From mgiwer@combase.com Mon Apr 15 07:14:54 PDT 1996
Article: 31230 of alt.revisionism
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From: mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zyklone B - Unlikely Agent
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:22:39 GMT
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>## Tom Moran writes:

>### This would show that Zyklone B was designed for slow extended release
>### in order to maintain a level of the agent in the chambers atmosphere."

>## These 2 lines above. Are they yours, or theirs?

>#      Yes. Now what?

>Yes what? They are yours? Then why the quotation marks in the end?

>## One more time: do you have a technical source that explicitly
>## states that the release was slow? Not that fumigation takes a
>## long time. We know this.

># My source is reasoning on why they would suspend it in the
># pellets.

>Unfortunately for you, your "reasoning" is not a technical
>source. It is also totally and completely false, as even
>your "revisionist" pals state. Your "reasoning" contradicts
>each and every technical source I saw.

># My source is my reasoning it would have to be kept fed into
># the atmosphere of the chamber to make sure it didn't all just
># sink down and settle on the top of the articles to be fumigated.

>"Sink down"? That would be quit a feat, as HCN is slightly
>lighter than air. Gases mix, Moran. Oxygen doesn't sink to
>the floor, for instance.

># What does the patent say? Wasn't it you that said you were
># planning to post the patent?

>According to an excerpt from the patent mailed to me (this
>is from the original, 1922 patent), most of the HCN is released
>within 10 minutes. According to "revisionist" Germar Rudoplh,
>in a temperature of 20 degrees, Zyklon-B releases 40 percent
>in the first half-hour. He seems to rely on information sent
>to him from experts in Germany; I'll try to contact them myself.

>There is more information to support the faster release rates;
>I'll post it soon.

        Contact them quickly.  It not clear how there could be any release at
a 20 degrees where HCN is still a liquid.  And keep in mind that it
will be an exponential release if it is warm enough.  That is, the
second half hour would be another 40% of the remaining 60% and so
forth each half hour.



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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Diesel exhaust that looks like steam is bullshit
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 20:17:39 GMT
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
> 
>Giwer dropped his extremely idiotic line of argument (which
>was that the court said that Pohl was *himself* in Treblinka and 
>that he made items from human hair *in Treblinka*), and now he
>goes on to babble:

        Your steam story is dead.  Personal attacks will not resurrect
it.  
 
># I thought it was clear from the beginning that the doormat story
># was also a lie. 
> 
>Giwer's problem is that there is no connection between what
>he thinks and reality. He also thought that Zyklon-B
>doesn't release HCN in a temperature of 20 C. He can test
>his hypothesis by standing in a room which is 20 C hot,
>and dropping Zyklon-B on the floor.

        I said no such thing.  So why the diversionary falsification?  
 
[...]





From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Diesel exhaust that looks like steam is bullshit
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 20:57:49 -0800
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Daniel Keren wrote:
> 
> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
> # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> 
> ## Giwer's problem is that there is no connection between what
> ## he thinks and reality. He also thought that Zyklon-B
> ## doesn't release HCN in a temperature of 20 C. He can test
> ## his hypothesis by standing in a room which is 20 C hot,
> ## and dropping Zyklon-B on the floor.
> 
> # I said no such thing.  So why the diversionary falsification?
> 
> Oh yes you did. Getting senile are you?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: mgiwer@combase.com (Matt Giwer)
>  Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>  Subject: Re: Zyklone B - Unlikely Agent
>  Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:22:39 GMT
>  Organization: images incarnate
>  Lines: 60
>  Message-ID: <4kru6f$k88@wi.combase.com>
> 
> [...]
> 
> ## There is more information to support the faster release rates;
> ## I'll post it soon.
> 
> # Contact them quickly.  It not clear how there could be any release
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> # at a 20 degrees where HCN is still a liquid.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mr. Keren is either incorrect or quoting Mr. Giwer out of context. According to the 
quote of Mr. Giwer provided by Mr. Keren, Mr. Giwer says nothing about the 20 degree 
figure being in Celsius. Perhaps in his statement he was hoping to imply that he was 
writing of a temperature of 20 degrees Fahrenheit. 

20 degrees C is hot. 20 degrees F is cold. Big difference.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

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