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Subject: Re: Holocaust Museum Costs Taxpayers
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I commented to Mike Philips:

>>If you want to throw out subjective
>>insults, (arrogant, hypocritical, etc.) that's simply a matter of the
>>level of taste and civility you're accustomed to operating at.

Mike Stein replied:

>I have never seen him say that.  Perhaps you can find a single quote
>to back up your statement?

Quote from Mike Philips' post just prior to my own:

>Ho hum, just as arrogant, hyprocritical, and predictable as 
>ever.

As usual, thank you for your opinions.

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Mike Philips writes:

>As usual, Bob Hunt, who doubts that the Holocaust ever occured

That, sir, is a lie.  I've never said that and you can't find a single
quote to back up your BS statement.  If you want to throw out subjective
insults, (arrogant, hypocritical, etc.) that's simply a matter of the
level of taste and civility you're accustomed to operating at.  However,
when making concrete statements, there is some expectation that truth and
foundation will be involved.  The translation of your accusation is that
if I don't agree with you, then I must be evil.

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"For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
love-this is the eternal law." - The Pali Canon 1:5


From dbtgthomas@aol.com Wed Aug  2 13:40:30 PDT 1995
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I commented to Mike Philips:

>>If you want to throw out subjective
>>insults, (arrogant, hypocritical, etc.) that's simply a matter of the
>>level of taste and civility you're accustomed to operating at.

Mike Stein replied:

>I have never seen him say that.  Perhaps you can find a single quote
>to back up your statement?

Quote from Mike Philips' post just prior to my own:

>Ho hum, just as arrogant, hyprocritical, and predictable as 
>ever.

As usual, thank you for your opinions.

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"For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
love-this is the eternal law." - The Pali Canon 1:5


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Mike Philips writes:

>As usual, Bob Hunt, who doubts that the Holocaust ever occured

That, sir, is a lie.  I've never said that and you can't find a single
quote to back up your BS statement.  If you want to throw out subjective
insults, (arrogant, hypocritical, etc.) that's simply a matter of the
level of taste and civility you're accustomed to operating at.  However,
when making concrete statements, there is some expectation that truth and
foundation will be involved.  The translation of your accusation is that
if I don't agree with you, then I must be evil.

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"For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
love-this is the eternal law." - The Pali Canon 1:5


From dbtgthomas@aol.com Fri Aug  4 17:24:46 PDT 1995
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From: dbtgthomas@aol.com (DbtgThomas)
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Barry Shein wrote:

>>Please give me your best explanation of what any moral
>>lesson, however valid, however strong, has to offer that offsets that
>>immediate cost in human suffering?
>
>Well, you've been reading this group, right?
>
>Enough said. Or do some of these people posting here, the Griswolds or
>Ben Johnsons or Rick Savages, strike you as the sort of people to whom
>human suffering (other than their own) means anything?

I don't see what reading this group has to do with my question.  As for
the comment you lead into, I wouldn't have much clue as to what the
sensibilities of any of the posters in this group are.  Most are so caught
up in mud-slinging, offensively or defensively, that they reveal little of
themselves.  To share thoughts deeply enough to reveal yourself requires
sustained and open dialog, which in turn requires tolerance on the part of
the conversants, and tolerance is in self-righteously short supply here
>from  just about every quarter.

>I don't know anything about this particular funding to the Wiesenthal
>Center other than what you have reported. Perhaps we need to ask
>someone who thought it was a good idea, and isn't necessarily
>benefiting from it.

They aren't in favor of it, but here are some of the comments which
appeared in the L.A. Times regarding the grant.  I get the impression,
without confirmation, that it was from funds earmarked for schools.

***
   Missing from the story on the proposed $5-million grant to the
Wiesenthal Center are these facts.
   The "out-of-court" settlement agreement of the ACLU suit over the
original grant has been violated.  But the Registry of Charitable Trusts
refuses to investigate the charge by anyone who is "not a party to the
suit."  The agreement limits use of religious symbols in the facility  to
exhibits on display, but a Judaica gift shop is in place;  a Citizen
Advisory Board has seldom met to advise, and the Armenian genocide is but
a clip in a 10-minute film titled "Genocide."  Nepotism runs rampant
throughout the system.
   Many within the Jewish community feel this game shames the Jewish
people and the memory of the 6 million Jewish Holocaust victims.  There
are many sectarian programs that serve the public well, as does the
museum, but should they all line up now and seek government grants?

Hyman Haves, Pacific Palisades

***
***
   Giving the Wiesenthal Center another $5-million in state tax dollars
when clinics and hospitals are closing, local schools' teaching budgets
are being cut and public libraries fight to keep open on even a limited
basis is difficult to justify.
   What distinguishes the Wiesenthal Center from the other struggling
public and private nonprofit agencies in need of funds is its near-total
local ownership of so important and emotional an issue as the Holocaust. 
A museum with billionaire board members, a durable issue, a $56 million
dollar budget and needing Ticketmaster to control access to the popular
facility should have a difficult time justifying massive public funding.

Richard M. Walden, Los Angeles

***
***
   We are both Holocaust survivors and know that the Museum of Tolerance
is a very good idea, but do not believe that they should receive
$5-million from the school budget.  The Wiesenthal Center is a private,
nonprofit institution and should only be supported by donations and
admission fees.

Ursula Maschkouski & Gerhard Maschouski, Los Angeles

***

The main issue is not the validity of the institution, it's about people
playing on emotions for money and hiding behind a sacred cow to do that.
That sucks, even more so if the emotional ploy is based on something with
deep meaning to many.  It's prostitution, which, as the first letter
writer says, shames everything and everyone associated with it.  There
are, of course, other examples of this in our society some of much larger
scale, but few enjoy protection to the point that they can be brazen about
it and get away with it.  The reason for mentioning this one in this
forum, at least from my perspective, is to underscore the latitude
available to Mr. Wiesenthal and family under cover of the dialogue-proof
force field surrounding this subject.  It's been so strong for so long
that criticism or questioning of any sort is routinely branded as evidence
of hatred of Jews and thus shunted aside to reside in a scrap heap along
with accountability.  I don't see anything hateful in the letters quoted,
just some bits of common sense and a degree of indignation over this
rifling of the public till.  The national museum is engaged in the same
monkey business, just on a larger scale.  It ain't evil, but it's sure as
hell wrong, and there is nothing wrong about saying so.

>But as time passes I become less and less convinced that many of the
>problems of this society aren't simply a disease of the soul. The rest
>is mere scorekeeping.

I think I agree with your observation, if I understand it.  Scorekeeping,
though, is either keeping tabs on the game of life, or it is the game.

Thank you very much for your lucid comments.  I enjoyed your post.

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"For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
love-this is the eternal law." - The Pali Canon 1:5

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