From rich@c2.org Sat Jul 6 08:48:22 PDT 1996 Article: 48579 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.uoregon.edu!tera.mcom.com!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship Subject: Re: BRADLEY SMITH'S WEBSITE IS allegedly SHUT DOWN, but might not have been Date: 5 Jul 1996 23:33:34 -0700 Organization: Uncensored Internet, http://www.c2.org/uncensored/ Lines: 78 Sender: llurch@Networking.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <4rl1bu$mpk@Networking.Stanford.EDU> References: <4rj7ov$5sk@news-e2b.gnn.com> <4rk1st$kho@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <199607054981.ABA1776\@infinity.c2.org> <5JUL199621471194@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:48579 alt.censorship:87699 dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes: > This makes me think: wouldn't it be amusing if this whole episode was > simply an innocent snafu that occured because of the name change and > that a polite request to the system manager to check on it would clear > it all up on Monday? > > I wonder if those arseholes went ballistic before considering the > obvious cause of the problem: domain name change screw-ups? Possibly, but I think there's something to it, too. Unless they present real evidence, though, I'm dubious that the "something" was "censorship." There are several other possible explanations. "White nationalist" Dennis Nix knew about the server name change on July 1st, according to his message to Stormfront. The "without warning" allegation, at least, seems to be untrue. ProtoSource's TOS says nothing about limitations on content. *If* Mr. Smith was booted for reasons of content, then a contract has been breached, and I'm sure Mr. Smith would have the full support of the net community in biting their heads off. The ProtoSource terms of service, which look pretty good to me, are at http://www.psnw.com/support/terms.html 1. The Protosource Network, a division of ProtoSource Corporation ("The Protosource Network") exercises no control whatsoever over the content of the information passing through The Protosource Network . [...] 2. The Protosource Network may only be used for lawful purposes. Transmission of any material in violation any U.S. or state regulation is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to: copyrighted material, material legally judged to be threatening or obscene, or material material protected by trade secret. You agree to indemnify and hold harmless The Protosource Network from any claims resulting from your use of the service which damages you or another party. 3. The use of The Protosource Network to transmit certain kinds of information (including without limitation, computer software and other technical data) may violate export control laws and regulations of the United States, whether that information is received abroad or by foreign nationals within the United States. Since The Protosource Network exercises no control whatsoever over the content of information passing through The Protosource Network , the entire burden of complying with such laws and regulations rests with its customers. You agree to comply with such laws and regulations and to indemnify and hold The Protosource Network harmless from any damages it may suffer resulting from any violation of the export control laws of the United States. Looks standard to me... nothing whatsoever about substantive content, and even if something is "legally judged to be threatening or obscene" or in violation of export controls (meaning strong crypto), all they talk about is indemnity. 4. Any access to other networks connected to The Protosource Network must comply with the rules appropriate for that other network. Use of The Protosource Network itself may be for any lawful purpose. Use of The Protosource Network for commercial purposes is permitted with the purchase of a business account. Commercial activity is prohibited with a personal account. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ I think it's most likely that Brad refused to pay the commercial rates. His site was clearly commercial in nature, but it was called ~brsmith, not ~codoh. It's interesting that Brad hasn't said a word -- only Richard Widmann. ProtoSource also bans sharing accounts, as CODOH obviously has. If CODOH was trying to use a standard personal account for their level of disk space and web service, then I'd say valleynet's failure to check http logs for unusual hit rates was negligent, actually. Most ISPs meter http use nowadays to ensure that people are paying their fair share. -rich http://www.c2.org/~rich/
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