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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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There'll be a demonstration at the Holocaust Museum in Washington this 
coming Saturday from noon until 2 p.m., in front of the main entrance on 
the 15th Street side, led by black nationalist Robert Brock.  

               Ross Vicksell


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Here's a guest posting from Jack Wikoff, editor of the "Remarks" 
revisionist magazine:

Regarding Danny Keren's posting: Keren says "substantial amounts of 
cyanide compounds were detected" on the ventilation grills of some of the 
gas chambers at Auschwitz.

He is wrong for several reasons:

First; substantial amounts of hydrogen cyanide were not found, just trace 
amounts.  There is a definite limit to the amount of HCN a relatively 
smooth metal surface can absorb.  The value of Leuchter's study is that 
brick, mortar and cement is relatively porous and the HCN can permeate 
these materials to bond with the iron in the brick, mortar and cement.

Leuchter used a control sample, so he was able to establish a scientific, 
reliable relationship between "trace" and "substantial" amounts of HCN.

Second; just because HCN was found on ventilation grills, it does not 
mean people were murdered in these buildings.  Every historian of 
Auschwitz/Birkenau knows that tons of Zyklon B were used legitimately for 
delousing all over the entire camp complex.  For example, HCN was found 
by the Soviets in bundles of hair collected by the Germans. The motto in 
the camps was "One louse, your life."  Stringent efforts were made to 
eradicate all lice, to save the lives of both inmates and staff alike. 
Huge amounts of HCN were used, so trace amounts can be found all over the 
place; in barracks, in kitchens, in workshops, and in morgues.  Only a 
fool would believe that this means that mass gassings were going on in all 
of these places.

The new invention of DDT was not available in Europe until after World 
War II.  People do not realize how serious a health threat typhus-bearing 
lice were in wartime Europe.

In conclusion, the presence of trace amounts of HCN does not prove any 
homicidal intent or action, simply the residue of a very common process 
used in a type of pest-control application common all over the world up 
to the late 1940's.

The "holocaust" story is a classic example of psychological projection; 
the believer sees proof of his delusions wherever he wants to see it. 
This does not constitute proof, even if it is "validated" by kangaroo 
courts and show trials on the order of the International Military 
Tribunals at Nuremberg.


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Here's another guest posting, this time from Bradley Smith:

     Ernst Zuendel, the Canadian revisionist and publisher, is being 
attacked on one bulletin board or another because he says he's a Nazi.  
Since he says he's a Nazi, I'm going to take his word for it. I wonder 
what it means at this stage of the game to get so up in arms about 
someone saying he's a Nazi. We should really ask ourselves what we 
believe nazis did fifty years ago the Repuplicans and Democrats did not do.
     If the Nazis did not have a State plan to murder the European Jews, 
if they did employ gassing chambers to murder anyone at all because of 
their race or religion, if they did not cook Jews to make hand soap from 
their fat, if they did not flay Jews to make lamp shades and other 
bric-a-brac for their homes--what did they do that Democrats and 
Republicans did not do and have not continued doing during the 
half-century after the Nazis were destroyed as a relevant organization?


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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stara@husc7.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: There'll be a demonstration at the Holocaust Museum in Washington this 
>: coming Saturday from noon until 2 p.m., in front of the main entrance on 
>: the 15th Street side, led by black nationalist Robert Brock.  

> Ross are you going to join them? Or just posting it for those who wish
> to join you?  Ross I'm amazed by your attention to demonstrations at
> the museum of the holocaust. Should you organize one please inform me.


>:                Ross Vicksell

>--
>==============================================================================
>  ( No memorial can ever exhibit or impart the holocaust of SIX MILLION Jews)

>                   VIGILANS.ET AUDAX.SEMPER PARATUS.
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>==============================================================================

I'm not going down this time around.

             Ross Vicksell


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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>Vicksell said that no forensic analysis of Auschwitz was carried 
>out after the war. As usual, he was wrong. As usual, he has no 
>idea what he's talking about. His error was exposed, and now he 
>tries to wriggle out of it.
I meant SERIOUS forensic analysis, such as Fred Leuchter conducted, with 
control samples, etc.  So the Russians and Poles found HCN residue in 
various places.  Big deal.  As Jack explained it was ALL OVER THE PLACE.
 
>Holocaust deniers used to claim, over and over and over again, 
>that it would have been impossible to use Zyklon-B in the Auschwitz
>and Birkenau gas chambers. They "proved it beyond doubt". 
What "gas chambers?"
>However, now they have to admit that Zyklon-B WAS USED in those
>chambers, as the compounds are still there. So, they changed
>their claim to "it was used there, but for innocent purposes".
>This is contrary to the documentary evidence, to logic, and to
>the testimony of every one who was there, but what do the Vicksells
>care? Of course they don't care.

>What Vicksell probably fails to realize is that ALL the "scientific
>arguments" which were repeated by the deniers so many times, are
>worthless. They were all based on the attempt to prove that Zyklon
>wasn't used in the chambers. 
Says Who???
>Since it was used, these arguments
>are wrong. That is that.


>-Danny Keren.

Do me a favor.  Go and read Jack's post again.  And TRY to understand 
what he's saying.

             Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:

>I am writing, however because I feel that your Leuchter posting was way out
>of line.  Normally your use of Ad-hominem has been kept in check, and

News to me.

>discrediting leuchter on the basis of his credentials and his perjury was

What perjury?

>fine.  But in this, you have taken information that should be kept private
>(even though I'm sure it was publicly available) and broadcast it to the
>world FOR NO REASON.

>Ken, I tend to respect you, but if this is the "research" that you've been
>doing regarding holocaust education, it might be time for a new hobby.
>Leuchter has been thoroughly discredited.  There is no need to kick him
>while he is down, and this method besmirches you more than him. In fact
>that tactic is somewhat reminiscent of the "other side".

I think a neutral observer would agree that your side is way ahead in the 
ad-hominem department.

>Cliff Heller

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          Ross Vicksell


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There's a revisionist pamphlet called "Cult of Death" which deals very
nicely with the quasi-religious aspects of the Holocaust myth.  I'm pretty
sure Dan Gannon has it in his archive, and if so, I'll post it in the next
couple of days. 

                 Ross Vicksell


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charles11@delphi.com writes:

>Although the book "Schindler's List" is identified as fiction it is
>essentially history with certain marginal elements fictionalized. The
>author, in his forword, explains it this way:
>He says that the book is "based in the first place on interviews with 50
>Schindler survivors from seven nations". He adds that his book also "depends on
>documentary and other information supplied by...wartime associates of
>Oskar's,...,written testimonies" etc. He says further that he attempted
>"to avoid all fiction" and that most "exchanges and conversations, and
>all events, are based on the detailed recollection of the Schindler
>Jews, of Schindler himself and of others".

So where did he get the nonsense about Goeth sniping at inmates from his
front porch, a physically impossible act?  I suppose from the photo of
Goeth standing shirtless holding a rifle with a telescopic sight on it. 

>I believe this summary of the author's position on the factual basis
>for his book should clarify what is "fiction" and what is "fact".
>Another point of interest is that recognition that the movie is
>essentially a close mirror of the book - with the only exception
>being the last maudlin speech of the film.
>Charles11
                 Ross Vicksell


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
>>There'll be a demonstration at the Holocaust Museum in Washington this 
>>coming Saturday from noon until 2 p.m., in front of the main entrance on 
>>the 15th Street side, led by black nationalist Robert Brock.  

>Umm, but what will he be protesting? You conveniently leave this out.

Mainly the fact that the "middle passage" and other "holocausts" are not 
represented in the museum.

          Ross Vicksell


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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:

># So where did he get the nonsense about Goeth sniping at inmates 
># from his front porch, a physically impossible act?  I suppose from
># the photo of Goeth standing shirtless holding a rifle with a
># telescopic sight on it. 

>And how does Vicksell know that Goeth never shot anyone from his
>front porch? Was Vicksell at the camp? Why is the act "physically 
>impossible"?

Because wartime aerial photographs of the Plaskow camp show clearly that 
the camp was over the crest of a hill from Goeth's villa.  As I've said 
before, he'd have needed a mortar or a howitzer to knock off inmates in 
the concentration camp yard.

>Is this going to be a new thread? Is Vicksell claiming now that no
>Nazi ever shot a single innocent person during WW2? Never slapped
>anybody? Was never rude to anybody? Never forgot to say "good
>morning" to anybody? Where is "Holocaust revisionism" heading to,
>one wonders?

Actually, Goeth was jugged by the SS for being mean to Plaskow inmates 
(and also for embezzlement).  This is mentioned in the book but not the 
movie.

              Ross Vicksell


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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stara@husc7.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) writes:

>  Ross draws from others wisdom and here he's asking for help and I quote:

>"*There's a revisionist pamphlet called "Cult of Death" which deals very
>nicely with the quasi-religious aspects of the Holocaust myth.  I'm pretty
>sure Dan Gannon has it in his archive, and if so, I'll post it in the next
>couple of days.
> 
>                 Ross Vicksell*"

> Ross Ne quitte pas Dan Gannon!  It sounds to like agang trafficking their
> goods from town to another.
> Ross why don't you produce them yourself, and it will be more acceptable
> than having done by ill equiped like Dan and Rick.Can you rellay on your own
> findings or you can't trust yourself, and in turn you surrender to flase-
> hood and lies that will eventually land you with unreasonable charaters, 
> and wish then otherwise.
> A reasonable man like you ought not to trust those who have been found to 
> liars and faulted again and again.

Dan Gannon's archive is the one place that I know of where I can find
standard revisionist items available online.  The "Cult of Death" tract is
nothing Dan, Rick, or any of the other net revisionists wrote.  It's
written by a well-known revisionist using the pen name "Doubting Thomas." 
And it is a well-written piece. 

                    Ross Vicksell


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Here's the post I promised a coupleof days ago.  Read it and weep.

             Ross Vicksell

                            _______________
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                           | CULT OF DEATH |
                           /_______________\

                           by Doubting Thomas


                        A reprint from _REMARKS_



     Today, there is a pernicious attempt afoot to manipulate people's
thoughts by passing off the religious beliefs of a minority as facts, and
their legends as history.  The adjective "pernicious" is used because this
cult is looking for human sacrifices, and worse yet, IS GETTING THEM!

     The attempt of religious fanatics to impose their beliefs on others is
nothing new.  It is as old as the world itself.  If you can control the way
people think, then you can control the people.  There are, however, a
number of people who do not like being controlled, and are willing to speak
out against this heinous cult.

     This cult has shrines and saints, historians and hagiographers, holy
days and holy martyrs, legends and taboos, witches and witch hunters,
heretics and high priests; all the trappings of a religion, but it does not
call itself a religion.  It does however use religious education and
sensitivity training for the cult in schools, and especially, the
persecution of "witches" as its means of proselytizing.

     This might not seem untoward, after all we Americans do believe in
freedom of religion, EXCEPT THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS EDUCATION AND SENSITIVITY
TRAINING ARE DONE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WITH GOVERNMENT CONSENT, AND THE
PERSECUTION OF "WITCHES" IS DONE THROUGH A FEDERAL AGENCY!  NOT ONLY DO
GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES FUND RELIGIOUS EDUCATION, BUT A NUMBER OF THEIR HOLY
"SHRINES" ARE SUPPORTED WITH TAXPAYER'S MONEY!  TO ADD TO THESE OUTRAGES,
THIS CULT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING LAWS PASSED IN VARIOUS STATES TO
DEPRIVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO THOSE THAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE "HERETICS"!

     What is this cult that can manipulate Congress to pass laws against
people it deems to be "witches," or to get religious funding from taxpayer
sources?  What is this cult that is trying to destroy the basic principles
upon which this country was founded?  (The separation of church and state,
and the freedom to say and write what one thinks is so basic to our way of
life that it became the First Amendment to the Constitution.)  Who are
these people?

     First of all, these people are clever.  Like lawyers, they twist words
to mean what they want them to mean.  Religious proselytizing is done in
the name of "education"; their holy shrines are called "museums"; their
hereitcs are called "hate mongers"; and their witches are called "war
criminals."  These people are the Cult of the Holocaust, and they are
attempting to undermine the basic freedoms of the people of this country,
and those of other people throughout the world.

     These statements are not wild speculation; they are fact.  England,
Canada, France, Sweden, and Germany, among other countries, all have laws
banning criticism of the Holocaust Cult.  PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENT TO JAIL FOR
JUST SAYING THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE CULT'S VERSION OF HISTORY!  And if
you think it can't happen here, think again.

     Here in the U.S.A., a number of states have "hate" laws which single
out minorities for special protection and give stiffer penalties for those
who break these laws (all contrary to the 14th Amendment to the
Constitution guaranteeing equal protection under the laws to all citizens);
these laws are designed to curb the rising criticism of the cult.

     Some schools in various parts of the country teach "Holocaust
Studies," which give only the cult's view of history, while others have
sensitivity training where children are forced to role-play as
concentration camp victims.  Not only is the student's perception of
history distorted by these insidious practices, but the student is being
indoctrinated into this cult of death as well.

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| your neighbors, and stealing your money.  Stop it before you, or        |
| someone you love, become its victim.          --Doubting Thomas         |
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     Taxpayer's money is used to fund Holocaust Museums which are nothing
more than shrines, holy to the cult.  OVER THIRTY MILLION dollars have been
spent on the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., while "museums" like the
Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles get state aid.  The purpose of these
places is to indoctrinate people into the cult.


[Photograph captioned, "The U.S. 'Holocaust' Museum"]


     This is a cult of hatred and revenge, and its intention is nothing
less than the total domination of public opinion by furthering its
political influence to suppress dissent, all the while reaping the benefits
of the taxpayer's largess.

     In other words, they are making money by brainwashing the innocent and
persecuting guiltless people, while putting themselves into an unassailable
moral position by acting as "victims."  And they are doing it with YOUR
money!

     They are seeking an unending revenge for the "Holocaust."  The very
word "Holocaust" (with a capital "H") is an Orwellian concept used as a
propaganda tool to further the cult.  Prior to the 1970's this concept and
spelling were not found in lexicons; similarly the word and concept
"genocide" were not to be found prior to the 1940's.  "Genocide," the
earlier cult word of choice, was largely abandoned as the key term, and
"Holocaust" was adopted.

     The term was specifically coined to give coherence to a series of
loosely associated ideas dealing with certain events (now hotly debated by
historians) that are alleged to have occurred during World War II,
purporting a deliberate policy of racial extermination against the Jewish
people by the National Socialist government of Germany.  The term Holocaust
is a very new and very broad term.  Unlike the previous cult word
"genocide," it is ill-defined, and purposely so.  Specific inquiries as to
who, how, why, where and when of the alleged extermination are not invited
by the cult, particularly the how, since many claims that have been made
are physically impossible (particularly those having to do with poison
gas).

     The word is meant to conjure up atrocious images of dead bodies, and
to protect an emotional atmosphere designed to wallow in these horrors.

     The very use of the word precludes rational discussion of the topic;
either you are a believer or you are not.  If you're not, you are IPSO
FACTO a "hate monger," "neo-Nazi," "anti-Semite," or other such epithet
used to bring into question the credibility, EVEN THE VERY SANITY, of the
non-believer.

     This is a cult of hatred.  The hatred is mainly directed against
Germans, but Ukrainians, the Baltic peoples and other Eastern Europeans are
its victims as well.  Make no mistake, THIS IS A RELIGIOUS CULT.  It has
shrines (Holocaust museums such as Yad Vashem and former concentration
camps) and saints (Holocaust "survivors"), historians (Raul Hilberg, et
al.) and hagiographers (Lawrence L. Langer, et al.), holy days (Yom
HaShoah, National Days of Remembrance) and holy martyrs (victims of the
Holocaust), holy legends (false stories about lamp shades made of human
skin or soap made from human fat, and numerous physically impossible
"survivor" stories) and holy taboos (denying that these things exist),
witches (so-called war criminals such as John Demjanjuk, Andrija Artukovic,
et al.) and witch hunters (Simon Wiesenthal, Serge & Beate Klarsfeld, et
al.), heretics (historical revisionists such as Arthur Butz, David Irving,
et al.) and high priests (Elie Wiesel, Marvin Hier et al.); all the
trappings of a religion.  YET THIS CULT IS NOT RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT IT IS!

     The most pernicious action of this cult is the persecution of elderly
men of Central and Eastern European heritage as alleged war criminals.
Representative Liz Holtzman of New York ramroded through Congress a bill
which created an Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in the Department
of Justice specifically to persecute these men through a governmental
agency.

     A rising number of men have been stripped of their U.S. citizenship,
deported to foreign countries, and made to stand trial on capital offenses
before hostile courts.

     All these proceedings take place on the flimsy evidence of so-called
"eyewitnesses," who can't remember what they had for breakfast, but can
identify a "war criminal" more than FORTY YEARS after alleged events were
supposed to have taken place!

     These persecuted men are nothing less than HUMAN SACRIFICES TO THIS
HOLOCAUST CULT!

     The parallels between the trials of alleged "war criminals" and the
witch hunts of the Middle Ages and colonial times are striking.  The very
accusation of being a witch put the accused in a position of having to
prove they were innocent, rather than the accuser proving that they were
guilty.  The witches were all accused by "eyewitnesses" who claimed that
the accused witch had intercourse with the devil, flew through the air on a
broomstick, or some other physically impossible thing.  Fear and torture
caused many "witches" to confess that they were guilty.  THOSE WHO
MAINTAINED THEIR INNOCENCE WERE THE ONES WHO WERE BURNT AT THE STAKE.

     Beware of this cult.  It is indoctrinating your children, murdering
your neighbors, and stealing your money.  Stop it before you, or someone
you love, becomes its victim.

     --Doubting Thomas

*     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *

     The article in this leaflet first appeared in the March-May 1993 issue
of _REMARKS_.  Additional copies of this leaflet are available for 8 cents
each, postpaid.  Minimum order $2 (25 leaflets).

     This leaflet may be freely reproduced as long as it is reprinted in
its entirety without any changes.

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stara@husc7.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) writes:

>  Ross kindly responded to my quest and wrote:

>"*Dan Gannon's archive is the one place that I know of where I can find
>standard revisionist items available online.  The "Cult of Death" tract is
>nothing Dan, Rick, or any of the other net revisionists wrote.  It's
>written by a well-known revisionist using the pen name "Doubting Thomas."
>And it is a well-written piece.*"
> 
>                    Ross Vicksell


>  Ross I wouldn't trust anything that has been mingled with all sorts of poison
>  and foreign elements that pollutes the mind and soul. The pen name said all
>  (Doubting Thomas) he can't be honest enough to chronicle his true identity.
> 

>==============================================================================
>  ( No memorial can ever exhibit or impart the holocaust of SIX MILLION Jews)

>                   VIGILANS.ET AUDAX.SEMPER PARATUS.
>              
>==============================================================================

The reason some revisionists use pen names is very simple.  They don't 
want to be harassed by the exterminationist gang, especially if they're 
holding down a job.  I'm less vulnerable because I'm retired.

              Ross Vicksell


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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
>>bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>>
>>
>>>From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
>>>>There'll be a demonstration at the Holocaust Museum in Washington this 
>>>>coming Saturday from noon until 2 p.m., in front of the main entrance on 
>>>>the 15th Street side, led by black nationalist Robert Brock.  
>>
>>>Umm, but what will he be protesting? You conveniently leave this out.
>>
>>Mainly the fact that the "middle passage" and other "holocausts" are not 
>>represented in the museum.

>Ok, enlighten me, what is the "middle passage"?

The passage of slave ships from Africa to the new world.

          Ross Vicksell


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Today's guest posting is from Fritz Berg.  Anticipating your question: 
"Why doesn't he do his own posts?," I am happy to report that by next
week, barring untoward difficulties, he WILL be doing his own posts. 

             Ross Vicksell
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An intense and brilliant, Prussian-blue staining is clearly visible not
just on the interior walls of the delousing chamber at Birkenau but also
on the exterior surfaces of the walls of the buildings which housed the
cyanide delousing chambers.  Faxing technology does not allow me to send
colored photographs, otherwise the issue raised by Danny Keren could be
quickly resolved. 

Two sentences from Pressac's Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers are relevant: 

... "The bluish coloring of the walls, internal and external, was not
visible at the liberation of the camp, but appeared in subsequent years,
under the influence of various physico-chemical factors which have not
been studied. The  [sic] phenomenon makes it possible now to
distinguish visually, empirically, but with absolute certainty, between
delousing gas chambers, where the phenomenon is present, and homicidal gas
chambers where it is not." 

I suggest that Keren and Pressac should have "studied" the so-called
"physio-chemical factors" as well as the "blue wall phenomenon" before
drawing any conclusions about a subject as serious as mass-murder.  Germar
Rudolf, a brilliant German chemist, formerly with the Max Planck
Institute, has studied the subject and has embraced the revisionist
position.  Ernst Gauss, also a chemist, and others have joined him--and
many more will follow.  The blue staining is still visible on the exterior
surfaces in spite of more than 45 years of weathering and the elements. 
By contrast, the allegedly homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz I or Main
Camp, whose internal walls are intact and have been protected from the
elements, totally fails to show any blue staining.  I suggest that Pressac
regards these facts as some kind of "phenomenon" because he knows they are
strong, clear, and dramatic evidence against his perverse extermination
theory.  The "blue wall phenomenon" underlines, once again, the fact that
the extermination theory is rubbish. Aerial photos are another example. 

Delousing gas chambers certainly could have used for mass-murder.  The
standard Degesch delousing chambers (10 cubic meters or 20 cubic meters)
employed rather sophisticated technology with circulation
blowers,automatic can openers,heaters, and specially-coated walls and
would have been, except for their small size, ideal for mass murder as
well as delousing.  However, except for Maidanek, a dual use has never
even been alleged.  The reception building at Auschwitz I was connected by
two open-air passageways to a separate building which contained nineteen
(19) such chambers (see Pressac-Chapter 3).  The alleged chambers for mass
murder of Jews bear only the crudest resemblance to standard Degesch
delousing chambers for keeping Jews alive.  If one is to seriously believe
the Holocaust theory, one must,in effect,believe that the murderers who
had trained in specialized schools as at Oranienburg in the use of cyanide
subsequently use superbly designed, cyanide gas chambers to keep Jews
alive while simultaneously using ordinary cellar rooms, with at most some
makeshift modifications, to kill thousands of Jews at a time.  These two
totally opposite activities supposedly occurred within only a few hundred
yards of each other.  Imagine, if you can, a typical German cyanide expert
awaking each morning and asking himself whether he was going to kill Jews
that day or save Jews or both.  Why delouse in the first place? 

As to the claim that some metal vents showed evidence of contact with
cyanide shortly after the war, I do not believe the Polish authories of
that time any more than I believe the Polish authorities of today.  Where
are these vents today?  The Polish authorities have saved shoes and
eyeglasses and hair and all kinds of junk but serious evidence got lost? 
Human hair was also supposedly analyzed at the time and supposedly showed
signs of cyanide.  No doubt a problem here was that the hair was
supposedly shaved before the Jews even entered the gas chamber--and so,
where did those traces come from if they were present at all? 

                           Friedrich Paul Berg



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It's too bad the Germans weren't invited to Normandy for the D-Day 
observances.  It would have been really neat if they had done some kind 
of battle reenactment.

What impressed me was those aging paratroop veterans parachuting down just 
like they did 50 years ago.  Shows what oldsters can do if they keep in 
shape!

             Ross Vicksell


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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
> ...
>I'd like to remind you, all of you, who attacked Ken for his
>posting, that Mr. L is living fom publishity and he is sprewing

I don't think Fred is making that much money living from publicity.

>his lies to that great, narrow minded, American audience, who do care
>much about what their idols do. 

I doubt that you'll find that many fans of Fred outside the revisionist 
ranks.

                          Ross Vicksell



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kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:

>Well, at least he is some kind of public figure, isn't he? And he's
>trying to get more support to his political ideas (as far as I can
>tell, revisionism is more politics than science).

Fred has pretty much faded into obscurity.  The last time he got any 
press mention in this country was when he was jailed in Germany at the 
end of last year. And what was he doing in Germany?  He went over to 
to talk about execution equipment, NOT revisionism, on a TV show.
He's not even going to appear at this year's IHR conference.

ME: I doubt that you'll find that many fans of Fred outside the 
revisionist ranks.

>Fortunately not. But that's where Mr. L's goal is. 

Fred's goal is to survive.  And it's tough.

>>                          Ross Vicksell




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Dear Exterminationists,

Fritz Berg, a revisionist from the NYC area, has been appearing on radio
talk shows all over the country, at the rate of about a show a week.  It
occured to me that the talkmasters would probably love to have somebody
for your side appear on the show with him.  Fritz is game and our CODOH 
irector Bradley Smith thinks it's a great idea. 

You know that none of the establishment exterminationists, e.g. the people
from the H. Museum, Simon Wiesenthal Center, or the ADL, will appear on
the same show with a revisionist.  You guys, however, are already engaged
in a discussion with our side so it should be right up your alley.  Should
make for lively show. 
     
                R.S.V.P.

                Ross Vicksell
          
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I'm a little disappointed that none of you Holocaust believers will take
me up my invitation to have you appear on a radio talk show with Fritz
Berg.  After all, you have been posting lengthy rebuttals to his arguments
here and implying that you've heard them all before.  Are you really afraid
he's saving a secret argument just to spring it on you on the show?  Or
are you just afraid period? 

Please try making a meaningful reply. Thanks.

         Ross Vicksell


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lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:


>Interestingly, there are quite a few creationists among the Holocaust
>revisionists ...

The only prominent revisionist I know of who might be a creationist is 
the editor of Christian News.

          Ross Vicksell


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Apparently Russians in German captivity fared rather better than Germans
in Russian captivity.  For example, only about 10% of the Germans captured
when Von Paulus surrendered at Stalingrad survived. 

And it should be mentioned that most of the Russians "liberated" by the 
red army wound up in Siberia.  Their crime? They had experienced life in 
the west and thus could not be counted on to fit into Soviet society any 
more. 

            Ross Vicksell



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prc@world.std.com (Peter R Cook) writes:

>	Whoever started this thread needs to read a good dictionary
>	and look up the definition of Genocide.


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"genocide" like (capital H) "Holocaust" is a postwar neologism invented 
by the exterminationists.  See James Martin's "The Man Who Invented 
Genocide", available from the IHR.

            Ross Vicksell


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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>When Vicksell is right, he's right. Many German POWs died in
>Soviet captivity, I am certainly not denying this. I think
>the total number is about a million?

>This compared to about 3 million Soviet POWs who died in Nazi
>captivity. Let's face it, even if the other side was cruel
>and ruthless, it was hard to beat the Nazis in the murder
>department. 


>-Danny Keren.

Well, from what I've been told, the Nazis didn't even come close to the 
Communists in the murder department.

And you haven't responded to my point about what happened to the Soviet POWs 
when they were repatriated.

          Ross Vicksell


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ridley@nucleus.com (Steve Ridley) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: cyanide delousing chambers.  Faxing technology does not allow me to send
>  ^^^^^^^

>I thought they used a gas called Zyklon-B?

Zyklon-B = Hydrogen Cyanide

      Ross Vicksell


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Dear alt.revisionism fans,

Fritz Berg will absent from the BB for a few days. He'll be back on Monday.

                  Ross Vicksell


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golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:

>In article <2tog4d$deg@csi0.csi.UOttawa.CA>, misrael@grdb.csi.uottawa.ca
>(Mark Israel) wrote:

>> In article <2toa8j$4o1@access2.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein  writes:
>> > In article , Ross Vicksell  writes:
>> 
>> >> "genocide" like (capital H) "Holocaust" is a postwar neologism 
>> >
>> > In my Oxford English Dictionary (the tiny print 1933 edition you get
>> > from Book-of-the-Month club), "genocide" is not found.  One need not
>> > bother to order anything from the IHR to check Ross's claim.  According
>> > to Webster's New Universal unabridged (2nd ed.) Ross is correct about the
>> > word being a neologism used to describe the Nazi extermination policy.
>> 
>>    But he is *not* correct that the word is post-War.  Merriam-Webster's
>> Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition, dates it 1944.  The word was coined
>> by Prof. Raphael Lemkin of Duke University in North Carolina.  It was used 
>> in the official indictments of Nazi criminals of 1945.  In 1948 the U.N. 
>> made genocide a crime againts international law.

>I also note that Ross's original post on this etymology (this time around,
>at least) was in response to someone pointing out that he had misused the
>word to apply to the Nazi regime's mistreatment and killing of Soviet
>POW's.

>Let's look at this sequence.

>1. Ross uses "genocide" to describe Nazi treatment of Soviet POW's -- a
>pretty clear misapplication of the word, by the dictionary definition.
Not me, Danny Keren: "The Nazi genocide of Soviet POWs."
>2. Someone points out that he has misused the word.  
Again, not me, Keren.    
>3. Ross says the word "genocide" was invented postwar, implying that the
>word was coined to refer to a specific event, presumably the Nazi's planned
>extermination of the Jews (and perhaps the Rom and other ethnic groups as
>well).
how about "presumed plan?"
>Ergo, Ross confirms that his use of the word "genocide" to describe the
>Nazi treatment of Soviet POW's was, in fact, inappropriate!

>Not to mention irrelevant, like his entire Soviet POW thread.
Keren's thread.
I was wrong about"genocide" being a post-war invention, tho.

And if the Germans were killing Russian prisoners just because they were 
Russians, why did they take so many of them into the Wehrmacht?
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mattk@netnews.usl.com (Kaufman M.E.) writes:

>Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
>: prc@world.std.com (Peter R Cook) writes:

>: >	Whoever started this thread needs to read a good dictionary
>: >	and look up the definition of Genocide.


>: "genocide" like (capital H) "Holocaust" is a postwar neologism invented 
>: by the exterminationists.  See James Martin's "The Man Who Invented 
>: Genocide", available from the IHR.

>Uhh, someone's applying a new meaning to an old word? Really?
>According to my dictionary, genocide is 'The use or a user
>of deliberate, systematic measures toward the extermination
>of a racial, political or cultural group'. Ross, your Nazi heroes
>certainly were deliberate and systematic, and clearly had a
>(perceived) "racial" group in mind. And they weren't looking to
>enhance the position of this group by their actions.

>Where has anyone found a new use for this word? I question the
>(obviously hate-minded) use of 'neologism.'
Nobody's talking about creating a NEW use for this word.  The word 
"genocide" was created, ad hoc, to mean to alleged German plan to 
exterminate the Jews of Europe.  This is the ORIGINAL use of the word.

>:             Ross Vicksell

>Tell me, Ross, are you Jim Bowery?
Tell me Matt, are you James Dean?
>Matt
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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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For the umteenth time:

Fred never misrepresented his credentials to any of his clients.

Whether or not he had a Mass. engineering license is quite irrelevant, 
because all of his clients were out-of-state.

The court found him not guilty, so why don't you birds get off his back?

After all, isn't it enough that his business has been irrevocably ruined?

              Ross Vicksell


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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> Each worker signed a pledge
              ^^^^^^    
>that contained the following commitments:

>     1. I have been instructed that under no circumstances will I
>        discuss with anyone outside of OR co-workers anything dealing
>        with the operation.
>     2. I understand the top secrecy of "any of the occurences of
>        the so-called Jewish Relocation"
>     3. I may not take any pictures.
>     4. "I promise to keep my word to the best of my ability."
>     5. I understand that after completion of my service, this oath
>        of secrecy will still apply.[38]

Hey, something in writing!  Any chance any of these signed pledges has 
turned up anywhere?

               Ross Vicksell


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misrael@grda.csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

>In article , Ross Vicksell  writes:

>> "genocide" like (capital H) "Holocaust" is a postwar neologism invented 
>> by the exterminationists.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   Oh dear, you've regressed.

>   Ross, you're a rapist and an extortionist.  After all, you do believe 
>that rape and extortion occur, don't you?

>misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel

How about "affirmers", as an antonym for"deniers", or, better still, 
"believers?"  (I like the religious ring.)

             Ross


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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
Subject: Re: Schindler's List - Deniers Wrong (Again)
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mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

>    Once again, the Holocaust deniers triumphantly produce a small fact but 
>completely miss the Big Picture ....

>In article ,
>Ross Vicksell  wrote:

>[dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)]
>>>## And how does Vicksell know that Goeth never shot anyone from his
>>>## front porch? Was Vicksell at the camp? Why is the act "physically 
>>>## impossible"?

>[codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)]
>>># Because wartime aerial photographs of the Plaskow camp show clearly that 
>>># the camp was over the crest of a hill from Goeth's villa.  As I've said 
>>># before, he'd have needed a mortar or a howitzer to knock off inmates in 
>>># the concentration camp yard.

>     Well, Ross, as someone recently said, read it and weep.

>     [Quote from pages 192-193 of Keneally, Thomas: "Schindler's List" 
>Simon and Schuster, New York, 1982]

>          The first morning Commandant Goeth stepped out his front door 
>     and murdered a prisoner at random, there was a tendency to see 
>     *this* also, like the first execution on Chujowa Go'rka, as a 
>     unique event, discrete from what would become the customary life of 
>     the camp.  In fact, of course, the killings on the hill would soon 
>     prove to be habitual, and so would Amon's morning routine. 
>          Wearing a shirt and riding breeches and boots on which his 
>     orderly had put a high shine, he would emerge on the steps of his 
>     temporary villa.  (They were renovating a better place for him down
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     at the other end of the camp perimiter.)  As the season wore on he 
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     would appear without his shirt, for he loved the sun.  But for the 
>     moment he stood in the clothes in which he had eaten breakfast, a 
>     pair of binoculars in one hand and a sniper's rifle in the other.  
>     He would scan the camp area, the work at the quarry, the prisoners 
>     pushing or hauling the quarry trucks on the rails which passed by 
>     his door.  Those glancing up could see the smoke from the cigarette 
>     which he held clamped between his lips, the way a man smokes 
>     without hands when he is too busy to put down the tools of his 
>     trade.  Within the first few days of the camp's life he appeared 
>     thus at his front door and shot a prisoner who did not seem to be 
>     pushing hard enough at a cart loaded with limestone.  No one knew 
>     Amon's precise reason for settling on that prisoner - Amon 
>     certainly did not have to document his motives.  With one blast 
>     form the doorstep, the man was plucked from the group of pushing 
>     and pulling captives and hurled sideways in the road.  The others 
>     stopped pushing, of course, their muscles frozen in expectation of 
>     a general slaughter.  But Amon waved them on, frowning, as if to 
>     say that he was please for the moment with the standard of work 
>     that he was getting from them.

>     [end quote]

>     I find it absolutely amazing that the deniers can dig up aerial
>photos of the camp with Goeth's house as it was at the end, yet not look
>in the most obvious place - the book on which the movie was based! - to
>find out what was going on.  The apparent contradiction is resolved.  But
>did it really never occur to them that Goeth may not have lived in the
>same house from start to finish?  Or that they could easily have resolved
>this themselves by checking Keneally's book? 

>     Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  I'm still waiting for 
>the deniers to hit that minimal standard.  With or without a howitzer.

>     Well, Ross?  Any explanation of how Wikoff, Zundel and all those
>other top-notch Holocaust scholars in the revisionist camp managed to miss
>such an obvious point, which could have been found with what I strongly
>suspect would have been far less effort than that necessary to find those
>aerial photos? 

I feel somewhat embarrassed (chagrined?) that apparently none of our 
people, myself included, caught this.  When I read that passage in the 
book the bit about the temporary quarters somehow didn't register.

Nevertheless. I forwarded your post to Ernst Zuendel and Jack Wikoff.  
Ernst has already sent me his response and Jack promised he'd send me his 
manana.  I'll post them then.

                Ross Vicksell


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lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:

>In article , codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes...
>>lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>>>Interestingly, there are quite a few creationists among the Holocaust
>>>revisionists ...
>> 
>>The only prominent revisionist I know of who might be a creationist is 
>>the editor of Christian News.

>He's one I had in mind, yes.  But there has also been at least one creationist
>presentation at an IHR conference which was very positively received by the
>audience.

Who was that?  And what constitutes being "very positively received" - 
polite applause?

I heard it rumored that Michael Shermer's been invited to the next confab,
on Labor Day weekend. If this is true, and if he does show, he risks
getting something less than polite applause, plus the loss of his teaching
position. My guess is he won't be there. 

           Ross Vicksell


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kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>In article  codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
>>"genocide" like (capital H) "Holocaust" is a postwar neologism invented 
>>by the exterminationists.  See James Martin's "The Man Who Invented 
>>Genocide", available from the IHR.

>Really, Ross, you ought to compare notes with Dan Gannon. According
>to him, the Jews invented the term back after WWII... neither of
>you, it is plain, are correct. As the following demonstrates, the
>term dates from at least the twelth century... amazing how it
>could have "invented" it after WWII!

The relevant part of the OED entry you posted is the following:

>    d . the Holocaust : the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazis in the
>war of 1939-1945. Also used transf. , of the similar fate of other groups;
>and attrib. 
>    The specific application was introduced by historians during the
>1950s, probably as an equivalent to Heb. h&dotbl.urban and shoah
>`catastrophe' (used in the same sense); but it had been foreshadowed by
>contemporary references to the Nazi atrocities as a `holocaust' (sense 2 c
>): see quots. 1942-49 .

Yes,  H(h)olocausts go way back, but they're always "a (an) 
H(h)olocaust", not THE Holocaust.

Remember how the D.A. in "Miracle on Thirty Fourth Street conceded 
that Kris Kringle was "a Santa Claus", but demanded that John Payne 
produce proof that Kris was the "one and only" Santa Claus.

A-type Santa Clauses are a dime-a-dozen; every big department store has 
one. Similarly, there have been many a-type holocausts.
However, just as there's only one genuine Santa Claus, the one who lives at 
the North Pole, there is only one the-type Holocaust.

>(Perhaps after you finish explaining your failure to do some basic
>research relating to the movie Shindler's List, you can explain your
>general lack of English origins...)

I just posted  a "Shindler's" list apology of sorts.

As for my "general lack of English origins", I must confess I'm Swedish 
on my father's side and Czech on my mother's.

                 Ross Vicksell

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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>>After all, isn't it enough that his business has been irrevocably ruined?
>>
>>              Ross Vicksell

>It never ceases to amaze me when holocaust-deniers and their nazi ilk
>who willfully spread hate and lies of the lowest kind start asking for
>understanding and compassion. As I've said before, if you wish to
>better understand the compassion for your views let me suggest getting
>some good photo-essays of Berlin in late Spring of 1945...anything
>less *is* understanding and compassion stretched to its limit.

Give me a hint as to what you're talking about.

Are they pictures of the utter devastation wrought by British bombers and
Soviet artillery? 

Or maybe did the Russians take pictures their mass-rape orgies?

            Ross Vicksell

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I won't get Jack Wikoff's Schindler's List material until Monday, so I'll 
post both his and Ernst Zuendel's stuff then.

        Ross Vicksell


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misrael@grdb.csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

> Rick Savage writes:
>> A savings to America, Germany and other countries of multi-billions of
>> dollars of guilt money every year

>   Germany has been generous, yes. 

Germany was FORCED, in 1953, to start paying "reparations" to Israel, as 
a precondition for permission to form the Bonn government.  The idea was 
cooked up by Zionist Nahum Goldmann, who sold the western allies on the 
idea.

> U.S. aid to Israel has largely been
>for strategic regions (because Arab countries were client states of the
>U.S.S.R., etc.) -- not much to do with guilt.

nor much to do with the Israel lobby either, I suppose.

At the end of the war the Arab states were friendly with the U.S.  Only 
our continued irrational support of Israel drove them into the Russian 
camp.

>> to the illegitamate state of "Israeli".

>Which do you prefer, a "legitimate" state or a democratic state?

Hey, where have have I heard that one before? "Brave Little Israel, the
only democracy in the Middle East." Look at all those Arabs in the
Knesset. 
             Ross Vicksell

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bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>>>>After all, isn't it enough that his business has been irrevocably ruined?
>>>>
>>>>              Ross Vicksell
>>
>>>It never ceases to amaze me when holocaust-deniers and their nazi ilk
>>>who willfully spread hate and lies of the lowest kind start asking for
>>>understanding and compassion. As I've said before, if you wish to
>>>better understand the compassion for your views let me suggest getting
>>>some good photo-essays of Berlin in late Spring of 1945...anything
>>>less *is* understanding and compassion stretched to its limit.
>>
>>Give me a hint as to what you're talking about.
>>
>>Are they pictures of the utter devastation wrought by British bombers and
>>Soviet artillery? 
>>
>>Or maybe did the Russians take pictures their mass-rape orgies?
>>
>>            Ross Vicksell

>Whatever it takes to convince y'all that you're being treated more
>than civilly.

>But remember that I don't believe for one second that the holocaust
>deniers even believe themselves that they have a legitimate point of
>view. I know y'all are just out to rehabilitate Nazism and will lie
>and twist to achieve that goal, preying on the naive, etc.

>Even you'll sit there trying to be very civilized and "rational"
>because you think it'll work better.

>But you know what Ross? Fuck you, fuck y'all. We know what you're up
>to, and it has nothing to do with civilization. Talk about wolf in
>sheep's clothing...

>So just keep whispering to each other ``just a bunch of fucking kikes,
>keep your calm, we'll get them later'' and convincing each other that
>you're being clever. You're not being clever. You're not fooling
>anyone.

>Any semblance of civility is only a measure of your own
>inconsequentiality.

>-- 
>        -Barry Shein

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Jack Wikoff has emailed me the stuff I promised you. Here it is.  It
consists of two parts: 1. A follow to the thread started by Mike Stein,
and 2. An review of the movie "Schindler's List" from Jack's magazine
"Remarks." There's some overlap in subject matter between the two parts.

                Ross Vicksell
________________________________________________________________

                     1. FOLLOW

     The following is a guest posting from Revisionist publisher
Jack Wikoff, editor of REMARKS, Commentary on Current Events and
History, PO Box 234, Aurora, NY 13026:

     Recent postings by Ross Vicksell, Danny Keren, and Mike Stein
have debated whether it was "physically impossible" for Commandant
Amon Goeth to have murdered inmates with a sniper rifle from his
villa balcony, as depicted in the Academy Award winning film
"Schindler's List."

     Ross Vicksell has claimed that:

>wartime aerial photographs of the Plaszow camp show clearly that
the camp was over the crest of a hill from Goeth's villa.  As I've
said before, he'd have needed a mortar or a howitzer to knock off
inmates in the concentration camp yard.

     Mike Stein retorted with a claim, based on a passage in the
novel "Schindler's List", that Goeth had done the shooting of
inmates from his "temporary villa" while "They were renovating a
better place for him down at the other end of the camp perimeter."

     I have several points to make concerning the dubious
historicity of both the film and novel of "Schindler's List."

     1)  Goeth could not have shot inmates from the balcony of his
villa as depicted in the film "Schindler's List."  The position of
Goeth's villa is clearly marked in a map of the Plaszow camp which
was presented at the 1946 trial of Goeth in Kracow.  This map is
reproduced in , (Trial of Amon L.
Goeth) Poland, 1947.  Aerial photographic expert John Ball, author
of , has in recent months uncovered aerial
photographs of the Plaszow taken in May and October of 1944.  These
stereoscopic photographs prove that Goeth could not see the inmate
sections of the Plaszow camp from his villa balcony. 

     2)  Although the claim has been made by Mike Stein that a
"temporary villa" was actually the place from where Goeth was
shooting, this has not been proven nor has any evidence been
presented to prove this assertion beyond one sentence in the novel
"Schindler's List."  I repeat - a NOVEL.  The first Touchstone
edition (paperback) of the novel "Schindler's List," which I
purchased in March 1994, contains the following: "This book is a
work of fiction.  Names, characters, places, and incidents are
either products of the author's imagination or are used
fictitiously.  Any resemblance to actual events or locales or
persons, living or dead, is entire coincidental."  
     This passage was removed from the second and third printings
of the Touchstone edition!  Obviously the publishers feel the need
to obscure the fact that Keneally's "Schindler's List" is anything
but history.
     Thomas Keneally's novel is not documentary proof of anything. 
Why don't you "holocaust" cultists come up with some real primary
sources concerned the alleged crimes of Commandant Amon Goeth?  For
instance, why don't you quote from the transcript of Goeth's trial? 
When are you going to do your homework?

     3)  The burden of proof is upon the accuser.  If we are to
accept that Goeth really did shoot down inmates for fun or just
because his bathtub was not cleaned well enough, then the
"holocaust" cultists have to prove it.  
     Please show us on the map where the "temporary villa" was
located.  
     Describe at least one person who was shot by Goeth and the
date when it happened.

     4)  Spielberg's movie "Schindler's List" demonstrates how
history is perverted by so-called "docu-drama."  Just because the
gullible public accepts what they see on the screen does not mean
that it happened the way schlockmeister Spielberg presents it or
that it happened at all.  Spielberg presented the permanent villa
as being the site of the shootings, and Spielberg is wrong.  He
deliberately reconstructed the camp incorrectly in many, many ways. 
Spielberg was only interested in emotional, propagandistic impact. 
He distorts and perverts history.
     Another example of Spielberg's distortion is the scene where
the little boy drops into a latrine full of excrement and urine. 
The "Schindler Jew", who allegedly experienced this humiliation is
Zev Kedem, 66, a real estate developer in Cameron Park, California.
     In an article in the "Jewish Bulletin of Northern California"
for April 1, 1994, Mr. Kedem claims that he was the boy depicted in
the latrine scene.  Nevertheless, Kedem is quoted in the "Jewish
Bulletin" as saying: "my fame comes from jumping into the latrine,
into a vat of s---.  But the truth is that I hid in a hospital, not
in the latrine."
     So here we have yet another self-admitted example of a
"holocaust survivor" lying to make his story more dramatic and
appealing to the tender heartstrings of the gullible Goyim.
     In spite of Kedem's admission that this story is false, we
will undoubtedly soon see scores of "survivors" claiming that they
too jumped in vats of s--- to escape the Nazis.  They will
undoubtedly form an organization named "Children of the Latrines"
and hold annual gatherings in Miami Beach and Tel Aviv and trade
"holocaust" stories.  The Yad Vashem museum will undoubtedly plant
a grove of trees to honor the "Children of the Latrines" and
another "holocaust" legend will have been canonized.

     Well, Mike Stein, it has been your turn to read it and weep!
____________________________________________________________________
                   2. REVIEW

     In closing, let me leave you people with the text of my review
of the film "Schindler's List."

A review of the film "Schindler's List"
by Jack Wikoff

     The year 1993 saw the unveiling of two grandiose monuments to
the "holocaust" story.  The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum opened
on April 22 and on December 15 Steven Spielberg's film "Schindler's
List" premiered in major cities.  Hundreds of millions of dollars
were spent to create these milestones of anti-German hate propagan-
da. 
     "Schindler's List" is designed for the masses and is intended
to indelibly imprint people's minds with singular, emotionally
horrible images of cruelty to Jews.
     Although "Schindler's List" was shot in black and white,
giving it the look of documentary footage, the film has very little
to do with reality.  The average individual will view this "docu-
drama" uncritically, believing that, after all, "it is based on
real events."  Nevertheless, if "Schindler's List" is viewed with
a critical eye, the film reveals itself to be based on little else
but Spielberg's sado-masochistic imagination.
     The historical background to the events in "Schindler's List"
is as follows:  In September of 1939, the German army invades
Poland and defeats the Polish army in two weeks.  Jews are ordered
to move into segregated areas in the large cities.  The action in
"Schindler's List" takes place in and around the Polish city of
Cracow.  The final deadline for all Jews to be in the ghettos is
March of 1941 - one and a half years after the German occupation.
     Oscar Schindler comes to Poland from the Sudetenland (the
German-speaking area of what used to be Czechoslovakia) to wheel
and deal and takes over a pots and pans factory.  A member of the
Nazi party, he bribes his way into favor with the German big wigs. 
He hires Jewish labor for his factory and begins to manufacture
mess kits and other metal-fabricated items.  The Jews who work for
Schindler are allowed each day to leave the ghetto to walk to
Schindler's factory and then to return in the evening.
     Schindler is portrayed as an amoral war-profiteer who exploits
the Jewish community.  The factory he takes over was confiscated
from Jews.  The money to get his enterprise going comes from the
Jewish elders.  The business is actually run by his Jewish
bookkeeper Itzhak Stern, who uses his position to provide
protection to Jews who would otherwise be deported.
     In March of 1943 the ghetto in Cracow is emptied of all Jews,
who are either sent to labor camps or are expelled to the east into
territories taken from the Soviets. (Of course, in the context of
Spielberg's epic, all Jews who are shipped to Auschwitz are on
their way to certain extermination.)  The Jews from the former
Cracow ghetto who are involved in vital industries for the war
effort, are resettled in the Plaszow labor camp, overseen by
Commandant Amon Goeth.  The workers from Schindler's factory are
moved from the ghetto to the labor camp.
     In late 1944, with the Soviet armies approaching, Schindler's
factory is moved west to the Sudetenland along with 1200 Jews who
are working in Schindler's factory, which is now producing
artillery shell casings, parts for bazookas, and other armaments. 
When the war ends in May of 1945, Schindler and his wife flee, and
the Jews are free, having spent the war as employees of a German
manufacturer.
     The actual background regarding the Schindler Jews'
experiences during World War II is the story of people surviving
the best they could during a very difficult and dangerous time. 
People were doing this all over Europe, on both sides of the con-
flict.  Spielberg would have us believe that only Jews suffered the
deprivations of war.  
     "Schindler's List" is an expensively produced soap opera.  The
only categories of characters are the evil Germans and the saintly,
all-suffering Jews.  The Germans are all scum - the Jews are all
noble, beautiful, calm, stoic, and motivated by the highest
emotions of love for their children, family and race.  The Germans
are always eating, drinking, laughing and chasing women.  The Jews
are never seen to eat, drink, laugh or make love.  All the pitiful
Jews do is suffer and try to survive.
     The historical facts that Spielberg leaves out are revealing. 
There is no mention of the German struggle with Soviet armies,
partisan fighters, spies, sabotage, epidemics or any of the other
horrors of war.  The Jews are portrayed as dealing in all sorts of
black market luxury items, but never in guns, explosives, cameras
or radios.  There are virtually no Polish characters, although
contact between Poles and Jews was actually very common.  Polish
civilian workers and contractors were frequently at the labor and
concentration camps.  Spielberg also ignores the history of an era
when leftist Jews and Poles were collaborating to sabotage the
German war effort.  The action in "Schindler's List" takes place in
a kind of Nazi Never-Never-Land with no relation to reality except
in terms of a "holocaust" morality play.
     Many of the Jewish characters in "Schindler's List" were
portrayed by non-Jewish actors.  If the Jewish characters had
looked "too Jewish" audiences might not sympathize as strongly with
them.  A December 23, 1993 Newsday article, "The 'Jewish' Extras of
'Schindler's List'," revealed that most extras were not Jews, but
Catholic Poles from Cracow.
     The only victims in "Schindler's List" are Jews.  As soon as
Commandant Goeth comes into the picture, gratuitous violence
against individual Jews begins.  An old man on a snow-shoveling
detail is shot just because he has one arm.  A Jewish woman, a
professionally-trained construction engineer, is shot in cold blood
over some trivial dispute.  The SS kills skilled workers out of
blind hatred and sadism even though these actions hamper the German
war effort.  A boy is shot because he fails to get the stains out
of the Commandant's bath tub.  Jews are often executed at close
range with a shot to the back of the head, blood spurts out, heads
seem to explode.  The special effects are very graphic.  The
Commandant takes pot shots with a sniper rifle from the balcony of
his villa at Jews who aren't working fast enough.  This sadistic
killing escalates in intensity and culminates in an orgy of
bloodshed in Spielberg's fanciful depiction of the liquidation of
the Cracow ghetto.
     Much of "Schindler's List" links sexuality and violence in a
very graphic manner, turning the viewer into a voyeuristic witness
of smutty, depraved acts.  One scene is especially sado-
masochistic.  The Commandant lusts after his Jewish maid (played by
a beautiful actress who does not look Jewish).  Goeth beats her
because he is emotionally torn apart by his love/hate for this
Jewish woman.  
     The violence is deliberately portrayed as making no sense. 
The horror is irrational.  In Spielberg's view of "history", the
"holocaust" is incomprehensible.  If it is impossible to understand
the "holocaust" then there is no need or motive to determine the
difference between fact and fiction.
     The movie version of Oscar Schindler finally becomes sickened
by the cruelty and violence against Jews that he witnesses.  He
begins to take active steps toward saving Jews.  At the end of the
film he uses all his accumulated wealth to "buy" the lives of the
Jews working in his factory.  
     As portrayed by Spielberg, Oscar Schindler has no redeeming
qualities, except that he saves Jews.  By this action he becomes a
"righteous gentile."  Without this act of redemption, he is nothing
but another evil German, a goy with no humanity or moral value. 
After Schindler's transformation into a "good" Jew-loving human
being, he stops drinking and chasing women.  He goes back to his
wife, becomes a good husband and even goes to church!
     This view of "bad" versus "good" Germans is the central
premise of "Schindler's List."  How one relates to the Jews is all
that matters.  The Jewish people are the pivot for all important
events that take place on earth.   
     The film of "Schindler's List" is based on a 1982 novel by
Thomas Keneally which has been reprinted and is being distributed
at the same time as the film.  Inside the novel, on the back of the
cover page, is the following paragraph which shows how the
distinction between fact and fiction has been blurred:
     This book is a work of fiction.  Names, characters,
     places, and incidents are either products of the author's
     imagination or are used fictitiously.  Any resemblance to
     actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is
     entirely coincidental.
     Throughout the novel are photographs printed in faint grey
half-tones.  There is no indication in the novel of the source of
these photographs or even if they are actual photos from WW II.  It
was only in the December 15, 1993 New York Times review of the film
that this researcher found out that many of the photographs in the
novel were taken in the Plaszow labor camp by Raimund Titsch, an
Austrian Catholic who ran a uniform factory.  Needless to say, not
one of the photographs shows anything horrible happening.  If the
promoters of "Schindler's List" wanted the world to know what
really went on in the Plaszow camp, an annotated edition of these
photographs would be published.
     Certain elements of the plot in Spielberg's movie are quite
implausible.  The move of Schindler's factory westward to the
Sudetenland is portrayed as happening solely as a desperate move by
Schindler to save "his" Jews.  Actually, moving an entire factory
in wartime could only have happened if the German authorities
thought it was needed for the war effort.  The metal presses and
other manufacturing equipment weighed tons and rail transport would
only have been available for absolutely essential enterprises.
     In another scene Schindler is represented as deliberately
making useless shell casings after the factory has switched to
producing munitions.  In Spielberg's vision, Schindler and the Jews
could not have done anything at all which would have contributed to
the war effort of the Germans.  Of course, in reality, if Schindler
had manufactured faulty munitions, he would have been hung as a
saboteur.
     In one key scene, Spielberg seems to be backing away from the
gas chamber story.  The women in Schindler's work force are
mistakenly shipped to Auschwitz and Schindler goes there to save
them.  These women are herded into a room marked "bath and
disinfection."  The women think they are going to be gassed and
begin to panic, but then only water comes out of the shower heads.
     This shower scene in "Schindler's List" has engendered an
absurdly delightful bit of remarkable nonsense about the
"holocaust."  The February 13, 1994 New York Times reports that
upon seeing the film, numerous elderly "Schindler Jews" have
claimed to see themselves on the screen.  According to the Times
"Mrs. [Edith] Wertheim saw herself in a shower at Auschwitz, where
the pipes miraculously spouted water rather than Zyklon B."
     The only scene representing a gassing is simply a shot of a
group of people walking down some stairs.  A flaming chimney towers
above them.  This scene is so underplayed, that many viewers may
not understand that these people are supposedly on their way to be
gassed.  Some Jews have even complained of the lack of gassings in
"Schindler's List."  A letter in the January 28, 1994 Jewish Advo-
cate, entitled "A Seriously Flawed Movie," contained the following:
          Patrick Buchanan and his ilk can now use this
     highly-regarded movie as evidence for their claim that
     while there might have been isolated Nazi murders of Jews
     - such as the film shows - there were no mass murders in
     gas chambers resembling those anticipated earlier in the
     movie...
          It is unfortunate that this graphic 3-hour movie,
     possibly the only film about the Holocaust that a mass
     audience may see, did not include an approximately 3-
     second scene showing victims being led into the "showers"
     and being removed as dead bodies.
     Another aspect of the film also undermines commonly held ideas
about the "holocaust" story.  Maybe things weren't as bad for
Schindler's Jews as Spielberg would have us believe.  Quite a
number of Schindler's Jews, including children and the elderly,
survived six years of war as intact family groups.  Obviously
children and old people were not essential to the war effort, so
why did the Nazis let these people live in the labor camp and
survive?
     This contradiction is especially apparent in one scene where
Spielberg depicts children in the Plaszow camp being forcibly taken
away from their parents.  The only children who allegedly survive
are those who run off and hide somewhere in the camp.  One child
tries hiding place after hiding place only to find other children
hiding in each spot.  There is no room for him.  Finally the boy in
desperation climbs through the toilet seat of an outhouse and drops
into chest-deep excrement and urine, only to find there are already
several children hiding down there.  The other children say "Go
away, this is our place."
     Obviously, these children could not have remained hidden for
long in the camp if the SS really wanted to deport them to the gas
chambers.  The truth is that the Jews survived because the Germans
wanted them to survive.  There was no attempt to exterminate the
Jews.
     Jews watching this film must feel extremely mixed emotions. 
Identifying with children up to their necks in excrement is a not
a mentally healthy perspective.  Abuse of children is a key part of
Spielberg's vision of Jewish experience and this film perpetuates
the stereotype of the helpless, passive Jew.  Do normal people
repeatedly witness the violent deaths of one's family and do
nothing?  Wouldn't a healthy person, knowing he or she had nothing
to lose, pick up a shovel or pipe and kill just one Nazi?  What
does it matter if everyone is going to be gassed anyway?
     Jews are becoming aware of just how psychologically
destructive the "holocaust" story is to Jewish people.  The January
2, 1994 L.A. Times contained an essay by Rabbi Eli Hecht entitled
"When Will Jews Let it Rest?"  Hecht writes:
          I am sick and tired of this generation identifying
     Judaism with suffering.  Why is it imperative for our
     children and young people to visit Holocaust museums? 
     Why do they need to hear lectures about skinheads and
     neo-Nazis and growing anti-Semitism?  Why should they see
     every film about the Holocaust, always portraying Jews as
     victims running for their lives?...
          These movies, museums and displays only cause more
     pain.  There is no enlightenment to be gained from seeing
     Jews as victims over and over again.  If anything, it
     gives Jewish young adults further reason to think they
     should assimilate.  "Why be Jewish?" they ask after
     viewing such material.
          At the end of the film Schindler breaks down sobbing and
crying that if he had not lived so extravagantly he would have had
more money to save Jews.  He takes off his Nazi party pin and says
he could have saved one or two Jewish lives with the gold in that
pin.
     Undoubtedly Steven Spielberg and other "holocaust" hucksters
would like all of us goyim to feel guilty for not doing enough for
the Jews.  But you can't fool all the people all the time.  Some of
us are not falling for the sick fantasy world of "Schindler's
List." ~

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