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The LaRouche organization and Liberty Lobby had a longstanding relationship,
a fact attested to by former staff members in both groups. This relationship
first surfaced publicly in lawsuits involving Liberty Lobby. The relationship
primarily consisted of regular background briefings and information swap
sessions between members of LaRouche's intelligenc staff and researchers
for Liberty Lobby and its  newspaper.

In the mid 1980's this informal information-swapping arrangement was
expanded to include private investigators and researchers for the Christic
Institute. It was through this secret mechanism that unfounded conspiracy
theories were woven into the Christic case. Former Christic plaintiff
Tony Avirgan argues that it was these conspiracy theories that allowed the
judge an excuse to throw the Chistic case out of court (although the move
was iclearly unfair).

I base these coments on interviews with former staffers at Liberty Lobby
and the LaRouche organization, court records and depositions and affidavits,
and material in Dennis King's excellent "Lyndon LaRouche and the New American
Fascism." I also discuss these matters in my study "Right Woos Left" which
is available from Political Research Associates, 678 Mass. Ave., #205, 
Cambridge, MA 02139 ($6.50 includes postage). This 40,000 word study is
posted on Peacenet in the  conference, and has been circulated
on USENET in several Newsgroups.
-Chip Berlet

(P.S. having been sued by LaRouche several times, I assure you I have my facts
straight. He lost all the cases....



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Chip Berlet states that the LaRouche organization and the Liberty
Lobby engaged in regular information swaps and briefings. I have
no reason to doubt the accuracy of this claim. I would like to point
out, however, that LaRouche's group functions  as (among other things)
a private intelligence organization, and as intelligence organizations
are wont to do exchanges information with a wide variety of contacts
from all regions of the political landscape. To infer from such contacts
any general convergence of policy viewpoints would be in my opinion
just plain silly.

-Steve


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Steve dismisses any general convergence of policy viewpoints
between Liberty Lobby and the LaRouche group by dragging a red
herring across the trail. There is ample evidence that Liberty
Lobby and the LaRouchians worked together for many years. That is
one issue. The issue of similarity of views can be addressed
alone.
  There is substantial overlap betwen the policy views of Liberty
Lobby and the LaRouchians. Both are based on a paranoid assumption
that the world is controled by secret elites. Both point to rich
Jewish banking families and their allies. Both assume that Israeli
intelligence and British intelligence have polluted the CIA and
U.S. foreign policy. Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas
of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that
today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
of Biblical Jews. Both divide capitalist control into
industrialists (productive) and financiers (parasitic) and side
with the small business interests against the interests of
multi-national corporations (an idea that was promoted by the
early Populist movements of the late 1800's).
  I have read the newspapers of both groups for ten years as part
of my job studying fascist organizations. Both groups well deserve
the term fascist.  While there are many differences between the
two groups, much of the underlying philosophy is the same.
-Chip Berlet Analyst Political Research Associates



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In an article here dated  Sat Aug 22 11:17:00 1992

NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
(Otherwise known as Chip Berlet)
writes:


>Steve dismisses any general convergence of policy viewpoints
>between Liberty Lobby and the LaRouche group by dragging a red
>herring across the trail. There is ample evidence that Liberty
>Lobby and the LaRouchians worked together for many years. That is
>one issue. The issue of similarity of views can be addressed alone.
 
>From the context and tone of the material I was responding to, I 
assumed that a convergence of views was being inferred from the 
fact of limited tactical co-operation and intelligence sharing. I
am plesantly surprised to hear that this is not the case. I would
simply make the further point that I see nothing inherently immoral
about co-operating with one's philosophical opponents in limited
areas, and therefore, no onus should be placed on LaRouche & co.
simply because they work with unsavory elements. The question of
their own beliefs and activities, as you note, can and should be
treated separately.


>  There is substantial overlap betwen the policy views of Liberty
>Lobby and the LaRouchians. Both are based on a paranoid assumption
>that the world is controled by secret elites. Both point to rich

Why do you characterize this viewpoint as paranoid? Do you have 
reason to believe it is inaccurate? Or do you perhaps wish to argue 
that even if it is accurate, only a paranoid would believe it?

>Jewish banking families and their allies. Both assume that Israeli

To characterize LaRouche's LaRouche's conspiracy hypothesis in these
terms is misleading to the point of caricature. LaRouche certainly 
believes in conspiratorial elites, made up in the West primarily of
Anglo-American financier families and the remains of the old European
aristocracy, such as the Italian family funds called "Fondi". He has
much to say about their shared philosophical outloook, and the 
historical process by which power centers embodying this outlook have
come down to our present day. Certainly, Jewish families, organizations
and individuals play a significant part in these networks, but not a
central one. And, most importantly, NO implication is made that all
Jews, or even all Jews who might innocently support such groups as
the ADL, are somehow involved or guilty of the crimes ascribed to the 
leadership of these groups. In my mind the dividing line between
anti-semitism and legitimate criticism of groups and institutions
which happen to be Jewish is the question of "collective guilt". 
Does the critic attempt to hold Jews as a people responsible for 
crimes which may have been committed by an organization identified
with the Jewish community or acting in its name? LaRouche has never,
to my (extensive) knowledge done so, and has explicitly rejected
the concept of "collective guilt" on many occasions. The specific
charges he makes may be accurate, or innacurate, but he has NEVER by
word or implication leveled them at the Jewish people.

It would be an interesting exercise, since you have access to primary 
sources, to do a rough tally comparing column inches devoted to attacks 
on Jewish targets, versus gentiles. For every Kissinger there is a 
Brezinski, a Schlesigner, or a Bush. The Rothschilds have been scarcely 
mentioned over the years, compared to the Rockefellers and the Venetian 
oligarchy. The Bronfman family and the ADL come in for extensive criticism, 
but this is minimal compared to criticism of (say) Malthusian population 
control ideologues and groups, which are predominantly gentile. (These are 
examples off the top of my head - not scientifically chosen. Your mileage 
may vary).


>intelligence and British intelligence have polluted the CIA and
>U.S. foreign policy. Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas

In LaRouche's case, in order of policy influence, we would have to 
say British first, followed closely by Soviet. I am not aware of
any claims he has made of influence by Israeli intelligence, but
I feel this influence exists and he may well have spoken to it. 
If so, it is certainly subsidiary to the first two.

In general, LaRouche sees policy influence via financial, 
intellectual, and political channels as more significant that
that of intelligence agencies as such.

>of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that

I have been reading LaRouche's material extensively for 15+ years
and have NEVER seen a positive reference to Spengler. LaRouche's
primary philosophical sources are Plato, Leibnitz, and Schiller.

>today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
>converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
>of Biblical Jews. Both divide capitalist control into

As I said above, I have been reading LaRouche's stuff for a while.
The first time I EVER HEARD of the Kazhars was in a usenet post
from Don Allen. Coincidently, I picked up a book on the history
of Byzantine Europe in the course of helping a friend with a
Medieval History paper. There was a section on the Kazhars which
I read with interest, due to Don's reference. They existed, and 
were a small cosmopolitan culture existing roughly at the boundary 
of the Muslim and Byzantine spheres of influence. In those days, 
religion was as much a political matter as a spiritual one, and
competition for religious allegiance mirrored the geopolitics of
the period. To make a long story short, they ended up converting
to Judaism. I am neither a historian or a rabbi to know if the 
conversion was proper according to Jewish custom. However, I do
know that in general, converts have always been accepted as 
authentically Jewish. So, it is plausible that many Eastern 
European Jews may be racial descendants of the Kazhars. I say, SO
WHAT! This is an interesting footnote to history and nothing more.
The soul of a people is in its culture and tradiition - not, as
racists would assert, in its "blood". If these guys have adopted 
the religion and culture of what those who make this distinction
call the "Hebrews", then I would say they are as Jewish as anybody.


>industrialists (productive) and financiers (parasitic) and side

In the only work of V.I. Lenin's I have ever read, "Imperialism,
the Final Stage of Capitalism" Lenin makes precisely this distinction.
Was he a neo-fascist too?

>with the small business interests against the interests of
>multi-national corporations (an idea that was promoted by the
>early Populist movements of the late 1800's).

Although I am not a Populist, as LaRouche is not, this still seems
like a good position. When you're right, you're right. 

>  I have read the newspapers of both groups for ten years as part
>of my job studying fascist organizations. Both groups well deserve
>the term fascist.  While there are many differences between the
>two groups, much of the underlying philosophy is the same.


I will repeat here the question I have posed in comments on other
of your posts, and have not yet gotten an answer to. Do you, Chip,
agree or disagree with LaRouche's notion that the central element of
fascism is the imposition, ultimately by a repressive state, of
conditions of ecomomic austerity against the living standards of
working people? If you disagree, I would like to hear why. If you 
agree on this point, then how, in light of LaRouche's continued and 
long-standing denunciation of such practices as "fascist", can you
possibly continue to call HIM a fascist? 

>-Chip Berlet Analyst Political Research Associates

-Steve Crocker
aq817@Cleveland.FreeNet.edu


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Folks, try some intelligent analysis. Any large academic study of fascism
will give a far more complex definition than authoritarian repression by
a government. The major academic work on Liberty Lobby by Mintz, for example,
discusses at great length the fascist tendencies of the group and the role
it plays in bridging the neo-Nazi right and the reactionary right. The major
error you folks are making about fascism, is that it is widely recognized that
there is a dramatic difference between fascism as a political movement, with itspopulist and pseudo-radical appeals to the middle and working class, and the
brutul form it takes when it gains state power.
  Please read Hannah Arendt on "The Origins of Totalitarianism" and her
careful discusion of Fascism as a political movement: it sounds just like the
appeals of LaRouche and Liberty Lobby: no surpise, both are fascist movements.
Please recall that as movements, fascism in Italy and Germnany attacked the
regimes in power as corrupt, and promised to represent the average person
against the elites.
  Sorry suckers, you're falling for the con again. I would have thought
thinking folks would not make the same error twice...at least not in
the same century.
  I will post a lengthier discussion I co-wrote on LaRouche in a new
topic.
  And please do some reading in a real library, not just issues of
LaRouchian and Liberty Lobby screed.

George Seldes, author of "Sawdust Caesar," first biography of Il Dulce:
"This guy LaRouche is pushing the same line as the Italian Fascists, it's
Italian Fascist Economic theory...anyone can see that."
   (Interview with Seldes at age 96 at his home in Vermont, 1986)

-Chip Berlet
Sued twice by LaRouche for calling him a fascist...LaRouche lost both cases.
One was a jury trial...they did their homework...why don't you?

[Editor's Note:: Three files comprising the PRA briefing paper on 
Lyndon LaRouche omitted.  These files may be obtained by addressing a 
request to listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and using the following commands as 
the message text:

get fascism larouche.PRA1
get fascism larouche.PRA2
get fascism larouche.PRA3

The remainder of this file includes most of the LaRouche thread. knm]

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As quoted from <1296500306@igc.apc.org> by NLG Civil Liberties Committee :

>  Who is Lyndon LaRouche?
> 
>    LaRouche spent his formative years in the small 
> industrial city of Lynn, Massachusetts as a 
> Quaker, and the past fifteen years forging a 
> fascist movement out of cadre originally drawn 
> from idealistic Marxist college students. His 
> name became more familiar to Americans in April 
> of 1986 when two Illinois followers of LaRouche 
> scored primary victories--garnering the official 
> Democratic Party ballot slots for Lieutenant 
> Governor and Secretary of State. In repudiating 
> the LaRouche candidates, the Democratic Party's 
> candidate for Illinois governor, Adlai Stevenson, 
> removed himself from the official ticket saying 
> he could not in good conscience run on the same 
> ticket with "neo-Nazis."

A much more interesting tale would be how they got on the ticket in the first
place.  I was living in Chicago at the time.  One lesson learned is that if
you totally disdain and alienate the Black vote, you never know where it'll
turn in reaction.  Now THAT'S an interesting story.

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Re: LaRouche

I was in Chicago when the LaRouchians won the primary. There was a pollster
in Joliet who had warned prior to the vote that frustrated voters might
vote for the LaRouchians as a protest over the Democratic Party ignoring
poor and working class constitutents, which certainly included many
Black voters. The American Jewish Committee commissioned a study of the
vote patterns, but it was inconclusive.
-Chip



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One of the difficulties in posting material originally written by someone
else is that it is difficult to respond to criticism of the piece. In 
this case, the best I am able to do is to post some additional background 
material on the Tavistock Institute, also from the LaRouche organization,
thus a tleast making it more clear exactly what they are saying about this
institution and the influence it supposedly wields. Since this does not
represent my own research, I am unable to vouch for the accuracy of the
details presented. As a long time supporter of LaRouche's political
program, I naturally tend to consider his organization a credible and
authoritative source. Your mileage may vary.

The document I am about to post presented some peculiar problems in 
preparation and editing. This is because the machine readable text I
had available was a badly edited copy of a reprint of the original.
Fortunately, I posses an original first edition of the June 1980
pamphlet "Stamp Out the Aquarian Conspiracy" from which the material
below is excerpted. The problems I ran into were several. First, the 
document is lengthy. Substantial portions of it do not deal directly
with Tavistock or its spin-offs, and these, though interesting, I have
deleted for brevity. Second, the edited version available to me deleted
(often without indication) significant passages which for our purposes
here I would prefer to have left in. I have handled both these cases
simply by indicating  without specifying whether the
deletion was mine or was already imposed on the copy I was working from.
A further problem was editorial comments. These were inserted in such
a way as to cause the quoted material to support the particular conspiracy
hypotheses of the editor. Where these comments were identified I deleted
them without indication. The most disturbing case was where editorial
comments were inserted into the text without indication, causing them
to appear as though part of the original. In a particularly disturbing
case, text was inserted to make the original document appear to support
the contention that the Nazi Holocaust was a concocted fiction - a point
of view to which neither LaRouche, his organization, nor myself subscribe.
I tracked down the most obvious of these (fortunately, they were usually 
at the end of paragraphs), and corrected them without indication. 
Hopefully I got them all. It is my judgement that the excerpts which I
fianlly included below accurately reflect the LaRouche organization's
view of Tavistock and related institutions, and are useful background
to the Tavistock references in the TV articles.

If anybody is interested in a Xerox of the full 65 page original of
this pamphlet, Email me with your P.O address and give me a week or
two to send it to you. My resources are limited, but I expect to be
able to honor the first dozen or so requests.

Hope you find the material below useful,
-Steve Crocker
aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu



  
  In the late 1940's and early 1950's, the very same group of powerful 
  interests who today command the evil forces of social engineering, then 
  launched an irrational Cold War and a McCarthyite witch-hunt.  Suddenly, 
  rational argument in policy formulation disappeared from national life.  
  The traditional debate that American citizens historically conducted to 
  determine their foreign policy, the special moral and practical weight of 
  this nation among the nations of the world--all that was abandoned, to be 
  replaced by the unchallenged, axiomatic, pervasive irrationality of the 
  Cold War. The result was that the moorings of national moral purpose 
  collapsed, the citizens who make up the nation and share its moral 
  purpose surrendered to a morally indifferent irrationality.  

  Disarmed by this moral indifference and irrationality, young adults 
  entered the decade of the 1950's in pursuit of private goals and petty 
  career concerns.  And the children of this generation began growing up 
  without clear moral moorings.  What followed was the notorious 
  "generation gap" and the large-scale manipulations of the 
  social-engineering establishment, the Rand Corporation, the Stanford 
  Research Institute, and other institutions we shall meet presently.  The 
  New Left, the Vietnam War and the antiwar movement were all 
  social-engineering projects.  The Watergate scandals, environmentalism 
  and the slow and deliberate destruction of American technology were also 
  preplanned social-engineering projects.  

  

  Our researches identified this powerful group with certain old 
  aristocratic families in England, the United States and Canada witch 
  control, for purposes of social manipulation, the world's $200 billion 
  drug traffic.  Those findings were published in the best-selling book, 
  DOPE, INC., which caused quite a stir among the law enforcement agencies 
  of numerous nations, and threw the governors of the U.S. Federal Reserve 
  System in Washington into turmoil for a protracted period.  

  TAVISTOCK 

  Our first systematic study of our opponents' techniques and methods in 
  psychological social control were published in April and May of 1974 in 
  the magazine The Campaigners as a series of research papers under the 
  joint title The Tavistock Grin.  

  We identified the Tavistock Clinic in London, England as the world's 
  center for mass brainwashing, social engineering programs and activities 
  in the postwar period.  During World War II, Tavistock was the 
  headquarters of the British Army's Psychological Warfare Bureau which, 
  through the arrangements of the British Special Operations Executive, 
  also dictated policy to the United States Armed Forces in matters of 
  psychological warfare.  
  Toward the end of the war, Tavistock personnel took over the World 
  Federation of Mental Health and the Psychological Warfare Division of the 
  Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) in Europe. 
  Tavistock's chief theoretician, Dr. Kurt Lewin, organized the Harvard 
  Psychological Clinic, the MIT Research Center for Group Dynamics, The 
  Institute of Social Research at the University of Michigan. Lewin also 
  played a pivotal policy role at the psychological department of the 
  Office of Strategic Services (OSS), at the Office of Naval Research, the 
  U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey and the Committee on National Morale. 
  Moreover, a large number of influential people at the top policy level 
  were trained in Dr. Lewin's theory of topological psychology, which is to 
  this day the world's most advanced method of behavior modification 
  brainwashing.  

  Other important colleagues of Kurt Lewin, including Eric Trist and John 
  Rawlings Rees of Tavistock, as well as H. V. Dicks, W. R. Bion, and 
  Richard Crossman, took the personnel from the Strategic Bombing Survey, 
  the Committee on National Morale and the National Defense Resources 
  Council, and from this pool founded the Rand Corporation, the Stanford 
  Research Institute, the Wharton School, the National Training 
  Laboratories, the National Institute of Mental Health and others.  

  The United States government started contracting multimillion-dollar 
  projects with all these outfits.  Over a period of thirty years, tens of 
  billions of dollars have been allocated by the federal government to fund 
  the work of these groups; other tens of billions of dollars found their 
  way into these institutions from private foundations.  

  Over the years, these institutions grew and the scope of projects they 
  contracted grew.  Every aspect of the mental and psychological life of 
  the American people was profiled, recorded, and stored into computer 
  memories.  The institutions, personnel and networks grew and penetrated 
  deeply into every nook and cranny of federal, state and local 
  governments.  The in-house specialists and graduates were called in to 
  develop policies for welfare departments, labor, mediation boards, trade 
  unions, the Air Force, the Navy, the Army, the National Education 
  Association, and psychiatric clinics.  

  Close cooperative relations were developed between these think-tanks and 
  the U.S.A's key polling organizations and the major media.  Gallup Polls, 
  the Yankelovich-CBS-New York Times polls, the National Opinion Research 
  Center and others are incessantly conducting psychological profiles of 
  the entire population, sharing them for evaluation and processing with 
  the ubiquitous social psychologists.  What the public sees printed in the 
  newspapers as opinion polls is only an infinitesimal portion of the work 
  that the pollsters do.  

  Above this closely cooperating grouping of social psychologists, 
  pollsters and media manipulators, presides an elite of powerful patrons, 
  "the gods of Olympus" as they delight in being called.  These are a 
  cluster of corporations and families on top of the electronics, 
  communications and related sophisticated-technology industries, etc.  
  The core cluster consists of the following: International Telephone & 
  Telegraph, American Telephone & Telegraph, Xerox, Rank Organization, 
  Bendix, Raytheon, Arthur D. Little, Eagle Star Group, RCA, Bechtel, 
  Textron, Reliance Group, Prudential Insurance, American Express, Lazard 
  Brothers, Kuhn Loeb, Blyth-Eastman Dillon, Petro-Canada, Standard 
  Telephones and Cables and their subsidiaries, affiliated and interlocking 
  corporations.  All in all, it is estimated that this group, which on 
  matters of long-term strategy tends to act in a very disciplined and 
  unified way, commands over 60 of the Fortune 500 companies in the USA.
  It has swallowed up all the other "power groups" of   earlier U.S. history,
  the Morgan Group, Rockefeller group, Cabot-Lodge group, etc.  In the deeper 
  recesses of the intelligence establishment in Washington, veteran 
  intelligence officers refer to this awesome group, in   hushed tones and 
  mysterious language as the "Committee of Three-Hundred". The group prefers 
  to be called "The Olympians". These are the real power in the land, the
  deployers of our social engineers and social psychologists.

  WHAT IS AQUARIUS

  

  To top all this, in July 1980, a major international conference is being 
  held in Toronto, Canada, under the title First Global Conference on the 
  Future,
  to be attended by over 4,000 social engineers, cybernetics experts and 
  futurologists from all the think tanks.  The purpose of the conference, 
  in the words of its chairman, "The time has come to move from thinking 
  and dialogue to action.  This conference will become the launching pad 
  for that important action to occur in the 1980's." So says the 
  billionaire   Maurice Strong, chairman of Petro-Canada, high-ranking 
  British Intelligence officer during World War II, one of the chief 
  executives of Dope, Inc., and former director of the United Nations 
  Environmental Program. One of the chief speakers will be Dr. Aurelio 
  Peccei, chairman of the Club of Rome, a NATO THINK TANK about which 
  we will say more later.  

  Close investigation of the preparatory activities of the conference 
  participants and the in-house studies of the social-engineering think 
  tanks that will participate, has confirmed conclusively that the 
  "decisive action" Maurice Strong is speaking about is the brainwashing of 
  the entire human species.  All the kooks of the world are coming out in 
  the most impressive Witches Sabbath yet in Toronto.  
  
  The peril this nation is imminently confronted with, in fact the peril to 
  the whole human species, is nothing less than complete elimination of 
  what mankind has historically regarded as its soul.  Our brainwashers are 
  proposing the complete extirpation of mankind's inner sense of identity, 
  and the placement, in the vacant space, of an artificial, synthetic 
  pseudo-soul.  

  Before you howl "incredible", you ought to review the technical study 
  that was prepared in May 1974 by the Stanford Research Institute, whose 
  contents were later used in popularized form in Marilyn Ferguson's book.  

  The study is entitled CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN, Contract Number 
  URH(489)-2150. Policy Research Report No. 4/4.74, prepared by SRI Center 
  for the Study of Social Policy, Willis Harman, Director. Dr. Harman later 
  personally coached Marilyn Ferguson in writing her popularized version, 
  THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY. The 319-page mimeographed SRI report was 
  prepared by a team of 14 researchers and supervised by supervisory panel 
  of 23 controllers, including anthropologist Margaret Mead, psychologist 
  B. F. Skinner, Ervin Laszlo of the United Nations, Sir Geoffrey Vickers 
  of British Intelligence and others.  

  

  When this was published in May 1974, the authors were careful not to 
  fully reveal their direct involvement in artificially manufacturing all 
  these hideous, inhuman forms of countercultural zombie-ism.  Six years 
  later, however, in February 1980, Dr. Willis Harman, the project director 
  of the report, after lengthy collaboration with Marilyn Ferguson, induced 
  her to come out into the open to boast that all this was, from the 
  beginning, the work of a deliberate conspiracy.  

  A leaderless but powerful network is working to bring about radical 
  change in the United States. Its members have broken with certain key 
  elements of Western thought...  The great shuddering irrevocable shift 
  overtaking us is not a new political, religious or philosophical system.  
  It is a new mind--the ascendance of a startling worldview....  

  WHY? 
  
  We concede that one of the things that causes people to be incredulous 
  when this picture is presented is that they do not comprehend what kinds 
  of motivation our brainwasher social-psychologists could possibly have 
  for doing this to us.  If the motivation cannot be comprehended, then the 
  motivation "does not exist".  And if the motivation does not exist, then 
  the action that derives from it does not exist; therefore "The Aquarian 
  Conspiracy does not exist".  

  But the Aquarian Conspiracy itself proclaims that it exists!  

  Therefore, you should sit down to reason out what its motivation might 
  possibly be.  Identifying its history, both before and after the events 
  of World War II, the social experiments of H. G. Wells, Aldous and Julian 
  Huxley, Teilhard de Chardin, and others will give you some added basis 
  for understanding the motivation.  Identifying the recent history of the 
  matter, from the 1960's on, will give you a further basis.  On that basis 
  you can project into the more distant past history of this school of 
  thought that our brainwashers represent, into the period of Aristotle.  

  Meanwhile, with respect to the more recent history: the strategic 
  foundations for the current form of the Aquarian Conspiracy were laid 
  down during the 1966-67 peiod in a series of high-level NATO conferences 
  which at the time involved, among others, a famous NATO official, Aurelio 
  Peccei, the then little-known Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski in his capacity as a
   staff member of the State   Department's Policy Planning Group, and most 
  of the leaders of those   multinational corporations we mentioned earlier.

  The final decisions of those NATO deliberations were to apply a series of 
  long-term policies throughout the Western World for the purpose of 
  inducing a transition to a technologically "steady-state", "zero-growth", 
  "post-industrial society".  [H: Go back and read that again!] The Soviet 
  bloc was supposed to be skillfully induced to gradually evolve toward a 
  similar type of "steady-state" equilibrium system.  Dr. Brzezinski, in 
  the aftermath of those NATO meetings, wrote his famous essay, THE 
  TECHNETRONIC ERA and Aurelio Peccei his famous book, 
  THE CHASM AHEAD. Following that, McGeorge Bundy and the Council on 
  Foreign Relations attempted to start the "inducement process" with the 
  Soviets by jointly establishing the Vienna International Institute of 
  Applied Systems Analysis. The SALT arms control negotiation and nuclear 
  non-proliferation processes got underway.  The NASA space program was 
  gradually terminated.  A massive increase in world drug traffic 
  appeared.  Aurelio Peccei went to the Tavistock Institute in England and 
  there he launched the notorious Club of Rome jointly with Tavistock.  

  The brainwashing specialists of the Tavistock network internationally 
  went to work.  The era of government by "crisis management" had arrived.  
  Some basic things ought to be said now about the social-engineering 
  technique of "crisis management". 


 KURT LEWIN

  The technique derives from the "topological psychology" doctrine of Dr. 
  Kurt Lewin, the seminal theoretical influence in the entire field of 
  social-psychology, the patron-saint of all the Tavistock-related 
  think-tanks and the man upon whose theories the psychological warfare 
  battles of World War II were fought.  

  To summarize the matter of Lewin's doctrine in chunks manageable by the 
  layman: all psychological phenomena occur in a domain defined as 
  "psychological phase space" or "life space".  This space is composed of 
  two interdependent "fields", the "environment" and the "self". Life space 
  is the domain in which human behavior occurs.  Behavior depends on both 
  environment and self or B = F(E.P.) (Behavior is a function of 
  Environment and Person.) This is accompanied by a tremendous amount of 
  misplaced emphasis on mathematical/topological interpretations of 
  psychological relations, none of which makes any contribution to 
  scientific knowledge, but is admirably suited for transforming 
  psychological problems into computer-programmable problems.  This was 
  promptly done.  

  The concept of "controlled environment" arose from the common-sensical 
  observation that if you have a fixed personality (one susceptible to 
  being predictably profiled), and if you want to elicit from this 
  personality a particular type of behavior, then all you have to do is 
  control the third variable of the equation and thus produce the desired 
  behavior.  This was the standard social-psychology formula used for years 
  in every type of situation from labor negotiations to army 
  counterinsurgency operations, to important diplomatic maneuvers, until 
  apparently sometime in the 1960's. From that point on the greater 
  emphasis of social-psychology practice and theory was placed on the 
  problem of using the technique of controlled environment to produce not 
  the desired B (behavior) but the desired P (personality) in the 
  equation.  It can be speculated that our brainwashers found it very 
  frustrating to merely modify the behavior of the victim case-by-case and 
  once-at-a-time, and started puzzling over how to accomplish something 
  more drastic and permanent, like altering the deeper structures of human 
  personalities.  Thus, brainwashing moved from the era of "behavior 
  modification" to the era of "identity change".  

  The theory for this type of activity again relied upon the original 
  formulations of two Tavistock theoreticians, Dr. William Sargent's theory 
  in this BATTLE FOR THE MIND , and Kurt Lewin's own work on personality 
  regression.  

  Lewin observed that the inner self of the individual displays certain 
  reactions when under tension from the environment.  When there is no 
  tension, then the normal inner self of a person is well differentiated, 
  balanced, multifaceted, versative.  When a reasonable amount of tension 
  is applied, then this geometry collapses into blinded, undifferentiated 
  soup; a primitivization, a regression of the personality occurs.  The 
  person is reduced to an animal, the highly differentiated and versatile 
  abilities disappear.  The controlled environment takes over the 
  personality.  

  Or, as Marilyn Ferguson puts it, "Stress and transformation...these 
  paired ideas are a theme, a litany in the literature of the Aquarian 
  Conspiracy."  

  From this bit of nastiness emerged the theory of government by "crisis 
  management".  The social psychologists reasoned, more or less, in the 
  following fashion: "Since we are already in control of a 'controlled 
  environment', what will happen to the P (person) entrapped inside it when 
  we introduce 'social environmental turbulence'?  The deliberately 
  directed turbulence will create tensions for the P (person) and under 
  those conditions we shall examine the effects of directed tension upon 
  the personality and character structure of large populations."  

  A senior psychiatrist of the Tavistock clinic, Dr. Fred Emery, now at the 
  national University of Australia and formerly a member of President 
  Johnson's Kerner Commission, describes the following symptoms that large 
  populations display under conditions of this sort of "social 
  environmental turbulence"--the social crises that crisis management 
  causes: 

  There are three phases of reaction to social crisis.  

  The first is "Superficiality", in which the threatened population will 
  react by adopting some shallow sloganeering ideals to which, however, it 
  will not attach any serious "ego investment".  This is a passive 
  "maladaptive" response, maladaptive because it fails to identify the 
  causes of the crisis and therefore the crisis (tension) will persist.  

  The second phase of reaction, since the crisis continues, is 
  "fragmentation", in which panic begins to strike, social cohesion breaks 
  down, and small social groups try to protect themselves from the crisis 
  at the expense of other small, fragmented social groups.  This is also a 
  "passive maladaptive" reaction and, failing to identify the cause of the 
  crisis, it degenerates further into a third phase: "dissociation".  

  In the third phase, the victim turns away from the source of tension, 
  from the induced crisis, and goes into a fantasy trip of internal 
  migration, introspection, obsession with self.  This is the so-called 
  "self-realization" process of the Stanford Research Institute's report.  

  Subsequently, Dr. Emery adds that these three "passive" maladaptive 
  responses are each accompanied by an "active", but equally maladaptive 
  response.  "Superficiality" is thus paired with "synoptic idealism" as 
  its opposite; "fragmentation" with "authoritarianism", "dissociation" 
  with "evangelicism". The report then goes on to summarize the results of 
  the last thirty years [H: Thirty years?  Stop and think a moment--this 
  means that your enemy has had over half a century to perfect his deadly 
  plans.] of combined applied social psychology and crisis management.  

  In the decade of the 1960's we had the "superficiality" of the new Left 
  movement paired with the "synoptic idealism" of the Great Society.  

  In the decade of the 1970's we had the "fragmentation" of "community 
  control" movements paired with the "authoritarianism" of the Nixon era.  

  In the decade of the 1980's we have the "dissociation" of 
  "self-realization", "transcendental meditation", paired with the 
  "evangelicism" of all forms of mass religious fundamentalism.  

  So all these scenarios are in the computers of our pervasive social 
  engineering think-tanks.  The scenarios are in operation at the present 
  time.  What is supposed to emerge out of the pair of "disassociation" and 
  "evangelicism" of the present national crisis is the Age of Aquarius.  

  The snag in the whole project is that the brainwashers of our society are 
  counting on the populations responding with exclusively maladaptive 
  responses--responses to the crisis which fail to identify the causes of 
  the crisis or "environmental turbulence".  

  Should the population, or even significant minorities of the population, 
  be able to identify what the causes of the crisis are, the whole social 
  engineering operation of the last thirty years will collapse.  

  The reason we of the ICLC are putting this report in your hands is to 
  enable you to identify the causes of the crisis.  If you successfully do 
  so, then your reaction will not likely be maladaptive, because you will 
  know the causes.  If your mental abilities are within the range of the 
  national average, you will know without being told that your best 
  "active" "adaptive" response will be to get to the nearest copying 
  machine and make copies of this report for literally every citizen you 
  know, or get to the nearest telephone to contact us for further 
  mobilization.  

  If you have any notion that anything else, apart from collaborating with 
  us, will have any effect and if your behavior turns out to be 
  typical of most of your fellow citizens, then you will be acting 
  according to the way you have been profiled.  If you do so, you will not 
  be able to retain your sense of identity, that inner sense which you call 
  your soul, for more than the time between now and the year 1984. By that 
  time, if you do not succeed in producing anything but maladaptive 
  responses, you will no longer be the same person you are now.  

  

  The body-snatchers of the Aquarian Conspiracy are after you. And
  among them are the President of the United States and his National
  Security Advisor.

  THE PSYCHAITRIC SHOCK TROOPS
  The Enemy's Main Army

  Over the course of the last 35 years, an invisible army has been deployed 
  into place in nearly every corner of the globe.  It is an army of 
  professionals, buried deep in the universities and think-tanks, whose 
  names and faces are unfamiliar to most citizens. They are dedicated to 
  one purpose--TO REDUCE MANKIND, THROUGH THE USE OF ADVANCED TECHNIQUES OF 
  PSYCHOLOGICAL warfare TO TAME, EASILY CONTROLLED BEASTS.  

  Topic: THE TAVISTOCK NETWORK 

  In this section, we summarize the network, indicating its evolution, its 
  general character and its leaders.  In the United States, this network, 
  which we shall call the Tavistock Network, has ten major installations, 
  an estimated four hundred medium sized installations and probably about 
  two to three thousand mini-sized spin-off groups deployed around the 
  major ones.  The total number of professionals employed in these 
  institutions is an estimated 35,000-40,000 persons. With an annual budget 
  of about $5-6 billion.  

 


  NATIONAL TRAINING LABORATORIES 

  (International Institute for Applied Behavioral Science) 

  Rosslyn Station, Va.  Tel. 703-527-1500 Founded: 1947 Director: Leeland 
  Bradford Number of Employees: 500 (including regional NTL branches) Gross 
  Expenditures Per Year (1979): $23 million.  Percentage of Total Research 
  Devoted to Futurology: 10% Major Clients and Types of Contracts: NTL runs 
  "T-Groups" ("Training Groups") on Lewinite Group Behavior, including 
  "role-playing" involving plunging the participants into "artificial 
  stress situations".  NTL annually runs these T-Groups programs for the 
  entire managements of the following: U.S. Department of State U.S. Civil 
  Service Commission National Education Association: NTL is an official 
  unit of the NEA, the largest Teachers Association in the U.S. for which 
  NTL conducts most of the Leadership Training Programs.  

  NTL's clients include the following corporations: Alcoa, American 
  Cyanamid, Bell Telephone, B.F. Goodrich, Eli Lilly, Dow Chemical, U.S. 
  Steel, Westinghouse, Lockheed, DuPont, Eastman Kodak and all major oil 
  companies.
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  INSTITUTE FOR SOCIAL RESEARCH 

  426 Thompson St., Ann Arbor, Michigan 
  Tel: 313-764-8363 Founded: 1946 (officially) Director: F.T. 
  Juster Director Emeritus: Rensis Like Survey Research Center: Director, 
  Stephen Withey Group Dynamics: Director Emeritus, Dorwin Cartwright 
  Center for Research on Utilization of Scientific Knowledge: Director 
  Emeritus, Ronald Lippitt Center for Political Studies: Director Warren 
  Miller Number of Employees: 500 Total Revenue (1978): $14 million 

  Major Clients and Types of Contracts: 

  UNESCO: "International Study on the Organization and Performance of 
  Research Units", an international study on the conditions that constitute 
  a productive organizational climate for scientific R&D.  Russell Sage 
  Foundation: "The Human Meaning of Social Change", the current state of 
  research on subjective well-being, followed by a national survey 
  supported by Russell Sage which sought to conceptualize and measure 
  people's feelings of well-being.  National Science Foundation: 
  Continuation of above, with emphasis on both individual and group change 
  in perceived well-being over 1971-78 period.  OECD: "Social Accounting 
  System", relates various data on the production of goods, household use 
  of time, and products of household production, and individual and 
  societal welfare, to establish the significance that various areas of 
  life have for people's evaluations of their well-being and how rapidly 
  these states can be disrupted.  Department of Health, Education and 
  Welfare, U.S. Office of Education: "Youth in Transition". What are the 
  major causes and consequences of dropping out of high school?  Are some 
  high schools more effective than others and why?  Various controlled 
  studies on disruptions as introduced into the settings.  National 
  Institute on Drug Abuse: "Monitoring the Future", an assessment of 
  personal lifestyles, drug use, attitudes about drugs, intergroup and 
  interpersonal attitudes, and other ethical and social issues--and, how 
  quickly groups respond to introductions of substance and activities 
  within those groups and concerning those issues.  National Institute of 
  Mental Health: "How Americans View Their Mental Health" and "Effects of 
  Introduction of Added Stress and Disease upon Populations".  National 
  Chicano Survey: "Chicano Research and Training".  U.S. Congress Office of 
  Technology Assessment: "On Learning to Plan--and Planning to Learn", the 
  use of technology assessment as a tool to guide public policy and 
  planning, as witnessed by the establishment of the OTA. Identify 
  psychological, sociological and political factors affecting the 
  utilization of technology products for public policy formation and 
  planning.  U.S. Department of Labor, Manpower Administration: An 
  analytical comparison of systems for R&D diffusion and utilization in 
  four federal agencies.  Government of PERU: ISR has helped Peruvian 
  Government establish a survey research facility. Grants and contracts have 
  also been received from: U.S. Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department 
  of Defense, U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of Interior, Ford 
  Foundation, International Labor Organization, U.S. Postal Service, 
  Electric Power Research Institute.  

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  ESALEN INSTITUTE 

  Big Sur, California Tel: 408-667-2335 Founded: 1962 Director: Richard 
  Price Co-Director: Michael Murphy Number of Employees: Over a 100 with 
  spin-off institutes in the U.S. numbering over 1,000, with a total staff 
  in 1979 of over 10,000.  Gross Volume of Sales Turnover Per Year (1979): 
  $4 million; $400 million estimated for total national spin-offs.  Major 
  Clients and Types of Contracts: Esalen is the popular version of National 
  Training Labs, and like NTL conducts essentially the same seminars for 
  all its clients: T-Group ego-stripping sessions, Group Therapy including 
  group sexual therapy as a form of "couples counseling", mind-expansion 
  with and without psychedelic drugs, and religious cult experiences such 
  as the chanting of Yoga mantras and Zen meditation.  More than 2.5 
  million individuals have been brainwashed through Esalen group techniques 
  since 1962. Organizations who have used Esalen for their membership in 
  institutional training include: Episcopal Church of California, San 
  Francisco State College, San Francisco Grace Episcopal Cathedral, 
  Brandeis University, UCLA, American Psychological Association, Playboy 
  Magazine, Stanford Research Institute, Journal of Transpersonal 
  Psychology, Journal of Humanistic Psychology, Western Behavioral Sciences 
  Institute (La Jolla), World Council of Churches, Mendocino State 
  Hospital, Stanford University, Santa Cruz University--and the list goes 
  on so long as to preclude re-publishing it.  [H: It has been proven and 
  re-proven that the leaders were the epitome of corruption of both 
  financial and moral attitudes of self and as practiced (taught). You who 
  have been brainwashed through Esalen need compassion for if you are 
  "screwed-up", you now know the source and where the problems REALLY 
  began.  This was among the most evil intentional brain-change programs 
  ever produced against the citizenry to gain control and mind-warp.] 

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  MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY Topic: ALFRED P. SLOAN 
  SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT 

  Cambridge, Massachusetts Tel: 617-253-7166 Senior Professor of 
  contemporary Technology: Caroll L. Wilson Systems Dynamics Group 
  Director: Jay Forrester. 617-253-1550 Industrial Relations Section 
  Director: Dr. Charles A. Myers. 617-253-2671.  Major Clients and Types of 
  Contracts: The Sloan School's professorial and magazine staff for Sloan 
  Management Review, are almost all trained Operations Research and 
  Lewinite Group Psychologists specializing in restructuring of corporate 
  and labor union management.  The Sloan School has done personnel training 
  and organizational restructuring for GTE, Sylvania, TRW, and major 
  medical administrative units.  U.S. Navy, Office of Naval Research, Group 
  Psychology Branch: Edgar H. Schein, Study on Increasing Organization 
  Effectiveness Through Better Human Resource Planning and Development, 
  1977, and psychological "fortification" of Intelligence groups.  American 
  Management Association: "Management Decisions for the Next Decade (1980's 
  and into the '90's)" by Charles A. Myers. Improvement of Management 
  productivity through better utilization of human resources in labor force 
  computer systems, urban crises (natural and constructed), and 
  multinationalization of international BUSINESS.  U.S. Department of State 
  NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES NASA-ERC Computer Research Lab: Prof. Avery 
  R. Johnson, Consultant, Social Science Research council.  MIT Sloan 
  School Systems Dynamics Group wrote the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth 
  by Jay Forrester and Dennis Meadows. The methods of group dynamics, 
  combined with computer analysis of economic parameters deliberately 
  restricted to limited resources over which corporate management are told 
  to compete, are used to convince major U.S. industries and the U.S. 
  government of the psychological necessity of the Club of Rome's program 
  for the shutdown of U.S. industry.  [H: Remember!!--still in the 1970s.] 
  Major Sponsors of the Systems Dynamics Group "World 1, 2, 3" (Club of 
  Rome) model: The Club of Rome, The Volkswagen Foundation, The National 
  Science Foundation, The National Academy of Sciences, The American Gas 
  Association.  Systems Dynamics Group "National Dynamics Project": The 
  Sloan School SDG also carried out from 1972-77 a National Dynamics 
  Project "to better understand the behavior of the socioeconomic system of 
  the U.S. and to provide testing alternate public policies centered around 
  a computer simulation model of socioeconomic change to be test run in the 
  1980's on "live subjects".  

  THE TAVISTOCK "MOTHER" 

  The "mother" institution for this network of psychological warriors is 
  the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations located in London, England. 
  While the name of the institute is unknown to all but certain members of 
  this psychological profession and their students, it is no exaggeration 
  to say that the techniques for psychological control of "target 
  populations", the key planning for their implementation, and the training 
  of most of the "controllers" are the Institute's handiwork.  

  Tavistock was founded as a clinic in 1921, to serve as a psychological 
  think tank for the British intelligence services.  The man who shaped 
  Tavistock and who developed what is sometimes referred to as the 
  "Tavistock method" was Brigadier-General John Rawlings Rees, an intimate 
  of Margaret Mead, Gregory Bateson and Kurt Lewin who became the clinic's 
  director in 1932. Rees's contribution to psychology, to put it crudely 
  but accurately, was that he recognized that the same techniques used in 
  psychotherapy to cure an individual of his neuroses or psychosis could be 
  applied to make him sicker.  Rees proposed to deliberately induce 
  controlled forms of neurosis, or even psychotic behavior.  

  First applying this to single individuals, then to groups, Rees 
  eventually proposed that this "retrogressive psychology" be applied to 
  large numbers of individuals . It is on this premise--that large numbers 
  of individuals can be driven neurotic or psychotic and therefore 
  controlled--that the entire Tavistock method rests.  

  The tool for driving a society mad--or neurotic--was repeated 
  "psychological shocks" or "stressful events".  Rees and his cothinkers 
  reasoned that if populations could be put through "stress tests" it was 
  possible to first predict a response and then, through altering the range 
  of perceived choices, to direct responses in an intended direction.  In 
  that way whole societies could be "profiled" and controlled.  In his 
  published works and private conversations, Rees reasoned that it was 
  possible to induce a population to believe almost anything, provided that 
  the dissemination of information, and therefore the population's 
  perceived choices, were rigorously controlled.  This is the essence of 
  what is called a "controlled psychological environment".  

  While some of Rees's more timid colleagues claimed that this could only 
  occur under laboratory conditions, Rees boldly asserted that the entire 
  society or parts of it could be turned into a laboratory. 

  The goal, according to Rees, is to use psychological shock troops to 
  build a society "where it is possible for people of every social group to 
  have treatment when they need it, even when they do not wish it, without 
  it being necessary to invoke law."   

  Starting in the mid-1930's, Rees began to systematically build his 
  invisible army.  

  He recruited W. R. Bion, who developed the concept of the "leaderless 
  group", to the Tavistock staff.  Eric Trist, now at the Wharton School in 
  Philadelphia and the effective head of the Tavistock operations in the 
  U.S.A., was recruited in 1940 while doing experiments on hypnosis-reduced 
  abreaction at an English hospital.  H. V. Dicks, who became Tavistock's 
  assistant director, was brought on board in 1940.  

  But it was the war that gave Tavistock its biggest boost.  It is 
  absolutely no exaggeration to say that Rees, from 1938-42, proceeded to 
  take over the effective command of the British Army. The military, 
  according to Rees, was the ideal place to test out his theories.  "The 
  army and other fighting services form rather unique experimental groups 
  since they are complete communities and it is possible to arrange 
  experiments that would be very difficult to do in civilian life."  

  Rees eventually became the consulting psychiatrist to the Army at Home 
  and later effectively ran the directorate of Army psychiatry.  From this 
  position, Rees was able to recruit from all over the British Commonwealth 
  to fill out his "first team".  Rees demanded that his "team" meet 
  regularly in informal sessions, dubbing the meetings the "invisible 
  college".  Rees managed to get his personnel assigned to the staff of 
  every British Army unit and the Allied Command itself, especially SHAEF 
  (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force).  

  The Tavistock crew worked closely with the Special Operations Executive, 
  the British intelligence service section in charge of clandestine 
  operations.  Rees's top assistant, H. V. Dicks, was seconded to the 
  Directorate of Military Intelligence on a semipermanent basis.  Tavistock 
  personnel were responsible for training the American Office of Strategic 
  Services (the forerunner of the CIA) and the allied psychological warfare 
  division.  

  It would require pages to provide full details of Tavistock's wartime 
  exploits.  The point to be made here is that Tavistock under Rees's 
  direction used the war to both expand its staff and influence; more 
  importantly it became impossible to separate Tavistock and its personnel 
  from the Allied military command structure.  It was this structure which 
  was to evolve in the immediate postwar period into the NATO command.  

 POSTWAR NETWORK 

  At the close of the Second World War, John Rawlings Rees outlined his 
  postwar plans to a group of U.S. Army psychiatrists.  Said Rees, "If we 
  propose to come out in the open and to attack the national and social 
  problems of our day, then we must have shock troops and these cannot be 
  provided by psychiatry based wholly on institutions.  We must have mobile 
  teams of psychiatrists who are free to move around and make contacts with 
  the local situation in a particular area."  

  Rees proposed the creation of a psychological conspiracy--modeled on his 
  wartime "invisible college"--and expanded to include points of influence 
  and control in every major nation on earth.  In a world driven 
  deliberately mad, the only arbiter of sanity is psychiatry and this power 
  can only be exercised by a cabal "in every country, groups of 
  psychiatrists, linked to each other" capable of influencing the 
  "political governmental field".  


  The Tavistock network is the evolved form of this Ressian conspiracy.
  It is a multi-layered operation.
  At the center is the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, founded in 
  1947 by Rees to supersede the old clinic.  Unlike the clinic, which has 
  only informal relations with other institutions and members of the 
  "network", the Institute from its inception moved to establish direct 
  relations with like-minded individuals and institutions in other 
  countries, most notably in continental Europe and especially in the 
  United States. Funding for the project came from the British government 
  and from the Rockefeller Foundation, and a number of large corporations 
  such as Unilever.  

  For the operation to be successful, it was required that new institutions 
  be created to train social controllers in the "Tavistock method".  These 
  controllers were to create yet another layer of institutes to spread 
  Tavistock's ideas throughout the population.  

  

  On the other side of the Atlantic, the Tavistock network had as its core 
  group the circle around Kurt Lewin, the German emigr psychiatrist who 
  developed the field theory of psychiatry and its corollary, the concept 
  of group dynamics.  

  

  It was these credentials of the Lewin group that identified them as the 
  key American collaborator of the Tavistock crowd.  Like Rees, their 
  concern was the use of wartime psychological warfare techniques for 
  peacetime "mind control".  

  Even before the war ended, Lewin's group began planning for postwar 
  activity.  In 1944, Lewin established the Center for Research in Group 
  Dynamics at MIT while simultaneously setting up the Commission on 
  Community Interrelations for the American Jewish Congress. The former was 
  to be a base of domestic operations for the Lewin group similar to 
  Tavistock. Its key personnel, including Gordon Allport, Dorwin Cartwright 
  and Rensis Likert, were seeking to "multiply" themselves--to create a new 
  generation of controllers schooled in Lewin's small-group brainwashing 
  techniques.  The CCI, on the other hand, was one of the first 
  sophisticated projects in racial and ethnic profiling dealing with the 
  question of cultural assimilation.  While the CCI received money from the 
  AJC and similar funding conduits, the CRGD received its funding from both 
  MIT and private grants, including the U.S. Navy.  
  
  
    
  In 1966 the Science Policy Research Unit (SPRU) was set up at Sussex 
  University in England. The SPRU is cited in the book the Handbook of 
  Future Research (1978) as the mother institution for all comprehensive 
  "future oriented" research in the postwar period.  The SPRU incorporated 
  Tavistock's group dynamics and related social manipulation techniques 
  into policy planning.  It quickly established itself as a principal think 
  tank and training institution for other future-oriented planning 
  centers.  As such, the SPRU was able to locate--or as referred to in 
  military parlance "second"--key Tavistock agents into planning positions 
  in major European centers.  Significantly, such planners are aided in 
  proliferating these techniques among government and corporate layers by 
  Tavistock personnel who ran seminars for SPRU.  

  By the 1970's, no major center for long-range planning, either private or 
  public, had avoided the long arm of SPRU. It is important to note that 
  the SPRU has done direct contract work for the NATO command and that this 
  relationship, while the details may be classified, is nonetheless a 
  widely acknowledged fact.  

  The parallel U.S. institution to the SPRU is the Institute for Social 
  Research at the University of Michigan. ISR is the product of the 1947 
  merger between the Survey Research Center founded in 1946 by Lewinite 
  Rensis Likert and the Center for Research in Group Dynamics headed by 
  Dorwin Cartwright which moved from MIT following Lewin's death.  The ISR, 
  along the Tavistock model, is the most "Action-oriented" psychological 
  institute in the U.S.A., conducting a myriad of project studies in every 
  aspect of social life.  Of particular significance is Rensis Likert, who 
  functions as director of the Survey Research Center, described as the 
  preeminent social profiling institution in the U.S.A. Likert and his 
  staff, through their connections to other polling services, such as the 
  Gallup Poll and Harris Poll, have the ability to get instant readings on 
  the population's response to policy intitiatives, and to reshape 
  response.  More importantly, Likert has trained or supervised the 
  training of market researchers for major corporations, including General 
  Motors and Ford, thereby playing a role in determining what products will 
  be placed on the market and when.  

  The Institute for Social Research, set up with original funding from the 
  National Institute of Mental Health, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the 
  Department of Navy now does contract work for well over a hundred of the 
  nation's "Fortune 500" firms.  In addition, the ISR has effectively taken 
  over the "education" departments of several major unions, most notably 
  the United Auto workers, drafting worker education plans and plans for 
  dealing with in-plant troublemakers, drug addicts, and alcoholics.  

  ISR exists as a key American resource for the Tavistock cabal.  

  At present the ISR command structure is in the hands of former Lewin 
  students: the institute's director is Alvin Zander, the CRGD is headed by 
  Dorwin Cartwright, while the Survey Research Center is still headed by 
  Rensis Likert. 

  The third institution is the National Training Laboratories, founded in 
  1947, by Ronald Lippett, Kenneth Danne, and Leland Bradford, all students 
  of Lewin, with funding from the Office of Naval Research, the Carnegie 
  Corporation and with direct assistance from Tavistock. Its staff comes 
  from the Michigan ISR and from Tavistock. From its inception, NTL had one 
  mission--to put as many key leaders of society as possible through 
  Lewinite small group brainwashing sessions and to guarantee that these 
  methods were applied in educational systems and in corporate 
  environments.  The NTL, which eventually became the NTL Institute of 
  Applied Behavioral Science, set out to train a new circle of 
  "controllers". This was done through a series of "workshop seminars", 
  some on site at corporate headquarters, or at the NTL mansion at Bethel 
  and later in Florida. The hallmark of NTL "training techniques" was the 
  so-called T-group sessions, which were more generally popularized towards 
  the end of the 1960's. The encounter groups stressed the development of 
  "organizational" identities, with NTL group leaders infusing values into 
  the flaccid minds of the participants.  Special emphasis is made on 
  techniques for establishing "non-coercive" small group sessions for all 
  levels of corporate management and in using "group dynamics" as a basis 
  for planning "new responses" to "discontinuous developments" in corporate 
  existence.  

  From the mid-1950's on NTL has run similar sessions for the U.S. State 
  Department, the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Civil Service Commission. Each of 
  these seminars or consulting projects has involved input from Tavistock, 
  which has drafted portions of the NTL program.  From 1964 onward, the NTL 
  became a direct part of the National Education Association, the largest 
  organization of teachers in the United States with membership of more 
  than 2 million.  The NTL institute is funded by the NEA as well as the 
  U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare, and drafts programs for 
  the training of the nation's primary and secondary school teachers.  
  Under the NTL's supervision, the NEA has set up "group sessions" for its 
  affiliates and pushed such educational "reforms" as the open classroom.  
  Here, as in other NTL operations, Tavistock has had its input in a 
  massive and major way.  

  The NTL has spawned literally hundreds of similar institutions around the 
  country, including the establishment of a West Coast base of operations, 
  the Western Training Laboratories in Group development.  The NTL 
  Institute has no firm figure on the number of Americans that have gone 
  through its "group dynamics" program or spin-offs at satellite 
  institutions.  All estimates place the figure at well over one million.  

  The Tavistock network does not stop here.  In another location, we show 
  the development of a California nexus.  The network goes even farther.  
  The Center for Research in Group Dynamics was set up as part of the Sloan 
  School of Business Management at MIT; Lewin operatives such as Gordon 
  Allport worked out the School of Business and its management division at 
  Harvard.  

  The point is that Tavistock controls the key business schools and related 
  think tanks around the country (world). The case of Eric Trist is 
  exemplary.  Trist came to this country from Tavistock in 1960 after first 
  heading Tavistock's management division and then its human resources 
  center.  

  Trist then proceeded to make some assigned rounds.  In 1960-61 he headed 
  for the Stanford Center for Advanced Behavioral Sciences, where he joined 
  fellow Tavistock operatives Bertram Gross, Fred Emery and Dorwin 
  Cartwright in solidifying Tavistock's West Coast operations; then he 
  headed for Case University in Cleveland where he spent 1964 establishing 
  a Tavistock management program; from 1967-71, Trist was seconded to the 
  chairmanship of the graduate business school at UCLA; and finally, in 
  1971, Trist "landed" the chairmanship of the University of Pennsylvania's 

  Wharton School's Management and Behavioral Science Institute. The Wharton 
  School, one of the leading economic think tanks in the country, is 
  effectively a branch of Tavistock.  

  Since 1965, Trist has been directly involved in establishing a network of 
  primarily corporate-linked psychological "problem solving" operations 
  that are grouped under the heading of Organizational Development. There 
  are two levels to this operation.  At one level on the shop floor in as 
  many as 500 factories, schools, etc., OD is a sophisticated 
  small-group-oriented, brainwashing project.  Through the application of 
  controlled stressful situations, workers and employees are "broken from 
  their individualism" and given a "team spirit".  They are then "allowed" 
  in "consultation with management" to set their own working rates, which 
  Trist has found are "higher" than normal.  In short, they are induced to 
  speed themselves up.  The program is coordinated directly with ISR and 
  the NTL Institute. Wharton publications speak highly of the way such 
  methods "increase productivity".  

  On a second level, OD deals with training corporate management in using 
  these techniques.  

  An NTL brochure describes a course in the Tavistock model of group 
  dynamics: "This model provides participants with opportunities for 
  increasing their understanding and awareness of group processes, with 
  particular emphasis on the covert dynamics which occur in groups with 
  regard to the issues of authority, leadership and followership.  

  "The learning focus is upon groups rather than individual personalities.  
  This perspective is emphasized in order to facilitate a new understanding 
  of institutions, organizations and communities.  The focus of the staff 
  is upon the major problems of group life--those encountered in the 
  exercise of authority based upon competence, power or both.  It is 
  assumed that people who understand something about the nature and 
  exercise of their own authority, as well as that of others, are thereby 
  equipped to deal more effectively with these issues as encountered in any 
  work setting."  

  


-Steve Crocker


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Subject: Re: Tavistock Institute - Brainwashing Center
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In article <1992Aug31.075033.6932@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>One of the difficulties in posting material originally written by someone
>else is that it is difficult to respond to criticism of the piece.

fair enough, I`m merely criticising the information 
presented here

>  The 
>  New Left, the Vietnam War and the antiwar movement were all 
>  social-engineering projects.  The Watergate scandals, environmentalism 
>  and the slow and deliberate destruction of American technology were also 
>  preplanned social-engineering projects.  

   on what evidence.

>  Our researches identified this powerful group with certain old 
>  aristocratic families in England, the United States and Canada witch 
>  control, for purposes of social manipulation, the world's $200 billion 
>  drug traffic.

An interesting proposition. Actually most of England's aristocratic 
families are nowadays fairly enfeebled. The U.S. is very different.
The common bloodlines amongst almost all U.S. president up to Reagan,
I believe, are startling - sort of a family business. Drug traffic
for social manipulation ? They'd do a lot better re social manipulation
if they legalised it, but then 200 billions a pretty nice bonus.

During World War II, Tavistock was the 
>  headquarters of the British Army's Psychological Warfare Bureau which, 
>  through the arrangements of the British Special Operations Executive,

believable, probably true

>  also dictated policy to the United States Armed Forces in matters of 
>  psychological warfare.  

dictated ? advised perhaps.

>  Toward the end of the war, Tavistock personnel took over the World 
>  Federation of Mental Health and the Psychological Warfare Division of the 
>  Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) in Europe. 

Yeah, big deal. So some people from the Tavistock switched jobs.
Happens all the time.

>  Other important colleagues of Kurt Lewin, including Eric Trist and John 
>  Rawlings Rees of Tavistock, as well as H. V. Dicks, W. R. Bion, and 
>  Richard Crossman, took the personnel from the Strategic Bombing Survey, 
>  the Committee on National Morale and the National Defense Resources 
>  Council, and from this pool founded the Rand Corporation, the Stanford 
>  Research Institute, the Wharton School, the National Training 
>  Laboratories, the National Institute of Mental Health and others.  

O.K., so the Tavistock played a role in starting the careers of
people who then went on to hold influential posts elsewhere

>  The United States government started contracting multimillion-dollar 
>  projects with all these outfits.  Over a period of thirty years, tens of 
>  billions of dollars have been allocated by the federal government to fund 
>  the work of these groups; other tens of billions of dollars found their 
>  way into these institutions from private foundations.  

Evidence for this should be freely available, for those of
you lucky enough to have a F.O.I act.

>  Over the years, these institutions grew and the scope of projects they 
>  contracted grew.  Every aspect of the mental and psychological life of 
>  the American people was profiled, recorded, and stored into computer 
>  memories.

Actually, it is the paucity of machine-readable psychological data
rather than its ubiquitousness that is surprising, especially 
considering the now easy availability of the technology.

>  Close cooperative relations were developed between these think-tanks and 
>  the U.S.A's key polling organizations and the major media.  Gallup Polls, 
>  the Yankelovich-CBS-New York Times polls, the National Opinion Research 
>  Center and others are incessantly conducting psychological profiles of 
>  the entire population, sharing them for evaluation and processing with 
>  the ubiquitous social psychologists.  What the public sees printed in the 
>  newspapers as opinion polls is only an infinitesimal portion of the work 
>  that the pollsters do.  

see above. One of Psychology's problems is the lack of QUALITY data,
not it's incessant availability. The Gallup stuff is well done, for what
it is, but if you want to test any reasonably interesting hypothesis
you usually have to go and get your own, at least if you want to make
sure it's done properly.

>  In the deeper 
>  recesses of the intelligence establishment in Washington, veteran 
>  intelligence officers refer to this awesome group, in   hushed tones and 
>  mysterious language as the "Committee of Three-Hundred". The group prefers 
>  to be called "The Olympians". These are the real power in the land, the
>  deployers of our social engineers and social psychologists.

this is great. do they really do this ?

>  Before you howl "incredible", you ought to review the technical study 
>  that was prepared in May 1974 by the Stanford Research Institute, whose 
>  contents were later used in popularized form in Marilyn Ferguson's book.  
>
>  The study is entitled CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN, Contract Number 
>  URH(489)-2150. Policy Research Report No. 4/4.74, prepared by SRI Center 
>  for the Study of Social Policy, Willis Harman, Director. Dr. Harman later 
>  personally coached Marilyn Ferguson in writing her popularized version, 
>  THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY. The 319-page mimeographed SRI report was 
>  prepared by a team of 14 researchers and supervised by supervisory panel 
>  of 23 controllers, including anthropologist Margaret Mead, psychologist 
>  B. F. Skinner, Ervin Laszlo of the United Nations, Sir Geoffrey Vickers 
>  of British Intelligence and others.  

I'll get this ASAP

>  A leaderless but powerful network is working to bring about radical 
>  change in the United States.

How do they decide what to do ? A democratic conspiracy ?

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>  The brainwashing specialists of the Tavistock network internationally 
>  went to work.  The era of government by "crisis management" had arrived.  
>  Some basic things ought to be said now about the social-engineering 
>  technique of "crisis management". 
>
> KURT LEWIN
>
>  The technique derives from the "topological psychology" doctrine of Dr. 
>  Kurt Lewin, the seminal theoretical influence in the entire field of 
>  social-psychology, the patron-saint of all the Tavistock-related 
>  think-tanks and the man upon whose theories the psychological warfare 
>  battles of World War II were fought.  
>
>  To summarize the matter of Lewin's doctrine in chunks manageable by the 
>  layman: all psychological phenomena occur in a domain defined as 
>  "psychological phase space" or "life space".  This space is composed of 
>  two interdependent "fields", the "environment" and the "self". Life space 
>  is the domain in which human behavior occurs.  Behavior depends on both 
>  environment and self or B = F(E.P.) (Behavior is a function of 
>  Environment and Person.) 

The jargon's a little odd, but yeah, this is the basic interactionist
position. It's just a shame that outside of the lab (and usually inside
the lab) it is very difficult to take account or measure either.

This is accompanied by a tremendous amount of 
>  misplaced emphasis on mathematical/topological interpretations of 
>  psychological relations, none of which makes any contribution to 
>  scientific knowledge, 

if it was any practical use, it would make a massive contribution to
human knowledge

>  but is admirably suited for transforming 
>  psychological problems into computer-programmable problems.  This was 
>  promptly done.  

Aha. I've got a degree in Psychology (does that make me 
one of them?) and am about to receive one in AI. This 
is rubbish. If it's been done, by whom, where are the 
references, and can I ftp it from anywhere ;-)

>  The concept of "controlled environment" arose from the common-sensical 
>  observation that if you have a fixed personality (one susceptible to 
>  being predictably profiled), and if you want to elicit from this 
>  personality a particular type of behavior, then all you have to do is 
>  control the third variable of the equation and thus produce the desired 
>  behavior.  This was the standard social-psychology formula used for years 
>  in every type of situation from labor negotiations to army 
>  counterinsurgency operations, to important diplomatic maneuvers, until 
>  apparently sometime in the 1960's. 

Err, I don't think so. For years social psychologists argued themselves
blue in the face about whether it was the person or the environment
responsible for this or that. Social psychology theories are usually 
consideably more sophisticated than you seem to think, and a lot
more useless in practical situations (except in a statistical sense
of course)

>From that point on the greater 
>  emphasis of social-psychology practice and theory was placed on the 
>  problem of using the technique of controlled environment to produce not 
>  the desired B (behavior) but the desired P (personality) in the 
>  equation. 

Did it. No-one ever told me.

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>  Over the course of the last 35 years, an invisible army has been deployed 
>  into place in nearly every corner of the globe.  It is an army of 
>  professionals, buried deep in the universities and think-tanks, whose 
>  names and faces are unfamiliar to most citizens. They are dedicated to 
>  one purpose--TO REDUCE MANKIND, THROUGH THE USE OF ADVANCED TECHNIQUES OF 
>  PSYCHOLOGICAL warfare TO TAME, EASILY CONTROLLED BEASTS.  

Wow

>  THE TAVISTOCK "MOTHER" 
>
>  The "mother" institution for this network of psychological warriors is 
>  the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations located in London, England. 
>  While the name of the institute is unknown to all but certain members of 
>  this psychological profession and their students, 

yeah, it's real secret. I decided to find out exactly where it 
was. I thought it was in the center, but I suppose that they were
originally at Tavistock square and then moved. Maybe this is just
a sub-branch

It's at 

                 120, Belsize Lane,  
                 London, NW3

                 The telephone number is 071-435-7111

I don't often dial international but I think from the states you
add 44 to the start of the number, and omit the leading 0 ?



>  "Tavistock method" was Brigadier-General John Rawlings Rees, an intimate 
>  of Margaret Mead, Gregory Bateson and Kurt Lewin who became the clinic's 
>  director in 1932. Rees's contribution to psychology, to put it crudely 
>  but accurately, was that he recognized that the same techniques used in 
>  psychotherapy to cure an individual of his neuroses or psychosis could be 
>  applied to make him sicker.  Rees proposed to deliberately induce 
>  controlled forms of neurosis, or even psychotic behavior.  

I'm on shakier ground here, but this all sounds dodgy. When I'm next 
down in the Smoke, I'll check it out.

>  But it was the war that gave Tavistock its biggest boost.  It is 
>  absolutely no exaggeration to say that Rees, from 1938-42, proceeded to 
>  take over the effective command of the British Army. 

I doubt that

> The military, 
>  according to Rees, was the ideal place to test out his theories.  "The 
>  army and other fighting services form rather unique experimental groups 
>  since they are complete communities and it is possible to arrange 
>  experiments that would be very difficult to do in civilian life."  

yup this is true. You can do lots of things with soldiers that
you can't with volunteers - limits the validity of your results,
but you can't have everything

>  The point is that Tavistock controls the key business schools and related 
>  think tanks around the country (world). The case of Eric Trist is 
>  exemplary.  Trist came to this country from Tavistock in 1960 after first 
>  heading Tavistock's management division and then its human resources 
>  center.  

Howso, all that has been shown is that the Tavistock has been highly
influential. Rees sounds like a bit of a nutter, if what you claim is
true, but I don't see that Lewin or many other people are implicated.
Look at any rapidly developing field of science and you'll see that same
pattern of movements over the last 40 years. Look at the Los Alamos
crew, for example. There are much much better examples of psychological
manipulation about (Stanley Milgram's obedience stuff, for example).

Psychology, psychologists, and (especially) psychistrists have
caused their fair share of harm. But the science is not yet
advanced to the state where the sort of mass manipulation your 
talking about is viable - Do X, and you'll get Y.

Almost all the research you've discussed is useable from either
perspective - as a (fairly unreliable) guide to brainwashing,
or as a warning that it MIGHT work.

>  An NTL brochure describes a course in the Tavistock model of group 
>  dynamics: "This model provides participants with opportunities for 
>  increasing their understanding and awareness of group processes, with 
>  particular emphasis on the covert dynamics which occur in groups with 
>  regard to the issues of authority, leadership and followership.  

This is psycho-speak for a course which will teach you
very little you didn't already know, or couldn't have found out
by reading an undergrad textbook, and some collected readings.

This must be a nice little earner' for whoever runs the course
What do they charge ? $200+

>  "The learning focus is upon groups rather than individual personalities.  
>  This perspective is emphasized in order to facilitate a new understanding 
>  of institutions, organizations and communities.  The focus of the staff 
>  is upon the major problems of group life--those encountered in the 
>  exercise of authority based upon competence, power or both.  It is 
>  assumed that people who understand something about the nature and 
>  exercise of their own authority, as well as that of others, are thereby 
>  equipped to deal more effectively with these issues as encountered in any 
>  work setting."  
>

my proper e-mail address is frankred@cogsci.ed.ac.uk This account
dies on October the 5th.

There are plenty of real bogeymen in the world without picking
on these poor saps. Most TV is shite, and Biased, and I think 
this matters. Maybe the people who think they're pulling the strings
did lift some techniques from communication research. Let's hope
so, because psychology right now is about where physics was before
Newton, especially where mass social manipulation is concerned.

        just my 2 cents worth,
                                  Martin.


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In an article here
dated Wed Aug 26 00:12:00 1992
NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
(Chip Berlet) writes:

>Folks, try some intelligent analysis. Any large academic study of fascism
>will give a far more complex definition than authoritarian repression by
>a government. The major academic work on Liberty Lobby by Mintz, for example,
>discusses at great length the fascist tendencies of the group and the role
>it plays in bridging the neo-Nazi right and the reactionary right. The major
>error you folks are making about fascism, is that it is widely recognized that
>there is a dramatic difference between fascism as a political movement, with itspopulist and pseudo-radical appeals to the middle and working class, and the
>brutul form it takes when it gains state power.

Well, I can't speak about the Liberty Lobby, but there is a problem applying
this principle to LaRouche. To maintain a fascist government, it is necessary
to have available a gang of thugs organized to carry out the fascist 
program. Now Larouche's organizing perspective has always leaned toward 
"cadre building" at the expense of "base building", probably because of his
long standing belief that at the point of the capitalist breakdown crisis,
the base would essentially build itself, while the existence of a trained
cadre of leaders would be essential in directing the development ferment 
AWAY from its potential for fascism. Thus, anybody who is in significant
contact with the organization will be viewed as potential cadre, and will 
be treated to major doses of the underlying philosophy of the organization.
In this environment, it is virtually impossible for an organization to 
pretend to be one thing while in fact being another. You CANNOT train your
cadre to an in-depth understanding of the need for a high standard of 
living for working people, and then expect to use them to administer
fascist austerity when state power is seized. You cannot train them to
love and celebrate the poet Schiller's stirring defense of the 
"inalienable rights of man" and then expect them to follow you in 
tearing up the Constitution. (Contrast this to David Duke, a fascist by
anybody's standards, who has no cadre to speak of, and creates his base 
through manipulation of his media image. Duke has no philosophical depth,
and nobody follows him because they are intellectually convinced of the
rightness of his ideals. That is the kind of stuff fascist movements are
actually made of.) There is a lot of LaRouche's program that progressives
would be expected to criticize and oppose, and I would love to see a debate
on the pros and cons of what LaRouche actually wants to accomplish. But to
imply that he's doing some kind of ideological "bait and switch" simply
doesn't hold water. If you want to know how LaRouche thinks, READ LAROUCHE!

>  Please read Hannah Arendt on "The Origins of Totalitarianism" and her
>careful discusion of Fascism as a political movement: it sounds just like the
>appeals of LaRouche and Liberty Lobby: no surpise, both are fascist movements.
>Please recall that as movements, fascism in Italy and Germnany attacked the
>regimes in power as corrupt, and promised to represent the average person
>against the elites.
 
Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time for serious reading. Perhaps you 
could summarize Arendt's main points for those of us who are in the same
boat. From what you say here, it would appear that this analysis of fascism
focuses on political STYLE rather than CONTENT. I think this is incorrect. 
LaRouche has stated repeatedly that the content of a fascist program
consists of the imposition of austerity, thus slashing the living standards
of the working class, in response to a financial crisis. LaRouche has 
consistently denounced fascist austerity and proposed to resolve the financial
crisis through debt reorganization combined with massive amounts of new credit
to be invested in infrastructure and high technology capital goods. This 
would allow the workers to prosper, not suffer. The content of this program
is not only NOT FASCIST, it is explicitly ANTI-FASCIST. If you wish to 
present a different view as to the content of a fascist program, or to 
argue that in fact fascism is defined by style, not content, I would be
interested to hear it.

> Sorry suckers, you're falling for the con again. I would have thought
>thinking folks would not make the same error twice...at least not in
>the same century.
>  I will post a lengthier discussion I co-wrote on LaRouche in a new
>topic.

It's certainly lengthy. I hope to be able to read it and eventually
respond to at least some of the points raised.

>  And please do some reading in a real library, not just issues of
>LaRouchian and Liberty Lobby screed.

But don't imagine you know what LaRouche's program or philosophy actually
is until you have read it "from the horse's mouth". Media coverage of
LaRouche's program is abysmal.


>George Seldes, author of "Sawdust Caesar," first biography of Il Dulce:
>"This guy LaRouche is pushing the same line as the Italian Fascists, it's
>Italian Fascist Economic theory...anyone can see that."
>   (Interview with Seldes at age 96 at his home in Vermont, 1986)

Did he identify what the content of that line was?

>-Chip Berlet
Steve Crocker

>Sued twice by LaRouche for calling him a fascist...LaRouche lost both cases.
>One was a jury trial...they did their homework...why don't you?

What was their homework assignment - reading Dennis King's book? Or 
perhaps a reprint of "The Want to Take Your Drugs Away?"

"They want..."


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>But don't imagine you know what LaRouche's program or philosophy actually
>is until you have read it "from the horse's mouth". Media coverage of
>LaRouche's program is abysmal.

If you don't believe this, check out Time Magazine sometime in January
of this year, in which LaRouche was referred to as a "wild-eyed
libertarian".  This is a Big Lie in the Hitler style, kind of like
calling Rush Limbaugh a "wild-eyed feminist".

Since LaRouche is operating within the Democratic Party--and
successfully, too--it figures that The Media, with its pro-Democratic
bias, would want to disown him, so they spread the urban legend that
LaRouche is a libertarian.  This is the equivalent, for the libertarian
movement, of the "blood libel" (get a book on Antisemitism and look it
up in the index).

LaRouche is an even more rabid Prohibitionist than Bush (although
Gingrich would give him a run for his money); libertarians advocate
the total end of drug prohibition.  LaRouche is an even more rabid
protectionist than Buchanan and the Democrats; libertarians advocate
the complete AND UNILATERAL end of all trade barriers (LaRouche has
actually traveled overseas and told groups of workers there to lobby
for trade barriers to keep out AMERICAN goods!).  LaRouche yearns to
get his hands on the controls of the inflation machine (Federal
Reserve) created by the Repbulicrats; libertarians think the Fed is
a total crock.  LaRouche advocates concentration camps ("quarantine")
for AIDS victims; as for the libertarian opinion of this idea, every
curse you have ever heard is hereby included by reference.

LaRouche is thus ideologically much closer to the reigning Repblicrat
Party than to libertarianism.  He advocates massive State intervention
into the economy, and massive violation of individual rights of privacy.
That is close enough to Fascism for me.

I would not mind more accurate coverage of LaRouche, if only to stop
this idiotic rumor about how the creep is a libertarian.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
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that referencce to an unfortunately "respected" -in some circles-- source.
   What M U S T  always be addressed in political analysis is: toward what
telos or end is all of this functioning.  FASCISM  always everywhere (from
1922 Italy, 1923 Bulgaria ,  1933 Germany, etc)  has intense AUSTERITY as
its directing goal.
    In Germany it was the trusted-by-the-workers Sociakl Democratic Party which
inaugurated the austerity in the 1920s and did not fight the National
Sociualist German Workers' Party --NAZI--until too late.
    Now the defining thing about LaRouche--the ABSOLUITELY SALIENT thing--
is that he is against austerity and for economic and intellectual growth.
    A little SERIOUS thought then makes the La-Rouche-is-a Nazi nonsense from
spaced-out and intelligence community controlled former scribbler for HIGH TIME
Chip Berlet look like the raving propagandidt he is.
   If you support the marijuana/cocaine/crack culture and its advocates,
then you'll probably go with Berlet.
    If you think Mussolini was not a Fascist, not a Totalitarian then you'll
probably hold that LaRouche IS.
   One think is for sure: LaRouche and Mussolini (whom the Liberals just loved
in the 1920s and 1930s)  are direct enemies.
 


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In alt.activism, NLG Civil Liberties Committee  writes:

> The major academic work on Liberty Lobby by Mintz, for example,
> discusses at great length the fascist tendencies of the group and the role
> it plays in bridging the neo-Nazi right and the reactionary right. 

Would you mind sharing the specifics with us?

>   Please read Hannah Arendt on "The Origins of Totalitarianism" 

No time. Would you mind sharing the specifics with us?

> fascism in Italy and Germnany attacked the regimes in power as corrupt, 
> and promised to represent the average person against the elites.

Liberty Lobby's "Spotlight" does this also. I don't understand how blowing
the whistle on corruption and representing the average person against the 
elites is fascist. For example, the "Spotlight" was one of the first 
publications to alert readers to the Savings and Loan scandal. How can that
be bad? Furthermore, Democrats and presidential candidates say
they'll represent the average person against the elites. Are they fascist
too? I don't think so. There might be a fascist under your bed though. Look
out! ;-)

>   I will post a lengthier discussion I co-wrote on LaRouche in a new
> topic.

Please do.

> George Seldes, author of "Sawdust Caesar," first biography of Il Dulce:
> "This guy LaRouche is pushing the same line as the Italian Fascists, it's
> Italian Fascist Economic theory...anyone can see that."
>    (Interview with Seldes at age 96 at his home in Vermont, 1986)

I'd like to learn more about it.


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In article <1296500306@igc.apc.org> NLG Civil Liberties Committee  writes:

Fascinating expose' on LaRouche.  Good stuff.  Seems to be from a
somewhat left-of-center slant, but (aside from a couple of very
strange uses of the word "conservative" here and there) seems
pretty on-target.  I'm lookin forward to coming installments.

I've always thought that LaRouche was living proof that there is no
significant difference between the bizarroid nutzo left and the
bizarroid nutzo right.
-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
mvp@netcom.com         | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
                       | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry


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It is indeed a total mischaracterisation to call LaRouche a Libertarian or
a conservative. Just because the mainstream media is incapable of describing
LaRouche in accurate terms doesn't mean that the description of LaRouche as
a fascist is also innacurate.
  To argue that since LaRouche  he is an anti-Fascist he can't be a
fascist is not logical. People lie all the time.
   In Germany and Italy, the fascist movements both promised to throw the bums
out. They both said the regimes in power were corrupt. They both claimed to
represent the interests of the working and middle classes and the farmers.
Both betrayed those promises once in power. That's the sucker punch.
  I have read LaRouche's newspaper for ten years. I have read most of the books
he has written. I do not base my opinions on secondary sources. 
  I hope that personal attacks and snidly whiplashes can be left out of this
discussion. I have posted the long article on "LaRouchians as Fascists" later
in this conference.
-Chip



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Executive Intelligence Review Press Release

         STASI AGENTS ADMIT ISSUING DISINFORMATION THAT 
                                                     
    SWEDISH LAROUCHE ASSOCIATES KILLED PRIME MINISTER PALME 

WIESBADEN, Sept. 2 (EIRNS)--In several media appearances in Sweden, an
officer of the State Security Service (Stasi) of the former German
Democratic Republic, Herbert Brehmer, has admitted that the Stasi
launched a major disinformation effort to blame the European Labor
Party (ELP) and Lyndon LaRouche for the 1986 murder of then Swedish
Prime Minister Olof Palme. The detailed confessions were made in a
front-page article published in the weekly magazine of the Swedish
Journalists' Association, "Journalisten," dated Aug. 20-26, 1992, and
in two subsequent half-hour national radio broadcasts on Aug. 29 and
Sept. 1.

The confessions of Stasi agent Brehmer provide detailed confirmation
of repeated assertions by LaRouche and the ELP that the Palme murder
was used to launch a massive black propaganda operation against
LaRouche and his associates. In the weeks after the murder, the major
news outlets in Western Europe and the Americas, as well as many in
the then Soviet bloc, indulged in an outburst of lies targetting
LaRouche. 

This slander was broadcast throughout the world by the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. The ADL, a centerpiece of
the U.S. government intelligence community's concerted action
that framed LaRouche, continued the assassination slanders this
year. In the spring of 1986, both the ADL and NBC-TV News
featured allegations that associates of LaRouche were involved in
the assassination. During the summer of 1986, Irwin Suall,
Fact-Finding Director of the ADL, traveled to Sweden exploit the
story, and wrote reports to the U.S. government. Even despite the
discrediting of the LaRouche-Palme allegations by Swedish
authorities, both the ADL and NBC ran the story in December 1986.
The U.S. government, through prosecutors in Boston, participated
in this new round of disinformation as well. 

This defamation played an integral part in the secret
intelligence warfare leading to several political trials as well as
LaRouche's imprisonment by the Bush administration on Jan. 27, 1989.

The following are excerpts from the article in "Journalisten":

"Three days after the murder of Olof Palme, Stasi officer Herbert
Brehmer and Department X were assigned the mission of planting false
tracks in the hunt for the murderer. They were to assure that the
crime could only have been perpetrated by right-wing extremists....

"The degreed historiographer Herbert Brehmer was a specialist in the
art of deceiving credulous Western journalists. He was spreading false
information about West German politicians. He planned a defamation
campaign against the Royal House. And he tried to plant false tracks
in the Palme investigation. His profession: disinformation officer at
the Stasi Department X in East Berlin....

"Three days after the murder of Olof Palme, Department X was assigned
the task of getting involved in the Swedish police investigation....

"`At my desk, I drew up the outlines of how the ELP theory would be
conduited into the Swedish police investigation. The plan was to have
a national Swedish newspaper receive an anonymous telephone call. It
was to happen already during the week after the murder.'

"As an alternative, the information would go directly to one of the
special phone numbers made available by the police for information
from the public. The content would be along the lines that the caller
'knew that the ELP had committed the crime.' In addition, he or she
had 'witnessed hectic activity in the ELP headquarters in the night.'

"`Nothing was really true, but it sounded well-informed and credible,'
Brehmer recalls.

"There were several advantages to targetting specifically the ELP. On
the one hand, the lack of evidence could be compensated for if the
newspaper reporters found something that really tied the ELP to the
murder itself. On the other hand, the planted information would
contribute to diverting attention from 'surely innocent' groups of the
left-wing, such as the Red Army Faction and the PLO....

"For the Palme case alone, Registry Department XII had selected 89
possible IMs, secret informal collaborators. All of them were
considered suitable for operations in Sweden.... Four persons were
considered especially well-suited. Two of them were IMs residing
permanently in Sweden, probably a married couple. Another was IM
I/2191/78 with 'very good connections to state and political circles
in Sweden and to leading officials of the Social Democratic Party
(SAP).' And IM I/1326/79 who had 'close relations to the Swedish
embassy in the GDR.... '

"`This information has been unknown even to me,' Brehmer says. 'But
irrespective of whether my operation underwent changes along the way
or even completely went over board, the Stasi in any case reached its
goal. I still remember how pleased we were when the 33-year-old was
arrested as the murder suspect. His contacts with the ELP contributed
to causing general disgust for the ELP. That was the only thing that
counted in March of 1986.'"

On Jan. 22, 1992, LaRouche, two of his co-defendants and his
attorneys, including former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and
Odin P. Anderson, filed a legal motion (2255) identifying the
disinformation campaign in the wake of the Palme murder as the
centerpiece of an intelligence warfare covert operation designed to
frame up LaRouche. This assertion was then dismissed by the judge as
"arrant nonsense."

The revelations now published in Sweden also corroborate the 100-page
special report published by Executive Intelligence Review in October
1986, entitled "A Classical KGB Disinformation Campaign - Who Killed
Olof Palme?"

A spokesman for LaRouche has demanded that the various print and
electronic media that have repeated this Stasi disinformation falsely
accusing LaRouche of being involved in the murder now publish a full
retraction.


----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com



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candidate defend against one charge after the other.  I want to say some-
thing in defense of LL's candidacy, against various charges I've read here,
but it should be emphasized that LL has a program of economic development,
that it's highly detailed, and (this is important with reference to some of
the charges) it includes the underdeveloped countries in its scope.
     It should be noted that LL's vice presidential running mate is the Rev.
James Bevel, a noted civil rights participant from the days of the struggles
in Birmingham, Alabama. Other noted civil rights people are in the organization
The organization (NCLC) has a long history of running black candidates for
local, state, and national office. This matter of public record ought be held
against the charges of "KKK-affiliation".
     There are numerous Jewish people in the organization, some at extremely
high levels. I know of at least one rabbi affiliated with the organization.
These facts should be held against the charge of "Neo-Nazi".
     Last, LL vociferously denounced both the invasions of Panama, and the war
against Iraq. Portraits of him as a "rabid right-winger" ought be measured
against this, and similar stands he has taken (I know Buchanan also opposed
the Iraq escapade, but other than that his stances have been obviouly pro
military involvement).
     It is not my place to speculate as to why well-intentioned people make
such charges, but it should be placed up front that LL has had a longtime
opposition to the drug-culture, whereas in the past aspects of the "new left"
have at times been sympathetic to this culture (I know this firsthand,
having lived in Ann Arbor in the 60s). Early oppositions are sometimes hard
to overcome.


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In article <92245.094050ASEIDEL@MIAMIU.BITNET>  writes:
>candidate defend against one charge after the other.  I want to say some-
>thing in defense of LL's candidacy, against various charges I've read here,
>but it should be emphasized that LL has a program of economic development,
>that it's highly detailed, and (this is important with reference to some of
>the charges) it includes the underdeveloped countries in its scope.
>     It should be noted that LL's vice presidential running mate is the Rev.
>James Bevel, a noted civil rights participant from the days of the struggles
>in Birmingham, Alabama. Other noted civil rights people are in the organization
>The organization (NCLC) has a long history of running black candidates for
>local, state, and national office. This matter of public record ought be held
>against the charges of "KKK-affiliation".

	Larouche  is a known opportunist.  He would affiliate with
anyone.  Dennis King's book on him pretty clearly indicates that
LaRouche intelligence gathering operations peddled to whoever they could
gain from.

>     There are numerous Jewish people in the organization, some at extremely
>high levels. I know of at least one rabbi affiliated with the organization.
>These facts should be held against the charge of "Neo-Nazi".

	Fascists don't have to be anti-semitic.
	
>     Last, LL vociferously denounced both the invasions of Panama, and the war
>against Iraq. Portraits of him as a "rabid right-winger" ought be measured
>against this, and similar stands he has taken (I know Buchanan also opposed
>the Iraq escapade, but other than that his stances have been obviouly pro
>military involvement).

	So Buchanan is now all there is to the far right?  Plenty of
conservatives oppose military intervention for a variety of reasons.
LaRouche's fascism can be isolationist and still be fascist, ie rabid
or far right.

>     It is not my place to speculate as to why well-intentioned people make
>such charges, but it should be placed up front that LL has had a longtime
>opposition to the drug-culture, whereas in the past aspects of the "new left"
>have at times been sympathetic to this culture (I know this firsthand,
>having lived in Ann Arbor in the 60s). Early oppositions are sometimes hard
>to overcome.

	How about the fact that LaRouche enjoyed having his cronies
attack decrepit old members of the Communist Party with bats?  To hell
with the drug culture insinuations, LaRouche has been a negative and
divisive presence in whatever part of American politics he's reared his
head in.  He is a selfserving fascist who twists in the political wind
and stinks the place up.

	
-- 
Michael Hall    mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"If you're not revolting against work, you're working
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In a previous message here, I appeared to say:
 
 
>From: Steve.Crocker@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Crocker)
>Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
>Date: Fri Sep  4 04:18:45 1992
 
>-Steve
>(Contact me at aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu - not the address in
>the header above)
 
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
 
 
In actual fact there was a body to the message, which somehow got omitted.
 
What I said was, that one of the few things that Libertarians and 
LaRouche supporters could agree on is that calling LaRouche a 
Libertarian constitutes "blood libel". The question of precisely WHO is 
being libeled is an interesting one, however.
 
-Steve
(back at my regular site)


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Could anyone here who thinks LaROuche is fascist explain how that
evaluation is consistent with his long-standing opposition to the
death penalty? Seems a little odd for a "fascist", to say the least.
-Steve


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In article <189s6lINNnc9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Could anyone here who thinks LaROuche is fascist explain how that
>evaluation is consistent with his long-standing opposition to the
>death penalty? Seems a little odd for a "fascist", to say the least.
>-Steve

	Well, I have not got a formal background in ideological studies,
but I did spend time researching right wing politics at a newspaper I
worked at.  The most consistent definitions I have found for Fascism say
nothing of the death penalty.

	A fascist could easily conclude that the death penalty was wrong
for a number of reasons, including the difficulty it might create for
consolidating power and holding it in the face of political opposition
to a noticably murderous regime.
	
	Why do you think the death penalty is part and parcel of
fascism?  Am I missing something?

	-Mike


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The Rev. James Bevel was brought up as proof that LaRouche could not be a 
fascist. Bevel was indeed an early civil rights leader, but in recent years he
has become very opportunistic. I interviewed him in Chicago when he was being
paraded arounded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon people for his support of CAUSA,
their anti-communist group active in South and Central America. The noted
African-American columnist and academic, Manning Marable, denounced Bevel for
his alliance with fascists. Bevel began working with LaRouche several years ago.   To argue that a group cannot be racist because it has Black supporters, or
cannot be anti-Jewish because it has Jewish members, is to mistake heredity for
politics. Blood line does not determine politics, that's the argument of
eugenicists and Nazis. Biological determinism is the term. Kahane was a fascist
even though he was Jewish. What made that true was his politics of scapegoating.   What many people see in LaRouche are the promises he makes for the "average"
person. Keep an eye on which groups are scapegoated by LaRouche, which persons
populate his vast conspiracies. Key to his schemes are scapegoating of the British monarchy and Jewish banking families. It should sound familiar to anyone
who has studied the European or American fascist movements. Anglophobia and
Anti-semitism (anti-Jewish myths) are core beliefs in fascist theory in the
Eurocentric branch of the ideology, just as anti-Korean and anti-Chinese
bigotry were central to the Japanese variant.
-Chip Berlet



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families. He does attack various prominent financial interests, most of which
are not Jewish. He does not shy away from attacking those that are Jewish. I
hope those following this thread will do their own reading on this point. He
certainly does attack the British monarchy and various related interests,
most of whom are not Jewish. I don't get the comparison to the fascist elements
in Japan (in the 1930s) attacking the Chinese or the Koreans.
     I will not dispute that the Rev. James Bevel was in the company of the
"Moonies" because I have no information on this. Bevel is not the only civil-
rights figure involved with LL, and those claiming a longtime investigative
relationship to the Labor Committees surely are aware of the hostility
between the NCLC and the followers of Rev. Moon. If this statement about
Bevel is correct, I'm genuinely sorry to hear it. But I repeat: no genuinely
"KKK-affiliated" organization will have a long history (20 years) of running
many Afro-Americans for public office.
     I must agree that mixed racial makeup does not insure nonracist politics
(it counts as some prima facie evidence against it, though). But I urge that
the soul of a political movement is in its programs, particularly its economic
programs. I urge all concerned to study the programs of all groups competing
for attention. Decide for yourselves who has serious, detailed programs for
alleviating the misery of the underdeveloped sectors of the world and uplifting
the condition of humanity. All worthy of attention swear allegiance to these
principles. Those, however well intentioned, who think there are too many
people on the planet, or humanity has reached its natural limits, cannot
consistently implement these principles. Good luck to us all.


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In a message here
NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
(Chip Berlet) writes:

>The Rev. James Bevel was brought up as proof that LaRouche could not be a 
>fascist. Bevel was indeed an early civil rights leader, but in recent years 
>he >has become very opportunistic. I interviewed him in Chicago when he was 
>being paraded arounded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon people for his support of 
>CAUSA, their anti-communist group active in South and Central America. The 
>noted African-American columnist and academic, Manning Marable, denounced 
>Bevel for his alliance with fascists. Bevel began working with LaRouche 
>several years ago.  

Well, I am disturbed to find that the Reverend Bevel was working with CAUSA.
They are not my favorite people. I have to wonder whether there is more here 
than meets the eye, though. In particular I wonder what Rev, Bevel said in 
that interview as to his motives and rationale for working with that group.
I also wonder how he would evaluate that association today, looking back 
from his present perspective as a LaRouche supporter.
 
I question your calling Rev. Bevel "opportunistic" simply because he has
chosen to work with people with whom you disagree politically. People
DO sometimes change their views, even to those that you may disaprove of
rather intensely, for principled reasons based on what they actually
believe. Unless you have more to go on than you have presented, I think
that characterization is unfair and should be withdrawn. (Although I 
must admit that the likelyhood of actually being elected to the Vice
Presidency on LaRouche's ticket would be ample incentive to make an
otherwise conscientous invividual abandon his principles. Yeah, that
must be it. The opportunist Bevel has the gleam of the Vice Presidency
in his eye. Perhaps he even hopes to try for the big one in 2000. :)

The bald fact that a "noted African-American columnist and academic" has
denounced Rev. Bevel's associations fails to be impressive.

>To argue that a group cannot be racist because it has Black supporters, or
>cannot be anti-Jewish because it has Jewish members, is to mistake heredity 
>for politics. Blood line does not determine politics, that's the argument of
>eugenicists and Nazis. Biological determinism is the term. Kahane was a 
>fascist even though he was Jewish. What made that true was his politics of 
>scapegoating.

I think you mistake the structure of the arguement on this point. I cannot 
speak for the poster you are responding to, but I would say that the point
is NOT that a black cannot be anti-black or a Jew cannot be anti-Jewish.
Self-hatred is a common human emotion, and may in exceptional cases 
manifest itself as hatred of one's own root culture. The more important 
dynamic to look at is the cognitive dissonance set up in the majority 
members of the presumed fascist group as they are asked to work alongside 
and view with respect a member of the minority group which is supposedly 
being made a scapegoat. The Nation of Islam and the Ku Klux Klan did 
indeed enter negotiations aimed at tactical co-operation in areas of 
mutual interest. That is a LONG way from having members of the despised 
race as active members and leaders of the organization. To take a couple 
of prominent examples from the Chicago area, Sheila Jones is black and 
Janice Hart is Jewish (in fact I believe one of her parents was a Holocaust 
survivor). Now somebody who knew nothing of these individuals could imagine 
that they might be possessed of the kind of self-hatred that would lead to 
their active support of a fascist organization. But what of their fellow 
organizers? You ask us to imagine that these people could work with on a 
daily basis, and accept policy leadership from, (over a period of YEARS) 
individuals who they would be secretly characterizing with the N word or 
the K word. Chip, if you sincerely buy this, I think there will be a lot 
of people who want to interest you in investment opportunities. 

Additionally, what of the appeal to the masses? David Duke never had any 
black faces in his campaign (at least not in high visibility positions).
There is a simple and practical reason for this. The kind of people Duke
needed to mobilize would not have accepted it. If you are organizing a
racist group, you have to mobilize a racist constituency. That constituency
will be so turned off at seeing a black woman running for a highly visible
public office that they would laugh your group right out of the bar.

Now oddly enough, I'm NOT saying that LaRouche doesn't want to appeal to
racists. (This is not a point he has ever spoken about, I'm extrapolating
from what I know of how he thinks). There are a LOT of racists out there
and SOMEBODY is going to have their allegiance. What LaRouche DOES NOT
and WILL NOT do is to appeal to them ON THE BASIS OF THEIR RACISM. Lyn
believes that the fundamental quality that makes us human is our ability
to change and grow, as invividuals and as cultures, by reflecting on what 
we have been and identifying with the creative intelligence that brought
us where we are, and can carry us to places we have never been. The racist
has this potential, just as do all the various despised and scapegoated 
minorities. What Lyn does is to appeal to this universal quality of mind,
which is the same in a black, a Jew, a Klansman, a leftist, or whoever. 

I'll never forget as long as I live the poster he used when he ran for
President in 1976 as the U.S. Labor Party candidate. His picture over
the slogan "OUT OF WORK ? - THIS MAN CAN GIVE YOU A JOB REBUILDING THE 
WORLD". This is NOT a fascist slogan. This is NOT an appeal to hatred.
This is an appeal to the best within an individual. This is an appeal
to humanity. This is an appeal to the same impulse that caused SDS 
leader Paul Booth to say "We want to build villages - we refuse to burn 
them." And it was not a cheap throwaway line. It is a profound statement
of the LaRouche line on every social crisis from AIDS to Africa, from
South America to South Central L.A. Always and consistently LaRouche calls
for "developement". Always and consistently he says "look to the best and
most creative discoveries in science and technology and organize to USE
these technologies to better the lives of all people". Always and 
consistently LaRouche has said to peoples who have been at war with one 
another over the redistribution of poverty, "join together with your 
former enemies to turn deserts into breadbaskets, third world slums into 
towering cities of proud, educated, productive workers, and a suffering 
world of hunger and disease into an enlightened  humanity which can 
colonize the solar system and reach together for the stars."

Want an example? How about Israel? Does anybody know what the "anti-semite"
LaRouche proposes for Israel? He proposes an alliance for development of the
Mideast region among Israel and its neighbors. This would make joint use of
Israeli high technology, Egyptian skilled manpower, and oil state financing.
WHAT A FASCIST PROGRAM! :) 


>What many people see in LaRouche are the promises he makes for the 
>"average"

Well, I think LaRouche must have gone to school in Lake Wobegone, because he 
seems to think we can all be better than "average". :) LaRouche is in no 
sense a classical populist. He is an unashamed elitist. The catch is that 
he wants everybody to become part of the elite. He would like to see the 
guy on the assembly line move up to skilled trades, while the skilled 
trades worker becomes a technician or engineer, and the engineers become 
scientists. He wants to see ignorant people become educated, and people 
whose greatest concern in life was their soap operas to become active 
citizens.

>person. Keep an eye on which groups are scapegoated by LaRouche, which 
>persons populate his vast conspiracies. Key to his schemes are 
>scapegoating of the British monarchy and Jewish banking families. It 
>should sound familiar to anyone

How is this nonsense, let me count the ways. 

Scapegoating. My understanding of this term is that it refers to finding
a particularly visible individual or group and encouraging people to blame
their problems on the target. In the case of fascist political movements, 
this generally evolves into actual organized violence against the target, 
for the purpose of forging emotional bonds of shared violence among the 
rank and file of the movement, as well as striking terror into the hearts 
of anybody who might otherwise oppose the Leader and his program. The 
scapegoat is generally somebody close enough to be an accessible target, 
but different enough to be "other" in the minds of the mob. 

Scapegoating is very general in its approach. It does not allege
specific criminal acts of identifiable individuals or organizations, but
rather nebulously defined generalities. (This is different from a frame-up.
The blaming of the Reichstag fire on the Communists was a political 
frame-up, but was not scapegoating. The blaming of Germany's economic woes
on the "Jewish Bankers" was scapegoating).

When LaRouche attacks the British Monarchy, the European oligarchy,
gentile and Jewish internatioanl banking families, the International 
Monetary Fund, politicians, etc. he is specific and focussed. He states
who he is accusing and what he is accusing them of (O.K. sometimes he
generalizes in his speeches, but it is generally possible to get the
specific names of his targets by following the newspaper.) Now his 
accusations may be accurate or inaccurate, that is a separate issue. 
However, the fact that they are specific and focussed takes them out of 
the realm of "scapegoating". 

Additionally, scapegoating usually looks to simple answers to complex
problems. LaRouche's analysis of world events is, if anything, noticeably
MORE complex than the world view of Time, Newsweek, et. al.

On the issue of "Jewish Banking Families" READ MY LIPS AND GET IT STRAIGHT.
LaRouche attacks prominent banking families and institutions of Jewish and
gentile origin indiscrimately. He attacks them because of what they have
done or are doing, and the policies they stand for. Not who they are, and
certainly not because of their ethnic origin. Chip, you claim to have been
an extensive reader of LaRouche's material. If you can find anything he
or his associates have written that targets specifically Jewish banking
families, other than over the same issues of policy on which he also 
attacks gentile banking families, please identify the reference and post
some excerpts. Otherwise, out of common decency and respect for the truth,
please withdraw this characterization.

>who has studied the European or American fascist movements. Anglophobia and
>Anti-semitism (anti-Jewish myths) are core beliefs in fascist theory in the
>Eurocentric branch of the ideology, just as anti-Korean and anti-Chinese
>bigotry were central to the Japanese variant.

"Anglophobia" was also a core belief at the time of the American Revolution,
and not without cause. Even as late as the Civil War, the British openly
supported the Confederacy. If you think the British are not guilty of what 
LaRouche accuses them of, then please say so and say why. At present, your
intellectual method appears to be to refute a hypothesis based on its
superfical similarity to a hypothesis previously promoted by a group
universally known for their evil practices. This is guilt by association
on a scale that would have alternately made Joe McCarthy blush and turned
him green with envy.

>-Chip Berlet

-Steve Crocker


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	I think it's a mistake to assume that  fascism is only obtained
through violence.

	Fascism, by the definitions I understand, is the belief that the
needs of the individual are supposed to be subverted to the needs of the
state, which is the agency by which the historical purpose of the nation
is fulfilled.

	Now, since there will probably be people who don't care to go
along with that, it seems that fascism would require some violence or at
least coercion.  But _by definition_ fascism does not require violence.
Lifting Hitlerian images of repression and murder and afixing them to
our images of fascism is not unlike contemplating the excesses of
Stalinism and afixing them to our definition of Marxism.  IMHO, at
least.

	Considering LaRouche's Trotskyist past (SWP, 50's to the early
70's) one can see how he would believe his vision would so enamor the
toiling masses that they would simply welcome the new order with little
fight.  And consider Stalin's policy of "hospitalizing" criminal
elements.  He didn't need to kill them, at least not once he had
consolidated power with his purges.

	Sorry for not including the thread's previous text.  It seemed
unnecessary and confusing.

	-Mike

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In article <18ju0pINNbbc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>Well, maybe there's less here than meets the eye. My impression of 
>fascist political movements is that they organize on the basis of
>hatred, by appealing to the most ignorant and violent tendencies 
>among the masses. I would expect a fascist political leader to
>engourage blood lust among his supporters, and terror on the part 
>of his opponents. The death penalty does both. 

They also organized through the use of deception and deceit, as they
realized their agenda is simply unacceptable to the masses. Everyone here
seems to have overlooked that and forged ahead with the mistaken assumption
that fascist organizations tell us things we can actually believe.

>To organize AGAINST the death penalty, on the other hand, is to 
>appeal to reason. It is virtually impossible to speak against
>the death penalty without saying, in effect, "stop and think".
>All the arguements that have been made against the death penalty
>ask the person in the street to suspend their first reaction of
>outrage at some heinous and brutal crime and ask questions like
>"do we really KNOW this is the guilty person", "does execution REALLY
>deter further crimes, or does it just give us a self-righteous rush
>of justified vengence", and finally, "regardless of what a murderer
>has done to others, is he not also a soul o fpotential value? Is
>he not capable of acts of love and beauty just as we are capable of
>acts of depravity? Do we really want to sink to his level?"

>Somehow, it is hard to imagine a fascist constituency being 
>effectively organized to go attack some scapegoat group by
>first being encouraged to ponder such questions.

>Or is it ME that's missing something?

Yes, indeed... During research relating to the beginnings of the Nazi death
camps, one thing quickly became clear. The program to euthanize mental
patients and others was operated in the strictist secrecy. Hitler understood
full well the German people would simply not tolerate such actions, so he
deliberately kept it from them.

In short, why should anyone believe a fascist organization that claims to
oppose the death penalty? LaRouche's in particular - the man's demented
ravings frighten me, particularly when I realize that there are folks out
there who (1) not only claim to _understand_ his rants, but to _agree_ with
them. Scary stuff indeed.

>
>-Steve


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A poster here asks for further information on groups who believe
the Trilateral Commission and the CFR are conspiring to create
a one world government. Although not precisely in that vein,
the material here is closely related enough to probably be of 
interest. What follows is a repost of material I posted here a
few weeks back.


The Following material is excerpted from Lyndon LaRouche's forward
to the EIR Special Report, The Trilaterial Conspiracy Against the U.S.
Constitution: Fact or Fiction, published September 30, 1985 by Executive
Intelligence Review (the LaRouche affiliated news service).

Note that much of the discussion of the Commission's relationship
to Soviet policy will have been overtaken by events, notably the
collapse of the Soviet Union.

I have tried to scan for obvious typos, but I am typing this in
without benefit of a spell-checker. (I'm not a typist, but I play 
one on Usenet).


   The Trilaterial Commission became deservedly a target of hatred of
manu U.S. citizens, as the horrifying experience of the Trilaterial
Commission's Carter-Mondale administration accumulated into the period
of the 1980 election cmmpaign. This hatred of the Trilaterial Commission 
was a major factor in making possible the nomination and later election
of Ronald Reagan later that year - Although presidential candidate 
Reagan has forbidden continued attacks upon the Commission, since
midway during his campaign for the nomination.

   Documentation of the Commission's character was first made generally
 available by the Democratic Party figure Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., at
the beginning of his campaign for the 1980 Democratic presidential
nomination. The popular reception of this documentation led to echoing
attacks on the Commission by others. Some of the latter attacks on the
Commission, notably those circulated by the John Birch Society, were 
a disserviceto the public interest; where clarity was needed, the Birch
Society circulated widely simplistic charges which had the effect of 
muddying the real issues beyond recognition.
   Notably:

   1) The Trilaterial Commission is a "conspiracy," as is the John Birch
Society, for that matter. Throughout known history, the making of
policies of governments, and, usually, the composition of governments 
themselves, have been directly the result of a confluence of high-level
conspiracies, sometimes conspiracies dedicated to good, sometimes to
the causes of wickedness. At the top level, at least, the Commission is
accurately described as a "conspiracy." It would be absurd not to recognize
this fact, but it is almost equally absurd to make simplistic deductions
from such an isolated fact.

   2) The Commission is not a "self-contained conspiracy,"  in the sense
of being run by a small bearded band from a cellar, behind the backs of
nearly everyone else. It is merely one of many offshoots of a much broader
effort to move society in the same general directions proposed by the 
Commission. Like the private firm, Kissinger Associated, Inc., with which
the personnel and policy-initiatives of the Commission overlap most 
significantly, the Commission is merely one of numerous ventures,
launched by the same Anglo-American Liberal Establishment which 
created the New York Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

   3) The officials of the Commission often act in effect as agents of
Soviet influence, in William Pitt the Younger's now-classical sense of
the term "agent of influence. " It is misleading to the point of implicit
falsehood to describe David Roclefeller as a "communist" in either the
sense "communist" is commonly understood (and misunderstood) by
ordinary citizens, or in the sense of viewing David Rockefeller as another
Armand Hammer. Although some leading figures of the Commission are
leading back-channels to Moscow, as well as sometimes acting as agents
of Soviet influence, the Commission's softness toward Moscow, shameful
enough in itself, is not that of a KGB agent. Like much of the 
Anglo-American Liberal Establishment, the Conmmission's collaboration with
some important features of Moscow's strategic policies, is rightly assessed 
as based on common but also conflicting aims; and is also a result of the
Commission's wishful blindness towards Moscow's own true aims for its
temporary collaboration with the Liberal Establishment.

  4) Also, it is simplistic, to assume that every member of the Commission
shares the world-outlook of the Commission's officialdom. Around 
Washington, D.C., and in other regions of the world, the Commission 
represents a back-channel to political power. Various among the individuals
coopted to the Commission are happy to lend their names, because they 
believe that this cooptation may assist in their political ambitions, or 
simply provide them and their immediate associates added access to 
influence among the channels of powerful policy-making influence.

   Although the work of the officials of the Commission is 
"conspiratorial," and also wicked, in character, it is fairly described
as in the character of one among numerous "front organizations" for those
financier-family and associated interests who are controllers of the 
Liberal Establishments of the Anglo-American-Swiss-Venetian financier 
community, the same consortium of powerful families which also control the 
Socialist International, and which happen to be well represented among
the financier interests profiting from the hundreds of billions of dollars
of drug-revenues laundered annually through the international financial
system. However, many among those nominally associated with the
Commission are represented, not necessarily because they share the goals 
of the Commission'sofficials fully, or even in large degree, but merely
because the Commission represents power, and they have their reasons,
"Machiavellian" or other, to make such use of that power as suits their
private fancies.

  The essense of the Commission is: its power, the common thread of
"one-world globalism and neo-Malthusianism" predominating in its
advocacies of ploicy, and the commitment to that common thread of
"neo-Malthusianism globalism" shared nakedly enough among the
Commission's officials.

[about one page of mini-profiles covering 17 Commission members deleted]

[6 pages discussing the role of racialism in the Commission and various
historical roots deleted]

[115 pages of the Report proper deleted]



Steve Crocker
aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu


From ubc-cs!destroyer!uunet!ccs!covici Mon Sep 14 08:28:50 PDT 1992
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Subject: LaRouche:  Why I Demand an End to The Death Penalty Throuought The U.S.
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LaRouche: `Why I demand an end to the
death penalty in the United States'

{This statement was released by independent
presidential candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. on Sept.
1. LaRouche is a political prisoner at the Rochester
Medical Facility in Rochester, Minnesota.} 

   It should be well known by now, that I have strongly
denounced the use of the death penalty in the state and
federal law of the United States, and that I have expressed
my horror and opposition in respect to specific
executions, especially in the states of Virginia and
Arkansas, and have denounced these practices as a form of
barbarism from which all civilized nations, except the
United States, are retreating. 
   I give you the grounds and sets of facts as to
why the death penalty should be opposed, and then add a
comment on the significance of the resurgence of
assembly-line executions in prisons, especially of
minorities, today. 
   The first general ground, is that if we could assume
that justice were efficient in the United States--as it is
not today--why, under even those ideal conditions, we must
oppose the death penalty. First, simply: Every human being
is in the living image of God, by virtue of that divine
spark of reason which sets man apart from and above all
lower forms of life. When we execute a person, no matter
how hideous the crime they may have committed (if they
indeed did commit it), we are forgoing the possibility of
the redemption of that soul. And we must never deny, in a
Christian civilization in particular, the possibility of
redemption. 
   Secondly, also in the ideal situation: When a society
takes a person who is helpless and at their disposal, a
helpless captive, and murders that person, even under due
process of law, that society brutalizes itself as a whole,
and brutalizes those persons and agencies which we require
to execute that form of so-called punishment. Some of us
can think back to the case of Chief Justice Warren Burger,
who resigned from his position in the Supreme Court under
the pressure of his mounting, visible horror against the
parade of death penalty cases which came across his desk
following the 1976 resurrection of the death penalty. 
   Now, to the other grounds. We do not have, by any
means, an ideal system of justice. We have in the United
States, presently reported, about 2,500 persons, largely from
minority groups, who are sitting on death row, now waiting
for assembly-line butchering. And all the methods of
which I've heard for execution, whether gas chamber
(that's the Nazi method), lethal injection (which is a
liquid version of the Nazi method practiced in Arkansas),
or the brutish use of the electric chair in Virginia: All
of these are torture. This is death by torture, of the
same type done by the Nazis in gas chambers, to which
postwar objections were registered. 
   Of the 2,500 on the assembly line for mass
executions, lawyers who are expert in this area assure me
that at least 10% are unquestionably innocent, and that
probably double that number have clear, colorable claims
to innocence. That's about 500 people, of this 2,500, who
are innocent. 

               - There is no rule of law -
   Now, let's look further. Let's look at the system of
justice itself. 
   {We have no law in the United States today.} We have
prosecutors, federal and state, who in many cases
{routinely suppress evidence} which would tend to show, or
would show conclusively, the innocence of the accused in
capital and other criminal cases. We have the upholding of
these frauds upon the court by appellate courts. We
have a Supreme Court which is headed by a man, Chief
Justice Rehnquist, who is avowedly an admirer of the
Confederate Constitution, the constitution of slavery and
treason; an admirer of the Justice Taney who was the
author of the hideous Dred Scott decision; a man who is
flanked by a clever fellow, Scalia, who is cleverer than
the dumb Rehnquist, and who works to the same effect. 
   In the rest of the Court, we have a few justices who
are generally concerned about the overturning of all
respect for law in the United States, and we have other
justices, who, unlike Rehnquist and Scalia, have shown
some concern at the fact, that the horrible things the
Supreme Court and the federal courts are doing, may bring
international and national discredit upon the institution
of the federal courts themselves; where the population
will come to hold the courts themselves in contempt as
lawless bodies, which they have tended to become under the
leadership of Rehnquist, particularly, over the past seven
to eight years. 
   Oh, there are still a few justices there who are
honest; there are still a few people in the courts at all
levels who care about law; there are still a few
prosecutors who are honest--but most of them {aren't.} Not
any more. There is no longer any respect for law as we
think of the majesty of law, in the system. There's no
assurance of justice anywhere. 
   We cannot therefore believe, given the practices of
prosecutors and courts, that there is good faith in the
justice system. We cannot believe that any person reported
to us as found guilty of a crime, actually perpetrated
that crime. 
   Granted, we may know that probably most of the people
who are convicted on criminal charges, such as drugs and
so forth, are guilty--most; but an increasing number,
perhaps, are not; at least, in an increasing number of
cases, because of the nature of plea-bargaining and so
forth today, there are miscarriages of justice. And that's
rising. 
   Now, let's turn to another aspect of this thing not
directly bearing on the death penalty, but bearing on the
situation of law in general. 
   We have, in the United States today, about 500
persons out of every 100,000 of the population, in prison.
This is the highest rate of incarceration of any civilized
nation, double or more than double the rate for most
civilized nations today. We also know, from experience as
well as statistics, that the number of arrests far exceeds
the number of crimes committed against people. And we're
talking mostly about street crimes--burglary, muggings,
and so forth. So, we would have to say, that the American
people have become, perhaps, by these statistics, the most
criminal people on the face of the planet, with the
highest incidence of criminality among people of any
nation on this planet today, or any civilized nation.
We're also the worst police state in the world today, by
these statistics. Both. The most criminal and the most
police state--the most lawless in every respect. The most
lawless in the streets, the most lawless in government.
And perhaps obviously, the increase of penalties, the
increase of the death penalty, has done nothing to reverse
this, but has rather only worsened it, by brutalizing
society more and more. 
   Under these conditions of police-state rule and
spreading criminality, to continue to enforce the death
penalty, will do nothing but brutalize us still further
and will help pave the way toward the kind of fascist
dictatorship which accords with the kinds of austerity
programs coming generally out of the Congress, where they
talk about cutting wages, cutting entitlements; and the
kind of fascist austerity--Mussolini-style--proposed by
such influential people as the famous Felix Rohatyn of
Lazard Fre@aares, the man who built Big MAC in
New York, for those of you who remember that. 

                - We must cry, `Halt!' -
   We're headed into dangerous times, in which the
weakest and the poorest will be the most victimized. We
must cry, ``Halt!'' 
   Now, as to the prisons themselves. I've seen
the prisons, and I know what's in some of them. I've only
seen one prison plus a few jails from the inside, but what
I see, in probably the best institution in the federal
system, shows me the nature of the problems. Yes, most of
the people here are guilty. Not because I've seen their
paperwork, entirely--I've seen a lot of it. But because I
know them. A certain number are victims of miscarriage of
justice, either by excesses in their sentencing or because
they probably are innocent or have strong, colorable
claims to innocence. Of that there's no doubt. And there
are a few cases which, I'm sure, are outright frame-ups.
They were innocent, and the prosecution knew they were
innocent; the courts probably knew they were innocent, but
they jailed them anyway. 
   But the other thing that I see, is that there is no
program of rehabilitation of people sent to these prisons.
Worse, I don't think the people in charge of these places,
have any idea what rehabilitation would be if they were
instructed and empowered to conduct it. 
   If we put people in prison, and put them in for a
finite period of time--5 years, 10 years, so forth--we
presume that unless we execute them, we're going to return
them to the streets. And {what} are we going to return to
the streets? We're going to return people who are more
bitter, more hopeless, more desperate, than they were when
they entered prison in the first place. Because there is
nothing, nothing, in my sight, in prison, for the average
inmate who {might be} reconstructible, who might be
rehabilitatible, there's nothing offered to inspire him or
her to become a better person, or to acquire any of those
assets of personal development, by which he or she might
be better enabled to live a useful life once released from
prison. 
   In short, I think we ought to show mercy and a
concern for justice, which is lacking generally in the
political domain today. And, without denying that a crime
is a crime and a criminal is a criminal, we ought to look
at the contributing factors which make the United States
the most criminal of civilized nations today, and the
worst police state, and the nation least sensitive, on my
observation, to the need to repair damage, to heal the
sick, to rehabilitate the person who is saveable. 
  
>From Executive Intelligence Review V19, #36.


----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com



From ubc-cs!van-bc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!colten Mon Sep 14 14:50:59 PDT 1992
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Subject: Re: Why The Statue of General Albert Pike Must be Destroyed
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I didn't include the original message here because you can go
back and read the original.  If anyone can read that message
and doubt for an instant that everything that's been said
about LaRouche being a foaming at the mouth, psychopathic,
anti-semitic lunatic is true, then there's no convincing.  I've seen
dozens of his idiotic messages on here but this one hits
every button there is.  I mean the only thing left for the
guy is for his brain to burn out like a lightbulb.

He starts with the statue of some guy and moves on to 
topics like:

B'nai Brith being the "Pro-slavery" arm of American Jews,
founding the Klan, sending neo-nazis and skinheads into
Germany.

The Klan being an arm of British Intelligence, and the
civil was actually a war against Britain.

the Masons being behind all this stuff as agents for
Britain.

After that he spins off into Aristotle (bad), Plato (good),
Henry Kissinger, the Warbugs, the Federal reserve, the
income tax and his 2500 year struggle between these dark
forces behind the scenes.   There's too many things in
that message to even catalog.

Jeez.  What would really be educational would be a video
of Larouche typing or dictating this insanity. It might
be very educational.


marc colten



From ubc-cs!destroyer!uunet!ccs!covici Fri Sep 18 13:32:24 PDT 1992
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From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
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   On the 16th of September, 1992, 61 years after the opening
of the Great Depression in 1931, nearly to the day, the British
government once again plunged the world officially into a
catastrophic global economic depression. Simply said, what
happened was, it became impossible to continue to defend the
inflated value of the British pound even until the 20th of
September, when the Maastricht European monetary agreements were
scheduled to be voted up or down in France. Every effort, every
resource available, or politically available, was used to try to
pull these currencies of Europe into their existing European Rate
Mechanism system. Resources did not exist; it could not be done.
It failed. We are now officially in a new world depression, as we
were through the British floating of sterling in September 1931,
61 years ago. 
   And so far, most of the governments of the world, and most
of the political parties, including the leading political forces
in the United States, are still making the same kind of silly
mistakes which were made 61 years ago, which plunged us into the
depths of a depression then, and will assuredly do so now, unless
those policies are changed. 
   The essential thing is twofold. First, the central banking
system that has run the world, and whose chief representative
officially today is the International Monetary Fund, has failed.
It has collapsed. That monetary system has destroyed itself with
its own policies. Secondly, the world is in much worse condition,
and in a much deeper depression, today than in 1931, because of
the influence of 25 years of post-industrial thinking, combined
with the wild monetarism and deregulation that the world
associates today with a decade of greed--the decade of Margaret
Thatcher, Milton Friedman, and similar dangerous lunatics. 
   The only chance now is to follow the course that I have
repeatedly proposed--especially those policies that I have
proposed since 1980. Unless the policies that I have proposed are
adopted, the United States and the rest of the world will now
plunge rapidly into a bottomless, accelerated collapse of
unemployment and who knows what else. The shocking feature, which
requires some thought, is why we have come to the pass that only
my campaign, among the political voices in the United States,
represents any comprehension of the situation, and represents
anything resembling a sane solution to the problem now before us.
   What must be done, in short, is to carry out precisely the
policies that I have recommended over the recent years in respect
to a U.S. internal economic recovery and a global economic
recovery. We must establish national banking in the tradition of
Hamilton in the United States, or Friedrich List and others in
Europe, which are the same thing, really. We must push aside and
bring to an end the system of private central banking chartered
by governments, such as the Federal Reserve system in the United
States, the Bank of England in Britain, and so forth. If we do
not do that, the present depression will be bottomless, and it
will come on fast. 
   What we must do is to put aside every lunatic who proposes
that the solution for this situation is austerity. Those who
propose to increase taxes and cut budgets are dangerous lunatics
whose proposals, if implemented, will drive us into who knows
what--a pit of despair. 
   What must be done is what I have proposed: Nationalize
central banking to create national banks. Restore
protectionism--the American System protectionism. Issue
government currency as credit: Do not use public debt, use
Hamiltonian public credit. Issue this credit at low prices
through national banks in what is called a dirigist fashion,
selectively. All new currency in the United States will come from
one source, and only one source: the U.S. Government Treasury in
the form of currency notes issued as credit. These notes will be
loaned at very low interest rates to public projects primarily,
state and federal infrastructure projects, as I have indicated,
for the purpose of creating immediately approximately 8 million
new jobs in the public and private sectors. No service jobs--none
of that garbage; back to basics. Back to physical wealth. Back to
an industrial society. Not one penny will be issued except to
foster these physical-wealth-creating projects, and private
industries for support. 
   That in the United States will start a recovery. The same
thing is true in every other part of the world. However, to so
establish national banking means to end the power of those who
control central banking systems. It means to end the power of
those evil forces which control Mr. Camdessus' International
Monetary Fund today. This is a political fight between the vital
interests of the American and other peoples, and my enemies. 
   What has happened, my dear fellow Americans and others, is
that you, out of your cowardice, have not only allowed a corrupt
government to put me in prison, on false charges, charges
accomplished by the aid of a totally corrupt major news media,
which will not print the truth about this matter--at least so
far. Not only that, but, by going after the strongest exponent of
sanity, my voice, you have terrified and driven from the scene
everyone who might otherwise have said something sane about the
economic situation and its remedies. 
   You have created a situation where, in the United States, I,
a man held in prison--a political prisoner--am the only leading
figure who really knows what to do about the present situation,
and if you don't put my campaign up front as the leading campaign
at this time, then you will very probably suffer the consequences
of the policies of others, in which case your life will become a
living hell. 
   That is the choice that confronts you. Do you have the
sanity and the courage to do what is necessary to save yourself,
your family, and your posterity, from the effects of the worst
depression in modern history, the depression which officially
went into full swing with the events in Europe of the 16th of
September, 1992, 61 years after the collapse of the British pound
in 1931 unleashed a similar, but milder, form of the worldwide
depression that now engulfs us? 
                             - 30 -

Authorized by LaRouche/Bevel for President.

----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com



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/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
Subject: LaRouchians as Fascists!

/* Written 10:13 pm  Dec 18, 1990 by nlgclc in cdp:publiceye */
/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */
LYNDON LAROUCHE:
Fascism Wrapped in an American Flag

by Chip Berlet and Joel Bellman

3/10/89

A Political Research Associates
Briefing Paper

IN THREE PARTS

PART ONE

   Outside the Boston federal courthouse a photographer 
discretely snaps pictures of certain persons 
entering the building. In the echoing halls, 
private security guards whisper into tiny two-way 
radios. Those entering the second-floor courtroom 
pass through the gleaming arch of an electronic 
metal detector. When the main defendant leaves 
the courtroom, husky bodyguards surround him as 
he is hustled to a car waiting in the basement 
parking garage.

   The scene is from the 1987 trial of perennial 
Presidential candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. 
That trial, involving charges of credit card 
fraud and conspiracy to obstruct justice, was 
declared a mistrial due to numerous delays, but a 
later criminal indictment in Virginia saw 
LaRouche and several of his key followers 
convicted on charges involving illegally 
soliciting unsecured loans and tax code violations.

   Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is frequently 
dismissed as a crank or political extremist with 
no further explanation of his views or the 
phenomenon he represents. In a democracy based on 
informed consent, to not understand the nature of 
the LaRouche phenomenon is a dangerously naive 
rejection of the lessons of history--because 
Lyndon LaRouche represents the most recent 
incarnation of the unique twentieth-century 
phenomenon known as totalitarian fascism. 
LaRouche is hardly the first proponent of these 
views, and he is unlikely to be the last. 
Therefore there is a deadly serious reason to 
study the rise and fall of Lyndon LaRouche, the 
man who brought us fascism wrapped in an American 
flag.

 Who is Lyndon LaRouche?

   LaRouche spent his formative years in the small 
industrial city of Lynn, Massachusetts as a 
Quaker, and the past fifteen years forging a 
fascist movement out of cadre originally drawn 
from idealistic Marxist college students. His 
name became more familiar to Americans in April 
of 1986 when two Illinois followers of LaRouche 
scored primary victories--garnering the official 
Democratic Party ballot slots for Lieutenant 
Governor and Secretary of State. In repudiating 
the LaRouche candidates, the Democratic Party's 
candidate for Illinois governor, Adlai Stevenson, 
removed himself from the official ticket saying 
he could not in good conscience run on the same 
ticket with "neo-Nazis."

   With increased media coverage of the LaRouche 
network's legal difficulties and clearly unusual 
political theories, most Americans probably think 
they already know all they need to know about 
Lyndon LaRouche. Yet the picture most people 
envision when they hear of the "LaRouchies" is a 
caricature of a complicated and troubling 
phenomenon which appears more sinister than 
comical when the details are sketched in with 
information emerging from court records, a 
careful reading of LaRouche's theoretical 
writings, and interviews with dozens of former 
members, most of whom prefer not to be quoted by 
name.

   They have been called crooks, con artists, a 
cult, obsessed with conspiracy theories, a 
private intelligence army, anti-Semitic. Some 
critics have called LaRouche America's leading 
neo-fascist. A handful insist he is a neo-Nazi.

   They call themselves visonaries, 
nation-builders, walking in the footsteps of 
Lincoln, Hamiltonian Constitutionalists, 
neo-Platonic thinkers. Supporters consider 
LaRouche to be one of the great minds of the 
Twentieth Century, and the world's leading economist.

   Even his sharpest critics generally agree that 
Lyndon LaRouche himself is highly intelligent and 
well-read, with an astounding ability to garnish 
his conversation with historical references drawn 
from memory. And there is no doubt that LaRouche 
has built a multi-million dollar financial empire 
from a small publishing company and a software 
consulting firm programming Wang mainframe 
computers for the garment and trucking 
industries. The LaRouche network now runs 
publishing and information services linked 
worldwide by computerized electronic 
telecommunications systems. Estimates of the 
recent yearly gross income from the dozens of 
related front groups ranges from 10 to 30 million 
dollars, although several years of legal problems 
have apparently reduced that figure substantially.

   Under different circumstance LaRouche might 
have ended up a mental derelict drifting the 
streets--a deranged ancient mariner pressing 
tracts crammed with conspiracies into the palms 
of startled passersby.

   How did LaRouche take a handful of sincere 
Marxist student intellectuals and turn them into 
an international intelligence and publishing 
operation? How did a former pacifist Quaker end 
up sending his followers into the streets to beat 
up opponents? How did LaRouche become the guru of 
a group churning out conspiracy theories 
detailing a sinister plan by prominent Jews, 
Russian communists, and New Age Aquarians to 
manacle western culture with a new Dark Age? How 
can LaRouche claim to trace this conspiracy from 
Henry Kissinger and Walter Mondale back through 
history to the days of the Babylonian Empire?  
Why do the followers of someone so obviously 
deranged attract tens of thousands of votes in 
American election races? And why do most 
mainstream media outlets refuse to use terms such 
as "anti-Semite" and "small-time Hitler" when 
court actions have resulted in those terms being 
found not defamatory but "fair comment?"

   Unravelling the Gordian Knot that is LaRouche 
is not difficult when you realize the 
multi-faceted nature of LaRouche and his 
organization. LaRouche is the Elmer Gantry of 
American politics; mixing equal parts of cynical 
con and fanatic fervor. The terms to describe 
LaRouche can be gleaned from the pages of any 
political science textbook. LaRouche's political 
ideology is authoritarian. His view of history is 
paranoid. His economic theories are similar to 
Italian Fascism. His conspiratorial views are 
laced with racial and cultural bigotry and a 
large dose of anti-Jewish hysteria. His zealous 
stormtroopers are motivated by an internal 
organizational structure that is to politics what 
the blitzkrieg was to international 
diplomacy--that distinctive twentieth 
century phenomenon...the totalitarian movement. 
History teaches us that to ignore or dismiss such 
a person as an ineffectual crank can have 
devestating consequences.

The Long Road to Federal Court

   As LaRouche's self image and 
paranoia grew so too did his appetite for 
expensive intelligence-gathering and high-tech 
security devices. His quest for Presidential 
power made him bold. The funds needed to maintain 
LaRouche's gargantuan self-image as the world's 
premiere political economist and spymaster 
apparently forced his followers to use 
questionable methods of obtaining cash.

   The resulting over-zealous fundraising efforts 
are what caught the attention of a Boston federal 
grand jury some four years ago. In the fading 
days of his 1984 Presidential bid, when the 
cash-starved LaRouche organization was buying 
expensive commercial air-time, hundreds of 
persons found unauthorized credit card charges 
totalling tens of thousands of dollars paid to 
one of the many front groups operated by the 
LaRouche network. LaRouche says it all was a 
mistake. The grand jury thought otherwise, 
indicted several of his top lieutenants, and 
cited three of his related organizations. Law 
enforcement agents raided his Virginia corporate 
offices searching for documents to verify the allegations.

   In the course of the probe, LaRouche loyalists 
are alleged to have destroyed evidence and sent 
key witnesses out of the country. When the grand 
jury indicted LaRouche on a charge of conspiring 
to obstruct justice, he blithely told the press 
the CIA had suggested that documents be shredded 
and witnesses made scarce.

   Linda Ray, a former member of what she calls 
the "LaRouche Cult" says his followers may have 
been "the guinea pigs for pioneering the 
financial fraud in the late 1970's" when members 
with credit cards were persuaded to take out 
personal loans to finance LaRouche organizations. 
Former members say these internal loans were 
seldom properly repaid.

   According to Ray, who has written of her 
experiences, she and other "LaRouchies" staffing 
LaRouche-controlled companies often did not 
receive paychecks; the money instead was used to 
keep the LaRouche global telecommunications 
network humming. "We were told that one of the 
top priorities for meeting expenses was 
maintaining a 24-hour communications link with 
the European central office," she recalls. Other 
former members report they were under intense 
pressure to meet daily financial quotas.

   Former LaRouche loyalists, who often call 
themselves "defectors," say they were willing to 
make personal sacrifices and raise money using 
questionable methods because they were convinced 
they were part of a historic mission to save the 
world from an evil global conspiracy--a belief 
they now reject as an illusion. Intense peer 
pressure, manipulation of guilt feelings, attacks 
on their sexuality and fear are used to control 
LaRouche loyalists, say former members. The sum 
of the LaRouche organizational techniques equals 
the formula for the cult-like totalitarian 
movement defined by political scientist Hanna 
Arendt.

 From Socialist to Totalitarian Fascist

   After serving as a non-combatant in World War 
II, LaRouche firted with the Communist Party, USA 
and then drifted into the Socialist Workers Party 
(SWP) where he spent much of the 1960's. After 
leaving the SWP, LaRouche became the political 
guru of the Labor Caucus of the Students for a 
Democratic Society (SDS) until SDS voted to expel 
them in 1969. LaRouche (using the name Lyn 
Marcus) then created the National Caucus of Labor 
Comittees, which in 1972 had some 1,000 members nationwide.

   But in 1973 NCLC underwent a drastic upheaval. 
LaRouche suddenly vowed to either destroy or 
establish his "political hegemony" over the 
American left. He began talking of the need for 
rapid industrialization to build the working 
class. He talked of a historic tactical alliance 
between revolutionaries, the working class and 
the forces of industrial capital against the 
forces of finance capital. He began developing an 
authoritarian world view with a glorification of 
historic mission, metaphysical commitment and 
physical confrontation. He told reporters that 
only he was capable of bringing revolution and 
socialism to the United States, and his speeches 
began to take on the tone and style of a 
demagogue. 

   In many ways LaRouche was adopting the same 
ideas and styles which took National Socialism, 
and turned it into part of the European fascist 
movement, and eventually played a key role in 
Hitler's rise to power in Nazi Germany. In fact, 
LaRouche was denounced as a neo-Nazi by U.S. 
Communists following a series of 1973 physical 
attacks on leftists. To be precise, NCLC members 
were likened to Hitler's violent Brownshirts.

   What happened to cause this dramatic shift? 
Some say it was a dramatic incident in LaRouche's 
personal life. In 1972 LaRouche's common-law 
wife, Carol Schnitzer, left him for a young 
member of the London NCLC chapter named 
Christopher White, whom she eventually married. 
For LaRouche, it was a crushing blow. His first 
wife Janice had similarly walked out on him a 
decade earlier, taking with her the couple's 
young son.

   This personal event apparently triggered 
LaRouche's political metamorphosis. LaRouche went 
into seclusion in Europe, and defectors tell of 
his suffering a possible nervous breakdown. In 
the spring of 1973, he returned. His previous 
conspiratorial inclinations had now grown into a 
bizarre tapestry weaving together classical 
conspiracy theories of the 19th century and 
post-Marxian economics. He began articulating a 
`psycho-sexual' theory of political organizing.

   Sexism and homophobia became central themes of 
the organization's theories. A September 1973 
editorial in the NCLC ideological journal 
 charged that "Concretely, all 
across the U.S.A., there are workers who are 
prepared to fight. They are held back, most 
immediately, by pressure from their wives. . . ." 
The problem with making the revolution, LaRouche 
apparently had concluded, was that women are 
castrating bitches. One former member left in 
disgust when she was told women's feelings of 
degradation in modern society could be traced to 
the physical placement of female sexual organs 
near the anus which caused women to confuse sex 
with excretion.

   In an August 16, 1973 internal memo, "The 
Politics of Male Impotence," LaRouche told his 
followers:"The principle source of impotence, 
both male and female, is the mother. . . .to the 
extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, 
I am now confident and capable of ending your 
political--and sexual-- impotence; the two are 
interconnected aspects of the same problem. . . .
I am going to make you organizers--by taking 
your bedrooms away from you until you make the 
step to being effective organizers. What I shall 
do is to expose to you the cruel fact of your 
sexual impotence, male and female. . . .I shall 
destroy your sense of safety in the place to 
which you ordinarily imagine you can flee. I 
shall not pull you back from fleeing, but rather 
destroy the place to which you would attempt to flee."

   In a cruel sense, LaRouche was true to his 
twisted words, those members who challenge the 
increasingly macabre political and social 
theories expounded by their leader were 
confronted by loyalists as politically and 
sexually inadequate traitors to the cause.

   LaRouche also developed a fevered, 
comprehensive paranoid fantasy about the 
importance of his role in history--and a 
militant, new-found resolve to act upon it, 
wiping out all opposition to his leadership of 
the U.S. revolutionary movement. The result was 
Operation Mop-Up. Lyndon LaRouche took his sexual 
identity crisis into the streets.

   Operation Mop-up raged from May to September 
of 1973. LaRouche's followers in NCLC were 
ordered to brutally assault rivals from the 
Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and the Socialist 
Workers Party (SWP). NCLC thugs used bats, 
chains, and martial arts weapons in a campaign to 
establish "hegemony" over the American 
revolutionary movement. There were many injuries 
and some persons required hospitalization.

   "Our hearts were not in it," a former NCLC 
member says about his participation in Operation 
Mop-Up. "But with LaRouche it was all or nothing; 
the attacks were supposed to harden the 
membership." Forcing student intellectuals into 
violent confrontations was an exercise in 
self-degradation which cemented their loyalty to 
NCLC, ex-members say, Their working-class Marxism 
gave way to an unquestioning, cult-like devotion 
to LaRouche. "Most of us now find the whole thing 
was crazy," says a seven-year NCLC veteran who 
left the group in the mid-1970's. Operation 
Mop-Up, however, was just the beginning.

   LaRouche spent the summer and early fall of 
1973 obsessed with his broken marriage, brooding 
over the humiliating betrayal, according to 
ex-members. Late in December, a revelation came; 
Christopher White, having already stolen his 
wife, had in addition been programmed by the KGB, 
with the aid of the MI5 division of British 
intelligence, to assassinate LaRouche himself--in 
retaliation for Mop-Up's assaults on pro-Soviet 
Communist groups! Further, the CIA--jealous of 
LaRouche's success in uncovering a previous NCLC 
victim of KGB brainwashing--had resolved either 
to kidnap LaRouche to extract his secret, or kill 
him itself to prevent his falling into Soviet hands.

   Only LaRouche possessed the intelligence and 
perception to uncover and foil this fiendish 
plot, and not surprisingly, he alone held the 
keys for the cure--in White's case, days of 
isolation and intense pressure from a battery of 
LaRouche inquisitors. White finally caved in and 
confessed to his alleged "psychosexual 
brainwashing" by the KGB/CIA/MI5 conspirators. 
Based on tape-recordings offered by NCLC members 
as "proof," the  later 
carried a harrowing account of this so-called 
"deprogramming" session. LaRouche's revenge was 
complete; White--who had taken his wife--had been 
reduced to a repentant, sobbing psychological wreck.

   LaRouche lost no time in applying his cure. 
Any sign of restiveness or dissent on the part of 
NCLC members now became evidence of 
"brainwashing" by the KGB, the CIA, or both.

   One young woman, attempting to quit what was 
rapidly becomming a totalitarian cult, was held 
prisoner in a New York apartment by six fellow 
members in an effort to "deprogram" her. She 
somehow managed to fold a plea for help into a 
paper airplane, sailing it out the window--where 
it was found by a passerby who called the police. 
Among the NCLC members arrested were Edward 
Spannaus, a national spokesman for LaRouche who 
faced trial in the failed Boston prosecution; 
and Khushro Ghandhi, co-sponsor of Proposition 64, a 
LaRouche-sponsored California AIDS initiative 
defeated several years ago after an intensive 
public awareness campaign in which the initiative 
was widely-denouced as a witch hunt against the 
homosexual community. Other defendants in the 
Boston case were part of the NCLC deprogramming 
drive, according to former members.

   On January 3, 1974, the day the six 
"deprogrammers" were arraigned, LaRouche gave a 
long, rambling and altogether extraordinary 
speech--later reprinted in his own --laying out his theory of how 
sinister forces had secretly kidnapped and 
brainwashed his followers. According to LaRouche, 
the methods used by the KGB and British 
Intelligence to brainwash the membership of NCLC 
caused fear of impotence and homosexuality to 
immobilize each member and thus destroy their 
capability to organize effectively. LaRouche's 
pronouncements can easily be dismissed as a 
deranged conspiracy theory--but the words reveal 
his emotional and intellectual state at the time 
of the speech.

   While perhaps offensive to some 
readers, only direct quotes can fully convey the 
incredible nature and content of LaRouche's 
demented discourse:

   "How do you brainwash somebody? Well, 
first of all, you generally pull 
a psychological profile or develop one in a 
preliminary period. You find every vulnerability 
of that person from a psychoanalytic standpoint. 
Now the next thing you do is you build them up 
for fear in males and females of homsexuality, 
aim them for an anal identification with anal 
sex, their mouth is identified with fellacio. 
Their mouth is identified only with the 
penis--that kind of sex, and with woman. 
Womanhood is the fellacio of the male mouth in a 
man who has been brainwashed by the KGB; that is 
sucking penises. . . ."

   "First they say your father was nothing, 
your father was a queer, your father 
was a woman. They play very strongly on 
homosexual fears. It doesn't work on women. . . 
.Most women are to a large degree homosexual in 
this society. The relationship between daughter 
and mother is homosexual, so the thing is not 
much of a threat."

   "But to young men it is 
generally a grave threat. . fears about 
masturbation. . . .They say, `See that sheep. 
Wouldn't you like to do that to a sheep?'"

   "It's not the pain that brainwashes, it's forcing the 
victim to run away from the pain by taking the 
bait of degrading himself. This persistant 
pattern of self-degradation, self-humiliation, is 
what essentially accomplishes the 
brainwashing."

   "Any of you who say this is a 
hoax--you're cruds! You're subhuman! You're not serious. 
The human race is at stake. Either we win or 
there is no humanity. That's the way she's cut."

   LaRouche was speaking of the brainwashing plot 
he believed was being initiated against his 
followers. In fact, according to former members, 
LaRouche and his closest aides used this belief 
to justify a an internal campaign which was 
a"chain of psychological terror" as two members 
called it in their resignation letter. They 
charged the LaRouche-mandated sessions to cure 
their alleged "psychosis" were in fact an attempt 
to crush the will of "all individuals who have 
expressed political and intellectual opposition 
to the tendencies" surfacing inside the LaRouche 
organization. "What really happened," 
says a dismayed former member, "is that LaRouche 
had gone bonkers and was systematically 
brainwashing us to accept his total control over 
the organization."

   Linda Ray says hundreds of persons left the 
LaRouche organization during this period. For Ray 
and others who remained, however, LaRouche's 
increasingly bizarre and bigoted theories were 
accepted without question to avoid being 
subjected to "de-programming" sessions.

A Tactical Alliance with the Reactionary Right

   In 1974 LaRouche first began to seek contact 
with extremist and anti-Semitic right-wing groups 
and individuals in an effort to forge a tactical 
alliance in opposing imperialism and ruling class 
banking interests in general--and the 
Rockefellers in particular. LaRouche's obsession 
with conspiracy theories blossomed. Dovetailing 
with today's American radical Right and 
neo-fascist neo-populist ideologies, his theories 
of a Rockefeller-directed global conspiracy of 
banking interests found a receptive audience. 

   Yet the core followers of LaRouche still 
thought of themselves as Leftists forging a 
temporary and cyncial tactical alliance with 
`progressive' industrialists to help rebuild a 
strong economy. With a healthy economy leading to 
full employment for the working class, the 
LaRouche followers figured they could then lead 
the reconstituted working class to revolution. 
Defectors report that during this period they 
were required to study Marxist and Leninist 
tracts and participate in paramilitary training 
classes led by fellow members. 

   Having founded the U.S. Labor Party as the 
NCLC's electoral arm in 1973, LaRouche mounted 
his first presidential campaign under the USLP 
banner in 1976. His platform of "Impeach Rocky to 
prevent imminent nuclear war" garnered only 
40,000 votes, but it afforded LaRouche more 
organizing opportunities on the far Right. 
Despite its declared Marxist stance, the NCLC 
stepped up efforts, with mixed success, to 
penetrate or co-opt such groups as the American 
Conservative Union, the John Birch Society, the 
Young Americans for Freedom, and the KKK.

   Drawing upon his new contacts on the far Right 
(reportedly relying in part on Pennsylvania KKK 
leader Roy Frankhauser) LaRouche arranged with 
former CIA officer Mitchell WerBell III to 
provide the NCLC security force with armed 
self-defense training at WerBell's paramilitary 
camp in Powder Springs, Georgia. Now deceased, 
WerBell introduced LaRouche into wider right-wing 
circles including a shadowy netherworld of spys, 
mercenaries, and intelligence operatives.

   It was during this period that NCLC began to 
collect and disseminate intelligence on 
progressive groups. LaRouche publications 
frequently report their security staffers offer 
intelligence to domestic and foreign government 
agencies. While documents released under the 
Freedom of Information Act reveal that U.S. 
government agencies frequently dismissed the 
material provided by the NCLC, it was provided 
nonetheless. Legal actions against some police 
agencies have discovered NCLC material in active 
files on terrorism and subversion.

   As LaRouche's fear of persecution and 
assassination intensified he moved further and 
further into right-wing circles. His ideological 
theories were constantly being repackaged to 
appeal to his new-found friends. One shift in 
LaRouche's perception of who controlled the 
worldwide conspiracy came at the time of Nelson 
Rockefeller's death; an event which left a major 
hole in LaRouche's theoretical bulwark.

   Ever alert to exploit shifting sentiment and 
historical opportunities, the U.S. Labor Party 
began to de-emphasise Rockefeller as the 
archenemy of civilization, replacing him with a worldwide 
conspiracy under the control of the "British 
Oligarchy" and their stooge. . .the Queen of 
England. A careful reading of USLP published 
material reveals, however, that a remarkable 
number of the British and other co-conspirators 
were Jews. It is this fact that prompted several 
major Jewish groups to denounce LaRouche's 
theories as anti-Semitic.

   This turn toward a Jewish conspiracy theory of 
history came shortly after the quasi-Nazi Liberty 
Lobby began praising a 1976 USLP pamphlet titled 
 The pamphlet outlined the 
"Rockefeller-CIA-Carter axis," which was 
supposedly trying to "deindustrialize" the U.S. 
and provoke a war with the Soviet Union by 1978. 
(At this point LaRouche had not yet discarded his 
support for the Soviet Union, nor announced his 
support for "Star Wars" defense against his 
perceived threat of imminent Soviet attack.)

   In an overall favorable review of the USLP 
treatise on the Rockefeller-controlled global 
conspiracy, Liberty Lobby's newspaper, 
 complained that the report 
failed to mention any of the "major Zionist 
groups such as the notorious Anti-Defamation 
League" in its extensive list of government 
agencies, research groups, organizations and 
individuals controlled by the 
"Rockefeller-Carter-CIA" terrorism apparatus.

   LaRouche, never one to miss a cue, soon was 
running articles in his newspaper  with themes that betrayed 
increasingly bigoted view of Jews and Jewish 
institutions. By the end of 1976, LaRouche had 
completed his drift to the extremist-right of the 
political spectrum where his bigoted conspiracy 
theories linking international bankers, 
influential Jewish families, furtive KGB agents, 
and secret societes found fertile ground. 

   Soon LaRouche was expounding a view linking 
certain Jewish institutions and Zionist movements 
to a plot to destroy Western civilization and 
usher in a "New Dark Age." Linda Ray thinks that 
more recent LaRouche converts are not even aware 
of the group's real history, nor of the cult-like 
inner circle which controls the secret 
financial operations.

   Opportunistic or not, LaRouche's erratic lurch 
to the right brought gains to the NCLC in 
membership and financial strength. Yet his 
right-wing theories and affiliations are still 
opaque to many observers who dismiss LaRouche on 
the basis of his cranky conspiratorial world view 
and general lunacy.

END OF PART ONE



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LAROUCHE AS FASCIST: PART TWO

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 The Paranoid Style

   LaRouche's parlaying of personal and political 
conspiracy theories into a multi-million dollar 
financial empire is unique, but paranoid 
political movments occur cyclically in American 
history. In his widely-quoted essay "The Paranoid 
Style in American Politics," professor Richard 
Hofstadter argues that in times of economic, 
social or political crisis, small 
conspiracy-minded groups suddenly gain a mass 
following. The anti-Catholic hysteria of the 
1800's, the anti-immmigrant movement which led to 
the Palmer Raids in 1919, the Red Scare of the 
1950's and other societal convulsions, are 
examples, wrote Hofstadter.

   Such movements rise and fall periodically, 
according to Hofstadter, appealing to people 
fearful about the world political and economic 
situation, and longing for simple solutions to 
complex problems. The use of scapegoats is common 
among these movements.

   The findings of two academics who studied a 
LaRouche campaign contributor list (available 
from the Federal Election Commission) lend 
support to the thesis that LaRouche appeals to a paranoid 
constituency. In a 1986 press release, "Who 
Controls Us: A Profile of Lyndon LaRouche's 
Campaign Contributors," John C. Green and James 
L. Guth of Furman University identify LaRouche as 
"a new celebrity on the extreme right."

   "An analysis of his campaign contributors 
suggests that LaRouche should be taken seriously, 
not as a candidate, but as evidence of the 
failure--and success--American politics," wrote 
the professors.

   According to the results of the study, among 
LaRouche's contributors are a significant 
proportion of Northern neo-populist 
conservatives, "profoundly uncomfortable with 
modern America and susceptible to conspiratorial 
explanations of their distress. One seemed to 
speak for the others when he listed his major 
concern as `who really controls us?' To many of 
these alienated people, LaRouche's outlandish 
views offer a plausible answer to this question." 

According to the study:

   "Though LaRouche campaigns 
as a Democrat, most of his donors are 
independents, with the largest group `leaning' 
Republican. but ordinary people as well, 
believing that no one can be trusted `most of the 
time.' Very few say they are optimistic about 
their future or that of the country.  They are 
equally disillusioned with politics, 40% report 
having become discouraged and ceased 
participating at some point. These attitudes 
extend to current political groups as well.  
Three-quarters feel `far' from mainstream 
conservative organizations such as the Chamber of 
Commerce. Roughly equal numbers feel `close' and 
`far' from more reactionary groups like the John 
Birch Society. Uniform dislike, however, is 
reserved for liberal advocates of change; the 
ACLU, Common Cause and Ralph Nader.

   "LaRouche is most criticized for his 
political intolerance, a trait exhibited 
by his contributors. To measure 
tolerance, we asked all donors to name a group 
they regarded as `dangerous' and then asked if 
they would allow a member of that group to run 
for president, speak in a public place or teach 
in public school. Only a quarter of the 
LaRouchians would allow a member of their 
`dangerous' group to engage in all three 
activities and another quarter would allow 
none.

   "LaRouche would probably approve of their 
choice of `dangerous' groups: more than half of 
the mentions figure prominently in `conspiracy' 
theories of politics, such as communists, drug 
dealers, Jews, bankers, intellectuals and the 
mass media.  Some `conspiracies' are explicitly 
named: the `zionist-socialist movement,' the 
`international drug ring,' `cartel control of 
money' and the `post-industrial counter-culture.' 
 But other donors identify mainstream 
organizations and leaders as `dangerous,' 
including the `unilateral disarmament advocates,' 
`eco-freaks,' `Hayden and Fonda,' `socialist 
Democrats' and `big labor bosses.'

   "These kinds of attitudes occur among other 
conservative activists, but rarely to this extent. 
And the LaRouchians differ from other conservatives 
in demographic terms as well.  LaRouche's donors 
seem to be the remnant of the `small town 
America' of a generation ago. Nearly 
three-quarters were born in the Midwest or 
Northeast and more than half still live there, 
outside the major cities. Most spent their adult 
life in one or two states; the only major move 
they have ever made was to retire to the Sunbelt. 
Two-thirds are 55 or older, male, of WASP or 
German extraction, and products of [nuclear 
two-parent] families. They are not, however, 
particularly religious; most belong to mainline 
Protestant denominations and few are active 
church members. "

   The authors concluded, "it is alienated people 
who make fringe candidates possible. LaRouche 
should be taken seriously as a symptom of 
distress in a small part of the body politic.  
His limited appeal is a sign of the basic health 
of America politics."

   One historian, author George Seldes, thinks 
LaRouche has followed another seldom travelled 
but clearly recognizable historic path--the road 
from Socialism through National Socialism to 
Fascism. Seldes has authored some ten books 
concerning authoritarianism and thinks LaRouche's 
theories and style represent classic 
"Mussolini-style fascist" ideology. Seldes' 
analysis carries weight especially since he wrote 
a biography of Mussolini in 1935 titled 


 Secret Agent LaRouche

   In a sense LaRouche is a "Silicon Caesar" 
since he has risen to power through a 
sophisticated computerized telecommunications 
network which gathers political and economic 
intelligence and then packages it for 
dissemination through newsletters, magazines, 
special reports and consulting services. Former 
Reagan advisor and National Security Council 
senior analyst, Dr. Norman Bailey, told NBC 
reporter Pat Lynch the LaRouche network was "one 
of the best private intelligence services 
in the world."

   Not everyone shares the view. When Henry 
Kissinger was told of how LaRouche operatives met 
with high Reagan Administration officials in the 
early 1980's, he told the , 
"If this is true, it would be outrageous, stupid, 
and nearly unforgivable." Dennis King, co-author 
of the  article which examined 
LaRouche's influence in scientific and 
intelligence circles, says during the first 
Reagan term LaRouche aides managed to gain 
"access to an alarming array of influential 
persons in government, law enforcement, 
scientific research and private industry." These 
ties form the basis of the LaRouche "CIA defense" 
against the charges he conspired to obstruct 
justice. LaRouche claims he believed his security 
aide Roy Frankhauser, a former Ku Klux Klan 
leader and government law enforcement informant, 
was a covert conduit to the CIA.

   John Rees, an ultra-conservative whose 
 newsletter reports on 
political extremes on the left and right, 
says he "believes the  
story that LaRouche staffers had 
access to a lot of people." But he points out, 
"If you have all the electronic resources and 
information-gathering staff that LaRouche 
posesses you are bound to come up with occasional 
gems, that's what most people were interested in, 
not the LaRouche philosophy." Both King and Rees 
feel the Reagan Administration consciously began 
distancing itself from contacts with the LaRouche 
network following the  
and NBC stories.

   Russ Bellant, a long-time LaRouche watcher 
from Detroit, notes that in the mid-1970's 
LaRouche simultaneously turned to the right and 
tried to link up with more respectable groups, 
including, for a brief period, several state 
Republican Party organizations. "Some tactical 
political alliances with various right-wing 
groups were made on the basis of LaRouche's 
scurrilous disruption campaigns against mutual 
enemies, especially liberal Democrats," says 
Bellant. In fact, LaRouche has consistently 
targetted the American left, and done so with 
material and moral support from small but 
significant elements in law enforcement, the 
Republican Party and the American far right. 
There is also evidence to suggest that the 
LaRouche organization maintained a cozy 
relationship with certain elements in U.S. and 
foreign intelligence, military 
and police agencies.

   Bellant and other LaRouche-watchers feel the 
LaRouche network and its questionable finances 
and intelligence activities may have been 
overlooked by certain individuals in intelligence 
and law enforcement agencies. "These persons were 
focusing more on the information being churned up 
by LaRouche's intelligence-gathering apparatus," 
says Bellant.

   LaRouche-related financial operations have run 
afoul of the law before, but by adopting an 
aggressive legal strategy his groups have been 
able to fend off successful prosecution for years 
until cases were dropped or settled by exhausted 
plaintiffs and prosecutors. One Illinois case 
involving LaRouche-backed mayoral candidate 
Sheila Jones and LaRouche's Illinois Anti-Drug 
Coaliton has dragged on for over six years.

   The 1986 Illinois primary victory by two 
LaRouche followers, however, raised the ante. 
"The visibility that came to LaRouche after the 
Illinois primary lent credibility to the 
investigations into his financial operations by 
bringing forward scores of persons who claimed to 
have been defrauded by LaRouche operations over 
the years," says Bellant.  There are probably a 
variety of reasons why the ties between LaRouche 
and various government agencies and personalities 
were severed in the mid-1980's. Highly-publicized 
incidents such as the airport battle between 
LaRouchies and Henry Kissinger and his wife 
helped doom the LaRouche network's relationship 
with the Reagan Administration--their profile 
just became too visible for a continued 
relationship. 

   Principled conservatives challenged 
the Reagan Administration to justify its 
flirtation with an anti-Semitic group. 
Intelligence specialists questioned the wisdom of 
sharing thoughts with a group which historically 
worked both sides of the political fence 
separating allies from adversaries. Even Oliver 
North got into the act when his fundraisers and 
security specialists found LaRouche emissaries 
were getting underfoot.

   LaRouche security expert Jeff Steinberg, who 
used to meet with National Security Council 
staffers at the Old Executive Office Building in 
the White House compound, spent much of 1988 in a 
Boston courtroom facing criminal charges. However 
it appears the criminal investigation which led 
to the current legal problems faced by LaRouche 
and his followers began before the controversy 
over his ties to the Reagan Administration had 
reached key decision-makers in government 
agencies. While there is some evidence of 
prosecutorial misconduct and civil liberties 
violations in the course of some of the federal 
investigations and prosecutions, the claim by 
LaRouche spokespersons that the indictments are 
part of a government conspiracy to silence 
LaRouche appear to be without foundation.

Political Puzzle?

   Russ Bellant's articles on LaRouche have 
appeared in liberal Michigan weeklies and 
progressive publications, while John Rees tills 
the right side of the journalistic garden. But 
both agree LaRouche's ideology is now neither 
Marxist nor conservative. Rees, who for years has 
written for conservative, anti-communist, and 
New-Right publications (including several 
magazines published by the John Birch Society), 
thinks it is unfair ever to have called LaRouche 
a conservative simply because he has tried to woo 
that political block.

   "He is emphatically not a conservative," says 
Rees, "he is a totalitarian extremist with a cult of 
personality to rival Joseph Stalin's." Rees 
concedes that LaRouche's politics are distorted 
and strange, saying "he is difficult to 
categorize--in a sense LaRouche is a remedial 
Fascist. At least Mussolini could make the trains 
run on time. I doubt LaRouche is capable 
of doing that."

   Rees claims that "when LaRouche was rejected 
by the totalitarian left, he simply tried the 
other side of the totalitarian spectrum." 
According to Rees, ties between the LaRouche 
network and several racist and anti-Semitic 
groups are well-established. "Former LaRouche 
organizers report cooperation with elements of 
the Aryan Nations Network," adds Bellant who says 
the LaRouche network is a "neo-Nazi type of 
cult." 

 Racism and Anti-Jewish Rhetoric 

   LaRouche has many connections to the racist 
political right in this country. Richard 
Lobenthal, Midwest Regional Director for the 
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, observes 
that LaRouche security advisor Roy Frankhauser 
"has been identified as present with other white 
supremacists at meetings held at the farm of 
Pastor Bob Miles in Michigan." Leaders of the 
notoriously racist and anti-Semitic Aryan Nations 
have attended the same meetings.

   "Frankhauser's background and connections are 
myriad, he is obviously a LaRouchite, he is a 
professed racist and anti-Semite and was a close 
associate of neo-Nazi leader George Lincoln 
Rockwell," says Lobenthal.

   LaRouche not only works in coalitions with 
bigots, he has also propounded ideas which are 
widely perceived to represent outright racism.

   LaRouche, for instance, offended the Hispanic 
community in a November, 1973 essay (published in 
both English and Spanish) titled "The Male 
Impotence of the Puerto-Rican Socialist Party." 
An internal memo by LaRouche asked "Can we 
imagine anything more viciously sadistic than the 
Black Ghetto mother?"  He described the majority 
of the Chinese people as "approximating the lower 
animal species" by manifesting a "paranoid 
personality. . . .a parallel general form of 
fundamental distinction from actual 
human personalities."

   LaRouche's use of hysterical Jewish conspiracy 
theories for ulterior political motives has lead 
him to be branded an anti-Semite by several major 
Jewish groups. 

   One ADL spokesperson, Irwin Suall, was once 
sued for defamation by LaRouche for calling him a 
"small time Hitler." The jury ruled against 
LaRouche. According to LaRouche, only a million 
and a half Jews perished in the concentration 
camps, and they died primarily from overwork, 
disease, and starvation. This denial of the 
Holocaust is coupled with pronouncements saying 
there is nothing left of Jewish culture except 
what couldn't be sold to Gentiles, or claiming 
British Jews brought Hitler into power.

   While many of the ringleaders of the global 
conspiracy, according to the LaRouche philosophy, 
are Jewish, members of the LaRouche group rebut 
charges of anti-Semitism by pointing out that a 
number of them--including Janice Hart, former 
Democratic nominee for the Illinois Secretary of 
State--are Jewish. The Anti-Defamation League of 
B'nai B'rith, which has successfully beat back 
several costly LaRouche lawsuits, rejects this 
explanation and insists the group is a paranoid, 
anti-Semitic political cult.

   For his part, LaRouche claims to be merely 
anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. Jewish groups and 
political scientists acknowledge the important 
distinction, but LaRouche rhetoric--such as 
leaflets distributed in California bearing 
the offensive headline "Smash the Kosher 
Nostra!" and naming a number of Jewish figures as 
part of a global conspiracy, leaves little doubt.

   Since 1976, the NCLC's ties to anti-Semitic, 
ultra-right groups and individuals have been well 
documented. LaRouche associates have cultivated 
ties to Willis Carto, a notorious racist and 
anti-Semite who helped found Liberty Lobby and 
the pseudo-scholarly Institute for Historical 
Review. This latter group publishes "historical 
revisionist" literature deriding the Nazi 
Holocaust as a Jewish hoax.

   Former staffers at both the Liberty Lobby and 
LaRouche's NCLC claim the two groups cooperated 
closely on several projects. In the March 2, 1981 
issue of its newspaper , Liberty 
Lobby cynically defended the relationship this 
way: "It is mystifying why so many 
anti-communists and `conservatives' oppose the 
USLP [U.S. Labor Party --the NCLC's original 
electoral arm]. No group has done so much to 
confuse, disorient, and disunify the Left as they 
have. . .the USLP should be encouraged, as should 
all similar breakaway groups from the Left, for 
this is the only way that the Left can be 
weakened and broken."

   Linda Ray, the outspoken former member of the 
LaRouche group, recently published a first-person 
account of her experiences in the Chicago-based 
national weekly . She 
recalls that after leaving the group, someone 
showed her a LaRouche organization pamphlet she 
had once sold on the street. "In it the Jewish 
symbol, the Star of David, was used as a 
centerpiece to point to six different aspects of 
the illegal drug trade. In this context, the Star 
of David was a symbol of evil." She was shocked 
when she realized she had not recognized this 
while still working with LaRouche.

   "Many people find it difficult 
to understand how Jews--such as 
I--could have worked for an anti-Semitic group. 
Perhaps the answer is that the members get so 
hypnotized by the simplistic `good guys and bad 
guys' approach to history that they do not hear 
what LaRouche is really saying."

   Ray recalls how LaRouche claimed the British 
were a different "subhuman species" and how his 
 magazine concocted the charge 
that the British created the Nazi movement."Since 
the blasts were overtly directed against the 
British, Jewish members often did not recognize 
the subliminal anti-Semitism of the attacks. 
LaRouche, like the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler and 
Goebbels, was attacking the Rothschilds and other 
British-Jewish banking interests. In the wake of 
these anti-Semitic writings, many of us were 
confused. But we continued to defend LaRouche by 
lamely saying, `We're not anti-Semitic. So many 
of our members are Jews. We always say in our 
publications that we are against the Nazis.'

   "I remember reading in detail about the `subhuman 
species' concept. Although I knew it did not make 
scientific sense, I presumed that it was a deep 
intellectual metaphor that was over my head."

   When Ray left the group and finally came to 
grips with her role as a Jew working in an 
anti-Semitic organization, she says "It was as if 
I was waking from a nightmare." 

   LaRouche's relationship with Blacks--including 
his own Black NCLC members--is similarly 
confusing and complex. While LaRouche's writings 
are replete with racialist assertions extolling 
white Northern European values at the expense of 
other ethnic values, he has in some cases 
succeeded in forging alliances with rightist or 
opportunist black politicians and civil rights 
leaders, such as Roy Innis of the Congress of 
Racial Equality (CORE) and Hulan Jack, a former 
Borough president and powerhouse in the New York 
Democratic Party. Articles from LaRouche's  have appeared in publications
of Rev. Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

   At the same time they are recruiting Blacks, 
LaRouche publications praise the wisdom of the 
Botha government in South Africa, and attack 
those who protest the system of apartheid. 

   LaRouchian rhetoric can often offend numerous 
constituencies simultaneously. The July 7, 1986 
issue of the , an insert 
tucked into LaRouche's  (now 
) newspaper, covered the Ku 
Klux Klan counter rally against Chicago's annual 
Gay Pride parade by charging: "The idea behind 
the KKK outburst was--amid heavy media coverage 
of a mere two dozen Klan demonstrators--to make 
citizens think anyone who wants to take serious 
measures against AIDS is a cross-burner and a 
Nazi. . . .In fact, the Klan does not 
exist--except as a special dirty-tricks operation 
of the FBI and the B'nai B'rith's Anti-Defamation 
League. "

   The article went on to say the founders of 
B'nai B'rith were "about as Jewish as Josef 
Goebbels."When Illinois Congressman Sidney Yates 
faced LaRouche-backed challenger Sheila Jones, 
LaRouche supporters distributed leaflets titled 
"So, What's A Nice Jewish Boy Doing Supporting 
Sodomy?" Former Chicago mayor Jane Byrne was 
targetted in one mayoral race with a LaRouche 
candidate's campaign slogan of "Byrne the Witch." 

   In attacking political enemies, LaRouche 
propoganda often utilizes racist, anti-Jewish, 
sexist or homophobic stereotypes. 

Defining the Terms

   The LaRouche cult fits the description of a 
totalitarian movement as outlined by Hanna Arendt 
in  
Totalitariansim is correctly defined by its 
all-encompasing style, structure and methods, not 
by its stated or apparent ideological premises or 
goals. Arendt wrote that not all fascist groups 
were necessarily totalitarian and not all 
totalitarian groups were necessariy fascist.

   Is LaRouche a fascist? The goal of fascism is 
always raw power, and it will adopt or abandon 
any principle to obtain power. The chameleon-like 
nature of fascist theories is one of its 
hallmarks, and often leads to confusion as to 
whether it is on the political left or right as 
it opportunistically gobbles up popular slogans 
from existing movements.

   Journalist James Ridgeway notes there are real 
contradictions in LaRouche's politics: "While it 
maintains contacts with far-right groups, 
LaRouche's organization is ideologically at 
cross-purposes with many which are nativist and 
anarchist. LaRouche is an internationalist and a 
totalitarian: he believes the masses are 
`bestial' and unfit for citizenship."

   Freelance journalist Nick Gallo takes us a 
step further. In  he 
acknowledges that much of what LaRouche espouses 
"appears kooky, if only because his ideas 
certainly defy conventional political analysis. . 
. .However go beyond the individual positions on 
different issues and beneath the surface lurk 
echoes of sinister themes that have been 
prevalent in the 20th century: preservation of 
Western Civilization, purity of culture and 
youth, elimination of Jewish and homosexual 
influence, suspicion of international 
banking conspiracies."

   The opportunistic exploitation of 
anxiety-producing issues by LaRouchies is no 
surprise to Clara Fraser who knew LaRouche when 
he was in the Socialist Workers Party. Writing in the 
 newspaper, she explains, 
 "The pundits are intrigued and puzzled by his 
amalgam of right and left politics, a tangled web 
of KKK, Freudian, encounter therapy, Populist, 
Ayn Rand-like, and Marxist notions. They needn't 
be. His is the prototypical face of fascism, 
which is classically a hodgepodge of 
pseudo-theories crafted for mass appeal. . . ."

   Themes generally associated with fascism 
frequently recur in LaRouche's writings. In the 
aggregate, LaRouche seems to like the idea of 
society with an authoritarian governing body, 
exercising social, political, economic, and 
cultural control, using force when necessary to 
maintain order and attain desired goals. 
Traditional democracy is contemptuously dismissed 
by LaRouche, who describes himself as a 
"traditional Democrat," as the "rule of 
irrationalist episodic majorities."

   When LaRouche touts his followers as  
"neo-Platonic" theorists, most people aren't 
aware that in  Plato outlined 
his view of a political system in which only a 
handful of enlightened "Golden Souls" would be 
allowed to participate in societal 
desision-making. While this was certainly a step 
forward from imperial dictatorship and rule by 
fiat, it is hardly a step forward for a 
participatory democracy. LaRouche, incidently, 
has said his followers are "Golden Souls."

   Combining fascism and totalitarianism makes 
for a potent mixture, but even a totalitarian 
fascist is not necessarily a Nazi--for that you 
must include a "Master Race" theory and roots in 
an ostensibly socialist agenda for empowering the 
working class. . movement and German Nazi 
movement. In German the word itself--NAZI--was an 
acronym for the National German Workers Socialist 
Party. Most socialists now are painfully aware of 
that error. LaRouche apparently repeated the error.

   But can an organization which has Jews and 
Blacks as members be called Nazi? The LaRouche 
network's printed materials are full of 
ethnocentric, racist, and anti-Jewish rhetoric, 
but that doesn't necessarily make it Nazi. Where 
is LaRouche's theory of a master race? In fact, 
LaRouche himself has repeatedly enunciated just 
such a theory, but in his typically convoluted way.

   In the mind of Lyndon LaRouche, personal or 
political opponents are not even human, Jerry 
Brown and Tom Hayden are "creatures;" the rest of 
us are merely "beasts" or "sheep."

   According to Dennis King, it is LaRouche's 
belief that his enemies are subhuman and his 
followers superhuman which makes "LaRouche more 
than a political fascist, but a neo-Nazi." King, 
whose book on LaRouche is slated for publication 
in 1989, adds that "people afraid of that 
characterization should sit down and read his 
ideological writings. LaRouche talks about the 
existence of two parasitic species descended from 
Babylonian culture, the British-Jewish and 
Russian-Orthodox species, then there are the 
subhuman masses, then humanity represented by 
LaRouche and his followers, the Golden Souls, and 
then a new superhuman race which will evolve from 
the Golden Souls. It really is pure 
Nazism," says King.

   And if that makes no rational sense; and if 
some of his followers are Jews and Blacks? "So 
what?" retorts King "LaRouche is a totalitarian, 
he can define anyone he wants to as being a 
member of the human race, and anyone he wants to 
as being a member of an inferior race, and he can 
change the definitions from week to week--who is 
going to argue with him?"

End of Part Two



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/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */
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LAROUCHE AS FASCIST: PART THREE

How Serious a Threat?

   A surprisingly broad range of LaRouche's 
critics think his political movment should be 
taken very seriously.

   Richard Lobenthal of ADL warns that the 
LaRouche organization "Obviously should not be 
dismissed lightly, they are more than just kooks. 
They are anti-Semitic extremists. His aspirations 
are to gain legitimacy and power through, amongst 
other ways, the electoral process. To snicker 
about LaRouche is to snicker about any bigot or 
extemist who would ascend to political office and 
then subvert that office for their own purposes," 
he says.

   In California a LaRouche-backed referendum, 
Proposition 64, establishing restrictive public 
health policies regarding Acquired Immune 
Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) demonstrates how the 
small LaRouche group there had a devasting effect 
when it found a fearful audience for its 
simplistic scapegoating theories.

   Mark L. Madsen, a public health specialist for 
the California Medical Association says the 
LaRouche initiative, Proposition 64, was based on 
"absolute hysteria and calculated deception," but 
even though the initiative was soundly defeated 
"it has set back public health education efforts 
at least five years. The LaRouche people have 
almost wiped out all that we have done so far in 
educating the public about AIDS."

   The LaRouche intitiative "created an 
immeasurable medical problem far beyond AIDS 
victims," says Madsen. In California the number 
of regular blood donors went down 30%, and one 
health expert blames this directly on fear by 
blood donors of repercussions from possibly being 
identified as carrying the AIDS virus. "This 
fear, whipped up substantially by the hysterical 
LaRouche theories about AIDS, led to critical 
shortages of blood in the state of California," 
says Madsen.

   Leonard Zeskind of the Atlanta-based Center 
for Democratic Renewal helped build a coalition 
of Christian, Jewish, farm advocacy and civil 
rights groups to confront the spread of 
hate-mongering theories in the wake of the 
devastation of the rural economy throughout the 
farm belt. He calls the LaRouche 
ideology "Crank Fascism".

   "The LaRouche organizers are not as active in 
the farm belt as they once were, but they are 
still there. For those farmers who may have 
bought into these bigoted snake-oil theories, the 
effect has been harmful," says Zeskind. " The 
LaRouche group "has also been very disruptive in 
the Black community where they exploit legitimate 
issues such as drug pushing and widespread 
unemployment. Those of us who have to deal with 
the victims of the LaRouche philosophy don't find 
it very humorous at all," says Zeskind.

   Prexy Nesbitt, a consultant to the American 
Committee on Africa who has led campaigns calling 
for divestment in South Africa, agrees the 
LaRouche organization should be taken more 
seriously. "His people have deliberately made 
themselves an obstacle to our organizing and 
disrupted our activities," says Nesbitt. "The 
LaRouche people spied on anti-apartheid activists 
and South African exiles in Europe and then 
provided information to the South African 
government," charges Nesbitt. "This is a very 
dangerous and potentially deadly game," he says. 
"Critics of the South African Government have 
disappeared or been killed, their offices have 
been blown up," charges Nesbitt.

   In 1981 the respected British magazine  ran an article titled "American Fanatis 
put Scientists' Lives at Risk." According to the article, 
LaRouche's  
had circulated a report naming a number of 
scientists working in the Middle East as being 
involved in an insurgent conspiracy against 
established governments. "In certain Middle East 
countries with hypersensitive governments," 
warned the magazine, "these allegations, however 
indirect, can easily lead to arrests, prison 
sentences and even executions."

   Many conservative and New Right groups have 
also taken stands against LaRouche's brand of 
bigotry and opportunism. One staffer at the 
Heritage Foundation, a New Right think-tank based 
in Washington, D.C., called LaRouche an 
"intellectual Nazi" and a Heritage Foundation 
report warned of LaRouche's danger to national 
security as a reckless purveyor of 
private intelligence.

   New Right military specialist, retired General 
Daniel O. Graham, says LaRouche followers have 
significantly hampered his work. Graham, Director 
of Project High Frontier which supports and 
helped develop President Reagan's Strategic 
Defense Initiative plan for anti-missile defense, 
says the LaRouche groups have "caused a lot of 
problems by adopting our issue in an effort to 
sieze credit for the idea." "They also mounted a 
furious attack on me personally," says Graham. 
"Even today I get mail asking if I'm in league 
with LaRouche," he adds wearily.

   "LaRouche does not just represent some nut to 
simply backhand away. . .he's very clever, you 
have to go to great lengths to get around those 
people." He adds: "Look, these people are purely 
interested in power. LaRouche doesn't care about 
these issues one bit, it's just a way to raise 
money and consolidate his political base."

   Jonathan Levine, the Chicago-based Midwest 
Regional Director of the American Jewish 
Committee (AJC) agrees that opportunism and 
exploitation of issues is a key factor with the 
LaRouche ideology. "Extremists have traditionally 
tried to piggyback on substantive issues to gain 
legitimacy for themselves. Never mind that the 
way the LaRouche candidates frame issues does not 
warrant serious discussion in a political 
campaign, but LaRouche may appeal to frustrated, 
apathetic voters nevertheless."

   Bruce B. Decker, a lifelong Republican who has 
served on the staff of President Gerald Ford 
and on an AIDS advisory panel appointed by California 
Governor George Deukmejian, thinks the response to 
LaRouche's bigoted theories should cut across traditional 
party politics and electoral constituencies. He 
lists the forces who joined the California `Stop 
LaRouche' coalition which beat back the 
LaRouche-sponsored Proposition 64, widely 
percieved as a homophobic and anti-civil 
liberties response to the AIDS crisis:"We united 
Republicans and Democrats, progressives and 
conservatives, religious leaders representing 
Protestants, Catholics, Jews and other beliefs, 
ethnic groups including Blacks, Latinos and 
Asians, professionals associations and labor 
unions. Isn't that a lesson we've learned from 
history? That we all have an obligation to stand 
up together and forcefully oppose the 
victimization and scapegoating spread by these 
types of demogogues?"

   After the Illinois primary Senator Daniel 
Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) blasted his own party for 
pursuing a policy of ignoring the "infiltration 
by the neo-Nazi elements of Lyndon H. LaRouche," 
and worried that too often, especially in the 
media, "the LaRouchites" are "dismissed as kooks."

   "In an age of ideology, in an age of 
totalitarianism, it will not suffice for a 
political party to be indifferent to and ignorant 
about such a movement," said Moynihan. 
Ironically, when the  
covered Moynihan's speech, they essentially 
censored him by repeatedly substituting the 
softer term "fascist" wherever Moynihan 
had said "nazi."

   Edward Kayatt, publisher of  a 
weekly community newspaper on New York City's 
upper East Side, is angered by that type of 
self-censorship and by the cowardice of most 
mainstream media on this point.

   Kayatt has published dozens of articles on 
LaRouche, describing him as a neo-Fascist, 
neo-Nazi, anti-Semite and racist, including a 
lengthy series by Dennis King. Following the 
Illinois primary victory, Kayatt penned an 
editorial which blasted his colleagues in the 
press for covering up LaRouche's political ideology.

   Kayatt noted that "newspapers are of course 
afraid of libel suits (even though the New York 
State Supreme Court has ruled it is `fair 
comment'to call LaRouche an anti-Semite). But how 
can the media justify censorship of a U.S. 
Senator who is sounding the alarm against 
neo-Nazism? The beast must be named, but within 
the media world only NBC-TV has shown the courage 
to do so."

   Both Kayatt and Chicago journalist Michael 
Miner lay some blame for the Illinois LaRouche 
victory at the feet of those media which chose 
not to publicize the LaRouchies. Kayatt and Miner 
note LaRouche's use of litigation to silence 
critics. Miner wonders if some of the the 
"media's disdain [for LaRouche] was not partly a 
reluctance to borrow trouble." Kayatt agrees. "In 
the late 1920s, when Adolf Hitler began his march 
to power, one of the tactics was to entangle all 
his opponents in libel suits," wrote Kayatt.

   It is admittedly hard to cover LaRouche, 
especially since the media in this country tend 
to ignore historical connections and are 
reluctant to analyze ideological positions or 
treat a fringe political group seriously. 
Political coverage in the U.S. is frequently 
based on personalities and style rather than 
political content. Furthermore, when LaRouche is 
challenged by a reporter, he simply denies 
everything, or says it was taken out of context, 
and then claims his enemies are plotting against 
him--it is difficult for a mainstream reporter to 
report what LaRouche really says without 
appearing biased and vindictive or making 
LaRouche sound totally crazy.

   But Kayatt isn't satisfied with excuses. He 
reflects the sentiment of many who are concerned 
about media coverage of LaRouche when he says, 
"LaRouche will not march to power in America, but 
he can have a serious destabilizing effect on our 
institutions and can create a beachhead for 
organized anti-Semitism. To drive him back into 
political isolation, America's publishers and 
editors must show some of their traditional 
courage and backbone."

   LaRouche's legal troubles haven't stopped his 
followers. They actively organized for the New 
Hampshire Presidential primary, and purchased 
several half-hour time slots on network 
television for campaign programming. For the most 
part, LaRouche fundraisers continue to use the 
same boiler-room phone-bank techniques they have 
used for years. Following the criminal 
indictments, LaRouche loyalists called people 
from whom they had previously secured loans and 
told them to blame the government for 
non-repayment of the original. They then asked 
for donations to fight the ongoing legal battles 
which they claim are part of a plot to 
destroy LaRouche.

   The criminal indictments have slowed down 
LaRouche organizing and fundraising campaigns, 
but they have by no means solved the problem. 
No matter what the outcome in the legal 
arena, LaRouche and his followers can 
still do a lot of damage by further spreading 
prejudiced views. Russ Bellant sums it up when he 
says LaRouche is "just a symbol of a larger 
problem of authoritarianism which can be very 
appealing in times of crisis. The LaRouche 
phenomenon indicates that we need to educate 
Americans about the theories and 
tactics of demagogues."

   If we intend to defend democracy we had best 
learn to recognize its enemies, and not be afraid 
to stand up and call them by name.

END OF PART THREE
END OF ARTICLE
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 Chip Berlet is staff researcher at Political Research 
Associates (PRA) in Cambridge, Massachusetts. 
 Joel Bellman is a former editorial page writer and 
columnist for the .
 Both Bellman and Berlet have written extensively about 
the LaRouche organization.

Political Research Associates is an independent, 
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collects and disseminates information on right-wing 
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This "LaRouche Sampler" of LaRouchian quotes was first 
published in the Chicago Lawyer newspaper, April 1986

It was compiled by writer Chip Berlet, editor Rob Warden, and 
other staff who relied exclusively on primary (original)
documents and transcripts.

Defenders of LaRouche are urged to explain and defend the
following statements...
 
===========================

Judaism

"Judaism is the religion of a caste of subjects of 
Christianity, entirely molded by ingenious rabbis to fit into the 
ideological and secular life of Christianity. In short, a self-
sustaining Judaism never existed and never could exist. As for 
Jewish culture otherwise, it is merely the residue left to the 
Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the 
Goyim."   
          "The Case of Ludwig Feuerbach",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., (under pen name L. Marcus),
          The Campaigner, December 1973

"America must be cleansed for its righteous war by the 
immediate elimination of the Nazi Jewish Lobby and other British 
agents from the councils of government, industry, and labor."
          "A War-winning Strategy", 
          Editorial, New Solidarity, March 1978

Jazz

"Jazz was foisted on black Americans by the same oligarchy 
which had run the U.S. slave trade, with the help of the 
classically trained but immoral George Gershwin and the Paris-New 
York circuit of drug-taking avant-garde artists."
          "The Racist Roots of Jazz", Back Cover, The Campaigner, 
          September-October 1980

Zionism

"Zionism is the state of collective psychosis through which 
London manipulates most of international Jewry."
          "Zionism Is Not Judaism" Editorial,
          The Campaigner, December 1978

Harold Washington

"Washington was elected with a strong homosexual vote, 
backed by the pro-drug, pro-pornography Playboy Foundation."
          "AIDS is More Deadly Than Nuclear War",
          Authorized Statement, National Democratic 
          Policy Committee, October 1985

The Beatles

"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a 
product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare 
Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by 
agencies which are controlled by British intelligence."
          "Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict"
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

Adolf Hitler

"The first, and most important fact to be recognized 
concerning the Hitler regime, is that Adolf Hitler was put into 
power in Germany on orders from London. The documentation of this 
matter is abundant and conclusive."
          "Humboldt Versus Hitler", Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
          The Campaigner, August 1978

The Rockefellers

"The Rockefeller designs for fascism are essentially 
identical with the Hitler and Mussolini forms of the past." 
          "The Conceptual History of the Labor Committees",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr., (under pen name L. Marcus),
          The Campaigner, October 1974

"Nelson A. Rockefeller is a raving fascist presently pushing 
as rapidly as he is able to impose a fascist police-state in the 
U.S.A. before the 1976 elections." 
          "The Guts Needed to Survive", Editorial, 
          The Campaigner, August 1975

Britain

"Britain has in fact two governments, the first a 
parliamentary charade for the edification of the credulous, the 
other the real monarchial government."
          "The Secrets Known Only To The Inner Elites"
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., The Campaigner, May-June 1978

"We shall end the rule of irrationalist episodic majorities, 
of British liberal notions of 'democracy.'" 
          "Creating a Republican Labor Party" Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
          Citizens for LaRouche Policy Statement, c. 1980

History

"History as it is taught in leading American universities 
today is a deliberate systematic fraud. History textbooks in our 
public schools, in particular insofar as they pertain to the 
American Revolution and the issues leading up to the Civil War, 
are total frauds." 
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., Radio broadcast, WGPR,           
          Detroit, March 20, 1979

The Philippines

"First, we have the situation in the Philippines, where the 
State Department is virtually campaigning to give the islands to 
Moscow. The major source of complaints about 'human rights' in 
that island nation is now the same circle of U.S. senators, 
newspapers, and State Department Bureaucrats who were responsible 
for bringing down the Shah of Iran."
          "The Dangers of the Summit Obsession",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Executive Intelligence Review, November 8, 1985

Journalists

"A journalist not on someone's intelligence-service pad is 
the rarest of all species, perhaps as rare as the Dodo."
          "A Rebuke to Senator Percy",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
          National Democratic Policy Committee Statement,
          November 26, 1981

Milton Friedman

"Friedman's good repute among American conservatives is a 
result of a monstrous hoax. ... Friedman has admitted, without 
the slightest sign of embarrassment, that his economic doctrines 
are a resurrection of those of Nazi Economics Minister Hjalmar 
Schacht....Dose Friedman himself propose to murder some tens of 
millions of 'useless eaters'?...It is not merely that the inner 
content of his economics is fascist, but that he demands the 
destruction of every criterion of reason that might hold us back 
from the horrifying final consequences of his policies."
          "The Ugly Truth About Milton Friedman",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. and David P. Goldman,
          New Benjamin Franklin Publishing House (1980)

Henry A. Kissinger

"Under Henry A. Kissinger's two terms as Acting President of 
the United States, agencies committed to genocide were made 
institutions of both the National Security Council and State 
Department."
          "The Frameup of Harrison Williams",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Executive Intelligence Review, 
          September 22, 1981

"Episcopagans"

"The inner hierarchy of the Episcopagan church is properly 
viewed not merely as something within the established Church of 
England, but as a coordinating agency for an array of forces with 
arms not only among Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern 
autocephalic denominations....It controls, with complicity of 
Venice, Libya's psychotic Colonel Khadafy, and most of the New 
York Council on Foreign Relations, as well as the psychological 
warfare and assassination arm of British intelligence, the London 
Tavistock Institute."
          "Why the Anglicans Want to Eliminate the Pope",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
          Executive Intelligence Review, June 2, 1981

Harvard and MIT

"Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of 
Technology (MIT) are among a handful of leading centers of 
fascist social engineering research and development throughout 
the post-war U.S. Other universities of comparable status include 
Columbia University, Cornell University, University of 
Pennsylvania, University of Michigan, University of Chicago, 
University of California at Berkeley, and Leland Stanford 
University."
          "What Happened To Integration",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
          The Campaigner, August 1975

The FBI

"From its beginnings under Quaker-linked Attorney General J. 
Mitchell Palmer, the FBI was intended to become a political 
'Gestapo,' serving the interests of foreign supranational powers 
dedicated to subverting and taking over the United States."
          "Why Reagan Must Purge the FBI",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Executive Intelligence Review, February 3, 1981

Self-assessment

"Apart from those accomplishments which are as much an 
organic product of the U.S. Labor Party as my own efforts, my 
principal accomplishment is that of being, by a large margin of 
advantage, the leading economist of the twentieth century to 
date. That distinction can be most easily defended, since it is 
not quantitative, but qualitative."
          "The Power of Reason - A Kind of an Autobiography",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          New Benjamin Franklin Publishing House (1979)

Israelis

Can one punish sheep for being sheep? The Israelis have 
behaved with monstrous, worse-than-Nazi bestiality. But are not 
sheep bestial? Are not the Israelis behaving with the bestiality 
of terrified sheep, driven to homicidal psychosis by their won 
bestial fears? What can be done with such bestial Israelis, 
except to transform them from bestial sheep, to take them out of 
the kibbutz sheep-pens of psychosis, and employ the method of the 
Platonic dialogue to transform them into genuine men and women of 
reason?"
          "Despite What Israel Has Done"
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
          The Campaigner, March 1978

AIDS

"So far, the world's leading experts see no way in which the 
Soviet biological-warfare apparatus could have created AIDS in a 
test-tube. However, it is in the strategic interests of Moscow to 
see to it that the West does nothing to stop this pandemic; 
within a few years, at the present rates, the spread of AIDS in 
Asia, Africa, Western Europe, and the Americas would permit 
Moscow to take over the world almost without firing a shot."
          "The Lesson of the Merchant of Venice",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Executive Intelligence Review, November 1, 1985

The Jones Cult

"The two official U.S. government agencies most directly 
responsible for the Symbionese Liberation Army and the Jones 
Peoples Temple cult are the U.S. Air Force Intelligence and the 
Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Until the massive British-
Zionist controlling penetration of those two elements of the 
Pentagon's intelligence establishment is cleaned out, untold 
horrors will continue to proliferate in the United States."
          "Now, Do You Sleep With One Eye Open?",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr., 
          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

Impotence

"To the extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, I 
am now confident and capable of ending your [NCLC members'] 
political - and sexual - impotence; the two are interconnected 
aspects of the same problem."
          "The Politics of Male Impotence",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., (under pen name L. Marcus)
          NCLC Internal Document, August 16, 1973

Warmongers

"Who is pushing the world toward war? is the forces behind 
the World Wildlife Fund, the Club of Rome, and the heritage of 
H.G. Wells and the evil Bertrand Russell."
          "An Open Letter to President Brezhnev",
          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
          Executive Intelligence Review, June 2, 1981




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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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Chip Berlet, showing the depth of intellectual method we have come
to expect from him posts:

[massive number of out of context LaRouche quotes deleted]

and challenges LaRouche supporters to explain them. The "explanation"
is, unavoidably, best found by reading the complete articles from
which each of the quotes was taken, and in some cases further background
material. If I had these sources in machine readable form I would surely
post them, and people here could make their own judgements. Failing that,
I make two counter-offers. 

(1) I have hard copy of at least some of the articles cited. I will
mail photocopies to the first person who will agree to scan them and
post them.

(2) Pick a quote from Chip's collection. Tell me what YOU think it 
means, and/or ask an intelligent question about it. I'll do my best
to respond with an intelligent comment or answer.

-Steve

P.S. I am still hoping that Chip will tell us whether he accepts or 
rejects LaRouche's notion of the essential relationship between 
fascism and austerity. If not, why not. If so, how can LaRouche
be simultaneously vigorously anti-austerity (which even a casual 
acquaintance with his writing will reveal) and yet "fascist".


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Friendly Fascists
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f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>In article <18s8l9INNipd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, 
>aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

[rant from me claiming Chip Berlet's criticism of Gritz lacked 
substance and employed "guilt by association" deleted]

        
>        What concerns me is the almost total lack of knowledge among
>those on this network about Bo Gritz or any other third party candidate
>who might have constructive or at least controversial ideas to offer
>at election time.  Only Perot with his billions to play the game has
>received any significant amount of press.

Fortunately, here on the Net we have, for the time being at least,
an environment where the views of candidates such as Gritz, Larouche, 
Agran, Daniels, Fulani, and others blacked out of the mainstream media
can be heard and actively discussed. We need to spread this openness,
whether using this technology or some other, throughout society.

>        I am very limited as to my knowledge of Gritz but was impressed
>by his courage in rescuing what was left of the Randy Weaver family from
>almost certain destruction at the hands of our own government...and at
>significant personal risk to himself.  I was not impressed by the way
>the media, at least in this area, reported the story.  Some reports did
>not mention his name and simply referred to him as a Vietnam veteran.
>If his name was mentioned, nothing was said of his third party candidacy.
>It was as if there was a news blackout against him.  

I was very impressed by some of the information he has uncovered 
relating the POW situation to CIA heroin traffic in Southeast Asia.
I have some files on this which I will try to post soon.

>        I know nothing of the validity of his supposed statement that
>control of the Fed was in the hands of certain Jewish families.  I do
>feel, however, that the Fed is tightly controlled by those with real
>financial clout and as an institution of highly questionable value.  I
>don't consider being at odds with the Fed an extreme 'right-wing' view,
>whatever that means.  I recently received a letter from Sen. Lloyd
>Bentsen who mentioned a bill pending before the House of Representatives
>that proposed an audit of the Fed (the Fed has not been audited since
>its inception in 1913...some banking practice, huh?) and Bentsen went
>on to say that if a similar bill was introduced in the Senate that he
>would give it careful consideration.  

The Fed has been a favorite target of conspiracy theorists over the
years precisely because it wields great power, does so in ways the
average person does not understand, is not democratically accountable,
and the silence on these matters in the mainstream media has been 
deafening. That many of these theories may shade off into nonsense 
around the edges should not detract from their valid insights.

>        I personally suspect we need to go further and abolish the Fed
>which appears to be a serious problem in our bankrupt economy and return
>to the economic thinking of Jefferson and Madison (Jefferson liquidated
>the Second Bank of the United States, the Fed of his day).  If Gritz
>is in favor of doing that, it's a point in his favor as far as I am
>concerned.

Well, I have to disagree here. I like the ideas of Lyndon LaRouche, 
who proposes not to abolish the central bank, but to use its great
power for good rather than evil. Whether this would be done by taking
over the existing Fed, or abolishing it and replacing it with some
other form of central bank is a tactical question. The central issue
is not whether to have a central bank, but what policies it should 
follow. LaRouche proposes to cause the central bank to issue massive
amounts of new credit, at low interest rates (I think 2-4 %) and
target that credit preferentially toward investment in infrastructure,
high technology energy development, high tech capital goods, and a 
series of "great projects" in areas such as water resource development,
transportation infrastructure, etc. In fact, here is the proposal in 
his own words, excerpted from his TV broadcast of 3/08/92.



LAROUCHE: The federal government will issue over $600
billion in low-cost credit to state and federal authorities for
infrastructural public works. This will create 3 million jobs in
the public sector, and also an additional 3 million jobs among
vendors to the government, in the private sector. 
   These combined six million new jobs will be devoted to
rebuilding five vital components of America's industrial
infrastructure. 
   First, the creation of a water management system capable of
insuring a sufficient supply of fresh water into the 21st
century. 
   Second, the rebuilding of our transportation grid,
especially our rail system, and development of roads and ports. 
   Third, the construction of the energy grid needed to power
an industrial recovery. 
   In addition to these three areas of ``hard'' infrastructure,
I will develop two vital areas of so-called soft infrastructure,
which are of equal importance. 
   The fourth of the five, therefore, is the creation of a
new health care infrastructure which is consistent with the
already-established, but now much neglected, requirements of the
Hill-Burton Act of 1946. 
   Fifth, we shall develop educational facilities suitable for
the tasks of the rising productivity in the coming century. 
   Federal investment in these five areas of infrastrucutre
will immediately halt the current depression collapse--as nothing
less will do. But, on top of these measures, and in order to
promote continued growth and increase in industrial productivity,
we will need a sixth area of development. We will need a science
driver, some great national mission, like the Kennedy Apollo
program, whose goals will be the kind of scientific breakthroughs
which will transform our productive, technological base. 



(This is not his entire program - but it is representative and
typical)

Now some will say, well this is awesome power. How do we know 
LaRouche or some future president won't abuse it and become a 
tyrant. As far as LaRouche goes, the answer is that he is 
campaigning for these programs explicitly in a democratic way.
If, against all odds, he were ever to be in a position to
impliment such a program it would only be because he had sold 
the program to enough citizen-activists, who in turn had sold it
to enough voters, to cause him or a surrogate to be elected on
such a program. The people would know EXACTLY what policies they
were voting for and the election victory of LaRouche or an
associate would be a mandate for such a policy.

Whether such power would then be abused by a subsequent president,
one answer is that is is abused already by the faceless 
bureaucratics who control the Fed presently. Public abuse of power
by an elected official who must face the voters is infinitely 
easier to deal with. Beyond that, there would surely be institutional
safeguards, such as the involvement of COngress, etc. But ultimately,
the only guarantee against the abuse of ANY government power is 
citizen vigilance. If people woke up for a few years, elected 
LaRouche, and then weht back to sleep while his successor became an
economic dictator, we would have only ourselves to blame. 

The question of abolishing or reorienting the Fed is one of the
philosophy of power. Populists tend to want to destroy power
because they do not conceive of it as being under their control.
The have a perpetual victim image of the "little me" who is 
always being pushed around by the big guys. I think a more 
appropriate relation to power is to see it as both necessary and
good, and to devise ways in which we can all share in the 
responsibility for exercising power and making wise decisions
about the future direction of our society. 

I guess part of the point is that any government strong enough
to protect our rights will also be strong enough to violate them.
Which of these occurs in practice is up to us as citizens.

-Steve


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f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:



>[Steve Crocker writes]

>> The Fed has been a favorite target of conspiracy theorists over the
>> years precisely because it wields great power, does so in ways the
>> average person does not understand, is not democratically accountable,
>> and the silence on these matters in the mainstream media has been 
>> deafening. That many of these theories may shade off into nonsense >> around the edges should not detract from their valid insights.
>> 


>>>        I personally suspect we need to go further and abolish the Fed
>>>which appears to be a serious problem in our bankrupt economy and return
>>>to the economic thinking of Jefferson and Madison (Jefferson liquidated
>>>the Second Bank of the United States, the Fed of his day).  If Gritz
>>>is in favor of doing that, it's a point in his favor as far as I am
>>>concerned.
> 

>> Well, I have to disagree here. I like the ideas of Lyndon LaRouche, 
>> who proposes not to abolish the central bank, but to use its great
>> power for good rather than evil. Whether this would be done by taking
>> over the existing Fed, or abolishing it and replacing it with some
>> other form of central bank is a tactical question. The central issue
>> is not whether to have a central bank, but what policies it should 
>> follow. LaRouche proposes to cause the central bank to issue massive
>> amounts of new credit, at low interest rates (I think 2-4 %) and
>> target that credit preferentially toward investment in infrastructure,
>> high technology energy development, high tech capital goods, and a 
>> series of "great projects" in areas such as water resource development,
>> transportation infrastructure, etc. In fact, here is the proposal in 
>> his own words, excerpted from his TV broadcast of 3/08/92.
>> 
>> > (John Covici) >
>> 

>        [specific program deleted; please see previous thread]
>
>        The FED is perhaps "The Conspiracy" of the century.  Consider
>the problem of having the Fed around at even low interest rates.
>Remember the IRS started out with a program to tax only a few of
>the very wealthy in our society and if the FED is in place it can
>always grow like cancer.  But consider even the low 2 - 4% interest
>rate suggested.  A magic one ounce sphere of gold that grew at less
>than 3% a year would be larger than the earth in 2000 years.  The
>Dutch made a bum deal when they purchased Manhattan Island for $24
>worth of beads when they might have invested the same money at 6%
>interest and had more to show for it today--350 years later.

Well, I don't think there's NECESSARILY a problem with the exponential
growth inherent in interest. It depends on what the money is invested 
in. If you invest in PAPER (new debt to roll over old debt, other more
exotic instruments, etc.) then there is a serious problem. The interest
creates an exponentially expanding CLAIM on wealth which is not matched
by a corresponding PRODUCTION of wealth. In such a situation, the attempt
to preserve the perogatives of creditors inevitably leads to a financial
crisis. 

Typically, the attempt to resolve the crisis is through increasingly brutal 
austerity measures, culminating, in the case of Nazi Germany, with the 
practice of using slave labor on various labor intensive projects on some 
incredibly low calories per day of food which could not long support life. 
This is precisely what LaRouche has identified as the economic 
underpinnings of fascism. 

On the other hand, if investment is targeted toward areas which either
produce wealth individually, or enhance the ability of the system as
a whole to produce wealth (i.e. infrastructure, etc.), then this problem
does not arise. Real wealth increases exponentially and is available
to satisfy the claims of the creditors. 

But how do we get there from here? We are presently in a fairly advanced 
stage of the financial crisis. Is there an alternative to fascist 
austerity? LaRouche has come up with some rather ingenious monetary 
reorganization schemes in the past, drawing heavily on Alexander
Hamilton's policy of monetizing the debt of the early republic. I
don't understand all the technical details, but the concept as I 
understand it is that you do something like putting the whole economy 
through a bankruptcy reorganization. (He has proposed to do this on
an international scale as well, as regards third world debt, etc.)
This involves, in part, issuing new credit in the form of low-interest
gold-denominated bonds (i.e. the face value of the bond is pegged to 
the price of gold). These bonds would be used both to buy up the old
debt as a part of a general debt reorganization as well as for investment
in making the various debtor economies productive. 

A lot of what this would amount to in practice would be a massive 
investment in the industrialization of the third world, which would
enable these countries to become "creditworthy" in a very different 
sense than that envisioned by IMF mandated austerity "reforms". The
U.S economy would benefit from the jobs created by exporting capital
goods abroad. In a pamphlet I once wrote on this aspect of the program,
I referred to it as "exporting the twentieth century". 

The bonds mentioned above would be issued by the central banks 
controlled by the various sovereign nations involved, NOT by 
supra-nationally controlled bogus "National Banks" such as today's Fed.

>        Speaking at the dedication of a new federal hydroelectric dam
>project, Thomas Edison remarked that those who turned a shovel and
>actually built the dam received far less for their efforts than the
>bankers who financed the project.  He implied that the government
>could simply have issued the money to pay for the project.  Such an
>issue could then be 'retired' by some set-aside tariff or perhaps
>even revenue resulting from the dam itself.  This has been done
>quite successfully in societies before.  The danger of course is
>government temptation to print copious quantities of money but 
>something quite similar is happening now and safeguards could be
>established.  The interest rate is 0%. Unelected international bankers
>are stripped of their power that is so often comingled with many
>conflicts of interest at variance with the best interests of the
>population.  Power is returned to Congress where it is supposed to
>be under our Constitution that specifically gives the responsibility
>to coin money to Congress and which, technically, it has never
>surrendered although it has delegated it out to the Federal Reserve
>which is *not* a government institution but is in effect a private
>organization.

Well, at the lower levels at least, private banking performs a 
useful function in channelling necessary credit to local businesses,
and they should certainly be entitled to see some return. At the
level of the Fed, LaRouche certainly doesn't propose to let it
continue as the private instrument of the international banking
community, but woiuld put it under the control of democratically
elected representatives (I'm not sure what specific institutional
arrangements he proposes.) As to why he would retain some degree
of interest, I'm not sure, but I suspect it is involved in creating
a smooth interface with today's practices of investment for return, 
which cannot be expected to simply vanish.


>        Therefore, why have a Federal Reserve at all unless it is
>reduced to its proper role as a clerical agency to handle such a
>process.  A 'Put America back to work' type of program such as the
>would suggested to rebuild the national infrastructure could readily
>be funded under a scheme.  The "Power" of which you speak would be
>there; but it would be concentrated in the legislative branch where
>it belongs instead of in private hands with a tie-in to the executive
>branch.  A lot of our problem today is that Congress has lost too
>much of its power.  [Now if our Congressmen could only learn to
>balance their checkbooks].

I think LaRouche's program is probably close in substance to what you
are proposing, except that central banks would continue to function
recognizably as banks. However he definitely would want to see them 
as accountable to and under control of their respective national 
governments.

Although I am fuzzy on the technical details, the one thing I know
for sure is that LaRouche wants to put the power to issue currency 
back into the hands of sovereign nations. This, in my view, is a 
major reason why he is in prison today,

-Steve


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In article <19hgunINN3eb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
> 
> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> 
>>[Steve Crocker writes]
> 

> 
> Well, I don't think there's NECESSARILY a problem with the exponential
> growth inherent in interest. It depends on what the money is invested 
> in. If you invest in PAPER (new debt to roll over old debt, other more
> exotic instruments, etc.) then there is a serious problem. The interest
> creates an exponentially expanding CLAIM on wealth which is not matched
> by a corresponding PRODUCTION of wealth. In such a situation, the attempt
> to preserve the perogatives of creditors inevitably leads to a financial
> crisis. 

The problem can be [oversimplified] looked at this way:  A bank, private
or national, creates money when it makes a loan.  The value of the loan
then becomes an asset for the bank.  But the interest to repay the loan
is not created.  We are not playing a zero-sum game.  Somebody loses
when the bankers (with premeditation on an international basis) call the
notes every fifty years.  Stated another way, if I had the only ten dollars
in the world and loaned it to you at ten percent interest, where are you
going to get the dollar for interest repayment?  Kondratieff, a Soviet
economist sent to Siberia by Stalin for entertaining capitalistic ideas,
noted the 50/60 year cycle which is called the Kondratieff Long Wave.
But what drives this long wave if it is not the accumulation of debt
through interest buildup.  What is it that drives inflation but this
same force (presumptive??), and not Milton Friedman's definition that
inflation is caused by too much money chasing too few goods.  There is
more money around than ever.  But who has it?  The trickle down has
stopped.  Something can be done about this at a Federal level although
regulation of private banking is another matter and a pandora's I
had just as soon not open in this discussion. 

One more note:  A plot of the federal debt shows an interesting exponential
and supports the idea of the impossibility of repaying this debt with
anything akin to current monetary policy.

> 
> But how do we get there from here? We are presently in a fairly advanced 
> stage of the financial crisis. Is there an alternative to fascist 
> austerity? LaRouche has come up with some rather ingenious monetary 
> reorganization 
schemes in the past, drawing heavily on Alexander
> Hamilton's policy of monetizing the debt of the early republic. I
> don't understand all the technical details, but the concept as I 
> understand it is that you do something like putting the whole economy 
> through a bankruptcy reorganization. (He has proposed to do this on
> an international scale as well, as regards third world debt, etc.)
> This involves, in part, issuing new credit in the form of low-interest
> gold-denominated bonds (i.e. the face value of the bond is pegged to 
> the price of gold). These bonds would be used both to buy up the old
> debt as a part of a general debt reorganization as well as for investment
> in making the various debtor economies productive. 
> 

Aha. Mention of Alexander Hamilton.  Parts of this discussion are as 
old as the Republic itself.  Hamilton supporters wanted a central bank
and their thinking was opposed by Jefferson, Madison and later Jackson.
Jackson, in his farewell address to Congress warned of the perils of
central banking.  Wilson would have done well to have listened.

You mention that you feel LaRouche was sent to prison for his ideas on
monetary policy. [Forgive me for accidentally editing out your precise
statement].  I don't doubt this at all.  Not many things are as 
important to politicians as monetary policy and he was proposing drastic
changes [and improvements].  Although perhaps he stood little chance of
ever being elected to high office he was serving an educational purpose
in letting the public know that something was seriously wrong...irregardless
of the accuracy or error of his ideas on specific issues.  I suspect
as more information is made available on the ethics of those who have been
running the government is made available, he will be cast more in a
martyr role than as a villain.

[significant text deleted; see thread]



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f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
 
>[Steve Crocker writes]

>> Well, I don't think there's NECESSARILY a problem with the exponential
>> growth inherent in interest. It depends on what the money is invested 
>> in. If you invest in PAPER (new debt to roll over old debt, other more
>> exotic instruments, etc.) then there is a serious problem. The interest
>> creates an exponentially expanding CLAIM on wealth which is not matched
>> by a corresponding PRODUCTION of wealth. In such a situation, the attempt
>> to preserve the perogatives of creditors inevitably leads to a financial
>> crisis. 

>The problem can be [oversimplified] looked at this way:  A bank, private
>or national, creates money when it makes a loan.  The value of the loan
>then becomes an asset for the bank.  But the interest to repay the loan
>is not created.  We are not playing a zero-sum game.  Somebody loses
>when the bankers (with premeditation on an international basis) call the
>notes every fifty years.  Stated another way, if I had the only ten dollars
>in the world and loaned it to you at ten percent interest, where are you
>going to get the dollar for interest repayment?  Kondratieff, a Soviet

I think this analysis confuses the roles of money and wealth. In the most
primitive case, I will employ your $10 to purchase seeds and grow crops.
At harvest, I can simply give you back $11 dollars worth of wheat. In
actual practice, the government will print more dollars and loan them 
out, or private banks may create money via the "fractional reserve"
principle. In either case, the money eventually reaches the hands of 
someone who will buy my wheat and hopefully pay me more than $11, out
of which I will repay you. The point here is that monetary relationships 
should reflect the physical processes of wealth creation, rather than
subordinating those processes to the necessities of existing financial
structures.

>economist sent to Siberia by Stalin for entertaining capitalistic ideas,
>noted the 50/60 year cycle which is called the Kondratieff Long Wave.
>But what drives this long wave if it is not the accumulation of debt
>through interest buildup.  What is it that drives inflation but this
>same force (presumptive??), and not Milton Friedman's definition that
>inflation is caused by too much money chasing too few goods.  There is
>more money around than ever.  But who has it?  The trickle down has
>stopped.  Something can be done about this at a Federal level although
>regulation of private banking is another matter and a pandora's I
>had just as soon not open in this discussion. 

I'm not familiar with Kondratieff's work, so I can't comment too 
much here. I just want to say that financial relationships will
have different economic implications, depending on the physical
conditions of production. Robert Heinlein appears to have been
approaching this principle when he said (paraaphrased) We may
see the $10 hamburger, or even the $50 hamburger, but in the 
long run it won't matter AS LONG AS THERE'S PLENTY OF HAMBURGER.
(emphasis mine). Larouche places great emphasis on the need to
continually advance the level of technology embodied in capital
goods and infrastructure (and in the skill levels of society
generally). I think as long as your monetary arrangements are 
consistent with doing this, your economy will run physically
ok. When technology stagnates and productivity lags, at that 
point the exp[anding claims on wealth due to interest become
a problem, and research, plant expansion, and worker living
standards become canabalized to service the debt. "The wheels
of progress begin to run backwards". And people get ground up
in the gears.

>One more note:  A plot of the federal debt shows an interesting exponential
>and supports the idea of the impossibility of repaying this debt with
>anything akin to current monetary policy.

>> But how do we get there from here? We are presently in a fairly advanced 
>> stage of the financial crisis. Is there an alternative to fascist 
>> austerity? LaRouche has come up with some rather ingenious monetary 
>> reorganization schemes in the past, drawing heavily on Alexander
>> Hamilton's policy of monetizing the debt of the early republic. I
>> don't understand all the technical details, but the concept as I 
>> understand it is that you do something like putting the whole economy 
>> through a bankruptcy reorganization. (He has proposed to do this on
>> an international scale as well, as regards third world debt, etc.)
>> This involves, in part, issuing new credit in the form of low-interest
>> gold-denominated bonds (i.e. the face value of the bond is pegged to 
>> the price of gold). These bonds would be used both to buy up the old
>> debt as a part of a general debt reorganization as well as for investment
>> in making the various debtor economies productive. 

>Aha. Mention of Alexander Hamilton.  Parts of this discussion are as 
>old as the Republic itself.  Hamilton supporters wanted a central bank
>and their thinking was opposed by Jefferson, Madison and later Jackson.
>Jackson, in his farewell address to Congress warned of the perils of
>central banking.  Wilson would have done well to have listened.

LaRouche is a great admirer of Hamilton, and his organization has 
reprinted Hamilton's "Four Reports" (Report on... The Bank,  On Money
on Manufactures, and I forget the fourth). Interestingly enough, an
economic history of Japan, written by a Japanese scholar, credits
Hamilton's ideas and the example of the early U.S. debt reorganization
as being the inspiration for the Japanese economic expansion in the late
1800's during the Meiji restoration. Apparently, no less a figure than
ex-President Grant served as an economic advisor to Japan, and is quoted
as warning them against becoming entangled in foreign indebtedness. 


>You mention that you feel LaRouche was sent to prison for his ideas on
>monetary policy. [Forgive me for accidentally editing out your precise
>statement].  I don't doubt this at all.  Not many things are as 
>important to politicians as monetary policy and he was proposing drastic
>changes [and improvements].  Although perhaps he stood little chance of
>ever being elected to high office he was serving an educational purpose
>in letting the public know that something was seriously wrong...irregardless
>of the accuracy or error of his ideas on specific issues.  I suspect
>as more information is made available on the ethics of those who have been
>running the government is made available, he will be cast more in a
>martyr role than as a villain.

It hit me with somewhat of a shock once when I was reading one of 
LaRouche's books on economics, and in the middle of some hard to
digest technical discussion was this beautifully simple and profound
statement. "Whoever controls the currency rules." Think on the 
implications of THAT for a while, and it is not surprising at all
that the man who proposes that sovereign nations around the world 
take that power into their own hands is sitting in a prison cell.

-Steve
P.S. this will probably be my last post here for 3-4 days, as I'm
about to leave town until late thursday night.


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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
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Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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NLG Civil Liberties Committee  writes:

>This "LaRouche Sampler" of LaRouchian quotes was first 
>published in the Chicago Lawyer newspaper, April 1986

>The Beatles

>"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a 
>product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare 
>Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by 
>agencies which are controlled by British intelligence."
>          "Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict"
>          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
>          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

:) :) :) :)

Oh thank you Chip for including that one. Thank you so much.
And thanks for the whole article. Great work.

>History

>"History as it is taught in leading American universities 
>today is a deliberate systematic fraud. History textbooks in our 
>public schools, in particular insofar as they pertain to the 
>American Revolution and the issues leading up to the Civil War, 
>are total frauds." 
>          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., Radio broadcast, WGPR,           
>          Detroit, March 20, 1979

Oh shit, I almost agree with that one. :)

>"Episcopagans"

>"The inner hierarchy of the Episcopagan church is properly 
>viewed not merely as something within the established Church of 
>England, but as a coordinating agency for an array of forces with 
>arms not only among Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern 
>autocephalic denominations....It controls, with complicity of 
>Venice, Libya's psychotic Colonel Khadafy, and most of the New 
>York Council on Foreign Relations, as well as the psychological 
>warfare and assassination arm of British intelligence, the London 
>Tavistock Institute."
>          "Why the Anglicans Want to Eliminate the Pope",
>          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
>          Executive Intelligence Review, June 2, 1981

Wow, now I really regret not going to see the new Archbishop of Canterbury
when he swung through town last week. And not going with my parents to this
Church which is obviously much more interesting than it appeared to be.

Wow, and all this time I thought they were just singing in the church
choir. Rehearsals, yeah, that's the ticket, rehearsals ....
Those crafty little devils. I guess this explains why they bought us
those Beatles albums when we were kids. :)

>Impotence

>"To the extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, I 
>am now confident and capable of ending your [NCLC members'] 
>political - and sexual - impotence; the two are interconnected 
>aspects of the same problem."
>          "The Politics of Male Impotence",
>          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., (under pen name L. Marcus)
>          NCLC Internal Document, August 16, 1973

I'm sure they are ....
:) :) :)

But what is this physical limitation of Lyndon's, and what does
it have to do with his ability to cure impotence? Inquiring minds
want to know.

Also, is there any truth to the rumor that Lyndon LaRouche shared
a cell with James Bakker?
Inquiring minds just *can't bear* not knowing that one.

Oh boy, this is almost as much fun as alt.fan.dan-quayle before
the plague of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh cross-posters. :) :) :)

Tom Warner


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aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:


>(2) Pick a quote from Chip's collection. Tell me what YOU think it 
>means, and/or ask an intelligent question about it. I'll do my best
>to respond with an intelligent comment or answer.

>-Steve

Okay, Steve. I pick the Beatle quote. I think Lyndon is saying that
social engineers from the Tavistock Institute planned out how the
Beatles would write their lyrics and interact with the press, etc.,
so as to influence the minds of youths all over the world in a direction
somehow fitting into the plans of the British Monarchy.

What I want to know is, following this scheme, what does "Lucy in the
Sky with Diamonds" *really* mean?



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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:

>aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>>(2) Pick a quote from Chip's collection. Tell me what YOU think it 
>>means, and/or ask an intelligent question about it. I'll do my best
>>to respond with an intelligent comment or answer.

>Okay, Steve. I pick the Beatle quote. I think Lyndon is saying that
>social engineers from the Tavistock Institute planned out how the
>Beatles would write their lyrics and interact with the press, etc.,
>so as to influence the minds of youths all over the world in a direction
>somehow fitting into the plans of the British Monarchy.

>What I want to know is, following this scheme, what does "Lucy in the
>Sky with Diamonds" *really* mean?


First to recapitulate the quote in question:


>"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a 
>product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare 
>Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by 
>agencies which are controlled by British intelligence."
>          "Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict"
>          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
>          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

The first thing to notice is that a careful reading of the quote 
does not necessitate quite as close a connection to Tavistock as
implied in your interpretation. What is missing here as background
is the general analysis of the LaRouche organization as to what 
Tavistock is and how its influence is conduited. Tavistock is
described as a pioneer instution in the study of methods of social 
control and mass brainwashing. Theories developed at Tavistock are
often implimented by other instutions, and much of Tavistock's impact
is via a network of alumni and co-thinkers who have carried on its
work from their positions in other organizations. I take LaRouche to
mean here simply that the agencies which DID play a role in deploying
the Beatles used social-psychological insights originally derived from
Tavistock and their co-thinkers.

As to who those agencies may have been, I don't know. I doubt very
much that they planned out in detail how the Beatles would write their
lyrics and interact with the press. More likely, they picked out 
a struggling band that they judged would be open to the kind of
cultural influences they wanted to promote, and then just made sure
that John Lennon et al would have access to plenty of psychedelics,
a chance to party with the "right" people, and good business and media
connections. 

As to Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to recognize psychedelic imagery. I imagine the specific meanings of the
images are probably something very personal to John Lennon, but colorful
enough to appeal to acid heads and their cultural followers generally.

As to the influence of the British elites generally in creating 
psychedelic culture, you might want to check out the background
of Aldous Huxley and his drug-related activities in the fifties.

-Steve



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/* Written  9:28 am  Sep 20, 1992 by cberlet in cdp:publiceye */
/* ---------- "Complete PART report on Bo Gritz" ---------- */


FRONT MAN FOR FASCISM: "Bo" Gritz and the Racist Populist Party

A Background Research Report

by People Against Racist Terror (PART), Burbank, California

Copyright 1992, PART

    | For more information about the campaign to oppose Gritz and 
    | the Populists, contact PART, People Against Racist Terror, 
    | P.O. Box 1990, Burbank CA 91507

======================================================================
This is the  text of the PART report on Bo Gritz. A previous 
unauthorized edited version containing less than half of the full text 
of the PART report was circulated previously on electronic networks. 
That text should deleted and replaced with this complete version, 
which includes the PART address. Only circulate the full text.
======================================================================


FRONT MAN FOR FASCISM: "Bo" Gritz and the Racist Populist Party

     Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. "Bo" Gritz and his
supporters must know the truth of this bit of country common
sense.

     Yet four years ago, Bo Gritz (rhymes with Knights)
accepted a nomination to run for Vice-President of the United
States on a ticket with "former" Ku Klux Klan grand dragon
David Duke, from the Populist Party. And now, Bo is preparing
to run as the Populist Party candidate for President in 1992. In
1988, Bo had the good sense to resign from the ticket and run for
Congress from Nevada instead. But even as neo-nazi David
Duke parlayed the credibility he got from his Populist
presidential run into electoral success in Louisiana as a
Republican, Bo Gritz has attached himself irrevocably to the
Populist Party as its candidate for President.

     In recent years, Gritz has re-established  a good deal of
the credibility he lost several years ago after his naked self-
promotion for an abortive "raid" on south-east Asia. He claimed
he was going to find and free MIA's supposedly still held
captive. Whereas then, Gritz directed most of his fund-raising
efforts at the Hollywood right, like Clint Eastwood and William
Shatner, he has recently been focusing his speaking and fund-
raising activities in California and elsewhere around the
country more at progressives and others concerned about
George Bush and the New World Order. Gritz has been
speaking out about his discoveries of CIA involvement in heroin
trading in south-east Asia and his awareness while heading
Green Beret counter-insurgency efforts in Latin America of
similar involvement in cocaine dealing.

     As a result, he has been developing a wide audience, and
to some degree a following, among opponents of U.S.
intervention in the Third World. Leftists and even pacifists, who
would otherwise be extremely suspicious of this militarist, have
gone to hear him speak and been impressed by his exposes of
government double-dealing and corruption. He has had
substantial air-time on Pacifica radio; representatives of groups
such as the Christic Institute have made joint appearances
with him. Now, Gritz is trying to influence such people into
supporting his Populist Party presidential bid.

     The Populist Party, in spite of its friendly, democratic
sounding name, is an amalgamation of "former" Klansmen,
nazis, and other racist far-right wingers that was cobbled
together in 1984 with the support of Willis Carto, long
considered an anti-Semite and Hitler apologist, and his Liberty
Lobby. Carto was a member of the Populists' National Executive
Committee from its inception. The Party's first presidential
candidate in 1984, Rev. Bob Richards, virtually ceased
campaigning in embarrassment over the racist nature of the
party apparatus. Duke, its 1988 nominee, of course had no such
misgivings. Its first chairman, Robert Weems, a former
Mississippi KKK leader, described its strategy; "We Populists
have adopted a tri-partisan approach... we share with Lyndon
LaRouche..., within both major parties and through the
Populist Party itself." (Lyndon LaRouche is another neo-nazi
political figure backed by Carto who is now in federal prison.)

     Carrying out this strategy, the KKK/Populist David Duke
ran in the Democratic Presidential primaries, then in the
general election as a Populist, then in a special election in
Louisiana as a Republican. He used the notoriety, name
recognition, and national fund-raising base he built with the
Populists to win a seat in the state legislature and espouse his
"sanitized" racism. Even after winning office as a Republican
in 1989, Duke met with the Populists, including such party
stalwarts as Chicago nazi leader Art Jones. "Bo" has been
following the same multi-party strategy. Even after he resigned
from the Populist ticket with Duke in 19888, to run in the
Republican primary in Nevada, he wrote to the party, "I intend
to offer the Populist Party platform in my campaign, and carry
it forward in public office." Luckily, he lost in the primary.
     What is the Populist Party platform and who are the
Populist leaders? Racism and racists, only thinly disguised.
Don Wassall, the Pennsylvania state chairman who became
National Executive Director and now is locked in a power
struggle with Carto--the latest in a series of faction fights over
control of party finances--used the party's newspaper, the
Populist Observer, to reprint explicitly racist material from the
"National Democratic Front," an avowed white supremacist
group based in Maryland.

     Ralph Forbes, who ran Duke's Populist Campaign, is
another "ex" nazi and "ex" Klansman, who then switched
parties to run for office in Arkansas. While with the Populists,
he ran a "Christian Identity"-oriented radio ministry called
"The Sword of Christ." He recently filed suit to prevent a
medical school in his state from teaching about abortions.
Forbes continues to be closely associated with the Knights of the
Ku Klux Klan leader Thom Robb, who recently declared that the
KKK intends to train "one thousand David Dukes."

     Van Loman, who chaired the Ohio chapter of the Populist
Party, and ran under its banner for the Cincinnati City Council,
was formerly the Grand Dragon of the Ohio Knights of the Ku
Klux Klan.

     Jerry Pope, once the state Populist chair in Kentucky,
was an organizer of the National States Rights Party, the
segregationist, anti-semitic grouping led by convicted
Birmingham church bomber J.B. Stoner. (Interestingly, when
Duke switched to the Republicans and won a seat in the
Louisiana legislature, his opponent, endorsed by the "official"
Republican apparatus from Reagan and Bush on down, had
also been a member of the racist NSRP.)

     In Washington State, in 1989, the United Front Against
Fascism held several successful demonstrations against the
Populists, thwarting their efforts to obtain ballot status in one
county. As a result, anti-racist organizers received death
threats, The Christian Sons of Liberty, an "Identity" group
central to Populist organizing there, put out viscous red-baiting
and anti-gay attacks on UFAF leaders. The CSL published
home addresses of UFAF organizers, in a clear attempt to
foment violence.

     Locally in California, the Populist Part is cut from the
same mold. California has always been one of the strongest
state affiliates of the Populists. David Duke raised 11% of the
funds for his Louisiana legislative race in California. Half the
money for his gubernatorial campaign came from outside of
Louisiana, much of it from California. Local leaders of the
Populists have included former San Fernando/Simi Valley
Klan leader Dennis Hilligoss, and Harbor-area nazi activist Joe
Fields, an associate of Nazi party chieftain Stan Witek and Tom
Metzger of WAR (White Aryan Resistance). Fields is, in fact, a
member of the party's National Executive Committee.

     Behind the Gritz campaign, the Populists have become
the most active neo-nazi group in southern California, and are
successfully uniting a variety of racists in their ranks. This
year, the Populists have sponsored several programs in Orange
County, one featuring John Tyndall, leader of the neo-nazi
National Front in England. Another spotlighted the impeached
ex-governor of Arizona, Evan Mecham, whose reactionary
forces have allied with fundamentalist preacher Pat Robertson
to take over the Republican Party in his home state. Among the
participants at the Populist parlay was Kim Badynski, head of
the virulent Northwest Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in
Washington State. In Ventura County and up north to Alameda
County, the California Populists have held party meetings to
commemorate Aldolf Hitler's birthday. Such Populist
organizing legitimizes the fear and hatred of the privileged for
the oppressed that generates hate crime.

     The danger of the Populists and the Gritz campaign is
not that he will win the presidency. As of this writing, the
Populists have not yet achieved ballot status in any state;
(although here in California, they will presumably run under
the American Independent banner, a recognized state party
still on the ballot since running George Wallace for President in
the sixties). The real danger is that the Populists will succeed in
further legitimizing racist and anti-semitic politics. They have
a long-range goal, of unifying Christian rightists and Christian
patriots, anti-abortionists and anti-semites, into an apparatus
dominated by neo-nazis. With Gritz, they have the added bonus
at the same time of coopting or at least disarming progressive
forces that would have otherwise have exposed and opposed
them. Unifying with Gritz would inevitably discredit the white
left with the movements for immigrants rights, Black
empowerment, women's liberation and gay and lesbian dignity.

     No one concerned about conspiracies and abuse of
government power, about spiritual development or the survival
of the planet, should offer the racist and fascistic oriented
Populist Party a shred of legitimacy. The Ku Klux Klan has
always been the number one racist conspiratorial group in U.S.
history, seeking power to carry out its divisive and destructive
program. The Populist Party is the latest hood these night
riders have put on to mask their identities so they can win
popular support for carrying out their racist terror. DON'T BE
HOOD-WINKED!

     The problem with "Bo" Gritz's Populist candidacy is not
merely one of guilt by association with neo-nazis. Gritz himself
openly embraces the Populists' politics of anti-semitism,
racism, anti-immigrant hysteria and anti-gay bigotry. As
criticism has begun to emerge of the Populists, Gritz has
claimed in his speaking engagements that he has "cleaned
house" since the Duke days. But this is an outright lie. Joe
Fields, for example, the open neo-nazi who heads the Populists
in L.A., is also a current national officer of the Party. What's
more, Gritz's connections to racists and anti-semites extend
beyond the ranks of the Populist Party itself.

     For example, Gritz is a member of the board of the
Populist Action Committee (PAC), established by Willis Carto of
the Spotlight. Although Carto is on the outs with the current
leadership of the Populist Party, accusing them of financial
mismanagement, he supports Gritz, and Gritz in turn supports
the PAC's approach of backing sympathetic Democrats and
Republicans as well as Populists. While many of Gritz's
southern California speaking appearances seem directed at
progressives, the bulk of his organizing and speech-making is
carried out through the apparatus of the "Christian Identity"
movement, which preaches that Anglo-Americans are the true
"chosen people" of the Bible, that Jews are satan-spawn, and
that non-whites are "pre-Adamic," that is, sub-human. The
Coalition for Human Dignity in Portland, OR has documented
the involvement of the so-called "Christian Patriot" Identity
churches in the Gritz campaign in that state, as well as
participation by nazi skins.

     In particular, Gritz is closely tied to the Rev.  Pete Peters,
a national leader of Christian Identity based in Ft. Collins, CO.
Gritz has spoken at Peters' "Scriptures for America" Rocky
Mountain Bible Retreat, also attended by such noted anti-
semites as "Col." Jack Mohr and by KKK defense attorney Kirk
Lyons. Lyons' Patriotic Defense Foundation has represented
nazi boneheads, the Order white supremacy underground
sedition defendants, and is now coordination Tom Metzger's
appeal of his liability for the nazi skin killing of an Ethiopian
refugee. Gritz has spoken at similar Christian Identity
gatherings in the northwest, in Nampa, Idaho, and in North
Carolina, where he has shared the rostrum with neo-nazis.

     The connection to Mohr and Peters is particularly
striking because the two were part of the incident which
precipitated the murderous birth of the "Order" or "Bruder
Schweigen," a neo-nazi underground, in the early 1980's.
Richard Mathews and David Lane, the founders of this
clandestine, para-military outfit, hooked up at Peter's La Porte
based "church." And it was the humiliation of Jack Mohr, a
guest of Peter's in Colorado, by Denver talk show host Alan
Berg, which prompted the Order conspirators to execute Berg
and initiate their reign of racist terror. (This incident was
dramatized in the films "Talk Radio" and "Betrayed.") Mohr,
meanwhile, has been promoting the Populist Party since its
inception through his para-military network, the Christian
Patriots Defense League.

     In a speech to Peter's retreat, Gritz acknowledged that
the money to print his self-published campaign autobiography,
"Called to Serve," came from Rev. Peters. "Called to Serve"
spells out Gritz's own far-right views pretty clearly. He refers to
the "Rockefeller/Rothschild" Federal Reserve System as being
controlled by "seven Jewish families." This is not a momentary
aberration or a slip of the tongue. At his "Call for Action '90"
conference in Nevada, Gritz featured the anti-semitic views of
Eustace Mullins in analyzing the Federal reserve, and he
distributes the work of Mullins, who was a supporter of Erza
Pound and the Italian fascists. Reflecting his Christian Identity
beliefs, Gritz refers to America in "Called to Serve" as "the new
Zion," and white Christians as "the gathering tribes of Israel."

     These views are also reflected and expressed in Gritz's
own campaign literature for his Populist candidacy. In a four-
page brochure signed and authorized by Gritz, the ex-Green
Beret couches his program less in electoral than in
revolutionist terms. "We can, we will, we must oust 'the'
government and restore 'our' sovereignty. We need a second
American Revolution." The racist nature of this revolutionism
is evident in the rest of the platform he puts forward. Referring
to his enemy as "seditious bankers" and  "satanic globalists,"
Gritz pledges to "derail their plans and send them back into the
abyss." The platform is full of xenophobia and racism. "It's
time to return America to the Americans,... halt the illegal
immigration that is turning America into a Third World
country,... end affirmative action,... end this country's decedent,
degenerate ways. I've spent my life fighting for America, and
now it's time to fight again. Will you be a part of my grassroots
army?"

     This militaristic rhetoric, wrapped in thinly-veiled code
words for anti-Semitism, racism, sexism, and homophobia, is
an invitation to his followers to engage in cross-burnings, gay-
bashings and vandalism. Nor does Gritz try to separate himself
from the party as a whole. He specifically tries to develop "coat-
tails" in his campaign literature, calling on his backers to
support other Populist candidates for state and local offices.

     The Populists have been using Gritz's candidacy to step up 
their racist organizing all around the country. PART learned 
about the Populists' L.A. organizing and its local anti-
immigrant, anti-semitic activities while distributing a leaflet 
headed "Bo Knows the Truth About the Racist Populist Party," at 
an appearance by Gritz at the L.A. airport Hilton.

     Typically, that event was sponsored not by the Populists 
themselves, but by a local "new age" bookstore, Mandala Books, 
which has been running a conspiracy lecture series. They invited 
the Christic Institute to have a table after becoming worried 
about Bo's racist and rightist affiliates. But the Populists also 
had a table at the event, and were out in force. They began anti-
Jewish harassment of the anti-racist activist who was 
distributing the expose of their racist nature, calling him 
alternately a Communist and an agent of the Mossad (Israeli 
espionage), and saying he looked like Jewish attorney Alan 
Dershowitz. Many of the several hundred people drawn to the event 
were evidently disturbed by the Populists' tactics, and 
questioned Gritz about his connections with them during the 
event. Gritz defended the party and was more open about his won 
rightist politics than he has been in the past.

     PART exposed and demonstrated outside a gathering of the 
Populists at the Hastings Ranch public library in Pasadena, CA in 
September. They were meeting to plan a "Borderwatch" 
demonstration for later in the month. They had a speaker from a 
group called "Stop Immigration Now," which has been involved with 
"Light Up the Border" demonstrations in San Diego. Another 
planned speaker, an Arab doctor who went on a delegation to 
Jordan led by Nord Davis, a white racist from North Carolina who 
was opposed to the Gulf War, canceled after PART exposed the 
meeting and the racist nature of the Populists. We expressed 
outrage that the Populists would be promoting anti-immigrant 
hysteria on the eve of Mexican independence day, and propagating 
anti-semitism in the midst of the Jewish high holidays. The 
following month, the Populists met at the library again under 
heavy police guard. Five counter-demonstrators were arrested, and 
several brutally wrestled down and struck by police in riot gear.

     A contingent of about half a dozen Black men associated with 
the Self Determination Committee have attended the Populist 
events in Pasadena. The Self-Determination Committee, run by a 
Black pseudo-nationalist named Robert Brock, has been prominently 
allying itself with white supremacist in southern California for 
several years. Brock's most notable association has been with 
Daniel Johnson, author of the so-called Pace Amendment to the 
Constitution, which would restrict U.S. citizenship to people of 
northern European extraction. The Populists have picked up 
members from the pace Amendment Advocates, which closed its 
Glendale, CA headquarters after Johnson moved to Montana to run 
for Congress. They also seem to be emphasizing the anti-Jewish 
and anti-immigrant aspects of their politics to cement an 
alliance of convenience with Brock's group. Fields tries to cite 
this opportunistic alliance to claim that the Populists are not 
racist.

     Told they had to put up a bond to cover the costs of police 
protection and that they could not exclude people from the 
library, the Populists tried to meet elsewhere. In November, the 
Populists' youth front group, Students for America, tried to 
sponsor a Populist-inspired conference at Pasadena City College 
Featuring Fields, Brock and a speaker from the American 
Independent Party (the right-racist group with ballot status in 
California which ran both George Wallace and unreconstructed 
white racist Lester Maddox for president). The college canceled, 
evidently for reasons of security, after the nature of the 
gathering was exposed. (PCC students had been among those 
arrested at the library demonstrations.) The Populists then tried 
to secure the meeting hall of the American Friends Service 
Committee in Pasadena under false pretenses. The AFSC also 
canceled when they were informed of who it actually was trying to 
rent their facility.

     The youth group which fronted for the Populists in Pasadena, 
"Students for America," is also organizing on at least one other 
campus in this area. Students for America was set up nationally 
as the shell of a youth formation for the Populists but now seems 
to be taking on a real existence. The chapter at Cal State 
University in Northridge, scene of several reason {{sic}} hat 
incidents directed against lesbians and gays, Jews and Mexicans, 
planned to bring embattled L.A. police chief Daryl Gates to the 
campus to speak on Wednesday, Nov. 13. Gates canceled at noon on 
the day of his scheduled appearance, supposedly because of fears 
of security problems, after students from the BSU, MEChA and 
SQUISH, a new lesbian and gay group, planned to demonstrate. 
Stefan Khachaturian, who described himself as a regional 
coordinator for Students for America, vowed that Gates would come 
to speak to a private, closed meeting of the group. Students for 
America is also reportedly organizing in the "Inland Empire" area 
of Riverside and San Bernardino counties, east of Los Angeles.

           JOE FIELDS: THE FACE OF THE POPULISTS

     The head of the L.A. County chapter of the Populists, also a 
member of its national executive committee, who chaired the 
Pasadena meeting, is Joe Fields. One Joe Fields in national 
leadership is more than enough to discredit any political 
formation, and Fields is typical, not exceptional, in the ranks 
of the Populists. Fields has been a nazi activist of long-
standing in the L.A. Harbor area. He has also become a national 
"footnote" to the story of David Duke's campaign for governor of 
Louisiana, after a tape recorded interview with Fields and Duke 
was widely circulated. On the tape, Fields openly asserted his 
nazi identity and beliefs, such as that the Jews deserve 
"everything they get, even extermination," while Duke admonishes 
him to be more discreet. It's ironic that Fields, who boasts on 
the tape that he would "never deny" he is a nazi, now is denying 
it, having taken Duke's advice to heart. Fields specifically 
opposes democracy on the tape, noting that it allows "anything 
that can claim to be human to vote." His speech is riddled with 
references to "kikes" and "niggers." Now Fields professes to be a 
supporter of the Bill of Rights, but on the tape he declares 
matter of factly that he would suppress any speech that he deems 
not in the interest of the white race.

     Like David Duke, Fields has made a career since his youth of 
his neo-nazi politics. On the tape he expresses the admiration he 
has had for Hitler and the nazis ever since he saw war movies as 
a little boy. While a student at L.A. Harbor College, Fields ran 
a series of articles in the student newspaper calling the 
Holocaust a hoax, some taken without attribution from right-wing 
publications. He was disciplined for meeting on campus with Tom 
Metzger to plan the distribution of "holo-Hoax" material.

     Later, openly acknowledging his nazi affiliation, Fields 
joined three other nazi party members in wearing swastikas into 
an Oktoberfest celebration at a German restaurant. The nazis were 
expelled after refusing to remove the nazi regalia (and because 
the bathroom had been vandalized with nazi graffiti on their 
previous visit.) Fields sued, represented by the ACLU, and won. 
(On the gape, Fields refers to his defenders as the "ACL-Jew".) 
One of Fields' co-plaintiffs in the swastika case, nazi party 
chieftain Stan Witek, was convicted on weapons and assault 
charges and more recently for conspiracy for burning crosses in 
L.A. along with Tom Metzger during this same period of time. 
Fields himself got into a brawl with Jewish activists at a City 
Council action in 1988 on the swastika case. 

     After "leaving" the nazis, Fields was closely associated 
with the Institute for Historical Review, set up to question 
Hitler's genocide by Willis Carto, publisher of the Spotlight and 
founder of the Populist Party. He married a South African woman. 
Like David Duke, who underwent plastic surgery, Fields has 
changed his appearance; he has trimmed down from a weight that 
once exceeded 300 pounds. But neither man has changed his white 
supremacist politics. Remember - a vote for "Bo" Gritz is a vote 
for Joe Fields and the politics of hate he represents.

     PART is planning a continuing campaign against Gritz and the 
Populists. Gritz and such backers of his as Craig Hulet (a/k/a 
K>C. De Pass) have been getting a lot of air time on KPFK here in 
L.A. and other Pacifica Stations. His material has been reprinted 
and promoted by the progressive oriented conspiracy catalog from 
Prevailing Winds Research in Santa Barbara. Hulet, who also has 
been involved in Spotlight and Liberty Lobby circles, claims to 
be apolitical but against racism himself, and to have his 
disagreements with Gritz. Yet he is urging the left to disregard 
or mute criticism of Gritz, claiming such criticisms are really 
coming from George Bush and the "globalists." Gritz returned the 
favor by promoting a Hulet meeting in Seattle in October 1991. 
The PWR promo for Gritz's literature includes a pamphlet by long-
time anti-semite Eustice Mullins. The Christic Institute, for 
another example, allowed itself to be used to give Gritz 
credibility, at the same time that it presents itself as an anti-
racist organization.

     After several exposes and criticism of this connection, 
Christic has begun to back away from Gritz. They issued a 
somewhat self-contradictory disclaimer of their involvement. 
After saying that Christic "does not form alliances with racist 
or anti-semitic extremists," Sara Nelson, the national director 
of the Christic Institute in a letter to In These Times objecting 
to an article documenting Christic participation in Gritz-
sponsored activities, goes on to say, "we can be accused of not 
having severed our relationship with him earlier than we did." 
Christic needs to more forthcoming about what that 
"relationship" was, and why they were unaware of this years-long 
involvement with the Populists. Even in this letter, Nelson says 
only that "the charges against Gritz, if true, are extremely 
serious." In reprinting the letter in their own newsletter, 
Christic frames it with the assertion that they had no formal 
relationship with Gritz and were "saddened and shocked" to hear 
of his affiliation.

     In another chilling example, progressives associated with 
"Vox Populi," an attempted anti-intervention coffee-house in the 
Venice area, helped a local activist who calls himself "Tom 
Reveille" to start up a "pirate" radio station, a mini-
transmitter not covered by the FCC. Reveille turned out to be a 
follower of Willis Carto, the notorious anti-semite. He has 
received funds with which to continue broadcasting from Carto, 
and devotes his air time to questioning the Holocaust. Reveille 
has admitted meeting with Joe Fields and with open members of the 
Nazi Party. Meanwhile, programmers at KPFK and KPFA continue to 
grant substantial air time to Gritz and other who advocate an 
alliance of the left and right (including racists) against George 
Bush, while denying access to their air to researchers and 
activists who would expose these dangerous developments.

     The "new age" movement is another area where Gritz, the 
Populists, and other racists have been recruiting. The Alexandria 
II bookstore in Pasadena has held a book-signing party for Gritz, 
to peddle "Called to Serve." It has distributed "Phoenix 
Express," a bizarre "new age" publication with supposedly 
"channeled" writing from spirits which support Gritz and have 
regurgitated the vicious anti-semitic forgery "Protocols of the 
Elders of Zion." Mandala Bookstore in Santa Monica, despite 
expressing misgivings about the Populists, continues to sponsor 
Gritz and other similar speakers, mixed in with John Stock well 
or Daniel Sheehan as if there were no distinction.

     Another area of intense Gritz/Populist recruitment is among 
"conspiracy buffs." The Spotlight crowd, through Carto's 
"Noontide Press," has always mixed claims of CIA double-dealing 
with theories about Jewish/Masonic domination. Thus Willis Carto 
has promoted Mark Lane's conspiracy theories about the Kennedy 
assassination and rightist Fletcher Prouty's "insider" exposes of 
the CIA; Craig Hulet relies on Anthony Sutton, whose books are 
mainly marketed by neo-nazi, for a critique of the Trilateral 
Commission. Some people are swallowing this bait, and getting 
hooked for the rest of the Populist politics. Prevailing Winds 
Research's catalog continues to offer Gritz's material without 
any disclaimer or warning, as if it were equivalent to the anti-
imperialist analyses of Michael Parenti or the anti-fascist 
exposes by Russ Bellant which they also offer. Groups in 
Portland, Colorado, San Francisco, and L.A., are marketing video 
and audio tapes of Gritz and/or Hulet on a similarly co-equal 
basis with those of anti-war and anti-imperialist speakers. This 
is highly irresponsible.

     Progressives and anti-racists must draw a clear line that 
exposes and condemns Gritz and his racist and neo-fascist allies 
in the Populist Party. The Christic Institute, for example, needs 
to recognize that the "unity" Gritz and the Populists are talking 
about is the same unity as that of the nazi-klan united front 
which took the lives of five anti-klan protesters in Greensboro, 
North Carolina -- a case where Christic represented the families 
of those killed by the nazis. Christic's association with Gritz 
and the rest of the racist Populists, even if unwitting, is an 
unjustifiable insult to the memory of those martyrs and must end 
immediately and totally. Christic should join the campaign to 
expose Bo's campaign for the fascist vehicle it is.  Christic 
should take the lead in condemning the Gritz campaign, rather 
than demanding retractions from those who have raised criticisms 
and concerns. It should share frankly and self-critically with 
its followers in the process of deception and rationalization by 
which it was hoodwinked, so that other can escape the same fate.

==================================================================
     For more information about the campaign to oppose Gritz and 
the Populists, contact PART, People Against Racist Terror, P.O. 
Box 1990, Burbank CA 91507


From ubc-cs!destroyer!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!colten Mon Sep 21 08:15:00 PDT 1992
Article: 10897 of alt.activism
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From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: Why The Statue of General Albert Pike Must be Destroyed
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In article <19ee6mINNck8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
> 
> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
> 
> >I didn't include the original message here because you can go
> >back and read the original.  If anyone can read that message
> >and doubt for an instant that everything that's been said
> >about LaRouche being a foaming at the mouth, psychopathic,
> >anti-semitic lunatic is true, then there's no convincing.  I've seen
> >dozens of his idiotic messages on here but this one hits
> >every button there is.  I mean the only thing left for the
> >guy is for his brain to burn out like a lightbulb.
> 
> I take this to mean LaRouche has said things that differ radically
> from the way you see the world and that you find this offensive.
> 

So far - very true.  I find it offensive that LaRouche writes all
these speeches in which Jews are the bad guys and they are simply
posted to the net as fact.

> >He starts with the statue of some guy and moves on to 
> >topics like:
> 
> The "guy" was named Albert Pike, a historical figure and very
> connected to the events discussed iin the rest of the speech.
> 
> >B'nai Brith being the "Pro-slavery" arm of American Jews,
> >founding the Klan, sending neo-nazis and skinheads into
> >Germany.
> 
> If you think this charge is false, it would be useful to state why.
> 

You want ME to tell YOU why this is false?  Sure, right after I tell
you why I think that little green men from Mongo IV did NOT kill JFK.
He made the accusations - you prove it.

> >The Klan being an arm of British Intelligence, and the
> >civil was actually a war against Britain.
> 
> British support for the Confederacy is a matter of unquestioned
> historical fact. As for the Klan connection, why don't you read
> some history before jumping to conclusions.
> 

The British supported the Confederacy and wanted it to win.  That's
a big jump to "The British shot Lincoln" to put their puppet
Andrew Johnson in the White House.  Where's your proof for all this?
None is mentioned in the speech.

> >the Masons being behind all this stuff as agents for
> >Britain.
> 
> Well, he names names and cites circumstances. Why don't you look
> some of them up.
> 
He does not mention names and circumstances so much as he simply
states that the freemasons were behind everything and everybody
and that the Confederacy and most of Europe were puppets of
a Masonic conspiracy.

> >After that he spins off into Aristotle (bad), Plato (good),
> >Henry Kissinger, the Warbugs, the Federal reserve, the
> >income tax and his 2500 year struggle between these dark
> >forces behind the scenes.   There's too many things in
> >that message to even catalog.
> 
> I can see that this all seems very strange to you.
> 
I wonder if you can.  The question is - why doesn't any of this
sound a trifle bizarre to you?

> >Jeez.  What would really be educational would be a video
> >of Larouche typing or dictating this insanity. It might
> >be very educational.
> 
> What would be educational would be to pick up a book or two
> and check out some of the people, organizations and events
> mentioned before starting to foam at the mouth. A response
> asking whether the person posting this material had any 
> further background material to support controversial
> statements made in LaRouche's speech would also have been
> appropriate.


The speech is filled with unprovable assertions on secret
conspiracies of Masons, Jews, and the English.  I've seen
books and other postings on this subject and they basically
parrot each other - making the same accusations - but never
any "proof".  If the poster had any "background material" he
should have posted it (or at least references) a long time
ago, instead of simply making thousands of insulting and
probably libelous remarks accusing Jews of slavery and
treason.

I truly couldn't care less what LaRouche, Covici, you
or anything thinks about these things.  Think away.  But
I can't just sit around silently while crap like this
is poured onto the net.  You expect to make accusations
linking people to slavery, assasination, violence in
Europe and not to be called on it.  The speech had not
one single shred of what might be called proof.


marc colten



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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Why The Statue of General Albert Pike Must be Destroyed
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Anybody interested in more background about the references in LaRouche's
speech, be sure and see the article KKK: A Scottish Rite Project posted
here in alt.activism by John Covici. It is an edited version of a speech
given at the same conference by Tony Chaitkin, a LaRouche affiliated 
writer specializing in American History and author of the book "Treason
in America - From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman". Should anyone be
tempted to raise the specter of anti-semitism based on Mr. Chaitkin's
references to various Jewish individuals and organizations, it is 
interesting to note that in his book he is described as "... the son
of Jacob Chaitkin, an attorney who spent the 1930's fighting Nazi
Germany's corporate and legal collaborators in the United States."
-Steve


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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
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Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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In article <19j7kaINN76l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
   cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:
   >aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

   >>(2) Pick a quote from Chip's collection. Tell me what YOU think it 
   >>means, and/or ask an intelligent question about it. I'll do my best
   >>to respond with an intelligent comment or answer.

   >Okay, Steve. I pick the Beatle quote. I think Lyndon is saying that
   >social engineers from the Tavistock Institute planned out how the
   >Beatles would write their lyrics and interact with the press, etc.,
   >so as to influence the minds of youths all over the world in a direction
   >somehow fitting into the plans of the British Monarchy.

   >What I want to know is, following this scheme, what does "Lucy in the
   >Sky with Diamonds" *really* mean?

   First to recapitulate the quote in question:

   >"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a 
   >product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare 
   >Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by 
   >agencies which are controlled by British intelligence."
   >          "Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict"
   >          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
   >          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

   The first thing to notice is that a careful reading of the quote 
   does not necessitate quite as close a connection to Tavistock as
   implied in your interpretation. What is missing here as background
   is the general analysis of the LaRouche organization as to what 
   Tavistock is and how its influence is conduited. Tavistock is
   described as a pioneer instution in the study of methods of social 
   control and mass brainwashing. Theories developed at Tavistock are
   often implimented by other instutions, and much of Tavistock's impact
   is via a network of alumni and co-thinkers who have carried on its
   work from their positions in other organizations. I take LaRouche to
   mean here simply that the agencies which DID play a role in deploying
   the Beatles

So what groups do you think have been so ``deployed'' today?  Or was
this a one shot deal?  Were the Beatles and the Stones actually arms
of the same conspiracy?  Were they deployed by competing conspirators?
And where do the Who and the Kinks fit in?  Does Uncle Lyndie have a
conspiracy lover's chart to who was controlling which groups?  What
about the San Francisco sound?  And was the ill-fated ``Boss-Town
Sound'' an unstart conspiracy that was crushed by its older brothers?
C'mon, perspiring minds want to know!  (Also, I'd love to know what
conpsiracy ``deplyed'' The Velvet Underground and The United States of
America.  Not to mention Joe Bird and the Field Hippies.)

	       used social-psychological insights originally derived from
   Tavistock and their co-thinkers.

   As to who those agencies may have been, I don't know. I doubt very
   much that they planned out in detail how the Beatles would write their
   lyrics and interact with the press. More likely, they picked out 
   a struggling band that they judged would be open to the kind of
   cultural influences they wanted to promote, and then just made sure
   that John Lennon et al would have access to plenty of psychedelics,
   a chance to party with the "right" people, and good business and media
   connections.

So, did they know beforehand that they would be successful or did they
have a number of groups on tap, knowing that mass popularity can't be
created or predicted?  (And if you believe it can be, look at a group
like The Knack, that tried to do just that, and now are probably
remembered only by Trivial Pursuit players.)

   As to Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
   to recognize psychedelic imagery.

It occasionally does take a rocket scientist to recognize irony and/or
sarcasm.  Or to feel that hand on the leg.

				     I imagine the specific meanings of the
   images are probably something very personal to John Lennon,

Um, Lennon's son had done a drawing; John asked what it was and
received the reply: ``Lucy in the sky with diamonds.''

							       but colorful
   enough to appeal to acid heads and their cultural followers generally.

Sigh.  So you mean everybody who liked/likes Sgt. Pepper's was either
an acid head or follower of same?

   As to the influence of the British elites generally in creating 
   psychedelic culture, you might want to check out the background
   of Aldous Huxley and his drug-related activities in the fifties.

Did Huxley's experiments create psychedelic culture or was he a high
culture member who engaged in psychedelic culture activities?  The two
are not identical, you know.

Stepping back from this, you mean you actually think that the notion
that the Beatles were deployed by some agency to manipulate popular
culture is a reasonable thing to say and not evidence of paranoia,
delusion, or demagoguery on good ole Uncle Lyndon's part?  You really
expect people to take this sort of claim seriously?  Aside from the a
priori unlikelihood of the whole idea, what is the evidence for it?
That one can a posteriori make up a rationalization for anything ole
Unca Lynda says is not in question; the question is rather whether or
not there is any support for the claim.

-30-
Bob


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From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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In a previous article, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) says:

>
>>ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

>>> First to recapitulate the quote in question
>>>
>>> >"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a 
>>> >product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare 
>>> >Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by 
>>> >agencies which are controlled by British intelligence."
>>> >          "Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict"
>>> >          Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., 
>>> >          Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

>
>Well, I don't have the kind of specific knowledge about the popular
>music industry that would be needed to try to seriously address any 
>of this. I think it is undeniable that the industry in the late sixties
>and early seventies had a degree of openness to counter-culture music
>which was virtually equivalent to endorsement. Which leading companies
>may have had oligarchical and/or intelligence connections via their
>financing or management and which were merely jumping on the bandwagon
>for commercial reasons is difficult to say, without a lot of research.
>
>However, I will deliver one bit of history I am aware of as regards the
>"San Francisco sound". Once upon a time there was a young female
>anthropologist who wrote what was later to become a classic "Coming of
>Age in Samoa". This study compaared adolescence in Samoan society to 
>that in the U.S. As part of her conclusion, she suggested that American
>teen-agers focussed their emotional energy on a specific romantic interest,
>while Somoan youth tended to be much more diffuse and generalized in their
>affections. There is a clear implication in her tone that she found the
>Samoan system preferable. Margaret Mead eventually married the psychologist 
>Gregory Bateson, who is at least reputed to be the intellectual mentor of 
>Stewart Brand, who is perhaps best known as the founder of the Whole Earth 
>Catalog. 
>
>What is more interesting, is what Mr. Brand was doing some years earlier. 
>As recorded in Tom Wolfe's "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test", he returned 
>from his bus trip with Ken Kessey's Merry Pranksters to become the 
>organizer of the San Francisco Trips Festival. This project involved 
>finding a closed movie theater in what was then called a "Negro ghetto"
>section of San Francisco, and renting it for a giant party. LSD was
>put in the punch, and some of the participants were even aware of it.
>Exotic light effects were set up to addd to the atmosphere, and a local 
>band was hired to play.
>
>
>
>Stewart Brand's "Trips Festival" was indeed destined to become part of
>the history of the sixties. For you see, the movie theater renovated
>for this party was named the Fillmore, located in the ghetto neighborhood
>called Haight-Ashbury. And the unknown rock band had taken or would soon 
>take a name derived from the metaphysics of the psychedelic experience, 
>The Grateful Dead. 
>
>And Now You Know ... THE REST OF THE STORY.
>
>
>
>We can only speculate as to the degree of intellectual influence of
>Margaret Mead on her husband's protege. What is undeniable, is that the
>culture which Stewart Brand was so singularly involved in helping create
>espoused the very value shift advocated by Mead in her book. (If any
>participants here are reading this on the Well, and have contact with
>Stewart Brand, his comments would be welcome and enlightening).

It's posts like this that make alt.conspiracy such an endless delight to
read. I mean, it's paranoid tripe, but it's GOOD paranoid tripe, and the
thing is, the whole thing is sort of shifted 89.9999 degrees from reality.
EVERTHING fits. So were Bateson, Mead and Brand all in the pay of the 
Rothschilds? I suppose the Media Lab must be in this up to their clavichords, 
right? Stewart Brand wrote that book about them that I thought was so cool.
Now I know. And, I mean, EVERYTHING that had an influence on sixties culture --
John Cage (requiescat in pace)! STAR TREK, for crying out loud. Now I 
understand ... _Stranger in a strange land_ could give Larouche enough
material to fill an encyclopedia.

I wonder, what kind of music does Lyndon Larouche like to listen to? I
mean, music is an important part of my life. That's one thing I always 
wonder about people -- what kind of music they like. Hey, Larouche must
not be able to stomach Mozart, he being a Freemason and all, right?

But it's not surprising that Larouche would have some bad memories of
the sixties, having spent a good part of the decade recruiting zomboid
thugs to crash Communist Party meetings with tire chains. Gang-banging
the already pathetically marginalised remnant of the Old Left was a
truly vital part of his agenda. It was called "Operation Mop Up."
-- 
"In universities, it is forbidden     |  "Personally, my politics are so far
to teach nonsense. But the _history_  |  to the right, I consider Paul Revere
of nonsense -- that's scholarship!"   |  to be a pinko."
               -- Saul Lieberman      |                 -- Tom Grundner


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Spotlight Endorses LaRouche, Perot
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:25:25 GMT
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This item is excerpted from a longer post on alt.activism
from covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
Subject: News 09/19/92
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:20:49 1992



   `Spotlight' recommends
   LaRouche `protest vote'
   
The Sept. 14 issue of the populist
weekly newspaper {Spotlight} included a
spread on the presidential elections,
which recommended Lyndon LaRouche among
what it called ``protest candidates.''
After reviewing each candidate,
{Spotlight} wrote about independent
presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche:
``Then there is Lyndon LaRouche whose
beliefs are a mixture of nonsense and
good sense and whose followers have
managed to place him on 10 state ballots.
Campaigning from jail, where he sojourns
as a claimed political prisoner,
LaRouche's crimes, if any, are almost
infinitely fewer and of less magnitude
than those of the Republican candidate
and may thus be overlooked. Although his
economic `solutions' are far-fetched to
say the least, he and his organization
are strongly anti-drug and anti-crime; in
fact, they do not hesitate to brand the
Anti-Defamation League as a criminal
organization tied to the drug racket.
Thus, LaRouche has the same enemies as
this newspaper and its publisher. A
protest vote for him would send a healthy
signal to the Establishment of
non-confidence.'' 
   The {Spotlight} feature also
recommended, of the three ``major
candidates,'' i.e., those on the ballot
in most states, they would favor H. Ross
Perot because ``Perot's election would
completely upset the {status quo.} It
would be a mortal blow against the
present system,'' despite the fact that
the article strongly criticized Perot's
``reputed endorsement of the
parliamentary system.'' 



Well, if anybody out there believes in guilt by association, here's
more evidence against the "anti-semitic populist" LaRouche.

-Steve


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From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:02 PDT
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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Steve, it's the offhanded lies that will catch you every time. There are
photographs of the victims of LaRouche's "Operation Mop-Up." Several people
were hospitalized. The violence was systematic and happened in several
cities. I have interviewed both victims and former LaRouchians who were
ordered to go beat people up.
   You claim to be an intellectual yet you accept as fact material from
notorious and convicted liars. My evidence comes from interviewing
first-hand witnesses and participants for my articles on LaRouche.
Where do you get your evidence?
-Chip Berlet
(P.S. Steve: go for the big lies...it worked for Hitler)



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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:48 PDT
Subject: Re: Spotlight Endorses LaRouche, Perot
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I wonder if there is a direct correlation between anti-Semites and liars?
The Spotlight newspaper ran an article discussing third-party candidates,
but it did NOT endorse any. When it endorses candidates, it does so in
an editorial or boxed announcement. Sloppy...
-Chip



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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: NLNS: CHRISTIAN IDENTITY (UPDATED V
Date: 3 Oct 1992 08:57:17 GMT
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I join Joe Gaut in asking Chip Berlet to share with us a clear and
concise statement of what he believes fascism to be. I would extend
this to solicit his comments on LaRouche's long standing assertion
that a central characteristic of fascism is state enforced austerity
against the living standards of working people. To this end LaRouche 
has repeatedly cited the programs of Nazi finance minister Hjalamar
Schact (sp?) whose attempts to solve the Reich's financial crisis were
allegedly the economic motivation behind the Nazi slave labor camps.

This should not be such a difficult point for a researcher and student 
of fascism od Chip's stature to give us a thoughtful and informed
opinion about.
-Steve


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
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NLG Civil Liberties Committee  (Chip Berlet)
writes:


>  For those who wondered what I do...I am a paralegal investigator employed
>by Political Research Associates in Cambridge, MA. I have worked on several
>lawsuits against government intelligence abuse. My articles have appeared
>in the Boston Globe, Chicago Sun-Times, Des Moines Register, The Progressive,
>In These Times, Etc. I have been interviewed on all three TV network news
>programs, been quoted in the New York Times, and appeared live on the
>Today Show to discuss racist right hate groups. I am secretary of the
>National Lawyers Guild Civil Liberties Committee, and a founding co-editor
>of Police Misconduct & Civil Rights Law Report. None of this makes my
>views any more important that anyone else on the net, but it does show that
>other people have found that it the long run my research has proven
>reliable.

As in "politically reliable"? :) But seriously, it doesn't necessarily
show that at all. An alternative possibility is that these people have 
found that you are willing to tell them what they wanted to hear. I.e. what 
they were previously predisposed to believe, but presented in scholarly
form so as to appear more credible.

Chip, I can attack your abilities as a researcher because I actually did
what you only claimed to do. In the early 70's I became aware of the 
LaRouche organization. My tentative eveluation was that these people 
were not only crazy, but quite possibly dangerous. Accordingly, I decided
that it was important to discover precisely what the beliefs and world view
of this group consisted of. I addressed this question, and did a competent
job. From your consistent misstatements of LaRouche's positions it is
clear to me that you did not. 

I am not saying this because you oppose LaRouche and I support him. That
is a separate issue. There are plenty of things LaRouche actually believes
that most progressives would disagree with. (Nuclear power, the primacy
of the human species, etc.) These questions would be genuinely interesting
to debate. This cannot happen, however, as long as center stage is held by 
misstatements about LaRouche's positions by a "researcher" who does not
do competent research.


>-Chip Berlet

-Steve Crocker


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Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
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Steve: The LaRouche publications lie and mislead on a regular basis. You
repeat those lies and then refuse to take responsibility for seeing the 
pattern of lies that you repeat. You choose to repeat these lies, Steve,
so you are responsile for their appearing on the net.
   I have written dozens of articles exposing the lies and fraudulent
fundraising practices of the LaRouchians. I can document what I say.
The LaRouchians have sued me twice and harassed me and my family. I can
prove any fact and defend any opinion. I challenge you to give me an
example of a misleading statement regarding any factual situation
involving the LaRouchians. Keep in mind the difference from facts and
my conclusions and opinions. I will post documentation for  allegation
I have made.
   -Chip Berlet



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Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
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All right, off the top of my head. In citing alleged similarities
between LaRouche and the Liberty Lobby, you said they both drew
upon the thinking of Oswald Spengler. Please supply any evidence
you have that LaRouche owes any philosophical debt to Spengler.

And in case you missed it, I was not questioning your competence due
to differences in analysis or conclusions, but due to your misstatements of
fact, as in this example. This is neither reckless nor defamatory.
It is merely accurate.

-Steve


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Chip, when I posted my original response to you on the issue of
factual innacuracies in your characterization, I did not have 
the relevant quote at hand. I have now located it. It is from
the following message:

>From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
>Newsgroups: alt.activism
>Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
>Date: Sat Aug 22 11:17:00 1992

and states:


>Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas
>of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that
>today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
>converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
>of Biblical Jews.

The Liberty Lobby may well hold these views. What evidence do you
have that LaRouche holds them?

-Steve







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Well Chip, it looks like you have an apology coming, albeit a srtictly
limited and somewhat grudging one. After looking through my small but
growing collection of Berletia, with particular attention to the three
part article "Larouchians as Fascists", it appears that you do not
routinely make blatant errors of objective fact as I had implied. I 
was misled by the one whopper I legitimately DID catch you in, combined
with my overall disagreement with the thrust of your other work.

That said, hiowever, I want to devote some attention to the sense in 
which I nevertheless think it is fair to call your work inaccurate,
even though the inaccuracies do not in general manifest themselves as
factually incorrect statements. One aspect of this is something which
any advocate of a particular viewpoint must do to some extent, but 
which I think you carry to unwarranted extremes. That is the practice
of selecting facts (and quoting opinions) which support your hypothesis
while ignoring or minimizinng those which contradict it. Thus, for 
example, you play up LaRouche's criticism of Jewish individuals and
organizations while giving only grudging acknowledgement to his 
persistent opposition to Naziism. Additionally, you entirely fail
to compare his criticism of Jews to his very similar criticism of
Gentiles to determine whether he is being even handed. And of course
you entirely fail to consider the question of whether any of his
criticisms are objectively justified based on the known or probable
activities of those whom he has attacked.

This is not your worst failing, however. I reserve that characterization
for the centrally important question you leave unanswered - a question
which was the FIRST question I sought to answer when I first began to
critically examine LaRouche's movement. That deceptively simple question
is this: WHAT DOES LAROUCHE BELIEVE? Now I knew better than this when I 
was writing for a local alternative paper in 1970. I was assigned to do
an article on the local peace movement. I went around to the various 
anti-war groups and employed the innovative and unorthodox research
technique of asking them what their positions were. When I was done I
wrote paragraphs on The New Mobilization Committee, the Resistence, the
Lansing Area Peace Council, and the Student Mobilization Committee 
(including the YSA and WSA/SDS factions). There was general agreement
that I had accurately represented their diverse viewpoints, and even
those who were bitter factional oponents of one another felt that their
views received fair treatment. 

3 to 4 years later when I became aware of the NCLC, I attempted to
employ a similar approach. I attended conferences, read literature,
and talked to organizers. When I heard reference to a concept I
didn't understand, I asked somebody what it meant. It took a while, 
but eventually I was able to grasp the underlying philosophical 
principles which tied together what might seem at first glance to be 
a diverse and unrelated catalog of positions. (To state them in 
overly simplified form, they consist of creativity as a physical
characteristic of the natural universe, self-conscious creative
intelligence as the uniquely defining characteristic of the human 
species, and the Idea of Progress as the central issue separating
the pro and anti humanist factions throughout recorded history).

Now you on the other hand, do not appear to have sought the 
underlying basis of LaRouche's ideology. Had you done so, you
could have performed a useful service, even to your anti-LaRouche
co-thinkers, by identifying the intellectual perspective of your
enemy. You could have attempted to develop arguments against what
LaRouche actually believes, instead of being reduced to the expedient
of arguing that he is racist, fascist, Nazi, etc. and should thus be
avoided. Finally, you would have had the key to what ACTUALLY attracts
people to LaRouche, instead of a rather pathetic reliance on polls
and demographics.

In your "Larouchians as fascist" post we find an intriguing passage
which is perhaps the basis for this glaring omission. You write:

>   Is LaRouche a fascist? The goal of fascism is 
>always raw power, and it will adopt or abandon 
>any principle to obtain power. The chameleon-like 
>nature of fascist theories is one of its 
>hallmarks, and often leads to confusion as to 
>whether it is on the political left or right as 
>it opportunistically gobbles up popular slogans 
>from existing movements.

>   Journalist James Ridgeway notes there are real 
>contradictions in LaRouche's politics: "While it 
>maintains contacts with far-right groups, 
>LaRouche's organization is ideologically at 
>cross-purposes with many which are nativist and 
>anarchist. LaRouche is an internationalist and a 
>totalitarian: he believes the masses are 
>`bestial' and unfit for citizenship."

>   Freelance journalist Nick Gallo takes us a 
>step further. In  he 
>acknowledges that much of what LaRouche espouses 
>"appears kooky, if only because his ideas 
>certainly defy conventional political analysis. . 
>. .However go beyond the individual positions on 
>different issues and beneath the surface lurk 
>echoes of sinister themes that have been 
>prevalent in the 20th century: preservation of 
>Western Civilization, purity of culture and 
>youth, elimination of Jewish and homosexual 
>influence, suspicion of international 
>banking conspiracies."

>   The opportunistic exploitation of 
>anxiety-producing issues by LaRouchies is no 
>surprise to Clara Fraser who knew LaRouche when 
>he was in the Socialist Workers Party. Writing in the 
> newspaper, she explains, 
> "The pundits are intrigued and puzzled by his 
>amalgam of right and left politics, a tangled web 
>of KKK, Freudian, encounter therapy, Populist, 
>Ayn Rand-like, and Marxist notions. They needn't 
>be. His is the prototypical face of fascism, 
>which is classically a hodgepodge of 
>pseudo-theories crafted for mass appeal. . . ."


These paragraphs present a view of fascism which emphasizes its
irrationalism and unprincipled opportunism, and attributes those
same qualities to LaRouche. In one master stroke you have rationalized
your failure to report on LaRouche's ideology. LaRouche has no ideology!, 
you tell us. Only a cynical laundry list of unrelated positions crafted
for mass appeal with no underlying coherence. 

The fact is that the philosophical coherence in LaRouche's work exists,
but is perhaps especially difficult to see if your view of the political
scene relies heavily on the use of terms like "Left" and "Right" as
though THEY identified coherent bodies of opposing thought. As a
then-anarchist I had already learned to view these terms as the 
artificial and misleading constructs they actually are. Thus the failure
of LaRouche's ideology to fit on that presumed spectrum didn't give me
a problem. I just continued to evaluate how their individual positions
related to their own standard of the struggle for Progress, and I found
them extraordinarily principled and consistent. 

Various progressive thinkers have attacked the idea of Progress on
philosophical grounds (Jeremy Rifkin comes to mind) so it is not that
this issue is not recognized on the Left. One is led to suspect that
those who philosophically oppose technologically mediated progress 
would prefer to make their arguments against straw men of their own 
choosing, rather than enter the lists with a living opponent who has
their number and would not hesitate to expose the truly wretched
anti-human implications of their position. They seek to arrogate to
themselves the moral high ground by claiming the anti-technology
position to be the pro-human position. It is not surprising that they
would prefer not to hear from the one voice today who clearly and 
consistently challenges that assumption.

Chip, if you want to do a competent job of researching LaRouche,
figure out for yuorself what he believes and report it. If you 
want to do a competent job of criticizing him, explain why you
think he is wrong.

-Steve


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Steve,

Why would you claim LaRouche had never done such a thing when any
large library can refute the contention?

Please note that LaRouche personally ordered his followers to
brutally assault his political enemies in 1973, and then explained
in detail why he though it was necessary in a twenty-page (legal
size, single-spaced) discussion paper (available at several
library collections on LaRouche).

LAROUCHE'S OPERATION MOP-UP

by Chip Berlet

(adapted from a work-in-progress and previous articles)

>From approximately May to September of 1973, LaRouche followers
engaged in "Operation Mop-up" which consisted of NCLC members
assaulting rivals such as members of the Communist Party USA
(CPUSA) and the Socialist Workers Party (SWP).  NCLC thugs used
fists and weapons in their brutal campaign to control and
establish "hegemony" over the American revolutionary movement.
There were many injuries and some persons required
hospitalization.[f-1]

"Operation Mop-up" was front-page news in virtually every American
progressive newspaper during 1973 so it is difficult to believe
the nature of NCLC was not known to Newman and his CFC colleagues
when they first contacted NCLC a few months after Operation Mop-Up
was formally ended and declared a success by LaRouche.
Furthermore, physical assaults by NCLC members against critics
were reported regularly well into 1976, and periodic assaults by
LaRouche fundraisers still occur. In 1974, many former NCLC
members report, they were still required to take paramilitary
training classes led by fellow members.

The trigger for Operation Mop Up was a March, 1973 warning by NCLC
to the Communist Party, USA.  to stop opposing the creation by
LaRouche of an alternative to the respected Black-led National
Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) which LaRouche denounced as
being part of a "union-busting slave-labor" alliance.

LaRouche had attempted to take over and "reorganize" the NWRO.
Eyewitnesses recall primarily-white and young NCLC members
standing up and halting meetings of the primarily-Black and older
NWRO with non-negotiable demands for an immediate debate on
LaRouche's lunatic charges against NWRO leaders. When asked to
leave, the NCLC members refused, and fights broke out.  Members of
the audience were forced to physically drag the NCLC members out
of meetings to stop the disruptions.

Members of the Communist Party, U.S.A. (CP) vowed to prevent
further disruptions of NWRO, and when LaRouche announced the
creation of NU-WRO, members of the CP and NWRO picketed the
founding meeting in Philadelphia. This enraged LaRouche, and his
newspaper "New Solidarity" proclaimed the CP had been warned about
not recognizing the legitimacy of the NU-WRO, and promised "Now
the CP will be destroyed."[f-2]

According to LaRouche, NCLC sent delegations into public meetings,
"demanding that this criminal behavior of the CP leadership"--that
is, support for the original NWRO--"be openly discussed and voted
down by the body assembled." One eyewitness remember a typical
incident where NCLC members with sticks and bats and sports body
padding equipment attacked a meeting to force it to schedule the
debate. When members of the Socialist Workers Party joined in
defending victims of NCLC violence at public meetings, they too
were targeted for unprovoked attacks.

Operation Mop-Up was succinctly described by LNS as "the use and
glorification of brutal violence:"

   "Dozens of people were injured, many seriously enough to be
   hospitalized with broken bones, concussions and bruises.
   Generally the tactic was to attack one or two individuals with
   a superior number of NCLC people. In almost every case, clubs,
   pipes, brass knuckles and numchucks ["nunchukas"] (a karate
   weapon consisting of two pieces of wood connected by a length
   of chain) were used against unarmed people, in clearly
   pre-planned physical assaults."

In a paper discussing the early phase of Operation Mop-Up,
LaRouche (writing under the pen-name L. Marcus) wrote:


   "Our `operation Mop-Up' against the CPUSA has done more for our
   recruitment and for our attractiveness to old and new working
   class strata of contacts than all the other things combined we
   have presented to such strata in the past. By eliminating
   Communist Party hegemony from the left in the USA, we have
   abruptly destroyed a seemingly fixed aspect of a fifty-year old
   order of things. `You people are really serious!' even certain
   of our bitterest left critics concede. In general, worker
   contacts and left-opponents alike are awed as they so
   frequently acknowledge: `You really mean what you say!'"

   "This operation is simply something we were implicitly prepared
   to undertake and something which had to be done. The importance
   of `Operation Mop-Up' is chiefly negative: if we had refrained
   from carrying out our commitments on this, which would have
   meant resorting to academic, phrasemongering nonsense to
   `explain' why we would not `initiate violence,' the state of
   mind induced by those rationalizations would have perhaps
   destroyed the dynamic of our organization's internal
   development. Necessary as `Operation Mop-Up' ,
   it should be properly viewed as a secondary, soon tertiary
   aspect of out overall tactical perspectives and
   commitments."[f-3]

While the Operation Mop-Up attacks were officially ended in late
1973, another campaign of physical assaults was launched in 1974
against local rank-and-file leaders of the United Autoworkers and
other industrial unions. Reports of these assaults continued
through 1976, and NCLC members continued into the 1980's to assist
in assaults on members of Teamsters for a Democratic Union and
another rank-and-file Teamster reform group, PROD. [f-4]

When NCLC threatened to attack radical bookstores that refused to
carry their materials on the NU-WRO debate, broad-based volunteer
groups formed in several cities to defend the stores from being
ransacked by NCLC cadre.[f-5] As resistance to the wave of
LaRouche-ordered violence grew, NCLC became completely isolated.
And, according to LNS, it soon became clear that "anyplace that
NCLC met with serious resistance they invariably fled, preferring
the techniques of ambush and mugging." As Operation Mop-Up began
to collapse, LaRouche announced its total success.

The similarity between LaRouche's Operation Mop-Up and the growth
of the Nazi movement in 1930's Germany did not go unnoticed.
Several leftist newspapers denounced the episode as fascist. A
paper on NCLC circulated in Madison, Wisconsin observed that while
a direct analogy might not be appropriate, there were clear and
troubling similarities:

   "When the Nazi Party first came on the scene in 1920, they were
   avowedly anti-capitalist.  their first mass meeting called for
   opportunity of employment, nationalization of trusts,
   communalization of department stores, extension of old-age
   pensions, prohibition of child labor and the prosecution of
   usurers and profiteers. Even the Nazi flag was chosen to be
   red, the traditional color of revolutionary socialism."


   "NCLC, as it seems to exist today, has the makings of a truly
   indigenous fascist movement." [f-6]

Their fears were soon realized.

=======================================================

1.  Hentoff, Nat. "Of Thugs and Liars," Village Voice,
       January 24, 1974, p. 8. Montgomery, Paul L. "How a
       Radical-Left Group Moved Toward Savagery," New York Times,
       January 20, 1974, pp. 1, 51. "An Introduction to NCLC:
       `The Word is "Beware"'", Liberation News Service, March 23,
       1974, pp. 9-14. LNS cites to various articles in the
       alternative press, including articles in The Daily World,
       The Militant, Workers Power, The Fifth Estate, The Boston
       Phoenix, and The Drummer. The author has also interviewed
       several former NCLC members who took part in Operation
       Mop-Up and who prefer not to have their names mentioned.
       See also "Brownshirts of the Seventies," Washington D.C.,
       TIP, 1973.
2.  "New Solidarity," April 16-20, 1973 as cited in LNS.
3.  Marcus, L, "The Challenge of Left-Hegemony," NCLC "Internal
       Discussion" paper, May 10, 1973.
4.  Op.Cit. King, "Lyndon LaRouche and the New American
       Fascism." "Brownshirts of the Seventies" and various
       newspaper accounts of incidents.
5.  The author was part of one of these defense groups in 1973.
6.  As quoted in LNS.





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According to aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker):
>I would observe that the principal "action" engaged in by LaRouche
>et. al. is to publicize their beliefs, whether by running for office,
>selling New Federalist, or spending hundresd of thousands of ### [$$$?]

... in money obtained fraudulently from callers' credit cards ...

>putting Lyn on TV.

There is also the issue of association.  Who did (and does) LaRouche
work with?  Who support him?  These facts also have a bearing.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  , <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini


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Well Chip, I may have saved you the trouble of documenting LaRouche's
supposed adherence to the views of Oswald Spengler. Unfortunately
the source I found for this is not one I consider credible (Your
mileage is almost sure to vary). In Dennis King's book "Lyndon
LaRouche and the New American Fascism" I find passages where King
says in essence "Well, uh, LaRouche says thus and so, and it sure 
sounds a lot like something Spengler said".  Now lest you think I'm
being unfair, I'll quote a typical statement of this sort for all to 
see:

"LaRouche also rails against the "Persian Empire" and "Persian
agents" who supposedly destroyed the ancient world. Again, this 
is not new: Both Spengler and Chamberlin claimed that the Jews
and the Persians were linked in a common conspircay; Spengler 
said the Jews actually dominated much of the Persian Empire, 
while Chamberlin described them as Persian puppets."

This flies in the face of the fact that nowhere does LaRouche
descend to the idiocy of a "Jewish Conspiracy" although he does
indeed discuss conspiracies in which prominent Jews have been 
involved. In fact, King labors arduously to distort the plain
and forthright statements LaRouche has made repeatedly as to 
how he thinks conspiratorial elites are organized and who 
populates them. To do this, he concocts an bizarre system
of "code words" which he attributes to LaRouche. "Babylon" 
refers to the Jews, he tells us (conveniently ignoring the fact
known to anybody with even a nodding acquaintance with the Old
Testament that Babylon is repeatedly used as a symbol of oppression
of the Jewish people, based on the historical events of the 
Babylonian captivity). "British" is a code word for Jewish, he
says, ignoring LaRouche's clear statement that the Jewish families
allied with the British oligarchy are subordinate to that oligarchy, 
after the fashion of the medieval "Court Jews".

Unlike yourself, King at least makes an attempt to analyze some
aspects of LaRouche's ideology. Unfortunately, he succeeds only 
in standing it on its head, using out of context quotes, tortuous
twists of logic, and massive omissions to make it appear that 
LaRouche says almost diametrically the opposite of what he in
fact believes. 

-Steve
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In my recent dialogue with Chip Berlet I have criticized him rather
harshly for what I have called his failure to investigate, comprehend,
and report on the underlying philosophical roots of LaRouche's world
view. Upon reflection, I have decided that rather than merely being
negtive and criticizing Chip's sins of omission, I should take at least
a small positive step toward correcting the situation. Thus, I have
decided to post some of my own views on LaRouche's underlying outlook
as it is expressed by his policies on science, technology, and the 
environment. This will hopefully open up an area of legitimate and 
necessary debate between LaRouche supporters and progressive 
anti-fascists over some of the genuine issues which divide us, rather
than debate the "straw men" of racism, fascism, and anit-semitism 
which have been raised in the context of gross misrepresentation of
LaRouche's views. I must apologize for the technical nature of some
of the discussion. It was originally written as an attempt by a lay
person to explain LaRouche's physics to a working physicist. Thus I
assumed familiarity with some concepts that people here might not be
acquainted with. Please post questions about things I haven't made
clear and I'll try to clarify. 

The following material was originally a letter to a physicist who
I met while vacationing in Colorado, and with whom I corresponded 
sporadically for about a year afterwards. I had sent her a copy of 
an article in a LaRouche-related journal in which the writer spoke
approvingly of singularities as a necessary feature of a competent
physical theory. My correspondent wrote back questioning this strongly,
and stating (to the best of my recollection) that the great physicists,
such as Einstein et. al., had worked for the ELIMINATION of singluarities
from their theories. Well, by that time, as a layman, I was pretty well
in over my head. I decided to send her some material from LaRouche and
his associates, together with my own attempt at explaining what thought 
they were getting at. Her response was a bit over my head, mathematically, 
so I got discouraged and ceased corresponding. 

 Unfortunately, the letter makes reference to a substantial body of 
material which I had enclosed in photocopied form. If there is sufficient 
interest, I can probably resurrect it and mail a packet to anybody 
seriously interested in persuing this issue.

The letter has been edited to eliminate purely personal references.

*********************************************************************
                                                             4/16/86
                                                               to 
                                                             5/18/86


    Dear ----- ----,

         Well, after much procrastination I am finally able to begin a 
letter dealing with my own impression of singularities as they play a part 
in the mathematical and philosophical work of LaRouche and his co-thinkers. 
The earliest record I find of this matter is a 1976 issue of LaRouche's 
theoretical magazine, the CAMPAIGNER. This issue (which I am enclosing in 
photocopy) is devoted to an English translation of Georg Cantor's 1833 
Grundlagen, along with a lengthy introduction entitled "The Concept of the 
Transfinite" by Uwe Parpart. Parpart is German and is somewhere in his 40's 
today. He was one of LaRouche's early collaborators and remains today a 
core member of the organization. It would probably not be inaccurate to 
characterze him as LaRouche's principal advisor on questions of physical 
theory, although a number of physicists have collaborated with LaRouche to 
various degrees in the intervening years. (Upon closer reading of the 
introduction to this article I find that Parpart is not a physicist as I 
had thought. Rather he is described as "a philosophy professor who had come 
up through advanced mathematical training") The viewpoint being expressed 
in this document is difficult for me as a lay person to fully appreciate, 
let alone summarize in a few words. It principally concerns a combination 
of Reimann's "manifold" concept with Cantor's "transfinite". The flavor of 
this effort can be given by a quote (p. 53) "...the continuum of the real 
world manifold cannot be assigned any one cardinality (of the transfinite - 
S.C.) because this continuum is constantly in a process of further 
evolution. There exists a continual process of generation, Erzeugungs 
Prozess, which produces a nested sequence of manifolds each internally 
characterized by a specific relative infinity or transfinite number and in 
such a fashion that we can conceive of every new manifold characterized by 
a new order of the transfinite. Each successor manifold is seen to function 
as a `counting manifold' which bears the same relationship to the 
preceeding manifold as w (Omega - S.C.) bears to the preceeding natural 
numbers. Such a counting manifold embodies the principle of internal 
differentiation and organization of that preceeding manifold." 
 
   Later on (p. 63) Parpart relates this hypothesis explicitly to the 
question of singularities. In a section critizing Einsteins's approach to 
the unified field question he states "...all along it is overlooked that it 
is actually the implicit linearity of the differential form (I) which is 
principally responsible for inducing singularities in the first place and 
will continue to do so if it is carried over into a unified field context, 
much as it did in the physically more impoverished environment of the 
gravitational field. " 

    Later still (p. 64) he summarizes a portion of his discussion as 
follows. "There is no such continuity of process GOVERNED BY UNCHANGING 
LAWS; no such process could have produced human existence... The structure 
of the physical universe extended in time is necessarily that of a 
non-linear Cantorean continuum, characterized by variability of invariants, 
discontinuity of the process of nature FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ANY GIVEN SET 
OF LAWS. For now this must remain in the form of negative assertion. The 
immediate challenge in the natural sciences consists in converting it into 
positive contents through jointly conceptualizing the necessary 
singularities of continuum-field theories and the discontinuities imprinted 
on microscopic processes by the quantum of action." (Emphases mine - S.C.)
 


    Well, this is quite a bold set of assertions. If Parpart and LaRouche 
are right then the universe appears to be quite a different place from what 
most of us had thought. What can we make of such statements? I have tried 
over the past several years to understand exactly what is meant by "a 
nested sequence of manifolds each internally characterized by a specific 
relative infinity... a new order of the transfinite." "Manifold" I was able 
to decipher at least approximately by recourse to semi-popular mathematics 
books. It appears to refer to a space characterized by a  metric which need 
not be constant (or, if I understand rightly, even continuous in the form 
of its variation) from point to point. The transfinite I understand about 
as well as one might from reading popular discussions of denumerable 
infinity (aleph-null) and the first non-denumerable infinity (aleph-one) 
and a description of Cantor's demonstration that while the rational numbers 
are denumerable, the reals are not. I admit to not being clear on the 
difference between transfinite ordinals and cardinals and their 
interrelationships. My primary puzzlement is how to understand the term 
"characterized" in the above quotes from Parpart. What exactly could it 
mean to refer to a manifold as "characterized" by a particular transfinite? 
It is suggestive to note that in distinguishing between denumerable 
infinity and the infinity of reals one senses onself dealing with something 
almost like a "texture" of space. I want to make clear that I am not using 
the notion of "texture" as a metaphor referring simply to the way in which 
a metric, conventionally understood, might vary from point to point. I mean 
to imply something more fundamental, i.e. the difficulities that appear in 
trying to define an ordering which would permit a counting of the reals, in 
contrast to how such an ordering appears intuitively in the natural numbers 
and can be defined with a bit of ingenuity in the case of the rationals. I 
am vaguely aware that there are higher infinities than aleph-one, e.g. one 
sometimes hears aleph-two described as "the number of possible curves in a 
space." Presumably this would imply a "texture" (or perhaps a 
"connectivity" would be a more apt characterization) of yet a more subtle 
sort than aleph-one. It is not clear to me whether some considerations of 
this sort are being referred to when Parpart "characterizes" a manifold by 
a transfinite. Perhaps with your background as a physicist educated in the 
German tradition, the pattern of his thought will appear more clearly to 
you.



    (4/28/86) Perhaps this is the point to try and sum up my own best 
intuitive understanding of all this. Parpart and LaRouche appear to be 
saying that the structure of the physical continuum is itself in a state of 
continuous evolution. This process proceeds by the creation of 
"singularities" - which from the point of view of the earlier, more 
primitive continuum, characterized by relatively more primitive physical 
laws, appear as "infinities" or "discontinuities", about which such laws 
cannot meaningfully speak. From the point of view of the "higher" 
continuum, however, such points have the character of elementary phenomena 
which provide the subject matter for the new physical laws characterizing 
the evolved continuum.



    I should also mention the role all this plays in LaRouche's system of 
political economy, a line of discussion which proceeds in several 
directions. I will start with his long standing opposition to radical 
environmentalist thought. I am presently reading the book Entropy - A New 
World View, by Jeremy Rifkin. This book is remarkable, in that it presents 
in extrordinarily coherent and explicit form a line of argument which 
remains implicit in the work of most other environmentalists. Rifkin's 
argument, stripped to its essentials, is that since available energy must 
decrease with each energy transformation, there exists a moral imperative 
to order economics and culture in a way as to minimize the rate of energy 
flow. Problems such as pollution, resource depletion and energy shortages 
are seen as being the direct expression of entropy increase caused by the 
high rate of energy throughput in modern industrial society. Rifkin sharply 
criticizes the historical pattern of radically increasing energy throughput 
at each new stage of economic development.



  As you can probably guess, LaRouche directly opposes the view of 
Rifkin and his legions of co-thinkers. What I find especially interesting,
is that he carries the attack to their "home turf" by explicitly denying 
the universal primacy of the second law of thermodynamics. He does not, 
of course, deny that this law is useful for such matters as calculating 
the efficiency of heat engines or even describing the breakdown of  
an economy - IF THAT ECONOMY HAS BECOME TRAPPED IN A FIXED MODE OF 
PRODUCTION. He asserts, however, that the universe as a whole is more 
fundamentally characterized by NEGENTROPIC processes, such as the 
formation of stars and galaxies, the evolution of life, and the 
development of self-conscious intelligence. He has said that the best 
refutation of the environmentalist position is the existence of the 
environmentalist. This negentropic principle of the self-organizing 
universe is seen as precisely identical to Parpart's description of 
the continuumn of successive manifolds characterized by ever higher 
transfinites.

  In a related issue, LaRouche opposes the philosophical stance of those 
environmentalists and others who see no essential distinction of value 
between human beings and the lower forms of life. Since the human mind, 
with its power to reflect upon and willfully reorder its own functioning, 
is the highest known expression of the evolving continuum, it is of unique 
value. The INDIVIDUAL human mind is precisely the "singularity which 
determines the field", by mediating, through individually created 
innovations in social practice, the overall advance of the economy and 
society to higher levels of organization and energy throughput. LaRouche 
speaks in terms suggesting that this is how he understands divinity. I 
think it would be accurate to say that, in his view, the ability of the 
human species to willfully increase its population potential through social 
and technological advances is not only the defining characteristic of the 
species (which he states explicitly) but also constitutes (as I would term 
it) the "external evidence" of the human soul. Thus both the nature cultist 
who advocates subordinating the needs of the human species to an imagined 
"balance" of the natural order, and the Malthusian ideologue (e.g. Colorado 
governor Richard Lamm) who would subordinate the increase and preservation 
of human lives to cost-benefit analysis, stand exposed as anti-human. 
Such people perpetuate, in practice, if not in intent, the German Nazi 
concept of "useless eaters" - whose lives, being "not fit to be lived" 
are to be sacrificed, in Governor Lamm's words "like the leaves which 
fall from the trees", which in their decay form the soil for new growth.

<"animal rights" advocates - this means you>

    In addition to its relevance to the philosophical issues underlying 
political economy, the Reimann-Cantor continuum also has a direct bearing 
on the problem of economic analysis as such. LaRouche is by profession an 
economist, and it appears that his insight into the physical issues 
discussed here was primarily motivated by his attempt to grapple with and 
extend the notion, inadequately realized by Karl Marx, of "expanded social 
reproduction". Marx sought an economic law, expressible algebraically, 
which could describe the increased output of goods as an economy 
progressed over time. LaRouche's insight was that such a problem must be 
fundamentally insoluble IN THOSE TERMS. As an economy employs increasingly 
advanced modes of production, the relationships within that economy change 
fundamentally. The new technologies bring about QUALITATIVE changes in 
economic activity which cannot be understood as any sort of "linear" 
extrapolation from the economic laws governing the earlier mode. It was 
the combination of the insights of Reimann and Cantor that permitted 
LaRouche to rigorously conceptualize the nature and significance of the 
discontinuities which occur if an analysis is attempted from "within" 
the set of laws governing a particular epoch, at the point of transition 
to the succeeding epoch. LaRouche uses concepts such as "phase change" 
and "shock wave" as rigorous metaphor to describe such jump points in 
the economic process. It is for this reason, in recognition of his 
intellectual debt to Reimann, that LaRouche has named his econometric 
model embodying these insights the "LaRouche-Reimann model."

    This concept of the "evolving continuum" also explains LaRouche's 
commitment to ENERGY-DENSE technologies as we discussed when I was in 
Colorado. The more popular materials published by LaRouche's organization 
motivate energy-dense technologies by looking at the empirical correlation 
between energy-density and human progress over the years. Some of their 
semi-technical materials point out that the economics of energy collection 
follow closely upon the density of energy flux through a unit area - 
resulting in extrordinarily high costs for ground based solar schemes 
when compared with either conventional or nuclear. Although both of these 
lines of argument have validity, I believe the real point at issue is 
more fundamental. My impression is that LaRouche believes that regimes 
of higher energy density provide QUALITATIVELY better opportunities for 
technological development precisely because it is at these higher energies 
that new types of singularities begin to appear which mediate the 
transformation to a "new manifold", or more developed form of the physical 
continuum. I suspect that this is what he is getting at when he makes the 
statement that human activity actually "changes the laws of the universe". 
Typical of this viewpoint is his emphasis on fusion power development with 
EXPLICIT reference to self-organizing phenomena (i.e. new singularities) 
in energy dense plasmas (vortex filaments, etc.) as the crucial area of 
investigation. Thus we find his social policy for energy resource 
development (i.e. fusion, fission, MHD) is informed by the same 
philosophical standpoint as his science policy. Both converge on the 
concept of energy dense regimes as the preferred area of development. 
This is not to say, of course, that he would oppose low-energy 
technologies such as micro-electronics or the types of resonance effects 
that you alluded to in our conversation. My guess is that he would regard 
them as useful elaborations of the possiblities inherent in the more 
primitive stages of the continuum, but not on the "cutting edge" of 
development.
  


  (5/11/86) Well, I guess it's about time to be wrapping this letter up, 
if I ever expect to send it. In addition to the article on Reimann and 
Cantor which I discussed above, I am also going to photocopy a few other 
articles for you.
         -Reimann Declassified - His Method and Program for the Natural 
Sciences (Uwe Parpart, FUSION Mar/Apr '79)
         -An FEF Proposal Based on Reimann's Method - Breaking the Impasse 
in Inertial Confinement Fusion (Steve Bardwell & Uwe Parpart, FUSION 
Oct/Nov '81)
         -Reimann and the Science of Life (Jonathan Tennenbaum)
         -Reimann and the Gottingen School of Physiology (Robert Gallagher)
         -The Mechanism of the Ear (Bernhard Reimann)
         (The above 3 articles are all from FUSION Sept/Oct '84)
         -On the Propogation of Plane Air Waves of Finite Amplitude (B. 
Reimann, IJFE  V. 2 No. 3 1980)

         I know that the quantity of this material must be somewhat 
formidable, especially for a person of your busy schedule. "The Concept of 
the Transfinite" is probably the most informative as to the overall 
philosophical argument being advanced. It is the lengthiest of the lot, 
although some of the material is introductory in character and you could 
probably skim it. Of the other articles, the "Reimann Declasified" is 
probably the one which gives the most succinct and direct exposition of 
the significance which LaRouche, et al. attribute to Reimann's work. The 
other articles will probably be of interest if you are able to get to them.

    I should not leave this letter without mentioning one more "clue" to 
the significance of singularities in defining the structure of a manifold. 
Felix Klein in his small volume On Reimann's Theory of Algebraic Functions 
and their Integrals pursues a line of thought, which, if I have understood 
him correctly, may have some bearing on this question.

(5/18/86) I find however, as I review this volume that there is a great 
deal more to it than I had previously realized. I think that rather than 
attempt a summary which could not possibly do justice to the scope of the 
material presented, I will include a photocopy in the packet I send you 
and confine myself here to a few points of particular interest. The 
feature of this work which struck me as particularly important in 
considering the characterization of a manifold by infinities is this: 
Klein first considers the patterns of flow produced when functions of the 
form w=f(z) (w=u+iv,z=x+iy) are depicted by superimposing the lines 
u=const (the equipotential curves) and v=const (the flow-lines) on the 
x-y plane. He goes on to show how infinities in these functions manifest 
themselves either as point sources of flow or vortex points around which a 
flow circles. He then, following Riemann, shows that the equivalent flow 
patterns can be produced by considering functions FREE OF THESE INFINITIES 
on surfaces of HIGHER TOPOLOGIES (see especially p. 35). Thus we see that 
the CONNECTIVITY of a surface in the topological sense is characterized by 
the number of algebraic and/or logarithmic infinities which characterize 
an equivalent flow pattern on the surface of a sphere. (He proceeds to 
further conclusions (eg. p. 42 & p. 61) referring to the continua formed 
by families of functions of particular characteristics and relating 
certain of these characteristics to the dimensionality of such continua. 
As I have only tonight encountered this last mentioned material and do 
not grasp its meaning, I will not attempt to summarize it.)

    The other striking feature of Klein's book is a more general 
consideration having to do with the methods one uses in mathematical 
research. On page two he gives a hint of his thinking in terms which would 
probably shock most "pure" mathematicians today. After introducing the 
concept of flow patterns on the x-y plane he continues "For the purposes 
of this interpretation it is of course indifferent of what nature we may 
imagine the fluid to be, but for many reasons it will be convenient to 
identify it here with the electric fluid; u is then proportional to the 
electrostatic potential which gives rise to the streaming, and the 
apparatus of experimental physics provide sufficient means for the 
production of many interesting systems of streamings."  On pages 12-15 
(article 4) he goes even further, devoting over two pages to a discussion 
of means by which such an electrical construction of the flow patterns 
could be physically realized. It is shocking to realize that Klein is here 
proposing in the most explicit terms the design and construction of what 
we would call today an ANALOG COMPUTER, but one of a most unique sort. 
Whereas existing analog computers use a finite set of "one-dimensional" 
circuit elements to derive NUMERICAL solutions to systems of diferential 
equations, Klein's proposal is for a TWO DIMENSIONAL ELECTRICAL SURFACE 
on which flow patterns could be constructed to give GEOMETRIC SOLUTIONS 
to various questions of FUNCTION THEORY. He states this explicitly on page 
22. "Now it seems possible, AB INITIO, to reverse the whole order of this 
discussion; TO STUDY THE STREAMINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THENCE TO WORK 
OUT THE THEORY OF CERTAIN ANALYTICAL FUNCTIONS. The question as to 
the most general admisssible streamings can be answered by physical 
considerations; the experimental constructions of (4) and the principle of 
superposition giving us, in fact, means of defining each and every such 
streaming." (Emphases within quotes are in the original). I have no doubt  
that the technology to realize such a device exists today, should anyone 
be found to provide the necessary financing.
    
I am struck, reading Klein's proposal, by the neglect of physical 
construction methods in modern mathematics generally. It is rare even to 
find appeals to geometric intuition in discussions of advanced topics. I 
noticed this some time ago when I picked up a translation of some of 
Gauss's work. He began discussing his topic by describing projections of 
various curves from a flat plane onto the surface of a sphere. As I read, 
I suddenly realized that Gauss was not, as I had initially assumed 
inviting his reader to IMAGINE such projections. Rather, the detailed 
instructions given were clearly intended to enable the reader to PERFORM 
THE INDICATED PROJECTIONS UPON AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL SPHERE. Then I 
remembered, of course, Gauss worked professionally as a surveyor. He would 
surely have had access to the equipment for making such constructions and 
must have done so as part of his theoretical study, as well as in his 
routine work. Upon reflection, it becomes painfully obvious how much we 
have lost as a culture by the abandonment of geometric implements as 
primary tools for teaching the relevant topics of advanced mathematics. 
I do not doubt that a number of topics presently considered suitable only 
for advanced graduate students might become accessible to bright high 
school students, at least on a conceptual level, were the appropriate 
visual aids and construction tools developed and employed. To cite a 
trivial example, I myself never had an adequate intuition as to what 
differential equations were all about until I realized that a simple 
example of one was physically realized by the float valve mechanism of 
the common toilet tank. Using such physical examples one might well 
imagine introducing the CONCEPT of a differential equation to rather young 
children. Using the geometric methods alluded to by Gauss and Klein 
it would no doubt be possible to teach on an elementary level various 
topics which would now be considered so advanced that I am not even sure 
of their correct names.

    Geometric methods appear to be central in much of LaRouche's later 
work (which I have not been able to include in the present packet). In 
several locations he discusses mathematical economics by projecting a 
logarithmic spiral onto a cone and then cutting the cone between points
of the spiral determined by the arithmetic and geometric means between 
successive turns. Although It is not entirely clear to me what he intends 
by such construction, I got the definite sense that implicit in his 
approach to mathematics is a reformulation such that GEOMETRIC METHODS 
such as construction and measurement would become the primary "elementary 
operations" of mathematical analysis, replacing the present role of 
arithmetic and algebra.

[closing paragraph deleted]

************************************************************************

Well, there it is. I must apologize to the non-mathematicians in the
audience for invoking topics which may lie outside the range of their
familiarity, as well as to professional mathematicians or mathematical
physicists for the admitted ignorance with which I have approached these
topics. From a political standpoint, I hope I have accomplished several 
things here. First, to expose and discuss aspects of LaRouche's thought
which have been little discussed in the political community, since they
are not "political" in the narrow sense, although they have profound
political implications. Second, to give an example of the sense in which
LaRouche's positions are profoundly principled. As a Marxist, he was 
anti-environmentalist and anti-Malthusian. As a conservative he remains
the same. The ideological form changes, but the content remains the same,
and this content is not ad hoc opportunism as some would have it, but is
derived from fundamental insights about the nature of the universe and 
humanity's place within it, which I hope I have at least conveyed the 
flavor of above. Last, it is my intention to challenge those who like
LaRouche and myself oppose George Bush and his New World Empire 
Order, but who may be committed to viewpoints which are pro-Malthusian,
anti-technological (including anti-nuclear and "soft energy" positions),
or which would deny the unique and special role of the human species and
human consciouness in the universe. I'm ready to debate questions like
this, which I think would be illuminating for all concerned, and a 
definite step up from dead-end debates on who or what is a fascist.

-Steve
aq817@Cleveland.Freenet.edu


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Steve, please recall that LaRouche  his libel suit against NBC
(and me!) for calling him a "small-time Hitler." You never explained
what the quotes I posted previously, especially about Jews, represented
if not neo-Nazi rhetoric. I also posted a lengthy 3-part report explaining
why LaRouche is, in fact, a Nazi. You say he is not a Nazi, but then refuse
to answer the charge when made in detail. 
   By the way, Hitler's early party platforms had little resemblance to
what he did when in state power, with the exception of his
consistent scapegoating of Jews.
  -Chip Berlet



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In article <16409@umd5.umd.edu> spinoza@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:

>Well, it's officially the 28th, and nothing has happened as yet, so I'll  
>ask this question: in the world according to LaRouche, is QE II still a  
>communist agent, and is Henry Kissinger still the antiChrist? 
>Enquiring Minds wanna know. 
>thanks
>jeff skorecki-weiss

     Can't speak for Lizzie's political leanings (actually, LaRouche
claimed at one point that she ran an international drug ring).
However, Lyndon is still not real happy with either Kissinger or Bush.
Check out alt.activism, where a covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
has been keeping us up to date on the "words of wisdom" of the only
man running for president from a federal prison cell (tax evasion).

     Why don't your .sig and id match?
								Peter

PS: Actually, the Rapture did happen, but the only ones qualified were
a family of 6 in a backwoods cabin in Montana. Sorry, you lost. :-)



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In article <1992Oct28.052952.1047@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <1992Oct25.043423.16267@uvm.edu> coan@griffin (Brian M Coan) writes:
>>Look, that bastard is a fucking Nazi. Luckily, the shit-head is
>>in jail for fraud.
>>
>>Please, don't post anymore of his FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I'm by no means a La Rouche supporter, I also think he's crazy, but what
>really confuses me is his place on the political spectrum: I've seen him
>associated with Communism, Nazis, and everything else in between!!
>One posting has him heading the Socialist (or Communist ?) Party in America,
>and other postings have him down as a white supremeacist.

Note that the party of Adolf Hitler was a fascist party that had the
word "socialist" in its name. 

The analogy get stronger and stronger.
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)


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A short synopsis of this complex figure is difficult, but I'll give
it a shot. LaRouche believes that the thing which sets man apart from
the beasts is the power to create, as expressed by the creation of beauty
through great art and the continuing creation of the world through
the technologies which allow us to be economically productive and 
support an ever increasing population. He believes that the role of 
government should be to order society in such a way that each 
individual may realize his or her full creative potential - to become
in the words of Plato, a "golden soul". Economically, he is a 
Hamiltonian, believing in the use of centralized credit by sovereign 
nations to promote the development of infrastructural "great projects",
the development of manufacturing, nuclear-industrial complexes, etc.
He is a strong supporter of civil rights, in the pre-seventies sense,
but vigorously opposes the "counter culture". He is a strong supporter
of science and technology, and has called for the early colinization of 
Mars. His views on the philosophy of science follow the "continental"
school of Leibniz, Reimann, etc. and opposes Neton and the British
empiricists. He opposes euthanasia, the "right to die", abortion,
capital punishiment, Malthusianism, and the radical wing of 
environmentalism (i.e. anti-industrialism). 

How's that for starters,
-Steve


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Clinton must take on the `Casino Mondiale' by Kathleen Klenetsky

If President-elect Bill Clinton doesn't move immediately to 
crack down on the worldwide ``casino'' created by the last 10 
years' orgy of international financial speculation and deregulation, 
he won't have a snowball's chance in hell of delivering on his 
promises to revive the U.S. economy and to provide millions 
of new high-wage, high-technology jobs. Instead, he will be 
faced with the worst financial and economic collapse in modern 
times, one that will make Herbert Hoover's political fate following 
the 1929-31 collapse seem a bed of roses.
That friendly warning was issued on Nov. 10 by international 
economist and former presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche, 
who called upon Clinton to prick the speculative bubble that 
dominates the world economy, before it forces a wholesale restructuring 
of the U.S.  economy on the model of the savage austerity implemented 
in 1930s Germany.

-  Prick the bubble -
``Contrary to the popular mythology which grips public opinion 
among the so-called reader of newspapers and viewer of television 
news and talk shows,'' said LaRouche, ``The problem is not ... 
the deficit nor even the size of the federal official debt.
``The problem of the U.S. economy is a policy of deregulation 
unleashed during 1978-79 ... by the Carter administration and 
by Paul Volcker's leadership of the Federal Reserve System, 
which created ... the biggest international financial bubble 
in world history. That bubble is what is crushing the U.S. economy 
and the U.S.  people,'' said LaRouche, ``not the debt, and not 
the federal deficit.''
Under these policies, the international economy has been turned 
into a ``Casino Mondiale,'' a world casino, in which a trillion 
dollars is gambled daily in the world financial markets.
The devastating damage which this has caused to the real economy 
was detailed by {EIR} in a feature published in the Oct. 23 
issue. The study showed how the U.S.  economy has been deliberately 
and systematically looted, especially since the early 1980s, 
through such features of this global crapshoot as the so-called 
derivatives markets, through which flow billions of dollars 
in drug money, as well as trillions in other speculative transactions, 
completely unregulated.
In his statement, LaRouche also urged Clinton not to take the 
advice of such people as Ross Perot, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.), 
and former Democratic presidential candidate Paul Tsongas, who 
insist that draconian cuts in social spending, especially in 
Social Security and Medicare, must be enforced to ``save'' the 
economy.
As LaRouche put it: ``Unless the Clinton administration changes 
its policy and recognizes that Ross Perot did not understand 
economics, did not recognize that the Fed is the one thing they 
must attack--its policies, and free trade, and GATT [the General 
Agreement on Tariffs and Trade] and this other nonsense--and 
instead follow my particular program, this country is going 
to spiral deeper and deeper into the worst depression of the 
20th century, or perhaps into something as bad as hit Central 
Europe in the 14th century.''

-  Pressure on Clinton -
The issue which LaRouche raised is the crucial one for Clinton 
to address. Wall Street and its minions have already started 
bombarding Clinton with the message that if he goes beyond the 
extremely limited ``growth program'' he has outlined--a piddling 
$20 billion per year infrastructure program combined with another 
$25 billion allocated among an investment tax credit and some 
new worker retraining and educational projects--he'll be cut 
off at the knees.
So far, the bluntest {public} message from this gang was delivered 
by the {Wall Street Journal} on Nov. 6, in a lead article headlined 
``The Vigilantes: World's Bond Buyers Gain Huge Influence Over 
U.S. Fiscal Plans.''
``Big bond investors around the world may now hold unprecedented 
power--perhaps even a veto--over U.S.  economic policy,'' the 
article began. ``Bill Clinton got a taste of that power in the 
past four weeks. Bondholders, increasingly anticipating the 
Arkansas Democrat's victory in the presidential race, pushed 
down prices of U.S.  Treasury bonds and thus pushed up long-term 
interest rates to about 7.7% from 7.3%. It was the bond market's 
way of warning Mr. Clinton that as the new President he will 
long be on probation, with his every move instantaneously scrutinized.''
(Although not mentioned in the {Journal} article, the rise in 
the bond prices coincided with rumors that Clinton was considering 
a proposal for doubling the size of his proposed public works 
program.)
The article asserted that Clinton will be allowed to implement 
some form of stimulus package. But if it means increasing the 
deficit significantly, or causes a rise in the inflation rate, 
``the reaction could be stiff and painful. With computerized 
trading linking global trading in U.S. government bonds, which 
now averages $150 billion a day, a worried investor can unload 
millions of dollars of bonds in seconds--and virtually 24 hours 
a day. If thousands of investors worldwide dump U.S. Treasury 
bonds, they could drive up long-term rates, which move inversely 
to bond prices, hobble America's economic growth and even plunge 
the nation back into recession.''
The {Journal} quoted Robert Hormats, vice chairman of the Wall 
Street investment bank Goldman, Sachs: ``The global bond market 
can be a very tough disciplinarian. Bond buyers have a very 
conservative bias, they'll be looking very hard at whatever 
Clinton does.''
Coming from Hormats, that message is indeed significant. Hormats 
not only served as an adviser to Clinton on economic policy, 
his name has also been mentioned for a top economic policy position 
in the new cabinet. Moreover, his firm, Goldman, Sachs--one 
of the key players in the derivatives markets--was the largest 
single contributor to the Clinton campaign.
The {Journal} is just one among many organs of the international 
financial elite which has been telling Clinton that he must 
move immediately to assure the ``markets'' that he won't embark 
on a growth plan beyond that which he outlined during the campaign.
Paul Tsongas, a founder of the rabidly pro-austerity Concord 
Coalition, along with Warren Rudman, Council on Foreign Relations 
Chairman Peter Peterson, and Washington attorney Lloyd Cutler, 
went on national television on Nov. 9 to tell Clinton that his 
constituency is no longer the U.S. electorate, but the international 
financial markets.
Similarly vicious advice has come from a host of media scribblers 
who speak on behalf of the Wall Street establishment. Morton 
Kondracke of the {New Republic}--which supported Mussolini's 
fascist policies--wrote in the Nov. 7 {Washington Times} that 
``to calm the financial markets, [Clinton] ought to limit his 
plans for infrastructure spending.'' Kondracke urged Clinton 
to appoint ``market-oriented moderates to key economic positions 
and include some Republicans in the groups,'' naming Rudman, 
Peterson, and Tsongas.
Former JFK adviser Ted Sorensen, writing in the Nov.  7 {New 
York Times}, urged Clinton to give a State of the Union speech 
early in his administration, to prescribe ``the unappetizing 
medicine that must be taken for several years by each segment 
of our society.''

-  Key appointments -
How is Clinton reacting? To the extent he's talked about economics 
since his election, he's reaffirmed his commitment to his initial 
program, but has also gone out of his way to pledge his allegiance 
to deficit reduction, and to reassuring the markets that he 
can be trusted.
One important indicator of the incoming administration's economic 
direction will be whom Clinton appoints to fill key economic 
positions, such as treasury secretary. Those who are reportedly 
on Clinton's short list for the posts do not augur well, however. 
In addition to Hormats, they include:
@sb^Paul Volcker, chairman of the Federal Reserve under Jimmy 
Carter and, subsequently, Ronald Reagan.  Volcker, who publicly 
endorsed the idea, first circulated by the Council on Foreign 
Relations' {1980s Project,} for the ``controlled disintegration 
of the world economy,'' is perhaps best known as the man who 
put the U.S. economy through the floor via his 20%-plus interest 
rate policy while at the Fed. Volcker is by far Wall Street's 
favorite candidate, although some in the Clinton camp fear he 
might overwhelm the fledgling administration.
@sb^Robert Rubin, a lifelong Democrat and close friend of Robert 
Strauss, who co-chairs Goldman, Sachs.  He recently stated that 
``you have to combine fiscal stimulus with long-term deficit 
reduction, and the art ot it is to make the deficit-reduction 
part credible.'' He has also asserted that Clinton would deal 
with the deficit more aggressively than the Bush administration, 
because the markets wouldn't give a Democrat the same leverage 
they would give a Republican.
@sb^Roger Altman, who met Clinton when a student at Georgetown 
University. He served as Jimmy Carter's assistant treasury secretary 
for domestic finance. He currently is a partner in the Blackstone 
Group, an investment firm headed by Peter Peterson, which specializes 
in buying up failed savings and loan institutions.
@sb^Felix Rohatyn, of Lazard Fre@agres, who created ``Big MAC,'' 
the bankers' dictatorship which has virtually run New York City 
since the mid-1970s, placating the city's creditors by slashing 
social services and stretching out infrastructure maintenance 
and investment to the point that the conditions of roads, bridges, 
and the water system have become nearly life-threatening.

>From EIR, V19, #46.


----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com



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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Apology for Chip Berlet
Date: 18 Jan 1993 11:12:52 GMT
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 cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee) 
(Chip Berlet) writes:


>P.S. You keep saying I have posted non-factual or innaccurate material.
>Anyone can make a mistake, and if I do I will say so. Please post all
>the specific errors so that I can correct them. Otherwise stop
>slandering me. Thanks.
>
>-Chip

To the best of my recollection the last time I raised the issue of 
factual innacuracies in your work was last October. At that time, as 
I recall, you objected in a similar vein. I responded in two posts,
one of which was devoted to a specific factual error, and the second, 
much longer post was a quasi-apology, in which I acknowledged that 
you do not appear to make such factual errors habitually, but went 
on to indicate why I nonetheless consider the overall thrust of your
work as it applies to LaRouche misleading. As it seems you may have 
missed these, I am reposting them below.

-Steve



Chip, when I posted my original response to you on the issue of
factual innacuracies in your characterization, I did not have 
the relevant quote at hand. I have now located it. It is from
the following message:

>From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee 
>Newsgroups: alt.activism
>Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
>Date: Sat Aug 22 11:17:00 1992

and states:


>Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas
>of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that
>today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
>converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
>of Biblical Jews.

The Liberty Lobby may well hold these views. What evidence do you
have that LaRouche holds them?

-Steve





Well Chip, it looks like you have an apology coming, albeit a srtictly
limited and somewhat grudging one. After looking through my small but
growing collection of Berletia, with particular attention to the three
part article "Larouchians as Fascists", it appears that you do not
routinely make blatant errors of objective fact as I had implied. I 
was misled by the one whopper I legitimately DID catch you in, combined
with my overall disagreement with the thrust of your other work.

That said, hiowever, I want to devote some attention to the sense in 
which I nevertheless think it is fair to call your work inaccurate,
even though the inaccuracies do not in general manifest themselves as
factually incorrect statements. One aspect of this is something which
any advocate of a particular viewpoint must do to some extent, but 
which I think you carry to unwarranted extremes. That is the practice
of selecting facts (and quoting opinions) which support your hypothesis
while ignoring or minimizinng those which contradict it. Thus, for 
example, you play up LaRouche's criticism of Jewish individuals and
organizations while giving only grudging acknowledgement to his 
persistent opposition to Naziism. Additionally, you entirely fail
to compare his criticism of Jews to his very similar criticism of
Gentiles to determine whether he is being even handed. And of course
you entirely fail to consider the question of whether any of his
criticisms are objectively justified based on the known or probable
activities of those whom he has attacked.

This is not your worst failing, however. I reserve that characterization
for the centrally important question you leave unanswered - a question
which was the FIRST question I sought to answer when I first began to
critically examine LaRouche's movement. That deceptively simple question
is this: WHAT DOES LAROUCHE BELIEVE? Now I knew better than this when I 
was writing for a local alternative paper in 1970. I was assigned to do
an article on the local peace movement. I went around to the various 
anti-war groups and employed the innovative and unorthodox research
technique of asking them what their positions were. When I was done I
wrote paragraphs on The New Mobilization Committee, the Resistence, the
Lansing Area Peace Council, and the Student Mobilization Committee 
(including the YSA and WSA/SDS factions). There was general agreement
that I had accurately represented their diverse viewpoints, and even
those who were bitter factional oponents of one another felt that their
views received fair treatment. 

3 to 4 years later when I became aware of the NCLC, I attempted to
employ a similar approach. I attended conferences, read literature,
and talked to organizers. When I heard reference to a concept I
didn't understand, I asked somebody what it meant. It took a while, 
but eventually I was able to grasp the underlying philosophical 
principles which tied together what might seem at first glance to be 
a diverse and unrelated catalog of positions. (To state them in 
overly simplified form, they consist of creativity as a physical
characteristic of the natural universe, self-conscious creative
intelligence as the uniquely defining characteristic of the human 
species, and the Idea of Progress as the central issue separating
the pro and anti humanist factions throughout recorded history).

Now you on the other hand, do not appear to have sought the 
underlying basis of LaRouche's ideology. Had you done so, you
could have performed a useful service, even to your anti-LaRouche
co-thinkers, by identifying the intellectual perspective of your
enemy. You could have attempted to develop arguments against what
LaRouche actually believes, instead of being reduced to the expedient
of arguing that he is racist, fascist, Nazi, etc. and should thus be
avoided. Finally, you would have had the key to what ACTUALLY attracts
people to LaRouche, instead of a rather pathetic reliance on polls
and demographics.

In your "Larouchians as fascist" post we find an intriguing passage
which is perhaps the basis for this glaring omission. You write:

>   Is LaRouche a fascist? The goal of fascism is 
>always raw power, and it will adopt or abandon 
>any principle to obtain power. The chameleon-like 
>nature of fascist theories is one of its 
>hallmarks, and often leads to confusion as to 
>whether it is on the political left or right as 
>it opportunistically gobbles up popular slogans 
>from existing movements.

>   Journalist James Ridgeway notes there are real 
>contradictions in LaRouche's politics: "While it 
>maintains contacts with far-right groups, 
>LaRouche's organization is ideologically at 
>cross-purposes with many which are nativist and 
>anarchist. LaRouche is an internationalist and a 
>totalitarian: he believes the masses are 
>`bestial' and unfit for citizenship."

>   Freelance journalist Nick Gallo takes us a 
>step further. In  he 
>acknowledges that much of what LaRouche espouses 
>"appears kooky, if only because his ideas 
>certainly defy conventional political analysis. . 
>. .However go beyond the individual positions on 
>different issues and beneath the surface lurk 
>echoes of sinister themes that have been 
>prevalent in the 20th century: preservation of 
>Western Civilization, purity of culture and 
>youth, elimination of Jewish and homosexual 
>influence, suspicion of international 
>banking conspiracies."

>   The opportunistic exploitation of 
>anxiety-producing issues by LaRouchies is no 
>surprise to Clara Fraser who knew LaRouche when 
>he was in the Socialist Workers Party. Writing in the 
> newspaper, she explains, 
> "The pundits are intrigued and puzzled by his 
>amalgam of right and left politics, a tangled web 
>of KKK, Freudian, encounter therapy, Populist, 
>Ayn Rand-like, and Marxist notions. They needn't 
>be. His is the prototypical face of fascism, 
>which is classically a hodgepodge of 
>pseudo-theories crafted for mass appeal. . . ."


These paragraphs present a view of fascism which emphasizes its
irrationalism and unprincipled opportunism, and attributes those
same qualities to LaRouche. In one master stroke you have rationalized
your failure to report on LaRouche's ideology. LaRouche has no ideology!, 
you tell us. Only a cynical laundry list of unrelated positions crafted
for mass appeal with no underlying coherence. 

The fact is that the philosophical coherence in LaRouche's work exists,
but is perhaps especially difficult to see if your view of the political
scene relies heavily on the use of terms like "Left" and "Right" as
though THEY identified coherent bodies of opposing thought. As a
then-anarchist I had already learned to view these terms as the 
artificial and misleading constructs they actually are. Thus the failure
of LaRouche's ideology to fit on that presumed spectrum didn't give me
a problem. I just continued to evaluate how their individual positions
related to their own standard of the struggle for Progress, and I found
them extraordinarily principled and consistent. 

Various progressive thinkers have attacked the idea of Progress on
philosophical grounds (Jeremy Rifkin comes to mind) so it is not that
this issue is not recognized on the Left. One is led to suspect that
those who philosophically oppose technologically mediated progress 
would prefer to make their arguments against straw men of their own 
choosing, rather than enter the lists with a living opponent who has
their number and would not hesitate to expose the truly wretched
anti-human implications of their position. They seek to arrogate to
themselves the moral high ground by claiming the anti-technology
position to be the pro-human position. It is not surprising that they
would prefer not to hear from the one voice today who clearly and 
consistently challenges that assumption.

Chip, if you want to do a competent job of researching LaRouche,
figure out for yuorself what he believes and report it. If you 
want to do a competent job of criticizing him, explain why you
think he is wrong.

-Steve


Chip, I think these reposts adequately address (at least for 
openers)the issue of my perception of innacuracies in your work, 
factual and implicit. If you would like a clarification on any 
point, or merely to express your disagreement, I'll be here.

-Steve


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Apology for Chip Berlet
Date: 18 Jan 1993 11:25:36 GMT
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Chip, as long as I've got your attention, I'd like to put a question
to you. Are you familiar with the "Frankfurt School" of social
philosophy? The reason I ask is because the LaRouche people have 
recently published a critical article on this group, which I'm 
trying to obtain in machine readbale form so it can be posted here. 
The reason I ask YOU is because you have cited as a source Hannah
Arendt, who was a member of this group. (According to the article, 
she was for a time mistress to the philosopher Heidegger who was
a suppoeter of the Nazis - I'm not clear whether both these conditions
are supposed to have obtained simultaneously, however). Additionally,
what I have been able to infer of your own political views from your
writing appear to echo the "Authoritarian Personality" concept of
Theodor Adorno, and the "repressive tolerance" of Herbert Marcuse - both
Frankfurt School adherents. So I was wondering, do you consider yourself
affiliated with this current of thought? Can we expect your commentary
on the article, in the event that I'm able to obtain it to post?
What's the story?

-Steve

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