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From: CODOHbos@world.std.com (Ross Vicksell)
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bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
>>As best I can recall, I got the stuff about Arabs being slighted by the
>>ADL in their World of Difference Program from some Arab-American 
>>publication.  I'll try to nail it down.  One wonders, what with the
>>rapproachment between the Israelis and the Palestinians, whether the ADL
>>will include the Arabs in their list of persecuted minorities in the future?

>One wonders what the hell this has to do with revisionism.

>What next? The "kosher tax" approach to proving the Nazis never mussed
>a hair on a Jew's head?

>I fail to see the relevance, and personally don't give a good goddamn
>about the ADL.

>This may come as a shock, but the ADL represents Judaism to about the
>same extent that the Knights of Columbus represents Christianity.

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The original subject was "Jewish" racism, which lead quite naturally to
the ADL.  And I'm happy to report that I did verify what I claimed about
the "World of Difference" program: Discrimination against Arabs and Muslims
is not mentioned in the ADL's high school level notebook for teachers.

As for what the ADL has to do the Revisionism, I need only remark that 
they're the principle purveyors of anti-revisionist hate propaganda in the
U.S.

               Ross Vicksell



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From: CODOHbos@world.std.com (Ross Vicksell)
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The ADL is of importance because it's one of the main sources of "Holocaust"
propaganda.  Other outfits in the same racket are the Simon Wiesenthal
Center in L.A., the U.S. Holocaust Museum in D.C., and Facing Hostory and
Ourselves (they brainwash teeny-boppers) right here in good old Boston.
That's "History" not "Hostory."

           Ross Vicksell



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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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A quote from Schindler's List (the book) p. 148:

    ... one was asked to believe that in the midst of a desparate battle
    the National Socialists would devote thousands of men, the resources
    of precious railroads, an enormous cubic footage of cargo space, 
    expensive techniques of engineering, a fatal margin of their research-
    and-development scientists, a substantial bureaucracy, whole arsenals
    of automatic weapons, whole magazines of ammunition, all to an
    extermination which had no military or economic meaning but merely
    a psychological one.

Added to this, the Germans had a pretty good idea of what was in store for
them if they lost the war: the execution of their leaders, dismemberment
of their country, and wholesale slaughter of themselves.

You put yourself in their boots.  What would YOU do?

                           Ross Vicksell



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Ken McVay, Ken McVay
How many kids have you spooked today?

      Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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kmhebert@seas.gwu.edu (Kevin M. Hebert) writes:



>Hello. I go to school in Washington, DC. Can anyone tell me where
>the Holocaust Museum is? Which Metro stop do I get off at,
>and which street is it on?

>Also: to you revisionists:

>Why do you insist on trying to disprove the truth? Many thousands
>of people still live that were THERE in WWII, and many who were
>VICTIMS of the Holocaust. It is sad that you would deny it. I
>wish it never had happened, but it did, and now we must take a
>lesson from it, and work to insure that it NEVER happens again.

>-- KMH

As for the museum, you can get canned directions to it by calling 488-0400.

>From us revisionists: What we want NEVER to happen again is for an
OBVIOUS hoax like the gas chamber story to even get off the ground.
Prtobably expecting too much, tho.

We have thousands of people who were there, too, who know it didn't
happen.  Unfortunately, most of them are afraid to come forward, for fear
of the consequences.  In the U.S., life is liable to be made quite
unpleasant for them.  In Germany, they get thrown in prison. 

          Ross Vicksell 


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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djg7@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (David Greenbaum) writes:

>Yesterday, I was browsing in Cornell's wonderful libraries.  While idly
>walking through a part of the stacks devoted to German historiography, I
>came across a paperback put out by the IHR,(Institute for Historical
>Revisionism), lionizing one of the biggest quislings of the war,
>Leon Degrelle.

>For those of you not familiar with Degrelle, he was a Belgian fascist,
>repudiated by his government, who formed the Walloons regiment for the 
>Waffen SS.  The Walloons fought on the Eastern front and are thought to be
>connected with several horrendous atrocities against the partisans during
>Operations Snipe and Wild Duck (occurred immediately before Citadel offensive
>in 1943).  
>Sincerely,
>Dave Greenbaum
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I understand your beloved partisans weren't especially scrupulous about
observing the Geneva conventions, either.  Upwards of a million (!) German
soldiers were murdered by these bandits. I can't blame the Germans for not
handling them with kid gloves.

As for the SS, by the end of the war it had become a European army, with
troops from France, the Baltic States, Norway, the lowlands, etc.  They
were all united in their common hatred of Communism.  The way these 
volunteers, Degrelle included, were persecuted after the war is utterly 
shameful.  

Do you really thing Eastern Europe fared better under the reds than it
would have under German control?  Interesting speculation.

                               Ross Vicksell

P.S.  There's a book by, you guessed it, Leon Degrelle, about the SS
on the Eastern Front.  You can get it from the IHR.


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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ccamfiel@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Camfield) writes:

>I hate to break this to you, but there are Revisionists who ARE
>"evil wicked NeoNaziAntiSemite ogres".  I believe that David Irving
>is associated with the Heritage Front in Toronto.  (Correct me if I'm
>wrong.)  

O.K., I will.  The Heritage Front used to show up at Irving's speaking
engagements in the Toronto area to control the exterminationist mobs that
were trying to break up the meetings.  Irving had nothing to do with their
being there.

Really, we revisionists are getting a little tired of hearing what a bad
guy David Irving is.  If your looking for bad guys, how about the guys who
not only try to keep him from speaking, but even from entering the country?
As a matter of fact, I don't think he can even get into Canada any more.

            Ross Vicksell



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mattk@netnews.usl.com (Kaufman M.E.) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Poor Cecelia!  She's seen the errors of her ways and expects to be lionized
>: right away like Jean Claude Pressac.

>: What I really want to know is what she found out from whatever senile
>: "survivors" she talked to that made her a true believer.  Care to tell us,
>: Cecelia?

>:                  Ross Vicksell


>Hmm. Thought Ross knew Cecilia and she certainly claimed him as a friend.
>Ahh well. I guess if you stop denying you have to expect your former
>compatriots to jump on you.

>I have many relatives who survived the Holocaust. None are senile. Perhaps
>you are, Hermann-wannabe. Only someone suffering from Alzheimer's could deny
>reality so readily.

>Matt

You're right, Matt, I was being a little hard on Cecelia.  If you're out
there somewhere, Cecelia, forgive me.  And lets hear the latest dirt on
Willis Carto.

As for denying reality: You guys have your reality, I have my reality.
Isn't there room enough in this big country of ours for multiple realities?

           Ross Vicksell


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FYI, I'm 63.  I was 14 when WWII ended.

Actually, these survivors, young or old, have never been that convincing.
Elie Wiesel started out by saying that his father died in a coal mine but
later decided he died in a "gas chamber" after all.  Rudolf Vrba was, at
the time of time of the 1985 Zundel trial in Toronto, THE premier suvivor.

I quote from Michael Hoffman's book "The Great Holocaust Trial" :

     Vrba actually confessed that his book [I Cannot Forgive] was "an
     artistic picture... not a document for a court."  He agreed that
     he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed to death but
     had heard rumors!

Mel Mermelstein is another professional "survivor" whose stories make
little or no sense.

And so forth.

That's why we insist on physical or documentary evidence; eyewitnesses
just can't resist blending fact and fantasy, so you can't tell which is
which.

          Ross Vicksell


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From: CODOHbos@world.std.com (Ross Vicksell)
Subject: Re: Family Channel (U.S.) to rerun "Holocaust" miniseries
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Dear Cecilia,

Once again, I must apologize for my petulant reaction to your avowal of
belief in gas chambers.  It was a knee jerk.  Maybe after we show you the
latest and greatest evidence of the non-existence of said chambers,
you'll come back into the fold.

I note you append an old-fashioned U.S.-Mail-type address to your post.
Would you rather I didn't send you e-mail?

I see what you mean about these anti-revisionists - they'd as soon call
you an anti-Semite as look at you.  Oh well, It goes with the territory,
as Bradley says.

        Ross

A note from one of my friends - you'll know who:

Cecilia: It is interesting to see your words on the screen concerning
Revisionism. I wonder if you would tell me what makes you believe that
Jews or others were gassed in gas chambers to kill them?  A full reply to
the question, giving all of your reasons could be very lengthy and
tiresome to you; a reply of any length would be interesting to me,
however. 
Are you suffering any harassment from people because of your revisionist 
views?       Stay well. Gott mit Uns!

           N.S.





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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:

>On Tue, 1 Mar 1994 04:28:18 GMT, in ,
>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) writes:

>	...but I'd like to point out that Holocaust, just like
>	Schindlers List. is based on a novel (i.e. work of 
>	fiction.

>Then it should be easy for Mr. Vicksell to name the "novel (i.e. work
>of fiction" that the Holocaust is based on.  The fact that he has not
>named the "novel (i.e. work of fiction" proves he will say anything to
>promote his agenda!

If I had been talking about "The Holocaust' I would have said so.  I was
talking about the 1978 TV miniseries "Holocaust."

>Actually, this brings up another point of contention.  How is it that a
>vast "conspiracy" to "hoax" the entire world has not left behind it a
>single document or memorandum to incriminate the "conspirators" or
>indicate how a scheme of such vast proportions was coordinated?  Yet,
>without a single piece of paper in evidence, Mr. Vicksell shamelessly
>contends that the Holocaust is based on a "novel (i.e. work of
>fiction!"


>--

I never said anything about a conspiracy. The Holocaust story is a myth
perpetuated by the establishment to maintain the status quo.

           Ross Vicksell



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sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:

>In article  CODOHbos@world.std.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
>>The ADL is of importance because it's one of the main sources of "Holocaust"
>>propaganda.  Other outfits in the same racket are the Simon Wiesenthal
>>Center in L.A., the U.S. Holocaust Museum in D.C., and Facing History and
>>Ourselves (they brainwash teeny-boppers) right here in good old Boston.

> Replies Seth Bradley:
>It is quite apparent that you do not feel that the information presented
>by these organizations is accurate.  In fact, the use of the word
>"Holocaust" in quotes, and the use of the word "racket" indicates that
>you feel this entire field of history has been completely fabricated.
>Please provide us with information you believe to be falsified, and
>there will be a number of people here who will address your claims.
>I hope that you do a better job than Dan Gannon or Milton Kleim did.

Who says "entirely fabricated?".  There's a kernel of truth in what the
claim: there were concentration camps, and many European Jews were
imprisoned in them and many of these died there.

As for Dan Gannon, I have it on good authority that he is finally going to
answer those Ten Questions you've been hounding him with since God knows
when. Thank you for your patience. 

              Ross Vicksell




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ai292@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gordon McFee) writes:

>>
>>As for the SS, by the end of the war it had become a European army, with
>>troops from France, the Baltic States, Norway, the lowlands, etc.  They
>>were all united in their common hatred of Communism.  The way these 
>>volunteers, Degrelle included, were persecuted after the war is utterly 
>>shameful.  
>>
>>Do you really thing Eastern Europe fared better under the reds than it
>>would have under German control?  Interesting speculation.
>>

>I think you are badly in need of a reality check, Mr. Vicksell.  Either
>you are an ignoramus (viz your remarks about the SS, as if they were a Boy
>Scout troop) or a Nazi wanabee.  Either way, you're a loser.
>-- 
>Gordon McFee ai292

I have a revisionist acquintance, Hans Schmidt. who was in the Waffen  SS.
He knows a lot more about the SS than you (or I).  I'll try to get him
involved in the discussion.  Hard to get through to you Germanophobes.

           Ross Vicksell



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In a recent post I accused Eli Wiesel of having changed his story as to
how his father died at Auschwitz.  Actually it was Mel Mermelstein who
switched stories. 

Sorry.  I get the guys mixed up sometimes.

             As always,
             Ross Vicksell


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It wasn't the (defunct) Nazis who extorted 100 billion deutchmarks from the
Germans AFTER the war.  It isn't the Nazis who have been laying a perpetual
guilt trip on the Germans for the last 50 years.  It wasn't the Nazis who
murdered three million Germans AFTER the war.  And you do have a foul mouth.

           Respectfully,
           Ross Vicksell


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golux@world.std.com (and not a mere Device) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: thorwitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ted D Horwitz) writes:
>: >What in the world about Schindler's List could be offensive to Muslims?
>: >I guess anything sympathetic to Jews is.
>: >Does TRUTH have anything to do with it?

>: Do you really think Amon Goethe sniped at inmates from his veranda?
>: Be serious.

>Gee, Ross, you have information to the contrary?  Please, trot it out,
>let us see it.

>:             Ross Vicksell

>D.J.Schaeffer       |   The Todal looks like a blob of glup.  It makes
>golux@world.std.com |     a sound like rabbits screaming and smells
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               of old, unopened rooms.
>                                 James Thurber, _The 13 Clocks_


Glad you asked.  Ernst Zundel had as Canadian named John Ball on his SW
radio show last Sunday.  Ball is an expert on the interpretation of aerial 
photographs.

He has concluded from studying wartime aerial photographs of the Plaszow
concentration camp that it would have been quite impossible for Goethe to
pick off hapless concentration camp inmate from his front porch, because
there was a big hill in the way.  Maybe he could have used a mortar? 

Ernst remarked on the disclaimer that appeared on the copyright page of
Schindler's List, the novel: "This book is a work of fiction.  Names,
characters, places, and incidents are either products of the authors
imagination or are used fictitiously.  Any resemblance to actual events
or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental."

I think maybe Spielberg should have put a similar disclaimer in front of
his movie.

         Ross Vicksell


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danny@arizona.edu writes:

>In , codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
>>"Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -
>>healthy, virile hate - for what the German personifies and what
>>persists in the German."
>>                  Eli Wiesel,
>>              in Legends of Our Time, page 142

>Yes, that has been posted here before.  I for one think that Wiesel was
>wrong for having that attitude.  Nobody is perfect, and given that he
>dealt with the horrors of the holocaust on a daily basis, I guess this was
>one inperfection that emerged. 

>I don't know if any researchers have taken opinion polls over the last
>five decades to measure Jewish attitudes towards Germany.  However, I
>suspect from my own anecdotal evidence that such attitudes are softening. 
>That is, there is a better differentiation now between Germans and Nazis
>than there was in Wiesel's generation - and certainly at the time Wiesel
>wrote that passage. 

>I wonder, did Wiesel ever write anything after that book to indicate an 
>evolution in his own viewpoint?

I apologize for posting something you've seen more than once before, but my
partners in crime didn't give me a very thorough briefing on what to do 
before they assigned me to the net a couple of weeks ago.

There's not much point in trying to differentiate between "good" Germans
and "bad" Nazis.  The fact is that overwhelming majority of Germans
were enthusiastic supporters of Hitler in the 30's: It was only when
the going got rough during the war that the people started getting
disenchanted with Nazism.

As for Jewish-American attitudes toward the Germans, I'd like to believe
it's as you say, that they're softening.

Certainly that's been the case in Israel, with the Israel Philharmonic 
playing Wagner for the first time.

                Ross Vicksell


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>The goals of the IHR and Mr Vicksell are not so much to disprove the
>holocaust as to vent their personal hatred on everything and anyone
>remotely Jewish. It's a Nazi grudge match over losing the war and some
>bizarre attempt to rehabilitate the image of Nazis. 

Bullshit,  I know everyone at the IHR personally, and I've never heard
any of them say anything anti-Semitic.

>This is why Mr Vicksell can find the time and energy to provide us
>with an irrelevant quote from Dr Weisel, but when asked to provide us
>with the slightest evidence supporting what he purports are his
>beliefs regarding the holocaust his silence is deafening.

News to me.  I thought I'd made a few valid points.  Besides, you're the
ones doing the accusing.  The burden of proof is on you.  Show us a
picture or model of a gas chamber.  I mean something that makes a little
sense, not like the ones in LA or DC. 

>Still waiting for your response on where the IHR has been getting its
>funding until recently, Mr Vicksell, particularly the non-USA sources.
>Perhaps we can focus on South America for starters?

I'm bemused be the "until recently."  Alas, has another one of the IHR's
mysterious rich sources of funds dried up?  If the IHR is so rich,
why is it operating on a shoestring?  

                Ross Vicksell


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ai292@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gordon McFee) writes:



>In a previous article, codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) says:

>>"Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -
>>healthy, virile hate - for what the German personifies and what
>>persists in the German."
>>
>>                  Eli Wiesel,
>>
>>              in Legends of Our Time, page 142
>>
>Once again, Mr. Vicksell, I am sure there is a point here somewhere.  One
>can understand why Mr. Wiesel said what he did, although I would not
>condone it.  But what do you mean to imply?

>At least Mr. Wiesel speaks of healthy, virile hate, rather than the sick,
>puerile hate you seem to display.
>-- 
>Gordon McFee ai292

>I'll write no line before its time!


Let's hear it for healthy, he-man hate!  And if anyone knows about hatred,
it's you exterminationists.  Seems to be your stock in trade.

The reason I dwell on the shortcomings of Saint Eli is that he's not just
another "survivor."  He's THE survivor.  Mel Mermelstein didn't get invited
to talk at the Holocaust Memorial Dedication in Washington.  Eli Wiesel
did. 

                    Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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What's most interesting in McVay's lengthly post is the mention, in the
"epilog" of part 2, that Willis Carto has apparently been "purged" from the 
IHR.

What! But I thought that Willis Carto was the mastermind behind all the
NeoNazi-AntiSemitic hatemongering going on in America.  He's #1 on the
ADL's list of the countries top ten anti-Semites.  You would think that if
anyone were doing the purging it would be he. 

Actually, Willis Carto's anti-Semitism about as authentic as his
neo-Nazism. I recommend reading the chapter "Willis Carto" in Mark
Lane's Plausible Denial, a book about the CIA role in the Kennedy
assassination, which you can find in almost any library.  Lane says: 

"On more than one occasion we [Carto and Lane] have spent the evening
sipping Blanton's, a fine Kentucky bourbon, exploring the vagaries of
world politics and exchanging world views.  I have never heard an
anti-Semitic expression from him in all these years.  I believc my own
life, marked by a struggle against all forms of racism, has created for
me adequately sensitized antennae so that if the offense was present, even
in latent form, I would have discerned it."

           - Plausible Denial, page 124

A personal note:  I deplore the feud between Carto and the IHR; I'd rather
 see revisionists working together than grabbing at each others' throats.


                   Ross Vicksell


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Seems to me Mel is the guy who came off looking sort of silly, especially
with the way his latest suit bombed.

       Ross Vicksell

P.S.  Have you seen "Never Forget", with Leonard Nimoy as Mel?



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carroll@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:


>Does anyone else find it at all interesting that the very moment one
>of our beloved net.revisionists dissappears after painting himself
>into one too many corners, suddenly a new guy pops up to replace him?

>Seems kinda fishy to me.

>	
>-- 

I'm not replacing Dan, I'm reinforcing him.  He'll be back.  And I'm
trying to recruit some other revisionist friends of mine, too.  Should
be lots of fun.


      Ross Vicksell



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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>Dan Gannon writes:

>#     Jewish organizations and the cable channel have received 
># complaints about the programs, which are being sponsored by 
># 42-year-old Tychicus Landon of Albuquerque.  Landon identifies 
># himself as a U.S. Postal Service clerk,

>Another "revisionist scholar", no doubt?

No, Ty is not "another 'revisionist scholar'."  He's just another revisionist
activist, like Dan Gannon and I.  

     Ross Vicksell


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Oncer again I've made a minor slip.  It was Menachen Begin, not Golda
Meir, who called the Arabs two-legged animals, and not just once, but
consistently, apparently.

The following quote is from a pamphlet called "Fort Apache: The Mideast"
published by the Revolutionary Communist Party, based on articles that
appeared in the Revolutionary Worker.  They, in turn are quoting from
page. 257 of Noam Chomsky's "The Fatal Triangle."

    "In my childhood I suffered fear, hunger, and humiliation when I passed
    from the Warsaw Ghetto, through labor camps, to Buchenwald.  Today, as
    a citizen of Israel, I cannot accept the systematic destruction of 
    cities, towns and refugee camps.  I cannot accept the technological
    cruelty of the bombing, destroying and killing of human beings.

    I hear too many familiar sounds today, sounds that are being amplified
    by the war. I hear 'dirty arab' and I remember 'dirty Jew.' I hear about 
    'closed areas' and I remember ghettos and camps. I hear about 'two-legged
    beasts' [the designation for Arabs commonly used by Begin - Revolution
    Worker] [I bet he cleaned up his language at Camp David - Ross Vicksell]
    and I remember 'Untermenschen.'  I hear about about tightening the 
    siege, clearing the area, pounding the city into submission and I
    remember suffering, destruction, death, blood and murder ... Too many
    things in Israel remind me of too many other things in my childhood."

                  Dr. Shlomo Shmelzman, who was forbidden by the directors
                  of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial Center
                  to conduct a hunger strike there against the
                  Lebanon War.


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I am happy to report that three prominent revisionist spokepeople are to
appear on nation-wide TV in the U.S. in the next couple of weeks.  Ernst
Zundel will be on Mike Wallace's Sixty Minutes.  Bradley Smith and David
Cole, two California members of the Committee for Open Debate On the
Holocaust, the group I belong to, will be on the Phil Donohue Show. 

If I find out more specifics, I'll pass them on to you.

Revisionism is on the march!


               Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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According to the NY Times of March 17th, "Germany's highest appeals court 
has reversed the conviction of a far-right leader [Guenter Deckert] on a 
charge of inciting racial hatred, saying that publicly repeating another 
person's denial of the Holocaust was not in itself enough to prove the 
charge."  The story says Deckert had been charged with "translating and 
commenting on a speech by an American neo-Nazi, Fred Leuchter."

I know Fred personally. He's not a neo-Nazi.  In fact, I think he's quite
apolitical. But don't take my word for it.  Read about Fred in "The
Execution Protocol" by English author Stephen Trombley, who spent a fair
amount of time interviewing him.  His portrait of Fred is far from
complimentary, but he never even remotely suggests that Fred has any
far-right political leanings. 

Fred is just another out-of-work engineer.

                      Ross Vicksell


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I repeat, there is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of one person ever having been 
gassed to death, let alone millions of people.

People are gradually wising up to this fact.


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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:

>In article ,
>Ross Vicksell  wrote:
>>It's O.K. Gordo, I get you guys mixed up too.
>>
>>          Ross Vicksell

>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. I suggest that you start the medication (Hydergin)
>before you degenerate to the state where you claim that there was no WWII!
>BTW - we don't believe that, Mr. Vicksell? Just asking. But of course we
>believe. It was that war during which Hitler and Himmler&Co took great pains
>to send all the European Jews to USA where they became media bosses so that
>they could invent terrible stories about their deaths in the concentration
>camps by gassings which of couse did not take place because they were at the
>same time media bosses in the USA. Very confusing to a layman, Mr. Vicksell,
>I must confess. But I'm working on it. In the meanwhile: DON'T FORGET YOUR
>MEDICATION!

Glad to see you're trying to keep an open mind, Kari.

As for the Hydergine, I looked it up in my drug book and saw where it had 
no bad side effects, unlike Holocaustomania, a.k.a. Exterminationitis, 
which seems to turn otherwise normal people into paranoid bigots.

           Ross Vicksell

p.s. How's the weather up there?


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
>>I repeat, there is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of one person ever having been 
>>gassed to death, let alone millions of people.

>Define "PHYSICAL EVIDENCE".

Aerial photos taken during the war, chemical analyses of the remains and 
environs of the alleged gas chambers, relic (bones, ashes, etc.)
that show that people were gassed to death.



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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>Engineering is a profession and as such is licensed. Representing
>yourself as an engineer when you're not licensed to do so is viewed by
>the law about the same as representing yourself as a doctor or lawyer
>without a license (two other professions in the same category.)

90% of the Engineers in Massachusetts are unlicensed, an awful lot of 
law breakers, but then again Massachusetts is notorious for scofflawery; 
look at all the jaywalkers we have.

As a matter of fact, Fred tried more than once (this was long before the
Auschwitz expedition) to get the State Licensing Board to grant him a
license.  They didn't want to be bothered, because "execution equipment
engineer" was not one their standard categories.  The kinds of engineers
they were most concerned about licensing were those involved in designing
things where public safety was involved - things like bridges and office
buildings. 
  
>This is why Fred Leuchter was tried and convicted a few years ago in
>Cambridge, MA for falsely representing himself as an engineer. It's
>illegal, whether you happen to like it or not.

The reason Fred was dragged through the Middlesex County courts is 
because the Holocaust establishment, led by Beata Klarsfeld and Shelly 
Shapiro, leaned very hard on the D.A. to prosecute him.

Fred had never misrepresented his credentials, to either the prison 
officials he dealt with or to the courts before which he appeared as an 
expert witness. 

>Part of the reason Leuchter got into trouble was precisely because
>he'd been representing himself as an engineer to various states on the
>subject of execution chambers (trying to sell them his services.) It
>was some of those states' attorney generals who contributed to the
>case against him.

The guy Beata and Shelly got to this time was the Asst. Attorney General 
of Alabama.

>And I will point out that the ONLY reason the IHR represents Leuchter
>as some kind of engineer is out of a desparation to show that
>*someone* of any credentials or education investigates or agrees with
>their idiotic ideas. Lose again.

Credentialed authorities: an Austrian engineer, a German engineer, A
German chemist, and, how about this one, the Auschwitz Museum itself! 
They all agree with Fred's basic finding, that the traces of Hydrogen
Cyanide residue in the walls of the alleged gas chambers are negligible. 
Of course the museum folks try to explain this fact away by saying the
stuff weathered away over the years. 

>Go find someone with bona-fide credentials to present or give it up,
>pumping up lunatic con men doesn't help your case.

See above.

                    Ross Vicksell




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According to Barry Schein:

>However, cyanide is not the sort of stuff that hangs around, and it's
>not the sort of stuff that's easy (or even possible) to trace if it
>reacts with its surroundings. Particularly over a period of 40 years
>exposed to the elements. There's no good tracer in cyanide, it's just
>a simple substance made up of very common and uninteresting elements,
>nothing to hang onto there, chemically or forensically.

>So, to whatever training in chemistry I have Leuchter sounds to be
>full of hot air on his hypothesis that there ought to be some
>significant amount of cyanide left in the bricks of a gas chamber that
>has been exposed to the elements for 40 years or more. To me the
>explanation that you so faciley hand-wave off hits the mark exactly as
>a reasonable explanation.

>Leuchter's not dealing with radioactivity or heavy metals like lead or
>arsenic or mercury or something that would stand out in a chemical
>analysis. He's trying to find something that makes a needle in a
>haystack easy. And worse, upon not finding it he declares a
>conclusion!

>No one (sane) would have expected Leuchter to find anything. Did
>anyone go to Leuchter and say that if those bricks were part of
>cyanide gassing chambers that he would then necessarily find traces of
>cyanide now? Were there any controls? Even revisionists claim that
>chambers were used for delousing with cyanidic gasses (specifically
>Zyklon-B), did he try some of those and show that he found cyanide
>there? Is his (and IHR's) conclusion based on Leuchter's "work" that
>absolutely no cyanide (i.e. Zyklon-B) was used anywhere at any camp?

but cyanide does "hang around", in the form of ferric-ferrous-cyanide
or prussian blue pigment, which was present in abundance on and in the
delousing chambers.

A control sample WAS taken from one of these chambers.

I suggest you take a look at the Leuchter Report.

              Ross Vicksell






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harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:

>On Sun, 13 Mar 1994 07:19:11 GMT, in ,
>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) writes:

>	Dear Cecilia,

>	Thanks for sticking up for me.  I've never seen so many
>	judgemental people concentrated in one place before
>	in my life.

>This, from a man who judged Elie Wiesel based one a single sentence
>that he wrote out of thousands of pages, and that taken out of context.

I'm not judging Wiesel just on the basis of that quote, but on the basis of
a lifetime of lies and deceit.  

>Whereas Mr. Vicksell has managed to insult the participants in this
>newsgroup in several of his posts, but refuses to take responsibility
>for them, or even to acknowledge them.

As a matter of fact, I've scrupulously avoided calling any of you names,
which is a lot more than I can say for you guys.  I recall you criticized
me for saying "bullshit" once, but I said that about an assertion being
made, not about a person.  I can see why you all must feel the necessity
to resort to ad hominem arguments so much, since you don't have much else
to go on.


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golux@world.std.com (and not a mere Device) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>: >Engineering is a profession and as such is licensed. Representing
>: >yourself as an engineer when you're not licensed to do so is viewed by
>: >the law about the same as representing yourself as a doctor or lawyer
>: >without a license (two other professions in the same category.)

>: 90% of the Engineers in Massachusetts are unlicensed, an awful lot of 
>: law breakers, but then again Massachusetts is notorious for scofflawery; 
>: look at all the jaywalkers we have.

>I want to know where you get the idea that 90% of the engineers in
>Massachusetts practice without a license.  Let's see some documentation.
>Then, if you would, provide me a list of the unlicensed Massachusetts
>engineers who prepare and publish scientific reports for use in
>scholarly journals and court trials.

>:                     Ross Vicksell


>D.J.Schaeffer       |   The Todal looks like a blob of glup.  It makes
>golux@world.std.com |     a sound like rabbits screaming and smells
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               of old, unopened rooms.
>                                 James Thurber, _The 13 Clocks_

I suggest you go back and read what I've said about our licensing board 
and their attitude toward which engineers need to be licensed.

It's true that, in general, people like Fred who were/are the head of an 
engineering firm have licenses.

But, once again, Fred never misrepresented his credentials to anyone.

          Ross Vicksell


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sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:

>The following questions address a couple of issues which might be of some
>interest to the readers of this group.  We already have answers to these,
>directly or indirectly, from the other members of the "Revisionist" camp,
>and I was hoping that you'd inform us as to your views as well.

>1.  Why is Revisionism an important issue to you (and it must be very
>important, for you to take up so much of your time with it).

This deserves a lengthy answers. I'll post it in a few days.

>2.  What are your opinions regarding Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich and
>the Nazi party?  No need to go into a lot of depth, just a generalized
>value judgement would be fine.

I think the vast majority of the Germans were happy  under Naziism, at 
least during peacetime.  I find its authoritarian and anti-Semitic aspects
somewhat objectionable, however.

                      Ross Vicksell


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>That's going to be my new answer: Oh, Leuchter spent a month in jail
>for holding an unpopular opinion? My my, somewhat objectionable.  Some
>thugs threatened Faurrisson? My my, somewhat objectionable.


threatened hell, they damn near beat him to death.


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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Quoting exterminationist historian Arno Mayer "Sources for the study of 
gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable," which doesn't square very 
well with the official line on the abundance of evidence.

Regarding aerial photos, isn't it strange that none of these photos, taken
on several random dates during the time the gas chambers were supposedly
going full blast, show any people lined up waiting to be gassed, or any
other indication that gassings were going on? 

            Ross Vicksell


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A few days ago, Danny Keren asked me to come up with some population
statistics to support my assertion that most of the missing east European
Jews wound up in the USSR, Israel, or the US.  The most substantial
revisionist treatment of the subject is in Walter Sanning's book "The
Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry", which is obtainable from the IHR. 
Since Sanning's book came out there has been additional research by a
German historian which points up the extent of the deportation of Jews to
White Russia by the Germans. 

Anyway, I suggest that Keren get hold of a copy of the book (I doubt that 
he'll find it in the Brown library) and read it, as a basis for further 
discussion.

                  Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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meidan@ecf.toronto.edu (MEIDAN  AMIR) writes:
>BTW, would you care to state which school teaches "execution equipment
>engineering"?  I may be interested in doing graduate work there.

I would venture that there are no such schools.
That's a shame, because execution is looking like a real growth industry, 
especially in the U.S. (By the way, I'm a doctrinaire opponent of the 
death penalty.)

        Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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I faxed this to Fred Leuchter:

                                                       March 22, 1994
Dear Fred,

            ...

                        Ross Vicksell 

                
p.s. Here's just a small sample of all the bad things they've been
saying about you:

>But, once again, Fred never misrepresented his credentials to anyone.
>
>          Ross Vicksell

You can push keys all you like but the fact of the matter is that he
has been convicted in a court of law of doing exactly that.

That's ok, it just shows everyone how credible you guys are. I mean,
is there anything that comes out of your keyboard that *isn't* just a
willful lie or distortion.
...
        - Barry Shein
---------------------------------------------------------------

Fred's reply:

__________________________________________________________________

Dear Ross,

Received your fax.  Relative to your discussion with Barry Shein, he 
stated that I was convicted for representing myself as an engineer.

You know I was not.  The complaint was dismissed because it was 
spurious.  It is only illegal to represent oneself as a Registered 
Professional Engineer.  I never did that and the court dismissed the 
complaint.  Shein is a Bald Faced Liar and you can tell him I said so.
If he insists tell him to produce the conviction documents.  There are 
none the disposition was DISMISSAL.

He is the purveyor of "willful lies and distortions".

Fred
_____________________________________________________________________

N.B. It's not me doing the name-calling; It's Fred.

              Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
Subject: Schindler's List Box Office Take
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According to a story in The Boston Jewish Advocate, "Spielberg ... is 
giving all profits from the film to Holocaust-related causes ..."
"Spielberg and Universal Pictures have selected Facing History and 
Ourselves, a Brookline based educational foundation, to develop materials 
and work with teachers to help high school students to explore the issues 
raised by the film."

Illinois and New Jersey already have compulsory "Holocaust Education" laws
that mandate the indoctrination of H.S. students in these states with the
"approved" version of the Holocaust Story.

Except much pressure to be applied to state legislatures (and legislators)
in the other 48 states.

                  Ross Vicksell


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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:

>In article ,
>Ross Vicksell  wrote:
>>My turn to do a little psychoanalyzing.  I think this person is on a big 
>>guilt trip about Finland fighting on the German side in WWII.

>If "this person" means me, I can tell you: not at all. 

Does this mean you think it was O.K. for the Finns, and hundreds of 
thousands of other non-German Europeans, to fight on the German side 
against the Russians?
   
               Ross Vicksell
            


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Do you find it exciting living in your imaginary world teeming with 
vicious anti-semites, or will just a few do?

           Ross Vicksell


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ai292@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gordon McFee) writes:



>In a previous article, gt91rdj@brunel.ac.uk (Ricardo D Joshua) says:

>>I hate having to do this, because I was beginning to enjoy myself once
>>more. Due to the term-system here, I have finished for this year. I will
>>no doubt return in late September.

>Nobody will miss you Ricky.
>>
>>
I will. Our side is drastically undermanned.

        Ross Vicksell


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ai292@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gordon McFee) writes:

>Ah, the vagaries of history.  But then again Ross, you don't know dick
>about history, do you?

I'm trying to learn. Be patient, all-knowing archivist.

                Ross Vicksell


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Sorry I got you mixed up with McVay.



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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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Another "forgotten holocaust" is the six million (yes, you read me right)
Bengalis and Assamese who were apparently deliberately starved to death 
by the British during WWII.

See Howard Fast's Being Red, p. 123.

             Ross Vicksell


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Subject: Re: Other Losses: Horsepucky by James Bacque
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Stephen Ambrose, as Ike's official biographer, was scarcely a
disinterested party as far as evaluting James Bacques's discoveries is
concerned.  He and his cronies later did a book-length attempted
refutation of Bacque, "Eisenhower and the German POWs." Even the title is
a lie, since, as is well known, the German captives were denied POW status
just so the Americans wouldn't feel bound by the Geneva Conventions in
dealing with their them.  Most irregular. 

The general level of scholarship displayed in the book is exemplified by 
one of the photo captions which informs us that "Catholic Services ...
were not permitted by the German Wermacht during the war."

            Ross Vicksell


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>You know, the thing that strikes me as most crazy (on the part of the
>revisionists) is the assumption that if these crimes of gassing etc
>did not occur that somehow Germany, over all these years, could or
>would not manage to make this known, or at least have the issue
>raised.

>Germany (particularly W. Germany) has been a major world power for
>many years now. They have many very smart people who work for their
>government who would know how to handle even a very delicate public
>relations matter.

>I'd agree that they wouldn't leap up with the sort of antagonistic
>ravings we see from revisionists. But you would think if such an
>incredible injustice was committed against them (well, the Nazi govt
>anyhow, but surely by implication the memory of Germans of the era)
>that they'd somehow manage to make it known over these past 50 years.
>Even if delicately and ponderously soas not to antagonize.

>So how come, it would seem, only these revisionists have this inside
>scoop?

>I think the reasoning it takes to rationalize such silence is madness
>in itself (more massive and absolutely unified conspiracy theories I
>assume.) I mean, the German govt these past 50 years hasn't been run
>by one person or even one party. Certainly if such a bald-faced
>injustice occurred someone of the thousands of people in a position to
>do so might have mentioned it?

>To fathom what revisionists have to believe about humanity is truly
>mind-boggling.

The most important fact to keep in mind is that it's against the law, and 
has been for some time, to question the "Holocaust."  

Nevertheless, there have been a few brave souls who have spoken up
(becoming, ipso facto, "crazy revisionists") , and have wound up with long
prison terms or heavy fines, or the equivalent. 

And at least one that I know of, Wilhelm Staeglich, was a government 
official, a judge.

              Ross Vicksell



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(Keith Morrison) writes:


>In article 5FM@netcom.com, codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
>> 
>> Attempted invasion of England? Tell me more about that one.

>Operation Sea Lion ring a bell?  Look it up in any standard text on WWII.
>Or are you engaging in a a debate over semantics?  Strictly speaking, there
>was no "attempted" invasion.  There was a planned invasion.  There was a
>cancelled invasion.  But I really doubt that you are so linguistically 
>fastidious that you could be really confused as to what was meant.

> 
>Keith Morrison

I'm NOT engaging in a semantic quibble.  Hitler had no serious intentions 
of invading England, and Churchill knew it.  According to David Irving 
(page 379 of Churchill's War, V. 1): "This time Churchill was not to be 
outwitted.  Thanks to his codebreakers at Bletchley he now commanded a 
total,indeed Olympian, view which his subordinates were denied. ...  By
the end of July he certainly recognized that Sealion was a bluff."

Sure there was an Operation Sealion on paper, but so what?

            Ross Vicksell


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quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:

>>Do you find it exciting living in your imaginary world teeming with 
>>vicious anti-semites, or will just a few do?

>   This coming from someone who idolizes SS troopers and believes in a
>Jewish media conspiracy dominating the Western world ?

>   Projection. An interesting concept.

>- Tony Q.

And you guys criticize ME for getting you mixed up sometimes.  I never 
said anything about a "Jewish media conspiracy" or anything remotely 
related to same.  The word "conspiracy" is not even in my vocabulary.

                   Ross Vicksell


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dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:

>    ... Look, there are not two sides.  There is
>    reality and there is the logic of a small group of people who for
>    various psychological reasons are unable to see reality for what it is.

>    It makes perfect sense for you to debate the merit of the holocaust; it
>    makes perfect sense to debate the merit of trying it again should Nazis
>    or neo-nazis ever gain power.  But it makes no sense for you guys to be
>    asserting that a historical fact did not take place.  It just makes you
>    guys look pitiful.

So what have you guys been beating your gums about for the last couple of 
years?

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