From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!cyber1.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ccs!covici Mon Jun 7 06:21:04 PDT 1993 Article: 22136 of alt.activism Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!cyber1.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ccs!covici From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: alt.activism Subject: EIR Talks to Lyndon LaRouche 06/02/93 Message-ID: <340-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> Date: 7 Jun 93 9:55:12 GMT Organization: Covici Computer Systems Lines: 663 - ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE ATTENTION FREE LAROUCHE - The wider LaRouche's presence, the greater the pressure to get him free. Put LaRouche on radio, with a new interview each week. The transcript below is from a weekly hour-long interview formatted with news breaks and commercials. To get LaRouche on radio, calls from people within stations' listening area can be most effective. Program director and general managers are usually the ones to make decisions about programming. Get interested contacts with businesses or products to advertise on the stations during the EIR Talks With LaRouche hour. This provides greater incentive for the stations to carry the program. Any radio station on the planet can air the weekly interviews with LaRouche. The EIR Press Staff can provide weekly tapes for broadcast. Or stations can pull the program down from satellite, using the coordinates below. The interviews are broadcast Sundays on satellite from 6:06 PM to 7:00 PM Eastern. For More Information: Frank Bell, Press Staff. Galaxy 2, 74 Degrees W Trans 3 74.9 mHz NB, SCPC 3:1 Companding, Flat or Satcom C-1, 137 Degrees W Trans 2 7.5 mHz Wide Band Video Subcarrier June 2, 1993 ``{EIR'}s Talks With Lyndon LaRouche'' Interviewer: Mel Klenetsky MEL KLENETSKY: Welcome to ``{Executive Intelligence Review'}s Talks With Lyndon LaRouche.'' I'm Mel Klenetsky. We're on the line with Mr. LaRouche from Rochester, Minnesota. - Today's Political Terrorists: the Freemasons - Mr. LaRouche, there has been a great deal of political terrorism taking place around the world. We saw the bombing of the Uffizi Gallery, the Solingen incident in Germany, the terrorist attack and assassination of Cardinal Posadas Ocampo in Guadalajara, Mexico. Do you attribute to these incidents any kind of coordinated activity? MR. LAROUCHE: Absolutely. One should look back to the early to middle nineteenth century, say, from the period of the 1840s into the assassination of U.S. President McKinley by an assassin imported from Europe. These are methods which we associate with Giuseppe Mazzini's Young Europe and his branch, which was part of the U.S. Confederacy, called Young America. This is exactly what has happened before. In Italy, for example, some sources have quite efficiently, I would say, attributed some of this to P2, or to Freemasonic lodges. If you look back into the late nineteenth century and similar things, you will find, for example, the Young Turk rebellion in Turkey, which was run by a Freemasonic Lodge, which was connected to funny things going on in Russia at the time, which gave us Bolshevism, which was connected to Volpi di Misurata, who was behind Mussolini; you find phenomena such as the fact that the Young Turks' magazine editor was Vladimir Jabotinsky, later a close friend of Mussolini, a fascist who founded the leading fascist current in Israel today. So these are Freemasonic methods of that type, Grand Orient Lodge in France, Grand Orient Lodge in Italy; similar groups in the United States and outside it, all connected of course to the tradition of Lord Palmerston in connection with the united Grand Lodge in London. That is the place where this goes. If one knows the history of the nineteenth century and the early twentieth, there is no doubt in anyone's mind of exactly what's going on. Q: Well, Lord Palmerston was the Prime Minister of England in the 1860s. Are you saying that England and other foreign powers are behind this terrorism today? MR. LAROUCHE: In a sense, yes; but I don't think that is the way to understand it. The typical American likes to blame government for everything. For example, if anything goes wrong, they say, ``Well, we've got bad government in Washington.'' People don't realize that it's {their} government as well as anybody else's, and what's happening therefore is that if the government is malfunctioning, then somebody must have taken over a role of influence in either all or part of his or her government, and they don't look for those influences, and if they do, somebody comes along to them and frightens them with a scare word called ``conspiracy theory.'' Look at the facts of the matter. It's not just the 1860s. Lord Palmerston, as Prime Minister, personally, in addition to orchestrating the China Opium Wars, personally put the President of France, later Napoleon III, into power in France; and Queen Victoria was so shocked by this overt action of a British Prime Minister meddling in French politics, that she downgraded him from Prime Minister to foreign minister, from which post he continued to do the same thing. Palmerston was the controller of Mazzini. Palmerston was the fellow who, through a fellow called David Urquhart, controlled almost every thought of Karl Marx; that sort of thing. Particularly in the period of Napoleon III on, the French imperial faction of the Napoleon III tradition, was the Grand Orient Lodge of France. Grand Orient of Italy, which was very close to Mazzinians, was a branch of British intelligence. B'nai B'rith in Europe and in the United States, was a branch really at the top levels of British intelligence, of Palmerston. The assassination of Lincoln came from the circles of Lord Palmerston using in part B'nai B'rith and the old Confederate intelligence apparatus to do it. That's the kind of thing we're looking at. I know these fellows, these Palmerston-tradition Freemasons; and their objective, as in the case of Posadas Ocampo, the Cardinal in Guadalajara, Mexico is to eliminate the Vatican before the end of the century. They say so rather loudly; and they do it. They are moving in that direction. These are the fellows in the West who were behind the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II. No one wants to say it, because that's attacking Freemasons; and attacking elements of our British ally is not popular in certain circles in the United States; but that is the plain, unvarnished truth. The problem in this case, as I know from Italy, from key people in Italy: they {know} this is that faction of the Freemasons in Italy; and they {say} so. But someone says, ``No, you can't say Freemason; you've got to look someplace else.'' Why not look at the perpetrator? Why do you have to invent a perpetrator, when you know who did the job? [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, if behind World War I there were some policies that lay behind this spate of terrorist activities leading into the war, are there policies behind the spate of terrorism that we are seeing in terms of today? MR. LAROUCHE: Exactly the same thing. For example, if you want to understand modern history--and I'm speaking about {recent} modern history, not modern history in its full sweep from the middle of the fifteenth century--the place to start is in the 1850s and 1860s, especially in the United States. Lord Palmerston and his friends deployed an effort to destroy the United States. He didn't start it, but he deployed the assets which Britain had built up for the purpose of destroying it. The purpose of the Palmerston operation, as the letters of a British agent and U.S. traitor August Belmont admit, and of which August Belmont was an agent, among others, was to split the United States into about four parts, beginning with the split off of the so-called Confederacy. The Confederacy was not a ``Southern rebellion''; it was a British intelligence-directed, Palmerston-directed Freemasonic operation topdown, using Freemasons from New York City and Boston and so forth, not just people from the southern region. Albert Pike, for example, was a traitor, a satanist, and so forth, who came from the Boston area, and rose to be head of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Freemasonry, in about 1859, and continued as leader of Freemasonry into 1890. So when the United States won the Civil War and suppressed the treasonous faction around Pike and Jefferson Davis and Judah Benjamin, the British, using Judah Benjamin's apparatus, assassinated Lincoln. And from that point on, everything that was done, was an attempt to recapture the United States, using the Confederate Freemasonic faction to gradually take over the United States, which they did to a large degree, and also to prevent the influence of the American ideas, as exemplified by President Abraham Lincoln, from continuing to spread in Germany, in the Russia of Alexander II, who was an ally of Lincoln, in France and so forth. The British feared that if these ideas of Alexander II and later Count Sergei Witte of Russia for cooperation among Berlin, Paris, and St. Petersburg were to go forward; if railroads were to be built East-West from Brest in France to Vladivostok at the other end of Asia, that the economic development spearheaded by German growth throughout Eurasia, would mean that the power of the British empire would be broken forever because of the economic power developing in Eurasia. And therefore all politics to this date, has been based on what has been called since the end of the nineteenth century geopolitics; and geopolitics is the principle of keeping wars and other conflicts going in the Eurasian continent, to the purpose of ensuring that no economic development within Eurasia, from France and Spain to China, will {ever} become powerful enough and unified enough, to threaten the continued form of an Anglo-American version of a British Empire based on the countries surrounding Eurasia. So that is the essential politics of the period. That is how we got into World War I. The British got certain elements in France, the Napoleon III tradition in France, to ally with them against Germany, and to manipulate Russia. Palmerston was out of the way then, but his crew organized the Young Turk rebellion in Turkey. It was the B'nai B'rith Lodge directed by these people, these Freemasons, which used the Kurds to set off the massacre of the Armenians. The same Young Turk operation inside Turkey and in part in Greece, was key to bringing Mussolini to power later, but it was immediately key to launching the Balkan wars that actually set World War I into motion. The situation in World War II was a little more complicated. Hitler was put into power by certain Anglo-American forces, including George Bush's father, Prescott Bush, who wanted Hitler in there in order to eliminate the von Schleicher government; but the same essential ultimate principles were at work; the purpose of the Anglo-American faction, the Freemasonic faction at that time, was to put Hitler into power and to ensure a ruinous war between Germany and Russia, another balance of power move on the continent. So if we look at today, at the way the British, with the support of George Bush and Gorbachov unleashed in 1991 the Serbian fascist faction to take over Serbia and to launch bloody horrors against the other former groups within Yugoslavia, you see the same geopoolitical motive. In fact, when we talk to top-level people in Britain, they will say frankly, ``Yes, of course you're right. We did it for geopolitical reasons.'' So if you use the word ``geopolitics'' and understand it as a British Palmerston faction reaction to the fear of the spread of the ideas of the American System as typified by Abraham Lincoln, whom they murdered, then you understand how the watershed of modern history has been shaped continuously by the British effort to eliminate the ideas of the American Revolution from this planet. [commercial break] - {EIR} Warned of Destabilization of Italy, Europe - Q: Mr. LaRouche, while the assassination of Cardinal Posadas Ocampo and the bombing of the Uffizi Gallery can be seen in terms of an attack on the Vatican, the Uffizi Gallery bombing can also be seen in terms of the destabilization of Italy. What are the purposes behind that policy? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, if one were an Italian living in Italy today, he or she would have seen the reports on this from {Executive Intelligence Review} cited as an authority throughout much of the leading daily press of Italy, as well as in weekly magazines and in some of the influential news services which operate their offices out of Rome itself. Especially referenced, of course, in connection with our reporting, is our report on the meeting on the British royal family's yacht Britannia, where these plots were made to destroy Italy. This report that we issued, became a subject of open discussion in the Italian Parliament, during which elements of our outlining of this meeting and its policies were confirmed in Italy. Parallel to our own work similar reports are raging throughout the Italian press, often coming from leading figures of the Italian public life. It is understood throughout Italy, that Italy is facing destruction steered by those forces which are represented on that (British royal family) Britannia yacht meeting. The personnel and so forth are known and whatnot, and that the destruction of Italy, through scandals and terrorism and what was called in the old days strategy of tension, is what is in progress. So all the leading political class of Italy, some of it on the wrong side and some of it on the patriotic side, understands what this is. They also understand, from inside Italy, looking at Germany, at France, at Spain, and so forth, that {all} of continental Europe is being destabilized. Scandals are being used to destabilize the government of Germany, which could fall into an Italian-like situation soon. The present French government is set up to face crises. The Italian government is disintegrating rapidly. The major government in England will probably disintegrate also pretty soon, as a part of a general policy change occurring from that quarter; and so forth and so on. What is understood, is that the general process of global deconstruction of governments and other major institutions of government, extending into the United States, is in progress, and that these heirs of Palmerston, so to speak, to give it a simple focus; these deconstructionists, these modern neo-Nietzscheans, these post-moderns, are destroying institutions from within, partly because they react to a situation as a mad dog would, not because they understand what they are doing. But the people who have unleashed and encouraged these mad dogs, do know what they are doing. This is the deconstructionism of figures in France, for example, such as Jacques Derrida, whose influence is very great among the post-modernists, who are this young new layer taking over and destroying everything in their sight like a locust plague around the world these days. - Cult Awareness Network Operation Destabilized - Q: I want to move on at this point to the issue of Galen Kelly. He is associated with the Cult Awareness Network and the Anti-Defamation League, which is one of these groups that is affiliated with the Freemasonic orders. He was recently convicted of kidnapping in Alexandria, Va., and this has certain implications in terms of your situation, because he and his associates were involved in one way or another, with targeting your group. Can you begin discussing what the implications are, although we're going to run out of time and come back to it in the next segment. MR. LAROUCHE: Yes. We can just indicate that the conviction of Kelly occurred, despite the efforts of his friends inside government to fix the case, to get him off on the charge of which he was convicted. Kelly was convicted on one Federal charge of kidnapping; and according to the word from the courtroom and from what I know from other sources, there are other charges awaiting him. He is now looking at approximately 100 months in prison, and with the other charges coming in, he could be spending a very, very long time, most of the remainder of his life in prison. That is the potentiality, and not the certainty. But this destabilizes the entire private sector, including the Anti-Defamation League, which is already under legal attack for its spying operations, destabilizes the entire private part of the apparatus which was deployed to try to bust up our political movement. [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, we have been discussing Galen Kelly. Of course, Galen Kelly was involved in the attempted kidnapping of Lewis du Pont Smith. He was let off in that case, despite 30 hours of tapes, and he has been involved, in one way or another, with the ``Get LaRouche'' operation. What are the implications of the fact that he has been found guilty and has been convicted of another kidnapping case? MR. LAROUCHE: I have seen the paperwork which shows that this felon, Galen Kelly, who has admitted on the stand to 30 to 40 abductions, which are in fact kidnapping, in the recent period, has been paid substantial amounts regularly through the national Cult Awareness Network, and also {personally} in recent time through Cynthia Kisser, who is the leader of the Cult Awareness Network. Galen Kelly was connected to the same people who created the Jewish Defense League, that is, the terrorist organization which used to be associated with the name of Mordecai Levy and Herb Brin and people like that on the West Coast. Kelly was also close to JINSA. He uses Lubavitcher thugs as his preferred assistants in taking and holding his kidnap victims. He has made at least three to four attempts to organize a successful kidnapping of Lewis du Pont Smith as part of this operation. He has admitted, and his accomplices have admitted, that he was personally involved in brainwashing persons who were then used after their brainwashing, with the knowledge of the Federal government, as false witnesses, as perjured witnesses, against me and my friends in sundry legal proceedings. And that is all, of course, on the public Federal record, and proven using government documents, and using, of course, statements by the perpetrators who work with the government. What this does, is to threaten to bring down, obviously, the Cult Awareness Network. It adds to the troubles of the Anti-Defamation League, which is a close collaborator. For example, Mark Rasch, one of the former prosecutors against us who lost in Boston, but also a prosecutor in Virginia, is implicated in this operation. Mira Lansky Boland of the ADL is implicated, and a close associate of Kelly in this operation. The sheriff's department in Loudoun County is closely implicated in this operation. So when Galen Kelly was convicted of a felony, albeit in a case not directly related to us, but using the same personnel who operated against us, that conviction establishes all his accomplices in that act as being a felonious crew, also subject to all kinds of appropriate legal proceedings. More significantly, the fact that from any layman's standpoint, one section of the government using an IRS agent who had been deployed against us, attempted to fix the witness to get Kelly off four days before the trial began, shows a very serious problem of corruption inside the prosecutorial agencies of government, and that thing is not going to sit still forever. It's exposed. So it's a very interesting situation, which will take many perpetrators, such as the Anti-Defamation League and the Cult Awareness Network and other people who have been accomplices of Kelly in his now judged criminal activities, and put them in a very bad situation--which is all to the good. Q: On this Galen Kelly situation: the earlier trial in Alexandria, Va., that involved the attempted kidnapping of Lewis du Pont Smith is the subject of a book called {Travesty,} and in that book, it describes 30 hours of tapes that a former sheriff or deputy assistant in Loudoun County had made under cover, which outlined the whole process of laying out an attempted kidnapping. How in the world did Galen Kelly and the others get off? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, it was fixed, and we were aware of how it was fixed. You should have seen the {voir dire} of the jury panel in that trial, and you should hear the instruction which was made by the judge during the time the jury had already been sitting, an instruction which virtually instructed the jury to let them off, contrary to all precedent in conspiracy law, from the standpoint of information of legal experts. The judge said that unless they could prove that Kelly et al. had agreed upon a very precise, detailed plan of action--not agreement to kidnap, which they'd agreed to--but a detailed plan of action for an actual kidnapping, that they would have to exonerate them, which the jury did, under the judge's instructions. So that error by the judge, since of course under due process, under the double jeopardy rule, we can't try them again, even though the judge made an error, stands. But there was tremendous pressure, particularly to save Newbold Smith, who is very close to the Bronfmans and to the Philadelphia Freemasons as well as the Society of Friends up there; to save him, even if it meant letting the rest of these perpetrators off. Then what happened, of course, is that the government went after the other perpetrators, not Newbold Smith but the others. And they got Kelly on a charge which is not directly related to us but used the same apparatus that he had used in his operations against us, or part of it. So that apparatus is now caught, and of course the whole original case is now going to be seen in that light. By the way, it was 60 hours of consensual tape {totally,} if you include the FBI telephone buggings, which were going on as well as the undercover tapings done in cooperation with the FBI and the prosecutors by this undercover former deputy sheriff. - Why President Clinton Must Reverse - - His Current Foreign Policy Track - Q: As we are talking, the situation in Serbia seems to be getting worse and worse. There is fear at this point, that Kosova and Macedonia will be involved in the conflict. Is this ``safe havens'' policy that Bill Clinton has signed on to, going to work? Or what can Bill Clinton do? MR. LAROUCHE: In terms of this policy? Nothing. Clinton plain backed down to Anglo-French pressure, the so-called {Entente Cordiale} pressure. It was just a plain backdown. He capitulated. The agreement is worthless; it means massacres, it means bloodshed. It means that the United States and its European allies have wiped the Bosnian Muslims off the face of the planet, and have pretty much condemned many Croats, many Kosovans, potentially Macedonians and others to a similar genocide. This is genocide, this is holocaust. This is war crimes; these are crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Serbian government. {This is not a civil war.} [commercial break] Q: Mr. LaRouche, we have been discussing the Serbian situation. Before we come back to this point, later on we're going to start to talk about David Gergen coming in to the Clinton administration. But Serbia: what can be done, what can Clinton do to reverse what you have described as total genocide in a situation which could easily spread throughout Europe? MR. LAROUCHE: Well, the United States could say that there is no question but that the embargo against the Bosnians has to be lifted, while the embargo against the Serbian fascist forces of this ultra-right wing bunch of genocidal lunatics should be strictly enforced. What has happened, is that the Serbian factor, to call it that, has made a mockery of the so-called ``safe havens,'' by butchering people in these ``safe havens.'' Meanwhile, the United Nations and other forces have refused and failed to provide any of the promised protection to the ``safe havens.'' So the whole thing to which President Clinton agreed, is a botch job, it never worked, it's a dead letter. The agreement no longer exists; in fact, it never really did exist, as events have shown. The slaughter goes on. At this point, President Clinton can revert to saying, ``Well I was right. We bent over backwards to our allies to come to an agreement. They failed; they refused to act, and we cannot allow a spreading Balkan war, which {is not a civil war} but a war entirely the responsibility, in terms of {initiating an aggressive war,} was initiated by the Serbian fascist faction. And, of course, with the backing of the British, the Bush, and the Gorbachov governments. That is a little embarrassing point; but I don't think Clinton has too much problem with attacking Bush for his crimes. The problem for Clinton is not just that. The problem is, that everything in Clinton's program is disintegrating, because he has backed down on the crucial issues of domestic program. I am not referring to the health program, which is a no-fly anyway, that cannot work, for reasons which I think have now become apparent to the Clinton administration. But on backing down on the question of getting jobs started, backing down on the economic package, where he should have gone after that idiot, Sen. Gramm, for absolute idiocy. I mean Gramm, there he is: the biggest failure in the history of the Senate. Look at Gramm-Rudman! The biggest failure in the 1980s. Clinton doesn't have to bow down to that guy; Gramm's a fool, a babbling fool, who has little household remedies for all kinds of important scientific programs--that guy's a huckster. In some places, he'd be put in jail for that kind of swindle. But Clinton backed down on it. Clinton has got to get his act together. His problem is, that he has to recognize--as I'm sure he does privately--that there is a depression in progress; there is no recovery in progress. The United States is never going to have a recovery, not with its present program. We're going deeper and deeper into the ditch. Clinton's foreign policy was left to him, essentially, by the Bush administration. It's an utter failure. He's got to reverse track on this. If he doesn't reverse track, his administration will just disintegrate. Not all at once, but just the erosion, the kind of process that happened to Carter, only faster and worse. - President Clinton Must Stick To His Political Positions - Q: As President Clinton got into difficulty, one of his changes was to bring in David Gergen, who is a former member of the Nixon administration and a Republican, and he's been telling Clinton that he has to go back to the Democratic Leadership Council agenda. Is this going to solve Bill Clinton's problems? MR. LAROUCHE: It's not going to solve his problem, but it's a move. And I think, before saying whether it's going to work or not, or whether it's just another failure, you have to look at it as a move. What is Clinton doing? Gergen's coming in is the Democratic Leadership Council profile. The Democratic Leadership Council was supposed to be kind of a southern strategy operation on the Democratic Party side, to recapture the formerly Democratic South for the Democratic Party, whereas, since the time of Wallace and to some degree Goldwater, the Democratic South had been captured by the Republicans, who called it their ``Southern strategy.'' The Democratic Leadership Council's approach was to establish a kind of middle-of-the-road coalition among certain Republicans and Democrats, with a policy to match. So Gergen's coming in, is not inconsistent with some of that policy. That can go many ways. For example, you have the Reagan Republicans out of there, many of whom were former Democrats, but who supported Reagan against Carter, because they thought Anybody But Carter, that's ABC, that was the feeling back in 1980, 1981. And they went to Reagan. The Reagan Republicans, including these former Democrats, hated Bush, because Bush did everything possible to immiserate these Reagan Republicans. The way he treated Reagan, was unconscionable. Of course Reagan disliked him, and Bush always knew that Reagan despised him. So that was a Bush reaction. So Clinton has the potential of cooperation from some Reagan Republicans and Reagan's Democratic admirers to take a position somewhere in the political spectrum which would strengthen it, and that could be done, and Gergen could be a sign of moving in that direction. But that is not going to work by itself, because the problem that Clinton has, is that he has to have the right program, and he has to stick to it. He had essentially the right program on Bosnia, on the former Yugoslavia, and he dumped it. He had the right program, although a foot-in-the-door program, on this economic stimulus package, and he backed down. He fought a little bit, but he didn't really fight. He backed down. And that is why he looks so bad. It's because where he has good programs or sound programs, he backs down. And people are just disgusted. People who crank themselves up to support him, feel let down and betrayed, when he just dumps the ball and runs off the field to practice something with the opposite team. That's his problem. One is to have the right program, and the other is to take a political position and stick to it. - Why the Derivatives Tax Can Work - Q: Senator Boren has been putting a certain amount of pressure on Clinton's budget proposal, because of the BTU tax, the tax on energy; and certainly the tax on energy has a lot of people in energy-rich states such as Oklahoma, where Boren comes from, oil states, and farmers around the country, up in arms. What would you propose to do, instead of this BTU tax or this type of tax proposal? MR. LAROUCHE: Remember the Carter program on energy, with old James R. Schlesinger in there as energy director. Remember what Carter tried to do. It was a failure. Fortunately, it wasn't carried out fully; it was a failure--a terrible failure. I'm afraid that President Clinton has not done his homework on economics. He seems to have a very shallow conception of economics, and doesn't understand the sensitivity of the economy to energy availability and prices. For example, agriculture is almost entirely energy sensitive. It's more sensitive to energy, than it is to small degree of price fluctuations. Every industry in the country is sensitive to energy supplies. If you raise the price of energy, putting a tax on it which can have multiple effects, you'll sink the whole economy worse than it's already sunk. So the BTU tax was a bad idea from the onset; and people who attack it, may not be attacking it because they're part of the oil states, or something like that, though they're probably more sensitive to it. But people are attacking it because it's bad for all kinds of people. It's bad for business, it's bad for agriculture, it's bad for the economy generally. It was a desperation move by the White House to come up with {something} to match the pressure it was getting from Ross Perot's campaigning. It was a very bad idea. What they should do at this point--they're not going to get the BTU tax in the form it was proposed, it seems pretty apparent at this point, Clinton's compromised that away, too. He compromises away some bad policies as well as good ones. They're going to have to tax the derivatives market. This is going to be, not a long-term perspective, but it's going to be, what, $80, $90, $100 billion a year which would be quite helpful, more than the BTU tax would bring in, in terms of the tax situation; and it won't tax anything useful. It's a sin tax. And he should do that. He should simply let this thing go, and say, ``Well, you passed a bill, but it's not going to balance the budget.'' Turn their own medicine against them, and come up with a sin tax, the derivatives tax, and say we're going for up to $100 billion a year more out of taxing these outlaw derivatives, which, by one view of the law, are illegal anyway. And get them out of the business, and bring this whole business of derivatives under control for regulation purposes, or perhaps elimination purposes. But in the meantime, we're going to tax a great deal of money out of it. But if he would do that, he'd get himself into a big fight with the major banks and the New York Federal Reserve District and others; but nonetheless, he would take a position behind which a lot of people in the United States could very easily rally; and he could win that fight, even over opposition. But he will have to take the position, that he's got to win a standing, knock-down barroom type political brawl against tough opposition on {something} if he's going to establish the authority of his Presidency. Q: We have 30 seconds left. What do you think about Ross Perot, and what he's been doing in terms of his campaigning? MR. LAROUCHE: Ross Perot is a serious phenomenon, but I can't take his Federal Reserve and budget balancing policies at all seriously, except to look at them in a totally negative way. Ross Perot has done great damage to the United States, by repeating the kind of nonsense which one would expect from the mouth of that utter incompetent, Senator Phil Gramm. MEL KLENETSKY: Thank you very much, Mr. LaRouche. We'll be back next week with ``{EIR'}s Talks With LaRouche.'' If you have questions for Mr. LaRouche, you can write to ``{EIR'}s Talks With LaRouche,'' P.O. Box 17390, Washington, D.C., 20041-0390. - 30 - ---- John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com
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