attacked it, who derided it, including {Nature} magazine, {Science,} and so forth, these people are fakers. We know that. But then we find corporations like General Electric doing fake studies to assist in trying to discredit this experiment, even though it is now proven, around the world. We find the U.S. Defense Department and Energy Department being turned against it. And you say, ``Wait a minute! If this is not fake, and these guys are saying it's fake, why are they doing that?'' Well, that's because the cold fusion or better called ``solid-state fusion,'' experiments touch upon an area which is directly related to the most sophisticated type of potential weapons systems. And if this thing had not been suppressed the way they did, in their view, then Third World countries, who could have the means to get in on in this kind of experiment, would get in on this technology. And they say we're not going to have it. Secondly, they are trying to keep their secret research under wraps; and the physical principles involved in solid-state fusion, bear upon some very relevant military potential. And you will find that it's off in that direction. Now look on the other side, the Russian side. The Russian military-industrial complex, which is the part of the Russian economy which is still functioning, contains the most advanced and most skillful assembly of scientific potential anywhere on this planet, vastly greater than that of the United States. And since the take-down of the aerospace industry in Germany, and its cutback in France and its virtual shutdown in Britain, excepting Japan, the scientific and military potential of Russia and, in a certain sense, also Ukraine, which has a very significant capability of this type, under the Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences, is greater than the United States and its immediate allies combined. And what the Russians exposed in that April 2, 1993 offer, is what I said they were doing years ago. I said this in 1983. We published it again in 1985. I said the Russians are doing it. They had at Krasnoyarsk, not a phased-array radar system, but they have a phased-array microwave capability; and a phased-array microwave capability can create a kind of contained ball-lightning style electronic storm in the upper atmosphere, which can destroy missiles. And this is what they came up with. They also came up with this powerful optical laser ideas, which is what you have to do to steer this big ball-lightning thing, with millions of volts per centimeter. It's tens of millions of volts per centimeter. This is a very powerful weapon. And that area of plasmoid research is a very important advanced field. For example. The problem with the Russian or the Soviet economy, in former times, was that they could not get scientific research out of the laboratories and out of the military sector into general civilian applications, and that had to do not with the military sector; it had to do with the political and sociological and other problems inside the civilian sector generally. But that capability is there. And now, since we are destroying the economy and scientific capabilities of Western Europe and the United States and trying to destroy Japan's as well, we are becoming weaker and weaker and weaker. So although Russia is becoming much weaker, as a result of what's happened recently--since 1989 and earlier--we also are becoming weaker at a much more rapid rate. But I assure you, the fact that the lid was put on cold fusion in that way, is absolute scientific proof that behind the walls, in the secret laboratories, the kind of work I suspect to be going on, {is} going on; and all this public talk about SDI is simply just that. It is simply a political adjustment at this time of budget and other considerations. - ``If I am In the Picture, We Can Turn this Around'' - Q: If there is a secret U.S. development of the SDI going on, why is that approach, which does not involve the joint development of the project with Russia, a dangerous thing, and why should we have scientists working on a joint development? What is the benefit of the joint development versus this other approach? MR. LAROUCHE: We are not talking about sane people, so don't try to find a sane explanation. We are talking about something very insane. For example. You still have, running around on this planet, the old British geopolitical thinking. The determination of this bunch of geopoliticians, no matter what they say from time to time, is persistent. They unleashed the Serbian fascists, who are British intelligence assets, to commit this genocide in the Balkans. And don't believe them when they say that they believe that this will bring about a settlement or a containment. It won't. And they know it; they are lying. {They wish this kind of problem to spread throughout Europe,} to weaken France, but to destroy Germany, to destroy eastern Europe, and to destroy the former Soviet Union. These guys may be saying that they are trying to be friends with Moscow, but they are not. In the long run, the geopoliticians aim at the destruction of northern Eurasia and the disruption of the rest of Eurasia. What you saw in the Halford Mackinder maps and similar kinds of geopoliticians' maps from years ago, from the beginning of this century, {is still the dominant strategic thinking of an Anglo-American circle} which is the circle of people behind Henry Kissinger, the people who own Henry Kissinger, for example. That is their thinking. They are determined to destroy Russia if possible. Not because they expect Russia to do something, but because they want to eliminate it; they always have wanted to break it up and destroy it, throughout this century. That is why these capitalists backed the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917-1918. And it was the Anglo-Americans, together with the friends of Parvus (Alexander Helphand), who was part of that circle around the Freemasonic B'nai B'rith in Salonika, who was involved in this. But they are afraid, in the meantime. The Russians still have submarines, the Ukrainians have what they have; they are afraid that the breaking up of Russia, what's being done in the [Jeffrey] Sachs sex therapy or whatever they do to Russia these days, will cause the Russians to be angry, and a faction will come to power in Moscow (or St. Petersburg) which is very angry, and which will make use of these powers to hit back against the United States, and will attempt to pressure Europe into conformity with a Russian-dominated world perspective. They are deadly afraid. They see, coming down the line, a potential of a future world war; and they are building up potential, in case of a future world war. And they know that they, in a sense, are working to cause such a war; because we could have a policy toward Moscow today, which would avoid war, avoid that scenario. But they are determined to keep on with that scenario; and they know that their scenario leads toward war. And they are preparing for that war. Not for tomorrow, not for the day after tomorrow; but down the road. And that is what the secret research is all about. Q: Even on those terms, is this a war-avoidance policy on those terms? It doesn't seem to me that it is. MR. LAROUCHE: No, of course not. I said, don't look for sanity. For example. The people who are running derivatives. Here is a disease--it is a cancer, actually analogous, precisely analogous to what a cancer is on the human body. A deadly cancer. It has a three months approximately regeneration cycle. It functions on the short term of two days. People who invest in this, are investing on hours, days, adjustments. They call it risk adjustment, risk management. It's absolutely insane. Anybody with any intelligence in business or in government, would recognize that this is the worst {crime} going on in the United States. All the other crime in the United States put together, {is not half as bad} as allowing this derivatives bubble to continue another day. What kind of people allow this to go on, allow our nation to be destroyed for the sake of this kind of bubble? That is insanity. What kind of people would pressure our President to capitulate to a {lunatic} French-British alliance in the extermination, the final solution to the Bosnian Muslim ``problem''? Who would allow that to happen again? What kind of people are these? {Don't look for sane, rational explanations for their behavior.} They are like a lunatic. He may be crazy, but that is his behavior. Q: Mr. LaRouche, you were involved in some of the discussions with the Soviets. We have about 30 seconds left. Is there anything that you can recommend at this point, in terms of this SDI policy for the Clinton administration? MR. LAROUCHE: No. The point is, only if I am in the picture, can we turn this around. Remember, the Russians know that I was put in prison because Gorbachov demanded a show of good faith from the Reagan-Bush administration, and Bush {enthusiastically,} along with Henry Kissinger, accepted the proposal of putting me in prison, in order to show good faith with a Gorbachov who knew that my design of SDI had led to, because of the Russians' refusal to behave themselves, the collapse of the Soviet system. They wanted me out of the way. They thought they could still save the Soviet system if I were out of the way. MEL KLENETSKY: We will have to come back to this another time. Mr. LaRouche, thank you very much for your time. We will be back next week with ``{EIR'}s Talks With LaRouche.'' If you have any questions for Mr. LaRouche, and ``{EIR'}s Talks With LaRouche,'' please write ``{EIR} Talks With LaRouche,'' P.O. Box 17390, Washington, D.C., 20041-0390. - 30 - ---- John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com
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