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Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on October 28, 1994 was controversial 
author Eustace Mullins. Note that views expressed in the 
following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of 
Conspiracy Nation.
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It's *Radio Free America*, the talk show for intelligent 
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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to *Radio Free America*.
It is "fractal Friday", but in this hour it's not really going to 
be "fractal". It's going to be very, very important.
Now, before we start, with my guest, we need to clarify a term -- 
'cause I use it as a term of endearment, but a lot of people may 
not understand how to take it. And we're not gonna be like those 
in the "NewSpeak" game, or the Orwellian types. We're going to 
deal with language so that we understand.
There are people, like myself, who are called "health nuts". A 
"health nut" is a person who advocates natural health things. So 
that's... The "nut" is a term of endearment now. They were called 
"health nuts" by the establishment, in a derogatory way, for 
many, many years. But now, a lot of us are *proud* to take the 
term "health nuts".
Well there are also "conspiracy nuts". And they're identical to 
"health nuts": they have been put down with that term for a long 
time. They're a person who has keen insights to the ongoing 
problems of the world; and to the news of the world, he "reads 
between the lines" and he sees that there are people out there 
with an agenda, powerful people with an agenda. And he begins to 
believe it and study it, and he gets to be called, by the 
establishment (which is part of the agenda problem) a "conspiracy 
Well, *many* of us are "conspiracy nuts". And I'm *proud* to be a 
"conspiracy nut".
You're not a "conspiracy nut" worth a darn, unless you have read 
the several books by my guest: *The New World Order*, *Secrets of 
the Federal Reserve*, *Murder by Injection*, *The Rape of 
Justice*, and now, the latest, and evidently one of your most 
acclaimed books, Eustace Mullins, *Education for Slavery*.
Welcome to *Radio Free America*.
Thank you, Tom! It's certainly good to be on your show.
It's good to have you back! We haven't talked in a while.
No we haven't. I've been on the road quite a bit.
Well you've got a new book since the last time we talked.
What is this, *Education*... You've taken the whole educational 
system to task, have you?
More than that. I have traced all of the present educational 
programs right back, 5,000 years, to the ancient cult of Baal, 
which Jesus preached against during his ministry on earth.
That's fascinating. That *is* fascinating, and there's a lot of 
us who would believe that. Because that cult has *never* gone 
It has never gone away. It's more prevalent today, I think, than 
it was in Jesus' time. And, of course, this *really* gets 
conspiratorial because, when your education system has been 
subverted by a Satanic cult -- you don't get much more 
conspiratorial than that.
I would say so.
How do we make the links? I mean, without givin' away the whole 
book, what are the major links going back?
The links. The cult of Baal went underground after Jesus' 
ministry, and it re-appeared as Humanism. Then it re-appeared as 
the Renaissance, the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution 
-- all of these are manifestations of this ancient cult. And 
actually, it came to power, over the educational system in this 
country, through Humanism.
I have no doubt about that at all: I have followed humanist... I 
*was* one. I was a brainwashed humanist for a very big part of my 
younger life!
My goodness.
Oh yeah! You know, you go to college in America, if you're not 
too smart you're gonna be caught up in it. In fact, I mentioned 
it in the first hour. I was given the Franz Boaz, Ashley 
Montague, Russell What's-his-name...
Bertrand Russell, yeah.
Bertrand Russell and Aldous Huxley and all of that stuff -- and I 
just ate it up! Because I didn't know any better.
Well they were the most revered people of the academic world at 
that time!
Yes they were, in the '50s.
And so, these people, though, were preaching something that... 
How would you phrase it? What is it that Humanism does that isn't 
good for people? That is Satanic, that is diabolical?
It's anti-God. It places man above God! And that's a fundamental 
error. And I think Humanism is the origin of "feel good" 
liberalism. They want people to feel good about themselves; they 
want 'em to have more self-esteem. Well you have self-esteem by 
having character! By having integrity. By producing something of 
value to the world.
Ah, but since they can't do that, they preach the self-esteem 
*without* the character, and *without* the value.
They give you the self-esteem without any values on your part. 
And of course that also gives 'em tremendous *control* over you, 
because once you've been told that you have self-esteem then you 
are at the mercy of people who are manipulating you. You become a 
I can certainly sense that and feel that.
All right! Ladies and gentlemen, my guest is author Eustace 
Mullins. He's been around for a long, long time. And he and I are 
just gonna have a little conversation about a *lot* of things 
that have been going on for many years.
You may join us: 1-800-878-8255. You may call any time you feel. 
Eustace and I can handle it.
I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
All right, we are back, live. And like I said, my guest is 
Eustace Mullins. [...Gives info on upcoming appearances by Mr. 
Now. Your books -- you got a lot of them. Three of your books are 
available from Liberty Library: *The New World Order*, *Secrets 
of the Federal Reserve*, and *Murder by Injection*. And they're 
outstanding. In fact, *Secrets of the Federal Reserve* was the 
one that exposed "the Fed" for what it really is.
Yeah. It was the first book to reveal the secret Jekyll Island 
conference at which the billionaires took over the money and 
credit of the people of the United States for their own sinister 
Yes. And when you did that, that was extremely controversial and 
it's been shut down! I mean, [it's] amazing how the media shut 
that fact down.
Oh, that's true. They have done that for years. And in fact, you 
know, when the Simon and Schuster put out a rip-off of my book 
called *Secrets of the Temple: The Federal Reserve*, they even 
stole my title. And they sold 300,000 of 'em. And *Forbes* 
magazine reviewed it and said, "This book has no secrets."
Well that's true. [laughs] There ya go.
It was a total rip-off! [laughs]
Well, but did they talk about Jekyll Island in that one?
No indeed. He didn't mention Jekyll Island at all. In fact, 
Greider, William Greider, who was a Washington editor of *Rolling 
Stone*, an establishment journalist, actually wrote this book. 
And he "pooh-poohed" any conspiratorial notion that there had 
ever been a meeting at all.
You're kidding.
Oh my... Right down the memory hole!
Oh definitely. He absolutely said, "It never happened."
Well, that's the purpose of that book: to counter what you have 
done for so many years.
All right. What I wanna do... First of all, I gotta tell 
everybody [...Gives info on how to order books...]
I'm at PO Box 1105, Stanton, Virginia 24401 [address to write to 
Mr. Mullins].
All right, now, Eustace, let's get started. You're not a young 
guy, neither am I. But how did you get started in this in the 
first place?
Well I met a political prisoner, a man who had been imprisoned 
because he stood up for the Constitution of the United States: a 
poet named Ezra Pound. And he had been incarcerated, without 
trial, in St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. And I was 
going to art school in Washington, and one of my professors said, 
"I want you to go out and meet Ezra Pound."
So I went out there. Ezra Pound said, "Go on to the Library of 
Congress and find out what you can about the Federal Reserve 
System." So I did it. And now, almost 50 years later, I'm still 
at it.

Now when you... You were just a young student. And Ezra Pound was 
a very controversial figure, world-renowned figure. [He] ended 
up, actually, exiled in Italy, didn't he?
Yes, he did. And, in fact, he was never tried. They finally 
dropped all the charges against him, after holding him for 
thirteen-and-a-half years, and he went back to Italy!
What were the charges?
Uh, treason...
Sedition? That sort of thing?
Yes. They claimed that he had given aid and comfort to the 
enemies of the United States. Well, unfortunately, the enemies of 
the United States were Franklin D. Roosevelt and Alger Hiss. You 
know, it was Alger Hiss who secured Ezra Pound's indictment for 
treason from the Department of Justice.
The famous turncoat, Alger Hiss.
Yes. The Soviet KGB agent.
And *now* the media was coming out with a story, trying to say, 
"Oh Alger Hiss wasn't really a 'commie'."
Oh they've been saying that for years.
I was in Washington at the height of Alger Hiss' trials. We had 
meetings every day with Jim Wiggins, editor of the *Washington 
Post*, George Stimpson, founder of the National Press Club. And 
boy, did we have some battle royales about the Alger Hiss case.
I'll bet!
All right, so you've been born and raised in this area of 
Virginia, near the nation's capital, haven't you?
Yes. I'm not far from Washington. In fact, I really grew up on 
Capitol Hill and the Library of Congress! Not only... Actually 
[I] was on the staff of the Library of Congress for quite awhile.
Is that right. See, no wonder you had access to a lot of things. 
And Ezra Pound, then: did you get to know him pretty well?
Oh I visited him every day for three years. And for three years, 
every day, he lectured me on world history! So that's how I found 
out what I know.
That is fascinating.
All right. My guest is Eustace Mullins. And we are talking about 
history. We're gonna just talk, if you don't mind, in a general 
way, Eustace, about things that you have seen, starting back in 
the times when you were influenced by Ezra Pound and it shaped 
your life for ya. And what we have gone through since then, to 
the point we are now. I think it would be kind of an interesting 
trail to follow.
I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
All right, we're back, live. If you'd like to join us, it's 1- 
800-878-8255. Those of you out there who are *not* into the idea 
of conspiracies, you're gonna get a real education here.
All right, so here you were, Eustace, as a young man. And now, 
here we are, this many years later. Have you ever sat down and 
just kind of chronicled in your mind how things have followed the 
patterns that people like Ezra Pound predicted they would?
Oh very much so. You see, Ezra had already been studying this 
situation for 40 years when I met him. So he turned over a lot of 
that 30, 40 years of research to me, which got me off to a flying 
start. And when I published my federal reserve book in 1952 (it's 
been in print since 1952), I would go to meetings and people 
would (and I was quite young-looking in those days), and people 
would say to me, "That's a great book that your father wrote."
Because they couldn't believe that I had written this definitive 
history of the central bank at my age. And, of course, I could 
not have done it without Pound's guidance.
All right. There's a lot of people that don't really understand 
why you and I will say that the federal reserve is the biggest 
problem America has. Can... Put together: why is it and how... 
Tell the story of how it came to pass.
Well they had a secret meeting at the millionaires club, on 
Thanksgiving of 1910, at Jekyll Island, Georgia. Which, at that 
time, the members of the Jekyll Island club controlled one-sixth 
of the wealth of the entire world. These people were very 
powerful: Rockefeller, Morgan, Aldrich... The same people, by the 
way, the same banking houses, which are running the world today, 
they got together in 1910. And this "federal reserve" was simply 
a takeover scheme! It was sort of like a Mafia group of 
chieftains, getting together for the biggest robbery in history!
And Nelson Aldrich was a very powerful senator. And he was 
related to the Rothschilds, I mean to Rockefellers, and so he was 
the one that pushed it through Congress.
Well he certainly was. And also, he was the chairman at this 
secret meeting down there. And of course, his daughter married 
John D. Rockefeller, jr. So that's how he had a grandson named 
Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller.
O.K. Now. Nelson Rockefeller's a very familiar name -- the 
Now these fellows: *why* would commercial bankers like this -- 
the House of Morgan, and I believe even the European bankers are 
in on this, are they not?
Oh yeah. Well this meeting was actually commissioned by Albert 
Rothschild of London. It was a Rothschild meeting, really.
O.K. So the banking House of Rothschild... And I remember another 
name, a very powerful name, called Warburg.
Oh the Warburg... Paul Warburg was there at Jekyll Island. He 
represented the House of Rothschild in the United States, 
secretly, through a firm called Kuhn-Loeb Company, of New York.
Well they're still around!
Oh yeah. Kuhn-Loeb is now part of Lehman Brothers, Shearson- 
Lehman. But Kuhn-Loeb's senior partner at that time, Paul 
Warburg's senior partner, Jacob Schiff, actually advanced $20 
million of his personal funds to perpetrate the Bolshevik 
Revolution in Russia!
That's a famous story that's not famous.
That's right. And you see, it took me many years of research to 
find out that Communism had been totally backed and financed and 
promoted by the federal reserve system!
That is just a scarey thing for Americans to hear. 'Cause -- 
"Wait a minute! We just spent 40 years in a Cold War. You mean to 
tell me we were building up all of our armaments and everything 
for people that we financed!?"
That's right! Even during the Cold War, the federal reserve 
system continued to finance the Soviet Union -- which was *never* 
a viable economy; it was a Third World economy. And we continued 
to finance, through the federal reserve system, through the Bank 
for International Settlements, in Switzerland. That's how we kept 
the Soviet Union going all these years. That's why we had to 
spend $248 billion a year for defense against this monstrous 
Soviet Union during the Cold War!
And the guys in... Wall Street types actually financed it, in 
order to get it going and to build ourselves an enemy.
They had to, from the very beginning. From 1917 on. In fact, 
Anthony Sutton has a very good book: *Wall Street and the 
Bolshevik Revolution*, which gives you a lot of the facts on 
that. And, of course, I have that in my *World Order* also.
Yes. *The New World Order* has it. [CN -- See also an excellent 
book of the same name by Pat Robertson.]
Now, it's interesting. Money. They want to control the money. And 
they did that, naturally, because the federal reserve system -- 
which is a private banking group, based upon what you discovered 
is absolute proof...
And oh! One more item. Didn't it slip through Congress at a very 
strange period in time?
Uh Christmas of 1913.
Christmas. Wait around for the Christmas break and pass it 
through Congress.
Was it a voice vote?
No, it was a majority vote.
You see, what happened: many of the congressmen who opposed this 
federal reserve act in 1913 (including Charles Lindbergh of 
Minnesota, father of the aviator), they had to go home for 
Christmas, which was a long trip in those days. There were no 
747s to whisk them [to] Minnesota in a couple hours. And so they 
left about the 15th of December. Well on December the 23rd, the 
senators who were left rushed it through Congress and got it 
And they had a quorum.
And they had a quorum, and it was passed legally. And the *New 
York Times* commented: "Never has legislation of such importance 
been passed so quickly under such circumstances."
And yet the people didn't catch on! And of course they didn't 
catch on because the *New York Times* didn't really say, "This is 
a scam." They probably were all for it.
Oh they were for it entirely. Well in fact, the Warburg... Paul 
Warburg, who secretly wrote the federal reserve system, was 
actually *controlling* the *New York Times* at that time.
Fascinating. And people wonder why you and I are "conspiracy 
[laughs] All right, my guest is Eustace Mullins. We're talking 
now about his books and about the, well, "conspiracy fact".
And you live in these United States. You need to know these 
1-800-878-8255, if you'd like to join us.
I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.

All right, we are back, live. My guest is Eustace Mullins, the 
author of a number of books: *The New World Order*, *Secrets of 
the Federal Reserve*, *Murder by Injection*, *The Rape of 
Justice*, *The Curse of Canaan*, and *Education for Slavery*, a 
brand new one.
Now I've not read all of those. I've got three of 'em I *have* 
read. In fact, *The Secrets of the Federal Reserve* (this'll 
bring back memories for ya, Eustace), I picked that up in a used 
bookstore in 1978 and read it -- the old, yellow-covered 
paperback, you remember?
Oh yes. Um-hmm [affirmative].
Yeah. And so that goes back quite awhile. You've been around. 
Like I said, you published this in '52. And I got an old one, an 
old copy, out of a used bookstore, way back then.
All right. John, in Folsom, Louisianna. You're on, with Eustace 
Good afternoon, Tom! Great pleasure to hear Mr. Eustace Mullins. 
I have his book, also from a second-hand store.
Is it true that Kuhn and Loeb got their financial start 
manufacturing military, army uniforms in Cincinnati, Ohio, for 
the Union forces during the Civil War?
Yeah, that's true. They were actually outfitters. And they made 
so much money out of the Civil War that they went into banking. 
Because they made gold; in those days you were paid in gold. And 
they had so much gold, that they went to New York and became 
*the* banking house of the House of Rothschild in New York City.
Now an author named "Wexler"(sp?) in *Merchant Bankers* says that 
Baron Rothschild set up the world's most extensive, effective, 
efficient, worldwide intelligence system two centuries ago. I 
prefer to believe that it's still intact and that it beats the 
KGB, or it beats the CIA, even today.
Would you comment on that?
That's an interesting question!
Well it is, that's true. In fact, these intelligence services go 
back to the Bank of England in 1694. Because bankers found out 
that when you deal in large sums of money, you have *got* to have 
accurate information about the guy you're lending it to and what 
are his prospects of ever paying you back.
So the intelligence business was not a governmental business; it 
was a banking business. It always *has* been a banking business. 
The CIA, you know, in this country, is called "The Company" 
because they're very heavily into banking and investments. Bill 
Casey was one of the biggest operators on Wall Street -- he was 
head of the CIA.
So this... We're talking... When you talk about international 
intelligence and James Bond and "007", you're talking about guys 
who are really working for the bankers.
I... Hold on a minute, John. I'll let you go.
But I've heard, Eustace, from a very reliable source (and then 
I've heard from *un*-reliable sources; Gunther Russbacher is an 
unreliable source, but he seconded this motion) that "The 
Company", the Mossad, MI-5 (or what it is), *and* the KGB -- all 
of them are actually in the employ of the banking, of the banking 
Sure. And they work together! You know, KGB and CIA were 
supposedly rivals. But, in fact, Kim Philby, of the British 
secret intelligence service, moved to Moscow and became a 
lieutenant-general in the KGB!
Yes. Well he was supposedly one of the most notorious double, or 
triple, agents in history. But I think it's all... I'm with you: 
it's all a scam. The bankers run all three or four units.
They certainly do, and they *do* work together. And that's why, 
right now, Bill Clinton is over there in the Middle East at the 
mercy of Mossad. (I don't know if he's got a one-way ticket or 
not. I'm kind of concerned about...)
*I* was concerned about it too, but it doesn't look like it.
Apparently not.
John. Anything else?
...Philby is more honest and more decent than Alger Hiss: he's 
"come clean".
Is it true, or is it a coincidence, that [the] Standard Oil 
empire and the influence that they exert have never competed with 
Russian oil?
Never. No, they've always worked together.
These people at the top level *never* compete with each other. 
It's like, you know, Gimbels and Macys in New York: they know 
what each other's doing, but they don't undercut each other that 
much. [CN -- Also, I have noted the decline in the past 2 or so 
years of the price of video cameras: they used to all start at 
about $1,000; now they all start around $500. I attribute this 
decline in price to a decline in demand. The point is that with 
true competition the price would have gone down much sooner.]
Great... Great conversation. Have a great day.
Thanks, John. Good questions. I'll tell ya, that's right.
It *is* interesting. Now I have said, though, on this air, that 
these people, in the boardroom (I call 'em "the immaculate 
'they'") who run everything in the world today -- the heirs of 
this legacy that you have written about so well -- will, are just 
like other humans: they're going to compete, they're going to 
fight one another, even though they have a tight control. And you 
would disagree with that.
Oh no. They have terrible battles among themselves. There's a lot 
of rivalry, a lot of back stabbing. But in the final analysis, 
it's them against you. They will always hold each other up in 
order to keep their control over you and me.
They like to divide the world up: "You get Indo-China and I'll 
take Japan. You get this, and I'll take Arkansas." That kind of 
thing, huh?
Oh "Divide and Rule" is the motto of the World Order! How they 
control people.
Now, it's interesting. The four areas that I've jotted down here, 
after looking at the titles of your books, in which the people 
who want to control the world -- *I* don't have this ambition. I 
don't know if you do or not. But I really wouldn't want to 
control the world if you offered it to me!
Most normal, healthy people would not.
O.K. So. The areas that they've gone after, in order of 
importance, appear to be (1) money -- federal reserve, control 
the money, the issue of the money is very important. Right?
Yeah, that's why they set up central banks. The first central 
bank, in 1694, was the Bank of England. Which... The stock was 
taken by the royal family of England and the leading dukes of 
England. And they have run that ever since! You've got 300 years 
I heard (and this is one I'll let you comment; you probably 
know), that when William and Mary went back to England -- that's 
when the Bank of England was set up -- they were financed by a 
Holland financier by the name of Suarez(sp?), and he, for his 
backing, they gave him the right to establish a central bank. And 
he used a guy, a Scotsman named Patterson, as a front.
Right. William Patterson was a front for the Amsterdam bankers. 
In fact, they ditched Patterson within a few years after they set 
up the Bank of England. He was only with it about 6 years and 
then he was history, he was gone.
Well that was the purpose of having him in there, was to give it 
history so they disguised who really owned it!
Oh yeah. But it was the Amsterdam bankers. It was Amsterdam 
bankers who financed William's invasion of England and taking 
over the throne of England by force!
Eustace Mullins, my guest. 1-800-878-8255, the number.
I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
All right. I'm just havin' a lot of fun here today. I just blew a 
one-minute spot by comin' off 5 seconds early. But we will get it 
down pat. Someday I'll know how to do this radio business stuff.
Anyway, Eustace Mullins is my guest. [ on how to get 
books...] And *Murder by Injection* is where I'm going next. It's 
a very interesting book. And because of my interest in health, my 
favorite of his many good books. [ on books and 
upcoming appearances by Eustace Mullins...]
Now. Eustace. You have money and the federal reserve and these 
guys behind it. And then there's schools, with your new book on 
the *Education for Slavery*. Then the law and judges, and I 
believe that was in *The Rape of Justice*.
Yeah, *The Rape of Justice*. Each one is a separate, monopoly 
study. I became interested in monopolies through the federal 
reserve system. And I realized that because they now had the 
power to print money, since 1913, they were printing the money 
and taking over other areas. So that's why you now have the 
medical monopoly, the American Medical Association, the medical 
trust. You have the legal monopoly, which controls the courts of 
the United States. And when you go into court, you are at their 
mercy because they can do whatever they wish. [CN -- See, for 
example, *Defrauding America* by Rodney Stich.]
Yep. And you've got the school monopoly.
And the education monopoly! And they found *that* was the most 
important one of all, because, by training the children to accept 
these other monopolies [and] never question authority. [CN -- 
Also, the media monopoly, e.g. *The Media Monopoly* by Ben 
Bagdikian.] Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal 
to challenge the national debt!"

Is that right!? The 14th amendment actually makes that statement? 
I gotta read that again.
Oh yes. It says that it's a violation to question the validity of 
the national debt! In other words, you say, Tom Valentine says, 
"Well, they create this money out of nothing!" Well you've just 
committed a violation of the 14th amendment by saying that!
By the way, they had a meeting of law enforcement police chiefs 
and so on down in "Albasqueeky", New Mexico here, a few months 
ago. And I've just recently heard about it. And they've listed 
the "terrorists". And people who oppose the federal reserve, and 
people who oppose the income tax, and people who oppose *NAFTA*, 
are now on the list of terrorists in this country.
Yeah, they call it "Constitutional terrorists".
Well! Aren't we something.
Well *health*, to me, is a big one. If you control the people's 
health, they're not gonna think so clearly.
Well, and that's why John D. Rockefeller himself, the same man 
whose son-in-law created the federal reserve system at Jekyll 
Island, he also, in 1907, John D. Rockefeller decided to go into 
the health business. And you see, his father, the founder of the 
Rockefeller dynasty, was William Rockefeller -- who was a side- 
show barker who called himself "the world's greatest cancer 
specialist" and sold bottles of oil for $5 apiece in the 1860s. 
That's how far this goes back. They were into cancer over 100 
years ago. And so his son, John, the original John D. 
Rockefeller, went into the health business as early as 1907.
And in the health business, of course, they found themselves a 
"quack", and used that "quack" to establish the American Medical 
Association [AMA]!
They certainly did. Because a "quack", by definition, is an 
unapproved doctor, a doctor who has no training. And any 
medication which is not approved by these same "quacks" -- they 
call it "quack medicine"!
That's right. And who was that first AMA founder, and the AMA 
That was Abraham Flexner(sp?) and "Doc" William Simmons(sp?) of 
Lincoln, Nebraska. "Doc" Simmons was a man who had 2 fake medical 
degrees. And he is the person who created the American Medical 
Association as we know it today. He took it over in 1898.
This Dr. Simmons -- they made a famous movie based on him, that 
he tried to drive his wife nuts.
Uh yes he did. Because she objected to his having a mistress 
there in Chicago. And so he decided he would give her drugs and 
drive her insane and put her in an asylum. And that would end 
this criticism.
Well it didn't work. She took him to court and got a divorce. And 
do you know that that became a very famous movie, "Gaslight", 
with Charles Boyer and Ingrid Bergman!
Yep. I was just sayin', "Gaslight", [with] Charles Boyer [and] 
Ingrid Bergman, is based upon a true story of the original head 
of the AMA. And you mentioned the name of the guy who set him up 
-- Abraham Flexner.
Yeah. Flexner was John D. Rockefeller's "stool pigeon" in setting 
up the takeover of the entire medical school industry by Carnegie 
Foundation, which was a Rockefeller Foundation subsidiary at that 
Yes, that's interesting. The Carnegie Foundation is also the 
Carnegie Endowment, [which] is the big one behind education. [CN 
-- To see how the Carnegie Foundation encroached on our 
universities, ca. 1880-1920, see *Universities and the Capitalist 
State*, by Clyde Barrow, published by the University of Wisconsin 
It certainly is. And they're totally controlled by the 
Rockefeller Foundation. When you say "Carnegie Foundation", 
you're talking about something that has no substance. It's 
entirely under the domination of the Rockefellers.
Interesting stuff.
Now. Abraham Flexner. Wasn't there a thing called "The Flexner 
He did "The Flexner Report", and this changed the medical schools 
of the United States from homeopathic, naturopathic medicine, to 
allopathic medicine -- which was a German school of medicine 
which depended on the heavy use of drugs, radical surgery, and 
long hospital stays. That's what we've got today, allopathic 
Yes. And then the next thing you need to control is the insurance 
industry and the hospital industry. And then you nationalize it 
and you've got everything!
That's right. And what Hillary Clinton was hoping to do for 
Senator Jay Rockefeller, the man behind health care "reform", she 
was going to deliver the health industry of the United States to 
him in a package tied up with a red ribbon. But she didn't make 
Yeah, let's hope the American people keep getting smarter. Thanks 
to books like [by] my guest, Eustace Mullins, you can do it.
If you'd like to join us in the last segment, 1-800-878-8255.
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
All right, Mr. and Mrs. America: every single morning when you 
wake up, you are surrounded by monopolies. Your life is actually 
*dominated* by monopolies. And yet your government has the gall 
to tell you that they have such a thing as "anti-trust laws". You 
have a monopoly on your money, the very lifeblood of your daily 
commerce. You have a monopoly on your health: don't dare practice 
medicine without a license. You have a monopoly on the schools. 
Oh yes. And on the courts. [CN -- Also, a media monopoly.]
The man who has studied each of these monopolies and has put 
forth a book on 'em, very thorough books, is my guest right now, 
Eustace Mullins. And the books are, *The New World Order*, 
*Secrets of the Federal Reserve*, *Murder by Injection*, *The 
Rape of Justice*, *The Curse of Canaan*, and *Education for 
And you even have looked at the religious monopoly out there.
Oh I certainly have! Because I found that the Rockefellers... In 
fact, the Evangelical Association was set up by the British 
secret service in 1848. And then they exported it to this country 
[and] it became the National Council of Churches. And so they've 
been very active in the religious movement.
The National Council of Churches is actually a British spy agency 
Oh yeah, it was set up by Lord Henry Palmerston, the head of the 
British secret service and British foreign minister!
And their purpose is?
To control the people through their religious observance.
That is one of the most important aspects of people's lives. And 
we have watched basic Christianity being washed down, watered 
down if you will, by the National Council on Churches, year in 
and year out.
Oh and they've been very liberal, very revolutionary. In fact, 
they invented what they call "liberation theology" in which they 
intended to liberate the Third World from you and me!
Huh. "Liberation theology" means... I thought it was to liberate 
the homosexuals and the females!
Well they're doing that too.
Not that they were slaves, but...
All of the monopolies work together. They have a common program 
and goals. And they're very vociferous in their demands, too.
It is really interesting, how they've done it.
Now. In your *Murder by Injection* you also dealt with the 
psychiatric profession.
I certainly did. I exposed Dr. Ewen Cameron, who was head of the 
World Psychiatrist Association -- in fact, he created it -- and 
he also worked very closely with the CIA and the British secret 
service in mind control, mind altering techniques. And they were 
very active in LSD, Lysergic Acid, and other mind altering drugs.
And those kids of the '60s thought that they were doing something 
on their own, that they were rebelling against something when 
they are actually set-ups.
They were set up all the way. They were victims. And some of 
those people are still suffering today from the things that Dr. 
Cameron and these conspirators... Dr. Sidney Gottlieb was the 
head of the mind altering drug division of the CIA. He was on 
television the other night, but he wouldn't answer any questions.
[laughs] You didn't get a chance to ask him any, either! If you'd 
have been with him!
You're *persona non grata* [i.e. not welcome] with the 
Oh very much so! In fact, there's an "iron curtain" on any 
mention of my name or any of my books in the establishment press.
An "iron curtain".
Well, I'll tell ya what: I am very proud to say that you're a 
friend and have been on this show a number of times. That you're 
appearing at my conference. And you certainly have performed a 
fantastic service for people.
Well it's fascinating work, every minute of it.
It is. And as life goes on, you see it, the monopolies, you see 
them set their hooks ever deeper, don't you?
They certainly do. Because they have only one way to go: they 
have to constantly extend their power. They can never relax, they 
can never ease back. They have to constantly be getting the 
people more and more under their control.
Yeah! Because the way the Soviet Union fell, the "front men" of 
the Soviet Union had their statues toppled by the people. But the 
*real* backers of communism weren't touched.
No indeed. They're still in the background.
All right. Well I'll tell ya: one of these days, maybe the 
sleeping giant will wake up, and it will be because of courageous 
writers like yourself. And I want to thank you very much for 
giving me your hour. And we will see you on Saturday, November 
the 5th, Eustace.
I'm looking forward to it, Tom.
We'll see ya then.
All right.
So long.
There he is, folks! And can you imagine: all these monopolies. 
And we don't pay any attention to 'em! We don't even *consider* 
them monopolies! But they *are*. Money. Health. Schools. Courts. 
Churches. -- monopolized by a single agenda.
And this man started off with the money. And as he pointed out: 
just a young student, influenced by Ezra Pound. And then he 
started studying the monopolies.
These are fantastic books, and you should pick 'em up!
  [CN -- Valentine gives info on how to order Mullins' books. 
  Because these books are probably unavailable from most public 
  libraries, and indeed may even be unavailable by ordering 
  them from your local bookseller, I include info on how to 
  obtain these books. Note that I personally receive *no* 
  financial benefit from any sale of these books.
  *Some* of Eustace Mullins' books are available from Liberty 
  Library. Phone 1-800-522-6292. Or, you can also write to Mr. 
  Mullins directly at PO Box 1105, Stanton, Virginia 24401.]
Hey! I wanna take a break. See you after the news.

 Brian Francis Redman    "The Big C"
    Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"        

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