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Subject: NO CONVERGENCE :Testimnoy of Franz Suchomel
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In article <3347ff6a.18206099@news.uniserve.com>, Ken Lewis
 writes
>Lanzmann, Claude.  Shoah:  An Oral History of the Holocaust.
>Pantheon Books. New York.  1985.
>
>pp. 52-57
>---------

It's not "testimnoy", it's testimony. 
>
>TREBLINKA
>
>Franz Suchomel, SS Unterscharfuehrer

In the US Army or the British Army, he would be a Senior Corporal, or
Junior Sgt. Consequently, we must take his 'testimnoy', VERY VERY VERY
seriously.

>
>Lanzmann (interviewer):  Are we ready?

[Not - are you ready, but are WE ready?]

>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  We can begin.
>
>Lanzmann:  How's your heart?  Is everything in order?
>
>Suchomel:  Oh, my heart -- for the moment, it's all right.  If I
>have any pain, I'll tell you.  We'll have to break off.
>
>Lanzmann:  Of course.  But your health, in general, is...
>
>Suchomel:  The weather today suits me fine.  The barometric
>pressure is high;  that's good for me.

>
>Lanzmann:  You look to be in good shape, anyway.  

[Only a 'minor' heart problem]

>Let's begin
>with Treblinka.  I believe you got there in August?  Was it
>August 20 or 24?
>
>Suchomel:  The eighteenth.
>
>Lanzmann:  The eighteenth?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....
[No it wasn't, no, I can't recall, I made a mistake, I didn't mean it,
you tell me the date.] 

>Suchomel:  I don't know exactly. 

[Says the eighteenth, but when questioned, says he doesn't know
exactly....]

> Around August 20, 

[For safety's sake - takes the nearer date and adds "around".]

>I arrived
>there with seven other men.

[Suchomel :it was the eighteenth, ok, no it wasn't, it was the 20th, and
I was with others]
>
>Lanzmann:  From Berlin?
>
[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>Suchomel:  From Berlin.

[Yes, it was Berlin. lots of trains go straight from Berlin to
Treblinka]
>
>Lanzmann:  From Lublin?
>
[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  From Berlin to Warsaw, from Warsaw to Lublin, from
>Lublin back to Warsaw and from Warsaw to Treblinka.

[From Berlin-Warsaw-Lublin-Warsaw-Treblinka - what a weird route and 
by Timbuktu-from anywhere - just don't me put on trial again]

[Not from Wolsec, then, Ken? managed to lose that did you? Dan Keren
did.] 

>
>Lanzmann:  What was Treblinka like then?
>
[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  Treblinka then was operating at full capacity.
>
>Lanzmann:  Full capacity?
>

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  Full capacity!  The Warsaw ghetto was being emptied
>then. Three trains arrived in two days, each with three, four,
>five thousand people aboard, all from Warsaw.  But at the same
>time, other trains came in from Kielce 

[It's odd that Suchomel uses the word 'Kielce'. This is NOT the German
name for that place.]

>and other places.  So
>three trains arrived, and since the offensive against Stalingrad
>was in full swing, the trainloads of Jews were left on a station
>siding. What's more, the cars were French, made of steel.  So
>that while five thousand Jews arrived in Treblinka, three
>thousand were dead in the cars.  They had slashed their wrists,
>or just died.  The ones we unloaded were half dead and half mad.
>In the other trains from Kielce and elsewhere, at least half were
>dead.  We stacked them here, here, here and here.  Thousands of
>people piled one on top of another on the ramp.  Stacked like
>wood.  In addition, other Jews, still alive, waited there for two
>days: the small gas chambers could no longer handle the load.
>They functioned day and night in that period.

["Warsaw ghetto being emptied" [c April 1943], 
"when the offensive against Stalingrad [1941/Jan 1942] was in full
swing", 
and it's August]

er yeah.

Most of the jews are dead when they arrive - so why bother with "gas
chambers"/CO2 chambers or whatever, just leave them on the Siding for a
few more days.
"the small gas chambers could no longer handle the load". Obviously not
designed by Germans, perhaps the Ukrainians.]

>
>Lanzmann:  Can you please describe, very precisely, your first
>impression of Treblinka?  Very precisely.  It's very important.

[Yes, VERY VERY IMPORTANT, or else!]

>
>Suchomel:  My first impression of Treblinka, and that of some of
>the other men, was catastrophic.  For we had not been told how
>and what...that people were being killed there.  They hadn't told
>us.

[I didn't know anything. In fact I don't even know what you are talking
about? What do you want me to say? I'ill say it, as long as you don't
put me inside again....]

>
>Lanzmann:  You didn't know?
>
>Suchomel:  No!
[No, nothing to do with me!]

>
>Lanzmann:  Incredible!
>
[Yes, everybody knew. All the Germans knew. All the Jews knew. Except
for the Allies, who knew but did nothing about it, that's Allied Logic.
Didn't even bother to look at air photos of the 'gas chambers', or even
mark them.....until Butz raised the matter, that is.] 

>Suchomel:  But true.  I didn't want to go.  That was proved at my
>trial. I was told:  "Mr. Suchomel, there are big workshops there
>for tailors and shoemakers, and you'll be guarding them."


"But true. I didn't want to go. That was proved at my trial." 

[So Suchomel who did not know, and was told "there were big workshops
there... - did not want to go,  - amazing and weird.

>
>Lanzmann:  But you knew it was a camp?

>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  We were told:  "The Fuehrer ordered a
>_resettlement program_. It's an _order from the Fuehrer_."
>Understand?

Order from the fuhrer. 

>
>Lanzmann:  Resettlement program.

[Suchomel takes the hint, and adds a litle more..]
>
>Suchomel:  Resettlement program.  No one ever spoke of killing.
>
>Lanzmann:  I understand.  Mr. Suchomel, we're not discussing you,
>only Treblinka.  You are a very important eyewitness, and you can
>explain what Treblinka was.

["we are not discussing you" - but we COULD BE. "You are a very
important eyewitness, and you can explain what Treblinka was" - Or
else!]

>
>Suchomel:  But don't use my name.

[I've suffered enough, leave me alone, I've only a few more years left
to live......]
>
>Lanzmann:  No, I promised. 

[It meant nothing, he broke it]

> All right, you've arrived at
>Treblinka.

[now tell us what we what want you to say or ELSE!]

>
>Suchomel:  So Stadie, the sarge, showed us the camp from end to
>end. 

[Usual tour of all the killing-installations, as Germans have no sense
of humour and just obey orders anyway..]

>Just as we went by, they were opening the gas-chamber doors,
>and people fell out like potatoes.  Naturally, that horrified and
>appalled us.  We went back and sat down on our stuicases and
>cried like old women.

["stuicases", i think you mean suitcases. Still, perhaps 'Ken Lewis'
doesn't speak English as a first language. Still, it is lucky for
history that they were opening the gas-chamber doors when Franz went
past.]

>
>Each day one hundred Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the
>mass graves.  In the evening the Ukrainians drove those Jews into
>the gas chambers or shot them.  Every day!

[100 Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the mass graves. And then
the Ukrainians "drove them into the gas chambers or shot them. Every
day!". 

The mass graves containing the 800,000 dead jews were all emptied later
and the 'evidence' destroyed....

>
>It was in the hottest days of August.  The ground undulated like
>waves because of the gas.

["Warsaw ghetto being emptied" [c April 1943], 
"when the offensive against Stalingrad [1941/Jan 1942] was in full
swing", 
and it's August]

er yeah.

>
>Lanzmann:  From the bodies?
>
>Suchomel:  Bear in mind, the graves were maybe eighteen, twenty
>feet deep, all crammed with bodies!  A thin layer of sand, and
>the heat.  You see?  It was a hell up there.

["the graves were maybe 18, 20 feet deep, all crammed with bodies! A
thin layer of sand..

..the ground undulated like waves because of the gas from the bodies".

 
MASS GRAVES, ALAS NOT FOUND, obviously the NAZIS DUG all the bodies,
nearly a million or two million or whatever it is this week, UP and got
rid of them all without a trace remaining, typically efficent in that
case]

>
>Lanzmann:  You saw that?
>
>Suchomel:  Yes, just once, the first day.  We puked and wept.

..the ground undulated like waves because of the gas from the bodies".
he saw it happen just once, his first day. 

>
>Lanzmann:  You wept?
>
>Suchomel:  We wept too, yes.  The smell was infernal because gas
>was constantly escaping.  It stank horribly for miles around.
>You could smell it everywhere. It depended on the wind.  The
>stink was carried on the wind.  Understand?

gas was constantly escaping...... 

>
>More people kept coming, always more, whom we hadn't the
>facilities to kill. The brass was in a rush to clean out the
>Warsaw ghetto.  The gas chambers couldn't handle the load. The

["Warsaw ghetto being emptied" [c April 1943], 
"when the offensive against Stalingrad [1941/Jan 1942] was in full
swing", 
and it's August]

er yeah.

>small gas chambers.  The Jews had to wait their turn for a day,
>two days, three days. They foresaw what was coming.  They foresaw
>it.  They may not have been certain, but many knew. There were
>Jewish women who slashed their daughters' wrists at night, then
>cut their own.  Others poisoned themselves.
>
>They heard the engine feeding the gas chamber.  A tank engine was
>used in that gas chamber.  
>At Treblinka the only gas used was
>engine exhaust. Zyklon gas -- that was Auschwitz.
>
>Because of the delay, Eberl, the camp commandant, phoned Lublin
>and said:  "We can't go on this way.  I can't do it any longer.
>We have to break off."  

[a junior Sgt knows it all ]

>Overnight, Wirth arrived.  

[From Wolsec?]

>He inspected
>everything and then left.  He returned with people from Belzec,

Eberl phones Lublin[?], who phone Belzec/Wolsec or whatever...

>experts.  Wirth arranged to suspend the trains.  The corpses
>lying there were cleared away.  That was the period of the old
>gas chambers.  Because there were so many dead that couldn't be
>gotten rid of, the bodies piled up around the gas chambers and
>stayed there for days. Under this pile of bodies was a cesspool
>three inches deep, full of blood, worms and shit.  No one wanted
>to clean it out.  The Jews preferred to be shot rather than work
>there.
>

No bulldozers, available, then. They're so thick these Germans.
Later the Germans dig up the graves which contain over 800,000 at a rate
of 3,300 a day and destroy ALL the evidence.

>Lanzmann:  Preferred to be shot?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

Let's get this right. JEWS IN A EXTERMINATION CAMP FOR JEWS are REFUSING
to carry out orders to clear up bodies, and are PREFERRING to be shot. 

>
>Suchomel:  It was awful.  Burying their own people, seeing it
>all.  The dead flesh came off in their hands.  So Wirth went
>there himself with a few Germans and had long belts rigged up
>that were wrapped around the dead torsos to pull them.

He's amazing, this Wirth guy. The man from Wolsek/Wolsec - a non
existant camp, which strangely, Auschwitz Commandant Hoess
mentioned.....

"Wirth went there himself with a few Germans"
>
>Lanzmann:  Who did that?
>
[Suchomel has just said it was Wirth with a few Germans, but challenged
by dumbo Lanzmann, Suchomel falls back on plan B]

>Suchomel:  SS men and Jews.
"Wirth went there himself with a few Germans"

[But the jews preferred to be shot then work there, Suchomel just said
this 10 words ago.]
>
>Lanzmann:  Jews too?
>
[But the jews preferred to be shot then work there, Suchomel just said
this 12 words ago.]


[Suchomel always desires to please, and Lanzmann must be slighty deaf.]

>Suchomel:  Jews too!

[But the jews preferred to be shot then work there, Suchomel just said
this 14 words ago.]
     --------
>
>Lanzmann:  What did the Germans do?
>
>Suchomel:  They forced the Jews to...

[But the jews preferred to be shot then work there, Suchomel just said
this a minute ago.]
>
>Lanzmann:  They beat them?

[But the jews preferred to be shot then work there, Suchomel just said
this a minute ago.]

>
>Suchomel:  ...or they themselves helped with the cleanup.
>
>Lanzmann:  Which Germans did that?
>
>Suchomel:  Some of our guards who were assigned up there.

Wirth went there himself with a few Germans/SS men and jews/some of our
guards who were assigned up there

>
>Lanzmann:  The Germans themselves?
>
>Suchomel:  They had to.
>
>Lanzmann:  They were in command!
>
>Suchomel:  They were in command, but they were also commanded.
>
>Lanzmann:  I think the Jews did it.

[But Suchomel said that the jews preferred to be shot then work there,
Suchomel just said this a minute ago, Lanzmann must be deaf.]

>
>Suchomel:  In that case, the Germans had to lend a hand.

[Yes, OK , yes, anyone you like, the jews/Germans/Ukrainians/ anybody.]


>
>
>pp. 61-63
>---------
>
>Suchomel:  The new gas chambers were built in September 1942.
>
>Lanzmann:  Who built them?
>
>Suchomel:  Hackenhold and Lambert supervised the Jews who did the
>work, the bricklaying at least.  Ukrainian carpenters made the
>doors.  The gas-chamber doors themselves were armoder hunker

"armoder hunker" doors. I suspect, that this means 'armoured bunker
doors'. 

>doors.  I think they were brought from Bialystok, from some
>Russian bunkers.

Bialystok [not the German name for that place]

>
>Lanzmann:  What was the capacity of the new gas chambers?  There
>were two of them, right?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  But the old ones hadn't been demolished.  When
>there were a lot of trains, a lot of people, the old ones were
>put back into service.  And here...the Jews say there were five
>on each side.  I say there were four, but I'm not sure.  In any
>case, only the upper row on this side was in action.
>
>Lanzmann:  Why not the other side?
>
>Suchomel:  Disposing of the bodies would have been too
>complicated.

Er? Too complicated? Suchomel waffles....

Like getting the jews to dig a big big pit, and then shooting them was
too complicated, because the bodies would not have been "disposed of".
The Germans are too stupid even to think of a mineshaft, thats a ready
made hole and they're normally very deep. 

Next year, the Germans dig up the graves which contain over 800,000 dead
jews, at a rate of 3,300 a day and destroy ALL the evidence.

 

The Germans also found time to destroy all the bodies at Belzec,
[600,000], Sobibor [250,000], Maidanek [1,380,000 or 80,000] Auschwitz
[4,000,000 - 1,000,000] Riga [46,500] Minsk [150,000] Smolensk
[150,000], Lvov [200,000], Ganov-Lvov [200,000] Panerai, [100,000]
Kaunas [70,000] Alitus [60,000], Prenai [3000], Williampol [8,000],
Katyn [15,000], Mariampol [7,000], Trakai [37,640], Latvia [577,000],
Mineraly Voda [tens of thousands] And Babi Yar [100,000] and a few more
places.....   

>
>Lanzmann:  Too far?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  Up there Wirth had built the death camp,
>assigning a detail of Jewish workers to it.  The detail had a
>fixed number in it, around two hundred people, who worked only in
>the death camp.
>
>Lanzmann:  But what was the capacity of the new gas chambers?
>
>Suchomel:  The new gas chambers...  Let's see...  They could
>finish off three thousand people in two hours.

>
>Lanzmann:  How many people at once in a single gas chamber?

There's two new gas chambers and these could finish off 3000 people in
two hours. So it was less than 1500.
>
>Suchomel:  I can't say exactly.  The Jews say two hundred.
>Imagine a room this size.

[A room this size? Suchomel says later  that the room was
about 13 feet wide. How long was the room? "The jews say two hundred -
in a single gas chamber, and there were two.]

Lets get this right. There were two new gas chambers [see above] they
could finish off 3000 people in 2 hours, Imagine a room this size...... 
thirteen feet wide, as wide as this room.
>
>Lanzmann:  They put more in at Auschwitz.
>
>Suchomel:  Auschwitz was a factory!

[Earlier Suchomel says "At Treblinka the only gas used was engine
exhaust. Zyklon gas -- that was Auschwitz." Now he says Auschwitz was a
factory!] 

>
>Lanzmann:  And Treblinka?
[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  I'll give you my definition.  Keep this in mind!

>Treblinka was a primitive but effective production line of death.
>Understand?
>
>Lanzmann:  Yes.  But primitive?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  Primitive, yes.  But it worked well, that production
>line of death.

[Primitive, yes, but NOT that primitive, it worked well, but it was
still primitive etc] 
>
>Lanzmann:  Was Belzec even more rudimentary?
>

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  Belzec was the laboratory.  Wirth was camp commandant.
>He tried everything imaginable there.  He got off on the wrong
>foot.  The pits were overflowing and the cesspool seeped out in
>front of the SS mess hall.  It stank -- in front of the mess
>hall, in front of their barracks.
>
>Lanzmann:  Were you at Belzec?
>
>Suchomel:  No. 

[Were you at Belzec? No.]

> Wirth with his own men -- with Franz, with
>Oberhauser and Hackenhold -- he tried everything there.  Those
>three had to put the bodies in the pits themselves so that Wirth
>could see how much space he needed.  

Wirth, Oberhauser and Hackenhold, those 3 had to put the bodies in the
pits themselves.....and there's hundreds/thousands/millions of jews
around...

>And when they rebelled --
>Franz refused -- Wirth beat Franz with a whip.  He whipped
>Hackenhold too.  You see?

[He's a nasty man that Wirth, isn't he. But certainly good executive
material. 

"the bodies in the pits", again - at Belzec, 2 million dug up and
completely destroyed] 

>
>Lanzmann:  Kurt Franz?
>
>Suchomel:  Kurt Franz.  That's how Wirth was.  Then, with that
>experiment behind him, he came to Treblinka.
>
>
>pp. 105-111
>-----------
>
>Suchomel:  "Looking squarely ahead, brave and joyous,
>            at the world,
>            the squads march to work.
>            All that matters now is Treblinka.
>            It is our destiny.
>            That's why we've become one with Treblinka
>            in no time at all.
>            We know only the word of our commander,
>            we know only obedience and duty,
>            we want to serve, to go on serving,
>            until a little luck ends it all.  Hurray!"
>
>Lanzmann:  Once more, but louder!

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  We're laughing about it, but it's so sad!
>
>Lanzmann:  No one's laughing.

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Don't be sore at me.  You want history -- I'm giving
>you history. Franz wrote the words.  The melody came from
>Buchenwald.  Camp Buchenwald, where Franz was a guard.  New Jews
>who arrived in the morning, new "worker Jews," were taught the
>song.  And by evening they had to be able to sing along with it.

[And by the end of the week, they had to play it on the piano]

>
>Lanzmann:  Sing it again.
>
[This time in the Key of F Major. Suchomel always desires to
please.....]

>Suchomel:  All right.
>
>Lanzmann:  It's very important.  But loud!

[Why is it very important? Why loud? But Suchomel always desires to
please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  "Looking squarely ahead, brave and joyous,
>            at the world,
>            the squads march to work.
>            All that matters now is Treblinka.
>            It is our destiny.
>            That's why we've become one with Treblinka
>            in no time at all.
>            We know only the word of our Commander,
>            we know only obedience and duty,
>            we want to serve, to go on serving,
>            until a little luck ends it all.  Hurray!"
>
>Satisfied?  That's unique.  No Jew knows that today!
>
>Lanzmann:  How was it possible in Treblinka in peak days to
>"process" eighteen thousand people?
>
>Suchomel:  Eighteen thousand is too high.
>
>Lanzmann:  But I read that figure in court reports.

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Sure.
>
>Lanzmann:  To "process" eighteen thousand people, to liquidate
>them...
>
>Suchomel:  Mr. Lanzmann, that's an exaggeration.  Believe me.

>
>Lanzmann:  How many?
>
>Suchomel:  Twelve thousand to fifteen thousand.  But we had to
>spend half the night at it.  In January the trains started
>arriving at 6 A.M.

Lets get this right. There were two new gas chambers [see above] they
could finish off 3000 people in 2 hours, Imagine a room this
size......the room was about 13 feet wide....... 
3000 people in 2 hours in the two new gas chambers, that is 36,000 jews
a day, and then there is the eight or ten old gas chambers.... 
"When there were a lot of trains, a lot of people, the old ones were
put back into service." 
And the shootings, and the ones dead on arrival.....
>
>Lanzmann:  Always at 6 A.M.?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Not always.  Often.  The schedules were erratic.
>Sometimes one came at 6 A.M., then another at noon, maybe another
>late in the evening.  You see?

[Not always/often/sometimes] 
>
>Lanzmann:  So a train arrived.  I'd like you to describe in
>detail the whole process during the peak period.

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>
>Suchomel:  The trains left Malkinia station for Treblinka
>station.  It was about six miles. Treblinka was a village.  A
>small village.  As a station, it gained in importance becaose of
>the transport of Jews. Thirty to fifty cars would arrive.  They
>were divided into sections of ten or twelve or fifteen cars and
>shunted into Treblinka Camp and brought to the ramp.  The other
>cars waited, loaded with people, in the Treblinka station.  The
>windows were closed off with barbed wire so no one could get out.
>On the roofs were the "hellhounds," the Ukrainians or Latvians.
>The Latvians were the worst.  On the ramp, for each car, there
>stood two Jews from the Blue Squad to speed things up.  They
>said: "Get out, get out.  Hurry, hurry!"  There were also
>Ukrainians and Germans.
>
>Lanzmann:  How many Germans?
>
>Suchomel:  From three to five.
>
>Lanzmann:  No more?
>
>Suchomel:  No more.  I can assure you.
>
>Lanzmann:  How many Ukrainians?
>
>Suchomel:  Ten.
>
>Lanzmann:  Ten Ukrainians, five Germans.  Two, that is, twenty
>people from the Blue Squad.
>
>Suchomel:  Men from the Blue Squad were here, and here they send
>the people inside.  The Red Squad was here.
>
>Lanzmann:  What was the Red Squad's job?
>
>Suchomel:  The clothes!  To carry the clothes taken off by the
>men and by the women up here immediately.
>
>Lanzmann:  How long was it between the unloading at the ramp and
>the undressing, how many minutes?
>
>Suchomel:  For the women let's say an hour in all.  An hour, an
>hour and a half.  A whole train took two hours.  In two hours it
>was all over...
>
>Lanzmann:  Between the time of arrival...


[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  and death...
>
>Lanzmann:  ...it was all over in two hours?
>
>Suchomel:  Two hours, two and a half hours, three hours.

[two/two and a half/three - what do you want me to say?]


>
>Lanzmann:  A whole train?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Yes, a whole train.
>
>Lanzmann:  And for only one section, for ten cars, how long?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  I can't calculate that, because the sections came one
>after another and people flooded in constantly, understand?
>Usually, the men waiting who sat there, or there, were sent
>straight up via the "funnel." The women were sent last.  At the
>end.  They had to go up there too, and often waited here.  Five
>at a time.  Fifty people -- sixty women with children.  They had
>to wait here until there was room here.  Naked! In summer and
>winter.
>
>Lanzmann:  Winter in Treblinka can be very cold.

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Well, in winter, in December, anyway after Christmas.
>But even before Christmas it was cold as hell.  

[In winter, 
in December, 
anyway after Christmas, 
before Christmas - typically vague... ]

>Between fifteen
>and minus four.  I know:  at first it was cold as hell for us
>too.  We didn't have suitable uniforms.
>
>Lanzmann:  But it was colder...
>
[Suchomel always desires to please.....]

>Suchomel:  ...for those poor people...
>
>Lanzmann:  ...in the "funnel."

[Suchomel always agrees.....]
>
>Suchomel:  In the "funnel" it was very, very cold.
>
>Lanzmann:  Can you describe this "funnel" precisely?  What was it
>like? How wide?  How was it for the people in this "funnel"?
>
>Suchomel:  It was about thirteen feet wide, as wide as this room.
>On each side were palisades this high...or this high.

[or that or this, or that, or whatever and this is 'precisely']
>
>Lanzmann:  Walls?

[Palisades are wooden 'fences', similar to the sides of American forts
in the Wild West] 

>
>Suchomel:  No, barbed wire.  Woven into the barbed wire were
>branches of pine trees.  You understand?  It was known as
>"camouflage."  There was a Camouflage Squad of twenty Jews.  They
>brought in new branches every day from the woods.  So everything
>was screened.  People couldn't see anything to the left or right.
>Nothing.  You couldn't see through it. Impossible.

[Wouldn't it be easier to build a wall? 
"Hackenhold and Lambert supervised the Jews who did the
work, the bricklaying at least."]

>
>Lanzmann:  Treblinka, where so many people were exterminated,
>wasn't big, was it?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]
>
>Suchomel:  It wasn't big.  Sixteen hundred feet at the widest
>point.  It wasn't a rectangle, more like a rhomboid.  You must
>realize that here the ground was flat, and here it began to rise.
>And at the top of the slope was the gas chamber.  You had to
>climb up to it.

[the gas chamber - Suchomel said there was two new ones and several old
ones...]
[you had to climb up to IT]

[This is slimilar to Josef Kramers "further statement" which mentions 
"a gas chamber" ie one gas chamber at Birkenau. Previously he said of a
gas chamber and brutalities that it was lies from beginning to end. What
happened to change his mind? And why did he stay behind?]

>
>Lanzmann:  The "funnel" was called the "Road to Heaven," wasn't
>it?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]
>
>Suchomel:  The Jews called it the "Ascension," also the "Last
>Road."  I only heard those two names for it.
>
>Lanzmann:  I need to see it.  The people go into the "funnel."
>Then what happens?  They are totally naked?

[Is Lanzmann a pervert?]

[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  Totally naked.  Here stood two Ukrainian guards.
>Mainly for the men.  If the men wouldn't go in, they were beaten
>with whips.  The men were "driven" along.  Not the women.  They
>weren't beaten.
>
>Lanzmann:  Why such humanity?
>
>Suchomel:  I didn't see it.  Maybe they were beaten too.
>
>Lanzmann:  Why not?  They were about to die anyway.
>
>Suchomel:  At the entrance to the gas chambers, undoubtedly.
[Oh yes, yes, I forgot to mention it.]

>
>
>pp. 118-120
>-----------
>
>Suchomel:  In the "funnel," the women had to wait.  They heard
>the motors of the gas chambers.  Maybe they also heard people
>screaming and imploring.  As they waited, "death panic"
>overwhelmed them.  "Death panic" makes people let go.  They empty
>themselves, from the front or the rear.  So often, where the
>women stoof, there were five or six rows of excrement.

["stoof" - is that Yiddish? Do you mean "stood"?]

["They empty themselves", the "gas chambers" at Birkenau must be
literally smothered with excrement, and corroded with urine. No doubt
the Germans washed it away with high pressure hoses, like all the
'evidence', especially the concrete mushroom vents for example.]
>
>Lanzmann:  They stood?

[No, they stoof.]

>
>Suchomel:  They could squat or do it standing. 

[or on their heads, or anything...]


> I didn't see them
>do it, I only saw the feces.

>
>Lanzmann:  Only women?


[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  Not the men, only the women.  The men were chased
>through the "funnel."  The women had to wait until a gas chamber
>was empty.
>
>Lanzmann:  And the men?
>
>Suchomel:  No, they were whipped in first.  You understand?  They
>always went first.
>
>Lanzmann:  They didn't have to wait?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  They weren't given time to wait, no.
>
>Lanzmann:  And this "death panic"?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  When this "death panic" sets in, one lets go.  It's
>well known when someone's terrified, and knows he's about to die;
>it can happen in bed.  My mother was kneedling by her bed...

"kneedling", perhaps Suchomel was Yiddish? I think you mean "kneeling".


>
>Lanzmann:  Your mother?
>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  Then there was a big pile.  That's a fact.  It's
>been medically proved.

[It's been medically proved. Ramble, ramble. Yes, yes, it's all true, I
can attest to it - what do you want me to say?]

>
>Since you wanted to know:  as soon as they were unloaded, if
>they'd been loaded in Warsaw, or elsewhere, they'd already been
>beaten.  Beaten hard, worse than in Treblinka, I can assure you.
>Then during the train journey, standing in the cars, no toilets,
>nothing, hardly any water -- fear.  Then the doors opened and it
>started again,

[Beaten at Warsaw, beaten at Treblinka, then GASSED - no doubt to the
sound of manical laughter]
>
>"Bremze, bremze!"  "Czipsze, czipsze!"
>
>I can't pronounce it, I have false teth.  

I expect Mr Lewis means "teeth".

>It's Polish:  Bremze or
>czipsze.
>
>Lanzmann:  What does bremze mean?
>
[Suchomel has just said it was Polish. Lanzmann, now asks what it
means.]

>Suchomel:  It's a Ukrainian word.  

[Suchomel, who 2 seconds ago said it was Polish, now says it is
Ukrainian.]

>It means "faster."  Again the
>chase. A hail of whiplashes.  The SS man Kuettner's whip was this
>long.  Women to the left, men to the right.  And always more
>blows.  No respite.  Go in there, strip.  Hurry, hurry!  Always
>running.
>
>Lanzmann:  Running and screaming.
>
>Suchomel:  That's how they were finished off.
>
>Lanzmann:  That was the technique?

[Suchomel always desires to please.....]
>
>Suchomel:  Yes, the technique.  You must remember, it had to go
>fast. And the Blue Squad also had the task of leading the sick
>and the aged to the "infirmary," so as not to delay the flow of
>people to the gas chambers. 

Except in "January, February or March" when, "hardly any trains
arrived."

> Old people would have slowed it
>down.  Assignment to the "infirmary" was decided by Germans.  The
>Jews of the Blue Squad only implemented the decision, leading the
>people there, or carrying them on stretchers.  Old women, sick
>children, children whose mother was sick, or whose grandmother
>was very old, were sent along with the grandma, because she
>didn't know about the "infirmary."  It had a white flag with a
>red cross.  A passage led to it.  Until they reached the end,
>they saw nothing.  Then they'd see the dead in the pit.  They
>were forced to strip, to sit on a sandbank, and were killed with
>a shot in the neck. They fell into the pit.  There was always a
>fire in the pit.  With rubbish, paper and gasoline, people burn
>very well.

gas chambers, shooting, mass graves and pits, yet all the 'evidence'
disppears.....


>
>
>pp. 146-147
>-----------
>
>Suchomel:  At that time, in say, January, February, March, hardly
>any trains arrived.

[Does Suchomel mention any dates or have they been cut out by Ken
Lewis?]

>
>Lanzmann:  Was Treblinka glum without the trains?
>
>Suchomel:  I wouldn't say the Jews were glum.  They became so
>then they realized...I'll come to that later;  it's a story in
>itself.  The Jews, those in the work squads, thought at first
>that they'd survive.  But in January, when they stopped receiving
>food, for Wirth had decreed that there were too many of them...
>There were a good five to six hundred of them in Camp 1.
>
>Lanzmann:  Up there?

[Suchomel always agrees.....]

>
>Suchomel:  Yes.  To keep them from rebelling, they weren't shot
>or gassed, but starved.  

[Really, 500-600 jews, in an CAMP SET UP TO EXTERMINATE JEWS were kept
from rebelling by being starved, not by being gassed or shot. Perhaps
the tank engine had broken down, or the guards had run out of bullets,
or the Ukrainians had been posted elsewhere. No doubt the starving was
done to the sound of manical laughter. Or to the sound of Wagner
records.]

>Then an epidemic broke out, a kind of
>typhus.  The Jews stopped believing they'd make it.  They were
>left to die.  They dropped like flies.  It was all over.  They'd
>stopped believing.  It was all very well to say..

>.I.
[gasp - I mean] 

>..we 


>kept on
>insisting:  "You're going to live!"  We almost believed it
>ourselves. If you lie enough, you believe your own lies.  

[All heart, these Germans. Notice the 'big lie' technique ascribed to
the Germans. Hitler said the "Big Lie" was a tactic of the Jews.]

>Yes.
>But they replied to me:  "No, chief, we're just reprieved
>corpses."

[These Jews are not being very smart or clever here, hundreds of
thousands or millions or whatever it is this week, are gassed, shot or
killed every day at a EXTERMINATION CAMP for JEWS, and these JEWS expect
to survive! In a death camp for JEWS!]

>
>

The more open debate there is on the 'Holocaust', shows it to be what
actually is 

- HATE PROPAGANDA. 

This is why the 'debate' [ or what goes for a "debate"] - is going to be
closed down. 

After the UK, I expect America to be next.









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